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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Saturday, December twenty seventh, and

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Speaker 1: what the actual hell waking up to the news that

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Speaker 1: Tyler Perry was served with a seventy seven million dollar

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Speaker 1: sexual assault lawsuit on Christmas Day? With that, welcome to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Amy and tj H. There was something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what day? Does it matter? Do you

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Speaker 1: think this was intentional? Why would you file something on

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Speaker 2: That seems like it would have had to be intentional.

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Speaker 2: Who is thinking about filing a lawsuit on Christmas Day?

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Speaker 2: You're doing it? I think to say, f you, I

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Speaker 2: think to say, hey, Mary fing Christmas because that's gonna

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Speaker 2: obviously that's going to ruin. I would think maybe I'm

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Speaker 2: taking a license here to assume what Tyler Perry felt

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Speaker 2: But yeah, that would dampen the mood on Christmas Day.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and again I guess they're able suit because

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Speaker 1: you can file electronically now, so you can do it

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Speaker 1: anytime you want. So obviously a court wasn't open on

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Speaker 1: Christmas Day, but by all reporting out there, this thing

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Speaker 1: officially got filed on Christmas Day. And what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about now, Robes is this is now the second I

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Speaker 1: guess you could call maybe aspiring or up and coming

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Speaker 1: actor to hit him with a sexual assault lawsuit. This

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Speaker 1: one is graphic as hell and it wants a lot

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Speaker 1: of money.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this was filed by Mario Rodriguez, so he is

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Speaker 2: putting his name to the lawsuit. That isn't always the case.

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Speaker 2: But both of the accusers now who accused Tyler Perry

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Speaker 2: of similar wrongdoing sexual misconduct, they both put their names

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Speaker 2: on the lawsuits. They were not John Doe. This one

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Speaker 2: is Mario Rodriguez and he is asking for seventy seven

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Speaker 2: million dollars in damage.

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Speaker 1: Can I s guy, ask you about that point for

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Speaker 1: a second, because you talk about this oftentimes it's usually

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Speaker 1: a woman that's come forward ensuing, but you always and

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Speaker 1: I think the debate has been out there. Why should

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Speaker 1: someone be allowed to remain anonymous and essentially ruin somebody

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Speaker 1: else's life, reputation, and career when we don't know if

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Speaker 1: these allegations are true. You have always said when somebody

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Speaker 1: puts their name on it, it reads a little different.

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Speaker 2: It does read differently. And I am somebody who is

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Speaker 2: of the belief when it comes to something criminal. So

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Speaker 2: if this Mario Rodriguez wanted to take this to police,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely do think there should be some sort of

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Speaker 2: to say what happened to them. So when it's a

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Speaker 2: criminal procedure, I fully support being anonymous because I think

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Speaker 2: it has to be I understand how much that is.

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Speaker 2: That's terrible when you're the one being accused, but for

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Speaker 2: the accuser, that does get people to feel safer to

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Speaker 2: come forward. Now, when it comes to a civil lawsuit,

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Speaker 2: when you want money, I fully think you need to

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Speaker 2: put your name on it, like put your name on it,

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Speaker 2: because now you're not asking for or criminal justice or

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Speaker 2: some sort of authority where you're actually trying to stop

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Speaker 2: a criminal act. You want money. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: that there's anything wrong with that. Obviously we have a

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Speaker 2: civil court system for a reason. But I do think

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Speaker 2: you need to put your name on that. I do.

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Speaker 1: He absolutely has and the name is Mario Rodriguez, even

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Speaker 1: though robes most people have no idea who he is.

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Speaker 1: Because I was saying to you downstairs, you said, wait,

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Speaker 1: are you serious? We were just talking about it downstairs

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Speaker 1: with Ava and like, what was he in? What does

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Speaker 1: he do? And I immediately said he was frat guy

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Speaker 2: I thought you were making just like you're clever like that,

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Speaker 2: coming up with some funny, obscure role that somebody might

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Speaker 2: have in a Tyler Perry movie. And turns out that's

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Speaker 2: exactly what his credits are, frat guy number ten.

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Speaker 1: So we say that to say, not to make light

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Speaker 1: up and coming actor who got this role in this movie.

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Speaker 1: So what he's alleging in the lawsuit very much has

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Speaker 1: approached at a gym in twenty fifteen by an Equinox

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Speaker 1: trainer saying, hey, Tyler Perry wants to meet you, wants

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Speaker 1: That's he says, that happened. It's yes, Bizaarre.

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Speaker 2: Yes. That seems a little strange that somehow Tyler Perry

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Speaker 2: would use an Equinox trainer as his Yeah. I I

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Speaker 2: why his casting director, Okay, why do I need a

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Speaker 1: So again, that's just what he's claiming. He does say

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Speaker 1: that after that interaction with the trainer, he was able

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Speaker 1: of frat guy number ten in the movie In and Now.

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Speaker 1: At this point things started happening roles, and he described

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Speaker 1: several incidents in which he was with Tyler Perry at

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Speaker 1: certain moments, and he described, and this thing is pretty

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Speaker 1: graphic at times, of what he claimed Tyler Perry did.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he says specifically in twenty eighteen, there was an

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Speaker 2: incident where he grabbed his penis, I guess, for lack

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Speaker 2: of a better way to say it, he said he

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Speaker 2: offered him five thousand dollars in immediate and apologized like dude,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and he invited him with the promise of

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Speaker 2: more movie roles. So he went. He said, he went

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's awful. If this happened the way he's describing,

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Speaker 1: that's awful. That shouldn't happen to anybody. Man, woman, doesn't

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Speaker 1: matter the five thousand dollars. The claim is that he

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Speaker 1: he actually got in an uber, he was about to

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Speaker 1: take an uber. Oh you know what I'm talking about,

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Speaker 1: and that it wasn't even an offer. I just shoved

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Speaker 2: Yes, here you go, five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Again, this is just the claim. Now, A couple of

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Speaker 1: issues with this, Robes, I'm curious to what you think

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Speaker 1: about it is that it's coming from what some would

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Speaker 1: say might not be the best source of a lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: not because of the accuser, but because of the accuser's lawyer,

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Speaker 1: who you might not know his name either, but Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Dell Shad. But he also now Robes represents Derek Dixon,

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Speaker 1: the other actor who sued Tyler Berry earlier this year

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Speaker 1: for sexual assault for two hundred and sixty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: In that we'll get into some of those details. But wow,

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Speaker 1: here here we go again. You're trying another one. Is

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Speaker 1: what the suggestion is the same lawyer is well we

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Speaker 1: got nowhere with that one so far, so let's try

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Speaker 1: another one.

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Speaker 2: It's correct a claim, yes, and Rodriguez apparently he claims

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Speaker 2: that he decided to take action and apparently even maybe

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Speaker 2: perhaps use this same lawyer when he heard the news

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Speaker 2: of Dixon's case. I don't know why, because that was

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Speaker 2: in June, so I don't know why he waited until

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Speaker 2: Christmas Day to file his civil lawsuit. Maybe he was

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Speaker 2: getting his ducks in a row. I'm not sure. But

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Speaker 2: he says that this is weird that he decided to

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Speaker 2: go forward as with his claims after a Sean Diddy

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Speaker 2: Combe's referencing friend texted him with news about Dixon's case.

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Speaker 2: It's just I don't know. He's saying that he felt like, Wow,

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Speaker 2: I'm not the only one. Tyler Perry has done this before.

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Speaker 2: There is a pattern of abuse, and I need to

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Speaker 2: speak up and step up and file this lawsuit to

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Speaker 2: protect other people. But he wants seventy seven million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Again, that could that first part of the claim, You

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Speaker 1: could see that could make sense to a jury. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: why in the motivation for stepping forward the numbers, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, But the lawyer says it this way. We

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Speaker 1: hope a jury awards enough money to make Perry regret

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Speaker 1: his actions. Is that why you put those numbers on it?

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Speaker 1: Is that why you have the number that high. But

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Speaker 1: he's claiming what emotional distress? He's claiming what he had?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he has, Actually I have exactly what it was,

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Speaker 2: because he said he has PTSD. He said he has

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Speaker 2: emotional distress and just okay, psychological, emotional, and economic injuries

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Speaker 2: from Tyler Perry's alleged actions against him. So that's what

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Speaker 2: he's claiming.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's talking about that seventy seven million. Lionsgate, the

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Speaker 1: studio that puts out Tyler Perry's media movies, had they

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Speaker 1: have mentioned and named them in this lawsuit as well,

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Speaker 1: claiming that they should have known this was happening, and

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Speaker 1: claims they are kind of a blind eye to their

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Speaker 1: morality clause because this guy's a big deal and he's Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Pert That's exactly they say, Lionsgate, although it's been noted

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Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't print out in this lawsuits. Lionsgate

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Speaker 2: is one word. You know that we've seen that obviously

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Speaker 2: the emblem everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Anybody he's seen a movie in the past twenty years,

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Speaker 1: spell lions lions Gate.

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Speaker 2: It's so odd that it was spelled lions with a

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Speaker 2: capital L space capital G gate. So it's weird. Misspelled

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Speaker 2: the name of the prominent movie production company that they're suing.

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Speaker 2: So that was just a little strange. But lions Gate,

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Speaker 2: they say, should have known.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I thought it was maybe just an oversight. You

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Speaker 2: What if they like aied this or yes, didn't Actually

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Speaker 2: I feel like we have seen judges chastise attorneys these days,

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Speaker 2: because she was like, I can tell you aied this file.

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Speaker 2: And so for the lions Gate movie company to be

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Speaker 2: which is also bizarre. This is kind of a big deal,

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Speaker 2: a big name, a huge allegation, and a massive lawsuit.

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Speaker 2: So why wouldn't you check.

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Speaker 1: You need to be perfect in your facts, in your details,

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Speaker 1: and your words to that. Okay, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: we should make that much up, but it seems like

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Speaker 1: You didn't spell check your damn thing. It's a can

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know if it should

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Speaker 1: be a big deal, but it was something bizarre that

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Speaker 1: some outlets have pointed out. We talked about this. The

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Speaker 1: second lawsuit, the second actor. The first one was Derek Dixon.

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Speaker 1: Again his roles. He wanted two hundred and sixty million,

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Speaker 1: and he had I mean, he had a lot of

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Speaker 1: details in his he had, I mean, he think like

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Speaker 1: some text exchanges and whatnot. But that case is ongoing, yes.

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Speaker 2: And it was filed, as we mentioned in June. It's

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Speaker 2: been moved to federal court now, so it's a little

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Speaker 2: confusing the path it's taking, but it's it's not gone.

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Speaker 2: It's still there and they're trying to move it forward.

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Speaker 2: So now, obviously the second lawsuit, Perry's gonna have to

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Speaker 2: deal with where was this filed in the state of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Uh, the this was LA as well.

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Speaker 2: This is LA as well.

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Speaker 1: So the first one, yes, Derek Dixon, let's go straight.

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Speaker 1: Derek Dickson's case filed in LA. Something about he didn't

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Speaker 1: live there, So they need to put another jurisdic court

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Speaker 1: in Georgia, and now they moved to Georgia, where Tyler

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Speaker 1: Perry resides. So this other guy, the new allegation is

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Speaker 1: in la as well, so we shall see. But robes

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Speaker 1: that case of of Derek Dixon, this was one where

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Speaker 1: Tyler Perry said that this was a scam. Yes, like

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Speaker 1: this guy was actually had done the work to get

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Speaker 1: close to him. Now they didn't give a lot of details,

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's terrible that the once you have an

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Speaker 1: We make clear nobody's making that suggestion, right, We need

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Speaker 1: And it's clear Tyler Perry is not messing around in

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Speaker 1: this case. Also, Robes and I will give you kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's such a good way to put it.

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Speaker 2: to think it might not be.

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Speaker 1: The thing is, we don't know, we don't All we

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Speaker 2: Yes, he is represented by the Alex Spiro, and we

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Speaker 1: One was discussed. It was an allegation that he raked

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Speaker 2: But Alex Spiro was his man and their strategy. It

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Speaker 1: Period and defended Alec Baldwin as well. As you notice

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's who lawyer is that Tyler Perry is now

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Speaker 2: That's sad. Yes, So here was their official statement. Having

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Speaker 1: These are these are awful cases in somebody with that

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Speaker 1: No matter what robes we can, we don't know, but

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Speaker 2: It's tough, but I think the important thing is to

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Speaker 2: But I do appreciate the fact that he isn't settling.

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Speaker 1: And he put a lot into building in over decades.

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Speaker 1: on behalf of my dear Amy Robot. I'm TJ. Holme

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