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Speaker 3: A better term.

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Speaker 2: So it's just I don't know where all that goes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, now, before we get going into pitching, because again

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Speaker 1: the guys for big money. Got to talk about Pete Alonzo.

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Speaker 1: That's a guy that I think a lot of Mets

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Speaker 2: the Mets of one hundred fifty nine million dollars committed

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so we've got to fix a lot of things.

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Speaker 3: A good chance to that. But I think Wansa just

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Speaker 2: I think that kind I think that also irks Mets

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Speaker 1: Fourteen million or forty four million for fourteen years. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And I think that would be a great contract to sign.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I yeah. I think with or without WANs

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Speaker 2: The only reason I pushed back on that, I think

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Speaker 3: I think the games that you saw last.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Gibson just to be someone who eats innings forgive

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Speaker 2: him before given night, give him a bit and tell

436
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Speaker 2: him as many innings as he can. Patrick Corbin too.

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Speaker 1: That like c. J. Abram's like stunk in the second

438
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Speaker 1: half and he's got issue.

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Speaker 3: Like they're off the team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are still major holes in that team. That's

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Speaker 1: why I don't Pete feels a little too early for them,

442
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Speaker 1: And that's ultimately why I think comes back. The biggest

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Speaker 1: one is the Mariners. But nobody wants to play for them, so.

444
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Speaker 2: No, and then and they're unwilling to spend money with

445
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Speaker 2: it if you get trade for Luis Castillo, but that

446
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Speaker 2: it means that they get pi Alonzo.

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Speaker 3: Would you do that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I would, Okay, I think because because and this

449
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Speaker 1: will just continue the conversation. There are other first basement available.

450
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Speaker 1: There are also other third basement available. Mark Viento's can

451
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Speaker 1: be the first basement opening day, and I would feel

452
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Speaker 1: just as good as if he was playing third base.

453
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Speaker 1: It really wouldn't change how I feel about his season

454
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Speaker 1: moving forward. Guys, hate to break with you. He was

455
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Speaker 1: terrible defensively at third base. He was one of the

456
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Speaker 1: worst defensive third basemen in the league. First base is

457
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Speaker 1: probably gonna be his future home if we don't have

458
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Speaker 1: Pete Alonso. And when you look at the third base market,

459
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Speaker 1: there are also some interesting guys over there that I

460
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Speaker 1: think could make some sense. And Alex Bregman, who is

461
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Speaker 1: a free agent, you're gonna spend a little bit more money.

462
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Speaker 1: Nolan Eronatto's name you threw out on Twitter the other day.

463
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Speaker 1: And it's crazy because he's coming off of atrocious seasons

464
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Speaker 1: like back to back years where he is just not

465
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Speaker 1: the same player, and he has officially hit the old

466
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Speaker 1: mark where you're like mm, this could be a mistake.

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Speaker 1: But if you get the Cardinals to eat some of

468
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Speaker 1: that money, which maybe they will, it's interesting. At least

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting thought.

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Speaker 2: I also would say we made this mistake in this podcast.

471
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Speaker 2: I definitely make this mistake sometimes with my nalysis, where

472
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Speaker 2: believing a player's skill set is status. We already made

473
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Speaker 2: that mistake once with Mark Fienzo's. In the last couple

474
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Speaker 2: of years, we've seen Austin Riley come back after an

475
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Speaker 2: offseason and be a completely different defensive player. We just

476
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Speaker 2: saw last year Brett Baity. Brettbey was a butcher as

477
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Speaker 2: a room, probably not as bad as Fianto's was this year,

478
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Speaker 2: but he came back and he was a plus third

479
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Speaker 2: basement defensively, even going a couple of years back, but

480
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Speaker 2: way back when we saw Marcus Emion turned himself from

481
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Speaker 2: a guy who could barely hang at second base into

482
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Speaker 2: literally a goal glove shortstop when he was in his

483
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Speaker 2: twenty similar ages. Mark Fianto says, Now, so I know

484
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Speaker 2: Mark Fianto's is a super hard worker. It's very obvious

485
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Speaker 2: how much better he got on one year, how hard

486
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Speaker 2: work he is. It really wouldn't surprise me if Mark

487
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Speaker 2: Fianto's in the near future becomes a legitimately good defensive

488
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Speaker 2: third basement, truthly wouldn't surprise me a lot, because, especially

489
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Speaker 2: once you get past all those names you just said,

490
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Speaker 2: the infield market, this free agency is bad. It's quite bad. Yes,

491
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Speaker 2: it is a really good thing. It's also I mean

492
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Speaker 2: second base, it's it's labor towards you despise. And literally

493
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Speaker 2: not one other starting caliber player besides maybe Jorge Planco.

494
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Speaker 2: If you just pretend that Seattle bruins his career and

495
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Speaker 2: Jose glacis Jose Glaci's being listed the shortstopper is funny.

496
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Speaker 2: Planco is another guy who I think some team will

497
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Speaker 2: do well on this. Seems like Seattle just sucks people in.

498
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Speaker 2: He's struck out more than he ever has in his

499
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Speaker 2: career since joined the Mariners, and they always say like,

500
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Speaker 2: you just can't see there because that badthers I which

501
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Speaker 2: is a funny thing. So I think Hory Blanco of

502
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Speaker 2: the rest of these infield options is my favorite.

503
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Speaker 1: That would be inexpensive. I got another one I was

504
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Speaker 1: gonna say.

505
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Speaker 2: I think we're probably thinking the same wavelength here. The

506
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Speaker 2: one guy who I think is interesting.

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Speaker 1: Three two one Brandon I sunk him. Oh okay, option

508
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Speaker 1: got picked up, I know, but they would trade him,

509
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Speaker 1: pray yeah for nothing, they.

510
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Speaker 2: Would, I mean, just get if not for nothingau they

511
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Speaker 2: picked it was only ten mil, so I think they

512
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Speaker 2: have to give something to get him. And he's also

513
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Speaker 2: not a very good defensive player, and he would he

514
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Speaker 2: can really only play second or first base, so then

515
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Speaker 2: you still kind of have all these same problems.

516
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Speaker 1: Play corner oilfield a couple times as well, still doesn't

517
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Speaker 1: really help the mess. The Mets have a bunch of

518
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Speaker 1: corner outfielders right now, but hopefully we get one more.

519
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Speaker 1: His bat's awesome. I love his beats so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is awesome. Is interesting though, take him Hawstin.

521
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Speaker 3: Kim's interesting.

522
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Speaker 2: I don't know where the bad is because it was

523
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Speaker 2: one really good year. Then this year was another one

524
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Speaker 2: that wasn't so good. But in terms of defensive players

525
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Speaker 2: on the market, I mean, besides WILLI doms, who's gonna

526
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Speaker 2: get a master contract me, the Braves of the Dodger sadly,

527
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Speaker 2: and maybe the Yankees trying to make him play third

528
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Speaker 2: base for them. But hassng Kim is a great player

529
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Speaker 2: and has on him again. Mostly is probably the most

530
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Speaker 2: comfortable playing second basse or shortse stop, which doesn't help

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Speaker 2: us that much. So I'm sure he'd be a wonderful

532
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Speaker 2: third basement. I'm gonna double checking the armstrength right now.

533
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Speaker 2: But this team does they could stand to get better defensively.

534
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Speaker 2: Maybe again, maybe you just don't pay the premium on

535
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Speaker 2: a defensive player though, like I'm just it's all going

536
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Speaker 2: around here. There's a lot of options, which this is

537
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Speaker 2: what steps is about, hammering home how many options there are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again the trademarket I think is going to

539
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Speaker 1: be a huge friend of the Mets too. The ability,

540
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Speaker 1: like you mentioned, how much money we have that we

541
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Speaker 1: can actually spend that's super super valuable on the trade market,

542
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Speaker 1: as well, being able to take a contract that the

543
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Speaker 1: team that maybe isn't where they once thought they would be.

544
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Speaker 1: You take that from them all of a sudden, like

545
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Speaker 1: you're feeling a little bit different.

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Speaker 2: And that's that is why I brought up Dolan Arnas specifically,

547
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Speaker 2: and people got very mad me. People got very very upset,

548
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Speaker 2: and I guess I get it. No, as Mets fans,

549
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Speaker 2: we should kind of hate him. That's totally fine.

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Speaker 3: I'm with that. For sure, but.

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Speaker 1: Also there's just something to me about could he really

552
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Speaker 1: be done?

553
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Speaker 3: Could he really be dead?

554
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he think he might be. I

555
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Speaker 1: don't know, dude, his numbers and this is as I've

556
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Speaker 1: I've been banging the Nolan aeronauto drums so hard winners

557
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Speaker 1: in Colorado because people were like corps effect, corps effect,

558
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Speaker 1: course effect. He went to Saint Louis for those couple

559
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Speaker 1: of years, went off was incredible, and I was like,

560
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Speaker 1: I told you, And now it just feels like he's old.

561
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Speaker 1: But also maybe he's just like fuck, I'm stuck in

562
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Speaker 1: Saint Louis now and this place sucks too. Like his

563
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Speaker 1: hard hit rate is abysmal. His barrel rate was three

564
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Speaker 1: point two percent. Like these are some of the worst

565
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Speaker 1: rates in all of baseball. And he's always bit bad

566
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Speaker 1: though he's always had bad barrel rates and stuff. He's

567
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Speaker 1: never had a good pull flyball rate, but those are

568
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Speaker 1: the things. IULD think he had good pull flyball they

569
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Speaker 1: they were better, though they were way better in the past.

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Speaker 1: Like this is shockingly love for him right now.

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Speaker 2: I just there's pardon me that again, maybe it's stupid,

572
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Speaker 2: but when I look at the guy like Nolan Arnado,

573
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Speaker 2: who's on a Hall of Fame trajectory, who's been stuck

574
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Speaker 2: on a team that might be a little bit stuck

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Speaker 2: in the past. I think the Cardinals are a little

576
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Speaker 2: more modern than their hitting instruction they are in their

577
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Speaker 2: pitching instruction.

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Speaker 3: But that's just a guy who I like you. I

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Speaker 3: would truly.

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Speaker 2: Again this might be famous last words, I would truly

581
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Speaker 2: be shocked if he doesn't have a second win. I

582
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Speaker 2: legitimately would be shocked if there isn't a second win

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Speaker 2: Nolan R now, because right now he's standing on the

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Speaker 2: precipice of kind of just being just another guy that

585
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Speaker 2: gets lost to the shadows of a baseball career or

586
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Speaker 2: having a like got a Hall of Fame finish, like

587
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Speaker 2: it's just everything. Well, he did hit the ball so

588
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 2: much less hard last year. He's still he pulled the

589
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Speaker 2: fly balls less two is one that he did well.

590
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Speaker 2: The thing about Nolan R and No that does make me

591
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Speaker 2: now looking at these numbers, make me think that there's

592
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Speaker 2: a fix here is the pitch section was just worse.

593
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Speaker 3: It looked like he was in his head. His hit

594
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Speaker 3: A ble pitch is taken.

595
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Speaker 2: This comes from Robert Orr's app Robert Or from Baseball perspective.

596
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Speaker 2: He invented the Seagra metric. He has a hit the

597
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Speaker 2: Bollitch Pitch Taken metric, and Nolan was always in the

598
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Speaker 2: top twenty five thirty percentile on it. Last year, who's

599
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Speaker 2: in the botob thirty percentile. He was letting a lot

600
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Speaker 2: of hittable pitches go by and that vastly negatively impacted

601
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Speaker 2: the SEGA rating. That's the kind of thing that seems

602
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Speaker 2: like it's a little bit mental for Nolan r now

603
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Speaker 2: not picking the right pitches, not being aware of what

604
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Speaker 2: they're doing. We just saw this Mets team make pretty

605
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Speaker 2: good strides in season as a hitting ball club, and

606
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Speaker 2: there's just there's got to be the juice factor with

607
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Speaker 2: Nolan Aronado. That team fucking sucked last year yea, and

608
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Speaker 2: he got off to a bad start. The whole team

609
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Speaker 2: got out to a horrible start. They never got out

610
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Speaker 2: of their hole. The whole thing felt uncomfortable. Paul Goldschmid

611
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Speaker 2: and him Concereros got hurt like it was just kind

612
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Speaker 2: of a mess. Jordan Walker went to the minor leagues

613
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Speaker 2: after a week for some reason. But it's just the

614
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Speaker 2: whole thing felt like a mess. And like, again, maybe

615
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Speaker 2: I'm being very stupid, but the Mets, with one hundred

616
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Speaker 2: and forty million dollars to spend, I think that just

617
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Speaker 2: getting a guy like this on an aging contract for

618
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Speaker 2: no asset, just have to pay them, that could be

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Speaker 2: a move.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this too. So Aeronautu's contract, he's

621
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Speaker 1: do thirty two million dollars next year, but five millions

622
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Speaker 1: paid by the Rockies already. So it's twenty seven and

623
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, it's twenty two and twenty twenty six

624
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Speaker 1: again because the Rockies are paying five million, and then

625
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Speaker 1: does go down to fifteen mil in twenty twenty seven.

626
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Speaker 1: So realistically, you're looking at under one hundred million dollars

627
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Speaker 1: for the next three years for Nolan Aeronado. And that's

628
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Speaker 1: if the Cardinals don't give you any money.

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Speaker 2: And the Cardinals have also said out loud, we want

630
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Speaker 2: to get rid of this contract, like they have killed

631
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Speaker 2: all of their levers, not that I thought they did.

632
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Speaker 2: I guess they thought they needed anyway, but they have

633
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Speaker 2: told the world we want.

634
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Speaker 3: To cut costs. Take Nolan Ranada if you want.

635
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Speaker 1: Him, dude, three years, sixty four million. That's what he

636
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Speaker 1: would be with the mess if they got him three year,

637
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Speaker 1: sixty four million. And that's if the Cardinals give you

638
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Speaker 1: no money, and that I think.

639
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Speaker 2: You again, you could probably get something like that for free.

640
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Speaker 2: So three or sixty four million, that's like a twenty

641
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 2: one million dollar player. Yeah, let's loo at some position players.

642
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: Cody Bellinger makes twenty seven million dollars signs free agent

643
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 2: last year. Matt Chapman makes twenty five million dollars. I

644
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: probably would rather have Matchapman, definitely Nolan Ranado. But just

645
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Speaker 2: that's a sense of what players. Again, these players are

646
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Speaker 2: all better than r now for sure at this point,

647
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Speaker 2: but I'm saying there is still an up shot. Like

648
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Speaker 2: Dansby Swanson, he makes twenty five million dollars, not signed

649
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: the open market. Xander Bogar's making twenty five and a

650
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Speaker 2: half million dollars at least forty years old. He's not

651
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: even thirty yet. That was signed on the open market.

652
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: If you're gonna Starling Marte is making like twenty million

653
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: dollars a year, that's.

654
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: Say Tasker and end is Anthony Santon. There are probably

655
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: gonna make a twenty million dollars and they don't.

656
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Play elite third Bay. The third base defense. One thing

657
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: that hasn't changed. He's still disgusting at third base totally.

658
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: Like they they that he's just going to shake loose

659
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: this offseason. And that's to kind of remember howeveryonet Chris

660
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: again that different. Remember over the Chris.

661
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 2: Sale was super washed and he's just the best season

662
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: of his career. Yeah, Like, it's just these a lot

663
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: of base so much. But what was the famous uh

664
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: yogi baseball is fifty ninety percent mental fifty percent physical.

665
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, or fifty percent physical, fifty percent mental fifty percent.

666
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: He just did too many things.

667
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: I might have did the John Madden quote there, but accidentally,

668
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 2: But yo Yogi and John Madden, if you could do

669
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: those quotes, they probably line up more more of the

670
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 2: time than not. But I just I don't know why.

671
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: It's like something I might have to squint to see.

672
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to pick out a lot of

673
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: actual like numbers to prove it. I think there's still

674
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: some I think there's still some fruit in those loins

675
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: for no.

676
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 3: On r No that I really do.

677
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get this guy in a winning ball club,

678
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: you get him around Mark Fianto's you get him around one,

679
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: so though you get him around for ciscal indoor, like

680
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, now it's like he's a dog,

681
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: like he's a guy.

682
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: But maybe it's cash, but I think it's worth the risk.

683
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Or you get Robinson Cano two point zero.

684
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh, you get Robinson two point oh, which

685
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 3: just went back. We just went back down the rabbit hole.

686
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: Listen, there's there's a lot of options, especially on the

687
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: trademarket available, and I think we'll focus more on them

688
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: as we continue on here. The other thing that that's

689
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: really need to address relievers, And I think we'll tell

690
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: you right now. They're not signing Tanner Scott, They're not

691
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: signing any of the big names. They're going to be

692
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: creative again. And on the trade market there are a

693
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: bunch of really creative relievers that they could go after

694
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: and maybe even trade Edwin Diaz this offseason. No one's

695
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: a really talking about that besides us, but it feels

696
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: like it's it feels like it's almost too close to

697
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: our eyes to not mention.

698
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: It's I said to you guys in the last podcast,

699
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: but if anyone didn't listen, of the last seven World

700
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: Series champions, only one of them pay the reliever more

701
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: than ten million dollars. And that was the Atlanta Braves

702
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: who paid Lefty will Smith thirteen million dollars. Probably they

703
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 2: would have told you one of the worst contracts in

704
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: their team. Yeah, will Smith historically only wins World Series.

705
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: So for sure years of will Smith has won the

706
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 2: World Series.

707
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. And now it continues them.

708
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: I know it's been going around, but I even think

709
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 2: there's exciting, not exciting, only I'm excited by these guys,

710
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: interesting intriguing options for the relievers on the market too.

711
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: Like like you, me Garcia is a fantastic reliever. I

712
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 2: don't think he's crossing the ten million dollar plateau. Jalen

713
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: Beaks had a sneaky, really good year for the Rockies. Sneaky, sneaky,

714
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: really good year. I mean, Brooks Railey's back out there.

715
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 2: It's gonna take a little while, but you can get

716
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: Brooks Raley back for basically free. Think Kirby Eight's is

717
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: gonna be cheap because he was disgusting last year.

718
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: I don't think he's.

719
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: Gonna be cheap. I think it was too good to

720
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: be cheap. His era was under two and his whip

721
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: was under one. What about his teammates. If finally we

722
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: take a chance on Jose laclerk probably one year, five million,

723
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: let's like get but saying this is you the whole

724
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: thing with these believers. You just gotta find the next guy.

725
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: And like, we just saw David Stearns's old team not

726
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: pick up a ten million dollar option on Devin Williams.

727
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 1: Ten that's poverty. I feel bad for Brewers fans reading

728
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: that headline. That's a guy you can definitely get into trade.

729
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: That's them telling the world we will trade Devin Williams.

730
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: He's available. Give us, give us some give us some

731
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: real good stuff to get him. Like also stupid names

732
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: Andrew Kitcher's thirty five year old Andrew Kittrick. Lucas Simms,

733
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: his sweeper might be the best pitch in baseball. It's

734
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 2: alarming that he hasn't been good yet. Someone's gonna take

735
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: a smart team's gonna sign Lucas Sims and Junie You're

736
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: gonna be like, why is Lucas Sims taking two million dollars?

737
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: I saw a good tweet from a couple of people

738
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 1: talking about like left handed relievers. I wish I had

739
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: the guy's name. He was like killing four Field barr kill.

740
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: Ferguson's been a really good left to reliever the last

741
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: few years. He's had some bad Caleb Fergus had some

742
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: very bad times. Oh yeah, but he's been decent though.

743
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: He's been getting he's had.

744
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: When he came up before he had some major arm trouble.

745
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 3: He was electric.

746
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: And that also Caleb Fergus and shoting my buddy Ross.

747
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: They played the club baseball together in Columbus.

748
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: But what about Brooke Keyle bring him back?

749
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: Caleb is a guy, I said, he said Brooks Raley.

750
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 2: Who I just said, Caleb Theobar and any of the left

751
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 2: he's out there. I think Jonathan le Whise, the guy said

752
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: last episode. I think John Lewise goes super interesting. I

753
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: think Ryan Standick super interesting again. I don't know how

754
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: much money he's gonna get. Keenan Middleton's super interesting. We don't,

755
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean, we will know yet, but I'm sure I

756
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: think Tim Hill. Sir Anthony de Minguez, you said Kendall Graveman.

757
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: Remember who?

758
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: And we had to get Matt Moore. He's a free

759
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: agent again now will finally be cheap. Now I want

760
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: Matt Moore Loops available, but I'm sure Aaron Loop is available.

761
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: Jake Deacmon's available now I'm kidding, but Adam Simbers bizarre,

762
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: like they're just the Mets are gonna just Pepper the

763
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: middle of this reliever market over and over again.

764
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: What they're gonna do with her with that one?

765
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: So though one reliever I'll never give up on Emir

766
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: Garrett has to be good one time. He has to be.

767
00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 2: He's a guy who might get him in New York

768
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: and thinks he Chang. I think hector Neri's I'm sure

769
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: for the five million is going to get but for

770
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 2: nothing for free?

771
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. And then there are other good names too,

772
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: like that are not Barlow believers. Jake Junis. I'd love

773
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: to see him throw eighty percent sliders that will drive

774
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 1: Mets fans crazy, but he's like kind of good. Your

775
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: boy Breby is a free agent again. Someone attaged me

776
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: a thread about Brebia like this also true, Smiley, I'd

777
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: give a shot Clay Homes.

778
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: I know I will definitely give a shot to play

779
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: Homes definitely, but I think I think there's definitely with

780
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: her with that one. So though sadly we could probably

781
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: kiss goodbye to the top of this reliever market, which

782
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: will be Tanner, Scott, Jeff Hoffman, probably rold As Chapman,

783
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: Carlos Steves, and Kirby Yates. I would say those are

784
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: good the relievers we're going to make get the five

785
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 2: biggest contracts. I think we probably and we're definitely also

786
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: not signing Paul wundred percent.

787
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: No, please, God, No, I can't.

788
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: Daniel Columbey.

789
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 2: The Morals haven't done Yeah, I haven't done anything with

790
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: this option yet. He's a he's a pretty good reliever.

791
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: Sean Armstrong. I don't really like him, but some people do.

792
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if Kenley Jansen wants to keep pitching.

793
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: He was still really good last year.

794
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: Get him out of here. I don't like how he

795
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: ended with the Red Sox. That was like, that's negative vibes.

796
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: I don't want that. He just left. He was like,

797
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: are we done? Yeah, okay, and he just left and

798
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: left the team and it was bizarre and apparently he

799
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: didn't know a lot of his teammates and names bad vibes.

800
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: He just wants to be a Dodger. There's literally clips

801
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: of him on the Red Sox being like, hope, I

802
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: can get back to the Dodgers, and in my career there,

803
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, you're still playing for the Red Sox.

804
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: I got a name for you. Is Scott Barlow dead?

805
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: Because remember he was good, Scott Borrough was good. Okay,

806
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I think he's still good.

807
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: I'll try it out, but trying and definitely that Veles

808
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: roast beef was he just did to end that world series.

809
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: But that's but that This is the whole point we're

810
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: getting out here. We said this few episodes ago, with

811
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: or without one. So though I don't think the Mets

812
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: are going to shop in the top of the reliever

813
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: market just because you want to do the next blake

814
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 2: trying like trying to make three million dollars this year. Like,

815
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: the whole point is to save your money to be

816
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: able to spend on the lead assets like one so

817
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: the when they break free. That's literally what we did

818
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: about the lesson with the Dodgers. Even like the Yankees

819
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: went to the World Series American League, most of that

820
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: money comes from four players on that roster, and the

821
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: rest is spread pretty evenly among a bunch of guys

822
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 2: in the bottom, just a bunch of guys that pop

823
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: up out of nowhere, like there's ways to do that.

824
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: And I even think that in the Mets there could

825
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: be a chance that some of these young guys come

826
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: up and be significantly better relievers next year.

827
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: I really do.

828
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I think the chance what b M d oh, I

829
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: need to see Bryce mont Steoka.

830
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: Third times the charm on Breyce Montesteoka, Like there's a

831
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: good chance that next year they finally, depending on starting

832
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 2: pitchers that they sign, just fully commit to either mcguil

833
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 2: or Jose Bud as relievers. They work out the whole

834
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: off season as relievers, and they just wind up being relievers.

835
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: We've got that Neil Nunia is back next year. You

836
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: can't forget that one, do. We signed Dylan Covey the

837
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: other day, so I talked about him quickly because don't

838
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: thk I talked about any podcasts. He's got interesting stuff,

839
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: a lot of rigaravibes from Dylan Covey. He's got a

840
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: wicked sinker. He has a color that he brought in

841
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: last year. He leaned down a lot, pretty good slide.

842
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: The like there's a there's a package there and you're

843
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: the guy in major league contracts and Mets definitely see

844
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 2: him as a pitcher on opening Day. Like, that's a

845
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: very real thing. So I think that he's gonna be

846
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: someone who's in the mix one hundred percent heading into

847
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 2: next year.

848
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, there's and there's a lot of interesting trade

849
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: guys too, in terms of relievers, like a Hellesley would

850
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: be awesome, Pete Fairbanks would be awesome, Dave Bednar, your

851
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: boy would be awesome. Like, these are all guys that

852
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: are going to be available this offseason with out of doubt,

853
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: I gotta I got a fun one for you. I

854
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: don't know, is he gonna be a starter or reliever?

855
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: Give Chris Paddock a shot?

856
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: Is he free agent?

857
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: He's he's no, he's not free agent. Oh he's on

858
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: an expiring contract though next year. Yeah.

859
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: I mean that's probably as a back end star there.

860
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: I think he still has some juice there that'd be

861
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: really funny for if we don't have pe Lions and

862
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: we have Chris Paddock on the roster, and people's.

863
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: Graades would be great. It will lose.

864
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: It does a really good chance. Pete Fairbanks g has

865
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: traded this offseason. I think Zach Lettel has one more

866
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: year in his deal, maybe two more years of his

867
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: deal in the Rays. Like, there's just there's always going

868
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: to be such a turn with these guys. Also a

869
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: team that no one's talking about for trades. I can't

870
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: figure out why this is a good chance to national

871
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: the Marlins head into next season with one fewer pitcher

872
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: on their roster.

873
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: And is that gonna be Hazels Cizzaro? Is that who

874
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: you're talking about?

875
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: I think it might be Hazelos Cizar though, because he's

876
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: the one that's just the obvious trade candidate, and in

877
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: that rotation, just Coupy's coming off with weird years. They

878
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: might want to sell relatively low, but it's.

879
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: That they're there. They got that.

880
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: They need to figure out something creative to do with

881
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 2: that roster because it's really bizarre. Besides her amazing staff,

882
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: there's just options, options, options, options, options, so many options everywhere.

883
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's great. This is what's awesome about having money.

884
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: Everybody is available. There's no one that's not available to

885
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: this team. We've gotten super off topic last like ten minutes,

886
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: so bring it back. I remember you talked about Bregman before.

887
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: What would you give Alex Bregman. That's kind of tough

888
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: because I don't know how much I trust him right now.

889
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: His contract prediction, according to Jim Bowden, is seven years

890
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: one to eighty five, So that is math, that is

891
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: twenty six million.

892
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: Dollars a year more than Matt Chapman.

893
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm not giving him more than Matt Chapman. I'm I'm

894
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: cool with like twenty two twenty three for like, or

895
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: if he wants to shorten the contract, which he's not

896
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: going to because he's thirty and Alex Bregman's for sure

897
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna age like milk when he gets older.

898
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think so.

899
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: I just an age like milk because I think his

900
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: power is already marginal and I just can't imagine that

901
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: as he gets older and he's not a big dude,

902
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: I can't imagine he's gonna continue. Listen, he could be wrong,

903
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: but as a as a guy, the way he's played

904
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, he's not the same player

905
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: that he was at his peak.

906
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: That's another thing I don't think is true because I

907
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: think the whole thing about it, he gets the same

908
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: thing as the labor torrest treatment. He just happened to

909
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: have his peak in the year when the baseballs were ridiculous,

910
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: Like if Alex Bregman never had the one year where

911
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: it was forty home runs ninety percent, sure that.

912
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: Was thirty one.

913
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, what else was happening that year? The juice balls?

914
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: Like he just happened to be in a situation where

915
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 2: he was probably always like a twenty five homer guy

916
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: who hit for a high average, and then he got

917
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: a little happy those few years. The thing that worries

918
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: me a bit about Bregman's at last year, another guy,

919
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: he started out really cold, he stopped catching up to

920
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: the fastball, and the play discipline took a dip as

921
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: he was trying to get more aggressive and swing at

922
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 2: some more hitable pitches. That scares me about Bregman because

923
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: if he does age well, the play discipline will be

924
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: the thing that ages him well. He still never swings

925
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: in miss he still makes tons of contact on his own.

926
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: But if he isn't, if he isn't hammering.

927
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: Meatballs, I don't know how he even gets twenty homers

928
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: going forward. So I could you brought him up? I

929
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: don't think I want Alex Bregman more than four years.

930
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: No me either. I also don't know if the Astros

931
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: realistically let him go. It doesn't really seem like it

932
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: makes sense for either of them to not just be

933
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: Astros for life.

934
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 3: But then they're running out of money.

935
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: They have to run out of money eventually, right, and

936
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: then then whether they do a Kyle Tucker, Yeah, it's

937
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: fair because they give out, they give up. To me,

938
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 2: it was when they gave out Tuve the Monster extension,

939
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: but his Bregman was goodbye. But I think a twenty

940
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: five million year, Yeah, how many more years is all

941
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: two Bay's contract?

942
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 6: Four?

943
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, until twenty thirty and he's getting twenty five million

944
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: year un til twenty thirty.

945
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: That tells me he's not Bregman's not going back there. Bregman,

946
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: it seems like might get the Chris Brian treatment where

947
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: he signs a big deal to a dumb team and

948
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: it's good bye, Alex Bregman. Roles Begman just becomes two

949
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 2: seventy twenty and that that's what That's how he finished

950
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: his career. Alex Berman goes to the Rockies, that'd be

951
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: a great pairing. I'd be a great doo right there,

952
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: moving back to show up if the Rockies ever trade.

953
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: Ryan McMahon would love to have him on the Mets,

954
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: just while we're.

955
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Talking about the Rockies.

956
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: Ye that that man's going to be enshrined in the

957
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: Rockies Ring of honor, like he's never he's never playing

958
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: one game for another team. I just I think I

959
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: think this is again similar to the situation with Corbyn Burns.

960
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of buyer beware of some

961
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 2: of these top guys on the market. Like I bet

962
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: right now they're somewhere in the world. There's there's a

963
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: Padres podcast they're talking about pe Alonzo or a Nationals podcast.

964
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: They're talking about pe Alonzo, and they're saying the same

965
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: things we're saying about Burns and Bregman about Pete? Do

966
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 2: you really want to give this guy a seven year deal?

967
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 2: Is he gonna be worth it? How's he going to age?

968
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: Like?

969
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: I think it's we love Pete and we hold him

970
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: near and dear. But I think that the top free

971
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: agent basically every position, maybe besides Willie doms.

972
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: I trust Willi Domas. Maybe he's only your twenty nine,

973
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: but I can think that's trust them.

974
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: I think it's just a significant buyer beware of a

975
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: lot of these top guys. I think that these contracts

976
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: are gonna be over four years. You look at them

977
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: two years and you're like, oh, I don't like that.

978
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's one player that legitimately, there's no question

979
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: at Suan Soto that's the guy and bringing it back,

980
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: bringing it back always will and then the rest of them.

981
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: This is like, I do like what you're saying, be

982
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: aware of just like a little bit lacking that top

983
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: top tier talent on the market right now at Gorden

984
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: Burns is that guy. I think we're just we're probably

985
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more hip to the to the party

986
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: than everybody else of like, is he really Garrett cole

987
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: money right now? But he also could just shove and

988
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: be the cy on next year. That wouldn't surprise me

989
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: at all. Easy.

990
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 3: He could definitely get back into it.

991
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: Him being one of the top guys. Nows why the

992
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: people talk about like the relationship with him and Searns.

993
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything positive or negative there some

994
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: people I've seen that's fans and he'll never sign here.

995
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 2: He hates Sterns from Milwaukee and now being like where

996
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: the favorite hymis Sterns have relationship. I don't think there's

997
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: any bearing eating direction that I bet Corbin Burns and

998
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: David Steans have had like what seven conversations their entire

999
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 2: lives together.

1000
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: Like I just I don't know.

1001
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the Mets fans are like,

1002
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: let's not get one so though, because we should get

1003
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: Corbyn Burns.

1004
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: Yes, like that wrong?

1005
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: I think there's some flawed logic there.

1006
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: Okay, talking about this starting pitching' let's wrap up the

1007
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: conversation there before we start talking about some really random players.

1008
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: We need a lot of innings. We just don't have

1009
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: a lot of good major league starting pitchers right now.

1010
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: If you're like a Fangraft, Joey Lukesey is our number five.

1011
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: So we're gonna need to sign guys to fill in

1012
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: for Louis Severino, Sean ma andya Jose Quintana. The inevitable

1013
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: injury that will happen to someone at some point, you

1014
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: need to buy innings. This is the second year in

1015
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: the room. Mets did it. They did a great job

1016
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: last offseason with Manaya and several Reno who are some

1017
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: several Reno Manaya type pictures that you can see the

1018
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Mets going after this year. So when you say mantract

1019
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: wise Conye.

1020
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, guys, you could probably sign up for a

1021
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: one year prove a deal and see what they can

1022
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: turn into on the backside.

1023
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, me and you off podcast have been

1024
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: talking about Walker Buehler is gonna get money this offseason,

1025
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: but it seems less and less likely from the stuff

1026
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: that I'm reading. Rumor wise, it seems like he's gonna

1027
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: be on a one year proven deal, which I'd be

1028
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: all over Buehler.

1029
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 2: If he still wants to be If he's still possibly

1030
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 2: in a one year proven deal. Yes, I'm increasingly thinking

1031
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 2: that he just winds.

1032
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: Up back of the Dodgers, which also probably makes sense,

1033
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: right because like people will be a little bit scared

1034
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: of his medicals, and if the Dodgers had the medicals

1035
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: and resigned him bank done deal, He's there.

1036
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 3: He got He got back to the just peak stuff

1037
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 3: he's ever had in his career.

1038
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: In the World Series run, just put he just kind

1039
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 2: of put them on his back was nails during the

1040
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 2: entire World Series run. There's a lot of credits to

1041
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: walka Bueler for that, Like there, I know everyone gave

1042
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: was giving Freddy Freeman the MVP the whole time. I

1043
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: think there there was action an argument for walkability, but

1044
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: the MVP, based on the way that ended, he was

1045
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: just Freddie Freeman should have been. Yeah, definitely second.

1046
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: But I if he is still on a one year

1047
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: proven yes, but I just can't see that happen.

1048
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: I don't know why.

1049
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm maybe I'm just dense, but just do how

1050
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: well he pitched, how well those stuffs numbers right out.

1051
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: It just seems like it has to be that another

1052
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: the pulling back though and going to the Savarinomania types.

1053
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: One guy who I've talked about a.

1054
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: Little bit, who's a little a little bit above Nick Martinez.

1055
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: I knew that was gonna be your first guy.

1056
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: Nick Martinez came into the rotation.

1057
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: He to me is more of like Logo from the

1058
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 2: market last year and Sevan Reino Martinez, where you just

1059
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: saw something that maybe some people don't believe but maybe

1060
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: we just should believe it, and you're like, oh, this

1061
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 2: is a guy who is a guy he started sixteen

1062
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: games down the stretch for the Reds last year. I'm

1063
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 2: gonna get this, get these stats in a second.

1064
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: But he was nails.

1065
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: He was I wrote him to some really good finishes

1066
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: of Fantasy baseball. He was really tremendous. He wasn't getting

1067
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 2: that many strikeouts, but the ra was two point four

1068
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: two over eleven starts to end the year. The strikeouts

1069
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: thing probably wouldn't really come. But he's also he doesn't

1070
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: have to get the mast strikouts. He doesn't really walk

1071
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: anybody ever at all. Great command of the zone, he mixes.

1072
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: I want to say it's five different pitches. I'm loading

1073
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: up his baseball savant right now, but it's as someone

1074
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: who his stuff didn't take that much of a step back. Also,

1075
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: when he jumped into the we jumped into the rotation,

1076
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: and he was pitching Cincinnati, which is one of the

1077
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: hardest pitches in the league, and he was pitching in

1078
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: front of the Cincinnati Reds defense. I think he's a

1079
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: flyball pitcher, but it's one of the worst defenses the

1080
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: league too, So dealing with a lot of bullshit. I

1081
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 2: give him a lot of credit for let's see, let's

1082
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: see how these pitches were. A guy in there, I

1083
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: just think he's I think he's the guy where there's

1084
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: a good shout on. You probably don't have to give

1085
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 2: him more than one year deal, maybe a two year

1086
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: like a thirty million dollar deal, and he has the

1087
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 2: severinom and iya upside of tremendously getting ahead of that value.

1088
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: No, I like I like Nick Martiez a lot. When

1089
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: I looked at the starting pitching numbers, because again I

1090
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: wasn't too hip to him, They're way better than when

1091
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: he was a reliever. So that's something to keep an

1092
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 1: eye out for. I'm gonna name your boy here, James

1093
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 1: Nick Povetta. Nick Povetta feels like the guy that's gonna

1094
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: be a meth this year. No, totally Pavetta, though, I

1095
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: think he's priced above these guys.

1096
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: Like people shut up. I think Vetta gets a three

1097
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: year deal. But is that because you love him or

1098
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: But these are the things I think that the front

1099
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 2: office will like. Like, I think a front office will

1100
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: value how good the breaking balls are and how good

1101
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: his fastball is.

1102
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: Over his era.

1103
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: Right. Maybe I don't know, because there there's been guys

1104
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: in the past that have been good that you look

1105
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: back and you're like, oh, you got nothing like I don't.

1106
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: I think, can you think of one like I can

1107
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: think of the flip side where it's like Nathan Vivaldi

1108
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: was never a guy who's like stuff was like out

1109
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: of control. Recently, when he was younger, he started ninety miles.

1110
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: Now recently, like the last his stuff has taken a dip.

1111
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: He still throws ninney eight. But we know that's not

1112
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: always what matters. It's about the stuff. We know it's

1113
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: not just Miles Prower's good to ra and pitching big games.

1114
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 3: But I'll fling this right.

1115
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: Back to you right now. Andrew Heene just got three

1116
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: year contract. Did he win from the Rangers three years ago?

1117
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: That was when they had the longer deal? Yeah, his

1118
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: for aging garright, now he had the whole spending spread.

1119
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: I think I think Andrew Heene got what three for

1120
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: fifty three for forty eight and a half two years.

1121
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: Ago he get that much. I thought he was just

1122
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: one year, one year, one year. No, he got two

1123
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: for twenty five. Okay, there this, but I think that

1124
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: but seems to be a little more liable than that.

1125
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: That seems to me like the Nick Martinez Contractcause Nick Martinez,

1126
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: you're looking at the guy kind of similar to he anywhere.

1127
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: The fastball sucks, but now he has multiple fastball variations

1128
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: with a fastball two seemer and a color. But she

1129
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: was throwing a ton of those two seamers last year

1130
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: when he'd got in the rotation. But it's a good slider,

1131
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: it's a good curveball and a good change up. Those

1132
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: are three pitches he's willing to mix it in, and

1133
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: the slider's significantly less. But still some like the fact

1134
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: that he has three off speeds and he has like

1135
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: the fact they end he's mixing six pitches and give

1136
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: him start. It's a high that's a high floor on

1137
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: that guy. Another guy who's similar disgusting Michael Lorenzin. I've

1138
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: said name a few times this podcast over the years.

1139
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: Only been a full time pitcher for four years now.

1140
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: He has a really good sweeper and it's a new pitch,

1141
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: but nothing else. I don't like or trust Michael Lorenson.

1142
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: If you sign Michael Lorenzen, he's sp six hopefully, but

1143
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,479
Speaker 1: I think that's just like keeping us in that weird

1144
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: tier starting pitchers like he's He's a very interesting guy

1145
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: to me. Matt Boyd's another one. Got himself very back

1146
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: on track down the stretch last year. Still lefty with

1147
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: a nasty changeup, which is always going to be in

1148
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: style in the league.

1149
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

1150
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: What I'll just never get hip to. Matt Boyd.

1151
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: I know, I I don't love that boy again. He's

1152
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: asked he could be sp five and I'd be okay

1153
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: with it. Like I just think I think these guys

1154
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 2: are all a good tier below Pavetta. That's what I'm saying.

1155
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: I think Paveda is like the last sexy name you

1156
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: need to even be crazy about, like what I'm deeming

1157
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: as to, you know, sexy in air quotes. But past

1158
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: these guys, like then it gets weird because like Turnbull,

1159
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's giving you. John means, I

1160
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: don't know what he's giving you. Martin Scott surgery last

1161
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: year too, right, so I guess surgery again.

1162
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got another one.

1163
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: Martin Perez is disgusting. But Hilli the innings, you know

1164
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: a bit before it can a spoon eat him up.

1165
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: Frankie Mantas, he's coming off another injury. We had a

1166
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: pretty decent second half when the Brewers were just like, hey,

1167
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 2: throw it ninety eight miles an hour as much as

1168
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: you can, and that helped him out.

1169
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 3: He's another guy who could be cheap, get another one

1170
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: year approven deal.

1171
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 2: Like there's some there's some weird, strange options down here.

1172
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 2: Reunion with Trevor Williams would be hilarious.

1173
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you about Trevor Williams. You want

1174
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: him back. He hill eat innings, he.

1175
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 3: Will lead innings.

1176
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: Last year, he ate innings, He ate things pretty fucking

1177
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: well last year. For that National seam was the real

1178
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: reason they actually hung around five hundred as long as

1179
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: they did. But if I have to think about like

1180
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: my top three guys below that even first, second, third tier,

1181
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's Nick Martinez. I think

1182
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: it's who's the next guy. Who's These guys are all

1183
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: worse than Poveda. I don't know, probably Martinez.

1184
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's killing this. This is a weird

1185
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 3: tier of pictures.

1186
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: You don't know you got nobody else? Well, I just

1187
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: I feel like you love the next tier above.

1188
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: Yes, that's here, above that, because's where I want to

1189
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: take this conversation, because I think if we do miss

1190
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: on so though, this is where we're gonna do its

1191
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: shit ton shopping is this next year above like, I

1192
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: think we'll be deep in on Snell, will be deep

1193
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: in on Burns, will be deep in on Free it

1194
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: will be deep in.

1195
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: On Usa Kokuchi.

1196
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we'll be and Walker Bueller and the

1197
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: pro and me and Iyah, but hopefully not Jack Flairy

1198
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: I that whole year. I like Jack Flaerity by far

1199
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: the least Weirdly, I would so much rather if you

1200
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: say Kochi than Jack Flair. I'll leave the best question.

1201
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: Kakuji has exploding splows, the fastball. The stuff is incredible,

1202
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: got better as the year went on. He's Kakuchi to me,

1203
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 2: seems like the sleeping monster of this free agent class.

1204
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be the one that we look back

1205
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: on because if you haven't checked his numbers, for those

1206
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: of you at home, which I'm sure most of you haven't,

1207
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 1: because he was pitching for the Astros and the Blue

1208
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: Jays this year, look at what he did with the Astros.

1209
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: It was and I'm not even saying this out of control.

1210
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: His time with the Astros, he was one of the

1211
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: most effective starting pitchers in baseball, literly, the one must

1212
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: effected starting pitches in baseball. And I'm pretty sure the

1213
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: adjustment they made with him was they told him to

1214
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: stop throwing a curveball. Yeah, they told him to basically

1215
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: stop throwing his curveball. Throw a lot more of these

1216
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: sliders in his fastballs because those two pitches are elite.

1217
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: The slider fastball are amazing. And when he was with

1218
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: the Astros, he was truly one of the best pitchers

1219
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: in baseball. It was like a thirteen K Pre nine

1220
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: in the IRA in the two s. Yeah, it was disgusting,

1221
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: supremely disgusting. I think that is the again, framing the

1222
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: conversation backster. He started the show what the Mets are

1223
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 1: going to do without one? So though, I think it's

1224
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: gonna be taking a huge chunk out of that tier

1225
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: Manaia Kakuchi Walker Bueller paveda paveda tier below. Got another

1226
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: one for you, trademarket Sonny Gray.

1227
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: I think Sonny Gray is a great one. The trademarked

1228
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 2: you don't like Sonny Gray as much as me, and

1229
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 2: I think Sonny Gray. I don't know how the phrase

1230
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: is because I've never met Sonny Gray and never talked

1231
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray. He seems to be like a starting pitcher,

1232
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 2: might be a tiny bit reluctant to certain the way

1233
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: days frame certain times for pitchers.

1234
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: Well, there is a story that came out and I

1235
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,959
Speaker 1: think this came out from foul territory. I think Kratz

1236
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: was talking about it because he's caught Sonny Gray or

1237
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: worked with Sony Gray a lot, especially in New York.

1238
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: That part of the issue with him and the Yankees

1239
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 1: was that the Yankees were telling him almost too specifically

1240
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: what pitches like. Sony Gray is a huge feel guy,

1241
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,320
Speaker 1: and if he's not feeling a pitch, he works through it.

1242
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: He's like, I gotta do this, I gotta do that.

1243
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: The Yankees wanted to change the picture of the way

1244
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: that he worked as a guy on the mound, and

1245
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: that was part of the reason why they did weren't successful,

1246
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: along with Larry Rawchild saying, hey, your best pitch, we

1247
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: don't want you to throw that anymore. That's big.

1248
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray, though, sneaky, not that durable of a guy.

1249
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 2: He's had some years out, but then like last two

1250
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,479
Speaker 2: years he's been pretty healthy, but then twenty one twenty

1251
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: two he only threw one hundred and thirty and one

1252
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: hundred twenty things those two years. Sonny Gray is someone

1253
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: really interesting. I think again the Cardinals is probably like, oh,

1254
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: fuck this contract, we don't want to pay this anymore.

1255
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 2: The one thing that scares me a little about Sny

1256
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: Gray doesn't scare me, but like I think something could

1257
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: change something. You just don't think he trust his fastball enough.

1258
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 2: Sony Gray is a fine fastball, and he has good location,

1259
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 2: Like the slider's amazing, the curveball's quite good.

1260
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: It's just if he wants to be able to get left,

1261
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: he's out when he leans so much on that sweeper.

1262
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: He has to trust that fastball more. Sometimes he just doesn't. Also,

1263
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: last two years, we've seen him and drews a color

1264
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: in a really meaningful way. So again something that the

1265
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: Mets has been doing with pitches, these fastball variations. He

1266
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: has the fast he has the four seemer, the two seamer,

1267
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: and the color to go along with the sweeper in

1268
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: the curveball. It's just it's a great mix of pitches.

1269
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Like if Sondy Gray's your two next year, you did

1270
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: a really really really good job, like a dream rotation.

1271
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: Oh dream rotation right here, Blake Snell co that is

1272
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 1: Sanga Sonny Gray, you said, Kakuchi, Nick Poveda, David Peterson.

1273
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: Bang, that's what that's the world. That's the world Series

1274
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: of rotation.

1275
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: It is what about us?

1276
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 2: My world's his rotation. I just I just shoehorned Pavett

1277
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: in there. He wouldn't be in there.

1278
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: This is simply a deep cut for the podcast people.

1279
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: Eric Fetty, he's available, and I.

1280
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: Don't think he's available, is he?

1281
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: He? Well, he's on a one year deal and I'm

1282
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: sure that.

1283
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: Was it was a two it was a two year deal.

1284
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1285
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: Oh for the Cardinals trade him, Yes, I mean yes,

1286
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 2: it would definitely take Eric Fetty. He was fucking awesome

1287
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: last year. I don't want him, but I just wanted

1288
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: to get you talking about Eric Fetty for a second.

1289
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean I called my shot, So go to Eric

1290
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: Fetty last year, you bother fucker I was. I nailed

1291
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: that one, and the Mets were in on it too.

1292
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: So again, Stern Yeager's everyone everyone's listening to Messed Up podcast.

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00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,359
Speaker 1: We know that, but I'll tell you a fun one.

1294
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: I would love to take a shot on. And we

1295
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: saw this team do just stupid ship what a few

1296
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: days ago? Three Detmers available. I'd love to get him in.

1297
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: He might be I liked.

1298
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: I'd like to get my hands on reading who says

1299
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: no and the Angels. He probably has a little too

1300
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: much Team control. There's also the element of I just

1301
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: haven't been that key then too. The Japanese players that

1302
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: are posting this year, Sasaki's not posting. If he did post,

1303
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 2: would be a very different thing because he would basically

1304
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: do the show hey thing where he would be signing.

1305
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: We have to give all of our international bonus money

1306
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 2: to get him, and then he would be in the

1307
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: arbitration system, so he'd before going hundreds of millions of

1308
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: dollars if he doesn't just wait another year.

1309
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: But and the Mets was just like killing all their

1310
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: international signings as well.

1311
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: Just like last year, showed to Imanaga like there is

1312
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: there someone's gonna break free that we'll know about yet

1313
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: probably like a mid rotation guy from Japan will break

1314
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: for you and be like, oh this guy who could

1315
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 2: get mid rotation money like code that two years ago.

1316
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what the name. Shout out my

1317
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: friend Wheels who lives in Japan and he watches MPB

1318
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: more than I think anybody. Oh, Sugano, is this one

1319
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: of the guys he was talking about?

1320
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: That is yes, I think he is one post he Sugana.

1321
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: I think he's a mid rotation guy with a big

1322
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: time split the Yeah, he's thirty five, so you're not

1323
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: gonna get a super big contract with him. But he's

1324
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: coming over, and I think there's there are a couple

1325
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: more guys that have not yet been announced, so I

1326
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: guess we'll just wait and see yeah and again.

1327
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: So maybe to wrap up this pitching session and move

1328
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 2: on talk about Hey, there's a few minutes before we

1329
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: go if the Mets don't get one, so look again,

1330
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: that's theme of the episode. Expect them to shop in

1331
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: that mid tier of pictures, hard to go a little

1332
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: bit above where they were last year. It was all

1333
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 2: the one year try and fix fixed, fixer upper deals,

1334
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: which we said before would be the guys like Lorenzen,

1335
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: a guy like Heeny, a guy like who would just

1336
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: say guy, a guy, Matt Boyd, I forgot my guy,

1337
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 2: Dick Martinez, Frankie Mantas to be that year of guys.

1338
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 2: Wade Miley, good chance Way Miley's and met next year.

1339
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: Definitely a good chance good chance Wayde Miley's and met

1340
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 2: next year. Martin Perez, he's just you know, ending either

1341
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: Spencer turn Bull.

1342
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: Did Colin Red get his thing picked up?

1343
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: Because he's also a former I couldn't even imagine that

1344
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: they would have picked out option up if they took

1345
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 2: down took down uh Devin Williams. But expect the Mess

1346
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: to shop hard in like the team with for Blake's

1347
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: now probably Burns and Freed, but probably priced them out

1348
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: with years. Probably of all do you think get for

1349
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: no years Flair? The's gonna want a fifth years are

1350
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 2: probably not him, But then going hard for Manaya, going

1351
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 2: hard for Kakuci and staying and going hard for Peveda.

1352
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: I bet those are three Mets targets more likely without

1353
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: want so though, yes.

1354
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: And then of course to talk about the hitting here,

1355
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: the Mets hitting options are bizarre because it really does

1356
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: depend on Wan Soto and Pee Alonzo. Those are two

1357
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: major key factors and what happens here. But you probably

1358
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: want a DH bat because the Mets don't really have

1359
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: one right now, or you at least want to have

1360
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: more versatile players that can play multiple positions, and then

1361
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: you could use the DH to give guys days off.

1362
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: Right now, like you said, Luke Greater, Jose Asokar and

1363
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 1: DJ Stewart are listed on the Mets bench. That's not

1364
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: going to be an acceptable bench for this The bodies.

1365
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: We need bodies, and we definitely need some depth.

1366
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's against bodies, and that's why I also think

1367
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: again even with her without one so though, I would

1368
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: be very surprised if the Mets jump hard for an

1369
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: Anthony Santander or a Teoscar Hernanzez, probably even a Tyler O'Neill.

1370
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: So I think this the Mets are going to have

1371
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 2: to because I think we said it before. We probably

1372
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 2: bring it back pe Alonzo. So then you have the

1373
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 2: corners handled. They probably bring in another depth center fielder,

1374
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: like we said before, Runie Harrison Baile. That makes a

1375
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: lot of sense with her without wan So though maybe

1376
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: without so it's a lot more possible that we do

1377
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 2: jump for the Santandre at the Oscar. But I just

1378
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: I still can't see us giving more than a two

1379
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: year deal to any of those guys. Maybe Tyler O'Neil

1380
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: is the one we give him more of a deal,

1381
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 2: but his defense also wasn't great last year, besides the

1382
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: arm being very good, Jersey bro Far to me, seems

1383
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: like a lock to wind up back in San Diego,

1384
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 2: who just seemed really happy there. It seems like it

1385
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 2: all worked really well there, But after that, the tier

1386
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: of Hithers isn't great. No, it's not at all.

1387
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: Michael Confordo, It's Alex Dugo, It's I mean love Jesse Winker.

1388
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: He's a part of that list as well. He's more platoony,

1389
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: but Jesse Winker's there, Max Kepler, Chason Hayward. I mean though,

1390
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: the outfield, this is why I want Soto so important

1391
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: to the outfield depth. This offseas is horrendous, and even

1392
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: on the trade market, not a lot available. And the

1393
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: one that I think everybody and their mother would want

1394
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: is Luis Robert. And we don't really know if he

1395
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: actually even is available.

1396
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 2: Or not, or how exorbitingly expensive he likely would be

1397
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 2: coming off a dreadful year. A lot of people don't

1398
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: really seem to like him the met's community. Otherwise, the

1399
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: one guy I want to talk about and give shine to.

1400
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: I mentioned it and my little tweeted did my bait

1401
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: tweet the other day and free agency tar that started.

1402
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 2: I think Michael can Fordo is a super interesting name.

1403
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: I really do, dude, he came.

1404
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: I just got another interesting name. Oh, I think that

1405
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: he's ever trade Brent Rooker.

1406
00:51:59,120 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 3: He's gonna cost.

1407
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 2: All I think a lot of people want pret at Rooker,

1408
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: but he's about four more years of control now, with

1409
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: one good year in his belt, and one of the

1410
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 2: worst defense defensive players in baseball.

1411
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: But here's what I'm gonna say. And I feel like

1412
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: we kind of forgot about this because we beat them

1413
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. But how many times do we bring up? Man,

1414
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: if only we fucking sign Kyle schwarb with that one offseason,

1415
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: how different this team could look. I feel like Bret

1416
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: Rooker could be that guy that you slot in for

1417
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty games. He's gonna hit your thirty

1418
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: home runs. He's gonna be a fucking beast up there.

1419
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: And I agree the price could be too expensive. The

1420
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: A's haven't traded him the last two years. How much

1421
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: higher can his stock get? He feels like he'd be awesome, though.

1422
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: The A's don't really ever trade the guys that close. Yeah,

1423
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean that far away from their their contracts expiring.

1424
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: They wait to that two year line. Brookers just not

1425
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: there yet. And they they're moving to a new city

1426
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: next year, a new ballpark. They need some baseball players

1427
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: in that team actually ended the season and maybe not

1428
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: they ended the season kind of Okay. I think I

1429
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: don't know a lot of people talk about Rooker. I

1430
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 1: really don't see that trade happening. I think it's just

1431
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: gonna cost too much for a corner guy with one

1432
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: good year under his belt. There's also I think a

1433
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: lot of caution and what a.

1434
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: Contract would look like for Anthony Santan there. This just

1435
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 2: to me, isn't the guy that you put money down for.

1436
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: He's not a good defensive player. Even last year with

1437
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: forty four home runs. You know it's on base percentage

1438
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 2: was three ten, threeh eight really good?

1439
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 1: God him so good?

1440
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, he chases the ball a lot. He's not It's

1441
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 3: just never been that consistent of a hitter.

1442
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: Switch hitter is great. I love the switch hitter, switching

1443
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: power hitter. This yes, just as hot as hell I

1444
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: should sexy.

1445
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 2: But he's the kind of guy where I'm like, oh,

1446
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: like I would even probably still rather give to ask

1447
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 2: Garrnand as a deal. And I don't think Taoskarnanda's market

1448
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: will be that much more ripe than it was last year.

1449
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: Like maybe he is the Kylee Shwarber for this team, Like,

1450
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: if you can you might be able to get away

1451
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: with given tioscar two for fifty and I think with

1452
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: that one so though though that contract to me makes

1453
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: a lot more sense in theize other guys out there,

1454
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: I would give.

1455
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 3: I would give three for.

1456
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: Three for sixty for Tyler O'Neal. Is that insane? I

1457
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: think it might be. I think it might be insane.

1458
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: Would you give Tyler o'nil two years? I think he

1459
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: gets more than two years, right, I think he had

1460
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 2: thirty homers last year in like what one hundred ten games?

1461
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: No, but it's the Fenway thing. I think we sometimes

1462
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: forget that, like Fenway's a baby ballpark to hit him

1463
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 1: and how many times? How many times have we seen

1464
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: an outfielder go to Boston and put up the best

1465
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: number of his career, go somewhere else and stink. Jason Bay,

1466
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: Jason Bed. I don't know he was.

1467
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 3: He was never bad with Saint Louis. He was just injured.

1468
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: Then his managers hated him.

1469
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1470
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: I think Tyler O'Neal is he's a fun one. He

1471
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: also he swings and misses so much, but I don't care.

1472
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: He doesn't chase that much anymore, like he hits the

1473
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: piss out of the ball. It takes Daddy hacks. The

1474
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: on base percentage is fine, like the arm is crazy,

1475
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 2: like I think him or tay Oscar makes sense. I

1476
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: think if you want to.

1477
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: Go cheap again, canfour, though, looked really good last year.

1478
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: For the first time in a long time, he hit

1479
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: the shit out of the ball.

1480
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 3: He hit the ball.

1481
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 2: He had some of the hardest balls he's hit in

1482
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: the last five years, all down the stretch. Last year

1483
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: he was really getting around on the second half. It

1484
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: was one of the big reasons I wanted to make

1485
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: that bet with you about the the Giants. Yeah, four

1486
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: of those kind of looking good right now. The only

1487
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: thing that he was doing, though, is that he was

1488
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: swinging missing more like he was making less contact than

1489
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 2: the zone. But he was hammering the balls. Take a

1490
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 2: Daddy Hacks again and he's gonna call it you one

1491
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 2: year ten mil. Yeah, I've got an interesting guy that

1492
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 2: can play a little bit of center field. About Mike Ustremsky,

1493
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: Can you play center field?

1494
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: He plays center field like pretty consistently, I think for

1495
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: this team. I like he is such a weird player

1496
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you right now, I don't get excited

1497
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: about the name Mike eu Stremsky at all. Like I

1498
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: hear Michael Stremsky. Whatever he used, the trade used to

1499
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: trade for him, get trade for him. I know, And

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00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: I think he's basically free. I don't think he's gonna

1501
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: cost that much money. I can't imagine he has any

1502
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: money really owed towards him. The year was not great,

1503
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: but defensively he's solid. It feels like he could be

1504
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: platoon ish e with Tyrone Taylor. I don't know, Like,

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00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: if you give up nothing for Mike Yastremsky, would you

1506
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: be interested?

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00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: Why do you think you're giving him nothing for him?

1508
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: Because he's thirty five? And do the Giants really care

1509
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: if Mike Eustremsky's there or not? Why is he?

1510
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: How is he already thirty four years old?

1511
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't know the Giants

1512
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: will probably I don't think he's an eighteen year old

1513
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: than a Dominican.

1514
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: I don't think he's that good. I don't think he's

1515
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: that good at all. I don't look at anything Mike'stremsky does.

1516
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: No.

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00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, he's like he's a he's a baseball player.

1518
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: He could be I guess a foil for Tyree on tailor.

1519
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 2: It's just a left people to him. But I don't

1520
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,959
Speaker 2: want a thirty five year old running around center field.

1521
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking. I just wanted to throw the

1522
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: name out there. I'm not saying, well, you gotta get

1523
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: mike Yostremsky if we're going to trade for a center fielder,

1524
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: there's two guys i'd rather prefer. But yeah, I mean to.

1525
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: But this also underscores the whole one solo conversation, just

1526
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: because this out this Mark is barren besides him, and

1527
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 2: I think sometimes they're scared the shot of me Michael

1528
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: can four those like the weird underdog sleeping option.

1529
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: I think Santandre's to clarify scares you in the way

1530
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: that he's not gonna be worth his contract. I think

1531
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna still be a good player. I just don't

1532
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: want to give him twenty plus million dollars a year

1533
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: for six years or whatever's gonna be. Oh.

1534
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 2: I actually don't even think he's gonna get that. I

1535
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 2: think the max he gets his four year deal, I

1536
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: would only give him a two year deal. It's just

1537
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: doesn't he's not the It's similar to the Marte conversation

1538
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: where when you signed him, I was like, this isn't

1539
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 2: the kind of guy at age as well, where it's

1540
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: the anti Schwarber, where it's all played discipline in power,

1541
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 2: which bowls age really well. Sometimes there's contact and chase,

1542
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 2: like if you if you just started missing a few

1543
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: more of those pitches, because you lose a little bit

1544
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 2: more of athleticism, you lose a little more that quickness

1545
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 2: of the reaction because you get a little older. He

1546
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 2: becomes significantly worse player Southern giving twenty four million dollars

1547
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 2: a year to we gob an under three hundred one

1548
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: base percent. You just simply can't do that, which is

1549
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 2: why again the oscars but better for me Winkers. Definitely,

1550
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 2: I would take Wigger for a one year deal before

1551
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: I Again, then your Winkers does start to make more

1552
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 2: sense of that one so though, But it's it's kind

1553
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: of barren after so though. So that's why he's holding

1554
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: his little scary another guy who I think is interesting you.

1555
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: I probably like him a lot more than you. Max

1556
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 2: Kapler is interesting to me.

1557
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you definitely like him more, but I I'm in

1558
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: the interesting boat. I would give him a shot for

1559
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 1: the right deal.

1560
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably doesn't get more than a two year deal.

1561
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 2: It might even be surprised if he even gets a

1562
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: two year deal.

1563
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: Stinky.

1564
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he does play a good defense corner Alphield.

1565
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: He has a really good arm.

1566
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: Has been stinky, but he's a hoss like there's there's

1567
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: there's life like he might not be that different than

1568
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 2: n nissans on there in the next few years.

1569
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 3: And he's lefty, so I guess kind of lefty back.

1570
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 1: That's a bold one. I don't know about that.

1571
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 3: I said he might.

1572
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: I said might, didn't say well, I said might. All right,

1573
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 2: it's possible. I'm saying I don't know. I love sitting

1574
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: on the fence of pre agency. That's kind of the

1575
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 2: best part about this.

1576
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: But the big thing we're trying to drive home is

1577
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: that it's not the best market for hitters after one,

1578
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: so don't appeal on soo're really not good at all,

1579
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: which uh either. To wrap it up here, we want

1580
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 1: Won Soda and the Mets. The podcast stance will always

1581
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: be Wan Soto, Wan Soda, Wan Soda, Wan Sodo. Whatever

1582
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: the comments section says, this is the last time we're

1583
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna talk about not signing this guy until we find

1584
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: out where he goes. Because Wan Soda needs to be

1585
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: a New York met there's no other option. Bring him here.

1586
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: It's not there's no other option, but this is the

1587
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: absolute number one first prefer the options start with Wan.

1588
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: So thot one hundred and forty million dollars put this

1589
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: roster next year. You gave him forty five of them,

1590
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: and you still have ninety million to spread out, like

1591
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: six more players.

1592
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: Give him fifty five, get crazy, get crazy.

1593
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 3: Aaron Judge. Aaron Judge makes forty. He's not gonna get

1594
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: much more.

1595
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: Get crazy. Let's just pretend he gets fifty five. Then

1596
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: we still have so much more even still to sp.

1597
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a bowl prediction, but I

1598
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: would bet under forty and a half million eight ave.

1599
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: I like that line. I like that one. I'm gonna

1600
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: go over bet. Yeah, we'll bet.

1601
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 3: We'll we betting steak steak.

1602
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do steak. I already owe you a

1603
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: steak right now. Trap me because I was drinking the

1604
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: Pirates school aid. We will you do figure out if

1605
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: you're made this to the bet, if you made an

1606
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: hour into a YouTube video, because we're sick fucks and

1607
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: we'll talk forever. Let us know in the comment section.

1608
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 2: With the Betroba, Yeah, with the Wan solo AAV forty

1609
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: and a half million dollars a year, I'm going under.

1610
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 3: But again again it does.

1611
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: It's not as great to disperse that money as I

1612
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 2: think some people think it will be. Yes, I just

1613
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 2: don't think it especially average. Anyways, you get pi Alonzo

1614
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: twenty five million of it, now we have one hundred

1615
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: and fifteen million to spend. You give Sean and I

1616
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,479
Speaker 2: a twenty one million of it now we have ninety

1617
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: six million lefts to spend. Then then okay, then you

1618
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 2: give Corbyn Burns thirty five million of it. Now suddenly

1619
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: we have sixty million left and we still have a

1620
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: hole in a bat and we still need two full

1621
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: starting pitchers. It goes away fast with or without want.

1622
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 2: So though, if you still shop that leupper tier, this

1623
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: Mets offseason will be defined first by one solo and

1624
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 2: second how creative they can be with these pitchers in

1625
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: the middle and lower tiers.

1626
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 1: And I can't stress enough the New York Yankees put

1627
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: all their money into three or four players and they

1628
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: were the World Series. The Dodgers put all their money

1629
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: into four or five players. Granted they're amazing, but that's

1630
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: what you do. Of them were hurts, though, That's what

1631
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,959
Speaker 1: you do when you have elite generationtional talent. Wan Soda

1632
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: is that guy, and hopefully we sign him and we

1633
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: don't ever have to actually think about what happens if

1634
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: we don't. And this was a waste of a video then,

1635
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 1: but great video.

1636
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 2: Gave you guys a big off season podcast pretending that

1637
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: Want so it doesn't exist, showing you how bleaked the

1638
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: world would be if he didn't.

1639
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: And now we can move on get back to Want

1640
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 3: Soda content this week.

1641
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: Of course, guys, thank you so much for listening and

1642
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: watching this episode of Mets Up. We appreciate you. It

1643
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: makes you subscribe over on the YouTube channel. You guys

1644
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 1: have been amazing supporting over there. That downloads have been

1645
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: incredible too, if you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify

1646
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: or overcast, whatever it is, we really appreciate it. This

1647
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: is our first off season that we actually get to

1648
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: do stuff. We're gonna be pumping out content. Jet Williams

1649
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: interview out later this week. I think yeah, I think later.

1650
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: We wanted to keep you guys a big one from Monday,

1651
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: and then we'll just see how things happen and then

1652
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: think if Sean and I sign's extension, you guys can

1653
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 2: get a video immediately.

1654
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll tell you this five pm. The guy

1655
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be out before five pm

1656
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: on Monday, free agency officially starts, so moves will be happening.

1657
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: If the Mets make anything, you will hear our instant reaction.

1658
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 3: From yes, well, we're ready to rock and roll.

1659
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: Give you guys a lie and also, you guys have

1660
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: a video ideas dropping in the comment shoo up on Twitter.

1661
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: We did the tier list because someone said it to us.

1662
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: We're happy to take advice from you guys, like there's

1663
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 2: a community. We're all in this together.

1664
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys. Thank you for listening, watching. We'll catch

1665
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: you on the next episode.

1666
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 3: Peace, Peace out, guys, Let's fucking go, Mets.