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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: We are back with Robert Young, Pelton, George nor with

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Speaker 1: you put your History at on. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: calls with Robert next hour. We're talking right now about

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Speaker 1: his visit to Libya. Tell me about these Chinese killer drones, Robert,

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Speaker 1: what's going on with those? Well? The reason why I

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Speaker 1: bring people's attention to Libya because obviously I cover many wars,

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Speaker 1: but I think Libya is the most interesting one to

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Speaker 1: watch now is you have everything from tribal fighters from darfour,

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Speaker 1: remember the Janjue working as mercenaries, and you have these

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Speaker 1: drones called wing Loon drones. They're basically a cheap knockoff

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Speaker 1: of what we call the Predator drone, and the Chinese

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Speaker 1: are selling these at a million dollars a copy. Saudi

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Speaker 1: Arabia just about three hundred of them. The UAE has dozens,

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Speaker 1: and they're going to sell more to places like Pakistan

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Speaker 1: and anybody who basically wants to buy a drone that

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Speaker 1: can kill people, you know, from seven miles away. So

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Speaker 1: that doesn't seem that bad on paper until you're actually

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Speaker 1: in Libyan. These drones are trying to kill you. So

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Speaker 1: did you see any flying around up there? Of course

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Speaker 1: they're in there all the time, and they're used differently

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Speaker 1: by each side. So not only does Halftar, who's the

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Speaker 1: east right back by Egypt and you, and Saudi Arabia

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Speaker 1: use these wing loon drones, but the GNA or the

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Speaker 1: official UN government, also has Turkish drones. The difference is

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Speaker 1: the Turkish drones are operated by Turkish military people and

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Speaker 1: the only target military targets. The Chinese drones are used

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Speaker 1: by half Tars people to hit everything from refugee bases

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Speaker 1: to medics to people like me. So, for example, I

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Speaker 1: was out on the front lines and we drove out

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Speaker 1: to the I guess you'd call it a safe house,

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Speaker 1: so the operations house, and they were about four of

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Speaker 1: us in this cluster, and the mortars were hitting, but

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Speaker 1: they weren't that close. And suddenly they got closer, and

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Speaker 1: I told the young soldiers, I said, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: bracketing us, and so we probably should move out of

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Speaker 1: here and move towards the front line. And they said, oh, no,

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Speaker 1: don't worry, and then boom another one. Well no, I

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Speaker 1: mean multiple drones, I mean multiple mortars. Not mortars are

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Speaker 1: fired with a tube from about half a mile away.

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Speaker 1: And then the commander said, oh, look, bung just landed over.

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Speaker 1: Let's go look at it. I said, don't think it's

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Speaker 1: a good idea. He walks outside and boom, they almost

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Speaker 1: hit him with a mortar. That means somebody's watching from

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Speaker 1: and telling people firing the mortar how close they are.

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Speaker 1: So we go back in the house. One of the

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Speaker 1: kids wants his picture taken and he's standing by an

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Speaker 1: open window and boom, a mortar blows in the window.

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Speaker 1: And then I said, okay, look, the next one's going

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Speaker 1: to be right on top of us. So as I

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Speaker 1: walked behind the wall, a mortar landed in the room

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Speaker 1: and exploded. So that's not the bad part. So the

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Speaker 1: bad part is we then had to take one of

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Speaker 1: the wounded soldiers to a spittal a field hospital, and

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Speaker 1: the day before these drones, these Chinese drones, and hit

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Speaker 1: somebody on the front lines. Followed them the ambulance back

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Speaker 1: to the hospital, and when the truck stopped and the

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Speaker 1: medics came out with the gurney, they hit them again

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Speaker 1: and they killed the medics. And the rest of doing

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Speaker 1: the same basic thing driving with the soldier to the hospital,

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Speaker 1: and then just as relieving on the airport, the airport

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Speaker 1: gets hit by a drone. So I'm just saying that

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Speaker 1: these are rogue drone operators, I guess if you want

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Speaker 1: to call them that. But these these drones are so cheap,

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Speaker 1: and they're used by people who you wouldn't allow, you know,

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Speaker 1: the babysit your children's right. Imagine this proliferation in third

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Speaker 1: world countries. How big are these drones, Robert, Well, they're

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Speaker 1: quite big. The ones that carry the missiles they can carry,

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Speaker 1: they can fire up the eight missiles they littenas they

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Speaker 1: use the road tax engine, so all you hear is

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Speaker 1: like they're flying above and just before they hit they

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Speaker 1: drop an altitude, so the pitch of the engine changes.

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Speaker 1: You don't actually hear the missile. You can see the

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Speaker 1: little flame coming out of what is essentially a hell

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Speaker 1: fire anti tank missile, and it's designed to take out armor,

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Speaker 1: but they use it against people and houses and civilians whatever.

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Speaker 1: But the point is this terrifies the people in Libya

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Speaker 1: worried about these drones following them and potentially hitting them,

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Speaker 1: and who's controlling them. Well, in this case, they have

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Speaker 1: Libyan operators because they actually have a drone division and

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Speaker 1: they have UAE trainers. I don't believe the UAE are

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Speaker 1: pushing the kill button. I believe the Libyans are because

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Speaker 1: they have such random choices of targets. They just killed

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Speaker 1: some civilians yesterday and they've been using them on the

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Speaker 1: It's tricky to use a drone. You know, you can

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Speaker 1: fire it and don't always hit the target it's aimed at. Now,

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Speaker 1: these Libyans that are controlling the drones, are these the

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Speaker 1: same Libyans who overthrew Kadafi. Well here, so here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: So Libya is a unitary country that was split apart.

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Speaker 1: And when you talk to Libyans, like when I was

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Speaker 1: meat color. They're very focused on the fact that they

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Speaker 1: want one Libya, one country, one government, and a democratic

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Speaker 1: vote to create that government and then it breaks down

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Speaker 1: into these tribal things. And what happens is that people

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Speaker 1: thrown out. Absolutely, they're installing these these tough guys like

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Speaker 1: like CC and Egypt and also Himetti in Sudan. They're

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Speaker 1: Ben Lawden's all over the place. Well, Ben Laden wasn't

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Speaker 1: a leader per se. I'm talking about a military ruler

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Speaker 1: like Daffi did in sixty nine exactly. And Halftar is

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Speaker 1: a Kadafist, and the people that believe in the strong

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Speaker 1: man idea are a Kadafist. The idea that only you know,

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Speaker 1: one man can unify a country like Saddam Hussein for example,

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Speaker 1: UAE in Saudi Arapea have the ear of President Trump,

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Speaker 1: so they're subverting our foreign policy to support the bad guy.

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Speaker 1: In other words, when Rex Tillerson was Secretary of State,

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Speaker 1: what our goal was because we're America. After Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: talked to LCCI, he then called Halifa Halftar, who doesn't

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Speaker 1: which then completely reversed the dynamics of foreign policy in

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Speaker 1: and I'm not here to teach the history of Libya.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is we as a nation are supporting

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Speaker 1: the democratic process, against people who want to vote. Is

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Speaker 1: oil still flowing, Robert, It's about half of the output.

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Speaker 1: It used to be about one point five million barrels,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of Libya's money is locked up. So

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Speaker 1: it's not a wealthy country. But there's literally no reason

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Speaker 1: to be a very wealthy, socialized country. Can there be

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Speaker 1: a democratic government there? Well, eighty percent of Libyans want

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Speaker 1: I mean you have an upswelling of people who want democracy,

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Speaker 1: they experience that, they see that people, young people get

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Speaker 1: for all, but they've actually lived in a socialized bubble

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Speaker 1: like Syria or any other country that's had sort of

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Speaker 1: So there's a gap in reality between what Arab spring

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Speaker 1: Robert still in Iraq, still in Afghanistan, still in Somalia.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many troops were in Germany. We're

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Speaker 1: still in Germany. Yeah, how many troops in Syria? Have

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Speaker 1: I'm a believer that we should go in and go

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the people negotiating. We're sent to Ghidmo

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Speaker 1: Send them that Ghiitmo wasn't open them, but they sent

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Speaker 1: So these people have literally no connection to the Taliban

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Speaker 1: Afghanistan right now. Now, what's going on with the Ran

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Speaker 1: in Venezuela. Two more pressure points? Well, John Bolton has

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Speaker 1: been pretty quiet these stomping around. But John Bolton presented

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Speaker 1: and that meant Venezuela. That meant to Ron Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: wisely said, ah, not so fast, John, because once we

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Speaker 1: plan of getting out of these places. So we talked tough,

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Speaker 1: We destroyed their economy, and we still call them names,

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Speaker 1: but they exist. And just like QBA existed and still exists,

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