1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: I just call Hammil's Welcome to the Philly Show. 2 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly Show. Ruben Amar Junior, 3 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury, Todds. We lucky it's Friday, August twenty third, 4 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. Times, my friends, not good times for 5 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: the Phillies. I just got back this morning, so I 6 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: haven't been able to flip on the old radio and 7 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: see what the what the Delaware Valley is chatting about. 8 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: My folks saying, yeah, radio right. 9 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: But I have been reading my tweets and seeing my 10 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: emails and seeing the comments on on Facebook and whatnot. 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 3: And don't you love it when people blame you? 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was the best. 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: You know. 14 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: It's funny when I used when I used to go 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: on with Angelo on WIP in the mornings, I'd go 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 2: on like once a week, right, and Angela would just 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 2: kill me and I would get people calling up. 18 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: Going you so mean, Utah. 19 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 2: But I understood what was going on. You know, you're 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: a sounding boards like why haven't they cut Michael Saunders yet? 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's three weeks into the season. You 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: can't cut an eight million dollar guy three weeks into 23 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: the season or whatever. The case may be right. 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: Well, I'm certainly being blame. 25 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: Still, I'm blaming something you I had, something I did. 26 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: For ten years. 27 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 3: It's your fault. They swing at all those breaking balls 28 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:37,919 Speaker 3: off the plane. 29 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: There were some There was some amateur free agent Ruben 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen that you didn't sign that could have 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: solved this problem if you had just signed him. Some 32 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: dude from Venezuela, whatever or whatever. Really bad bad week 33 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. But I think the thing 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: that jumps out guys is the just the offense, just 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: a terrible showing by the offense. Bat in like one 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: twenty against the Braves this week. The Braves are tired. 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: The final seventeen batters they faced on Tuesday night and 38 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: at one point last night Thursday night, they retired nineteen 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: in a row. 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Awful. It's effixiating. 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: What do you do? 42 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: So here's some of the things that as I'm watching 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: the games. Obviously there's a lot of swing and miss, 44 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: there's a lot of chase. It is clear, very clear 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: that the Atlanta Braves have something on them on the 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: phillies as far as how to attack them and how 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: to get them out, how to and they're executing it, 48 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: and they're doing a very very good job of it, 49 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 1: and you have to give them credit for that. I 50 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: think one of the reasons why it's happening, and it 51 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: happened to us in two thousand and nine, ten and eleven, 52 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: where you're scrutinized so much and scouted so much and 53 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: seen so much that you start to be able to 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: pick apart things that each one of those hitters do, 55 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: and if you can execute, you can have success. I mean, 56 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: if you can pitch and you can execute your pitches, 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: then you can have success. We had that happen to 58 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: us in ten and eleven. It's one of the reasons 59 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: why we got knocked out early in some of those 60 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: playoff races because the execution and being able to pick 61 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: apart the you know, the flaws in whoever's swing, their 62 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: ability to you know, to see what they can and 63 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: cannot do at the plate is being exploited right now, 64 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: and it's being exploited pretty much with almost every hitter. 65 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's a combination of knowing how to 66 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: pitch them and also executing. And the Braves have done 67 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: a nice job of that, and other teams have done 68 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: a nice job of it. So it's I mean, if 69 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: you're scouting and you're watching, whether it's video, whether it's 70 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: you know, you're actually having an advanced scout. You can 71 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: pick up are some people and you can go back 72 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: to some of the film and watch some of this, 73 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure they're intelligent people out there watching it happen. 74 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: And if you need to execute as a pitching staff, 75 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: then you can have some success against this club match. 76 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: Gelb had a great little nugget in his story today 77 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 2: in The Athletic that the Phillies have seen fewer fastballs 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 2: than any team in baseball since the All Star break. 79 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: So it's just off speeds, breaking balls, rinse, repeat, twenty 80 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: twenty three NLCS all over again. 81 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: And they can't lay off that stuff that dangles off 82 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: of the outside corner of the plate and breaks off 83 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: the plate. You know what Rubin says, You know about 84 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: the Phillies in nine, ten and eleven, they were really 85 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: heavily scouted. I think scouting is even more sophisticated now. 86 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 3: Really not a long period of time has passed just 87 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: because the video scouting, they can pinpoint every situation through 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: these you know, analytics they have and really pick a 89 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 3: part of team's weaknesses, and the Phillies just can't lay 90 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: off that stuff. I think there's some over anxiousness, but 91 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 3: they're also a free swinging team that has been prone 92 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: to this before. You know, Leopard don't change his spots. 93 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: I know they worked on it a lot, they talked 94 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: about it a lot, but you know, when in the 95 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 3: competitive situation, you're still going to revert back to usually 96 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: you know what you are, and that's a free swinging 97 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: team that when they're not going good, is prone to chasing, 98 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: prone to try to do too much. And that's what 99 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: we're seeing. I mean, you go to Atlanta, you score 100 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: six runs in three games. That's terrible. It's terrible for 101 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 3: this roster and for this group of players and this 102 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 3: group of track records. You had three extra base hits, 103 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: three doubles, you had no home runs. Team that's built 104 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,559 Speaker 3: a slug. I think they're trying to do too much. 105 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: The selectivity has gone in the tank. And you know, 106 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: they really wasted a couple of good starting outings from 107 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: Wheeler and Sanchez and only lost a game in the standing. 108 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 3: And you know, three days ticked off the calendar. They're 109 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 3: going to play in October they're going to play in October. 110 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: But if they're big guys Swore Harper Turner are not. 111 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: They're big guys and don't play well, they're not going. 112 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: To last long. I think the one of the biggest 113 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: issues is they're not allowing. They're not passing the baton. 114 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: And when you start and you make a great point, Jim, 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Leopards don't change their spots very much. It's 116 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: hard to do it at their veteran stages. But they 117 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: sort of have to be able to be patient enough 118 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: and selective enough to pass the baton, take a walk, 119 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: let somebody else do the job. And that's hard to 120 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: do when you're trying to get back on track right. 121 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 1: You want to swing your way out of your your slumps. 122 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: You're down your down times, and that's a difficult thing 123 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: to do. I've been there myself as a as a 124 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 1: young player. Now that these guys are old enough and 125 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: better enough to be able to make those adjustments, I 126 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: hope and I think that. I think part of it 127 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: has to be like, hey, it's okay for me to 128 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: take a walk. I don't have to come up with 129 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: the big bass hit. I just have to try to 130 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: be have a productive at bat. So productive at bats 131 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: is what it's about. And you string enough productive of 132 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: bats back to back and you got a chance to 133 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: do some damage because that's when it creates stress for 134 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: the picture. And I'm hoping that they can turn that 135 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: piece of it around. 136 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: And when you chase, you create no stress on the 137 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 3: opposing picture. I mean, Rightselle Glacia, it's just right through 138 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: that ninth ending last night. You know the brains, they 139 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 3: got a lot of guts that team. So impressed with 140 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: that team. They have lost four stunts, you know, Riley, 141 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: Albi's Acuna and obviously Spencer Stryder, and they just hang 142 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 3: tough and they hang tough, and the hang tough. They 143 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 3: go out and they get you know, they pick up 144 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: with Merryfield, they pick up g Rshella and those two 145 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: combine a lightning quick double play last night. That was 146 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: to me, big time difference maker in that ball game. 147 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: A lot of guts on that team. 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, the smart move by Alexandthoppolos. I mean you're not 149 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: going to get I mean you're not going to get 150 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: a producer like Austin Riley, but you can get somebody 151 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: who can help you on the defensive side of the ball, 152 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: and those two guys actually on the defensive side of 153 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: the ball helped win that series. They won the series 154 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: because they made unbelievable defensive plays that kept them in 155 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: the game and didn't allowed to allow for extended innings. 156 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: And that's sort of the opposite of what happened with 157 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: the Phillies. 158 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: The double play that Turner hit into is a great 159 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: defensive play at third base. 160 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. 161 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: We look like Masarowski getting rid of that thing. 162 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: He's really really good. 163 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the I think the concern is that 164 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 2: that has everybody worried is that it just seems like 165 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 2: this has gone on so long and they know what 166 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: the plan of attack is and they seem unable to 167 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: just unable to stop it. Like you said, Ruby, you 168 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: can't change Leopard's spots or stripes or whatever you want 169 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 2: to say. That they just can't get it going. I 170 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: mean this series, you look at the numbers, Kyle Schwarber 171 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 2: one for ten, Trey Turner oh for eleven, Bryce Harper 172 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 2: won for twelve, Nick Castiano's one for eleven, up and 173 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: down the lineup, just just nothing going on. And it's 174 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: been that way since the you know, since the All 175 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: Star break. 176 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 3: You know, there's fourteen strikeouts last night. 177 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 2: Fourteen strikeouts last night. I think they had like thirty 178 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: three in the series. They had five walks in the series. 179 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 3: I think they had twenty seven swings and misses last night. 180 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: And I'm not here to bash these guys, but the 181 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: reality of it is, the swing and miss is, you know, 182 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: it's it's epidemic, and it does, it does get contagious. 183 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: You've got to try to make contact. It's been a 184 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: little bit of a topic of discussion this all on 185 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: MLB Network, they talked about it little bit. I don't 186 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: know why the strikeout was became acceptable, but for ten 187 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: or twelve years, it's become an acceptable thing. The strikeout, folks, 188 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: the strikeout is not acceptable, and the strikeout is not 189 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: acceptable because the strikeout you can create absolutely zero with 190 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: a strikeout. There's no chance of ever doing anything productive 191 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: with a strikeout. And so I'm not sure why people 192 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: don't logically understand that, but they don't. And I know 193 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: the pitching's tough, but it just seems like the emphasis 194 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: on making contact and putting the ball in play has 195 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: gone by the wayside. For twelve or fifteen years, and 196 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: I think it's one of the detrimental things that's happened 197 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: to the sport. 198 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: Well, Rob Thompson said last night, they need to think 199 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 2: small big things happen. Think small big things happen. Stop 200 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: swinging out of your shoes. 201 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: I guess. 202 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: Let them try to get the ball back into the 203 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: strike zone and then try to do something with it. 204 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: But don't try to hit a four, you know, a 205 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 2: grand slam every time you step to the plate. So 206 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 2: he seems to be searching for answers too. 207 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 3: I mean, the swings are so big. You mentioned the 208 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 3: last twelve fifteen years. The swings are big, fastballs are big. 209 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: It's power and that's how you can pay it with power, 210 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: and that's why the swings are big, and that's why 211 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 3: the fastballs are big, and that's why the strikeouts have 212 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 3: gone off. 213 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: I'd see, but what I don't understand about it. And 214 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: I studied hitting a lot. I was a very good hitter, 215 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: but I understood hitting. And what I don't understand is 216 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: when you have power and you have speed, the key 217 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: is to be quick with your swing, not big with 218 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: your swing, because that gives you a much better chance 219 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: to see the ball longer and to make contact. That's 220 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: not something that's happening enough, especially with two strikes very rarely. 221 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: And when the Phillies are going well, they do that well. 222 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: They hit the ball the other way. I talk about 223 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: it on the broadcast all the time. When those guys 224 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: are seeing the ball a long time and driving the 225 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: ball the opposite way, that's when they're having their most success. 226 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: Pretty much every single hitter across the board. That's why 227 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Alec Boone's such a good hitters, why brys and Scott 228 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 1: is not the same hitter as he was last year, 229 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: because he's not doing those sorts of things. 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Because we 260 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 2: don't have stuff like that in Wisconsin. You know, we 261 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: don't have you know, like row a house on North 262 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: broad that walk inside and guys are pummeling each other. 263 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: Awesome. It was awesome. 264 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 2: So this week's Phillies Quote of the Week, I had 265 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: to pick something that was in Ruben's guy's Ben Franklin. 266 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my hood, my hood. 267 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 2: Do you even know who the Philadelphia Blazers were? 268 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: No? 269 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: Well, I had to ask you who the Philadelphia Blazing 270 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: So they were a. 271 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: Short lived WAJA team World Hockey Association and they Pilford. 272 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: One of my favorite players from the Boston Bruins, Derek Sanderson. 273 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: He's the guy that set up Bobby Or for the 274 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 3: Stanley Cup winning goal on May tenth, nineteen seventy. Not 275 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 3: that I was a big Bruins fan, but Derek Sanderson, 276 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: Rubin get this. Derek Sanderson goes to the Philadelphia Blazers. 277 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: They played in the Civic Center over by Penn. Yeah, 278 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: he goes to the Philadelphia Blazers, wha signs a sixth year, 279 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: two point six million dollar contract, which at that time 280 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 3: in like seventy three largest contract in sports history at 281 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: that time, two point six million in sports history yeah, 282 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: larger's contract in sports history at that time, didn't you 283 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: know it was surpassed but at that time six years 284 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 3: to two point six million, and wow, we ended up 285 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 3: dissolving the contract. He only played like five or six 286 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: games or whatever eight games, and that the Blazers has 287 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: ended up moving away. 288 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was a serious glue for back then day. 289 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: So this this week's Them's Fighting the Words Quota of 290 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 2: the Week, Philly's quarter of the week. It comes from 291 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: Trade Turner and it's from last night, and I thought 292 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: it was very fitting. This is Trey Turner last night 293 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: in the in the clubhouse. There's still time left. Obviously, 294 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: we want to play well. It started to get to 295 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: that point in the season where it's play well or 296 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: go home type of deal. I don't think we're any 297 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: stress or pressure or anything like that, but more so, 298 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 2: we just want to play well. We know what we're 299 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: capable of and we expect it out of ourselves. I 300 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: thought it was an interesting mention of it's getting to 301 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: that point the season where its play well or go home. Jim, 302 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think they're gonna make the playoffs. 303 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: You know they would, they would have to go in 304 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 2: an epic collapse not to make the playoffs, they still 305 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 2: have a six game lead over the Braves. The Braves 306 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: would have to play insane baseball the rest of the way. 307 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: The Phillies would have to continue on this slide not 308 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: to make the playoffs. But it's not about getting in 309 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 2: this year. It's about going deep into October. And the 310 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: way they're hitting right now, I think that's what has 311 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: everybody nervous or going is this gonna happen again in 312 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: the postseason? Is whoever they play in the NLDS, are 313 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 2: they just going to throw sliders and and off speed 314 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: and breaking balls, you know? And and are they gonna 315 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: be bounced out in the NLDS like the Diamondbacks did 316 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: to them in the NLCS. I think that's what's got 317 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: everybody nervous. 318 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 3: And they're they're playing so poorly that if they keep 319 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: this up, they're gonna end up being the third seed 320 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: and they're gonna right an extra series, and that increases 321 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 3: the chances that you have one of these stretches where 322 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: you're swinging and missing everything in you and you go 323 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 3: home early. So yet to get this going one seating two, 324 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 3: because you want to take some momentum in there. 325 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: Three. 326 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 3: You want to believe in yourself and the fans want 327 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: to believe in you. But it's been a it's been 328 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 3: a rough stretch. They have not played well against good teams, 329 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 3: and they're going to see good teams in October. 330 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 2: So, Jim, what would you do? Would there be anything 331 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 2: that you would do on this roster or whatever to 332 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: get things going. Austin Hayes is supposed to come back 333 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: tonight in Kansas City, probably starting left field, anything, you know, 334 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 2: So I guess Kel Stevenson Probably the. 335 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: Thing I would do is hope Tray Turner puts his 336 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: money where his mouth is. They need him, they need Harper, 337 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: they need forward to. You need your big guns to 338 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: be your big guns need them to play well. 339 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: You know that. 340 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 3: I see some transactions coming. I mean, obviously you pointed 341 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 3: out Hayes is going to come back. I would imagine 342 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 3: Cal Stevenson will go with that something we I think 343 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 3: we talked about last week. I'm pretty much at I'm 344 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: ready to pull a trigger on I mean, you know, 345 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: Brandon marsh is striking out like forty four percent of 346 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: the time this month, and you know, I hate to 347 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 3: lay this at his feet. This this kid they're in 348 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 3: and the struggles they're in. 349 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: It's because to. 350 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 3: Me he's a second tier player. But you know, he 351 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: just kind of looks lost at the plate, and I 352 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 3: would think it's time maybe to send him to Triple 353 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,239 Speaker 3: I bring Cody Clemens, another left handed hitter who has 354 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 3: been hitting really well at Triple A. It wouldn't be 355 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: punitive for Marsh. It would be try to get him right. 356 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: But you know he's just not helping you. I mean, 357 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: this is this is the time when you need you 358 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: need production. And I know he's been a popular guy. 359 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be forever, but try to get 360 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 3: him right and maybe swap him out with for Cody Clements. 361 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, Marsh Marsh in the Brave Series zero for five, 362 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: five strikeouts. Brandon Marsh since the All Star Break, five 363 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 2: twenty three ops, he struck out forty percent of the time, 364 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 2: second in baseball to Luis Robert Junior. Remember Lease Robert Junior. 365 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 2: Everybody thought he was gonna be the answer to the 366 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 2: Philly's problems. He's been even worse than anybody. But at 367 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: five twenty three ops for March since the All Star Break, Rubyn, 368 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: what do you think about to be bringing up Cody Clemens. 369 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 2: Cody Clemens this month in TRIPLEA, for what it's worth, 370 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: batting three twenty eight, eight thirty five, ops, a couple 371 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 2: home runs, not striking out nearly as much. Not as 372 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: good at pitching down there, of course, but he didn't 373 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 2: strike out that much relatively. Speaking to marsh when he 374 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: was up here. 375 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a really super patient person by nature. 376 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: I think you have to be patient in the game 377 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: of baseball. But that said, I think it's gotten to 378 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: the point now with basically two months of like very 379 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: very mediocre to poor baseball in this league to be 380 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: playing at this rate, because frankly, there's not great teams. 381 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: I mean, this Atlanta Braves team is not a great team. 382 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of teams that they're playing. They're not 383 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: great teams. Even the game teams that are out over 384 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: five hundred not great teams. They're no super teams at 385 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: least not the way they're performing. And so for them 386 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: to have performed this poorly for so long, I think 387 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: a change needs to be made. I don't think that 388 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: some of the things that they could be doing base 389 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: running one, I don't see the aggressiveness trade, Turner's not 390 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 1: run or as stolen. I haven't seen an attempted stolen base. 391 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: Part of is because he's hitting in front of Harper. 392 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: Maybe a slide him somewhere else in the lineup that 393 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: when he gets on base, you're not afraid to run 394 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: in front of Harper. That I think something. I think 395 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: some change probably needs to be made, whether it's the 396 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: lineup shake up, whether it's just giving guys who are 397 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: swinging the bat the best more opportunities. Bryce and Stott's 398 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: not been very good. Do you put you know, put 399 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: somebody else at second base for a while. Does a 400 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Mundo Sosa play a little bit? I mean it's time, 401 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: it's time to play, and it's time to be to 402 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,120 Speaker 1: be productive. And there are some people on that bench, 403 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: and there's some people, some pieces that maybe have better, 404 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: more productive at bats. It might be time to make 405 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: some changes, whether it's sending somebody out or changing the lineup. 406 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: I love the stats of what Rob Thompson brings and 407 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: I get it, but at some point, if you're not 408 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: doing your job, and it is pretty evident that a 409 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: lot of guys are not right now, that a change 410 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: needs to be made just just at least to shake 411 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: things up and to see And it's not a panic 412 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: move because he's not. I mean, it wouldn't be a 413 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: panic move. Would be a production move. Listen, they're not 414 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: doing it. They're not getting it done. Maybe as some 415 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: sort of change can shake some things up. It's not panic. 416 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 3: It would be totally justifiable. 417 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: Totally absolutely. 418 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: A couple of months ago, we would have said, what 419 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 2: are they doing? This is ridiculous. They've only been struggling, 420 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: But now it's two months of just media swing and 421 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: miss mediocre baseball. I mean, they've got they're tied for 422 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: the second worst record in baseball since the All Star break. 423 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: The White Sox obviously worse. You know, they're tied with 424 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: the Pirates. You know, the White Sox fire their manager. 425 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 2: The Mariners are right behind the Phillies in terms of 426 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: records since they also break. They just fired their manager. 427 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 2: And that's not what I'm suggesting, but I'm just saying, 428 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: like the teams that they're playing alongside right now, you know, 429 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 2: they're they're like they're making major moves because. 430 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: They're they're they're they're so bad over the past several weeks. 431 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 6: And guess what they're gonna they're gonna face some pretty 432 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 6: darn good starting pitching here in Kansas City. It's one 433 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 6: of the best starting pitching in all of baseball, right 434 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 6: there behind the Phillies and Mariners and some of the 435 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 6: other teams that are up there at the top. 436 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: And believe me, they've been watching them too, so they've 437 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: been watching exactly how they're getting them out. So I 438 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: would suggest, I think you're gonna get a new hitter 439 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: in left field that's gonna help. I think I don't 440 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: know how he's gonna produce. I would suggest, you know, hey, 441 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: change the lineup up. If some guys aren't producing, then 442 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 1: let other people try to get in there to produce. 443 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see I'd like to see something. 444 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: Uh agree. You need to have some type of action 445 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 3: that says this ain't good enough. I mean, they tried 446 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 3: the team meeting thing. There needs to be some action 447 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 3: that says this same good enough. 448 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't think if anybody in there is 449 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: offended by somebody getting optioned or sent down. I mean 450 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: it's you have to really look in the mirror at 451 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 2: that point, right, I mean, you're like, how could we 452 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 2: change anything? 453 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: Stay the course like they've stayed the course. They've stayed 454 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: the course. 455 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 2: A long time, you know, so they gotta they gotta 456 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 2: get going. Yeah, Reuben, you mentioned the pitching matchups this week. 457 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 2: You got uh Taiwan Walker versus Michael Walka on Friday night. Saturday, 458 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: Ranger Suarez is coming back. We don't know what he's 459 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 2: going to look like. They need a good version of 460 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 2: him though, Jim, you said it the other day. It 461 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 2: can't be one of these slow ramp ups. 462 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 3: He needs to look good. And he's been a while. 463 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: It makes you wonder what the heck's going on. Yeah, 464 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 3: and they need to. He needs to feel good about himself. 465 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,239 Speaker 3: They need to feel good about him. He's such an 466 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 3: important contributor as they were building the best record in baseball, 467 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: when they looked like they were invincible. 468 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: Guys, can we talk about the starting pitching because the 469 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: starting pitching has been outstanding. 470 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 3: Really, it's been great, and it wasted. 471 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: It wasted, Reutings. I mean, listen, Aaron Nola wasn't perfect. 472 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: He gave up one. He's gonna give up a home 473 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: run every single game. It's gonna happen. He's going to 474 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: give up a home run at some point because that's 475 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: his track record. I get it. But he kept them 476 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: in the game and they should be scoring runs off 477 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: of that team and they're just not doing well. 478 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: Rat Rubin, you said that just the other day, like 479 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: this starting pitching's got to get going, because you know, 480 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: they just that's what kind of carried them the first 481 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: couple months of the season. Man and man, they really 482 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 2: need the starting pitching to come through now while this 483 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: offense they have no shot otherwise. 484 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the biggest problem I have with the starting 485 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: pitching right now is that they're forced to be perfect 486 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: and that should not happen with this ball club. When 487 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: you have those three guys at the top of the lineup, 488 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: those four guys, excuse me, four guys at the top 489 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: of the lineup. You got to have more production than that, 490 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: you really do. And they're paid to perform, and it's 491 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: been long enough now through the last couple of months 492 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 1: that the performance has not been there. Is it. Are 493 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: they banged up? Are they not healthy? 494 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. 495 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: Uh, they're in there. So if they're in there, they 496 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: should be performing. And it doesn't matter whether they're banged 497 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: up or not. It's time for them to step A, 498 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: step it pay. 499 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 3: And guys, you know, you know the Royals are a 500 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: good team, young right in it need victories, right and 501 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 3: they're playing good. 502 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: They got a guy who's gonna maybe run down Aaron 503 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: Judge for a l m v P. 504 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: But the schedule is tough. I mean, you got Houston 505 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 3: coming in, then you got the Braves again, and then 506 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: the calendar slips flips into September and you get seven 507 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 3: with the Mets, and you know the Mets. The Mets 508 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 3: are pulling off some dramatic wins. 509 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: That's mojo going. 510 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 3: They got some mojo. That isn't going to be seven 511 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: interesting games, especially if the Phillies' right the ship here 512 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 3: pretty soon. 513 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: And then so so Suarez is going against Brady Singer 514 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 2: on Saturday and then Sunday. This is I wonder how 515 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 2: if Rob tom And will change his thinking based off 516 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: what happens the first two games. He said, Zach Wheeler 517 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 2: is scheduled to start Sunday, but depending on how they 518 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: come out of it or Wheeler Wheeler's coming out of it, Nola, 519 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: He's throwing a one hundred plus pitches the last couple 520 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: of starts. They could go to a six man either 521 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 2: make Sunday a bullpen game or call up Kobe Allard. 522 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 2: I think I don't think Tyler Phillips is eligible to 523 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: be to be recalled, but I wonder if they would 524 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 2: scrap those plans if they lose those first two games. 525 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: Anyway, if you win him and go for a sweep, 526 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Wheeler loves to stay on turn. 527 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I just think that might be an urgency 528 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 3: move that you know, we considered bullpen game was considered 529 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: extra rest, but he don't like extra rest. 530 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 2: And he's that's a great point man, and go for 531 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 2: a little jugular action that that that kind of goes 532 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: back to what happened on Sunday, you know, with with 533 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 2: Bryce and JT sitting on the bench, and that would 534 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 2: would have been you know, not that we don't know 535 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 2: that they would have won, but speaks to that philosophy 536 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: and go for the jugular, especially when that guy he 537 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 2: is the guy. 538 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,479 Speaker 1: He is the man, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, 539 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: I think again, I know it's important, and this is 540 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: something that Rob Thomas has priested a lot down the road. 541 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: They need all the they need the health and yeah, 542 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: the but the urgency needs to be there because it's 543 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,959 Speaker 1: not like I know, they have some cushion, but they 544 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: just haven't been playing well, and so you sort of 545 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: need them to ramp up the mojo by playing better 546 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: baseball and winning and what out of you change the mojo. 547 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: You change the mojo by winning baseball games. 548 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 2: Right, It would be a big weekend if they could 549 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 2: somehow get two out of three in Kansas City, But. 550 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: No doubt, and and and I think that would be 551 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: a huge plus if they can get two out of 552 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: three there, huge plus. If they cannot, it's it's still 553 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be an interesting race over the next 554 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: month and a half. 555 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: Man, it's less than a month and a half now, 556 00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 2: especially coming out. 557 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: It's time for them to start playing the baseball that 558 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: you need to play as they wrap towards towards October. 559 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if they have a bad weekend this weekend, 560 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 2: then you come home and to place the play the 561 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: Astros and the Braves and things get off on the 562 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 2: wrong foot on Monday, it's gonna be some unhappy. 563 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 3: It'll be autobut in society, there'll be bluebirds at the ballpark. 564 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 7: I mean, all all the equity and all the joy 565 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 7: that they've created with this team as starting to dissipate 566 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 7: a little bit, but that can be turned around. And 567 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 7: the way you turn it around is by Schwarber hitting 568 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 7: leadoff home runs, Harper coming up with big doubles, Trey 569 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 7: Turner hitting the. 570 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: Home run and stealing a bag. All those things get 571 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: washed away and everything's hunky dory if those guys start 572 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: doing what they totally what they typically have done in 573 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: their careers, and. 574 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: Then they hope in a few weeks ago, remember that 575 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 2: rough stretch where we're in for two months where we 576 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: look terrible, you know, now we're ready to rock and role. 577 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 2: So that's that's the hope. I think every all those 578 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: guys have is that. 579 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 3: We've kind of been saying this now for two weeks. 580 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: It's time to stop saying it, and they need to 581 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: you know, you know, we need to see it or else. 582 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 3: I don't know what the next conversation is. 583 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait to see what our next conversation 584 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 2: is gonna be on Monday morning. 585 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: Guys. 586 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: It's either going to be more of like what the 587 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 2: hell is going on here? Or hey, maybe they got 588 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: this thing turned around a little bit. Going to this 589 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: big seven game homestand so guys, we will be back Monday. 590 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: That was fun as fun as we as fun as 591 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 2: we could make it. It was depressing as hell, the 592 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 2: dooming gloom. We try to keep it entertaining and fun 593 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 2: even as even as it looks like the sky is 594 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: falling and the swings and missus keep coming. So I'll 595 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 2: talk to you guys on Monday. 596 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 1: Thanks Jim. 597 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: This is The Philly Show. 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