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Speaker 1: Holiday Wishless Time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's Eric Kratz and Kevin Plaar, Santa's favorite helpers

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Speaker 2: and Krats. Since you have the exact hat on that

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Speaker 2: we were looking for and KP's is a little more bad, Santa,

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Speaker 2: we are going to let you set the table here.

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Speaker 2: It's a very simple game. It's a wish list three teams,

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Speaker 2: one item per team that you would like to see

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Speaker 2: done this holiday season, which at this point will likely

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Speaker 2: occur in January.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully because we're not unwrapping any of these gifts yet.

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Speaker 3: Although we could do a little show if the Yankees

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Speaker 3: signed tatsuy L My here before Christmas before New Year's

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Speaker 3: but I'll come back on for that because I think

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Speaker 3: there is no larger move in the American League East

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Speaker 3: than that the Yankees are not going to have two

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Speaker 3: of their horses to start the season. And if the

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Speaker 3: Yankees want to keep up with the Blue Jays, the

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Speaker 3: Orioles who are doing things the Red Sox, well, they

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Speaker 3: haven't traded or haven't signed a big league free agent.

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Speaker 3: They've traded for everybody that they've gotten and keep up

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Speaker 3: in this division. To me, I think it's Tatsuyo My

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Speaker 3: or nobody on the pitching front. I'm not saying they're

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Speaker 3: not going to go after the other guys at Gallon,

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Speaker 3: I think he'd pitch great in New York, all that stuff,

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Speaker 3: But I just think Tatsuyo my is the guy that

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Speaker 3: is a scary look in ealth. It might be a

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Speaker 3: bad Elf, but if you remember the movie Elf, you know,

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Speaker 3: an angry Elf. That's what that looks like. But katel

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Speaker 3: Marte for Seattle is my second thing on the wish list.

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Speaker 3: We talked about it earlier, but for everybody just listening

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Speaker 3: to just this, katel Marte will make the Mariners the

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Speaker 3: best team in the American League. In my opinion, they

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Speaker 3: will be a better team than the Blue Jays because

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Speaker 3: of what that how that shapes their team because they

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Speaker 3: have the pitch advantage over the Jays, and that would

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Speaker 3: add something to their lineup that now takes a little

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Speaker 3: bit more pressure off of Julio. I think anything that

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Speaker 3: takes pressure off of Julio from being the man, he

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Speaker 3: becomes more of the man. So I think that would

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Speaker 3: be the top on the Christmas wish list and the

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Speaker 3: wish list for Boston Alex Bregman. They've already done their work.

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Speaker 3: They have their first baseman and Wilson Contreres, who's going

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Speaker 3: to add a lot of value, way more value than

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Speaker 3: their first baseman's added last year, and he's actually played

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Speaker 3: a good first base. Alex Bregman, all the young guys

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Speaker 3: on the team are definitely coming back. Everybody knows that.

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Speaker 3: The biggest thing is you can't let him go to

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Speaker 3: another American League team, and so that's one of the

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Speaker 3: reasons you sign them. But also these young guys, each

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Speaker 3: year is a different step in your development. And if

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Speaker 3: you can bring Alex Bregman back, that gives these guys

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Speaker 3: another year. Talking to Alex, hey remember this making this

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Speaker 3: connection and it's probably gonna be five to six years,

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Speaker 3: and all these young guys are going to be here

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Speaker 3: for five to six more years. And you know, Roman

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Speaker 3: Anthony he has his extension, Marcel Meyer doesn't, Sedey and

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Speaker 3: Rafaela he's he's going to be locked in with this team.

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Speaker 3: So it's like Alex, we're going to do this together.

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Speaker 3: He can be the unk for all these guys. He

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Speaker 3: can continue to help them when they make it farther

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Speaker 3: into playoffs. Hey, I know you guys weren't here last year.

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Speaker 3: But this round of the playoffs is exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: So to me, I think he is maybe the most

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Speaker 3: needed player needed position player for a team, and I

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Speaker 3: think Tatsuyo Mai is the most needed pitcher for a

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Speaker 3: of the teams that are out there yet looking for help.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the starting pitching market is held

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Speaker 2: up due to the fact that Dylan Ceeese got a

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Speaker 2: very healthy and it might have elevated what the ask

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Speaker 2: or what the thought process was for reps for the

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Speaker 2: other top tier starters available, and they're not going to

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Speaker 2: get that might not be the best example. I do

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Speaker 2: think he is going to end up with close to

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Speaker 2: that level money. But then there's that Ran Bervaldes Ranger

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I haven't seen the movement there. Usually you

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Speaker 2: see the one move KP and then it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: here we go. Things were set, but Dylan C's got

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Speaker 2: the bag from the Blue Jays and then everything is

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Speaker 2: just kind of halted since then for the free agent

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Speaker 2: on that front that have been created for teams that

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Speaker 2: are like, I'm not playing in those waters.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not playing one point eight for this starter,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to trade some prospect capital and fill the

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Speaker 2: gap that way, And that's smart.

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Speaker 1: If they feel that way.

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Speaker 4: We might look back and the Dylan C's move to

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Speaker 4: Toronto might be a great deal. It might be a

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Speaker 4: lower deal, a discounted deal, you know, so good for

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Speaker 4: Dylan Cees for I always think when you were a

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Speaker 4: free agent of that caliber and you're gonna get kind

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Speaker 4: of in that ballpark, you know at that point as

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Speaker 4: an extra twenty million dollars that significant for someone. Maybe

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Speaker 4: it is, maybe it isn't, But at least Dylan SE's

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Speaker 4: got to choose the team he wanted to go to.

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Speaker 4: He was the first one to come out sign his deal.

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Speaker 4: And I definitely think it's affecting the market for a

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Speaker 1: I think that's the high end.

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Speaker 2: I think it's ceasin ami, and then I think the

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Speaker 2: rest of the group's going to place below that.

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Speaker 1: And how much below that is the question.

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Speaker 2: I think right now that you've got back and forth

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Speaker 2: with teams and agents, but we'll see what do you have?

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Speaker 1: What's your list?

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Speaker 4: Looking like my Christmas list. Okay, you know, you know

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Speaker 4: I'm going to start with the Blue Jays, and I'm

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Speaker 4: going to kind of piggyback on what Kratzy was saying about,

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Speaker 4: you know, bringing Alex Bregman back and just kind of

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Speaker 4: being in this together and building something together. I think

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Speaker 4: the number one thing the Blue Jays need to do

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Speaker 4: is bring back Bobashett. I know there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: better player than Boba Schett, but Bobashett is a homegrown player.

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Speaker 4: He's one of vladig Mar Guerrero's best friend. They've done

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Speaker 4: this together. I think the only thing kind of going

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're in that position without Bobaschhett, you know,

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Speaker 4: playing ninety percent of the season. And I also think

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Speaker 4: just Bobaschett fits better in their lineup because I do

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Speaker 4: love Ernie Clement, I do love Addison Barger. If you

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Speaker 4: go out and sign a Kyle Tucker, you know, one

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Speaker 4: do like Bobashett if he's willing to play second base

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Speaker 4: for the Cleveland Guardians. They all I see on MLB

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Speaker 4: is their need for a right handed hitting outfielder. Nick

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Speaker 4: Castianos needs a new home. He no longer has a

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Speaker 4: which Cleveland loves to do. And I know Cleveland probably

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Speaker 4: has some prospect capital they could, you know, return for

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Speaker 4: a guy like Nick Castiano's. But you talk about someone

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Speaker 4: going from an environment in Philly where it's a little

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Speaker 4: maybe they could find the best version at Nick Castiano's.

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Speaker 4: And lastly, for the Detroit Tigers, I think they need

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Speaker 4: to go out and sign Zach Gallen. They already have

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Speaker 4: the best picture in the world. Zach Callen has shown

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Speaker 4: he's able to potentially do. Much different ballpark pitching in

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Speaker 4: the National League West. That entire division is a little

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Speaker 4: other guys around him, and they already have a pretty

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Speaker 4: good rotation. But I think this could be, you know,

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Speaker 1: Creative. I like it.

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Speaker 2: Remember they did something similar with Jack Flaherty. You give

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Speaker 2: him some money, you give him the opt out possibility.

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Speaker 2: Jack didn't take it. I think that's what it's going

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Speaker 2: to take for Zach Gallen. Michael King ends up with

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Speaker 2: three years, seventy five million. The first year of that

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Speaker 2: ideally for him, he shoves this year and he opts

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Speaker 2: he shoves, great, that worked out probably as a year

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Speaker 2: if he looks more like the last two months of

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Speaker 2: think Detroit could craft something KP that makes sense for

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Speaker 2: the twenty some odd million dollars to pitch next year

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Speaker 4: Yeah. When I thought of it, I thought exactly of

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Speaker 4: the Jack Flarity deal. Like, you know, you know, he

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Speaker 4: he he didn't have the best year going into free agency,

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Speaker 4: but you know, let's give him a good amount of

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Speaker 4: he'll walk. If he doesn't. You know, Jack Flarity, I

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Speaker 4: forget what he's making. He's probably making what somewhere around

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Speaker 4: twenty million dollars the next couple of years. I believe

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Speaker 4: he has the ability to bounce back and be the

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Speaker 4: Jack Flarity that we saw two years ago. So it's

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Speaker 4: just a great signing, and I feel like Detroit's been

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Speaker 4: able to do that with a guy like Flarity. Go

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Speaker 4: and do it with Zach Gallen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, opted back in for twenty mil. By the way, Kratz,

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Speaker 2: yes for Flarity.

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Speaker 3: My question to you the Bobashette one, I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: that Blue Jays shouldn't bring him back. I'm saying you said,

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Speaker 3: have him play second base. Do you think if you

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Speaker 3: bring back your shortstop on shortstop money, they'd be okay

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Speaker 3: playing him at second base because he's been the blue

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Speaker 3: of that because they don't see him as a shortstop

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Speaker 3: anymore because Andre Samenez is a big league shortstop. They

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Speaker 3: brought him in. I think partially the reason you took

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Speaker 3: know he can play shortstop in the big leagues and

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Speaker 3: Bo was leaving. So if you bring Bo back, do

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Speaker 3: you think the Blue Jays have enough khones to say

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Speaker 3: thanks for playing shortstop for us for the last six

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Speaker 3: years go to second base.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think money talks. I think if they

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Speaker 2: This is going to sound so annoying, but I'm going

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Speaker 3: at him. And that is unfair to Boba Schett. Yes

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Speaker 3: he said it. He said, I will play second base,

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Speaker 3: because I'm signed. Same thing with Boba Schett. Sign me

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Speaker 3: Boba Schet's going My legacy is as a shortstop. No,

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Speaker 3: that's the that's just the reality of life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, his real legacy is in the batter's box. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's what you're paying for your painting out to go

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Speaker 4: go to. You're playing him to step up to home

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Speaker 4: So you have to pay him as a shortstop, which

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Speaker 4: if the Blue G's are willing to do and move

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Speaker 2: Let me present the other side. Why am I paying

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Speaker 3: That's your choice. That's your choice because now you're starting

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Speaker 3: And if that's the case, then you don't want him.

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Speaker 3: You don't want his hundred RBIs and two hundred hits.

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Speaker 1: I do want him.

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Speaker 2: I want him at second base because I think that

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Speaker 2: I think that will make my team best. And then

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you this question. So we're talking years

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Speaker 3: Right? It's big. I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go, like, just physically standing at shortstop and

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're comparable players. I think Corey Seeger

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Speaker 4: short time during the postseason he showed his ability to

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Speaker 2: So if he's what twenty seven, then he does end

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Speaker 2: I do think whether they express that super publicly and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he signed for eleven to eighty, right, so

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Speaker 3: Everybody's got to move off the position.

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Speaker 1: Did you play house how soon? No?

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Speaker 4: game or in the game, it's going to be what

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Speaker 4: he does at home plate. You know, could he be

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Speaker 4: a three thousand hit guy, could he eventually be a

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Speaker 4: Hall of Famer. I mean, his legacy is not going

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Speaker 4: to be determined by what position he plays, but what

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Speaker 4: he does in the batter's box.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And for the record, I love Boba Schett. I

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Speaker 1: mean I love the bat.

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Speaker 2: I think he'll be at least in above average scheck

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Speaker 2: and basement. Yeah, from what we saw un limited time,

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Speaker 2: he might even be an elite second basement for a

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Speaker 2: chunk of time right now coming up.

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Speaker 3: No, I mean that's fine. I mean you have the

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Speaker 3: you have the best. You have the best second basement

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Speaker 3: in the game defensively playing shortstop. So when you talk

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Speaker 3: about the most elite second basement right now, defensively, that's

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Speaker 3: a that's a big that's a big, big pair of

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Speaker 3: shoes to fill. Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 4: What a great guy to learn from. I mean, if

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Speaker 4: he's in the organization, you're talking about a guy who

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Speaker 4: you know made, Yeah, made the transition from second to

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Speaker 4: short short to second you know, like those guys working

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Speaker 4: together in Tanem could be something special. But I also

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Speaker 4: understand in the Blue Jays situation, if they don't bring

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Speaker 4: him back, they have a pretty darn good player in

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Speaker 4: Ernie Clement, who isn't the caliber player as Boba Schett.

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Speaker 4: He is an elite defender, that is one thing he does.

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Speaker 4: And you know, a guy just set the record in

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Speaker 4: the postseason for most hits in the postseason. You know, obviously,

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Speaker 4: the clutch factor, the swagger, the super utility ability. You know,

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Speaker 4: so these are all factors that potent actually could be

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Speaker 4: working against Bobishad and the position change and also having

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Speaker 4: internal candidates. But you know, when I think about the

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Speaker 4: Blue Jays, I think about Bloody and Bo doing it together,

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Speaker 4: finishing the job.

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Speaker 2: Ernie Clement was insane in the playoffs, and I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to see full season of the extra swag and confidence

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Speaker 2: that he got from just abusing pitching all across October,

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Speaker 2: right just they could figure him out the best pitching,

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Speaker 2: they could not figure out how to get him off,

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Speaker 2: you know, how to get him out.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's on basic half the freaking postseason.

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Speaker 2: Just an incredible performance from Ernie Clement, so I'm with

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Speaker 2: you there. Yeah, they've got good problems right now.

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Speaker 1: The Blue Jays