1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: From Mediator's World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Cal's weekend review, presented by Steel. Steel products are available 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel Dealers 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: dot com. Now here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. New 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 1: Mexico Department of Fish and Game have been attempting to 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: track and capture a bighorn sheep that showed up out 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: of nowhere in two thousand nineteen, about two d and 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: thirty miles southwest of Albuquerque on Cook's Peak in the 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: White Sand Missile Base. White Sands is not home to sheep, 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: but the closest sheep to White Sands are Desert big horn, 11 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: a subspecies of Rocky Mountain big horn. For two whole years, 12 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: New Mexico Department of Fishing Game tried to find the 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: big horn but came up empty handed until trail camera 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: images from the base revealed a mountain lion stocking a 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: loan sheep. Last may you guessed it, they found their sheep. Luckily, 16 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: the wandering big horn had an ear tag, which was 17 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: traced back to Arizona. The wandering ram traveled one and 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: eighty miles to a sheepless mountain range that gets blown 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: up by military ordinance to get killed by a mountain lion. 20 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: Sheep love to die lived. Now you may be scratching 21 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: your head as to why New Mexico would want to 22 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: find a sheep that voluntarily relocated itself to a new range, 23 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: and why is it fortunate that the ram was tagged? 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: And those are good questions. After all, hundreds of thousands 25 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: of dollars are spent in relocating these animals to new locations. 26 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: This guy just did it himself, and the answer is, well, 27 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, the wandering nature of big horn rams is 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: a serious vector for wild sheep diseases. It is quite 29 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: plausible that this ram would have come in contact with 30 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: domestic sheep en route to a far off missile range. 31 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: This social tendency is commonly the cause of disease transmission 32 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: amongst wild Cheap wild sheep are terrible at combating disease. 33 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: Had the cat not gotten its mutton dinner, the best 34 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: case scenario would have been that New Mexico Department of 35 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: Fishing Game drops a gnat on this sheep from a helicopter. 36 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: His likely backtrack would have been looked at. Is the 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: Arizona heard he came from, healthy and disease free. The 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: ram would have been tested and quarantined, and if he 39 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: had a clean bill of health, who knows. He probably 40 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: ends up back in Arizona. But the most likely scenario 41 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: is he would have just been killed anyway, because the 42 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: risk of moving disease amongst sheep populations is just too great. 43 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: Which may sound like a negative spin, but remember this 44 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: didn't happen, and those big wild cats have to eat too. 45 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: This week, we've got the end of the year c 46 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: w D round up and the law Enforcement Desk. But 47 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: first I want to tell you about my week, and 48 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: my week is written in advance. I'm heading back down 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: to Idaho, hopefully, get into some ducks, pheasants, chucker, some 50 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: good old fashioned exercise, drink too much with an old 51 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: friend or two. I'll celebrate Christmas. I'll probably end up 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: at mass. I'll cook like crazy and dote on the 53 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: bird dog while I tear up and think about the 54 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: dogs that are gone and the fact that this one 55 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: more than likely will do the same before I am gone. 56 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: I'll try my best to not dwell on the things 57 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: that keep me up at night and be helpful, even cheerful, 58 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: to those around me. I'll take the opportunity to connect 59 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: with those I've not connected with in a long while. 60 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: I'll hope for cold weather, and when it comes, I'll 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: keep my nose in the wind, relishing the frozen boogers, 62 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: the stiff skin on my cheeks and burned lungs, the 63 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: icicles forming not too comfortably on my whiskers. I'll keep 64 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: a good attitude and choke down my feelings surrounding commercialism 65 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: the bullshit. And I'll acknowledge that I am a salesman, 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: that I am fortunate and have been fortunate even in 67 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: times when I could not fathom anyone wanting to trade 68 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: places with me, certainly not gas tanks or bank accounts. 69 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: But even at those points, I was still fortunate. I'm healthy, 70 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: My joints swell and squeak, my nose and ears don't 71 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: work all that well. I have a hundred, maybe even 72 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: several hundred tiny scars I've forgotten, and a few i'll 73 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: never forget, maybe one or three at the most. I'll 74 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: very likely promise, maybe not out loud, that I will 75 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: do better in many aspects of life. I'll learn to 76 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: let go of the nagging things that cannot be controlled. 77 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: I'll vow to speak less and be more poignant, maybe 78 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: even get around to looking up what poignant means for real. 79 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: This time, a new year is coming, friends and neighbors. 80 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: It will be much like the old one, but it 81 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: is new, more hopeful, a change, and we can't go 82 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: into the new year without thanking everyone who was with 83 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: us in this past year. Phil, Karen Hayden, these folks 84 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 1: who worked to produce all of our podcasts. Special thanks 85 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: to Phil, who never met a deadline that wasn't more 86 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: of a suggestion. Yeah that's a joke. Alex Tilney, Jordan's 87 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: sellers who right for this show. Thank you so much 88 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: for all of the effort to all the above, Thank 89 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: you so much for putting up with my communication style 90 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: or lack of both style and communication. Thank you to 91 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: everyone listening. Mostly thank you to all of you who 92 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: wrote in to say I contacted my elected official or 93 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: game commissioner for the first time ever. Keep it up, 94 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: We need you. It's not that hard, isn't. If you 95 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: heard anything in this last diatribe, what I want you 96 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: to remember is, thank you, thank you for listening, Have 97 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:02,919 Speaker 1: a great new year, Merry Christmas, God bless And moving 98 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: on to a very merry pandemic desk and no not 99 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: that pandemic. Ever since its first detection and mule deer 100 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: research facilities nearly fifty years ago, chronic wasting disease has 101 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: been spreading across the country. While some states like Wisconsin 102 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: and Illinois have been fighting the battle for a long time, 103 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: the disease has been detected this year and at least 104 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: one new state, and it's likely to have already made 105 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: the jump into others. The Idaho Fish and Game Department 106 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: confirmed its first recorded case of chronic wasting disease in 107 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: two mule deer bucks in the Slate Creek drainage near Lucille, 108 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: a town just outside of Idaho's famous whitewater capital Riggins. 109 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: The state has started issuing one thousand, five hundred and 110 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: twenty seven c w D surveillance hunting permits so that 111 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: more samples can be taken to determine the extent of 112 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: the spread. On December six, Louisiana Wildlife officials issued a 113 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: feeding and baiting ban in two pair Irsha's after a 114 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: c w D positive deer was detected only seven point 115 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: five miles from the Louisiana Arkansas border. The Louisiana Department 116 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: of Wildlife and Fisheries has been sampling for c w 117 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: D since two thousand two and has never detected the 118 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: disease in its dear Herd officials say they implemented the 119 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: baiting band to stop the spread of c w D 120 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: from neighboring Arkansas. In Alabama, a c w D positive 121 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: deer was detected within twenty five miles of the state 122 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: boundary with Mississippi. Alabama has never detected the case of 123 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: the disease, and they've already banned hunters from bringing whole 124 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: deer carcasses into the state from other states. Wildlife officials 125 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: have expressed concern about this latest deer in Mississippi, but 126 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: have yet to announce any further action. In total, c 127 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: w D has been detected in wild deer herds in 128 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: twenty six states, according to the Chronic Wasting Disease Alliance 129 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: and the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. Right now, infected 130 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: herds are mostly isolated to the central portions of the 131 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: county tree, while states in the southeast, the west coast, 132 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: and the far northeast have been spared. A c w 133 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: D map from the U S Geological survey gives a 134 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: clearer picture of the state of the disease. This map 135 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: breaks down cases by county, and it shows four large 136 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: clusters in North America, one in Alberta and Manitoba, another 137 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: encompassing the states from Montana to Colorado to Kansas to 138 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: North Dakota, another in Wisconsin and Illinois, and another in 139 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania and Virginia. Large portions of many states have yet 140 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: to detect c w D, which makes the problem sound 141 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: a little more manageable. But we learn about new areas 142 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: of spread every year, and it's hard to imagine the 143 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: disease being kept out of any of the forty eight 144 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: contiguous states. While wildlife officials have implemented measures to track 145 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: cases and slow the spread, they've been unable to completely 146 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: contain the disease in the long term. Here in Montana, 147 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: chronic wasting disease was just detected in a hunting district 148 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: in the southwestern part of the state that had never 149 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: seen a positive case before. Now we are currently into 150 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: our third or fourth consecutive season of c w D 151 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: specific hunts. In Michigan, hunters and biologists were able to 152 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: contain c w D to the Lower Peninsula for many 153 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: years until in two thousand eighteen, a deer shot in 154 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: the state's Upper Peninsula tested positive. In case you've been 155 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: living under a rock for the last decade, Chronic wasting 156 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: disease is an infectious prion disease, literally a folded over protein, 157 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: affecting at least four native servid species, including white tailed deer, 158 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 1: mule deer, moose, and elk. There is no known cure, 159 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: and as far as we know, it is always fatal. 160 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: The good news, and why some hunters would rather ignore 161 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: the problem, is that no human that we know of 162 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: has ever been infected with the disease, and people who 163 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: have eaten meat from c w D positive deer appear 164 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: to be fine. But the general consensus is in regards 165 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: to eating c w D infected meat is that of 166 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: tempting fate or playing with fire. This CDC recommends that 167 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: c w D positive meat be disposed of in a 168 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: clay lined landfill. Obviously, if chronic wasting disease c w 169 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: D ever jumped from servants to humans, hunting as we 170 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: know it would never be the same. Deer and elk 171 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: are by far the most popular big game animals, and 172 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: thousands of Americans would stop hunting if there was a 173 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: chance they could catch a debilitating fatal disease. Even as 174 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: it is uncontrolled, c w D spread threatens deer populations 175 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: and decreases hunting opportunities. One thing that never gets brought 176 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: up is what happens if c w D is found 177 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: in domestic livestock. The servants that graze along domestic livestock 178 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: deposit prions on the feed. That feed gets ingested and 179 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: somehow makes the jump to cattle, sheep pigs. Similar diseases 180 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: to c w D are already found in those animals. 181 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: When diseases like this are found in domestic livestock, the 182 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: U s d a E advocates entire herds and the 183 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: herds that those herds have come in contact with. The 184 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Proximity of these two species is a little too close 185 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: for comfort. That's part of the reason why biologists are 186 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: searching for a way to control the spread of the 187 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: disease and reach some kind of sustainable equilibrium. This should 188 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: sound familiar to anyone who's been following the COVID nineteen pandemic, 189 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: much like we're all wondering how to live with the 190 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: COVID virus hunters and wildlife biologists are trying to figure 191 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: out how to live with c w D. Barring some 192 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: kind of miracle cure, eradicating CWD from North America isn't 193 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: in the cards, according to scientists who presented at the 194 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: eighty first North American Wildlife Natural Resource Conference. Fortunately, these 195 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: biologists believe the focused mitigation efforts can keep the disease 196 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: in check, as in bias time to learn more and 197 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: come up with a truly effective strategy. These efforts may 198 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: not keep c w D from spreading to other regions, 199 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: but they can keep it from threatening entire populations. Dear culling, 200 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: baiting bands, and testing requirements have all shown promise in 201 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: the states where they've been tried. These measures aren't always 202 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: popular among hunters, and I'm sympathetic to those concerns. Mitigation 203 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: strategies should always be developed in cooperation with hunters, since 204 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: no strategy will be effective without buy in from our community. 205 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: C w D is a current and potentially catastrophic future problem, 206 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: and it won't do us any good to ignore it. 207 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean stop hunting. It just means take a 208 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: few more considerations into the field with you when you hunt. 209 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: Where gloves while field dressing. Get your dear tested, either 210 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: by sending in lymph nodes you extract yourself. It's not 211 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: that hard, or by dropping off the head where it 212 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: can be tested. Don't eat the meat until you get 213 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: a test result, and be prepared to dispose of positive 214 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: meat and carcasses, either in clay lined landfill or where 215 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: the animal was harvested. Don't drop carcasses in new areas 216 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 1: where you could potentially be spreading c w D. Remember 217 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: negative test results or non positive results are just as 218 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: important as positive results. I do have one piece of 219 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: good news that I'll be unpacking more incoming weeks. The 220 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: u s House just past the Chronic Wasting Disease Research 221 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: and Management Act to help fund efforts to combat chronic 222 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: wasting disease. The legislation would authorize seventy million dollars annually 223 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: from two thousand twenty two to two thousand twenty eight, 224 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: and the money would be spent on researching topics like 225 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: effective testing methods, genetic resistance to the disease, and sustainable 226 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: servid harvest management. Money would flow to states with the 227 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: highest incidents of cw D to help them implement the 228 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: most effective management strategies. I'll be digging into this bill 229 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: more in the coming weeks, but it's encouraging to know 230 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: that the federal government is finally taking note of the 231 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: chronic wasting disease threat. It passed on a massively bipartisan 232 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: three to thirty three vote, which bodes well for its 233 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: chances in the Senate. Hunters need to pay attention to this, 234 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: as hunting will be the largest management tool. Moving on 235 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: to the law enforcement desk. Back in the spring, we 236 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: covered the poaching of a mama griz in Idaho's Fremont County. 237 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: Fremont County is near Yellowstone National Park, part of the 238 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: Greater Yellowstone ecosystem where g y e everybody talks about. 239 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,239 Speaker 1: Investigators discovered the body of the sal bear partially submerged 240 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: in the Little Warm River. The sal had been shot 241 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: thirteen times. When they went to her den, they found 242 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: her cub there, who had starved to death as a 243 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: result of her absence. This was the third in a 244 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: string of very similar grizzly poaching incidents in the area. 245 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: US Fishing Wildlife, along several conservation organizations put up a 246 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: forty thousand dollar reward to catch the perpetrator, but the 247 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: case remained open for eight months. Finally, Idaho Fishing Game 248 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: issued a warrant to Google, whose data showed that a 249 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: phone belonging to Jared Bomb of Ashton, Idaho was in 250 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: the vicinity of the crime scene on March fot, the 251 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: last time the bear was recorded alive. When the police 252 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: caught up with him, Jared, as well as his father, Rex, 253 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: confessed to the crime. We spoke with James Brower of 254 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: Idaho Fishing Game, who told us the Bombs are not 255 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: being investigated for the two other grizzly bear poaching cases 256 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: in the area. Apparently the details of those cases point 257 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: to a different poacher or poachers. The charges against the 258 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: Bombs include unlawful killing, possessing or wasting wildlife. According to 259 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: Idaho Statute thirty six Dash fourteen oh four, Section A 260 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: Adam nine, the amount you oh for killing grizzly is 261 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars, but there are some complications about whether 262 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: bombs offense could also be considered a felony. This gets 263 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: a little messy, so try to stick with me. Idaho 264 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: Statute thirty six Dash fourteen oh one, Section CE, Item 265 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: three says that the killing of any animal with a 266 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: reimbursable expense of more than a thousand dollars will be 267 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: considered a felony, so a grizzly at ten thousand dollars 268 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: should obviously be considered a felony right. A typical prison 269 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: sentence for conviction of this felony is two years. However, 270 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: in February of two thousand twenty, the Idaho Court of 271 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: Appeals overturned the conviction of John Alison Huckabee for the 272 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen illegal killing of a cow moose. The 273 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: reimbursable expense for a cow moose in Idaho is also 274 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars, so you'd think this would be an 275 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: open and shut case. However, huckabee Is appeal turned on 276 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: a very very technical interpretation of the language in Statute 277 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: thirty six Dash fourteen oh one section see item three 278 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: as of February, which states unlawfully killing, possessing, or wasting 279 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: of any combination of numbers or species of wildlife within 280 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: a twelvemonth period which has a single or combined reimbursable 281 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: damage assessment of more than one thousand dollars. Huckabay's attorney 282 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: argued that the phrase any combination of numbers or species 283 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: had to mean that only killing more than one animal 284 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: could qualify as a felony. Violation only one of a 285 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: thing is not a combination. The state argued that because 286 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: zero is a number, than zero and one together qualify 287 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: as a combination. Huckabey's lawyers countered that although zero is 288 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: in fact a number, the combination of zero and zero 289 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: could not be considered a combination in violation of the law, 290 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: as no animals would be dead as a result. Therefore, 291 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: zero couldn't be considered a valid number in a combination 292 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: for the purposes of this law. And I kid you not. 293 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 1: That is why Huckabey's conviction was overturned. For poaching just 294 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: one moose. He could not be convicted of a felony, 295 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: and he could only be fined, not jailed. Now, I'm 296 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: not overly familiar with this moose case other than the 297 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: numerical argument mentioned, Nor am I overly familiar with how 298 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: the law is really supposed to work. So I can't 299 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: say Huckabay damn sure deserved jail time or a felony 300 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: on his record. But I can say for certain that nobody, 301 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: including the judge who allowed this argument to go on 302 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: in court, gave a pile of moose pooh over whether 303 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: zero plus zero adds up to zero on paper when 304 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: there's a dead moose on the ground illegally, this guy, 305 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Huckabey was in court because he killed an animal illegally. 306 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: He broke the law. It should be treated as such, 307 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: no matter the argument. I'm going into this painful minutia 308 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: for three reasons. One, if you're a lawmaker out there, 309 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: be careful writing your laws. It's very clear that the 310 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: drafters of this statute intended to cover as broad a 311 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: range of violations as possible and would have wanted Huckabee 312 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: in the pokey for what he did. Two. When we 313 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: talk about wanting wildlife management decisions dictated by biologists at 314 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: state game agencies rather than by legislation, this is part 315 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,959 Speaker 1: of what we worry about. Tiny mistakes and laws can 316 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: let folks who did the wrong thing get off easy. 317 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: And Three we had to bring this up to let 318 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: you know what goes on inside a courtroom. This is 319 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: how these lawyers get paid. They don't argue whether or 320 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: not the guy illegally killed the moose. They argue over 321 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: how much zero plus zero equals. So how can a 322 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: bystander be guilty? No such thing. Have you ever heard 323 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: of a guilty bystander? No, because you cannot be a 324 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: bystander and be guilty. Bystanders are by definition innocent. That 325 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: has been nature of bystanding. But nope, Now we'll get 326 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: back to Jared and Rex Bomb, the alleged poachers of 327 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: the sal Grizzly. According to the precedent of the Huckabey case, 328 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: it would seem that they wouldn't be tried on felony 329 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: charges because they are not implicated in the other two 330 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: similar grizzly killings in this area. Right zero plus one 331 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: is still one intentionally dead grizz or Their felony conviction 332 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: could have hinged on whether the death of the South 333 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 1: cub was considered a killing that they perpetrated, or rather 334 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: just neglect that led to the death of the cub instead, 335 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: But the rest assured the Bombs won't get off on 336 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: this same technicality. In March two thousand twenty, right after 337 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: huckabay Is successful appeal, the Idaho legislature changed the language 338 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: of the applicable Law Statute thirty six Dash fourteen oh one, 339 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: Section C, Item three now reads unlawfully killing, possessing, or 340 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: wasting of any wildlife within a twelve month period having 341 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: a single or combined reimbursable damage assessment of more than 342 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 1: one thousand dollars. Most wardens you speak with will say 343 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: something along the lines of a large portion of who 344 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: we catch are either unlucky or stupid, So with this 345 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: change in the law, even the stupid will be able 346 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: to do the math on what poaching results in. Of course, 347 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: what they are charged with and what the prosecution and 348 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: judge finish up with can be very different things. Over 349 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, a Lackawanna County man was prosecuted for the 350 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 1: illegal taking or possession of eight white tailed deer over 351 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: a three month period in Lackawanna, Pike, and Susquehanna Counties. 352 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: State Game Wardens responded to information received in late January 353 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: two thousand one concerning several deer that were unlawfully killed 354 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: in the community of Fawn Lake Forest in Pike County. 355 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: After a thorough investigation, the incident led to s g 356 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: W sours conducting interviews and discovering evidence linking the man 357 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: to the illegal taking of three antlers and three antlerless deer. 358 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 1: The racks from the three antler deer were seized as evidence. 359 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: The man pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor accounts of the 360 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: unlawful taking or possession of game, three summary accounts of 361 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: the unlawful taking or possession of game, and sixteen additional 362 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: summary accounts that included tagging violations and damaged property. Legal 363 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: proceedings were held over the course of several months and 364 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: four different magisterial district courts within Pike, Lackawanna, and Susquehanna 365 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: Counties that stacked up find short of fifteen thousand dollars 366 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: in jail time of one to six months. This is 367 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: a notable story because it really isn't about the wardens 368 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: cracking the case and nabbing a poacher that happened almost 369 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: a year ago. This is about the prosecution. After a 370 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: year in three different counties, a poacher was successfully prosecuted 371 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: with a pretty stiff penalty. It could have been a 372 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: heavier punishment, but it could have been a whole lot lighter. 373 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: And last on the crime docket, we're heading to Louisiana 374 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: Sportsman's Paradise. A police officer in Louisiana was arrested on 375 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: December five for poaching white tail at night on private 376 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: property without a license from his patrol car. He was 377 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: found with three other men in his official government vehicle, 378 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: and they had already bagged two bucks by the time 379 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: Louisiana Wildlife officials caught up with them. One of the 380 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: men was also a convicted felon who wasn't allowed to 381 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: possess any of the three rifles in the vehicle, and 382 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: none of them had the necessary hunting licenses, not that 383 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: it would have mattered much. Again, they were spotlighting deer 384 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: at night from a patrol car on private property, like 385 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: a backwoods version of Super Bad or Super Troopers. I 386 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: don't know. Can you break yourself full quick side known? 387 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: I once sat relatively close to j sandresscar from Super 388 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: Troopers at breakfast one morning. It was thrilling anyway. Wildlife 389 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: agents heard gunshots around eight pm on the east side 390 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: of the Red River near Coushata, Louisiana, about fifty miles 391 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: southeast of Shreveport. When they arrived at the location, they 392 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: found four men spotlighting deer from a Coushata Police Department vehicle. 393 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: They had killed one eight point buck and another spike buck, 394 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: and none of them had permission to be hunting on 395 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: that piece of private property. One of the rifles was 396 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: also outfitted with a night vision optic. All four men 397 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: were cited for hunting during illegal hours and hunting from 398 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 1: a moving vehicle. The local sheriff's office also charged them 399 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: with trespassing. Thirty one year old Anthony Caldwell was arrested 400 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: for being a convicted felon in possession of a firearm 401 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: and cited for hunting without resident, basic hunting and big 402 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: game hunting licenses. He's facing up to twenty years in 403 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: jail and a five thousand dollar fine for possessing a firearm. 404 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: Thirty year old Adam Caldwell, thirty six year old Cedric 405 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: Thomas I'm twenty eight year old Adam Pouncey were also 406 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: cited for hunting without recreational big game hunting licenses. Adam, 407 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: Caldwell and Pouncey didn't even have a basic hunting license. 408 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: All four men are facing up to a nine hundred 409 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: and fifty dollar fine and one twenty days in jail 410 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: for hunting during illegal hours, a five hundred dollar fine 411 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: and ninety days in jail for hunting from a moving 412 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: vehicle and a fifty dollar fine for their license violations. 413 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: In addition, Anthony Caldwell may face civil restitution of two thousand, 414 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 1: thirty three dollars for killing that eight point buck, and 415 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: Thomas may have to cough up one thousand six dollars 416 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: for taking the spike buck. Palency was the part time 417 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: police officer with the Cashada Police Department, and he's been 418 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: suspended pending the completion of the investigation. I've said it 419 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: before and I'll say it again. Crime doesn't pay kids, 420 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 1: especially when you're poaching wildlife from a patrol car. On 421 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: top of really questioning where they were going to put 422 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: the deer in a patrol car, I have to wonder 423 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: about the defense. No, your honor, I'm a part time officer, 424 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: meaning part of the time I hunt and the other 425 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: part of the time I'm an officer. I mean, what 426 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: do you say, was this part time officer lonely? It 427 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: sounds like he cleared the jail out in order to 428 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: round up some hunting buddies for the evening. I could 429 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: go on and on, but that's all we've got this week. 430 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Again. Happy New Year's 431 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: Remember if you're having a hard time getting out of 432 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: the driveway because there's some busted branches courtesy of the 433 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: late snowfall. Go to www dot steel Dealers dot com 434 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: and find a local, knowledgeable steel dealer near you. 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