Speaker 1: So yesterday Jeffrey said that in explaining the power restructure,
Speaker 1: he wanted to support your vision. He felt that obviously
Speaker 1: you needed you needed a guy you were comfortable with,
Speaker 1: you hired it. Why is Ed more a better fit
Speaker 1: for your than what Howe was builable? Why are you
Speaker 1: more comfortable with it? I think we just try to
Speaker 1: maximize everybody's strikes and how he does an unbelievable job
Speaker 1: from the contract side and capside, and we're just moving
Speaker 1: into different directions from the personnel stand point. But you
Speaker 1: were he did not do an unbelievable job on the
Speaker 1: personnel side. As far as what now, I just think
Speaker 1: we're trying. It's the same thing with our staff. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you shuffle those guys around. We're just trying to find
Speaker 1: a put everybody in the right position. Would you think
Speaker 1: of values counted out of there? I thought it was
Speaker 1: good two years with team and whether he was even
Speaker 1: kind of getting jeff who marked out previous team with
Speaker 1: blue and maybe with more skied guys, and now he's
Speaker 1: Drac to get different blues guy. He kind of getting
Speaker 1: you old players and felt now I think some of
Speaker 1: that it depends on what players are available. You know
Speaker 1: it doesn't You know, you can all evaluate and say
Speaker 1: that whoever the top pick of the draft was, that
Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins really talented, But you don't have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to get Sammy Watkins. So a lot of it also
Speaker 1: depends on where you have an opportunity to make selections.
Speaker 1: So it's easy to look at it and say, I mean,
Speaker 1: I said it a year ago, I thought Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: was the best player in the draft. I was right.
Speaker 1: We didn't have a chance to get at Odell Beckham.
Speaker 1: But you know that a lot of it depends on
Speaker 1: where you're selecting. So have you felt that in a
Speaker 1: few years because you didn't have finals, say that if
Speaker 1: you had a feeling on a certain guy you didn't
Speaker 1: always get you weren't able to get that guy even
Speaker 1: if he was available. Yeah, I mean I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't have the final say so, I mean you always
Speaker 1: defer to losing charges. I mean, was that trub Was
Speaker 1: that disappointing for you? Wasn't? No? Those are the those
Speaker 1: those are the rules going in. So did you try
Speaker 1: to get those rules changed over earlier? No? Why no,
Speaker 1: that's not the way I operate. We have a meaning
Speaker 1: at the end of the year every year with mister
Speaker 1: Lori and I. He gets my views on things, I
Speaker 1: get his view on things, and then he ultimately makes
Speaker 1: the decisions on what he wants to do moving forward.
Speaker 1: When you said ship, when you said you wanted to
Speaker 1: maximize everybody's strengths if you didn't know your new guy was,
Speaker 1: so how did you know you didn't you strands? That wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't go in with a plan saying we need
Speaker 1: to make all these maneuvers. I just said, this is
Speaker 1: how I think my vision is of how this organization
Speaker 1: should be. But it's mister Lorrie's decision on what he
Speaker 1: wants to do. If he came back and said, I
Speaker 1: want to do this, this, and this, and I want
Speaker 1: you to just concentrate on that, then that's what I
Speaker 1: would have done. So why wasn't Tom Gamble who you
Speaker 1: brought in a string? I didn't bring Tom Gamble in.
Speaker 1: How we brought Tom Gamble in, so he and he wasn't.
Speaker 1: How he was in charge of the personnel department for
Speaker 1: the last two years, so I didn't. I've never made
Speaker 1: a hire in the personnel department or a fire in
Speaker 1: the personnel I wasn't involved in that, You had input, Joe, right, No,
Speaker 1: I have no input. I had no input in who
Speaker 1: was hired or fired in the personnel department, Nor do
Speaker 1: I have it now. Ed's in charge of personnel. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've maximized everybody. So if it's something were to go
Speaker 1: on in personnel now, then that's that's under Ed's domain.
Speaker 1: That's what I hired him to do. It's no different
Speaker 1: than I hired Billy Davis to run our defense. I
Speaker 1: don't turn around and ask someone else, you know, what
Speaker 1: do you think about what Billy's doing defensively? Our defensive
Speaker 1: coaches of a certain role, our offensive coaches of a
Speaker 1: certain role, our personnel department as a certain role. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a big misconception. I never
Speaker 1: hired Tim againble. I was never in a position to
Speaker 1: hire a Tim again. About that made you think that
Speaker 1: he would brave? You know? It was an interesting process
Speaker 1: for me. I went out for probably three weeks and
Speaker 1: visited with a lot of people, talked to a lot
Speaker 1: of people, and um Ed was the one guy in
Speaker 1: house that I really wanted to talk to, and I
Speaker 1: actually interviewed him last you know too, we had never
Speaker 1: really sat down. I was impressed with his work ethic
Speaker 1: and pressed with his knowledge, you know, just sitting in
Speaker 1: draft meetings, sitting in free agent meetings, just listen to
Speaker 1: him talk, listen to him to described players, and was
Speaker 1: always like, Hey, that guy's really sharp. And then he
Speaker 1: was the last guy I interviewed, and then the last guy,
Speaker 1: mister Lorry interviewed, so you know, kind of came away.
Speaker 1: I think he blew both of us away. It was like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, this guy's extremely organized, extremely detailed, has a
Speaker 1: real good vision of what we're trying to get accomplished.
Speaker 1: And I thought he was outstanding. You made two major trades.
Speaker 1: Are you physically on the phone and working these deals
Speaker 1: in theogotiating those two trades? Well, sometimes it was a
Speaker 1: speaker phone, So but I mean, what's that like, First
Speaker 1: time you know, actually on the phone deals, first time
Speaker 1: on the phone talking to a person, it was you know,
Speaker 1: it was scary. I did not operate the phone itself.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just how it's normally, how you do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have conversations all the time, and it's
Speaker 1: not I don't think it's I mean the biggest thing,
Speaker 1: it's like these league meetings, like, don't peek behind the
Speaker 1: curtain because it's not what you think it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: just having a conversation. Who do you have? What do
Speaker 1: you have? What do you want to do? Can you
Speaker 1: accept somebody from your cap standpoint? You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of decisions are made, most of the decisions from a
Speaker 1: trade standpoint. Are those decisions is you'd like to acquire
Speaker 1: a ton of players, but you can't fit them in
Speaker 1: under your cap, you know, so it really kind of
Speaker 1: limits which teams you're dealing with, how you're dealing with them,
Speaker 1: and then what they're trying to give back. Some of
Speaker 1: them don't have draft picks. You'd like to get draft picks,
Speaker 1: but they may not have draft picks. So now take
Speaker 1: a look at your roster. Who do you like on
Speaker 1: the roster? Since we talked to you last, have you
Speaker 1: received any more phone calls about Sam Bradford? I know
Speaker 1: you said other teams we're interested. No, Given the fact
Speaker 1: that thank you and d don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: experience in your current roles, are you leaning on on
Speaker 1: other people or whether it's trade evaluations, whether it's the
Speaker 1: upcoming draft. People that are more active, No, safety what's
Speaker 1: the planet next to Malcolm gen is that spot that
Speaker 1: Nat and occupied? Mils? Well, that's we'll go through OTAs,
Speaker 1: we go through the draft, we'll go through preseason camp
Speaker 1: and then figure that out internal off Yeah, that's well,
Speaker 1: we'll take a look at that. I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: this process is all about. The offseason. You get a
Speaker 1: chance to see guys on the field. What's are alike
Speaker 1: in year three. I mean there's guys on and on
Speaker 1: our team right now that can certainly play that role,
Speaker 1: but it depends on where they are when you get
Speaker 1: a chance to see him through OTAs, through mini camp,
Speaker 1: through preseason camps, the process of what's going to happen
Speaker 1: next and the next couple of months. Sam Brad, we
Speaker 1: didn't get him back on the football field functioning as
Speaker 1: cool as that. You know, well, he's back. I mean
Speaker 1: he when we got him on a Wednesday, he was
Speaker 1: there the following Sunday. So he's been with our training
Speaker 1: staff every day rehabbing, and then uh, we get a
Speaker 1: chance to finally meet with him on April twentieth, which
Speaker 1: is the first day of Phase one, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it's, uh, the normal process it is for anybody
Speaker 1: on our our team, whether it's Uh. Sam's obviously new,
Speaker 1: but it's no different than what Demiko Ryan's is going
Speaker 1: through right now. So, UM, it's pretty detailed. I mean
Speaker 1: it's just straightforward. Phase one, you can talk to him,
Speaker 1: but you can't be on the field with him. Phase
Speaker 1: two you get to go on the field with him,
Speaker 1: but there's no defense across from him. Phase three is
Speaker 1: the beginning of ootas in minicamp, and we'll go from that.
Speaker 1: What do you hope to see for him physically? Um,
Speaker 1: it sounds like he's on target to be fully recovered.
Speaker 1: I just don't know exactly what day he'll be clear
Speaker 1: to be a one hundred percent, but I know he's
Speaker 1: running and uh moving around right now. I don't we're
Speaker 1: not allowed to be be there when any of that
Speaker 1: stuff's going on, so I couldn't tell you what he
Speaker 1: looks like movement wise or anything like that. I don't
Speaker 1: know that exactly. No, I don't. He should be ready
Speaker 1: to go UM because his was UH was done earlier
Speaker 1: than Sam. So I think sometime during OTAs will be
Speaker 1: able to see Kiko moving around a little bit A
Speaker 1: lot of most of the now, all our quarterbacks take
Speaker 1: reps in the off season, So we don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: We never care in an ota if if G. J.
Speaker 1: Kenny or Mark or or matter in there that you know,
Speaker 1: you never look up and say, why is that guy
Speaker 1: with that guy? That's why we've we just rotate. Somebody
Speaker 1: grabbed the snap, but that's not a big deal. At
Speaker 1: some point during this it's all all depend all depending
Speaker 1: on what the doctors say. So Jeffrey obviously very fine,
Speaker 1: show what do you have to do convince him that
Speaker 1: it was better for the team. Well, I'm very fond
Speaker 1: of Lesha McCoy. I think we all are. But when
Speaker 1: you look at moving forward and that was just a
Speaker 1: really big number, you know, when they weren't moving off
Speaker 1: the numbers, so that that that was where the decision
Speaker 1: was made. But I mean, you're talking about the all
Speaker 1: time leading running back for the Philadelphia Eagles. He led
Speaker 1: the league in rushing two years ago. Um, it was
Speaker 1: a real difficult decision, but it was a decision we
Speaker 1: felt we had to make. We had too much money
Speaker 1: at the running back spot, so we had to move
Speaker 1: in a different direction. Would you have to explain all
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Lourie, Now he understood. He's pretty sharp guy.
Speaker 1: But with the most said and done, is the money
Speaker 1: any different? Now? Yeah? Art right? Now? UM to Marco's
Speaker 1: five million dollars this year. Uh, Ryan's two million dollars
Speaker 1: this year, and I think um Darren's four point one.
Speaker 1: So but with that adds up to less than eleven
Speaker 1: point nine. So it was about the cap number this year.
Speaker 1: And you approached him about trying to get that number. Now,
Speaker 1: our guys talked to his agent, but I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't have I don't negotiate with him. So I didn't
Speaker 1: speak specifically with Drew. But prior day no, I think
Speaker 1: you can't. I mean, I've done it everyone. I was
Speaker 1: at Oregon, I at Johnson Stewart in the Garrett Plant,
Speaker 1: both two thirty plus, so I also had La Michael
Speaker 1: James and Kenyan Barnard. I mean, we can work with
Speaker 1: whatever we have. It's just depending on what you want
Speaker 1: to do and how do you want to scheme it up.
Speaker 1: But I think what was available if you if you
Speaker 1: move Lashawan, what's available? The guys that were available are
Speaker 1: one cut downhill runners, so can they fit into what
Speaker 1: we do offensively? Yeah? About finding a franchise quarterback being
Speaker 1: one of the most important things as far as going
Speaker 1: from good to great. Can Sam be that franchise quarterback
Speaker 1: if you can stay healthy? I hope so, But I
Speaker 1: mean I'm not I'm not a predictor guy, So I
Speaker 1: don't mean I'm not going to put a label on anybody.
Speaker 1: So we're saying about how much research did you look
Speaker 1: into players, especially a quarterback you're touring the same yea
Speaker 1: twice and how productive day. I think we looked at everybody.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at our starting receiver who had eighty
Speaker 1: five catches, So specifically a quarterback, yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: it's probably easier for a quarterback with a knee injury
Speaker 1: than it is with a shoulder injury. As we went
Speaker 1: through the history of it. You know, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not We didn't bring Sam to run the ball seventy
Speaker 1: five times a game. So I think it's a lot
Speaker 1: easier for a quarterback with an ACL than it is
Speaker 1: for a receiver with an a cl But you know,
Speaker 1: you look at I think the history right now in
Speaker 1: terms of sports science and what doctors are doing now
Speaker 1: has moved forward. It's unbelievable. You know, look at the
Speaker 1: year Jeremy mclanad coming off with two acls. You know,
Speaker 1: look at our center Jason Kelsey came off in a
Speaker 1: cl when I first got there, was just coming off
Speaker 1: in ACL had a sports NIU surgery in the middle
Speaker 1: of the season and still made the Pro Bowl. Our
Speaker 1: left tackle, who's arguably a Hall of Famer, is coming
Speaker 1: off with two achilles and has played at an outstanding level.
Speaker 1: So to follow up with question, and basically I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't have that answer right now, So I don't
Speaker 1: know exactly where he is. I haven't talked to Chris
Speaker 1: or you know, we'll take that when it comes. I
Speaker 1: don't know when his final meeting with doctor Andrews is,
Speaker 1: but I know he's progressing the way he normally should
Speaker 1: progress from that injury trying. You don't deal with the contract,
Speaker 1: But if you guys approached Sam Bradford about redoing his
Speaker 1: dealer you no, I and if if any of that
Speaker 1: is I'm not going to discuss any current players. I'm
Speaker 1: comfortable with you with Sam as our quarterback. Did you
Speaker 1: reach out to the Rams, were Sam Bradford or did
Speaker 1: they reach out to you about trade? I think it
Speaker 1: was a mutual thing. You know, went on for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. You know, we were trying to keep
Speaker 1: Nick if we could, and that was we were trying
Speaker 1: to keep Nick. You know. It was just at the
Speaker 1: at the last second they wanted players. We were trying
Speaker 1: to get it done with draft pick. But it didn't work.
Speaker 1: It didn't work out that way. Outside. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's a spring. Everybody plays everywhere in
Speaker 1: the spring and we'll figure it out. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we add anybody and what are their strengths and
Speaker 1: what are their weaknesses. And I mean it's not playing
Speaker 1: inside receive. Well, he was a rookie, so we just
Speaker 1: wanted him to play one position and learn one position
Speaker 1: and come in. Yeah, he can do It's just like
Speaker 1: Josh can do it. You know, it's Riley Cooper could
Speaker 1: move into the slot for us. I mean, once you're
Speaker 1: in there. The biggest thing we do is when we
Speaker 1: get rookies in there, it's hey, you're playing one spot.
Speaker 1: Let's not put a lot on your plate. It's no
Speaker 1: different than zach Ertz. We you know, his package was
Speaker 1: expanded in year two than it was in year one.
Speaker 1: But because when they first get in there, it's a
Speaker 1: totally different world for him. Once they get comfortable there,
Speaker 1: you start to see him move around and play a
Speaker 1: lot of different spots. So I can envision Jordan playing
Speaker 1: in a lot of different spots for us. Which most
Speaker 1: of the guys in your scouting department were brought in
Speaker 1: by how not if not most of them were with
Speaker 1: Ed in charge of it now and with Jeffrey is
Speaker 1: saying that you you attack scouting with a different way
Speaker 1: that he's ever seen before. Does Ed have to train
Speaker 1: the scout? I mean is does there have to be
Speaker 1: changes in the scouting department or really so that they're
Speaker 1: getting your type of guy? I think that happens no
Speaker 1: matter what coaches are. If you change from one scheme
Speaker 1: to another, than what you're looking for in a player
Speaker 1: is different. Four three world linebackers different than three four
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. That's just that's football, right. But he's but
Speaker 1: Jeffrey employee saying, it's you're doing so uniquely and so differently.
Speaker 1: So I was wondering if you think we're very specific
Speaker 1: in what we're looking for. But I think you already
Speaker 1: transfer our guys. Guys have done a great job on
Speaker 1: now in terms of identifying it. So you don't see
Speaker 1: yourself making Ed making sweeping changes in the scouting department. No,
Speaker 1: I mean that's a question for Ed. But he you know,
Speaker 1: when I hire him run its personnel department, you go
Speaker 1: make it the way you want to make it look.
Speaker 1: Two weeks ago you said it. You spoke against philosophically
Speaker 1: trading way up in the draft learning resources that you
Speaker 1: needed for the future. If Marcus Mariota didn't go back
Speaker 1: in the top five. Is there a point and can
Speaker 1: you give any idea of the point where it would
Speaker 1: be reasonable to try to trade out? No? Yeah, Ever,
Speaker 1: Matthiss name is big men. Well, I mean I could
Speaker 1: deal with hypotheticals all the time. I mean, give me
Speaker 1: a scenario. If he goes to twelve and it's gonna
Speaker 1: cost us a seventh rong conditional pick, then that would
Speaker 1: be very I mean, you can go throw it back
Speaker 1: and forth. That's what that's what this is all about.
Speaker 1: So philosophically, I want to keep all our draft picks.
Speaker 1: I think you build your team through the draft. So
Speaker 1: if you got yourself for one year and for one guy, Philosophically,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the right thing to do. Does
Speaker 1: that mean you don't do that? Yeah, Marcus yeah, coach here, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't answer hypothetical. So what's it costs out? Give me
Speaker 1: a number two first round picks? Where am I going
Speaker 1: from where to where? Never get you there? Took two
Speaker 1: first round picks to go from six to two three
Speaker 1: years ago. I consider mortgage in the future, giving up
Speaker 1: your draft, like for Ricky Williams. What I give up
Speaker 1: a whole draft for Ricky Williams in my opinion? Now
Speaker 1: do you think do you think he's the best quarterback?
Speaker 1: Do you think because no word draft, I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I thought Odell Beckham was the best player in the draft.
Speaker 1: He went at twelve. He ended up a Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Year. What do you think of the quarterback? I
Speaker 1: think there's two really good ones, two really good ones.
Speaker 1: Jamis is really good. Do I what do I like
Speaker 1: Jamis more? I don't know Jamis as well. Jamis is
Speaker 1: a really good quarterback, really good quarterback. His name will
Speaker 1: go very quickly, I would imagine. But the history of
Speaker 1: the league. Look at the quarterbacks that have been drafting
Speaker 1: the top. Mark Sanchez was a top five pick, Jake
Speaker 1: Glocker was a top ten pick. Gabbett went at ten,
Speaker 1: um Ponder went at twelve. Quarterbacks school really fast in
Speaker 1: this league, said in Philadelphia introducing the Breadford back then
Speaker 1: a teammate a offer for a first round pick. Day.
Speaker 1: Have there been others since the No, you may changes
Speaker 1: at the running back position, obviously, what about from the
Speaker 1: scheme perspective, other changes you need to be excuse me?
Speaker 1: Are there changes you need to make from a scheme
Speaker 1: perspective with the run game this offseason? No? I mean
Speaker 1: we run the same play, we run power, we run zone,
Speaker 1: we run outside zone. Of those guys, Ryan and DeMarco
Speaker 1: both have done all those things, so they fit in
Speaker 1: in terms of what we do. Oh, we're talking more
Speaker 1: about what worked and what hasn't worked last year. I
Speaker 1: know I need to make additions, regardless of the persadel
Speaker 1: just from what we worked from the scheme perspective. Scheme. No,
Speaker 1: We'll havn Matthews be on the team next year, I hope.
Speaker 1: So his name's come up a good Mountain trade speculation
Speaker 1: to see are you guys actively trading them? No, shop intive. No,
Speaker 1: But I mean, as I said the other day, everybody
Speaker 1: on our roster is available. If someone wants skull. You
Speaker 1: know when we'll when if the scenario comes up and
Speaker 1: someone says, I want to give you two first round
Speaker 1: draft picks for somebody, then yeah, we would listen. I mean,
Speaker 1: we traded Lasham and that was a very difficult decision
Speaker 1: to do. But we felt at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: we're gonna listen to every offer we have, and then
Speaker 1: you'd be crazy to say, no, this isn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: This is gonna happen because you have no idea what
Speaker 1: you're gonna get offered for somebody. I was given permission
Speaker 1: to seek a trade again like he was last year.
Speaker 1: Yes he was, and there hadn't been anything come of that, No,
Speaker 1: not at all besides familiar counter We felt he deserved it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think his performance in the last two
Speaker 1: years since I've been here was exceeded what his contract was.
Speaker 1: That something that moved. Is that something that you feel
Speaker 1: you bring a different approach to given contracts, you guys
Speaker 1: to do that. There's no what I must then do
Speaker 1: it for you to give him, I mean, there was
Speaker 1: the reason for you. I believe you earn earn what
Speaker 1: you do, and and I think we all believed what
Speaker 1: Connor did h for us has has exceeded what he did,
Speaker 1: what his contract was working. I'm not going to discuss
Speaker 1: anybody's contract on our team. What else about kno him?
Speaker 1: I must get one hundred and fifty nine tackles in
Speaker 1: sixteen games, four interceptions played every defensive snap. I mean,
Speaker 1: just turn the tape on and you know what type
Speaker 1: of player are you getting for such a ship? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: it's it's what makes it, what's what makes sports great.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got nothing to talk about on sports radio.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about trades, and everybody's gonna go I want
Speaker 1: this guy, that guy, and this guy. You know what's
Speaker 1: unique about it? Though? How come no one asked Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaw about trading up for Andrew Luck? Same scenario, identical scenario.
Speaker 1: I never heard a word about Jim are you trading
Speaker 1: up to get Andrew Luck? I don't know what. I think.
Speaker 1: I think he actually may have. I think he compared.
Speaker 1: Figure out what he said about Andrew Luck. I know
Speaker 1: how Jimmy feels about Andrew Luck before the draft, like
Speaker 1: in January, like when you guys started all these conversations January. No,
Speaker 1: but okay, it's just to just to carry us question
Speaker 1: I'm answering, Okay, I was just curious why no one
Speaker 1: talked about Jimmy and Andrew, and Jimmy's professed love for Andrew.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. And he's right, because that
Speaker 1: guy's pretty good to him. Heading back to the question, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can understand why we want to talk to you,
Speaker 1: and you can understand why I'm not going to answer you.
Speaker 1: So we've heard a lot of things about Maria's not talk.
Speaker 1: What can you know about this player's specific character visibility.
Speaker 1: I think everybody gets over analyzed. You know, there's just
Speaker 1: so much time between it. And then I'll give the
Speaker 1: credit to Bruce Felman told me it's it's interesting that
Speaker 1: the knock on Marcus is his baggage, is that he
Speaker 1: has no baggage. Here's an outstanding leader. Look at his
Speaker 1: one loss record. You know, you judge quarterbacks on what
Speaker 1: their one lost record is. You judge quarterbacks on touchdound,
Speaker 1: interception ratio, you judge them on all those things. And
Speaker 1: he's off the charts, and he's off the charts off
Speaker 1: the field. There was a report that some executives who
Speaker 1: had talked to him didn't like the fact that he
Speaker 1: was not fiery, you know, where his emotions on his
Speaker 1: sleeve and the little on net. It just didn 'tear
Speaker 1: to them. I mean, do you even evaluate that as
Speaker 1: part when you're looking at you. I heard everything when
Speaker 1: you look at him. But just because a guy doesn't
Speaker 1: yell and scream at a guy when he doesn't run
Speaker 1: the right route? Is ask any of those guys if
Speaker 1: they take Eli Manning. I don't see Eli Manning screaming
Speaker 1: and yell at anybody. But you know, you talk about
Speaker 1: a stone cold killer in the fourth quarter. Look at
Speaker 1: how many fourth quarter comebacks Eli's had. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just it's just it's the silly season. I've said it before.
Speaker 1: The NFL draft hype is the most crazy thing in
Speaker 1: the world. And they're gonna guys are gonna go up,
Speaker 1: Guys are gonna go down. The guys are gonna go up.
Speaker 1: Cam Newton couldn't play everybody. There's no reason draft him
Speaker 1: in the first round. All of a sudden, he goes
Speaker 1: number one. I knew it. I mean, it's crazy. Explain
Speaker 1: philosophically football wide, So why it's not good for team
Speaker 1: trade back? For usually the last traft picks. Philosophically, more
Speaker 1: players are better than one player philosophically, that's bottom. I mean,
Speaker 1: the history of the game, study all trades. What set
Speaker 1: the Cowboys going forward? They traded one player for multiple players.
Speaker 1: I mean that's just I got a better chance at hitting.
Speaker 1: It's not an exact science and draft you get. It's
Speaker 1: a better chance at hitting. If you have more draft picks,
Speaker 1: then you have less draft picks. That's basically it philosophical
Speaker 1: harder to evaluate that physician, harder to evaluate when you
Speaker 1: do those kind of things. If you if you would trade,
Speaker 1: is it hard? I think a quarterback harder to evaluate
Speaker 1: when you're trading all those picks than another position. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean the Saints traded all the way, all those
Speaker 1: draft picks for Ricky Williams. Wander A get I'm at
Speaker 1: you tell me there are no exceptions to that philosophy
Speaker 1: In Europe, it's a philosophy. There's exceptions to every philosopher.
Speaker 1: People used to think the world was flat philosophically, right
Speaker 1: until that guy took the boat and just kept going
Speaker 1: and it didn't fall off the edge. Right completion, more
Speaker 1: chances and done with you next the same thing you
Speaker 1: feel like um, I would look at Sam can't considers
Speaker 1: pretty yack or quarterback. They that naturally he should have
Speaker 1: that fun Now, I mean it's still all about the players.
Speaker 1: I mean I can put some players in there and
Speaker 1: they're not going to complete a pass. I just it's
Speaker 1: still a personnel driven you know, that whole it's the system,
Speaker 1: it's not the system. It's still about the players. It's
Speaker 1: just putting them in positions I think where you can
Speaker 1: read their strengths and read their weaknesses and trying to
Speaker 1: put them in position to make players. But I don't
Speaker 1: think so, I don't know, I really I then I've
Speaker 1: said it before. I didn't really what he was doing.
Speaker 1: I also think he had maybe you know, he had
Speaker 1: a lot of different coordinators, you know, from year to
Speaker 1: year to year. So I wasn't really entrenched in a
Speaker 1: in one system. I don't. I mean I really don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't study it that way, you know, going from
Speaker 1: scheme where he had s a defense where he had
Speaker 1: set down get a lot of responsibility. Project. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's a misconception because he didn't have two safeties
Speaker 1: behind him. I mean they're either a Cover three or
Speaker 1: Cover one, and they don't play too deep, so you know,
Speaker 1: Cam's usually down in the box. But you know, the
Speaker 1: one thing I think that's interesting with Byron is that
Speaker 1: because of how good Richard Sherman is, he got the
Speaker 1: scheme was a lot of times the best receiver you
Speaker 1: tried to get. Everybody tried to scheme people, and he
Speaker 1: got the most balls because you're not going to throw
Speaker 1: on Richard. So you know, he's got a great skill set,
Speaker 1: great size, great length, um, really smart intuitive football. Um.
Speaker 1: Benefited from really good coaching and Sattle Pete do's an
Speaker 1: unbelieable job with defensive backs. But you know, I think
Speaker 1: he also benefited again playing opposite or Richard because he
Speaker 1: saw he saw a lot, did a really good job.
Speaker 1: The other thing they did with him his versatility is
Speaker 1: he played in He played in the nickel, you know,
Speaker 1: so he's played inside corner as opposed to just being
Speaker 1: predominantly an outside corner. So he's he's got, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of versatility in terms of being able to
Speaker 1: move them around. I mean, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of ways you can use them. Well, we'll get we
Speaker 1: won't get our hands on him until uh the end
Speaker 1: of April but I'm sure Billy will Will, you know,
Speaker 1: is excited to have someone like him that has that
Speaker 1: type of versatility to kind of move around. You know,
Speaker 1: we got Thurman, Nolan, Brandon. Yeah, they'll all play it
Speaker 1: out right now, you know. And if unless we do
Speaker 1: something here later, boy can Yeah. And unless we do
Speaker 1: something here later, and you know, if if we add
Speaker 1: somebody in free agency or the draft and they'll compete
Speaker 1: on on for that other spot, and now that will
Speaker 1: work out a free agent move now percentage wise or
Speaker 1: fractions or you know, I don't know, I mean, I
Speaker 1: really don't. I mean, you haven't made one in a while,
Speaker 1: and guys are starting to come up the market and
Speaker 1: now it's it's a different kind of market now. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he's trying to see what the market is. There's conversations
Speaker 1: going on, but I couldn't say one way or the
Speaker 1: other yet highly or I'm highly or unlikely. Do you
Speaker 1: think you can, like, you know, find find a top
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the draft? Do you think there's someone
Speaker 1: like you know, you mentioned Odell back on the last
Speaker 1: year and everything kind of feeling what Jeremy did. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's a talented draft class. We're
Speaker 1: still kind of putting that all together. But it's another
Speaker 1: year where there's some really really good receivers in the draft,
Speaker 1: and I think there's probably the one position again that
Speaker 1: has the most depth in the draft is probably wide
Speaker 1: receiver back. We felt, Yeah, last offseason you talked a
Speaker 1: lot about having to beat man coverage. He's there a
Speaker 1: similar theme or focus where we look at this offseason.
Speaker 1: We need to get better in this area when we
Speaker 1: make some of these personnel moves. No, I mean I
Speaker 1: actually flip for us. We saw less man last year
Speaker 1: than we did the year before, so I think it
Speaker 1: was a sixty forty sixty man first year and forty
Speaker 1: man the second year. So you know, it'll probably change again.
Speaker 1: You've never seen interested in moving in Brandon to the outside.
Speaker 1: I mean basically cities some small to play outside for
Speaker 1: bigger guys. Has that changed? I mean, it's just thinking too. No.
Speaker 1: I think we're show us what we have and what's
Speaker 1: available to us, and everybody competes. But Brandon plays outside
Speaker 1: every day in practice, you know. I mean that's something
Speaker 1: that I don't think. You know, when Brandon goes out
Speaker 1: to practice, he's not like this, like I don't look
Speaker 1: at what the outside corners do. I mean, he's been
Speaker 1: our second corner behind Fletching Kerry, and it was Nolan
Speaker 1: and Brandon, so he's always played outside. But he also
Speaker 1: when you're playing nickel, you get less reps outside because
Speaker 1: how many reps do you have in seven on seven.
Speaker 1: If there's twelve reps and seven on seven and seven
Speaker 1: of them are nickel reps, well, he's getting all his
Speaker 1: reps at nickels. He's not gonna get all He's not
Speaker 1: going to go in with the twos and then and
Speaker 1: go play outside receiver. It's the same thing with Nolan
Speaker 1: when we used him a dime. It took away from
Speaker 1: some of his reps at outside corner just because you're
Speaker 1: not going to run them on every snap there and practice.
Speaker 1: But whoever is the best out of that group will
Speaker 1: play corner force first and second. I'm wondering what you
Speaker 1: think about to see him first off season. I think
Speaker 1: Josh just consistency and the biggest thing with him is
Speaker 1: getting hurt in that preseason game that kind of get
Speaker 1: him put him behind everybody, and then when we got
Speaker 1: him back, I think it was after the San Francisco game,
Speaker 1: so we had already played four or five games, you know,
Speaker 1: so he was playing a little bit of catch up,
Speaker 1: so hopefully just to stay you know. It was just
Speaker 1: kind of a freak thing on that kickoff return, Um,
Speaker 1: but contributed really well for us. He's a he's an
Speaker 1: unbelieable teams player. UM. So we already know he's established
Speaker 1: there and now it's just getting a little bit more
Speaker 1: consistent and given. And he'll get an opportunity now with
Speaker 1: with Matt gon So. Um. You know, I just think,
Speaker 1: like everybody, you just hope that that year one of
Speaker 1: year two jump. You know, we know he has the
Speaker 1: physical skills and the mindset to do it is just
Speaker 1: staying healthy and an opportunity to show us at the
Speaker 1: same year the Mowtube routine Mark sam Chase, you talk
Speaker 1: about what are you showing your last year and how
Speaker 1: important is that? I think, I mean, quarterbacks the position
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, and you better have a
Speaker 1: couple of them. I mean, in my two years here,
Speaker 1: we've we've played multiple quarterbacks in every season. So, um,
Speaker 1: we thought he was the most attractive free agent on
Speaker 1: the market and we were really excited to be able
Speaker 1: to get him back. You know, another year in our system,
Speaker 1: another year working with him. Um got a tremendous work ethic.
Speaker 1: I think he he's uh really come come along since
Speaker 1: the shoulder surgery that set him out the whole year
Speaker 1: before that. So excited to see his growth in the
Speaker 1: second year of our system. Another guy you mentioned like
Speaker 1: the second year of jo What does kind of like
Speaker 1: take that next step? The same with all the same
Speaker 1: thing I said about Josh consistency. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: times he flashes, but can we get it from him
Speaker 1: on a more consistent basis? SI, I know I'm in
Speaker 1: your last person couple. Someone trying to ask you about
Speaker 1: why you you wanted Sam and said of Nick, And
Speaker 1: you stopped him and said, no, it's not about what
Speaker 1: I don't like Nick. But you did trade one for
Speaker 1: the other. Essentially what is Yeah, But I, as I
Speaker 1: said earlier, I didn't want We didn't want to trade Nick.
Speaker 1: That was really the biggest sticking point for us. We
Speaker 1: didn't want to lose Nick, right, But you did. You
Speaker 1: didn't want to lose him. Ultimate, Yeah, you have to.
Speaker 1: You have to make it. You have to make a
Speaker 1: decision of of It's the same thing I didn't want
Speaker 1: to lose the shoan, but you have to make You
Speaker 1: got to give something up to get something right. So
Speaker 1: what did you think you were getting more of for
Speaker 1: you and for your scheme by getting Sam and giving Nick.
Speaker 1: You know, I think when you look at Sam, it's
Speaker 1: his overall accuracy that I think impresses everybody when you
Speaker 1: watch him play. You know, do you feel like he
Speaker 1: would at his best is a more accurate quarterback? Then
Speaker 1: then Nick at his best? Oh, I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but I mean just looking at where we are and
Speaker 1: what we need to do. But I think we've We've
Speaker 1: got guys open him. We need to put the ball
Speaker 1: on him and some from the situations, an offense faster.
Speaker 1: Going back to even Oklahoma, I mean the the pace
Speaker 1: that he runs with that was that wasn't I have
Speaker 1: no idea what he did pace. I mean when you
Speaker 1: watch college tape, there's no you don't know what's going
Speaker 1: on between the players. You're just watching one play cut
Speaker 1: to the next place. Did you just look at his
Speaker 1: bro taper? Did you go back to the oko um
Speaker 1: the two um? I didn't go back to it, but
Speaker 1: I talked to his coaches at Oklahoma, so I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch him at Oklahoma whatever. We watched every
Speaker 1: throw he made in college, so I mean every throwing
Speaker 1: made in the pros. Statistically he didn't throw guard. What
Speaker 1: do you need. I'm really excited about Alan. We've we've
Speaker 1: we've been high on Allen for a long time. You know,
Speaker 1: was playing really well and then hurt his ankle it,
Speaker 1: you know, in the first game. So you know, we
Speaker 1: we always considered Alan. You know, came in the year before,
Speaker 1: didn unbelieable job when JP was out against Green Bay
Speaker 1: and in a real tough matchup, um, you know, against
Speaker 1: a real good team in Green Bay and really did
Speaker 1: it well from self versatile player. Um, but I feel
Speaker 1: very confident in Alan Barber. Yeah, when Miko help, how
Speaker 1: do you invasion? Can flag Pico about Michaelmen? I mean's
Speaker 1: I never you have no idea. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen for you four weeks from now,
Speaker 1: five weeks from now, four months from now. You know,
Speaker 1: they all may be hurt and it may be Brad
Speaker 1: Jones and Acho. So what did make trades? That bringing key?
Speaker 1: You think about how that will affect position? Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: we we we knew we love I mean both those linebackers.
Speaker 1: I think, uh, Demico missed eight and Michael missed four.
Speaker 1: So you know, it was really we getting depth at
Speaker 1: our inside linebacker position and getting more players. It was
Speaker 1: it was a number really something where we were striving
Speaker 1: to striving to get accomplished in the offseason. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we call everybody when that happened. So I talked to Darren,
Speaker 1: I talked to Demiko. We've talked to everybody whenever we
Speaker 1: do that. When we draft somebody, we talked to the
Speaker 1: other guys at their position. So that's something we've always done.
Speaker 1: So is the team that I'm never going to discuss
Speaker 1: who we talked to in trade and trade uh situations
Speaker 1: yesterday and Jeff Jeffrey said, you know, bringing free agents
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't know how they're going to fit into
Speaker 1: your scheme and your system, your culture, or if they're
Speaker 1: going to understand how things are done. You'd much rather
Speaker 1: build a team through the draft and in the years
Speaker 1: going forward because of philosophically. Yeah, yes, so this passed
Speaker 1: off season, the risks involved with bringing in players free
Speaker 1: agency and stuff like that, did you look into, you know,
Speaker 1: the personalities and every years. Yeah, you try to mean,
Speaker 1: you gather all the information you can. You don't have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to meet with any of them, and you
Speaker 1: go through all their couple you know, the research that
Speaker 1: was done on them in college coming out. You know
Speaker 1: what they were like, and you know you have a
Speaker 1: framework of kind of who they are, and you know
Speaker 1: if you have an opportunity to maybe have a place
Speaker 1: at somebody that knows them, or coach them, or you know,
Speaker 1: when free agency opens, you get a chance to visit
Speaker 1: and talk with them. But you know that's just for us.
Speaker 1: If you just look at it. There hasn't been a
Speaker 1: real good history in the last ten years of draft
Speaker 1: the defensive backs at the Eagles, so you got to
Speaker 1: go require them in free agency, so you hope we
Speaker 1: could draft a little bit better so we don't have
Speaker 1: to do that and we go in the future. When
Speaker 1: he was talking yesterday about why he felt changed with Estery,
Speaker 1: he spoke about how esoteric your requirements are they you
Speaker 1: understand what um you have really really specific requirements in specifically,
Speaker 1: how hard is it to train scouts to do what
Speaker 1: one can do to look at me, to look at
Speaker 1: and has that been a problem for you, No, not
Speaker 1: at all. I think we've got a great scott where
Speaker 1: did very different from what other people want. No, I
Speaker 1: think everybody has specific needs and wants that they have
Speaker 1: at their position. You know, what Seattle's looking for is
Speaker 1: different than what San Francisco's looking for. I think the
Speaker 1: teams that that do with the best are getting players
Speaker 1: that fit their system. Just the risk that you're run
Speaker 1: that you're you're shrinking the point too much if you're
Speaker 1: looking for this specifically sycheologically, this specifically from a measurable standpoint,
Speaker 1: on and on. I mean there's a scheme talent. Could
Speaker 1: that be a potential problem? How much do you think
Speaker 1: about that? What's the solution? That's a sixty four thousand
Speaker 1: dollar question. But you can say, you know what, our
Speaker 1: parameters are too tight, so let's expand him, and then
Speaker 1: what you if you accept it, expect it. So if
Speaker 1: you accept that you're going to take a five to
Speaker 1: seven corner and the ball gets strown over his head,
Speaker 1: you can't say, boy, he should have made that play.
Speaker 1: It's he ain't gonna make the play. The receivers six four,
Speaker 1: you know, so there's a give and take. It's it's
Speaker 1: a it's a tough it's a tough deal. But if
Speaker 1: you you know, it's a if you take under overachievers
Speaker 1: that aren't the right size at every position, eventually you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a five ten nose guard but with a
Speaker 1: five nine inside linebacker with a five eighth safety, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna run the ball right down your throat and
Speaker 1: you have no one to kick in the pants except
Speaker 1: for yourself because you decided to make those selections. So
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna have a standard in any operation,
Speaker 1: your business, your newspaper, whatever, and say, you know what,
Speaker 1: I want a guy that's really good at this. This
Speaker 1: guy doesn't really fit the criteria, but let's just hire
Speaker 1: them anyways, And then you wonder why your business failed,
Speaker 1: it's because you lowered your standards to get to a
Speaker 1: certain point. Talking about you and should you said, well,
Speaker 1: you guys had to post mortem on the season. You
Speaker 1: presented a vision to go for the goods he bought into.
Speaker 1: So when you plugged in the team, give us the
Speaker 1: two or three things that you said to him, this
Speaker 1: is how we can go for. I think we have
Speaker 1: to improve on defense, you know, overall, I think, um,
Speaker 1: we gotta be better in the back end. We weren't
Speaker 1: good in the secondary. We had too many X plays
Speaker 1: over our heads. UM. Offensively, we have to clean up
Speaker 1: the turnovers. You know, they were at an all time
Speaker 1: high for any system that I've ever been in UM.
Speaker 1: You know, So we got to make decisions in terms
Speaker 1: of being better in terms of securing the football on
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, and really felt like
Speaker 1: we had to get better depth at inside linebacker and
Speaker 1: in the secondary. So that's really from a from a
Speaker 1: football standpoint, that's what we were talking about. Feel that
Speaker 1: after plugging defense now that you needed physical Now I
Speaker 1: think we're Our run defense is outstanding, So I not
Speaker 1: at all I think I think that's the strength of
Speaker 1: our defense. I think it's it was our past defense
Speaker 1: that we were trying to improve. Scout to the question
Speaker 1: countly draft, we're smaller now that you guys do the
Speaker 1: first round, you get the many first round rades. Feel
Speaker 1: like that you guys draft now talking to guys that
Speaker 1: were in other programs, now, post boards are similar. I mean,
Speaker 1: and if a guy doesn't have a first round grade,
Speaker 1: you don't look at the board and say, we don't
Speaker 1: have enough first round so let's put this guy in
Speaker 1: first round the draft. The pool is what the pool
Speaker 1: is is you can't make it. I mean, that's your selections.
Speaker 1: The presidential candidate, So the presidential candidates. You're you're picking
Speaker 1: between this presidential candidate and that presidential candidate. You just
Speaker 1: can't say, well, I don't like that guy and I
Speaker 1: don't like that guy. We gotta pick one of them, right, No,
Speaker 1: never may we're doing. Sorry if you've been answering for
Speaker 1: Curly Cowboy. But he talked about what demarcol murder Bred
Speaker 1: would remute it to him two or three. Obviously you
Speaker 1: just look at him statistically in terms of what he did.
Speaker 1: We faced him four times. Yeah, you know what type
Speaker 1: of war Cris backing is. But um got unbelievable patients
Speaker 1: and vision a toughness to him, you know, uh, never
Speaker 1: really takes negative yardage plays. And then when I finally
Speaker 1: got a chance to visit with him, I think it
Speaker 1: was on either that Wednesday or Thursday after pree agency started.
Speaker 1: Just you know, I didn't really know what type of
Speaker 1: player he was. When the first conversation I had with
Speaker 1: him on the phone, I was, you know, just impressed
Speaker 1: with him as a as a as a guy you know,
Speaker 1: and what his mindset is and what he wants to
Speaker 1: get accomplished, and um, you know, really excited to add
Speaker 1: him to to our and you take him away from
Speaker 1: the Cowboy because he's started an important to port against him. Now,
Speaker 1: we never look at it that way. We're just trying
Speaker 1: to acquire players and we don't say, you know, let's
Speaker 1: take this player over that player because it's going to
Speaker 1: make that team. You know, I think I know Dallas
Speaker 1: is going to be a real tougher punt of force
Speaker 1: again when we playing this year. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of conversation in Dallas about the workload with that. Marie
Speaker 1: had last year rolled game role at mc glayed in
Speaker 1: that offensive I kind of thought, did you give to that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he had four hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: passes last year and type of guess type questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have thought with that, and that's why we wanted
Speaker 1: to bring in two running backs. So that's why we
Speaker 1: brought to Marco and and Ryan Mathison. So you described
Speaker 1: schools last week as a Swiss army night last week.
Speaker 1: Last year, you kind of used him a more straightforward role.
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't move them around a whole lot.
Speaker 1: Did you anticipate maybe being creative with him this year, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we do, you know, and it's just acclamation, but also
Speaker 1: for us, you know, in a lot of times, especially
Speaker 1: earlier in the year, he was our only other running back,
Speaker 1: so you know, kind of move him around and put
Speaker 1: him in a lot of different spots. You're kind of
Speaker 1: holding your breath because early I think it was I
Speaker 1: can't remember if it was one or two games worth,
Speaker 1: our third running back was Trey Burton because Chris was injured.
Speaker 1: So you know, you got a kind of that's why
Speaker 1: our goal in this offseason, if if we move Lashawn
Speaker 1: was we wanted to bring two guys in. We want
Speaker 1: to have some depth at the running back spot and
Speaker 1: possibly carry four guys um during the season, And you
Speaker 1: know that that's that there's a lot of factored into that.
Speaker 1: But I think obviously in year two, a lot more
Speaker 1: familiarity with what we're doing and getting acclimated in terms
Speaker 1: of what we're doing. We need to get him on
Speaker 1: the field. Most seems like, if if your running backs
Speaker 1: are healthy, you know demarco' Ryan's and its roles that
Speaker 1: Chris Bob probably has again a limited role that's a
Speaker 1: covered doing. Mean, it's safe to say it's not going
Speaker 1: to be expanded from last year as long as everyone now,
Speaker 1: that's not safe to say. Do you expect it depends role?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, we could get the game one.
Speaker 1: He could be the only running back standing. So so
Speaker 1: when you're talking about two physical running backs into Mark o'
Speaker 1: and Ryan, so you better have some depth. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a style that those guys run with
Speaker 1: where they're gonna they're gonna take some hits and you
Speaker 1: gotta be able to have some depth when you have
Speaker 1: those type of guys, you think, do you do you fine?
Speaker 1: Like going through the whole training process, you know, reporting
Speaker 1: free agency stuff, do you find that's a lot like
Speaker 1: you know, do you find that's kind of like you
Speaker 1: know what it's like, including when new or or you know,
Speaker 1: in college and everything now because they don't visit until
Speaker 1: a lot of them that I wish there was a
Speaker 1: visit period, but there's it's not a they don't really visit.
Speaker 1: You know, they're coming in and going, so it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different. So there's not much from
Speaker 1: from that. A lot of it's done over the phone
Speaker 1: when you have first to have a chance to talk
Speaker 1: to him. So so then that's scout real short window. Sorry,
Speaker 1: that's scouting philosophy. Then that you just articulated, where did
Speaker 1: you develop that, how was that influence that? That's how
Speaker 1: you want to do it at the NFL level, just
Speaker 1: learning from a lot of people that have been in
Speaker 1: this league for a long time and picking their brains
Speaker 1: on how you want to put things together. But philosophic,
Speaker 1: I think everybody would say the same thing that they
Speaker 1: have a Guys that can't tell you what they want
Speaker 1: in a player are probably the teams that aren't successful.
Speaker 1: When you guys are specific and know exactly what they
Speaker 1: want you know, then you have a chance to to
Speaker 1: fix it from an understanding. But if you don't understand
Speaker 1: what you want in a player or defensive scheme or
Speaker 1: an offensive team, then you never can correct the mistake
Speaker 1: because you don't even know if you're making a mistake.
Speaker 1: Challenge versus they're both. They both go hand in hand.
Speaker 1: So I don't think you can sacrifice one for the other,
Speaker 1: or it doesn't work that way. You can have a
Speaker 1: guy that's got all the intangibles in the world. But
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have the talent to play, it really
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. You can have the guy who's the most
Speaker 1: talented player ever, but if he doesn't fit into with
Speaker 1: the rest of the players on a team because it's
Speaker 1: a team game, then that's not going to work either.
Speaker 1: So but Brad similarly, he had three offensive bold Dames
Speaker 1: four years, didn't have a lot of offensive talent around.
Speaker 1: In some cases, when you watch each throw, you need
Speaker 1: how do you project that. I don't think you're you're
Speaker 1: not looking. I don't project. I don't think we look
Speaker 1: at it as a projection. I'm just looking at what
Speaker 1: can he do and what can't he do when you're
Speaker 1: watching film, because you don't know what he's asked to do,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what the play call is on
Speaker 1: the third throw of the game. You know when what
Speaker 1: his progression was from one to two to three, or
Speaker 1: you know, was he told to throw it there? No
Speaker 1: matter what, you just you're watching the skill set. How
Speaker 1: does he set his feet, how does he avoid a
Speaker 1: rush or his eyes up? How does he take a hit?
Speaker 1: How does he deliver a short ball, how does he
Speaker 1: deliver a deep ball? What's he like at intermediate throws.
Speaker 1: What's he like when he sets his feet and throws.
Speaker 1: What's he like when he gets flushed, you know, when
Speaker 1: he can't get his his back foot down and has
Speaker 1: to throw off balance. You know, that's what you're evaluating
Speaker 1: when you're watching the tape aspect of you're not looking
Speaker 1: at it. How does this fit in schematically? You're just
Speaker 1: you're just looking at a skill set two years and
Speaker 1: what have you learned about development? More specifically, do you
Speaker 1: guys think you put Marcus Smith back good position last
Speaker 1: year to succeed now? I mean I think we we
Speaker 1: do a really good job because our guys get more
Speaker 1: reps than everybody else. But the bottom line is you
Speaker 1: have to earn your position. You know, there's not a
Speaker 1: you don't have time when you're competing for a division
Speaker 1: title to throw a guy out there and say, hey,
Speaker 1: let's see how he develops. Right now, I mean when
Speaker 1: the game's on the line. The game's on the line,
Speaker 1: and in the way it broke down for us, we're
Speaker 1: one game away from making a playoffs. So you know,
Speaker 1: if shame on us, if we were just trying to well,
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't get a chance to win that
Speaker 1: game because we were trying to develop some younger players.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's maybe if you're on a different team,
Speaker 1: maybe a team that's you know, you know it's a
Speaker 1: rebuilding project and it's a one or two or three
Speaker 1: or four year deal from where you're gonna be, then
Speaker 1: it's a different mindset. But when when we got here,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that way. I mean, we won the division
Speaker 1: in our first year. We were right in the heat
Speaker 1: of the battle last year. So um, but I don't
Speaker 1: think from any standpoint, and I think it's the same
Speaker 1: thing with the players. If you just put a guy
Speaker 1: out there that doesn't deserve to be out there, then
Speaker 1: you lose the rest of your team. You know, what
Speaker 1: do you stand for? You know, and we're about competition
Speaker 1: and you earn it. You know, there's not one guy
Speaker 1: on our team that can say, you know what, I
Speaker 1: didn't get enough reps. You know, they get a ton
Speaker 1: of reps and they get evaluated every day. And then
Speaker 1: you're opportunity to show us what you can do to contribute.
Speaker 1: And if you show us that you can contribute, the
Speaker 1: we're gonna get you on the field because you're gonna
Speaker 1: lpus win games. You did enough to done in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I mean the first year you're helping a lot to
Speaker 1: do with the success of plays last years and different
Speaker 1: quarterback on majority season. How do you think that plays
Speaker 1: We don't. We don't run as much zone read as
Speaker 1: you think we run, just because we hint I know,
Speaker 1: probably less than two times a game, do you think,
Speaker 1: um so, I think that depends on your personnel. I
Speaker 1: think the Seattle Seahawks run it outstanding and it's a
Speaker 1: real difficult play in terms of how they run it.
Speaker 1: But we I mean we I think we're maybe less
Speaker 1: than one a game in terms of running zone read plays.
Speaker 1: So it's not a big part of what we do.
Speaker 1: Probably won't be, probably not now this second STA well
Speaker 1: it's so that earlier with Zach, but we'll see. We
Speaker 1: got some guys in house, we'll take a look at well,
Speaker 1: there's still opportunities in free agency, and there's also opportunities
Speaker 1: in the draft, and we'll play it out through OTA's
Speaker 1: mini camp in the preseason. Have you thought about give
Speaker 1: it Nolan Carol will look at safety. No, No one's
Speaker 1: going to compete for the starting corner spot. On the
Speaker 1: other side, about the new responsibilities, that you is finding
Speaker 1: a quarterback and been figuring out how yet the quarterback
Speaker 1: the way that you obviously need to use exact the
Speaker 1: biggest challenge that you had, I mean specifically about that
Speaker 1: position its opposed to No, I don't think that's the
Speaker 1: biggest challenge. I think putting together a whole team it's
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge. That doesn't weigh more than no, No,
Speaker 1: it doesn't. You guys can you guys like, yeah, Jalen's
Speaker 1: got versatility. How it We'll all play itself out. I mean,
Speaker 1: we got a ton of time and we have a
Speaker 1: ton of reps between now and when we gotta make
Speaker 1: a decision on who's gonna end upposite Malcolm so um,
Speaker 1: you know, Jaylen Jalen is another guy that will have
Speaker 1: an opportunity at the safety spot. What was your evaluation
Speaker 1: of how Michael Keedgriggs played less here and how he
Speaker 1: fits go work forward? Um. I thought when he was
Speaker 1: healthy he played really well for us, But again we
Speaker 1: missed him. I don't know if it was four or five,
Speaker 1: four games, you know, it was just the health aspect
Speaker 1: of it was a difficult thing and we were a
Speaker 1: different team without him on the field. I think he's
Speaker 1: but when he played, he played really well for us.
Speaker 1: What can from from franchise and him when you see him?
Speaker 1: Just the price of the tag, what you paid a
Speaker 1: lot of money for Byron Maxwell? So why was it?
Speaker 1: We felt corner? So you felt corner. We felt corner
Speaker 1: was a priority position for us in terms of the questions,
Speaker 1: you know, what do we need to improve? We needed
Speaker 1: to improve our secondary, but do you feel like in
Speaker 1: doing that though and letting in doing that improving your
Speaker 1: secondary but also then not bringing back Jeremy. You weakened
Speaker 1: your wide receiver porter? And where's that? You can't You
Speaker 1: can't pay everybody. I mean, that's just everybody has the
Speaker 1: same amount of money, and so you got to divvy
Speaker 1: it up. However you're going to divvy it up. But
Speaker 1: we were inadequate in terms of the money allocated defensively
Speaker 1: as we were to offensively, and we're trying to balance
Speaker 1: that out, and I think it showed in our play.
Speaker 1: I would imagine what the offers you had Maco and
Speaker 1: you had money allocators to that spot to then when
Speaker 1: he didn't sign, how did he how did that change
Speaker 1: your offices and planes? And then we just we didn't
Speaker 1: think there was another receiver that was in that price
Speaker 1: range in the in the free agency, so it was
Speaker 1: we were gonna try to get mac Back. Felt like
Speaker 1: we gave him a real competitive offer. Kansas City offered
Speaker 1: him a lot more than we did, and we just
Speaker 1: weren't going to go that high song getting Marco. Were
Speaker 1: able to do that because now we had always planned
Speaker 1: on taking to running back. So salary cap allocation. You
Speaker 1: talked about using what you did at the running back
Speaker 1: position spreading. Spreading carries out a little more than men.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like your system offensively um helps you
Speaker 1: in terms of the salary gap because you didn't have
Speaker 1: to pay a top guy and a fil ran amount
Speaker 1: of money. Do I feel our system does No. I
Speaker 1: think it's all based on what's available at the time
Speaker 1: and how do you allocate it, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: you can philosophically say, hey, we want to pay x,
Speaker 1: X and X at each position, but that's not available
Speaker 1: to you know, we want to pay our center really
Speaker 1: good money because he deserves really good money, because Jason's
Speaker 1: really good. If somebody else was playing center, we wouldn't
Speaker 1: have that much money allocated at center. I think it's really,
Speaker 1: you can't look at it and say, philosophically, let's put
Speaker 1: a price tag on every position, because number one, you
Speaker 1: don't get to start from scratch. And then number two,
Speaker 1: just because you want to pay your left tackle ten
Speaker 1: million dollars, what if there's not a ten million dollars
Speaker 1: player available to you at that position. So you just
Speaker 1: got to kind of it's it's an event of flow.
Speaker 1: It's not a philosophical thing where you can say this
Speaker 1: or that you're more of a team touches please out.
Speaker 1: It depends on what your players are. You know, if
Speaker 1: you add yeah, you're not going to say philosophically, we
Speaker 1: want to spread it out. If you have a six
Speaker 1: five guy that's two forty and runs four three, you're
Speaker 1: gonna probably get him in the ball a little bit
Speaker 1: more than somebody else. I just think when you set,
Speaker 1: you see what's out here. To talk about the ball out,
Speaker 1: we were talking about spreadit. Now. What I was talking
Speaker 1: about spreading the ball out is that the way those
Speaker 1: guys run the football, he's I don't believe that one
Speaker 1: of those guys is going to carry the ball three
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty times. And I think it's it takes
Speaker 1: a physical toll on you that that wasn't a salary
Speaker 1: cap philosophical let's handle it. You know, I would we
Speaker 1: ran multiple running backs at Oregon because we had multiple
Speaker 1: running backs at Oregon. If we didn't have multiple running backs,
Speaker 1: we would have just hung it on one guy. And
Speaker 1: when we had someone like Leshawan who was head and
Speaker 1: shoulders above everybody else, then he's he's gonna be the
Speaker 1: guy that's going to carry the ball and very rarely
Speaker 1: came out of the game. You know, that's just that's
Speaker 1: just the nature of how it was set up when
Speaker 1: I got here. You know, Leshan was a head and
Speaker 1: shoulders above. Now when you have DeMarco and Ryan, you
Speaker 1: can distribute those carris. I would have loved to I mean,
Speaker 1: Leshaun the most carries out of any running back over
Speaker 1: the last two years if we had, if we could have, philosophically,
Speaker 1: you'd like to spread that out. But if you don't
Speaker 1: have that other guy, then well when wouldn't you who's
Speaker 1: the guy like Matt five receptions? I'll probably feel like
Speaker 1: you can make up some of that, you know, Josh,
Speaker 1: maybe Zachart's getting out a little more. You spread them
Speaker 1: all around. Ryan mapps. I mean, is that kind of
Speaker 1: yeah or what are you getting the draft? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't. Our team's not set right now. I guess
Speaker 1: the best way to say, you don't know what you have,
Speaker 1: so you know, we may get somebody in the draft.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my god, he's better than I thought
Speaker 1: he was. We need to feed him. You know, college
Speaker 1: and juries much more imperative. Is it to have a
Speaker 1: very very good cauterback at this level and maybe in
Speaker 1: college to be successful, is it not? I think it's
Speaker 1: a I mean I think in this sport, no matter
Speaker 1: what level, you probably better have a really good quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, depending on what system you round. Now what
Speaker 1: some people think is good, you know, it may not
Speaker 1: translate to the next level. But no, I don't see
Speaker 1: um many teams that are that aren't successful that don't
Speaker 1: have really good quarterbacks at any level, whether it's high school,
Speaker 1: college or the process every day and players would earn
Speaker 1: his drab a practice. But do think that's different with
Speaker 1: the quarterback LEAs and like getting the important to have
Speaker 1: a guy that you know is go starting with a
Speaker 1: good game back and guy. No, I think all of
Speaker 1: our guys, once they establish who they are, but they're
Speaker 1: gonna win that position. You know before you get going,
Speaker 1: But in season, we don't make many changes once we
Speaker 1: get going there. But I think everybody the way I
Speaker 1: said is everybody has an ample opportunity before the season
Speaker 1: starts to earn their playing time and to set the
Speaker 1: depth chart season. Or are you still planning? We don't
Speaker 1: have a preseason schedule yet, so I'm not. We're not
Speaker 1: planning on anything, so I don't I don't know who
Speaker 1: we're playing. I mean, I don't think that comes out
Speaker 1: for I don't think that comes out for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. So would you try to avoid that though
Speaker 1: play them in the season? Would you be opposed? But
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we don't have wherever we're gonna scrimmage. If
Speaker 1: we have an opportunity scrimmage, it's gonna be who we're
Speaker 1: playing in the preseason. So it'll all be based on
Speaker 1: what our preseason schedule is. We're not going to go
Speaker 1: train with a team and then we go play the
Speaker 1: whoever the Baltimore and then they go play somebody else.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. It just happened that when
Speaker 1: we looked at our schedule, our schedule came out, who
Speaker 1: are we're playing? You know, we got a chance to
Speaker 1: That's how everybody usually does it, when your schedule comes
Speaker 1: out and say, hey, if we want to get together,
Speaker 1: which game do you want to get together in? Let's
Speaker 1: do it with this team, and then you talk to
Speaker 1: him and see if they if that's something they want
Speaker 1: to do. I mean, I think Bill did it two
Speaker 1: years ago with Tampa and US and then last year
Speaker 1: with Washington and US because they played Washington first and
Speaker 1: they played out a second. So all those get together
Speaker 1: deals are based upon your preseason things, so you gotta
Speaker 1: wait until I do like the philosophically, I like the idea,
Speaker 1: but it depends on who it is, how it's going
Speaker 1: to be run. You know. I was very intune to
Speaker 1: how Bill wanted to do it, and we had a
Speaker 1: great discussion about it. So it was something I was
Speaker 1: on board with. But I don't know if we're gonna
Speaker 1: or not with anybody, just depending on how the preseason
Speaker 1: schedule comes out. Can you just give your insight your
Speaker 1: thoughts on what? Yeah, Um, I love Fletch, the ultimate competitor,
Speaker 1: works his tail off every single day in practice. Um
Speaker 1: is a physical player, um played really well for us
Speaker 1: also on special teams. Um, they're gonna get a guy
Speaker 1: that's a great teammate. UM will buy into Bill system
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. So UM, I think I think rot
Speaker 1: highly about I know, you have to get back to
Speaker 1: it to do what you want to accomplish. Interview off
Speaker 1: the season with the defense and what you're thinking, that's
Speaker 1: still a work in progress. I mean there's a whole
Speaker 1: component to it. So it's not a one day thing
Speaker 1: or a two day thing. I mean there's still players
Speaker 1: available in free agency and there's also the draft coming up.
Speaker 1: So you know, we're we're we're again. It's we're a
Speaker 1: long ways away from playing Sodian Zach Hurts and maybe
Speaker 1: you can do different. You see ye skill set of
Speaker 1: how you guys can use Now. I think he's I
Speaker 1: think he's still growing. You know. I think in Zach
Speaker 1: will be the first one to tell you that. You know,
Speaker 1: I know he's working extremely hard in the off season,
Speaker 1: um At continuing to get better. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: still think there's a big jump that can occur between
Speaker 1: him even from year two to year three. What about
Speaker 1: Ryan Matthews, let's your attraction and ultimately acquiring him. I
Speaker 1: think his style of running physical. Uh, his speed, you know,
Speaker 1: he's got legitimate breakaway speed. He ran for three seven
Speaker 1: at the combine at two hundred and twenty two pounds. UM.
Speaker 1: He's he's also uh physical player and pass protection. UM
Speaker 1: a bigger back. UM. You know, I think you know
Speaker 1: there was there was a reason he was drafted where
Speaker 1: he was drafted that high in the first round. So
Speaker 1: after security, it's offseason season insistency. I just said it earlier,
Speaker 1: and there's times where he's flashed and you're like, wow,
Speaker 1: that's a great play, But I got to do it
Speaker 1: on a more consistent basis. I don't. We'll see, we're
Speaker 1: not playing today, so what if they break their ankle tomorrow,
Speaker 1: then we move them back. That's why it's it's not
Speaker 1: a it is a hypothetical. So I can't give you
Speaker 1: an answer. And then you'll go twenty seven weeks ago,
Speaker 1: you said he was definitely an outside linebacker. Well, Acho
Speaker 1: broke his leg. Two other guys both have salmonilla and
Speaker 1: they're not here anymore, and he's playing inside linebacker. And
Speaker 1: you're like, you said he was never gonna play inside
Speaker 1: linebacker before. So we went into the coaching staff changes
Speaker 1: John Love at Ted Williams and the QBST coach Um
Speaker 1: Well Bill left right, but we've got an offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: position UM and then Ted was transitioned and then discounting,
Speaker 1: I think he wants to watch his son play a
Speaker 1: little bit. Was playing college football now, Um and then
Speaker 1: we made maneuvers where we had to improved our secondary
Speaker 1: sea and right day, I think Ryan was a rising
Speaker 1: star and in football, A lot of people understand that
Speaker 1: he's done as the offensive coordinator Boston College. He's got
Speaker 1: a real good background from Florida to Temple to BC
Speaker 1: and UM a couple of stops in between. U smart, intelligent,
Speaker 1: very good teacher can really transferred from the board to
Speaker 1: his players. You know, I've seen that in action. So
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to have him. I mean I didn't
Speaker 1: really see it, and I heard about it, but I
Speaker 1: was just disappointed. I mean, we gave Trey a great opportunity,
Speaker 1: came in on him Bill Wash Minority internship program. Mister
Speaker 1: Lourie was nice enough to keep him on for two years,
Speaker 1: one on offense, one on defense, seeing if he could
Speaker 1: find a job in the NFL. So I hope Trey
Speaker 1: does find a job in the NFL, but we didn't.
Speaker 1: We don't have a job open did When he makes
Speaker 1: a comment like that and says that he heard it
Speaker 1: from inside the locker room, do you feel like it's
Speaker 1: something that you needed to look into or investigate it all? Now?
Speaker 1: Has it ever been brought up to you now in
Speaker 1: college or prof now? Did you reaware of the report?
Speaker 1: I guess the Tree reference a study that you have
Speaker 1: more white players and you're roster than other NFL team.
Speaker 1: I don't look at the color of any player. I
Speaker 1: just look at how do they fit in our team?
Speaker 1: So I think we're in twenty fifteen. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's something that's ever come into my mindset. You brought
Speaker 1: in Tim Tebo for a workout, you first see the chaser.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, we brought a lot of
Speaker 1: players in for private workouts, so I mean that name
Speaker 1: just obviously people look at it. But there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of players in for private workouts, so we're always
Speaker 1: looking at who's available and making sure if all of
Speaker 1: a sudden we have to make them maneuver. It's like,
Speaker 1: well what about that guy? I have no idea, you know,
Speaker 1: we have a framework of what we worked him out
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, four weeks ago, two months ago. We
Speaker 1: have film on it. We can study it. So, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: so the notebooks work of informational division that you have
Speaker 1: terms of integrating the system from scouting the coaches, such
Speaker 1: a division that you presented to him the song season,
Speaker 1: because maybe just a little clip nose for for it
Speaker 1: what vision is and how you say it. I don't
Speaker 1: think it benefits us to tell anybody else what our
Speaker 1: vision is between at least between scouts and the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: I know that, but I think I don't think that
Speaker 1: benefits anybody thirty one other teams for us to say
Speaker 1: how we do things, even if it's I don't think
Speaker 1: it benefits anybody on the other thirty one teams for
Speaker 1: us to say how we do things so how we
Speaker 1: find m I wonder you still had I had input,
Speaker 1: but I didn't have final say about I stayed out
Speaker 1: of those guys. I've done it with every guy from Oregon.
Speaker 1: I so you guys make your decisions. I had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with it. I specifically with any kid from
Speaker 1: from Oregon that came up. I let you know, I
Speaker 1: let our I let our scouts and coaches do that
Speaker 1: and where they fit. Do I want? I don't know. No,
Speaker 1: I think we've picked. I think a lot of people didn't.
Speaker 1: How's that going to be going for in terms of
Speaker 1: those evaluations. Removed yourself in the past obviously years you're
Speaker 1: fun to say, now, how is that? How's that different?
Speaker 1: I still I when I say I removed myself. I
Speaker 1: never told them how I felt about a player or
Speaker 1: what I know about a player, because I want them
Speaker 1: to make their own evaluation of what that player is.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. You if you didn't want to
Speaker 1: what Tim came in for a private workout, and that's
Speaker 1: why they're private workouts. Chip, if you didn't want a player,
Speaker 1: If I always said we want this guy and you
Speaker 1: didn't want, would you have said, listen, I'm not comfortable
Speaker 1: with that player wanting you. Now I've given I'd give
Speaker 1: my opinion. That's all done before the draft ever happens.
Speaker 1: It's not a it's not a day of the draft.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what are we doing? I mean, it
Speaker 1: doesn't work over. There was a lot of moving parts
Speaker 1: the last drafts, and things kind of kind of move
Speaker 1: while you work while the draft was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's what happens on the draft taking. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: then we're prepared for all that. We go through all
Speaker 1: scenarios of what if this is there, what if that
Speaker 1: is there, what about this, what about that? And then
Speaker 1: everybody weighs in so you're okay with the picks once
Speaker 1: they're pick. Everybody's okay with the picks once there pick,
Speaker 1: they're on your team, right, All right, guys, we're done.