WEBVTT - Breaking News Podcast: New Direction? 0:00:06.040 --> 0:00:08.560 The following He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:21.320 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club and welcome into a 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:26.200 special All Star Roundtable podcast to discuss breaking news of 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.600 the last twenty four hours, the Cowboys announcing Sunday night 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.360 that Jason Garrett will not return as head coach in 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.839 twenty twenty, and reports not confirmed by the team at 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.239 this point. That's say Mike McCarthy is the choice to 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.400 replace him. Nothing official yet, but hey, we're here for 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.600 the next hour anyway, so why not just kick it around? 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:48.800 Might be official, it could be. Well, we'll know noon 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.760 Central time if on your Twitter account, Dave, you got it. 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.200 Dave's got the computer far enough, need you to tell 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.240 him that it's true? Please okay, computer phone, He's always ready. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:03.160 That's Stave Hellman, Mickey Spagnola, Nick Eatman, Rob Phillips here 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:06.240 for the next hour. Well, we waited for a week 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.280 for news, and then we got it during the Eagles 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.400 Wildcard playoff game. Yeah, more than all things could bargain for. Like, 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:18.200 literally waited a week for news. Found out about coaching 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.040 interviews before we found out about the last one leaving. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.560 Then we finally Yeah, during an Eagles game. No, less, 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.320 can't convince me that's an accident. There's just no way. 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.760 A lot of Cowboy fans were probably really excited, like 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:35.080 right there, like in the halftime that Jason Okay finally gone, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:36.919 because I know a lot of Cowboy fans are excited 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:38.960 about that. And then the Eagles losing, I mean that 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.240 there you go. It's a nice Sunday afternoon. It's a 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:43.280 nice I mean, maybe not as nice as if they'd 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.399 been hosting the Seahawks themselves, but yeah, not bad. And 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:50.400 then you know, obviously it's just reports. The team has 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.120 not made a statement or confirmed or not anything, but 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.520 sounds like they have chosen their coach. We'll see. But 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.480 I mean, the fact that the fact that it looks 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.280 like they're going ahead with Mike McCarthy twelve hours after 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.720 letting go of Jason Garrett is pretty stunning to me, honestly. Well, 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.480 let's go around the table and talk about those reports. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:13.079 And reportedly Mike McCarthy came in for an interview over 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.720 the weekend. Marvin Lewis, former long time Bengals coach, was 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.560 also in for an interview. But reports this morning Mick 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.000 that they've zeroed in on McCarthy, the long time former 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:27.359 Packers head coach who won a Super Bowl inside at 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.519 Stadium during the two twenty ten season. I believe there 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.320 you go ten years ago, ten years ago? What does 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:37.400 that mean? Just threw it out It's ten years ago, okay, 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.799 all right, the same year that Jason Garrett ironic. Yeah. 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:45.120 And by the way, do you think Jerry Sly as 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:50.440 a Fox wanted something in writing for a new head 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.359 coach before he let the old head coach go? Officially? 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.560 I hope not, but it sounded like he might have, 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.440 but I hope not. Right Mike was he worried that 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.080 he wasn't going to find something that he really wanted that, 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.160 you know, I'm just asking. I threw it out there. Well, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.239 that's what Jacksonville I think did I mean, I don't 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.320 think Jacksonville thought there was a lot of great coaches 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.280 out there, so they went with Doug Marrow, stuck with stuck, right, 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.000 And that's I think what Jerry was saying. But it's 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:19.520 a difference situation here. I hope that's not what happened, 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:21.840 but I think that there's something to that. I think 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.400 he really was looking to see, all right, I've got 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.080 the fourteenth, I've got this date and I'm gonna go 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:29.520 and look and see. And you know the bad part 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.799 about that is that obviously Garrett can't go and do that, right. 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.280 I don't think maybe he could have. Maybe he gave 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.800 him the opportunity. Who knows if he had an opportunity 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.120 to go interview somewhere else before this was made official 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.280 on Sunday that he's not returning. Yeah, would you imagine 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.080 they would have let him do that? But he wanted 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.880 He was asked. The last time he spoke publicly Jason 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.480 did was on one of five Through the Fan a 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:52.680 week ago, and he said, would you when you meet 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.440 with the Joneses, would you like to establish that you 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:57.200 still want to be the coach? And he said, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.840 the Gage wanted he said it after the yeah, which 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.320 maybe I mean, And you know what, that's that's none 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.600 of Jerry's concern, Like, hey, he owns the team and 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:08.920 he had Jason under contract, so he can do what 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.800 he wants. But if that was really what it's about, man, 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.840 that's that's awkward. Like I was just thinking last night, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:17.320 like Mike McCarthy, you know, interviewed over the weekend the 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.160 reporters that he stayed an extra night here in Dallas 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.240 and it was a whole weekend long thing. Like did 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.880 they take him into Jason's office, Like even though Jason's 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.960 still the coach, Like was Jason here? Like, hey man, 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:33.040 remember how you helped me get the Cowboys job, and 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.360 remember how you might be replacing me now, Like that's 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.720 just remember when you threw that challenge flag on de 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.160 taught that ball and it screwed everything up for us. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.680 It isn't It's really interesting how their careers are intertwined. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.800 Like big Game McCarthy beats. McCarthy beats the Cowboys forty 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.760 five seven, setting up Jason Garrett to get the job. Obviously, 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:57.159 McCarthy derailed both of Garrett's best seasons of his Cowboys tenure. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.000 I hadn't even thought about the twenty ten game. Yeah, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.040 Mike McCarthy's Packers got Jason Garrett this job in the 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:06.159 first place. Wade Phillips last game is head coach. Wow, 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.880 Mike McCarthy. I mean, we're not probably sitting here if 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.640 the Cowboys don't lose that game to the Packers in 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:18.680 twenty sixteen. Yeah, you know, fourteen two, But it's sixteen. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.200 Stung a little bit more now, just because you were 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.600 at home, you had home field advantage and the way 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.320 you lost it, right, yeah, with time expiring. Yeah, but 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.680 I mean, you know you can you can make the case. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.920 I mean, some of the greatest coaches of all time. Um, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:35.760 I bet you most of the great coaches of all 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.920 time having Hall of Fame quarterback with them. I mean, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.160 that's just the way it goes. And so you know 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:41.839 a lot of people will say, well, yeah, we had 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:46.040 Aaron Rodgers. Okay, Well, I mean all these guys had somebody, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.920 you know, and Belichick's had Brady and and you know, 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.320 Landry and Noel and all those guys have had Hall 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:54.320 of Fame guys. So I don't know if if you 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.880 can say that it's just that or not. I mean, 0:05:56.880 --> 0:05:59.640 he's the offensive coach, and you know, they had some 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.640 really good players. I know this. They would rotate a 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.640 lot of receivers in there, guys that you wouldn't think 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:08.360 would be you know, starting caliber guys, and next thing 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.520 you know, they're in the Pro Bowl. You know, whether 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.520 or not that's just Aaron Rodgers, I'm not sure, but 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:13.919 I mean I'm sure he has a big part of it, 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.640 that is bear did McCarthy get there, oh six o six. 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.359 He was there from six to twenty eighteen through twenty 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.679 eighteen season went one hundred and twenty five and seventy 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:30.120 seven and two with nine playoff appearances mentioned that Super Bowl, 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.960 also four NFC title games. And by the way, he's 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.800 one of three coaches or four coaches, including the great 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.119 Tom Landry, to make eight straight playoff appearances throughout his tenure. 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:46.679 From he did for for two seasons. Two seasons. Yeah, well, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.039 I mean that's that, that's great stuff. I mean, that's 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.039 I mean, that's what I think that they're looking at here. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:56.479 I believe that Jerry Stephen Will McClay look at this 0:06:56.560 --> 0:06:58.840 and go, you know what, we've got roster of players 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.440 they they believe. Now we can argue all day how 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:04.560 great it really is, but they feel like they've got 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:08.120 a talented roster that maybe needs to be, you know, 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.560 coached better, and here's a guy that's done it. And 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.240 I don't think you can say all that and say, 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.320 well it's because of Aaron Rodgers. I don't. I don't 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.440 believe that. And that's I mean, that's going to be 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.600 the debate about this higher. If that is the higher, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.560 it certainly looks like it is. Once again, reports say 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.160 that it's trying to close our bases here. Yeah, but 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.400 not anothering official from the team yet. Um, but that 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:29.440 that's going to be the debate, is you know how 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.360 much of it is is Mike McCarthy, how much of 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.760 it is Aaron Rodgers. As always, I think the truth 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.360 is somewhere in the middle. Having a quarterback of that 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:41.280 caliber certainly helps you, but it's hard to reach the 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.600 postseason that many times in a row. It's hard to 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.080 win ten playoff games. I don't think you can take 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:50.000 all the credit out of Mike McCarthy's hands for that, 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:53.600 but I certainly think the quarterback plays a role in that. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:58.600 And I think you're absolutely right, like this, this feels 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.680 like a win now higher, Like this is a this 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.840 is a team like Jerry doesn't want to do that 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.360 learning curve thing all over again. If this is this 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.920 guy and that bringing in the analogy you mentioned at 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:14.120 the top of the show, my dear friend Elyssa Cowie 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.320 gave this to me, and I'm the Cowboys beat writer, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:18.720 but I thought it was an awesome analogy. It was 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.400 like Mike McCarthy is Zach Martin. Go back to twenty fourteen, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.720 they had the choice between Johnny Manziel and Zach Martin. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.440 Like that's what it was down to, flashy guy, you 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:34.360 don't know if it's gonna work. Your mercurial talent could 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.640 take you to another level, could flame out spectacularly. And 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.280 in this analogy, obviously that's like a Lincoln Riley or 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.840 an Urban Meyer. And then you have a very proven, 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:49.720 solid guy that's not going to just make make everybody excited, 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.839 like the draft party's not going to go insane when 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:54.880 you draft Zach Martin. But it's a very stable, safe, 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.640 smart hire. And I know, like Zach Martin's gonna go 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.080 to the Hall of Fame. I get that we don't 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.120 know if McCarthy's going to work out that well, but 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.679 I think there's something to that. Well, there's probably more 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.360 to that analogy. I don't know if there's some implying 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.960 going on there, but there's more to that analogy because 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:15.240 if you remember, everyone knows that Jerry wanted yeah, Jerry 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:18.120 didn't want to say, and what happened, Yeah, Steven had 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.520 to go in there and say listen, you know, and 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.080 all the other scout and everyone coach that didn't want 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:24.440 it either, but Stephen had to go and be the 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.679 one to say we got to do this. And I 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.199 think from what from what I've been hearing, I think 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.080 that something similar was happening here. I really do. I 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.200 think Jerry had a hard time letting go of Garrett, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.280 and I think I don't know if it's just Steven 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:40.079 or whatever, but I think there's other people that were like, listen, 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:42.080 we got to make a move here, and so it 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:44.920 was tough that the same thing happened with DeMarcus Ware. 0:09:45.120 --> 0:09:47.080 I mean, Jerry told DeMarcus Ware that he was coming 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.280 back and then he wasn't. So I mean, it just 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.280 that happens. I do know, though, and you might be right. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.800 Jerry was quoted. It was right after the Big twelve 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:58.320 title game because Matt Rule and Lincoln Riley were both 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.360 coaching here, and he said he's like college to pro 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:05.360 is like the hardest transition, Like that's the least likely 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.080 to breed you success, which I thought was interesting at 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.640 the time because obviously Jimmy Johnson came straight from college. 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.520 But he's right in the sense that like hotshot college 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.680 coaches don't have a great track record in the NFL. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.120 So maybe somebody put that idea in his head. But 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.400 eventually I think he came to that conclusion that that's 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.320 a big risk. Well do you do you think that 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:24.480 wasn't what he was thinking. He should have been thinking 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.400 this way, Why do you want to bring in a 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:30.280 head coach to practice on your dime that's never been 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.959 a head coach that doesn't have any FL experience? I 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.880 mean again again, because I mean they did it obviously, Yeah, 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.360 but look at where they were in eighty nine. That's 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:43.640 not the well okay, yeah, talk about I'm just saying 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:48.120 now a college coach, yes, and make that transition or 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.040 bring in a coordinator to practice on your time. But 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.439 that's the risk, right, Like for every time it doesn't 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.760 work out, there's a Sean mcvayh who like had barely 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.080 been a coordinator who got his team to a Super Bowl? Okay, 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:04.240 who else? I see? That's my point, right, Matt Lafleur 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:05.920 is doing it in Green Bay right now. I mean, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:10.080 it happens. It's not like it's Andy Reid at some point. 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.720 These guys never had head coaching experience and then they did. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:14.960 You know, but I see, he was in the NFL 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.559 for a while. I'm trying. I'm trying to think of 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:20.000 another college guy. This trade from college. Now, this franchise 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.640 has a history of it, though they do. Jimmy came 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.199 in and everything changed. Now that was different. They were 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.079 failing and you got a new owner, right, and they 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:32.920 were terrible. Switzer I mean, yeah, Switzer was actually I 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:35.720 mean Switzer came in on a team that was ready 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.080 to win. Right. He was Queen Elizabeth. Okay, I don't 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:44.719 get that reference. Sorry, he was the monarch, the figure head. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.080 The queen doesn't run the country right now. Jim Hart Okay, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.880 Jim Harbaugh, I don't know if you can say Pete 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.920 Carroll's in that category because he was an NFL head 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.400 coach then went to college out of the game for 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.000 a long time. Yeah, he was in college for a while. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.680 There is precedent for it. But to your point, Jerry 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:04.360 was asked about college coaches kind of dancing around. You know, 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.839 this is when Jason still had the job late in 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.120 the season, and he mentioned that college coaches it's the 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.880 track record is not good. And I think Nick's right. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.959 They feel like this is a roster that should have 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.800 done more than it did this year. That's young, but 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.599 that's talent and won ten games and got to the 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.640 second round two years ago. I guess I was just 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.040 arguing with you, Mick, but I really I feel like 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.120 I'm coming around to that point of view. Is like 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:32.480 I was intrigued by the Lincoln Riley's of the world, Like, yeah, 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.920 like maybe this won't work out, but maybe it could 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:39.240 take you to a level unprecedented at least in recent memory. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.640 But then you look at and you look at everything 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.440 McCarthy has done in his career. You look at what 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.680 he's accomplished, You look at his experience in the league. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:48.880 He hasn't just worked with Aaron Rodgers and Brett Farve. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.120 He got some good seasons out of Aaron Brooks in 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.240 New Orleans. He was in San Francisco for a year. Like, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.199 he's got a lot of experience. And then going back 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.640 to Aaron Rodgers. Does not Mike McCarthy deserve some credit 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.920 for developing him in the early going of his career. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.319 I mean, he didn't come out of the womb as 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.600 the best quarterback in the league. Yeah, because if you remember, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.080 they played against Brett Farve under Mike McCarthy in two 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.680 thousand and seven here at Texas Stadium and Aaron Rodgers 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.800 up and then and then they took off second half. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.120 And so for all of those reasons, And that's why 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.360 I think Zack Martin thing is such a good analogy 0:13:20.400 --> 0:13:24.319 because this is not sexy, but neither was that. But 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:27.240 if he does his job and learns from his experiences 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.880 in Green Bay the way that people think he can, 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.160 it could be a heck of a higher well. It's 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.880 also very similar to Wade Phillips as well. You know, 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.120 been back in oh seven when you're like, okay, this 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:40.079 team was, you know close, and you know that that 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.120 OZ six team and part Parcels took him pretty far. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.520 But then you know they were ready to kind of 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.320 move forward and they just needed a different voice, you know. 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:49.920 And I think a lot of the a lot of 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:54.000 the players actually liked what Wade brought as opposed to Bill. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.880 You know, it's different, but they needed Bill, it was. 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.880 That's the tricky part here, is that they needed that 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.280 from three to six, that team was ready to go, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.000 you know, not that Wade took him over the top. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.680 He certainly didn't, but neither did Bill. I mean nobody 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.679 has really it was almost like a breath of fresh air, 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.760 like they needed some relief. And actually that's what happened 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.800 from Jimmy to Switzer at the time. At the time Jimmy, 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.960 Jimmy was grinding that team and they needed a breath 0:14:22.000 --> 0:14:24.360 of fresh air. So Switzer comes in and he's kind 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:27.640 of an opposite coach, and the same thing happened with Wade. 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.840 Now we'll see what happens here, but think about it. 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.640 If the premise was he didn't want to bring in 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.960 a college coach, or he didn't want to bring in 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.840 a coordinator to practice being a head coach, from a 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.040 guy with head coaching experience that hadn't been out of 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:48.400 the game that long, who were the other candidates. I 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.160 don't want somebody that's been out five years. You know 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.640 they're going to come in because they forget how hard 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.320 you have to work to be successful. You know. It 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.680 sounds to me, and I don't know everything that went 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.320 on this last year, but it sounds to me that 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:06.840 what McCarthy did in twenty nineteen could be the reason 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:09.720 that he's that he's hired just the stay as anybody 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.240 as anything else he's done. He stepped with right, do 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:13.880 you guys know a little bit more of that story? 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:15.400 Why don't we take a break and get into When 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.640 We Come Back? 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It just seems like breaking news or 0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:35.880 Beverly Hills cop four or something like that. But I mean, 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.840 it just it seems like, you know, get the horn 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.800 going off, like big stuff happens here. That's right, it's 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:45.800 what they say reportedly. Anyway, Well, we know Jason Garrett 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.520 is not coming back, the press release from the Cowboys 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.800 last night that they will not seek a contract extension 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.520 with Jason after nine full years as the head coach. 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.400 And now twelve hours later we get reports that Mike 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.600 McCarthy might be is on his way to town. All 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.400 of the like, you know, all of the reflection pieces 0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:05.760 on the Garrett era like went out the window because 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.960 like you know, you're kind of you're still digesting the news. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.360 You're like, we saw this coming, but it finally happened. 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.200 But then before you can even really get your ducks 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.919 in a row on that, we're onto potentially hiring the 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.120 next head coach. Sorry, Jason, life comes at your fast, 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:23.960 it really does. Yeah, all right, Nick, we broke the 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:28.040 last segment talking or teasing what Mike McCarthy has been 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:31.560 up to last twelve months since he parted ways with 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.760 the Packers after the twenty eighteen season. Pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.560 I alluded to it. I'm probably not the right person 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.359 for it because I haven't read it all. Have y'all 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:44.320 actually read this, Okay, But basically he spent last year 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:47.040 and he's got like a team of coaches that, you know, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.479 it very it's very reminiscent to like what John Gruden 0:19:50.840 --> 0:19:53.040 was doing, even though he was at you know, out 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.320 of coaching, he was still like evaluating tape and players, 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.160 and it looked like that McCarthy had assembled a team 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.520 of coaches to to really study the game, not be 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:06.800 you know, away from the players, the draft guys, and 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.080 then also really taking analytics into equation as well, and 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:13.480 just making sure that they don't stay too far out 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:16.679 of this mix here and and stay you know, you know, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:19.480 kind of up to date with everything that's happened happening 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.159 in the NFL. Yeah, I mean he's he's been camped 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.960 out at his place near Green Bay. A bunch of 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.360 other coaches have been part of it with him, Jim Haslett, 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:31.199 who he goes way back with, and that it's I 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.119 don't know, part of me is intrigued and impressed because 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:36.679 you know, he's he talks about like embracing analytics and 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.200 embracing a lot of the changes that have taken over 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:41.840 football in the last ten years. Part of me is 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.080 also like, man, this is a hell of a prs 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.680 like a PR stunt, like you know, and this this 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:52.280 story dropped Tom Pellisero, who's a great reporter for NFL Network. 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:55.400 It came out in like early December, which is right 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.480 around the time where jobs are starting to kind of 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.720 align and you kind of have an idea of what's 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:03.679 gonna be open. Good for him, man, Like that's he 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:06.760 interviewed for every job, right, every job that's been open 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.040 he interviewed for I did. I don't know if he 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:14.080 actually took those interviews. Reportedly Brown's Giants and Panthers. Okay, 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.560 so he's at least linked to those jobs. Yeah he was, 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:22.399 I think, yeah, he didn't do. But which, hey, use 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.560 the media to your advantage. That was something that I 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:26.959 never thought Jason Garrett did a good enough job of, 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.320 Like he just wanted to do his thing. He wasn't gonna, 0:21:30.400 --> 0:21:33.000 you know, play in the media. And that's it's admirable 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:34.800 in its own right, but like, you can use the 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.280 media to your advantage, and I definitely think Mike McCarthy 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.240 did that. There's a blurb from the story, just real 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:44.320 quick that Tom Pellisera wrote, Dave mentioned this kind of 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.520 unofficial coaching staff that he put together in the offseason. 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.840 He said, together they've spent months preparing as if they're 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:53.600 the thirty third coaching staff, from studying league trends and 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:56.640 rebuilding playbooks to deep dives on analytics like Nick said, 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.760 and mapping out a calendar for practices and meetings all 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.320 the way through training camp. McCarthy also did a deep 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.680 dive on himself, going through boxes dating to his early 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.360 days as an assistant at Pittsburgh and with the Chiefs 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:11.040 to study how his philosophies have evolved over the past 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.040 thirty years and where he needs to go from here. 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.600 Nick saban know about that. I thought Alabama was the 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:21.440 thirty third team. So having said this year, sorry, does 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:25.040 he know who his defensive coordinator is going to be? 0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.639 Sounds like Jim Haslin was, you know. Yeah, No, I 0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:32.560 wonder though, like I'm well, I wonder if, like you know, 0:22:33.240 --> 0:22:35.560 they have this whole thing in Green Bay and they're 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.840 the thirty third staff. But Mike McCarthy gets this call 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:42.440 and he's like, aciate you guys, appreciate your health. I 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.280 get to take two. Yeah. No, seriously, He's like, I 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:49.560 only got two tickets. Uh, yeah, I don't. I have 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.240 a hard time believe in like that's that staff is 0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.840 not coming here in full. I don't know the National 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.200 title game next week. Yeah, I got tickets to Paradise. 0:22:57.240 --> 0:23:01.200 Don't remind me. I think defense coordinator. I mean, I 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.160 wouldn't be surprised if he's already been interviewed. That's kind 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:06.720 of well. I would imagine when you interview, that's one 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.320 of the questions they ask you, Marvin Less, we're talking 0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.880 Marvin listener, No, I'm talking Mike McCarthy. Who's your defensive coordinator? 0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:17.040 Nick was implying, and I could see that happening also 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:21.200 if that's who he wants. You know, I know what 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.760 people think, and they can't be one hundred percent wrong, 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.960 because you have to interview a minority coach before you 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:31.440 can hire anyone, and they did that right off the bat. 0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:36.280 But I'm telling you that Marvin Lewis was not just 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:40.840 strictly Rooney rule. I promise you he's not. And if 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:44.320 it wasn't, then if it's not for that what you're suggesting, 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:48.080 it's let me pick your brain about defense, right, and 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.880 then you know what you're looking for if it's not him, 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:53.800 But that occurred to me. Also, Marvin Lewis has been 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.000 a head coach in the NFL for almost twenty years 0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:59.840 yea with one spot, taking the Bengals to multiple playoff 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:03.720 parents is I mean, he's a qualified, outstanding coach who, 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.200 by the way, has a super Bowl ring for defense 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:08.840 with maybe one of the definitely one of the greatest 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:10.720 defense we've ever seen in Baltimore in two thousand he 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:12.920 was the defensive coordinator that Ravens team. But you know, 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:14.560 it has to be said that he has not won. 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:16.360 He did not win a playoff. I'm gonna say if 0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:20.159 you're and his credentials are fantastic, and that's great, but 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.120 like if you're taking it at face value that they 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.359 were interviewing him to be the head coach, he couldn't 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.480 take his team to the round that Jason Garrett couldn't 0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.320 get passed, and that's that just was never gonna sit 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:33.960 well with Cowboys fans, Like he couldn't get out of 0:24:33.960 --> 0:24:36.159 the wildcard round, and it was it wasn't like he 0:24:36.200 --> 0:24:38.359 was always getting into the wildcard round at nine and 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.639 seven either, Like he went one and done with some 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:43.040 twelve and four teams in Cincinnati. You know, if I 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:45.680 remember correctly, Jason Garrett might have been the first guy 0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:49.080 to interview back in two thousand and seven. If it 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.600 wasn't him, it was three guys on the staff already, 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:56.840 the Todd Bowles and I believe Sperrano. Maybe he was 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.280 certainly hired, yo way he was hired, but I'm just 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.800 saying he was. He was interviewed for the head coaching 0:25:01.880 --> 0:25:05.119 job and became an assistant obviously the offensive coordinator. So 0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.240 maybe maybe that happens. I don't know, though, I don't 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:10.080 know if McCarthy Marvin Lewis. I don't know if that 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.639 if that works there, but it's neither do I. But man, 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:16.280 that would be that would be some next level maneuvering 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:19.920 by Jerry Jones. If you interview a candidate that satisfies 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:25.000 the Rooney rule, hire Mike McCarthy, and then slot Marvin 0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:28.080 Lewis in as his defensive coordinator. And it's funny because 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:32.159 any fan will say, you can't hire Marvin Lewis to 0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.600 be your head coach, but will immediately be like Marvin 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:37.320 Lewis as the DC. You got me listening now, like 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:41.000 like Wade Phillips exactly a veteran guy with skins on 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:44.480 the wall. He's coached Ray Lewis, he's coached Ed Reid, 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.680 he won a Super Bowl with the greatest defense of 0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:49.879 all time. Blah blah blah blah blah. That sounds awfully 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:52.879 intriguing to me when you think about this defense having 0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:55.840 a lot on talent and not a lot on leadership. 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.600 And there's another point. He's available, Yeah, very available, because 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.720 when you put a staff together, you may have all 0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:04.600 these guys you like, they may not be available. So 0:26:05.359 --> 0:26:09.119 you know, right now, name me an available defensive coordinator 0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:11.480 that you would sink your teeth into. And that's hard 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:15.159 to Yeah, I mean to start. Oh, no, that is 0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:18.160 a name that kind of saying is available. Well, he's 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:21.920 on the Saint staff. I don't think he's a linebacker. Yeah, 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:25.440 but but that you might. We've talked about this before. 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.240 I mean, you could be quality control. And as long 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:30.960 as you're not getting right offered as the head coach, 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.360 you're still under contract, right, and you have to look 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:36.560 at what his contract is, yeah, which and that's never public. 0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.600 Although I Mike Nolan's name has gotten thrown out there. 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.640 Um he was. McCarthy worked for him for a year 0:26:42.680 --> 0:26:45.879 when he was the forty nine ers head coach. I 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:49.960 don't see any other corresponding moves. But I mean, obviously 0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:53.359 a long time defensive coach in this league. Dad was 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:57.879 coach here, right, Yeah, Yeah, So there's yeah, there's ties 0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:00.320 there a late great Dick Nolan that's gonna be that. 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.640 I mean, and again for the eighteenth time, they're nothing 0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.680 official has been announced. It certainly sounds like McCarthy's going 0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:08.840 to be the ninth head coach of the Cowboys, but 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.760 it's not official. But if it is, the next question 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:14.639 is what does that mean about this staff? Because for 0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:17.040 all the guys that are out of contract, there's just 0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:20.159 as many that are under contract, several of whom I 0:27:20.200 --> 0:27:24.000 think Jerry Jones probably wants to keep around. And is 0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.840 Mike McCarthy willing to play ball with that? And I 0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:29.720 this is just me. If this deal gets done, then 0:27:29.840 --> 0:27:33.800 we'll find out pretty quickly. I just I just have 0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.240 this gut feeling that there's I mean, there at least 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:38.639 two two names come to mind immediately, Kellen Moore and 0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.840 John Kittna. And I just feel like I wonder if 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:46.600 Mike McCarthy kind of had to acquiesce and say, you know, 0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:48.320 if I'm going to be your head coach, yeah, I'm 0:27:48.359 --> 0:27:51.040 willing to play ball and keep those guys around. Well, 0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:54.720 there's nothing wrong with Kitna being your quarterback coach, right sure, 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:56.880 And if you think about what some of these other 0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:01.800 head coaches are doing, you can keep Kellen Moore to 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.480 do all the coordinator work and then you're the guy 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:07.919 on game day sort of the way Bill did it. 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:12.040 He had coordinators, they weren't coordinators. Bill called the plays, 0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.240 he passed. He had a passing game and a running 0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:18.840 game coordinator and Peyton Haley. And there's nothing wrong with 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.280 having a young guy kind of do all the leg 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:25.119 work during the week and then and you're not freed up. 0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:27.720 That's what people are doing, right, I mean. And McCarthy 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:30.480 was the Packers play caller for most, if not all, 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:32.720 of his tenure there. I looked this up. He there 0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.679 was one year in twenty fifteen he gave it up. 0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.040 He gave it up to Tom Clements and I looked 0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:40.560 up the stats. They were twenty third in total offense, 0:28:40.960 --> 0:28:43.320 fifteenth and scoring and he took it back to you. 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.520 I had to say one year. I knew that if 0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:47.520 you did it for one year, well, you know, if 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:52.160 you remember twenty fourteen, they were on the just on 0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:54.880 the cusp of the Super Bowl again, had an error 0:28:54.920 --> 0:28:59.880 on special teams. I believe you. See you keep saying that, Yeah, 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.480 you keep mentioning the dropped on site kick, but you 0:29:02.560 --> 0:29:05.320 don't ever bring up the thirteen point lead in the 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.800 fourth quarter that just dwindled away. Actually, I think it 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.960 was bigger than that, that's honestly, And like I said, 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:12.360 I gotta do is fall on the ball and you're 0:29:12.360 --> 0:29:13.880 in the Super Bowl. All you gotta do is like 0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.160 coach a better fourth quarter and you win that game comfortably. 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.400 That's honestly. All the officials have to do is see 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:22.160 that Dez caught that ball and they're not even in 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:27.680 that game. That's that's a different conferenation. That's much different conversation. No, 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:29.080 I want to go back and look at this, but 0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:31.520 my point is they lost that game, and I think 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:34.560 there was nineteen to seven with eleven minutes to play. 0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:37.120 The word was that after that loss, he wanted to 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.080 be more of a walk around guy to kind of 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.240 keep the pulse of everything, and the offense wasn't what 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.240 it normally was with a healthy Aaron Rodgers in twenty fifteen, 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:46.840 and he took it back. So yeah, he has been 0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:49.720 buying large. I believe the play caller in Green Bay 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:51.600 for many years. I mean, I bet Sean Payton has 0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:55.560 an offensive coordinator. Do you think Carmichael anything more than 0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:59.880 just a title because he's doing it, So you would 0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.960 need somebody to do that, and you need probably somebody 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.960 on the staff to retain that has some connection to 0:30:07.040 --> 0:30:09.640 the team. Yeah. Yeah, I remember Wade Phillips said that 0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.080 several years ago when he joined the staff. He said, 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.680 you know, coaches will always do that. You never just 0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:18.400 just wipe out the entire staff, because what happens is 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:20.480 is that you end up making the same mistakes on 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.520 these guys, you know, So it is good to have 0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:24.880 a couple of holdovers to say, all right, tell me 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.240 about him, and if not, because you you're just gonna go, well, 0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.720 this guy's you know, this guy looks great. What's the problem. 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:31.560 And you know, they kind of have some history there, 0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.240 and the perceptions already out there that Jerry's going to 0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:39.080 force these coaches on Mike McCarthy, But I wouldn't view 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.960 it as forcing No, it's kind of like Matt Rule 0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.080 turned down the Jets job last year because he didn't 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.240 want that. And if McCarthy does sign a contract to 0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:51.120 be the Cowboys coach, it's because he agreed in principle 0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.800 that this that he's okay with whatever is going to 0:30:54.040 --> 0:30:56.640 remain over from the last staff. I would assume he's 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:59.280 not going to sign onto a job without having a 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:01.440 pretty clear idea of what Jerry wants to do with 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:03.880 the staff. And I'm sure and also, when coaches interview 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:05.920 for jobs, they've always got a short list of who 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.080 they would hire and who they want, So I'm sure 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.040 that you know that's part of the discussion here. Yeah. Oh, 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.240 that's the first question they ask you during the interview. 0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:14.960 It's like, what kind of staff you're going to put together? Well? Yeah, 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.480 and and basically I think I think it's the other 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:20.200 way around too. I think that the coach ask how 0:31:20.200 --> 0:31:22.080 many guys do I get? I know that that's what 0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:24.200 happens in college. You're like, all right, I get go 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.080 to this place, I can take four with me. I 0:31:26.080 --> 0:31:28.600 can go this place, I can take seven. So I 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.280 bet you Mike McCarthy has a number of how many 0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.080 people he can take and which guys are going to 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:38.680 stay Where I wonder is where does if at all? 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:42.240 But where or how does Jason Witten factor in here? 0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.920 Because you know he could be a coach on staff. 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:47.960 I mean, from what I've been told about Witten is 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:50.040 that you know, yeah, he wanted to be a head 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.960 coach somewhere, and he still might. But if he has 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:55.480 an opportunity to go and learn from some people's, some veterans, 0:31:55.560 --> 0:31:58.160 and this would be one of those cases, you know, 0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:02.000 maybe he's got a role somewhere. I believe Doug must 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.400 nuss Meyer is out of contract, yes he is so well, 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:08.240 and Win hasn't announced what he wants to do, no, 0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:10.480 but he has said that at some point in his 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:13.040 life future he would like to get into coaching, as 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.040 his grandfather did it, his brother's doing it. I was 0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:19.640 actually on a similar line. I was thinking, um, you know, 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:23.360 because McCarthy obviously was in Green Bay forever. They drafted 0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:25.080 Randall Cobb while he was there, So a lot of 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.880 people kind of tie those you know, connect those dots, like, oh, 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.200 maybe this helps their chances of bringing back Randall Cobb. 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.040 Mike McCarthy's also from Pittsburgh. Which is where Sean Lee 0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:36.240 is from. And I don't think they really have a 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.320 history together. But I was like, damn, connecting those just 0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.760 just reaching, just grabbing at straws right now, why not 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.480 don't that's an interesting that's interesting. Well, I mean, I 0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:49.480 think there's going to be a new linebackers coach. That's true. 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.920 Ben Bloom is out of contract. I believe it's the 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.160 team doesn't tell you. They don't know none of It's 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.720 these coach contracts really like they do players. But that's 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:02.560 the reports. I think probably need to hire the defensive 0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.680 coordinator before we hire the linebacker. I'm gonna say that's 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:09.280 there's gonna be if this would do it, you would 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:14.480 think this sounds like it should be official by midweek. 0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:18.000 And if that's the case, then you get the ball rolling. 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:19.840 I mean, I said last night that I would be 0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.960 surprised if they went to the Senior Bowl without a 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.840 head coach. Obviously, like that definitely looks like it's gonna 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:27.320 like they're gonna have a head coach when they go 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.520 to the Senior Bowl. But let's say, I mean, let's 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.680 say they finalized this Wednesday. That gives them almost two 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:35.960 weeks before they even go to Mobile, Like I would 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.000 assume they'll have a pretty finalized staff by the time 0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:41.000 they get to Mobile. I think would be an advantage 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:43.360 to do that. Yeah, and you know, if this does 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.040 get done, and again it's not official, maybe we shouldn't 0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:51.600 be surprised that it's taken a few days because you know, 0:33:51.760 --> 0:33:53.560 Jason was in the final year of his deal. There 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:55.640 was not a commitment to him beyond twenty nineteen, so 0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.240 you had to know Jerry and Stephen had a shortlist 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:00.920 of what they wanted to do plans if this didn't 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.160 work out, and obviously it was a disappointing finish to 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.600 the season. Well they should have if they were due 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:07.880 and their due diligent, right, you got to have a 0:34:07.920 --> 0:34:11.719 list just in case. And I think that's question they did. 0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.600 I think that's what weirded people out though, And I 0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:17.279 think y'all's theory sounds right that they didn't want to 0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:20.359 just step out on Jason Garrett until they had a 0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:24.280 good contingency plan in place. But I think most people 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.719 would say is like, at this point it needed to 0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.520 be somebody different, even like it just needed to be 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.600 another guy. Even if you didn't get the Mike McCarthy like, 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:36.480 you just got to try something new. So the thought that, 0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.400 you know, let's say, well, if the Panthers had like 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.600 snatched Mike McCarthy out from under you on Friday, you're 0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:45.200 really just gonna meet with Jason again and be like, 0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.920 all right, let's run this thing back. Like that doesn't 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:50.560 sound like a good idea at all. And I think 0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:54.400 I think Mike McCarthy is probably you know, some fan bases, 0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:56.400 and there's some fans out there that aren't really that 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:59.680 excited about it. But you know, I think that he's 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.879 into a good situation because for the most part, like 0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:06.600 you said, just anybody knew was what fans will want. 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.840 And so if this guy's done it and he's actually 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:12.400 been to the place that Garrett couldn't go, you know, 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.839 the championship Game, obviously Super Bowl. I'm sure there are 0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:19.439 people out there that don't like it, but I think 0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:23.120 most people are probably at least okay with it. For 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:24.959 a lot of the reasons that we've already talked about 0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.839 is like he doesn't have to learn on the job. 0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.680 Like Mick pointed out, he's been here before. He can 0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:35.040 command authority in the locker room. He's obviously with whatever 0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.080 you say about Rogers, like, he's gotten his team deep 0:35:38.080 --> 0:35:41.080 into the playoffs, and so with a roster like this, 0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.120 you can just plug and go and if it doesn't work, 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.160 then two three years from now you're like, well, let's 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.120 start this thing over. And but it'll be a drastically 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.400 different team by that point, you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:55.360 older team for sure. Most playoff wins since two thousand 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:58.799 and six for coaches, Bill Belichick has twenty. The next 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:02.600 guy is John Harbaugh and Mike McCarthy at ten. So, 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:05.680 like you guys said, he has done it. And the thing, Dave, 0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:10.680 I know you're talking about college coaches and guys that 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:13.440 have a lot of bright ideas that would be interesting candidates. 0:36:13.560 --> 0:36:17.560 But to me, if they hire McCarthy, they're getting they're 0:36:17.560 --> 0:36:20.480 getting that, but they're getting the experience with it. Because 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.120 I said this on our podcast, our Joint podcast last week. 0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.600 If you're gonna move on from Jason Garrett, you're gonna 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.600 pay Dak Prescott a lot of money one way or 0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:31.759 another next year. This year, whether it's the franchise tag 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.160 or a long term deal, he's coming back. You gotta 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:35.799 get every penny out of that you got to make 0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:39.279 sure he is can reach another level than what he 0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:41.920 did this year, which was a terrific season. Thirty touchdown passes, 0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:45.200 almost a franchise record in passing yards. That's got it. 0:36:45.520 --> 0:36:47.880 That's my opinion. It would be your main investment to 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.000 get as much as you can out of Dak And 0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:51.799 I don't know if there's a better guy out there 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:54.400 to do that than McCarthy based on his resume. So 0:36:54.520 --> 0:36:58.719 you guys talked about McCarthy being with Aaron Rodgers or 0:36:58.840 --> 0:37:03.120 Brett Farve. Yeah, how many did Belichick have? Twenty? Say 0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:07.719 again Belichick twenty? Yeah, he had a pretty good one too, 0:37:07.760 --> 0:37:10.520 any of those without Brady? No? No, did he get 0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.640 one in Cleveland? Maybe? Oh? Well, I don't think so, 0:37:13.840 --> 0:37:18.000 Mick I dodn't think anybody's going to minimize his record now. 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.360 But then then you look at hardball. You know, in hardball, 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.440 is that probably going to pass McCarthy? I would imagine. 0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:26.640 I mean, we'll see what happens in the playoffs, because 0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.959 as we saw this past weekend, you know, there's there's 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:34.359 some good, strong parody in those top twelve teams. And 0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.360 you know what three road teams won. Yeah, and the 0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:39.719 fourth one was over time, and you know, Buffalo had 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.360 plenty of chances to win that game, or you know, 0:37:42.560 --> 0:37:45.319 not plenty, but they had chances enough enough chances to win. 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.200 You know, that was that was a good game. And 0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:51.000 so what I'm saying is going back to hardball, he 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:54.719 I mean, he's won with Flacco. I guess is that 0:37:54.800 --> 0:38:00.680 it was that was Billick, Billick, it was. I mean, 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:02.720 it's been Flacco. I mean, they got to the playoffs 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.360 last year, but they lost to the Chargers, I believe. Yeah, 0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:07.880 I don't know if he's won a game without Flacco yet, 0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:09.840 I'd have to look. But he's a guy that's totally 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:13.720 readvented himself in terms of embracing analytics, they say. And also, 0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.279 nobody in their right mind is putting Flacco in the 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.279 conversation with Rogers and Brady either. Oh no, no, he 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:21.120 had a heck of a playoff run in twenty twelves, 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.640 I guess. And that's like I'm coming around on this 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:28.040 idea because to your point, McCarthy is like, he's got 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.680 proven credentials, but you've also like you've watched him, right, 0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:32.400 if you know football at all, you've watched him for 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:36.120 a decade, like like he's kind of stubborn with his playbook, 0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:39.520 Like his late game management doesn't seem amazing again, you know, 0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.359 kind of bungled the end of that NFC championship game. 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:45.600 It's all stuff that every coach does. But anybody that's 0:38:45.600 --> 0:38:48.120 watched football for the last fifteen years has seen it. 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.680 You know, they've watched Packer games and they're like, oh, 0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:52.839 I don't know about this. Mike McCarthy, like you kind 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.040 of let's say he's like he's at like an eight, 0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.520 like you're getting an eight, and that's great, But then 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:02.680 you think about, let's just for example, use Lincoln Riley. 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.239 He could be theoretically, in your mind, he could be 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:10.160 like the Sean McVay who's like a ten, and you know, 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:13.480 the entire NFL world is talking about, like, look how 0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.080 Lincoln Riley has changed the game. Like remember how absurd 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.960 it was with Sean McVay last year. It could everybody 0:39:19.000 --> 0:39:22.000 getting hired around the league Kingsbury because you're looking for 0:39:22.000 --> 0:39:24.440 the next McVeigh and it could be that, and the 0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:28.520 potential is intriguing, but the risk that it doesn't pan 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:32.200 out is obviously what scares you. And so McCarthy. Like 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.520 I said, it's just a steady good hire. It's probably 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:38.120 like you're not just jumping for joy about it. But 0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:40.319 I can't knock it either. Sorry. Can y'all think of 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.000 a game where Garrett kind of like messed up at 0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:44.919 the end of the game and didn't they didn't win 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:47.160 because of late game management. Can y'all think of a 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.839 specific game. I mean, I'm not saying it didn't happen. 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.839 It happens. You know that, you can, you can. There's 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:56.040 a few losses there. I mean, I know it's happened, 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.640 But like to come up with one shocking example, Well, 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:02.880 the one he gets accused of and wrongly was the 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:09.880 end of the game, but he had kicking coach and 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.480 his special team's coach running down the sideline yelling at 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:15.360 him to call time out because they got on the 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:18.120 field late. I think My point to that is, I 0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:20.280 think and there's some fans I know that that are 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.120 they're oh, this game, in this game, But rarely do 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:26.319 they ever say, well, what a great job by that 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:31.080 coach to win that game and ten playoff wins for McCarthy. 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.839 I guarantee you it happened where they did a nice 0:40:33.920 --> 0:40:36.560 job stretching the Cowboys was one of them. I mean, 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.880 and in that game in fourteen and in sixteen, actually 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.759 think about it, he did. His best decision in that 0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.520 fourteen game was to challenge to catch, right, he threw 0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.399 a red flag. Yeah, that that won the game for him. 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:53.000 I'll always I'll always be annoyed about the way Garrett 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.440 handled the end. Coincidentally enough, the end of the twenty 0:40:56.480 --> 0:41:00.920 seventeen Packers game, they didn't try it. They didn't try 0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:02.640 it all to run time off the clockt and just 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.839 gave Rogers the ball back with like forty eight seconds. 0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:07.799 So you wanted your cake and eat it too, right, No, 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:10.040 you wanted to make sure you didn't lose. I want 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:13.480 you also wanted to run the time up. Look at 0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:17.520 Sean Payton yesterday, right, Oh, Sean a lot of stuff. 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.000 He could have spent a time out and saved ten 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:22.759 seconds and that that honestly, that time out to the 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.680 to the locker room. This kind of proves My point 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.560 is like, if you've watched any coach for long enough, 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:30.680 you've seen him screw stuff up. It's it's just that 0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:33.400 we're so close to it here, and the fans are 0:41:33.440 --> 0:41:35.399 too because they're following their team. It's but you only 0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.200 see it here. But I mean the Packers are just 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.160 like the Cowboys. Like if they're playing a moderately interesting game, 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:42.120 it's going to be on national TV. They've been in 0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.840 the playoffs more than almost anybody over the last decade, 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.279 so you've had a lot of chances to see Mike 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.760 McCarthy screw stuff up. And that's if you're not excited 0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.239 about this higher that's probably why. And it doesn't mean 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:55.960 he's a bad coach. 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There's your music, nick Like 0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.920 it sounds like an air raid. Welcome back inside the 0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:31.160 s WBC Mortgage Studio. It's been about eighteen hours since 0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:34.400 the Cowboys announced Jason Garrett would not have his contract renewed, 0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:37.920 and now we've got reports that Mike McCarthy might be 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:42.600 on his way to replace him, and Mick left us 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.360 with a wonderful tease a few minutes ago. If it 0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.799 is Mike McCarthy as the cowboys ninth head coach in 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.680 franchise history, what's the bar for him? Yeah? What's the 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:55.560 what's the what is it for success? What does he 0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:58.439 have to do? I think we know. I mean, yeah, 0:44:58.440 --> 0:44:59.799 it's the same as it was. So what do you 0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:03.239 do if you don't get a new guy? I mean, 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.480 so every year you don't go to Oh no, no, no no, 0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:09.520 you're to some degree, this is a clean slate, right, 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.560 Like Mike McCarthy doesn't have to He doesn't have to 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:14.719 get to the super Bowl next year to keep his job, 0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:16.319 get to the playoffs? What about that? What if he 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.279 goes eight and eight? Have you seen that? What if 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:21.120 he goes eight and name? So, do you realize that 0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:25.560 in Garrett's nine years, eight times either went to the 0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:28.800 playoffs or had a chance in game fifteen or sixteen 0:45:28.840 --> 0:45:31.560 to go to the playoffs. Eight of the nine. Yeah, 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.680 but how many did he get there? I just said, 0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.440 so the next guy better be that close, if not better. 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:41.640 McCarthy went like eight years and art not here. I know, 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.719 but I mean that sounds really great, like it's a 0:45:45.719 --> 0:45:48.680 great statistic until you remember that he lost most of 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:51.279 those I got it, I got it. Yeah. And the 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.520 fact that those you know, those teams were eight and 0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.000 eight and lost in the last game of the year 0:45:57.160 --> 0:46:00.359 to go to win the NFC East, which meant that, 0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:03.520 you know, nine and seven I think won the NFC's 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:06.319 that just goes to show how bad it really is. 0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:08.800 I mean, you know, when when you're when you're getting 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:11.320 to play the same six teams that are all bad, 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:14.239 you know, that's that just kind of goes to show 0:46:14.280 --> 0:46:16.440 just how average or below average or team really was. 0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:18.200 I think one of them went ten and six, I 0:46:18.239 --> 0:46:20.040 can't remember which one. They were eight and eight, and 0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.239 I thought they had a chance every year, but they 0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:26.719 the team that they were nine and seven and a 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:31.279 few ti It's actually it's that's a point I thought 0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:33.080 of earlier in the show. I pulled up the Packers 0:46:33.160 --> 0:46:37.080 playoff history, and something that jumps out to me is 0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:40.600 like when he gets there, or when he has gotten there, 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:44.120 his team is successful more often than not. And when 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:46.279 I say successful, I mean they win a game at 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:50.480 least like twenty ten. Obviously, this story'd run through the 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:54.000 playoffs as a wild card. They won games in twenty twelve, 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:58.480 They obviously twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, and twenty sixteen. You're 0:46:58.520 --> 0:47:03.440 winning at least one, if not multiple games. Ironically, I 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:05.960 think they went they went one and done three times. 0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.760 Once was a twenty thirteen team where you know, Rogers 0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:11.479 broke his collar bone and they barely got in two 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.480 thousand and nine, early in Rodgers career, they lost in overtime. 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:18.160 They also they went one and done with like arguably 0:47:18.200 --> 0:47:20.200 the best team of the modern era, the fifteen and 0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:23.000 one Packers, lost to the Giants in their first playoff game. 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:26.640 That sucks, but way more often than not, when he 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.360 has gotten to the playoffs, they've managed to put a 0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:32.759 run together. So that's intriguing at the very least. Here's 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:36.560 how I kind of define it. The expectations one of 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:38.680 the frustrating parts. I know, they haven't been to a 0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.480 Super Bowl or won a Super Bowl in twenty five years, 0:47:42.480 --> 0:47:46.560 but they also haven't They've been on this roller coaster 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:48.800 track of getting in and not getting in, and getting 0:47:48.800 --> 0:47:51.520 getting in and not getting in. And there are certain teams. 0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:54.080 I mean, you look around the NFC, it's hard to 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.360 win a Super Bowl. The Eagles have won, the Saints 0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.920 have won. Sean Payton all those years one, Mike mccarth 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.360 and Aaron Rodgers all those years won. Seahawks won. But 0:48:03.480 --> 0:48:05.640 those team you point to those teams and they're usually 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.280 in the field. They at least give themselves a shot, 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.960 And to me, that's got to be the expectation that 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:15.080 every year we're in and and watching these games over 0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:17.440 the weekend. It's a crapshoot. These are all close games. 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.439 There's not much difference between these teams. But that's got 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:22.080 to be the more of the consistency that I think 0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:24.319 the Joneses are looking for. That's just my opinion. I 0:48:24.320 --> 0:48:27.040 mean that point a lot. And there have been different 0:48:27.080 --> 0:48:29.960 reasons for why not, obviously, Mick. I mean, twenty fifteen, 0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:32.960 they lost their quarterback. Twenty seventeen, you lost seek for 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:36.040 six games. You know, there have been reasons for it. 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:38.480 It's not all on Jason Garrett. But what year was 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:42.360 it in Washington, Twelve or thirteen when Romo was playing 0:48:42.400 --> 0:48:45.480 with the back that needed surgery, um the final game 0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:49.759 and yeah, I'm getting so twelve they lost the last 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:52.279 game in the year to the red Skins. Thirteen he 0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:54.880 heard his back in the second to last game and 0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.840 then couldn't play the last Kyle Orton played against Philly. 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:01.080 That's so, you know, some bad for Jason Garrett during 0:49:01.080 --> 0:49:05.319 this run, There's no question about it. But that's the expectation. Yeah, 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:08.160 you know, they just gotta give themselves more chances at this. 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:11.680 There's been bad luck, obviously, but you know for nine years. 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:13.520 I mean I was gonna say, like there has been 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.920 bad luck, but a decade long trend. Like I said, 0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:17.960 I mean, he's had a long time in the chair. 0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:21.000 There's no doubt about twenty thirteen the I mean the 0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:23.359 Packers had a similar thing happen to them. They didn't 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:26.000 have Rogers for the meat of the season. They actually 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:29.280 came down here with Matt Flynn and overcame a twenty 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.360 six to three deficit to keep their playoff hopes alive 0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:34.879 and wound up winning the division on the last day 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:38.279 of the year. So there has been some bad luck, 0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.640 but you can overcome bad luck a lot of times too. 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:46.160 I am intrigued Orton throwing that interception on the last position. 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:49.000 I'm intrigued looking at this, like, Okay, oh seven, they 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:50.960 make it with far oh eight, they don't make it 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:54.560 in Rogers's first year, and then from nine to sixteen 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:57.320 to your point, like they're in it every year. Of course, 0:49:57.400 --> 0:49:59.879 Aaron Rodgers is a big part of that, but that's 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:04.240 pretty shocking consistency. And these weren't all world beater teams, 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:06.839 by the way, and one year they didn't. They had 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:10.120 a rookie quarterback took over for Rogers. Yep, and here 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:12.480 a kid from you. So yeah, I know you're talking 0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:17.799 about Hanley or Huntley. Um. You know the thing is 0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:20.799 is you can you can say, well, no, they they've 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.440 had the best quarterback or one of the best quarterbacks 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:26.680 in that time. But who have been the running backs? 0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:29.160 I mean, I don't know. I've mean that there's been 0:50:29.200 --> 0:50:32.840 a bunch of them. Uh, Lacy and you know different. 0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:34.879 I can't even think of all all those guys. Got 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.120 a couple of good years out of Lacy obviously. Jones 0:50:37.160 --> 0:50:39.000 and Jamal Williams have been there for the last two 0:50:39.120 --> 0:50:42.359 or three years. Montgomery at one point going i'd have 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.479 to I mean, I want to say I'm on mine, 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:48.200 but he did not play for Mike McCarthy. It's kind 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.799 by years and with the Pats you got Brady and 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.359 then it's kind of a rotating cat. So so if 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.080 you know, Mike McCarthy should be a good enough coach 0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:58.720 to like, all right, because all the really good coaches 0:50:58.760 --> 0:51:00.319 to say, all right, what do I have? They can 0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:02.439 work with that. So no, he doesn't have the best 0:51:02.520 --> 0:51:05.080 quarterback in the NFL with the best arm. He's got 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:08.640 a young quarterback who can you know he can he 0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:11.400 can win some games. He's going to be as competitive 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.839 as you'll get. He's not the most accurate of quarterbacks, 0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:17.000 but he can throw the ball around, you know, evident 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.000 by those yards. But he does have one of the 0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.439 best running backs in the in the NFL, and so 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.640 maybe from that standpoint that you know, the game will 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:26.600 be a little bit different. It's it's not he doesn't 0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:28.640 have Rogers, but he has Zeke and that's something better 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:30.719 than he's ever had in those teams. I think. I 0:51:30.760 --> 0:51:34.240 think that's an amazing point. Rob is like, I mean, obviously, 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:36.600 the goal is to you know, reach your first conference 0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:39.040 title game and when your first super Bowl and forever. 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:44.600 But barring that, get be in the conversation every year. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.720 And that's that's been the maddening thing about the Cowboys, obvious, 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:49.600 I mean, the maddening thing is that they haven't won 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:51.600 a Super Bowl since ninety five. But on top of that, 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:55.080 they can't sustain success to save their lives. And I 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:58.200 will say this, it's weirdly formulaic at this point. It 0:51:58.280 --> 0:52:05.000 go it's playoffs heartbreak slash disappointment playoffs disappointment going back 0:52:05.080 --> 0:52:07.839 for longer than I care to recount. I'll say this though, 0:52:07.880 --> 0:52:11.160 it is hard to do because how many teams they 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:13.719 go to the Super Bowl one year don't even make it. 0:52:13.760 --> 0:52:15.759 The Rams are the latest team, but there's been a 0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:17.840 lot of teams like that that it does speak to 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.239 the parody. I mean, it's not easy to do. Half 0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:22.919 the playoff field turns over every year. So why didn't 0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:27.239 Bill be able to accomplish that? Bill parcels ourselves here 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.279 at the Cowboys. Well, he was starting kind of from 0:52:30.280 --> 0:52:33.080 scratch in two thousand and three and was the greatest 0:52:33.120 --> 0:52:36.279 coroaching job better arguably, Yes, And then what happened to 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:40.480 oh four, he lost his quarterback, Yeah, you know the 0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:43.080 quarterback quarterback. You know, it went with a forty year old, 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:45.759 and they weren't They weren't as good. And in the 0:52:45.760 --> 0:52:47.960 next two years they were nine and seven. But you know, 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:51.960 they caught a hot streak there. Actually they were ten 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:59.719 in six, I believe with with Ramos with Bloods playoffs 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:02.840 and we'll drop the snap. That's what happened. So the 0:53:02.920 --> 0:53:05.680 last time they went to playoffs back to back years 0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:08.320 oh six and no seven six O seven And how 0:53:08.360 --> 0:53:10.960 about this that which won't be changed next year and 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:14.960 it can't be changed until two years, not since Chan Gailey. 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.800 Chan Gailey's the last coach that has led the Cowboys 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:20.480 to back to back playoffs in six and he got 0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:23.319 fired right ten, six and eight and eight, Yeah, and 0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:26.359 he got fired. Yeah, but no coach in Cowboys history 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.920 has gone to the playoffs two straight years. Parcels couldn't 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.520 do it. And then when Parcels did it and oh six, 0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:34.399 Wade came into next year. So they have gone back 0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:37.520 to back years. Well, I mean Jimmy did it since 0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:40.279 Chan Gailey? Oh I thought, I thought you said in 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:43.000 Cowboys history and then obviously Tom Landry. Yeah, not the 0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:45.239 same coach has done it in back to back year, 0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:47.719 which is which is really impressive. When you look at 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.520 that statu McCarthy and these teams, you know, that's that 0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:53.000 just blew my mind and Chan and Chan basically got 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:56.239 fired because he couldn't win a playoff game. One year 0:53:56.360 --> 0:54:00.360 he gets wiped out by Minnesota and then the next year, 0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:03.440 first year with Arizona, Arizona was the first year. Okay, 0:54:03.480 --> 0:54:05.879 here's a question that falls in line with that, if 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:09.520 this deal is signed and finalized, how long do you 0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:12.200 think it would be? How long is the contract? Like 0:54:12.239 --> 0:54:15.480 coaching contracts, head coaching contracts are typically five years, right, 0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:18.480 that's what Jason had right a couple different times. How long? 0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.279 I mean four or five years? I'm sitting here with 0:54:21.440 --> 0:54:23.160 I mean, you might be right, and I mean, Mike 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:26.920 McCarthy's arguably the most desirable candidate on the market. He 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.399 might have demanded that, But like the reason I ask 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:32.359 in the first place, is this roster seems like it's 0:54:32.400 --> 0:54:35.560 set up now, you know what I mean? Yes, two 0:54:35.719 --> 0:54:39.400 to three year window. I think you've got a maximum 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:42.279 of four years that you can expect this offensive line 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:44.799 to play at this level, and it's probably less than that. 0:54:45.120 --> 0:54:47.799 You've got a maximum of like four years where Zeke 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:51.000 is really in his prime, DeMarcus Lawrence will be thirty 0:54:51.040 --> 0:54:53.240 and three four years, all of that type of stuff. 0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:57.120 And so is this a situation where it's like we're 0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:00.560 gonna give you three years because like we're not building 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:04.719 from scratch. The team is here and not my point? Yeah, exactly. Well, 0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:06.879 and like I said, I don't know if McCarthy would 0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:10.120 be willing to sign a shorter deal. But that's the 0:55:10.239 --> 0:55:12.239 vibe I get is like most teams when you sign 0:55:12.280 --> 0:55:14.239 a new coach or like this is the start of 0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:16.840 an entirely new era. We're gonna do all this new stuff. 0:55:16.840 --> 0:55:19.879 Like here, it's just like the team's here, let's let's 0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:21.840 get over the hump. And I wonder if that affects 0:55:21.920 --> 0:55:25.960 their expectations for when he does it and how quickly, etc. 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:27.840 That's a great point. I mean, I feel like the 0:55:27.880 --> 0:55:31.480 team is here offensively, but defensively, there's a lot of questions. 0:55:31.480 --> 0:55:33.760 There's a lot of guys up for free agency. Yeah, potential, 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.919 it's gonna be a new look defense's coordinator. Yeah, that's 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:39.640 that's gonna be an important hire for whoever is the 0:55:39.640 --> 0:55:43.640 head coach, if indeeded, but wouldn't h Yeah, they were 0:55:43.680 --> 0:55:45.920 three four for a long time with Dom Capers. But 0:55:46.000 --> 0:55:49.040 they don't have three four defensive ends here. They do 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:53.399 not not they do, but one he's been suspended for 0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:57.799 like two years. Oh, Randy Gregory, he's not totally could 0:55:57.840 --> 0:56:05.200 play linebacker. Yeah, three No, talking about three four edge rusher. 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:08.400 You're right, they don't have any true three Crawfords. Crawford 0:56:08.440 --> 0:56:13.040 could play it, yes, and that's about it. Malik. Now 0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:15.200 here's the thing about Malik free agent and he's a 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:18.279 free agent, but he was at one point he was 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.040 first on the team in quarterback pressures. Now I think 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:24.279 he finished second or third, but he's right up there. 0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:26.799 Twenty five twenty seven. That's a lot of pressures for 0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.440 a guy that's playing the one in three, So getting 0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:31.880 up the field and holding your blocks and all that 0:56:31.880 --> 0:56:34.680 stuff at the same time. He might be able to 0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:36.640 do that. Now does he want that as a free 0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:38.400 agent or does he want to just say I'm going 0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:40.640 to take the money for a position that I did 0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:43.520 him good at. You know, um, but I'm just saying 0:56:44.000 --> 0:56:47.520 you could do they have the three four rushers right 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:50.800 now that you're right about it, Randy Gregory, that's perfect 0:56:50.840 --> 0:56:54.960 for him. But I mean, yeah, I mean it's mainly kidding. Yeah, 0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:57.839 which and I couldn't imagine even if that was in 0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.680 the long term plans, like Kim Smith, can't imagine them 0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:04.560 making that Smith think about it. Three four rush Yeah, 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:07.400 but that guy's got a cover now. But he's covering 0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:11.279 now kind of yeah, And who do they pick on 0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:14.719 when he's covering? Does he have the length like the 0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:18.320 I mean Randy Gregory's fingertips touched the ground. I don't know. 0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:20.760 I don't know if Jalen's got the length to that 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:22.760 might be what I want him to do. What's your point? 0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:25.640 Swipe up there? What's he done? Probably the best is 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:27.960 go forward? Yeah, and make plays forward. He has a 0:57:28.040 --> 0:57:30.439 knack for it. He's savvy doing it. Now. I guess 0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:34.360 it must be stated we don't know. Yeah, we don't 0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:38.320 know the status rod change in the formation. Chris Rochard, 0:57:38.320 --> 0:57:40.720 who interviewed with the Giants for their head coaching vacancy 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:44.400 last week. Um, but yeah, we'll see what happens. There's 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:46.520 a lot of questions to be answered. Still, would you 0:57:46.560 --> 0:57:50.680 agree with me? Like this is not a defense that 0:57:50.840 --> 0:57:54.240 needs to be like utterly rebuilt. Like the pieces are 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:58.480 in place for them to be good. Maybe not like 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:02.560 absolutely elite, but I mean, if you're taking over a job, 0:58:02.560 --> 0:58:04.600 you're like, Okay, you have a you have a Pro 0:58:04.680 --> 0:58:08.200 Bowl caliber edge rusher. Um, you know you've got two 0:58:08.320 --> 0:58:11.360 really really good linebackers, assuming one of them comes back healthy. 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:13.480 I mean that's two. When levels of your defense can't 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:16.280 agree with you, there real questions. I really don't because 0:58:16.520 --> 0:58:19.160 because they're not even under contract. Those guys aren't under 0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:22.040 CONTRACTE Well, the three you listed, but one of them 0:58:22.080 --> 0:58:25.080 hasn't proven that he's ready to play yet in Layton, 0:58:25.160 --> 0:58:26.720 and that one that scares me because he's got a 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:30.360 neck injury. And Jalen Smith, I I don't know. I 0:58:30.400 --> 0:58:32.720 think he took a step back. I mean he didn't, 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.440 there's no come out. Took a step back. So I 0:58:35.480 --> 0:58:38.160 got questions with Tyrone Crawford, I got questions with Malik 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:42.840 Robert Quinn, Byron Jones. I don't Cheeto got benched later 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:45.120 in the year, Jeff Heats the free agent. But you 0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:48.120 needed an upgrade anyway? Where did it not take the 0:58:48.120 --> 0:58:51.280 next step? Jordan Lewis? Will you know Jordan Lewis is 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:53.000 a good player. I think they should they should try 0:58:53.040 --> 0:58:55.080 to They should try to keep him for sure. But see, 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:58.720 and what we're talking about is talking pass rush and 0:58:59.000 --> 0:59:03.479 pass defense, and they can't stop the run. I didn't 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.160 say that there wasn't any work to do. I just 0:59:05.200 --> 0:59:09.000 know there's more pieces in place that can't expect the run. 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:12.280 When you are replacing a coach, they can't think about 0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:14.640 why they lost some of those games. They couldn't stop 0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:16.920 to shoot. Yeah, which we don't know what's going to happen. 0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:20.240 Maybe they'll actually be willing to invest in defensive tackles 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:26.600 this offseason. Well yeah, another change, and do you change 0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:30.200 the concept of your defense, like the philosophy of get 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:32.760 up the field, get up the field, and when they 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:34.800 were getting up the field, the other team was going 0:59:34.840 --> 0:59:37.280 down the field the other way. A really interesting point. 0:59:37.360 --> 0:59:38.960 I know we're running out of time, but you know 0:59:39.800 --> 0:59:42.560 there's a you know, just following people that are familiar 0:59:42.560 --> 0:59:45.200 with the Packers on Twitter. Bob Sturm is a lifelong 0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:50.560 Packers fan. Kevin Turner, Um, it'd be an interesting dynamic 0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:53.520 if McCarthy is the coach in terms of his dynamic 0:59:53.560 --> 0:59:57.400 with the front office, because Green Bay couldn't be less 0:59:57.480 --> 0:59:59.720 like this, Like Ted Thompson when he was there, like 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:02.320 he in the Shadows, he doesn't talk to the media, 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:05.520 He does his own thing. He doesn't necessarily even to 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:07.600 interact with the coach on a regular basis. We all 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.640 know it's the opposite here, Like it's much more involved. 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.960 The general manager is the most public figure in the franchise. 1:00:14.040 --> 1:00:16.400 That's I'm going to be interested to see. I think 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:19.040 it's gonna be a huge departure from what he was 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:22.080 used to in Green Bay, hopefully for the better. Well, 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:25.360 he understands he took I mean, he had an other job. Absolutely, 1:00:25.400 --> 1:00:28.480 he had our other interviews, right, so whatever, you know, 1:00:28.520 --> 1:00:33.920 the platform is, he understands going in. So many questions 1:00:33.920 --> 1:00:36.000 to be answered. We hope to get in to do 1:00:36.040 --> 1:00:38.760 another hour if you were to, we really could, really could, 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:40.240 but I think we're out of time. I can go 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:43.280 to twelve twenty. Oh, you got stuff to do. That's fair, 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:45.280 that's fair, That's all right. We I mean, we'll call 1:00:45.280 --> 1:00:48.200 it aday. We got reports that Mike McCarthy might be 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:50.440 the next head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, not confirmed yet. 1:00:50.480 --> 1:00:53.080 Stay tuned to Dallas Cowboys dot com for all of 1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:54.880 the late breaking news. We'll let you know if we 1:00:54.960 --> 1:00:58.880 hear anything. Officials shows tomorrow on Wednesday, Yes, right, I 1:00:59.000 --> 1:01:01.919 believe talking Cowboys. You back at eleven, Okay, those guys 1:01:01.920 --> 1:01:06.240 are back, yeah, and Hanging with the Boys will be 1:01:06.280 --> 1:01:08.840 at twelve that day. So and the draft show starts 1:01:08.880 --> 1:01:11.040 on Thursday. Not that that really has anything to do 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:15.040 with this, Okay, Brian, I'm excited. Who's all with you? 1:01:15.720 --> 1:01:19.160 It'll be me, Kevin Turner, Jeff Kavanaugh. If you listen 1:01:19.200 --> 1:01:21.720 to our stuff, you're probably familiar with them. And my 1:01:21.840 --> 1:01:25.040 guy Kyle Yeoman, who's in the back right now joining 1:01:25.160 --> 1:01:29.560 us this year. Excited about that. Yeah, buddy, I thought 1:01:29.560 --> 1:01:33.600 that was a guy back there. That's Romo. Yeah, Romo face. Yeah, 1:01:33.640 --> 1:01:36.840 it'll be good. It was Kaden for a second. Kate 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:39.080 is always in here. We gotta get kayten in front 1:01:39.120 --> 1:01:42.160 of the camera. Yeah, well all right, not today. Thanks 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:46.760 guys for thank y'all for joining us. Stay tied, tried, 1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:51.880 stay tuned for all breaking news of Dallas Cowboys. This 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:54.640 has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 1:01:54.800 --> 1:02:03.160 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Minute