1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Day BAQ podcast available every morning on Apple, 3 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Friday, the sixth of 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: September in London. I'm Caroline Hepki. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up. 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 4: Today's US jobs data could set the tone for rate 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 4: cuts as the Federal Reserves Austin Gilsby warns of rising unemployment. 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 2: France's new prime Minister Michelle Barnier makes overtures to Lapenn's 9 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: national rally. 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 4: Plus exclusive reporting from Bloomberg that the UK Labor Party's 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 4: top fundraiser has been advising on appointees for public posts. 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: We have the details. 13 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 14 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 4: Traders are preparing for US jobs data that may determine 15 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 4: the size of a FED rate cut this month. Forecasters 16 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 4: expect the August report to show a bounce in hiring 17 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 4: and a tick lower in the unemployment rate after July's 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 4: softer data spooked markets, the media, and estimate in the 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 4: Bloomberg Survey of economists shows payrolls probably rose by one 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 4: hundred and sixty five thousand last month, following July's increase 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 4: of one hundred and fourteen thousand, unemployment is predicted to 22 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 4: have added down to four point two percent. That report 23 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 4: out at one thirty pm London time. We'll have live 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 4: coverage across the terminal and on Bloomberg Radio Chicago. 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: FED President Austin Goulsby says that he has seen mounting 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: warning signs from the labor market, but more favorable inflation readings. 27 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: Speaking to Dale Jones' market Watch, Gulesby said it's pretty 28 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 2: clear that the path is not just rate cuts soon, 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: but multiple cuts over the next twelve months. That sentiment 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: was echoed by billionaire investor John Paulson, who told Bloomberg 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: Sonali Bassak that the FED waited too long to ease 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 2: and he now expects significant rate reductions over the coming year. 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 5: Inflation now is somewhere around three percent. Interest rates are 34 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 5: five percent, so real interest rates are too hot. So 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 5: that FED I think waited too long to bring interest 36 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 5: rates down. So I think the likely course of action 37 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 5: is going forward is the FED will start to cut 38 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 5: interest rates. 39 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 6: What should they be by the end of twenty twenty five. 40 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 5: It's difficult to predict, but my best guess would be 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 5: around three percent, perhaps two and a half percent. 42 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: Well, you can hear the full interview with John Paulson, 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 2: who's talked about as a potential Treasury secretary if Donald 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: Trump wins the presidency on the Bloomberg Talks podcasts, All 45 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: your key conversations in one place. 46 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 4: Donald Trump says he would cut the corporate tax rate 47 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 4: and slash regulations, as he pitched his economic agenda to 48 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 4: Wall Street and Corporate Leader is at the Economic Club 49 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 4: of New York. 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 7: To further support the revival of American manufacturing, my plan 51 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 7: calls for expanded R and D tax credits, one hundred 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 7: percent bonus appreciation expensing for new manufacturing investments, and a 53 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 7: reduction in the corporate tax rate from twenty one percent 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 7: to fifteen percent, surely for companies that make their product 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 7: in America. 56 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 4: Trump's proposal is a stark contrast to come on the 57 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 4: Harris's vision for corporate taxes. The Democratic presidential nominee has 58 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 4: called to increase the corporate rate to twenty eight percent. 59 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 4: Trump also vowed to establish a task force to review 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 4: federal expenditure, headed by Elon Musk. The Tesla and SpaceX 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: CEO has endorsed the Republican nominee and previously pitched the 62 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 4: idea to the former president Well. 63 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 2: The European Central Bank will continue to cut interest rates 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: every quarter despite a weaker economy. That according to a 65 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: poll of analysts who don't think that the central Bank 66 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: will speed up reductions in order to bolster growth. Respondents 67 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: expect the European deposit rate to be lowered from three 68 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: point seventy five percent to three and a half percent 69 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: at next week's ECB meeting, following the initial cut that 70 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: we saw in June, and for the ECB to cut 71 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 2: steadily to two and a half percent by next September. 72 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 4: France's new prime minister has made a plea to the 73 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 4: country's factions to work together as he seeks to build 74 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 4: support in parliament. Michelle Baignier has promised to focus on 75 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 4: issues including security and reducing migration, seen as a nod 76 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 4: to the priorities of the far right. The former e 77 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 4: Brexit negotiator also said France must confront the difficult truths 78 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: about its public finances. 79 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 8: We will act more than talk. We'll try to find 80 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 8: solutions coming from everywhere. The government will not pretend to 81 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 8: have a superior knowledge. I have learned in my long 82 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 8: public life that good ideas come from everywhere, often from 83 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 8: the bottom, the most humble of people, when you take 84 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 8: the time to listen to them. 85 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 4: That's Fin's Prime Minister Michelle Baargnier speaking through a translator. 86 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 4: He'll now have to construct a cabinet which can unite 87 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 4: the left, right and centrist blocks in Parliament, none of 88 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 4: which have a majority. His next task will be to 89 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 4: finalize a budget before the start of next month. 90 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: Here in the UK, a top labor fundraiser who has 91 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: advised the party on appointments for public posts, According to 92 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: people familiar with the matter, who say that staff have 93 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: raised concerns about the situation. Bloomberg's tiba Adebayo has more well. 94 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 9: He Ali is a labor lord, donor and TV mogul, 95 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 9: but it's the role he's reportedly playing in public appointments 96 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 9: that's worrying insiders. Sources say, Ali, previously the party's chair 97 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 9: of general election fundraising, has been working with senior officials 98 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 9: to source candidates in a project he's dubbed Operation Integrity. 99 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 9: One person says members made their unease about the same 100 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 9: individual soliciting donations and advising on appointments known to senior 101 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 9: figures to no avail. However, a Downing Street official said 102 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 9: Earli played no part in public appointments or cabinet formation 103 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 9: and denied knowledge of any complaints made against him. The 104 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 9: news comes after Prime Minister Keir Starmer promised a total 105 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 9: crackdown on cronyism if his party got back into government 106 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 9: at the beginning of twenty twenty four in London, tiwa 107 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 9: ad A Bayo Bloomberg Radio. 108 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: Hong Kong is keeping its stock market closed today is 109 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 4: a typhoon nears the region. Trading on the country's four 110 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 4: point nine trillion dollar exchange was canceled after the city's 111 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 4: weather bureau extended a typhoon signal eight warning until early afternoon. 112 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: But this is likely to be the last time a 113 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 4: weather event stops trading in Hong Kong, as the city 114 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 4: elected last year to end its decades long practice of 115 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 4: shutting markets during severe storms. It comes as Hong Kong 116 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: battles to improve the appeal of its flagging stock market, 117 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 4: with the benchmark Hang Sang Index down more than five 118 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 4: percent over the past twelve months, underperforming global peers. 119 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 3: In a moment more on the pivotal. 120 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 4: Jobs report expected today out of the US, plus details 121 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 4: about what the French Prime Minister is going to be 122 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 4: facing in his new job. One of the story that 123 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 4: caughtry this morning from our at Bloomberg opinion columnist ft 124 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: Flamm looking at the question of emails and whether or 125 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 4: not you should respond to them when you've come back 126 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 4: to that avalanche of emails from holidays. 127 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I always have too many. But it's so interesting 128 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: what fd writes about that humans like monky keys, put 129 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: hierarchy at the heart of much of what we do, 130 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: and that email is governed by the rules of dominance hierarchy. Basically, 131 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: this is kind of the central idea that social primates 132 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: are wired to sort of play these games on email, 133 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: she writes. The sender wants something from the recipient, but 134 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: it is the status of the recipient relative to the 135 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 2: sender that it takes, whether or not and for how 136 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 2: long the request can be ignored. And it also, of 137 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: course takes much more email, much more effort to manage 138 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: the emails from people who might be higher than you 139 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 2: in the hierarchy. 140 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 4: So careful about how you phrase them. The argument is 141 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 4: that you can just sort of fire off any old 142 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 4: response if you perceive someone as being lower in the 143 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 4: pecking order than you. 144 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: But the difficulty is when you don't know what the 145 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: status of the other person might be. 146 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: I always write you such lovely emails. 147 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: I thought the status relationship is quite anyway less of that. 148 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: You can read all about it. It's a really great piece. 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: If you're struggling to manage, it's your email. But yeah, 150 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: our column, miss advise is humor to deflect the tension 151 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: with any I'd. 152 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 3: Never do that, Caroline. 153 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: Right, Let's turn back to one of our top stories 154 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 4: this morning. Of course, we're looking ahead to the crucial 155 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 4: payrolls data today in the US, but also thinking about 156 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: what Donald Trump told the Economic Club of New York 157 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: about his plans for corporate taxes. Bimberg anchor Crittie gooptas 158 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 4: but across all of these stories for us, and she's 159 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: with us in studio now, and let's start with the 160 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 4: payrolls data, of course, a big event for markets today, Crittie, 161 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 4: what's the expectation. Is it really going to be the 162 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 4: big decider when it comes to whether or not the 163 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 4: faed's going to cut by fifty basis points. 164 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 7: It is going to be the. 165 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: Big decider and the expectations that it's going to be 166 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: a miss in the in the payrolls numbers. And this 167 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: is significant because if you look at the data deluge 168 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: of in the job's kind of sector this week, you've 169 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: seen a miss on the ADP payrolls or ADP number 170 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: E sees me, which really shows the private new hires 171 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: that you're going to see. You saw fewer than expected 172 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: job openings in the JOLT data as well. All indications 173 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: thus far are pointing to a miss on the payrolls. 174 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: You're also seeing few expected in jobless claimed, so this 175 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: is kind of pointing to the deceleration the jobs market 176 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: in all various parts of the economy, whether it comes 177 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: to job openings the private sector and now of course 178 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: not farm payrolls as well. That being said, this is 179 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 1: a data set that tends to surprise. So if you 180 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: look at the market reaction off of the back of it, 181 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: the one percent that it's about a one percent move 182 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: in either direction for the S and P five hundred 183 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: in the eight hours after the data so basically in 184 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: the trading session after or can quantify, it goes anywhere 185 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: from eight tens to one percent to as high as 186 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: one percent in terms of this particular data set. So 187 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're looking at. But the expectation 188 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: here is that Chair Powell has already boxed himself into 189 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: a little bit of a corner that twenty five is 190 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: what's on the cards for September. The issue is that 191 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: you're already seeing so much weakness this week when it 192 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: comes to the Beige Book, when you're coming seeing ism 193 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: data as well, arguably the services as well, that there's 194 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: a question now of whether Chair Power needs to be 195 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: considering fifty. When I say Chairpole, of course mean the 196 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: entire FMC. But this is why payrolls matters, because if 197 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: it's a severe miss off of the back of the 198 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: August panic as well, that would indicate some sort of 199 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: acceleration towards recession. 200 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 6: Yeah. 201 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely, so it'll be all the more interesting to hear 202 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: from the two very key FED speakers, Williams and Waller. 203 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: The report is out at one thirty pm London time, 204 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 2: so that for the August Paywell's data. Let's also talk 205 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: about Donald trump fifteen percent courtput tax Right pledge that 206 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 2: should get the attention of US corporations if they produce 207 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: in the US. 208 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: Yes, this is a fascinating one because it's coming right 209 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: off of the heels of his rival Kamala Harris talking 210 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: about the tax rates there as well. Look, one of 211 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: the major wins for the Trump administration his first term 212 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: was his tax plan. The tax cuts put more money 213 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: in people's wallets, whether you are a billionaire on Wall 214 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: Street or whether you are a average middle class worker 215 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: in another part of the state. It also helped a 216 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: lot of corporations and incentivized them to repatriate a lot 217 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: of cash. This was something he had campaigned upon the 218 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: first time around. It pulled up money from Asia, pulled 219 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: money from Europe, and brought it back into the States 220 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: from a corporate perspective, which had been a sticking point, 221 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: especially in the tech sector in the United States. So 222 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: he's really leaning into that success story and saying, look, 223 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: even that twenty one percent was a drop from the 224 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: previous amount, which I want to say with something like 225 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: twenty four or twenty five percent, And now he's talking 226 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: about bringing it further to fifteen. By comparison, Kamala Harris 227 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: is vouching for twenty eight percent. Joe Biden has been 228 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: pushing for much higher as well. So this is where 229 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: he's trying to kind of win votes. But he's also 230 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: making the argument here, if you have Trump tax cuts 231 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: or an extension of that which was imposed on twenty 232 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: seventeen and expires in twenty twenty five, there is a 233 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: concern around the deficit, and he's already gone ahead and said, well, actually, 234 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: I can solve that too, and I can do it 235 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: through tariffs, and I can do it through controlling immigration, 236 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: so you have less in terms of a per capita 237 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: approach as well. So his kind of budget thinking is 238 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: a little bit different that, yes, we can fund these 239 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: tax cuts despite having a deficit, and we do it 240 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 1: by basically penalizing for lack of a better term trade 241 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: with the rest of the world and penalizing companies that 242 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 1: rely on an invest on the rest of the world. 243 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: Okay, crazy, good to thank you very much for joining us. Now. 244 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: Sixty days after elections in France, the country has a 245 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 4: new prime minister, Michelle Barnier, has pledged to focus on 246 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 4: issues of importance to the far right, including security and migration. 247 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 4: The seventy three year old former EU bregsit negotiator was 248 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 4: touched by Emmanuel Macrant to be premier. We spoke to 249 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 4: Barney on Bloomberg Radio last year and asked him about 250 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 4: his future. 251 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 6: But next, it's not necessary to recall my age. 252 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: I was very careful too. 253 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 6: Yes, I know my age. I'm very realistic. So I 254 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 6: just want to be useful by taking part to the 255 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 6: debate in my country. 256 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 4: So that was Michelle Barnier speaking to us in June 257 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 4: of last year. Let's bring in Bloomberg senior editor based 258 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 4: in Paris, Phil's Haerafino. Good morning to you, Phil, so Barnier. 259 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 4: They're making a joke about his own age. Not at 260 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 4: my prompting, I should point out France's oldest prime minister 261 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 4: in the modern politically, are are taking over from the youngest. 262 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 4: What kind of prime minister will he make? What does 263 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 4: he stand for? 264 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 10: Well, you know, he's a center right politician with a 265 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 10: long history in government and politics, as he alluded to there, 266 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 10: and presumably Macron sees him as a safe pair of hands, 267 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 10: a calming influence who can bring people together. There was 268 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 10: some reporting that Macron sees him as the least divisive 269 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 10: option in a time when French politics is very divided. 270 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 10: He's not likely to win over anyone on the left, 271 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 10: but he's the kind of person who can work with 272 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 10: Macron's centrist party, Barney's own center right party, the Republicans, 273 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 10: and the far right. So Macron is betting that that 274 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 10: will allow him to do what needs to be done 275 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 10: to get France moving in the right direction. 276 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 2: And he does have a lot to do to form 277 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: a cabinet, to speak to parliament. There's the twenty twenty 278 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 2: five budget. What will his parties be. 279 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 10: The budget is absolutely the number one situation that he 280 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 10: has to deal with. I mean, first he has to 281 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 10: he does have to appoint a cabinet, and that presumably 282 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 10: is going to happen imminently. He doesn't have time to wait. 283 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 10: You know, the budget process has to be sort of 284 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 10: wrapped up in early October. The EU has begun an 285 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 10: excessive deficit procedure against France. So France really needs to 286 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 10: show that it's getting its budget situation under control, and 287 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 10: that is going to be just a real battle because 288 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 10: on the left, you know, the Left coalition, which won 289 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 10: the most seats in parliament, they want a big increase 290 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 10: in spending and you know, Macron's view has been that 291 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 10: that's just not possible. There has to be big budget cuts, 292 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 10: so that's going to be absolutely the number one priority. 293 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: Phil in the parliamentary maths is difficult though, from Michelle 294 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 4: Baruniy no group has a majority in parliament. How is 295 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 4: he going to be able to get laws pasted? Who 296 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: is he going to need to support him? 297 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 10: One thing he'll need is the far right, and you 298 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 10: know it's sort of marine Leapen's National Rally Party has 299 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 10: sort of been toxic, even though they are the third 300 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 10: largest party in parliament. But it's gotten to the point 301 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 10: now where if you want to get legislation passed, there's 302 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 10: going there's going to need to be an understanding with them. 303 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 10: You're going to have to Barney is going to have 304 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 10: to seek their support. And you noticed when he made 305 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 10: his initial comments yesterday he talked of by the issues 306 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 10: that are important to La Pens, such as immigration, so 307 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 10: he's sort of reaching out to them. Between the Centrists 308 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 10: that Macron represents, Barnier's own center right party, and the 309 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 10: far right, presumably there would be enough votes, but there 310 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 10: are a lot of egos at play and a lot 311 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 10: of conflicting conflicting views. So that's really the left seems 312 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 10: to be. 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