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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

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Speaker 1: Clark with Charles W. Smiley Faced Bryant and Jerry party

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Speaker 1: face rolling. I got no emoji. I'm just Josh wink face. Sure,

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Speaker 1: eggplant and peach. Whoa, I know that's dirty, but you

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Speaker 1: can say eggplant and peach and get away with it

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Speaker 1: even on the team. Sounds like a the lightful meal.

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Speaker 1: It does. Actually it doesn't at all, but not at all.

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Speaker 1: It is cute for sure. I use the bitmoji now

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Speaker 1: some some which I see is not even in this research.

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Speaker 1: So I just thought to throw it out there early.

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Speaker 1: I want to go on record as saying that my

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Speaker 1: bit mooji is one of the best, because I'm honest,

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Speaker 1: even do a bit moji? Do you even have that? Sure?

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Speaker 1: I've going okay, because you know, you design your own thing.

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Speaker 1: So I found that a lot of people's bitmoji's aren't

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Speaker 1: very honest. You mean, the the the image of the person.

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, I got a little chubby bearded guy,

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Speaker 1: and every time I sent it to someone there like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, that looks just like you. And I

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Speaker 1: said yeah, because I'm honest, I didn't make myself a supermodel.

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Speaker 1: I got you. I got you. I thought you meant

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Speaker 1: you were just like like you'd say like I don't

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Speaker 1: like that and mean it kind of thing. Now, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I've ever sent you a bit moji,

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna do that right now. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you have checked in real time. What do you want? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You want me on an elephant? Yes? Or me crying

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Speaker 1: in the rain because you're not near me. Can you

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Speaker 1: cry in the rain on an elephant? I don't think

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Speaker 1: I can bind either. One's fine, elephant, we'll do elephant.

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Speaker 1: I love elephants. Well, I can't find the elephant now,

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Speaker 1: so I'll diploy you a kiss. Okay, So what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about today are not bit mooji's, although they would

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Speaker 1: qualify as a sub type of this, I guess. But

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Speaker 1: they use a lot of words. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: when you're playing charades and somebody's like, that's close. That's close.

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Speaker 1: It's like you can't talk, man, you have to just

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Speaker 1: shut up. You have to charade it. That's the difference

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Speaker 1: between bit mooji and emoji, and emoji is really what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about today, which is a pictograph basically like, um,

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Speaker 1: a hieroglyph okay, but it's a modern hieroglyphic. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: I will also go on record as saying I don't

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Speaker 1: really use emojis anymore because of the bit moji um

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Speaker 1: and I don't use them that often, but it's always

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Speaker 1: funny to send a bit moji to someone, like kind

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Speaker 1: of go out on a limb and be like, should

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Speaker 1: I send this? And then you get one back? Like

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Speaker 1: I remember the first time I bit moji Hodgeman. I

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Speaker 1: thought he's gonna think I'm just so stupid, and he

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Speaker 1: sent one right back. He's on the bitmoji train. I

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Speaker 1: can buy that for sure. But I don't use the

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Speaker 1: emoji as much anymore. But I did when they when

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Speaker 1: I I guess they first kind of hit the scene

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Speaker 1: on the smartphone. Um, and now I get a little

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Speaker 1: I mean, kissy faces and stuff are fine, but I

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Speaker 1: don't like when I just get like a thumbs up

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Speaker 1: reply for okay, that's fine, or thumbs up is almost

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Speaker 1: like I can barely tolerate you. Yeah, that's what it

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Speaker 1: feels like to me. That's what they're saying. I can't

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Speaker 1: be bothered to type okay, Right, I say k K

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Speaker 1: because it really kind of takes okay and and turns

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Speaker 1: it even more personal. I always thought you were just

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Speaker 1: jittery admitt to type k and just said it. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm saying kak. So now you have legendarily fast thumbs.

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Speaker 1: I do. It's from all the coffee I drink and

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Speaker 1: the speed. I will also say this that this article,

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Speaker 1: and I mean I kind of picked it because well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, we needed something a little easier

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Speaker 1: this week because it's a tough week. This is a

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Speaker 1: little more in depth than you may have thought, more

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Speaker 1: in depth and like way more interesting than I thought.

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Speaker 1: The whole history of it I thought was pretty fascinating.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the history of it. Man. The

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Speaker 1: the widely agreed upon start date for emojis comes back

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Speaker 1: in Night two, all the way back in two. And

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Speaker 1: it wasn't an emoji that first came out. It was

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Speaker 1: what are known as emoticons, the predecessor of emoji. Remember

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Speaker 1: those days, And we're all just big dummies and type

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Speaker 1: colin parentheses on a way. It wouldn't mean that that'd

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Speaker 1: be that's not even a thing. Yeah, colin parentheses is

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Speaker 1: smiley face. I was thinking quotations. Sorry, yeah, right, So

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Speaker 1: colon in a parentheses either way is a smiley face

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Speaker 1: or a frownie face. And that we can point to.

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Speaker 1: This is so cool that that they know who did this.

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Speaker 1: But a guy named um uh Scott Falman, and he

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Speaker 1: was either an admin or a frequent user or whatever

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Speaker 1: had something to do with the message board, the electronic

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Speaker 1: message board UM which was a very very early like

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Speaker 1: chat room forum prototype back in two for Carnegie Mellon University. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which we did some time there. We served out of

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Speaker 1: sentence there, we did. Now we did a little uh,

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Speaker 1: a little short video Carnegie Mellon for days. Yeah, short

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Speaker 1: video for days. But yeah two he uh and I

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Speaker 1: don't even know if you said specifically, but September nineteenth.

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Speaker 1: They actually have the actual date, which is amazing. And

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Speaker 1: he said on this bulletin board, if you put a

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Speaker 1: smiley face using this actually he even gus seated up

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Speaker 1: with the dashes the nose that they lost the dash

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Speaker 1: pretty quick. I like the dash, do you it gets overdone?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I like? It's like it's a

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Speaker 1: horse face. What I like her? The people that are

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Speaker 1: can do like a whole picture out of typing things?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like the Shrug Guy. Yeah that's no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I mean like this whole page would be a big rooster.

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Speaker 1: It's like the kids and me, you and everyone we know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. They had like the Book of Them that

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Speaker 1: was the cutest touch. Yeah, good movie. That is the

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Speaker 1: one movie that has ever done whimsy right and didn't

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Speaker 1: go over the edge. It was whimsical to an exactly perfect,

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Speaker 1: non annoying degree. So every other movie with whimsy you hate, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: I've never learned it just copy and paste him. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've never done it myself, but I just like the

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Speaker 1: way it looks. And I thought that's creative because it

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Speaker 1: looks exactly like what it is. Um And I was

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Speaker 1: always partial to as well to the awkward which was

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Speaker 1: which was that Colin slash. Oh that one's kind of

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Speaker 1: makes feelings about because it can also mean like wow,

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Speaker 1: why I like it. I think very versatile. It is versatile.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to it, all right. So anyway, he said,

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Speaker 1: used to clear up like the ambiguity of text and

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Speaker 1: So if somebody was joking or being sarcastic, yeah, like

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Speaker 1: he used this thing, you right, and then the person

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Speaker 1: message board because the person will know you were joking, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it started in and what as we'll see. What

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Speaker 1: Falman hit on the head was the very point that

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Speaker 1: emojis fulfill, which is they add context to plain text,

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Speaker 1: which is important. Yeah. So um, Falman came up with

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Speaker 1: his triumphant victory, like you said, September nineteen, and now

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Speaker 1: he trademarked it very wisely. So hope everybody's sending him

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Speaker 1: the money in the time they used that emoticon, but

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Speaker 1: before him and I thought this was super interesting. People

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Speaker 1: have always, of course put little smiley faces and letters

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Speaker 1: But um, some historians say in Robert Herrick wrote a

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Speaker 1: poem entitled to Fortune, and it seems as if he

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Speaker 1: is purposely included an emoticon in a line upon my

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Speaker 1: a um. There was a note in addendum and appendage,

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Speaker 1: standardized punctuation, and so even a poet writing something sending

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Speaker 1: the poet's intent, and that it was just accidental. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. I like to think that. Yeah, this guy

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Speaker 1: had a tremendous amount of foresight and and in sixty

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Speaker 1: Robert Herrick said, here's your first emoticon. Everybody, come back

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Speaker 1: and find me in two thousand twelve. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with that story. Okay, that's where we're going with. So

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Speaker 1: the latter UM. And then in we finally get our

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Speaker 1: and believe it or not, everybody, they came from Japan.

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Speaker 1: I don't no surprise, right right. It was a company

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Speaker 1: DoCoMo because that's what it spells. And they had to

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Speaker 1: people um had pagers beepers. Did you ever have a pager? Tons?

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Speaker 1: pager for years and years. I didn't had a page

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Speaker 1: of like a year, if I remember correctly. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean they were for those of you, for you kids

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Speaker 1: It's like a little a little I guess digital thing

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Speaker 1: size of a cigarette pack. But you guys all vape,

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Speaker 1: you don't smoke cigarettes. It was smaller than that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it was the size of I don't even know what

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Speaker 1: it was, the size of a very tiny cell phone.

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Speaker 1: one after. So you would then pull your car over,

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Speaker 1: in it. And so I was looking up the Emoji

424
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: movie and he apparently is accused of making a bomb. Man,

425
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: I saw that. Isn't that crazy? Yeah? He I don't

426
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's doing. That article made me

427
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 1: worry for him. He I think he got in some

428
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: argument on a train with a lady and then and

429
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: then was taken off the train and called in a

430
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: bomb threat on the train that she had a bomb

431
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: and you can't you can't do that, allegedly allegedly allegedly,

432
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 1: yeah you can't do that, t J. Miller, that you

433
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: really can't, man. But yeah, I lay all this at

434
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: the feet of the Emoji movie because he was the

435
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: star of absolutely what was he uh see the egg

436
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: plan of the Peach? I don't know. Well, if he

437
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: was the star, then he probably would have been crying

438
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: with laughter because in two thousand seventeen. I believe for

439
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: three straight years US fifteen, sixteen, and seventeen, crying with

440
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: laughter was the most popular emoji, which I have issue

441
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: with that, and in two thousand fifteen it was Actually

442
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: this is what I have a problem with. Oxford Dictionary

443
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: chose it is the word of the year. I don't

444
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: have a problem with that part. Yeah, that shows Oxford

445
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: Dictionary is keeping up with with the ever evolving language.

446
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: Their descriptive ist not prescriptive ist. All right, that makes

447
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: him a okay in my book, So what's your problem?

448
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: My problem is that that means that crying with laughter

449
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: is overused. None of the people maybe one hundreds of

450
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: one percent of the people who sent the crying with

451
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: laughter emoji actually crying with laughter over like laugh out loud?

452
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: How many people are like l o ol, Like that's

453
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: not that's not what that means. Everybody, you ruined it.

454
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: You ruined laughing out loud, and you're ruin in the crying.

455
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: So you're saying, literally, if you're crying with laughter, is

456
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: the only time you can send that, not just saying

457
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,919
Speaker 1: hey that's really funny. Yes, all right, I think it

458
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: would it would be a much better world if that

459
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: were the case. Okay, I just think it's overused, and

460
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the I think that's one

461
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: reason why everybody is so cynical and sarcastic, is because

462
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: they're so out of touch with our emotions that we

463
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: have the similatroom to stand in for us that instead

464
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: of actually experiencing them, and everything has to be so

465
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: much bigger and bolder than it actually is. There's no

466
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: subtlety your nuance, which is ironic because there's tons of

467
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: subtlety and nuance in actually communicating with emoji, right, I

468
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: mean there's like a medium laughter emoticon probably right, I'm

469
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: sure probably. But it's the same thing is using exclamation points.

470
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: You get trapped in it, you know what I'm saying, So, like,

471
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if you take away the exclamation points,

472
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: people are like, are you mad at me? What's wrong?

473
00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: I've definitely gotten in texts exchanges like hey, do you

474
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: want to go do this thing or whatever? And if

475
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: someone sends back, sure you do that, or yeah, you

476
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: do that a lot. If you just send back sure,

477
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I guess Chuck's not very happy about this.

478
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: I guess I'll start adding exclamation points. No, but you

479
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to, is my point. You should not have to,

480
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: and I think we just need to rip the band

481
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: aid off. I don't ever want to see an exclamation

482
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: point for you again that you don't mean much less

483
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: of double. The one that really is unsettling, though, was

484
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: when when somebody replies with sure period and the s

485
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: is lower case, that means that means things are not

486
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: going well? Right? Then sure? Yeah? Don't You don't want

487
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: me to be a funny because when I say sure,

488
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean sure, but that's how I say it my head.

489
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: But I guess lower case sure period is definitely that's

490
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: saying something. Adding the period onto a lower case word,

491
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: you're sending a message. But if you're not, if you're

492
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: just saying sure like normally, that that's the problem Bloom

493
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: with with text based um communication. It lacks context, that

494
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: lacks emotion. So we're used to communicate any kind of

495
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 1: text base. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like, just just

496
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: let right that. You have to add some sort of punctuation.

497
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: That's the role that emojis fulfill. And we'll talk about

498
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: that after a break. How about that sure lower case period. Alright,

499
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: so we'll go over some interesting stats here of people

500
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: use emojis online. What that's a that's almost everybody, surprising, Yeah,

501
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: and the other eight percent, I don't know. The other

502
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: eight percent have their arms folding. They're like, I'm not

503
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: gonna do it, darn it. That's right. Uh, we've been

504
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: dancing around this peach in the eggplant thing long enough.

505
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: Are we getting there now? Well we might as well.

506
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: So these have famously become uh stand ins for body parts, right,

507
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: like the peaches, like the Almon brothers sense of the words,

508
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: so what they meant? Yeah, I never really thought about that.

509
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, eat a peach. Huh. All right, so it

510
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: soon became a thing to send a peach with an eggplant.

511
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: I am so old and out of that loop that

512
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know this was a real thing. I didn't

513
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: either until um this article, and I was like, oh yeah, obviously,

514
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: especially after reading about it, I'm like, then you look

515
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: at the egg plane, You're like, um. Another uh famous

516
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: emoji is the poop i con. It's one of the

517
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: most ubiquitous, very popular in Japan and has become huge

518
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: in Japan popular in America with its fun little googly eyes,

519
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: And I think didn't Google even have flies buzzing around

520
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: the poop the first poop, which was a little much, frankly,

521
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think back in like two thousand eight

522
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: or something like that, Google came out with their their

523
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: own poop icon for Gmail two seven and they put

524
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: flies around and it was just gross, um, but they

525
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: it's since somebody added the Google eyes later on and

526
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: now it's like a mascot the poop. The poop emoji

527
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: without the eyes is like gross, Like, what's wrong with you?

528
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: Why would you send that? It's like sure, period, right right?

529
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: But the poop with Google eyes is like sure exclamation

530
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: point right, Okay, I think you're right. I'm following along. Uh.

531
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: And there's been a lot of kind of um I

532
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: would call them folk controversies over the years, like last

533
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: just last year, Goal in two thousand seventeen had a

534
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: cheeseburger icon that had the cheese under the meat patty

535
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: and people went berserk. That's really stupid that people went berserk,

536
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: But it's also stupid to put the cheese under the meat. Yeah,

537
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: it's just a weird choice. Did that. It's some the

538
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: person who make that never see a cheeseburger before. It's

539
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: a really ducking stupid thing to do. But if it

540
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: was somebody who really had never seen a cheeseburger before,

541
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: then God bless them, and I feel bad for him

542
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: for the outrage they created. Because even if even if

543
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: they put the bun on upside down, even if they'd

544
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: left off the ketchup, okay, it doesn't matter, it still

545
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: looks like a cheeseburger. Settle down. Sometimes I wonder if

546
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: they do that, some of that stuff that these programmers

547
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: or designers or coders or whoever does these they do

548
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: that on purpose, just to rib people like, I'm gonna

549
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: put the cheese. Yeah, We're going to set the internetut,

550
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: And they did. Apparently the CEO of go goal Um,

551
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: I did not know that this was the CEO of

552
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Google sundar Okay, he said, we are going to drop

553
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: everything else we are doing to go sort this out. Yeah,

554
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: I imagined fairly sarcastically. I would think so sarcastic emoticon, right,

555
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: whatever that is that is, Like, I don't know what

556
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: that would be. I think you've got to use I

557
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: don't know what you would what is a sarcastic emotive?

558
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: I bet there's one people use and we're just not

559
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: hip to. That would be my guess. Another word is old.

560
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: There was a survey for match dot com that claimed

561
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: that people who used emojis had sex more often than

562
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: those people who didn't. Apparently, the wine emoji is huge

563
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: in Britain and Australians love their drug related emojis. We're

564
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: gonna be in Australia, it's right, So we're gonna find

565
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: out what that's all about when we went down enda. Uh,

566
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: and of course we need to talk about the skin tone.

567
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Very early on it was um I think in two

568
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, the Unicode Consortium changed the default skin tone

569
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: to what they call Simpson's Yellow. But then you have

570
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: the ability to tend them two different I think five

571
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: different skin tones to represent um, you know, at least

572
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: five different shades of skin. Right, which was a good start, right,

573
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: It was a good start. And there, I mean there's

574
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: they are still just getting going. There's plenty that have

575
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: been left off. Um like they just now are starting

576
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: to add redheads to things and curly haired people. That's crazy,

577
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: which is crazy, um cool that they're adding it. But yeah,

578
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: there's there's always somebody whose feelings are hurt because they're

579
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: left out by the emoji people every year. They also

580
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: say that too many smiley faces, Uh, if you're dealing

581
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: with work, And if you're dealing with work, maybe avoid

582
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: emojis would be my guess. It depends on who you're

583
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: talking with. I mean, if it's a friend or whatever. Yeah,

584
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: it depends on your job too. Yeah, if you're in banking,

585
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: in your community, hating with the client you've just met.

586
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: It depends on what job it is too, of course.

587
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: But there is apparently a study out there that said, um,

588
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: contrary to what you think, using too many smiley emoticons

589
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: don't increase your perception of warmth. They decrease perception of competence.

590
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: I totally get that. But like the study was from oh,

591
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: the Journal Social Psychological and Personality Science. It was a

592
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen study and they said, um, not only

593
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: is it a smiley face emoji not a smile, it

594
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: has some of the opposite effects, which is like, I mean,

595
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: it totally makes sense if you think about it, Like

596
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: somebody smiling, You're like, oh, I want to be around

597
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: that person. Somebody's saying a bunch of smiley face and

598
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, what an idiot. You know, it's really

599
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: easy to cross that line. Well, yeah, and it's also

600
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: really easy to get in trouble. Um, do do not

601
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 1: send emoji threats because that's a real thing. There have

602
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: been people all over the world that have been arrested

603
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: for sending like handgun emojis two people that they were

604
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: angry at and getting arrested. Yeah, for making like actual

605
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: threats threats, right, that that counts legally, which so that raises,

606
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: um some questions about what emojis are? Are they language?

607
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: Are they are? There's actually I want to give um.

608
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: There's this guy I think he's a rapper actually named

609
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: Young Jake y U n G Jake. So the absence

610
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: of the oh and young indicates he might be a

611
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: rapper Young right, Young Jake? You and Carl um. But

612
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: Young Jake is an emoji portraitist. Man, that stuff was

613
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: so cool, didn't that awesome? Yeah? So this guy does

614
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: portraits of people, like really good portraits strictly from emojis

615
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: layered in really interesting ways. He's got like a really

616
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: great Instagram to check out too. Why you eng Jake?

617
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: But go check that one out. And then there's also

618
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: a dude named Fred Benninson and he translated um Moby

619
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: Dick into emojis. It's called emoji Dick. And every word

620
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: of every line of Moby Dick has been translated into emojis.

621
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: And this guy did this right. He hired three people

622
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: to translate every single line, and then he had he

623
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: hired another group of people who would look at each

624
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: line and then look at the line of text and say,

625
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: this is the one of the three that's the that

626
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: best gets this across for every line. So you can

627
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: get Emoji Dick online for two hundred bucks. For hard

628
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: copy two dollars, but I think he sells it by

629
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: the PDF for five bucks and as Moby Dick represented

630
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: by an egg plant in the peach, or at least

631
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: the egg plant. So there's a lot of like, it's

632
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Speaker 1: obvious that emoji is art, but there's a lot of

633
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Speaker 1: people out there, linguists included, who are saying emoji she

634
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Speaker 1: is words too, and it may be a language that's

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Speaker 1: developing in front of our eyes. It's pretty interesting as

636
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: it stands now, though technically, if you're a linguist, it

637
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Speaker 1: is not a language because it lacks grammar, which is

638
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: structures that allow you to take words and put them

639
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: into different combinations to create higher thoughts. Emojis do not

640
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: yet allow us to do that because there's not real rules. Yeah,

641
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: but there, I mean, there are people studying at this

642
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 1: one article you sent a woman named Rachel Tatman Uh,

643
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: a linguistics PhD candidate from the University of Washington, Go Huskies. Uh.

644
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: She did some studies like where she would show people

645
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Speaker 1: pictures like photographs and then say, how would you emoji

646
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Speaker 1: that description of that picture? Right right? And there are

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Speaker 1: different pictures that were subtly different, I mean, they were

648
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Speaker 1: obviously different, like the the first one was a man

649
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Speaker 1: counting money, and she would say, would you would you

650
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Speaker 1: say what this picture is doing by emoji man emoji

651
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Speaker 1: dollar bill or emoji dollar bill emoji man. And the results,

652
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seemed like she didn't get a lot

653
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Speaker 1: that were fifty fifty for any of these. It seems

654
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Speaker 1: like most of them that she got were like seventy

655
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Speaker 1: eight of people kind of citing one way or the

656
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: other as far as far as far as order goes.

657
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Speaker 1: So she believes kind of firmly that she's proven that

658
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: their bidirectional well, depends, It depends. So with the one

659
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Speaker 1: of the man counting money, of the people said that

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Speaker 1: they would they would depict that emoji wise with man

661
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Speaker 1: and then dollar bill. And the reason why she said

662
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: it was because there was an agent patient relationship. The

663
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Speaker 1: agent was the man acting on the money the patient,

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Speaker 1: and it was very clear. So there's really only one

665
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Speaker 1: way to say it. Man money, man is counting money

666
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: very much like a subject and a predicate in a sense.

667
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: That's one way they could act. They can also be um.

668
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: They can also kind of describe the layout of a

669
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Speaker 1: photo too, if there's not a very strong agent patient relationship, right,

670
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: So her takeaway basically is that they can represent like

671
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: the physical arrangement of things and also words. So there's

672
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: another one was a picture of a man walking past

673
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: the castle, and the castle's basically the big part of

674
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: the picture and the man's pretty small, but the man

675
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 1: is in the lower right corner. So most people said

676
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: that they would do castle man because the man is

677
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: not acting on the castle. Castle is not acting on

678
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Speaker 1: the man, but that's the yeah, and that's the way

679
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: it's arranged in the picture. So she was saying that

680
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: it can it can it can mimic the structure of sentences,

681
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: and it can also mimic the structure of pictures, which

682
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 1: makes emoji definitely their own thing. But the whole reason,

683
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: the whole point of emoji, the reason that we use them.

684
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Speaker 1: There's a guy named Viv Evans think he's at a

685
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Speaker 1: Banger University. He's a huge proponent of emojis as a

686
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Speaker 1: new way to communicate rather than a step backwards, because

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Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people, probably people who

688
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Speaker 1: hate vocal fry or like emojis so stupid. Anybody who

689
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Speaker 1: uses emoji stupid, And it's a giant step backwards for language,

690
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Speaker 1: which is what why I think the Oxford English Dictionary

691
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 1: was making such a statement by choosing the crying face

692
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: as the word of the year. They were they were

693
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Speaker 1: casting their lot on the side of emojis as being

694
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Speaker 1: a new form of communication. Um so, Viv Evans is like, yes,

695
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: that's absolutely true. And they what they do is they

696
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: stand in for things like gestures and intonation, things that

697
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: are missing in its strictly text based message like texting

698
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: or Twitter or an email. And that's what emojis do.

699
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: They add emotion, they convey nuance to it that otherwise

700
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: in there, and they're fun sure, like get the stick

701
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: from your peach, you can stick out of your peach

702
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: and have a lot fun with emoji's. You know what's funny?

703
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: Chuck is um the Apparently the mystery has never been

704
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: solved as too exactly why eggplant is in there in

705
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: the first place. It's kind of a weird one to add,

706
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: considering we didn't have redheads until recently or curly heard people,

707
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: but there's always been an eggplan. It makes you wonder, Yeah,

708
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: for sure. Uh and this is the last thing I've

709
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 1: got was something you sent, which is kind of a

710
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: cool move. Apple wants to be more inclusive with their emojis,

711
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: so they are proposing as a starting point and not

712
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: a comprehensive list there proposing including emojis uh to represent

713
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: people disabilities, so things like uh a man or a

714
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: woman with a cane, prosthetic legs and arms, guide dogs,

715
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: hearing aids, people in wheelchair stuff like that, right, and

716
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: those would be part of Emoji twelve point oh, which

717
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: would come out in March of two thousand nineteen. And

718
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: they just released Emoji eleven point oh to the publicum,

719
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: which includes the partying face cupcakes? Is that what this

720
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 1: huge list is? So these are all available now, they're

721
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: going to be available on phones in August, but they

722
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: were what the list was released to the public, and

723
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: this this Unicode consortium. They take all these under advisement,

724
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: but they also put him out into the public to say,

725
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about these two write um

726
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: and there's a few that they will never take. They

727
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: never will will accept when of a living person, a deity,

728
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: or a business logo, all those are off the table immediately.

729
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: But then other ones they want to make sure aren't

730
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: too specific. And then like the Golden Arches, you'll never

731
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: see something like no, not as long as it's open source.

732
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: But there are some pretty good ones coming down the

733
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: pike this August. I wonder what super villain is. It's

734
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: um Mustache. It's kind of like a doctor Stranger, Professor

735
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: Stranger or whatever, kind of like pop call cape. Yeah,

736
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: it obviously gets across, especially when it's next to the

737
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: superhero one that it's the super villain. I think my

738
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: favorites coming soon are nazar Amulet. I don't even know

739
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: what that is. I don't either, Mosquito that seems relevant

740
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: there's there's one that's coming that's it's probably the best

741
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: emoji of all time. The clown face. Oh, that's not

742
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: a thing. It's really well done. Yeah, because that's so versatile.

743
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: It is, but it's also like a good looking emoji. Um,

744
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: is it a scary clown or now? No, it's a great, perfect,

745
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: universally beautiful clown. And I can't remember, you know, we

746
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: did our clown episodes, so I can't remember if it's

747
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: an August clown or what what type of clown it is,

748
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: but it's a great clown. Um. And you can see

749
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: all these by the way at emoji Pedia. I just

750
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: saw it. Oh what do you think? Did you see it? Yeah,

751
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: it's good. The guy who did Pennywise the I can't

752
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: remember which he's he's a Scars guard. That's why you

753
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: say we don't know. We'll never know, but um, he

754
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: did just an amazing job. Yeah. And I had no

755
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: skin in the game. I had never read any of

756
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: it or seen any previous versions at all, and I

757
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: just thought it had a lot of heart and was creepy,

758
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: and I thought it was really good. I thought it

759
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: was good too. But you could also tell that stranger

760
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: Things had come out while they were writing this, and

761
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, let's retool this a little bit

762
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: to really hit the Stranger Things crowd. I don't think

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00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: that's true. I think it is true. I think they

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Speaker 1: were I think that script was locked long before Stranger

765
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: Things came out, and I think they retooled it. Uh,

766
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: you got anything else on the kid from Stranger Things

767
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: is in it? That was a little on the nose.

768
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm curious about the timeline there. So, Um, there's another

769
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: one coming out to It's a dude with a frow

770
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: who looks exactly like Slim Good Body. That's coming out

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Speaker 1: just like Slim Good Body. And then there's a mind

774
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: blown one in a vomiting one too. But the clowns

775
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: the best one. Okay, I'm excited. Do you want him

776
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: more about emojis? Go out, go forth, start talking in emojis.

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00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,080
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