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Speaker 1: have a guy who's been offered by two PAC twelve

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Speaker 1: program today, head coach from Arizona, and we have an

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Speaker 1: interview with Dennis Dodd from CBS as well. I'm George Ristor,

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Speaker 1: He's Ralph Ampston and this is the PAC twelve Apostles.

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Speaker 1: allowed here. UM, We're we're gonna shoot it to you straight.

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Speaker 1: We love the Pack twelve, but you know we're not

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Speaker 1: And also listened to us as well on the Rights

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Speaker 1: I both know you can't play two sports in college.

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Speaker 1: So Dennis Dodd, he provided a lot of interesting comments

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Speaker 1: Dodd was was dead on about, was that, like the

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve has to be able to to um have

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Speaker 1: the cash to to compete to bring in some of

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Speaker 1: the best talent as far as coaches, much less keep

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Speaker 1: them in the conference. And the second thing that I

434
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Speaker 1: thought was super interesting is he said that they need

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Speaker 1: to shut down the PAC twelve network completely, and then

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Speaker 1: I heard you jump in and agree with him in

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Speaker 1: that moment a we are you Are you sure that's

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Speaker 1: the that's the move? Wouldn't it? Wouldn't it just be

439
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Speaker 1: to be able to have somebody on board who can

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Speaker 1: actually sell these carriage rights to two people who actually

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Speaker 1: have access to people's homes. Well, okay, so what I

442
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Speaker 1: meant by that was is sell it in terms of

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Speaker 1: not not scrapping the Pack twelve networks entirely scrapping it

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Speaker 1: in its current existence, which is doing it all on

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Speaker 1: your on your own. I think that you do need

446
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Speaker 1: to have a big media partner, and moving to CBS

447
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Speaker 1: for the Pack twelve Game of the Week or even

448
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Speaker 1: having multiple Pack twelve games on CBS on Saturday is

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Speaker 1: the answer. I think, because you you solve a couple

450
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Speaker 1: of problems. The SEC actually takes a little bit of

451
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Speaker 1: its availability away if it puts games on ESPN because

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Speaker 1: every it doesn't have ESPN, even though the majority of

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Speaker 1: people do. But if they put those games on ABC,

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Speaker 1: which they probably will, the big Game of the like

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Speaker 1: the SEC Game of the week, it will be at

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Speaker 1: you know, noon, and then they'll have the four thirty game,

457
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Speaker 1: which Kirk herb Street will will probably be on unless

458
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Speaker 1: they put that game as it's gonna be an SEC

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Speaker 1: game every week starting. So I think there's still some

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Speaker 1: details to be worked out there. So I think that

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00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: the pat twelve needs to do what the Big ten

462
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Speaker 1: and the SEC did and by I'm sorry and have

463
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Speaker 1: a partner with either UM well, Fox isn't an option

464
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: anymore and neither is ESPN. So you have to look

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Speaker 1: at CBS, maybe even NBC for some of your games

466
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Speaker 1: as well to make sure that you do still have

467
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Speaker 1: that exposure and it will actually give you more exposure.

468
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Speaker 1: So now your games can actually be a part of

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Speaker 1: the CBS app which is Paramount Plus now, which so

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Speaker 1: many people have because so many people were subscribing to

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Speaker 1: CBS All Access now as the Paramount network. So now

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Speaker 1: you've partnered there, So now you have the streaming aspect

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00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: to on a mainstream UM platform that would be a

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00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: big win for for recruiting services like seven who are

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Speaker 1: part of the CBS network, and people could sell stuff

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Speaker 1: in conjunction with you know, so uh, a little bit

477
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: of a rough play for for Rivals, I think in that.

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Speaker 1: But then again, Yahoo has the ability to broadcast some

479
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Speaker 1: of these games, and and Rivals is under Yahoo, so

480
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: maybe they should get involved involved in some way UM

481
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: as well. I just think that the PACTWEL network needs

482
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Speaker 1: to exist, if for no other reason than we're entering

483
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: the uh, the war that is going to become who

484
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Speaker 1: does the best job as far as name, image and

485
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: likeness and um and and and you're already seeing schools

486
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Speaker 1: start to do very interesting things. I don't know if

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00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: you saw the commit out of usc UM a couple

488
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Speaker 1: of days ago, the tight end key on Burnett, I

489
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: think is is his name. They put together what was

490
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: maybe one of the most peculiar edits I've ever seen,

491
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: and it was like him is half football player, him

492
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: is half businessman. But when they had a real estate sign,

493
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: and with a real estate sign, and he was handing

494
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: himself the keys, but he was also he was handing

495
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Speaker 1: himself the keys, but he was also the real estate

496
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: agent but with a different haircut, and also inside the stadium. Um,

497
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: there's definitely a lot going on in that, but that's

498
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: the product of name, image and likeness. Like people are,

499
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: people are reaching, and they're trying to be overly creative

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00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: with a lot of these things. And I think you

501
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: need the Pactwel Network, if for no other reason than

502
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: maybe they're not gonna be broadcasting games, but you should

503
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: have a skeleton crew at least of people who work

504
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: for the Pactwel Network that get on a plane, fly

505
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: out to these schools and do twenty minute interviews with

506
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Speaker 1: all the star players at all the different schools that

507
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: you can then air their story with background interviews, photos

508
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: and stuff like that on the Pactrol Network to help

509
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: people get to know these stars more and then really

510
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: push that content. But you got to get to the

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Speaker 1: point basically where you're giving that away for free because

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Speaker 1: otherwise nobody's gonna watch it. Yep uh. Did you have

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Speaker 1: any other takeaways from the Dennis Dott interview? I did.

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Speaker 1: I did. Um. He was he was pretty optimistic about

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00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: University of Washington, and I was wondering how you were

516
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: taking that. I was like, have you seen poo pooking

517
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: the cool and transfer their wide receiver room is a disaster.

518
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Speaker 1: We will we will see though, what what Jimmy Lake,

519
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to take over a program from

520
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Peterson and do it your own way

521
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: and all of that. There's gonna be some attrition. So

522
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: but there shouldn't have really been that much attrition, being

523
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: that everybody was there already. So I think this year

524
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be a telltale sign for him and for Washington.

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Speaker 1: Then the coop a thing Um Pokua and Samson Nicula

526
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: who left Utah right, they both just linked up to

527
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: play for b y U together. So the brothers wanted

528
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: to play together. And so that really to me doesn't

529
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Speaker 1: come off as as anything other than um a unique

530
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: opportunity that they're both embracing to be teammates UM. Whereas

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Speaker 1: if you're a Utah fan or a Washington fan, it

532
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: might feel like this guy is falling. But I just

533
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: think that it worked out in a way that the

534
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: two of them had the opportunity to play together UM

535
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: in a situation that I think maybe one of their

536
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: parents had passed away and they were making reference to

537
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: UM in in in their commitment announcements of being able

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: to play together and honor that situation that to me

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00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it's indicative of an unhealthy situation at

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Speaker 1: Utah or Washington. Though that may be the case based

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00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: on some of the transfers that we've seen, I don't

542
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: think that the Kua's are reflective of that. If that

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00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: makes sense, Yeah, no, I would agree with that. UM.

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00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: Next thing up, we have a another really good interview,

545
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: but first we got to check out our reviews, our reviews,

546
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: so it is packed twelve apostile. This is one of

547
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: the best parts of the whole entire program, where we

548
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: go over our reviews from you guys, our ratings and reviews.

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00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: Do we have any new ones? Ralph? I hope I

550
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: didn't just make us look foolish. I'm pulling it up now, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm. I'm always excited to check, especially because we've

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Speaker 1: got some people that are actually going in and updating

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00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: their their reviews from week to week. And we actually

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00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: had some pretty cool feedback about last week's show. So

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00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: let's see, Oh, we do we do? We do? Here

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Speaker 1: we go. We have one new review. It's from Monday.

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Speaker 1: UM and the title of this review from burn m

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Speaker 1: is wrong, wrong, wrong, but oh so right, which is

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Speaker 1: super creative. So here we go. I'm gonna read this

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Speaker 1: to you. This may be a five star rating, but

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00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: this program is much like My Son Devil's, a program

562
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: that every year has massive stential, but instead they turn

563
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: out to be a consistent seven and five team that

564
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: is destined for the sun Ball. Which is to say

565
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: that this podcast is a winning program with lots of

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00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: hype and outrageous moments. If you're a Pack twelve football

567
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: junkie like I am, then you need to be subscribed

568
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: to Pack twelve Apostles. Furthermore, I wanted on the record

569
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: that the road to the Pack twelve championship is going

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00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: through Tempy Daniels is not only going to win the

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00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: South and take the Pack, he is going to take

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00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: the Sun Devils to the playoffs. Oh do you? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's outrageous? How about George Singh Reese's

574
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: peanut butter cups aren't delicious? Why bring this up? Because

575
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: George is wrong six of the time plus our minus.

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Speaker 1: I did not leave this review, but this next sentence

577
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: is pretty great. In short, this show is carried by

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00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: Ralph and worth your time, keep up the good work

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Speaker 1: and go devils. Oh my god, you guys want to

580
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: You guys can leave us ratings like that which we

581
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: love here, or you guys can hit up the secret

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Speaker 1: textos line eight one, eight, two, nine, three seven, five

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Speaker 1: four seven eight one eight two nine three seven five

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Speaker 1: four seven and we will respond to you. Um yeah,

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00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, that was that was a classic review. What

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Speaker 1: do you think about that? What do you think? Because

587
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: I am of the mindset that if this is not

588
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: at least a ten win season, it's a massive failure.

589
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: Massive failure, like look for a new coach failure. Okay,

590
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: so they are in a position where they are not

591
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: gonna win ten ten games. But um, yeah, so they're

592
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: not gonna win ten ten games. I'm sorry. All right.

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00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: The next thing up, oh, get out of here. Um,

594
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Speaker 1: the next thing up. We have a really good interview.

595
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: I was a what to do from coach jaed Fish

596
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: from Arizona. Here it is coach, welcome to the show.

597
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate you having me and

598
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: fired up to be here talking about Arizona Wildcat football

599
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: with you. All right, So I know that there is

600
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: a big change for you because in the three months

601
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: before you were named Arizona's had football coach on December

602
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: twenty three, you had tweeted eleven times, and then in

603
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: the two months since then, you've tweeted over a hundred

604
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: and fifty times. What is the difference, Well, you know,

605
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: when you get to a university or you get back

606
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: to a university. Uh, part of our jobs is to

607
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: really market our football program and the recruitment process and

608
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: the connection with sixteen, seventeen and eighteen year old in

609
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: the recruiting world, and then your own team and then

610
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: your fan base. And it's very different than in pro football.

611
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: And after spent the last three years and hold football,

612
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: it's it's great to be back in college and really

613
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: much more out there in the community and obviously through

614
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: social media being able to get our fan base excited

615
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 1: about we're about what we're about to get started. What

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00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: what made you want to get back into college because

617
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: so many times, like guys seem to be exiting the

618
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: college game now to be like, no, I want to

619
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: get to the n NFL because they don't want to

620
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: have to recruit or whatever. What made you want to

621
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: come back to college, Well, I always point to a

622
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: few things when you talk about college football, and you know,

623
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Speaker 1: really what what I look at is school spirit of

624
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: the passion that goes along with the United Big university

625
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: and sports around all the sports teams, and the idea

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00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: of being able to just be energized and you're blue

627
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: and red and white, and and then I pointed energy, enthusiasm,

628
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: and the development of the student athlete. And when you

629
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Speaker 1: look at those four things, those four reasons, you know,

630
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: it's just a different type of passion that you have

631
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: when you're coaching the younger kids and the people that

632
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: really beginning to understand and grasp the game of football

633
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: and help get them to where they want to be.

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00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: And I've always said, you know, you have a chance

635
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: when you're coach in college to get invited to their

636
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: wedding and to their draft day. And there's nothing cooler

637
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: than affect them both personally and professionally. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

638
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: And last time you were in college, you were at

639
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: u C. L A and you were the officer coordinator

640
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach and then served as the interim head coach.

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Speaker 1: What did you learn about the Pack twelve during during

642
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: that stop that made you say all right. Cool. The

643
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: PAC twelve is a place that I want to be. Yeah,

644
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: it was a it was a great time. It was

645
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: unfortunately too short of a time. Uh. I left Michigan

646
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: to come to u C. L A. I love my

647
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: time working for Jim Mora. Unfortunately things didn't work out

648
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: in that season. You know, we had a good year.

649
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: We were five football team, we went to a bowl game.

650
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: But what I learned is that every single week you

651
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: can win and every single week you can lose in

652
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: the Pac twelve, and you're in a situation where it

653
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: is a competitive environment. There's an incredible amount of parody

654
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: in college football, and especially in the Pac twelve. And um,

655
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be able to compete on a weekly

656
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: basis with teams very similar to you, built in a

657
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 1: very similar manner. Um, it's super fun and super cool.

658
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 1: And the weather is pretty good too. I learned that. Yeah. Yeah, well,

659
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: well actually it depends on where in the Pac twelve

660
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: that you are, because there are some places in the

661
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: FACT twelve that have some undesirable weather. Um, and I

662
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: think that's what yeah, exactly, not in Tucson, but I

663
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: think that that's what makes the Pac twell, very unique

664
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 1: right is that you're in the SEC. Like maybe you

665
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: may play in a in the snow at Vanderbilt like

666
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: once every teen years. But aside from that, like you

667
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: don't get the seasons and the different weather that you

668
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: do in the Pac twelve, which I think provides a

669
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: different challenge that other conferences don't face. But you when

670
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: you got to Arizona, you had a bunch of guys

671
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: that were in the transfer portal. You had, you know,

672
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: the roster didn't look to be in very good good shape.

673
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: But how were you able to convince so many of

674
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: the players that we're in the transfer portal or said

675
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: that they were leaving to come back, including guys like

676
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: Jamari join Her and other guys who had options to

677
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: play elsewhere. Well, we were honest with them, and uh,

678
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: that's kind of been our philosophy from the beginning, and

679
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: we've taken a very personal approach to everything we've done.

680
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: Relationships matter to us. It's also personal when people say

681
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: they want to leave a program that you just got

682
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: to and I took it as a competitive, let's say,

683
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: a competitive insult there for all a few weeks and

684
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: we worked extremely hard to get those guys back. And

685
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: we were very successful in doing so. UM I was

686
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 1: concerned that are four of our wide receivers were in

687
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: the portal. All four of them came back in UM.

688
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: We were able to gain um and advantage through the

689
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: transfer portal and bring ten players from other programs into

690
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: our program. UH. So we've been able to both not

691
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: lose people to the portal and then in the same

692
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: token bring people in from the portal. So it has

693
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: been an ally of ours. But it's very simple. You know,

694
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 1: if you work extremely hard and your enthusiastic and energetic

695
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: about your job, and you believe in what we're selling

696
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: and believe in what we're telling UM, getting guys to

697
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: come back wasn't nearly as difficult as the perception was

698
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: because guys wanted to be a part of our tremendous

699
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: coaching staff that we have in place right now. Yeah,

700
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: and I've think part of the thing so I I

701
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: do a Pack twelve podcast like aside from this, this

702
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: is what where we focus heavily on the conference. And

703
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: one of the things that we that we've talked about

704
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of times is is the uh, the the

705
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: way that Arizona and Arizona State haven't necessarily recruited the

706
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: state of Arizona very well. And you have, you know,

707
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: three of three of kind of the Heisman favorites for

708
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: next year in like Spencer Rattler, Keaton Slovan's and other

709
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: kids who are from the state of Arizona but didn't

710
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: either get the looks or weren't recruited hard enough by Arizona.

711
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: Is that something that well, Arizona, Arizona state. Do you

712
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: think that that's something that you're gonna focus on, like

713
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: specifically the state of Arizona. Yeah, it's our main focus.

714
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: We're very we're very serious about bringing every good player

715
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: and great player from the state of Arizona to the

716
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: University of Arizona. We just got here. So what the

717
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: decisions that were made in the past um from our

718
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: university was there just was the decisions that were made

719
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: by another group, the decisions that are made by the

720
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: school up north. That's their decision on who they want

721
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: to recruit for us. We want Arizona kids to come

722
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: to Arizona. We want to be able to go get

723
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: the very best in the state and bring them here.

724
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: We've offered nineteen kids in the state. We've offered We've

725
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: signed Um Gunner Crews who came in as a transfer

726
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: coming back to the state of Arizona. We brought in

727
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: Alex Lines transferred back to the state of Arizona. We

728
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 1: brought in Drake Anderson, we brought in Gunner Mother Nado

729
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: back to the state of Arizona. Jason Harris back to

730
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: the state of Arizona. So in our short time here,

731
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: in our two months, we've we've managed to go seek

732
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: out and find um some of the best players from

733
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: the state Arizona that left Arizona and bring them back in.

734
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: And we're very proud of that and very excited about

735
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: And then we know moving forward we need to attack

736
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: the state and I get the very best to come

737
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: play for us. And we're on with coach Jetfish. He's

738
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: a head football coach at the University of Arizona and

739
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,479
Speaker 1: Coach I think that that's a great point because ten

740
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: years ago, Arizona didn't have the type of talent in

741
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 1: the state like they do now. Like it's aside from California,

742
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: it's got to be the the the top producing state

743
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: of on on the West Coast, especially um for for

744
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: college talent. So UM, if you're looking at Like I

745
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: noticed now one of the things that I always get

746
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: confused about. I mean, even though I have a kid

747
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: who's a freshman, I understand the game. I never understand

748
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: like why schools send out so many offers for for

749
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: twenty five spots, Like there is a team that could

750
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: be in the state of Arizona that's sent like four

751
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: dred offers out for like spots. Do you think it's

752
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: better to do that or be smaller, like maybe like

753
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: a I know Stanfords under a different situation academically, but

754
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 1: send out, you know, sixty seventy hundred offers as opposed

755
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: to a number that kind of dilutes the pool. You know.

756
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: I think it's a tricky deal, and I think every

757
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: team has to handle it in a different way. You

758
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: have to do. You only have X amount of resources

759
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: and X amount of bodies and X amount of time

760
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: in a day. So when you start really sitting there

761
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: and going overboard to the point that you can't give

762
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: the personal attention you want to give to a recruit,

763
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: you can't know their parents name, you can't know that,

764
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: you don't know they're where they're from and how they're doing. Um,

765
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, than than really, what are you doing right

766
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 1: now just throwing an offer out there. But if you

767
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: feel like you can offer a hundred kids or eighty

768
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 1: kids or a hundred and thirty kids and have enough

769
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: people that are on top bit and know about them

770
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: and nowhere what it's best and what they want in life,

771
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: then I think you can recruit as many as you want.

772
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: So it really depends on how many people can your

773
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: coaching staff keep track of and how many you know

774
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: people can they talk to you on a nightly basis

775
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: and text and send letters to And it's very important

776
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: for us to have that personal connection. And that's why

777
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: we're still sending close to a hundred handwritten letters every

778
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: day out because it matters to us. And we can't

779
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: just do that, Um, if we just offer everybody that walks.

780
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: We've got to make sure we do a great job

781
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: of identifying talent. And that's why we built the personnel

782
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: department for that reason. Okay, so I've noticed that there

783
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: are at colleges who recruit well, that they're that they're

784
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: recruiting staffs and there you know analysts, and that that

785
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: those departments have gotten a lot bigger, And that seemed

786
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: to be something that was that was important to you

787
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: at Arizona. Is that something that you're continuing to to

788
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: expand And what's the actual goal for you guys recruiting

789
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: in the next one to five years. To be honest

790
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: with you, when it comes to recruiting, we're looking to

791
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: get the very best players we can possibly find, how

792
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: we get them, how we locate, and where we get

793
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: them from. Um in regards to you know, where where

794
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: we got their names from or how we attack it

795
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: is is really not as relevant for me as it

796
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: is you know, building the relationships at the high school coaches,

797
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: building relationships the players, and finding a way to get

798
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: the very best players in the state of Arizona and

799
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: uh the west coast of the country, then the world

800
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: of Texas and then continue to build ourselves eastward and north.

801
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: But we got to be very smart and very selective

802
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: in terms of how much time we can spend, how

803
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: much resources we could spend go to different places. And

804
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: we also know that, you know, it's hard to get

805
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: people to skip over twenty states to get to yours.

806
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: So it's really important for us to identify the right people,

807
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: get those people on our campus, let them experience what

808
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: we're all experiencing the passion and the love of the

809
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: game that we have and then see how that all

810
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: plays itself out, and that's what we're most excited about.

811
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: You guys have used a hashtag that I that I

812
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: have enjoyed seeing and that is it's personal. What does

813
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: its personal mean? I don't want to put words in

814
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: your mouth. Yeah, it's personal refers to everything we do

815
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: in our program. We build personal relationships, We get to

816
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: know one another, we help to educate one another. We

817
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: take on a very serious let's call it philosophy in

818
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: regards to how we attack training, how we attack the

819
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: weight room. We have a little chip on our shoulder

820
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: in regards to UH some of the things that might

821
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: have been said regarding us or our program. We understand

822
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: that it's personal to us to um make it the

823
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: very best decisions and everything we do in life, we

824
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: never put our teammates at risk, we never put our

825
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: teammates in harms way. It's personal to us to get

826
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: the best grades. It's personal to us to be the

827
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: best in community service, and it's personal us when the

828
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: whistle blows to give the absolute best effort we possibly

829
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: can to our football team. For our football team. The

830
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Pac twelve put out the schedule. How how did you

831
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: feel about your your bye weeks and your set up

832
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: for your your schedule. I think it's uh, we obviously

833
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: know that nine teams we're gonna play every year. Um.

834
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: You know, a couple of them rotate in the in

835
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: the Northern Division, you know. Um, I would just say

836
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve South, we know the teams we're

837
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: gonna play, we know where we're gonna play them, we

838
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: know who are non conference opponents are gonna be. We

839
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: know we're gonna play them early, and then we're gonna

840
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: play the nine conference games in a row. We end

841
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: up going bye week after our fourth game, which is

842
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: one third of the way through, we'll end up playing

843
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: eight in a row. We've to Friday night games mix

844
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: in there. I love our schedule because I love to compete.

845
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: And whoever we play, and whenever we play them, we're

846
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: gonna give it our absolute best shot. And we're gonna

847
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 1: walk into that stadium and walk onto that field with

848
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: the expectation that we uh, we can win that game.

849
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: And that is our plan and that's our plan of attack,

850
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: regardless of the we can we play that. What what

851
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: does success look like for for for you coach Fish

852
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: in year one at Arizona. Yeah, that's a hard one

853
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: to define. I mean, my our goal is to be

854
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: a really really tough football team, a really really hard

855
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: team to play, a team that nobody wants to play against.

856
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: And UM to do that, uh, you know, when you

857
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: go out there and you take a mindset that, uh,

858
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna be the type of football team

859
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 1: that that everybody is proud of. Um, the results will come,

860
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: but we need to, uh, we need to make sure

861
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: that we get it going the way we want to

862
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: get it going and produced and perform at the highest

863
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: level we're capable of doing. So. I'm friends with Fred Taylor, him,

864
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: Chad Ocho, Sinko, all those guys. They do the I

865
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: Am Athlete podcast and Cam Newton was on there last

866
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: week and he had he was very complimentary of the

867
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: Patriots staff and all of that. And you were the

868
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach there. What what was your experience working with

869
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. It's phenomenal. Cam Newton is one of the

870
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: greatest people and one of the greatest players that I've

871
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: ever had the privilege to coach and to call a friend. UM.

872
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: I loved Cam, talk to him all the time. UM,

873
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: still to this day. UH. He's a tremendous competitor. His

874
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: work ethic is through the roof. I would put it

875
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: up against anybody in the country and any job in

876
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: the country. His passion, his energy, his spirit. UH. Just

877
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: absolutely loved the opportunity to be on the field with

878
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: Cam and I wish that there was more time that

879
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 1: we were able to be together. It was a shortened season.

880
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: He came in right at the UH startup training camp.

881
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: He unfortunately got COVID in the middle of the season,

882
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: but he battled back and so happy to see how

883
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: he finished the season off and played his best game

884
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: in the last game, and that was pretty awesome to see.

885
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: One of the most interesting things that I was able

886
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: to read about you was during the O J trial.

887
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: You made a point to tell your dad like, Yo,

888
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm flying out there. I want to go see the trial.

889
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: And you went like, what what was that decision about? Well,

890
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: that's a great one. Did your research? Um? Yeah, Well,

891
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: I was at that point in time. I was a

892
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: freshman in college and super excited about the potential of

893
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: either being a criminal defense attorney or a football coach,

894
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: and wasn't exactly sure. As I told Robert Shapiro many

895
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: years later when I was out in l A and

896
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: we had dinner together, I said, I was either going

897
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: to be you or Steve Spurrier. Was Steve Spurrier, which

898
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: I was a lot happier about now, But um, the

899
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: fact that the matter is, I wound up being in

900
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 1: a situation where I was just really intrigued by all

901
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: the aspects of the law at that time, and really

902
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: intrigued in that trial obviously if someone that loves football

903
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: and loves the law. So I found a way to

904
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: get out there. I told my dad that I needed

905
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: a little help getting out there, and he helped me

906
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: get out there, and wound up waiting online in the courtroom,

907
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: started at four thirty in the morning, three days in

908
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: a row, and finally got myself into the courthouse and

909
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: uh found a way to be sitting Uh sitting there

910
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: for a day of testimony. And it's kind of one

911
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: of those things on the bucket list I was able

912
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: to have accomplished and really cool opportunity to be a

913
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: part of it and watch it. Yeah, I am like

914
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine because I remember during that ninety year,

915
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: I was actually a freshman in in a high school

916
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: and um, and that was just a crazy time. But

917
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: the fact that you were independent enough, even as a

918
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: freshman in college to say no, Dad, I have to go.

919
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: So was it was it worth it? Overall? It absolutely was.

920
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: It was an opportunity to be able to see the

921
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: very best of what they do. As a matter of fact,

922
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,959
Speaker 1: I'm going to have one of the defense attorneys speak

923
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: to our football team here in a couple of weeks

924
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: and talk about the Innocence Project and help explain to

925
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 1: our football team, um, what it's like to help get

926
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: guys off of death row that we're wrong, wrongfully convicted,

927
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: and not many people are gonna have that opportunity. And

928
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: I would say, because of going to that trial and

929
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: then main meeting people while I was at that trial,

930
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: I've been able to maintain some contacts dirty years later

931
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: and twenty five years later, and now the opportunity for

932
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: one or two of them to speak to our team

933
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: is pretty cool. Wow, Coach Man, I could talk to

934
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: you for about an hour more, but I appreciate your time,

935
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: you guys. He's coach jetfish Head coach at the University

936
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: of Arizona. This is his first season and coach. Much

937
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: success except for against my my Oregon Ducks um on,

938
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: but aside from the Oregon games, much success to you, sir.

939
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Appreciate you having me on it. Okay, So, Ralph,

940
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: what did you think about this Jetfish interview? I thought

941
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: it was good. I thought it was fun he I mean,

942
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: has anybody ever, um, has anybody ever come into the

943
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: conference with such low expectations and still managed to impress.

944
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's winning the off season. You know,

945
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: he might not he might not have won the press conference.

946
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: Press conference is pretty brutal because they like streamed it

947
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: on Facebook and it was just hundreds of comments of

948
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: people saying like I would never buy yeah, or I'm

949
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: gonna buy season tickets just so I can cancel them.

950
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: It was funny because there was there were so many

951
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: people saying They're going to cancel their season tickets, and like,

952
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: I've been at a few U of eight games. There's

953
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: no way that there was actually that many people who

954
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: owned season tickets in the first place to cancel them.

955
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: But people were upset, and I think that that's the

956
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: important thing. To recognize is that people did not think

957
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: that this was a good higher And even I laughed

958
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: at it in the moment because because the recipe for

959
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: success in Tucson to me is a firm commitment to

960
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: the city, in the community. I think it's just a

961
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: unique situation. And and and some people disagree with me,

962
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: but a jet fish might not be one of them,

963
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: because look at all of the people that he surrounded

964
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: himself with to actually have an impactful presence in Tucson.

965
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: The thing about the interview that stuck out the absolute

966
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: most to me is you had the opportunity to ask

967
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: him what about all the receivers that were in the

968
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: transfer portal that you were able to drag back in.

969
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that. I mean, I don't

970
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen anything like the transport portal

971
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: at the level that it's been, but I've definitely never

972
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: seen four receivers say they're gonna leave and then all

973
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: recommit to the program when I know that two of them,

974
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: at least two of them had big time offers to

975
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: go elsewhere. And that was one of the the things he

976
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: said is that's one of the things you have to

977
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: take personal, Like them saying they wanted to leave. I

978
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 1: made that about me and my ego, and like, why

979
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 1: would they not want to play for me? They I'm

980
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: gonna reach out to them and make sure that they

981
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: know they're welcome here and that I'm going to maximize

982
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: their potential and that the best option for them is

983
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: to stick around. And to me, that was the most

984
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: impressive thing because I've just never seen it before and

985
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: it was cool to have him have an opportunity to

986
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: explain how he pulled that off. Okay, what did you

987
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: think about, um, about what he had to say about

988
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: it's it's personal? Where where he stopped short of saying

989
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: that it was just about Arizona State, and he was like, No,

990
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: everything's personal. The way we do things, the way our

991
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: relationships are, everything's personal around here. I thought that was interesting. Yeah,

992
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: I think I think it's a it's a catchy slogan.

993
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: And now that I'm starting to understand it a little

994
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 1: bit more, um, I'm starting to like it a little

995
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,759
Speaker 1: bit of like take take this personally, like that SEV

996
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 1: seven ass whooping that reflected on you, like, take some ownership,

997
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: take some to take some take a stake in what

998
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: it is we're trying to build here and take the

999
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: success of this program as we move forward personal like.

1000
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: It's not a passive process. It's not just gonna be

1001
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: we have a couple of talented players and we're gonna

1002
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: ride them to success. It's on you, eight guy off

1003
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: the bench like it's it's on you and so UM.

1004
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: I think that uh. I think that it's definitely effective. Um.

1005
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: And it's saturated to the point where you're starting to

1006
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: see people make fun of it and stuff, which is

1007
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: always which is always kind of fun. But that the

1008
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: number one thing that you need to do when when

1009
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: you come into a program to put your your stamp

1010
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: on it is make sure that everybody's on the same page.

1011
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: And if this slogan and this hashtag can get everybody

1012
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: on the same page, to say that no matter what

1013
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: happens in this program, every little bit of it is

1014
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: in part up to me to try to make it better. Um,

1015
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: and I'm going to take ownership over the process. UM.

1016
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: Then you know that could be a really really good

1017
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: thing for University of Arizona. I didn't get it at first,

1018
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: and after that interview, I feel like I do. Yeah, yeah,

1019
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: I did too. I think that this is a clear sign. Well,

1020
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: he won me over with the interview, like like I

1021
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:28,600
Speaker 1: was committing. I was like, Okay, Jeff, Jeff fish, this

1022
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: could be a big deal. This could be a really

1023
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: big deal. So I'm excited about what he has to offer.

1024
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,959
Speaker 1: And also peanut butter and chocolate or trash together, and

1025
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: so is the chi and so and so is cherry

1026
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: flavored pretty much anything, and so well flavored candy. You

1027
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: can call me a raccoon because I'm out here eating trash.

1028
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: All right. Uh you guys, Thank you guys for listening

1029
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: to the Pack twelve Apostles podcast. We appreciate your time,

1030
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: We'll appreciate your energy. Make sure that you hit us

1031
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: up on the secret textos a line, and also see

1032
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 1: you guys next week, where we will cover Pack twelve

1033
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: hoops even though that was supposed to happen to a

1034
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: day so but we may drop an emergency or a

1035
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: special episode for that too. Peace out, kept you guys.

1036
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Speaker 1: Next episode