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Speaker 2: We saw two young girls walking along the street and

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Speaker 2: And then he said we had to kidnap the girls first,

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Speaker 2: and then he'd show me.

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Speaker 3: These are the words of Claude Tirou describing a conversation

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Speaker 3: with Mark de True just after his release from prison.

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Speaker 2: And I said, listen, I don't go around kidnapping young girls.

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Speaker 2: And he said, look, it's easy. You grab them from

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Speaker 2: behind the neck with one arm, cover their mouths. Then

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Speaker 2: you just throw them in the back of the van

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Speaker 2: I said, no way, I'm not going to do that.

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Speaker 2: And after he dropped me off at home, I immediately called

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Speaker 2: the police and reported it. When I found out about

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Speaker 2: the disappearance of Sheli and Melissa, I suspected that Mark

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Speaker 2: was involved, and I went back to the police. It's

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Speaker 2: too bad they didn't listen to me.

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Speaker 4: Psychopaths is somebody who understands emotions, and.

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Speaker 5: I told them it is a very exceptional that somebody

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Speaker 6: To have been the end of it in nineteen six,

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Speaker 6: but my god, it was just the beginning.

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Speaker 7: I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to la monstre. I'm your host, Matt Graves. The

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Speaker 3: marked the beginning of a new wave of depravity that

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Speaker 3: would change this country forever. It began on the eighth

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Speaker 3: released from prison for good behavior after serving less than

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Speaker 3: half his sentence for thirteen and a half years. His wife,

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Speaker 3: Michelle Martin, marked the day in bold in her journal

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Speaker 3: with just one word freedom. Despite having later claimed that

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Speaker 3: into life with de True. She had meticulously planned his release,

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Speaker 3: the True got the doctor to prescribe him powerful tranquilizers

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Speaker 3: haldol and rhydnol. Hydnol is roughly ten times stronger than

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Speaker 3: So the state granted a psychopath convicted of raping children

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Speaker 6: He was really a master manipulator. I mean, he is

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Speaker 6: a kibosh and known criminal who has been convicted of

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Speaker 6: On top of that, they gave him the kind of

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Speaker 3: As soon as November nineteen ninety two, eight months after

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Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety four, Datru and his wife welcomed an

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Speaker 3: Over the next fourteen months, de True in his accomplices,

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Speaker 3: August of nineteen ninety six, weeks after Letitia de Les

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Speaker 3: You'll recall from episode four that I interviewed a police

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Speaker 8: Mark de dru said that he kidnapped Leticia because Sabine

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Speaker 8: wanted a friend. She wanted me to bring her Julie

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Speaker 3: Two days after taking police to where Sabine and Letitia

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Speaker 3: The fathers of Julian Melissa wasted no time in heading

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Speaker 9: Knowing that Sabine and Letitia were fond, I came to

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Speaker 9: But everything we've said since the disappearance of Julian Melissa,

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Speaker 3: And this is Jean de ni Le Jeanne, the father

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Speaker 5: It's wonderful for the two families to be able to

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Speaker 5: to miss anything. Do you think there could be a

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Speaker 5: In any case, we hope so because it could be

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Speaker 5: And if we could find the end of that threat,

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Speaker 1: It's what we hope.

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Speaker 5: In any case.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to imagine actually hoping that your child was

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Speaker 3: Everyone was on edge as news spread about the search

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Speaker 7: So here we were the fifteenth of August nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 7: I just came back from holiday with my colleague. I

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Speaker 7: This was the calmest day at work you could ever imagine,

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Speaker 7: So for us journalists, we on this Friday, we still

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Speaker 7: We think we made a special edition of twenty pages.

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Speaker 7: We've been working like like hell this very first day

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Speaker 3: The entire nation was glued to their television sets, hoping

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Speaker 3: At six point thirty pm on August seventeenth, nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 12: And I'm actually quite nervous about this. Karine Rousseau is

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Speaker 13: The bridge, arriving in goas a new liege, and I'm

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Speaker 3: Twenty five, almost twenty six years ago.

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Speaker 3: this way. Belgium is actually quite a separated country. The

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Speaker 3: The families of Anne and Effia from Flanders and Julian

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Speaker 14: Melissa, Mimi, Mimi, my little girl. I call you in

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Speaker 14: that is drowning me, silence of your absence, silence of

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Speaker 3: This was written on a cold December night, six months

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Speaker 3: then was not only about missing a rambunctious little girl

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Speaker 3: or could it be something much more sinister. It's hard

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Speaker 3: As people begin to learn about Dtrue's previous crimes of

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Speaker 11: Public outrage at the catalog of atrocities attributed to this

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