WEBVTT - Ex Machina with Olivia Gatwood 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.600 On the Bechdecast, the questions ask if movies have women 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:08.000 and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:11.879 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy. Zeph and 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:18.079 Beast start changing with the Bechdel cast. Cluck cluck, full 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.040 clutch cluck. Queen, how are you? 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:24.600 I'm doing so great? How are you. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.840 Never been worse? And I cannot overemphasize that. But today 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.239 we are here to release I think kind of a 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:38.360 banger episode. Oh yeah, we're unlocking an episode from our 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:42.520 Patreon aka Matreon. If you enjoyed this episode, you should 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.480 obviously be subscribing. It's five bucks a month and it'll 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.040 give you access to over one hundred and fifty episodes, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.920 plus new ones every month with Caitlin and myself. But 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.160 it's Chicken Run Week. It's Chicken Run Week. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:55.760 Yes it is. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.440 Oh, you didn't think it was Chicken Run Week. 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:58.120 Well it is. 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:58.920 Well it is. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:00.840 Take that and there's a reason. 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.080 There's a method, Yes there is. 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:05.920 So this is an episode that we originally released on 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.200 the Matreon in February twenty twenty one as a part 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.360 of a theme that we didn't have a good title for. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.440 But the theme itself was I think pretty solid, which 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:19.880 was movies with animals in the title, because we did 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.920 Chicken Run and Coyote Ugly, Yes, which has nothing to 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:25.080 do with animals. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.520 Yeah, and two movies that are really like, couldn't be 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:33.960 less in conversation with one another, true, but two fun 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.280 episodes to do and Chicken Run I mean an all 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:41.600 timer movie film. There has since been a sequel released 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:44.840 on Netflix that I have not watched yet, what about yourself. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:47.160 I just watched it yesterday. 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.840 My niece loves it and she's four, So there you go. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.080 It was fun, I would say, not as good as 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.720 Chicken Run the original high bar kind of nothing, hy 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:01.440 Barticlear exactly. Anyway, you released this episode like three and 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.800 a half years ago, so if you hear some references 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.040 that feel a bit dated, that's why. If you're like, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.359 why are they bringing up the sonic the Hedgehog movie? 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.320 Why are they talking about pandemic stimulus checks as if 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:17.920 it just happened, Well, that's wild. 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:21.320 I guess what. We weren't even vaccinated. Like, really, take 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:24.600 yourself back there. We were in the thick of it, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:26.040 and we're in the thick of it now. But it's 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.840 in a different way. The reason we're doing this is 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.880 if you're in the Los Angeles area, you're in freaking 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:36.720 luck because we are hosting a screening of Chicken Run 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.080 at the Low's feel As three with American Cinematech on 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.920 August twenty fifth. We're so pumped. We technically hosted as 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.040 screening with them last year, but neither of us could 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:50.000 go this year. Things are a little different because you 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.720 had COVID last year. I have COVID right now, so 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.400 I'm not gonna have it in three weeks. So yeah, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:57.080 we'll be there. 0:02:57.200 --> 0:03:00.600 We'll be there presenting Chicken Run. Yes, this is part 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:05.880 of American Semitech's Friend of the Fest podcast festival, where 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:11.200 they have podcast hosts introduce one of their favorite films, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:16.080 and we have the honor of presenting Chicken Run. And 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:19.960 we're like, hey, what better way to promote that screening 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:25.360 than to unlock our Matreon episode on Chicken Run. And 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:29.120 that's what we're doing right now. A men, Now, if 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.080 this is your first episode of the Bechdel Cast or 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:34.840 you know, you don't really know who we are and 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.240 what we are, we well, first of all, my name's 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:38.240 Caitlin Deronte. 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:39.720 My name is Jamie loftus. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:42.680 This is our podcast where we examine movies through an 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:47.880 intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test as a jumping 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.040 off point. But Jamie, what's that well? 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:56.040 The Bechdel Test is a media metric originally created by 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.920 queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, often called the Bechdel Wallace Test 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.920 because it was co created with Alison Bechdel's good friend 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:07.200 Liz Wallace. This test was created as a joke, a 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:12.120 bit a lark an idea, a passing fancy by Alison 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:16.720 Bechdel for her iconic comic Iconic Comic Likes to Watch 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:21.480 Out for Great Comic. She's basically commenting on how infrequently 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.440 women talk to each other in a queer context originally, 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.960 but the way it's been adapted for the mainstream is 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:34.839 that it's looking at how infrequently people of marginalized genders 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.600 are allowed to speak about not men. So there's a 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.960 lot of versions of the test. The test we use 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:45.400 is this, two characters of a marginalized gender with names 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:48.239 must speak to each other for more than two lines 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.120 of dialogue about a character who is not a man, 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.920 and I honestly forget with Chicken Run. I honestly forget 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:58.680 you're gonna have to consult with us three and a 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:00.760 half years ago because they they know. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:03.599 Yeah, well, if you want me to spoil it for 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.640 you right now, they definitely pass the Bechdel test. 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.800 I mean it is mostly about Yeah, this is a 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:14.719 chicken matriarchy in any case, that is what we're releasing. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.520 And if you are in the LA area, we would love, love, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:20.760 love for you to join us on Sunday, August twenty fifth, 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.880 at four pm. We're going to put the link in 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.800 the description of this episode. We're also going to be 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.640 plugging the hell out of it on social media, and 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:30.440 please join us. 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.960 It's eighty four minutes long, and it's been eighty four 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:39.440 minutes minutes and I can still smell the chicken chickens. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.760 Yep, I can still smell the chickens. 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.640 The chickens had never been used. 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.160 Which is the whole point, Which is the whole point 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.039 of Chicken Run, which is the whole point. They're trying 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.560 to escape with their lives exactly. Yeah, just a perfect movie. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:56.840 We would love to watch it with you. I you know, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:58.840 I want to dress up like a chicken. There I 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.640 said it. I want to dress up like a chicken 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.760 do it. I don't know, like I've never really made 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.400 I believe in myself that I can make this happen. 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.520 I don't know what that's gonna look like, but you 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.880 should come and see see if we pulled it off. 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.240 Yes, definitely, so yeah, grab tickets for that. You can 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.360 also find the tickets on our link tree link Tree 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.680 slash Bechtel Cast and Yeah, we are so excited to 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:25.400 present this movie and we hope to see you there. 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.480 And in the meantime, enjoy this unlocked Matreon episode of 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:38.880 Chicken Run. Jamie, what's your relationship with Chicken Run? 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.800 Chicken Run's one of my favorite movies ever. I love 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:46.640 Chicken Run. I remember seeing it in theaters with my 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.600 family and being like, wow, look at this chickens run 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:57.680 and not really understanding you know, feminism, patriarchal structures or 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.840 or you know, workers live, and yet Chicken Run really hit. 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:06.080 I loved it. I thought. I remember being scared when 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.359 they go into the Chicken Machine. It was like for 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.920 me right up there with Toy Story three, where it's like, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.040 oh my god, these adorable characters are entering a doom 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.320 machine and I'm so scared. I just love I just 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:23.200 love Chicken Run, and I watch it probably about once 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:27.280 a year for fun, depending on whether it's streaming places. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.760 I just watched it a couple months ago because I 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.160 remember texting you about it, like fairly recently, and then 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:37.040 you came up with this brilliant theme, You're welcome, and 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:41.240 here we are back at Chicken Run, and yeah, I think, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.040 I mean, there are elements of it that don't hold 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.120 up for me, but I think by and large as 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:52.040 a movie, as a product, as a story, as a romp, 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.720 as a romp, I mean, I think it holds up 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:59.440 extraordinarily well. And I still love it. And I tweeted 0:07:59.440 --> 0:08:02.480 about loving today, and then you get five trillion people 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.800 be like, but what about mel Gibson? As Like, I 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.480 am aware that mel Gibson is in this movie. We 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:12.440 will talk about it, but I'm not gonna let mel 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.440 Gibson take away Chicken Run from me. I really love 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:20.000 this movie and fuck mel Gibson. Two things can be true. 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.040 What's your history with Chicken Run? 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.640 I haven't seen it as often as you, but I 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.360 too love this movie. I saw it when it first 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:32.560 came out in two thousand. I think I saw it 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.920 like a couple times. I think that was my first 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:40.120 introduction to that type of like stop motion from that 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.880 studio specifically, because I don't think I saw anything Wallace 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:45.280 and Grammt until after this. 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:48.040 Yeah, I think that I didn't see any Wallace and 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.960 Grammat until unless they I don't think they showed the 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.560 short and I don't think I saw it until like 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:54.800 Curse of the were Rabbit, and then I went back 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.880 and saw the short cartoons. Right, everything from this studio 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.280 is so fucking beautiful, Like all of the Arden and 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.480 Studios stuff is just like incredible. 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.040 Yeah, And I always get so I get and people 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:13.760 might drag me for this, but I get this studio's 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:17.720 content sometimes confused with Laika content. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.480 Oh, I mean they also do could blame you thank 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:25.000 you so much ascept a bully. Yeah no, I mean 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.400 like the because Leika is like Coraline and shit like that. 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:32.120 Right, Yeah, but like similar, like especially with what did 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:36.640 I see recently missing Link that came out like twenty 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:40.360 nineteen or something. Yes, I was like, oh, this is 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:43.240 probably the same studio as Chicken Run. And then I 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.480 was like, oh wait, no it's the other one. 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.400 So looks very similar yeah, Thelika movies do like quiet, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:50.960 and I feel like there's a lot of like they're 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.880 also all very British, yes, and so I feel like 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.680 it's also the tone to the movies, or I'm sure 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:02.080 that there is some overlap app creatively, but they're like, yeah, 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:05.440 they're very British stop motion movies. If anyone's if anyone 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.959 bullies you about that, launch me out of the chicken 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.280 what is it the catapult? Yeah, the chicken catapults. 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:17.320 I'll attack them more like the chicken polt. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:23.120 Oh god, the sheer resourcefulness of these brilliant chickens. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.920 I know. Oh, I can't wait to talk about it. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:29.320 There's so much to talk about. Even in it's the 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.320 areas where it is not amazing, there's still a lot 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.400 to talk about, Like this movie. Now that I was 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:37.920 paying attention to the politics of the movie and not 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:42.320 just being like I love these chickens, which is usually 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:44.200 where I'm at when I'm watching Chicken Run. I'm eating 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.480 a plate of nachos and I'm like, these chickens are 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.920 so cool. But this is like this movie is like 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:55.840 if Animal Farm had gone right basically, yeah, like it's 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.360 animals like seizing the means of production. I have a 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.600 whole thing about it. But like they're seizing the means 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:06.360 of production, they are overthrowing the oppressive force. But there's 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:10.240 no like there's not enough infighting that the whole operation 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:15.480 gets sabotaged, like they liberate themselves. It's beautiful. 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.079 It is beautiful. It's also what So we recently were 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.920 guests on the podcast Creature Feature talking about B Movie, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.520 and I feel like this is what B Movie was 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.839 like maybe trying to do and then like utterly fumbling 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:31.680 and failing every step of the way. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.880 Yeah. B movie just ended up being like, Wow, capitalism 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.080 it's awesome. No, no, no, its it rocks. Although I 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.040 was thinking I was thinking about B Movie when Larry 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.160 King died, because I'm like, wow, what was his name? 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:44.720 Me, Larry King? 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:49.280 Be Larry King. That was like maybe his best maybe 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:53.400 his best work, his best credit, Yeah iconic. Yeah. No, 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.360 So Larry King's not in this although I wish he 0:11:56.559 --> 0:12:01.360 was instead of Mel Gibson. Seriously, the Mel Gibson of 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.520 it all. It's so it fucking sucks that he's in 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.120 this movie, man, because other than that, it is like 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.720 such a fabulous. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:14.120 Movie. At least we don't have to see Mel Gibson's face. 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:17.720 It does make it easier to I mean, it's I 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.000 hate that he got paid to be in this amazing movie. Yeah, 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.720 at very least he's playing an evil fraud. But then 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.079 also he's forgiven at the end. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:27.240 Oh, don't get me, Sack. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:29.920 There's a lot to be taught. I'm just like, you 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.679 know what, he should have just left and stayed gone. 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:34.920 And stayed gone exactly. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.920 I don't know why, Like I thought, I really thought, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:41.800 because I've been thinking so much about when we redid 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:43.679 Beauty and the Beast and we had that whole conversation 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:47.679 about like the burden of forgiveness on female characters, and 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.720 I didn't totally. I don't know. I just I'm never 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.720 paying super close attention to the plot points of Chicken Run. 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:58.199 And so I was like, she, Ginger comes so close 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.320 to like subverting that and being like, fuck you get 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:04.840 out of here, you coward, right, But then he shows 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:09.120 up and then she I'm like, Ginger, I mean, live 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.640 your life, don't let me tell you how to live, Ginger. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:16.400 But like Ginger, I feel like we can just do better. 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:17.440 We can do better. 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:18.440 Ginger can do something. 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.160 I'm not opposed to Ginger finding love, but like Rocky 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.080 really literally it sounds like my mom of just like 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.920 my mom's like, you're gonna go off with some guy 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.680 from Rhode Island, which is literally who Rocky is. He's 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:37.840 some guy from Rhode Island. True, Ginger, do not just 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.560 go off with some guy from Rhode Island. I mean 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.040 that whole thing. We'll get there, but. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:44.240 Yes, yeah, we'll get there. In the meantime, should we 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:44.840 recap it? 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.560 Yes, I'm sorry, I'm getting like so excited. I have 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.520 like a full glass of wine and I'm so excited 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.240 to talk about chicken run. 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.200 Oh my goodness, I love it. Uh, let's take a 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:58.760 quick break and then we'll come right back for the recap. 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.840 So the story is as follows. We open on a 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:17.240 chicken farm. The chickens are, they talk, and they're they're people, 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:19.520 But their chickens. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:21.280 The most horrifying thing. I mean not horrifying. I don't 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.600 know how the animation gets away with not being scary, 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.160 but giving a farmful of chickens full sets of human 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:32.760 teeth is such like a decision that it should look 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.960 scarier than it does, and I feel like it speaks 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.880 to the animation that that is not extremely because wasn't 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.280 that like the reason that they completely reanimated the sonic 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:43.600 the Hedgehog movie is because they're like, why does he 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:44.560 have human teeth? 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.640 Oh? I thought it was because his like proportions were 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:49.200 all wrong. 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:53.480 Wait let me oh, hold on, Maybe it was a combination, 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.120 because that sounds right as well. 0:14:55.120 --> 0:14:58.200 Because he was like, his like proportions were just like, 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.200 like his leg the length of his legs and arms 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.720 were just like really bizarre. And they were like, this 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:05.720 looks terrible. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:10.360 So we're both right and and I forgot how scary 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:14.800 the first sonic was. Yeah, so he both looked too 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.480 much like an animal and his proportions were like two 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.840 Uncanny Valley photorealistic, Like he just looks like a blue cat, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.800 but he has like a full set of like Joe 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:29.240 Biden viniars, Pete Davis whatever, whoever, Walton Goggins vinyars like 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.880 mm hmm, just really scary stuff. For some reason, the 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.800 chickens and the roosters they're allowed to have full sets 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.360 of teeth. It doesn't bother me, Yeah, why not. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:43.000 I'll allow it. So one of the chickens, our hero Ginger, 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:46.360 is organizing a mass escape for her and all the 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.800 other chickens to basically do a prison break. And I 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.320 also read that when this movie was like being developed, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.160 they were just like, let's do the Great Escape but 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:56.640 with chickens. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:01.160 Which is like, holy shit, right, what a what a 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:01.840 wide swing? 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.440 Why didn't I think of that? You know? 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:04.720 Yeah, exactly. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.240 So we meet some of the other chickens. There's Babs, 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:14.600 who is always knitting. There is Mac who is the 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:16.760 brainy chicken in Stem. 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:18.960 She's a chicken in Stem. 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.600 A chicken in Stem, and you'd love to see it 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:22.440 at last, at long Last. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.120 She's also Scottish, which is constantly made a joke off, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.240 and I'm like, I can't tell if this is offensive 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.600 or if I just don't live in the UK, but 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.080 she's very Scottish. 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:32.640 She also wears glasses. 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:36.600 She wears glasses exactly. Yeah. 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:42.040 Yes, there's Bunty, who lays a lot of eggs. I 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.440 think that's kind of the main thing that we know. 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:49.840 She's very fertile, Yeah, very fertile, full bursting at the 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:54.960 seems with eggs. There's also an old rooster named Fowler 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:59.080 who's like a former military man and he's always carrying 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:01.920 the world War two, yeah. 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.959 Or he says you did. He was actually just a chicken. 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.879 He's just a chicken this whole time. Yeah, but he's 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:10.760 always caring on about his glory days. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:11.480 Right. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.640 So Ginger is trying to escape and she gets caught 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:20.000 by mister Tweety, Mister Tweety's dogs and Missus Tweety. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:24.640 Oh and iconic villains so scary. When I was a kid, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.640 I was so scared of her. But I think, you know, Jen, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.320 we'll have a more full discussion about her. But like 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.439 where older women are so often fully demonized, with Missus Tweety, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.000 it's not because she's jealous of this. I think she's 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.720 very logically motivated and true. And I also think that 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.720 she is I forget where I thought this as I 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.480 was watching, and I'm like, you're reaching, Jamie. But then 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:50.679 I saw someone else wrote about it. I was like, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.760 I think that she's supposed to be like low key 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:58.200 Margaret Thatcher. Oh, she styled kind of similarly. I think 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.720 she's supposed to be like rural Margaret Margaret Thatcher. That's 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.520 my working theory that at least I have their name 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.960 written down here, that at least one writer also thought. 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:11.439 But she's at least she is an She is like, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.280 she looks kind of like an evil stepmother, but she 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:21.640 is a very highly motivated capitalist villain. Yeah, iconic, iconic, scary. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.240 And voiced by Miranda Richardson. 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:24.760 Yes, too amazing. 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.399 So Ginger gets caught and is thrown into solitary confinement, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.840 and as soon as she's released, she plans another escape, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.600 and another and another. We get a montage, each one 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.639 ending in her getting caught and put in solitary. 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:43.360 They're all funny, Yes, I like when they dress up 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:47.280 like missus tweety and almost escape. Oh and then it's 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:49.600 just a dress full of chickens. Oh, I'm laughing. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:55.080 The visual comedy in this movie is outstanding genius. 0:18:55.160 --> 0:19:00.679 It's so good all Yeah, Like these chickens, they are 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.600 cracking me up eighty four minutes straight. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.199 Even the scene where like they're trying to escape like 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.119 a trough they're like covering themselves up with it, and 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.119 then they flip over and all their legs are just 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.000 sort of flailing about. Like just the visual of their 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.560 legs is the funniest thing I've ever seen. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:20.639 Yeah, Like anytime they're on, the chickens are on like 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:26.360 stationary bicycles. I'm laughing like it just chickens are funny 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:32.280 and and they're also you know, maytriarchy seizing the means 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.880 of production, so they're also very inspirational. Here is it's true, 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:40.240 Oh dressful of chickens, Like, who's gonna no, I can't 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.119 write a joke that good dressful of chickens hilarious. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.320 So mister and missus Tweety this is an egg farm, 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.679 not a poultry farm yet, but they're keeping track of 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:55.760 the chicken's egg production, and if a chicken doesn't produce 0:19:55.880 --> 0:20:00.840 enough eggs, the Tweeties chop that chicken's head, which we 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.240 see not like the gory details of it, but so 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.800 sad though, Like a chicken gets murdered within the first 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:08.640 ten minutes of the. 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:14.120 Movie talk about steaks, I mean, yeah, immediately that it's 0:20:14.240 --> 0:20:17.520 life or death for the chickens because of what's her name? 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:23.480 Her name is Edwena Chicken Edwena at this on this view, 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.440 at least, I'm like, at least she didn't like it 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.040 would have been even because this is a g rated movie, 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.880 which is wild for how many times they almost knife 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:37.119 the chickens, right, But at least Edwena didn't. I was 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:39.520 worried that she was gonna go like, ah, like, but 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:40.480 it's just silent. 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.160 You just hear like the thunk of an axe. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.359 I wonder if they're like if she clucks when she's beheaded, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:51.760 it's PG or something. I don't know. That's too much. 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.840 Right, Oh my goodness. And also missus Tweety is sick 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:00.720 and tired of the farm's minuscule profits, and she sees 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.359 an ad to turn her egg farm into a gold 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:09.560 mine by producing chicken meat rather than chicken eggs. Meanwhile, 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:14.480 Ginger is trying to hatch a new plan to escape. 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:16.760 Get it hatch. 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:22.480 Ginger in these scenes reminds me of like every DSA 0:21:22.640 --> 0:21:25.600 meeting I've ever been to, where there's like one highly 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:29.119 motivated person trying to get like fifty well meaning people 0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:32.160 to pay attention to a good idea, and everyone's like, wait, 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:38.600 huh what huh. It's literally Ginger is a branch leader 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:41.160 of the DSA, and no one on the zoom call 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:41.960 is listening to. 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:45.679 Her exactly, so basically, she just keeps pitching ideas to 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.240 escape because her whole thing is she's not happy with 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.720 the expectation to lay eggs every day until she is 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.080 what is it plucked, roasted and turned into chicken dinner 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.200 or some some I forget the quote exactly. 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:03.600 Right, because it's like the Tweeties, even before they sell poultry. 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.119 Once you don't lay eggs, they will just eat you. 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:12.280 Correct. Yes, So she's not satisfied with this being her 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.760 fate and that's why she is longing to be free. 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.159 But the other chickens are like, well, you know what 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:21.000 if we don't try to escape because it never seems 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:21.680 to work. 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:25.920 Right, it's exhausting, I'm tired. And then that line where 0:22:25.960 --> 0:22:29.160 Ginger is like, there's not just fences outside of the coop, 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:36.400 there's fences in your mind, and you're like, well, like exactly, Oh, 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:37.240