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Speaker 1: Black and Gold Football keeps here. You're listening to s

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Speaker 1: n R Welcome back. I am Dale Lally here with

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Speaker 1: Craig Wolfley and Bob Lariola also joining us here at

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Honor induction ceremony here at Akershuer Stadium

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Speaker 1: U two class Heath Miller, Myron Cope, Sam Davis, and

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Speaker 1: Ray Matthews all going into the Hall of Honor and

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Speaker 1: Bob I did want to get back to the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Honor museum. Uh, the of course opened up on

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Speaker 1: earlier this week. Uh, just the amount of work that

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Speaker 1: went into that, and if you haven't seen it yet,

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Speaker 1: you need to get down there and see it. If

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Speaker 1: if you're even if you're not a Steeler fan, if

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Speaker 1: you're just a fan, I'm sorry that doesn't exist, but

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if if you're not even even if

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Speaker 1: you're not a Steeler fan, but you're a fan of history,

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Speaker 1: just to get down there and look at the old

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Speaker 1: photos that you know, some of the stuff that's done

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Speaker 1: here that the memorabilia, Um, it's it's unbelievable. Yeah, and UM,

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Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of things. You know. One

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Speaker 1: of the things that uh was really interesting to me

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Speaker 1: was Um, I got an opportunity to you know, and

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Speaker 1: this was back in the thirties and it was so

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Speaker 1: it was even before the draft, so you know, you're

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Speaker 1: you're trying to callble together players anyway you can. And

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Speaker 1: there is a letter that Arntroney Senior road to a

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Speaker 1: guy never I mean, it wasn't worth it. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's people don't understand that there were a lot like

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Speaker 1: the Steelers first ever draft pick, first pick of the

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Speaker 1: first round of the first NFL draft. Um, well, not

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Speaker 1: the first overall pick, but the franchise is first first round.

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Speaker 1: Shakespeare William Shakespeare, Bill Shakespeare from Notre Dame. Wow. Um,

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Speaker 1: the Shakespearean guy that I am. Yeah, and um, you

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Speaker 1: know he said to be a football player or not

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Speaker 1: to be a football player. I ain't interested. But you know,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine being you know, that even being a consideration.

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Speaker 1: Now you know you're a first round pick, um, and no,

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Speaker 1: I think I'd rather get a job. Um. So that's amazing.

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Speaker 1: It was. It was not a it was not a

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Speaker 1: glamorous business necessarily, and you know, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: to me, a lot of the greatness of Art Rooney Sr.

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Speaker 1: Was keeping this franchise viable because you know, there's a

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Speaker 1: quote down there from him. Um you know he said,

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Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing it, but it's it's exact on the all.

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Speaker 1: In other words, he said, you know, winning on Sundays

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Speaker 1: was great, but meeting the payrolls on Monday that was

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Speaker 1: even better, because then that was a real thing. It

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Speaker 1: was a real thing. I mean it really Uh you know,

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Speaker 1: the NFL didn't become the NFL until the fifties, and

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Speaker 1: it was late fifties and even that became a thing,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and even then, um, you know, it

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Speaker 1: still wasn't necessarily lucrative, uh lucrative business. So it is

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Speaker 1: now Les Luck who's here? Oh my goodness, but that

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Speaker 1: had set on brother, And let's get to some commits

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Speaker 1: in here. We're now joined by Lewis Lips re member

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Honor class. How you doing. I'm great, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm great. Hey. Let me just start off, brother, congratulations

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Speaker 1: so well deserved. You're looking better than ten movie stars

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Speaker 1: just sitting there. Man, Absolutely no, I'm so happy for you. Man.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You're looking. Man, what an honor?

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Speaker 1: What an honor? Sir man I told Bob Pop at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, he had an interview with

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Speaker 1: him today, and uh, I told him, I said, man,

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Speaker 1: this is my super Bowl Man. Awesome, awesome. You don't

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Speaker 1: got home. I got home. I got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: tremendous ability to return punts and you it was like

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Speaker 1: Bob didn't know that. And I told Bob, I said, Man,

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Speaker 1: I said, I was a better baseball player then I

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Speaker 1: He'd come to you, he said. Mr wolf Lee said,

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Speaker 1: Antonine rand was another noted punt returner. He was a

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Speaker 1: too early for rothlessous. That is tremendous, right, Yeah, hey man,

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Speaker 1: He said, I'm studying you like you studied right right.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's where I got it from. See I

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Speaker 1: just Donnie just hit you, that's all. Well he did.

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Speaker 1: He did do that. He airmailed me one time, and

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Speaker 1: I'll never rolled right up to Chuck's feet. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Chuck looked at me some very impressive. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Donnie boy, Donnie, take you out. Man, Oh you're not kidding.

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Speaker 1: They ain't called him to Louie, you gotta sit there

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Speaker 1: a decade later, a decade or two later, the proliferation

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Speaker 1: if you wanted to getting go, Like you said, ginormous vocabulary. Well,

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Speaker 1: the impact that you made on the on those teams

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Speaker 1: I'm going, yeah, I'm not having any fun whatsoever. That

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to get your job, and you're helping me

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Speaker 1: the right things. That was the culture of that locker room,

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Speaker 1: and that does happen in some other places, right right, exactly. So,

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Speaker 1: But thank you, Louis. We appreciate you. I'm so thrilled

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Speaker 1: for you. Hall of Honor looks good on you man.

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Speaker 1: For me than the great Louis Lips. Remember Hall of

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Speaker 1: twenty Hall of Honor class. That would be tight End

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Speaker 1: Heats Miller. Um wait, I don't hear it, almost miss

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Speaker 1: there going you know, the whole thing about it. Every

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