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Speaker 1: This episode is presented to you by DraftKings. The Crown

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Speaker 1: is yours. Welcome back to a special dugout edition of

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Speaker 1: All the Smoke we'r out here in Atlanta, Georgia. MLB

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Speaker 1: All Star twenty twenty five and we got someone special.

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Speaker 1: Man fourteen year pro Rookie of the Year, three time

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Speaker 1: All Star, two time World Series Champ, two Timesilver Slugger,

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves Hall of Fame, Congratulations, comeback Player of the Year, Congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety ALCSNVP Man a legend in the space. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, David Justice, my man. Man. Appreciate you, man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming by. The nineties set the tone

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Speaker 1: for the nineties in Atlanta because it was a different time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you almost got to go back five years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, come on right, take us all the way back.

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Speaker 2: I'm drafted in nineteen eighty five the Atlanta Braves in

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Speaker 2: the fourth round. And at this time, the Atlanta Braves

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Speaker 2: was the Walking Matt National League. I was talking to

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Speaker 2: Eric Davis, you know Eric, the Red Eric Davis. He said,

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Speaker 2: they used to come through Atlanta. They know they getting

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Speaker 2: foul hits every night.

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Speaker 1: They gonna ain't going out.

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Speaker 2: They're gonna beat us on and off the field, right

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Speaker 2: which so that's how the league looked at the Braves, like,

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Speaker 2: when you want to get your numbers up, let's go

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Speaker 2: to Atlanta. So I'm drafting an eighty five and at

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Speaker 2: this time I'm in rookie ball. You know, I lead

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Speaker 2: the league at home runs. And so the next year

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Speaker 2: coming in eighty six, and now I start seeing over

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Speaker 2: there with Ron Ghant, there's Mark Limke, Jeff Blauser, oh man,

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Speaker 2: they go Tom Gladden over there. Then we get camp

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Speaker 2: Mrker and here comes Steve Avery. And see what the

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Speaker 2: Braves did is we have this thing called the destructional League.

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Speaker 2: So after a minor league season, because minor league season

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Speaker 2: is only five months, so after a minor league season,

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Speaker 2: there's a thing called instructional league. And a lot of

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Speaker 2: times instruction league is for like some of your top

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Speaker 2: prospects or guys that are moving up. And what the

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Speaker 2: Braves did is they brought us all together down in

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Speaker 2: West Palm Beach, Florida. And now we got a chance

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Speaker 2: to hang with each other, around each other because you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, Matt, that's back in the day when ain't

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Speaker 2: nobody got no money, man, And you know our minor league.

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Speaker 2: Minor league is where you were to get real tight.

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Speaker 2: You know the hotel. You know, we stayed in the

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Speaker 2: hotels where you know when you open the door, you outside.

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Speaker 1: We'll speak to it because I mean I did the

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Speaker 1: minor leagues in the and it was nasty. I mean

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Speaker 1: those are the historic like long bus rides. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: we talked to us about this. We see, we see

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Speaker 1: the like in major league sometimes like we see it,

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Speaker 1: but what is it really like? Because I know that

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Speaker 1: minor league grind is a real ground.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what it's like. So nineteen eighty five,

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Speaker 2: I'm drafted, all right, and I go to Pulaski, Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Never heard of Plaska Virginia. And it's only four brothers

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Speaker 2: on the team. All right, and we make I got

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Speaker 2: my contract. Now I was getting paid. Man, I make

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Speaker 2: seven hundred dollars a month. Well, you can't tell me

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Speaker 2: nothing in nineteen eighty five seven hundred dollars a month,

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Speaker 2: especially with my mama giving me twenty dollars a week

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Speaker 2: to go to college. You give me seven hundred, boy, looking,

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Speaker 2: I'll be good. But I'm getting all kind of McDonald's

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Speaker 2: King and all that. So we go to uh, we

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Speaker 2: go to Pulaski and you know, I see these three

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Speaker 2: other brothers. Ellis Roby out of Arkansas was my roomy,

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Speaker 2: and then we had to do James Nyland who was

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Speaker 2: last name. He was from Chicago, played at Semeon. So

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Speaker 2: we got to go find a place to live. Man.

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Speaker 2: We lived in a two bedroom trailer home. All right,

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Speaker 2: foe brothers two bedrooms, all right. No, we was not

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Speaker 2: we had two couches in the living room. One of

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Speaker 2: them it was the couch by day, my bed at night.

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Speaker 2: So I slept on the couch for two months. Terry

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Speaker 2: The something man shut it down, y'all, So uh yeah, man.

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Speaker 2: and Restless. He throwing Young and Restless hooked.

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Speaker 2: It took about three days and everybody was hooked. So

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Speaker 2: I'm coming from a small school, Thomas Moore College, where

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Speaker 2: like like, oh, so you can play as deep as

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Speaker 2: a bomb. You know, you got to run. I got

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Speaker 2: I was in college. But it was a great experience though,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you right now, because we all got

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Speaker 2: rides you're talking about, Yeah, But like I remember, you

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Speaker 2: it was always it was always a singing like, you know,

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Speaker 2: But was the beauty of it, though, is it really

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Speaker 2: the time we get that once you get the triple A,

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Speaker 2: you drop you can fly now, okay man. By the

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Speaker 2: time I got the Triple A, man, it's we won

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Speaker 2: a triple a Governor's Cup in nineteen eighty nine championship,

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Speaker 2: and that's me, Ronnie Gap, Mark Limke, a guy named

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Speaker 2: into that clubhouse nineteen ninety, I was rookie the year

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Speaker 2: on our last place team. It was only last place

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Speaker 2: about my first year in the big leagues and the

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Speaker 2: Braves just needed to weed out that old negative mentality.

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Speaker 1: That for me, and I think that's a lot of

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Speaker 2: And see our and we had two buses. So the

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Speaker 2: all out talk, you know, talking, jug laughing music. And see.

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Speaker 2: So my introduction to the big leagues nineteen nine was

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Speaker 2: I was seeing the veterans talk. A lot of junk

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Speaker 2: in Houston. We had a picture Joe Babery. Joe baber

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Speaker 2: we just we don't lost the game, right, so we

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Speaker 2: It was quiet a lot on our buses. But he says,

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Speaker 2: tell you what I'll do. I'll tell you what I'll

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Speaker 2: put put in your poem a plane ticket home. Because

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Speaker 2: looking like what So then I got another rookie because

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Speaker 2: I don't and I don't want to. I don't want

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Speaker 2: teary eye one time. And he's my boy man and

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Speaker 2: he wants some world series with me, but they were hard.

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Speaker 1: You see.

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Speaker 2: At one time, we get one of our veterans sitting

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Speaker 2: a busy man white driver so slow, buzzant talking jump.

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Speaker 2: I ain't never seen this before, and I bet you

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Speaker 2: ain't never seen this before in your sport. A bus

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Speaker 2: driver pulled over. He pulled over. I ain't taking this ship.

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Speaker 2: He pulled over, put that back point in park, got

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Speaker 2: One of the old brother too, like he'd been in

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Speaker 2: He got up. He was feeling out that you. He

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Speaker 2: they got our hitting coach, Clarence Jones was right there,

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Speaker 2: Clara Jones and kind of stopped staying my man. You know,

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Speaker 2: he've been drinking with the woo. And the guy was like,

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Speaker 2: all right, man, I'm just saying. He turned around and

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Speaker 2: got back it out as a rookie. This was crazy. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we go into nineteen ninety one, bro, we go from

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Speaker 2: worse to first. I would say ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 2: that negativity was gone and now it was on us

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Speaker 1: Did they bring everybody up? Everyone? Did you guys all

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Speaker 1: come to the big league together?

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Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty nine we won a Governor's Cup. They

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Speaker 2: brought eight of us off of that championship team.

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Speaker 1: Is that rare? It sounds like I.

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Speaker 2: Think it's rare. That's a lot.

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Speaker 2: So Prime Prime was with us, man, I know he

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Speaker 2: Think about it, man, because I used to think about

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Speaker 1: You see, no question still goes on to that young

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Speaker 2: With the Braves. We won in ninety five, win in

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Speaker 2: Here's what life was like for me when I came

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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of attention around me being rookie year,

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00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: and I'm starting to get a lot of focus. Matt.

431
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm on the covers. It's like they

432
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 2: got me on the e Spreme trade. I mean, I'm

433
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 2: everywhere and way more media in my locker. And I

434
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 2: used to always say, you know, I'm representing my family

435
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: named Justice myself personally, and then I'm representing us black people,

436
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 2: black folks. So and I'm in the city with a

437
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 2: lot of black folks. So I literally thought it was

438
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: very important that whenever I could get out into the community,

439
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 2: I did it. So I ended up coaching basketball nine

440
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: after one of my seasons, I stayed in town and

441
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 2: coached a youth basketball team thirteen fourteen year olds. Man,

442
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: time of my life.

443
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 1: Brother.

444
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 2: We played at our brown I think it's called Brown's

445
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: Mill gym over in Decatur and packed we were packing

446
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 2: that stuff. Listen, man, you ain't never seen so many

447
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: people at a youth basketball because David Justice was right

448
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: all mambas, there's a lot of those. Everybody was in

449
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: the gym. It was a great time. So I really

450
00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 2: felt a sense of the importance of getting into the

451
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: community being seen. I thought that was very important, and

452
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the love. I got a lot of love

453
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: here from our community, and I think a lot of

454
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: it was what was due to the fact of I

455
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: would speak out on the issues that a lot of

456
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: our guys would be nervous to speak out on it.

457
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 2: You know. I mean even my own mom would tell me, baby,

458
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: you know you can't fight that battle by yourself. But

459
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: I would say, momy. He just asked me a question,

460
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 2: I just answered it. For instance, I'm in my locker,

461
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: reporter comes to me and goes, hey, David, do you

462
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: think there's racism in baseball? This is nineteen ninety two.

463
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: I think it is. And I sit there for a second.

464
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: I said, well, baseball is a microcosm of society, so therefore,

465
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: if there's racism in society, then there probably could be

466
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: racism in baseball. I said. Back in them time, we

467
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 2: had beepers, right, I said, if you saw a young

468
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: white guy walking down the street with a beeper, you

469
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 2: might think here a young doctor, a lawyer. But if

470
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: you see a brother walking down the street. You might

471
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: hear a drug dealer. Man. They had trade Justice signs

472
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: tap in the stadium Trade Justice. I'm like, man, I'm

473
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 2: just answering the question. But tell me where I'm from.

474
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: Where you tell me where I'm wrong. Just tell me

475
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 2: where I'm wrong and we could talk about it. They

476
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 2: couldn't tell me where I was wrong. They just didn't

477
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: want me to say it. They just didn't want They

478
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: did that, but I didn't. I didn't show up at

479
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: the stadium that day talking about, Hey, man, come over,

480
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: let me just tell you about three system in baseball. No,

481
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: I was just in my locker talking. So, you know, Matt,

482
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: I had to learn. I had a teammate tell me

483
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: you don't always have to answer the question that they ask.

484
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: You.

485
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: See, I'm coming from Cincinnati, like I said, I'm from

486
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: the Midwest, and I'm used to you asking me a question.

487
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to answer the question. I didn't know, so

488
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: I had to learn. And I and I didn't have

489
00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: anyone that kind of brought me in and to show

490
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: me the way. So I'm just stepping on land mines

491
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: as I'm going, you know what I mean. Dale Murphy

492
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: was the icon and I ended up replacing Dale Murphy,

493
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: but he was the icon in Atlanta. But Dale Murphy

494
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 2: never had one conversation with me, and I want the

495
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: same team. The Braves brought me up to play first base.

496
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 2: Matt I played outfield my whole minor leagues. The day

497
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: before I get called up to the big leagues the Braves,

498
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: the Braves, my manager said, David here played first base.

499
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I'm left handed. I pished and played

500
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: first base. He said, but the Braids want you to

501
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: play first base tonight. I mean triple I'm like, all right, cool,

502
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: you know, I get it. I'm kind of excited to

503
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: go over there outfield glove. I ain't got a first

504
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 2: base mit. The next day, the Braves called me up

505
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: to play in the big leagues at first base because

506
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:50,199
Speaker 2: we had Murphy in right field, you know, and so Murph,

507
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: I come. Murph never ever went out of his way

508
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: to give me any nuggets, no information. This guy man,

509
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: and I and the people loved him, and you know,

510
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: we actually loved him to us a big brother. But

511
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: he wasn't the kind of big brother that was taking

512
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: us aside, saying, hey, this is how you come to

513
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: the big league so as a result, I really had

514
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: nobody teaching me to wait. And Matt, Matt playing first

515
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 2: base in the big leagues. Man, you don't even know

516
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: how hard a routine groundball this, brother, I'm at first base,

517
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 2: I mean, were playing the Mets, and uh, Bobbie Cox

518
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 2: bringing infield in right, we in New York. Daryl Strawberry

519
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 2: is up. I don't know if you know straw straw

520
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: six six, you know Swoll the man at the time.

521
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 2: And man, I'm at first base and all I can

522
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: see is a line drive and I'm Bobby Cox. Tell movie,

523
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm moving in. I'm just I'm just doing

524
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: this with my feet. I ain't, Man, have straw hit

525
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: that thing on my head just the first time I

526
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 2: ever said, yeah, I was so happy to hit it

527
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: to me, that thing all back then the seats. But yeah,

528
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: just coming to the big leagues, man, And and in

529
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: those early years, I didn't quite understand how to deal

530
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: with the media. And as a result, man, I took

531
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: a lot of heat my first couple of the years

532
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: because I was just I was way too honest, just

533
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: way too honest. I didn't understand the nuances of how

534
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: to really you know, talk to the media.

535
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: I was just answering the question they ask you the question.

536
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I got the trade Justice signs and

537
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: but you know, though, none of that affected me in

538
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: the clubhouse because again, our team was never thinking about

539
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 2: that stuff. Even the Brains organization. They never came to

540
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 2: me and said, hey, David, you don't keep telling them

541
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: down a little bit. No, they were just like, hey, man,

542
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: you know you one of us. Do what you do

543
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: and keep playing.

544
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: Obviously learning and transitioning. But what was it like having

545
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: personal stuff public, such as relationships and stuff like that.

546
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 1: How hard was that back then? Because again, if there's

547
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: some bullshit out there, you just kind of have to

548
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: go with it because there's no real filter or excuse me,

549
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: op opportunity for you to speak your piece.

550
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: So but I didn't really have any really real personal

551
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: stuff until you know, Holly and I got together, you see,

552
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: And of course that was a lot of focus because

553
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: back in them times, I can't think other than Joe

554
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: Demaja and Marilyn Monroe. I can't think of anybody before

555
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: that was us, you know, I can't think of no one.

556
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: And then how they coming up young and being hot

557
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: and just trying to make her career and then you

558
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: got me, and you know, it really wasn't a lot

559
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: of negative attention until I decided to leave her in

560
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six. You know, I remember how he saying

561
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: to me, you know, hey, she asked me to marry

562
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 2: her after knowing me for five months, and I mean,

563
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: I I said okay, but I because I couldn't say no.

564
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, who's gonna say no at that time?

565
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: You know? And I said okay, But I don't know

566
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: if my heart was really into it, but I just

567
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: I would. I didn't want to make her feel bad

568
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: and say no, you know, or like I was just

569
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: in the moment. It caught me off guard, but I

570
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 2: was like, cool, were getting along, we vibing, you get again.

571
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 2: We only five months in, you know, we're still in

572
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: the honeymoon state. And then all of a sudden that

573
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: followed up. I met Holly May of nineteen ninety two,

574
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: so you're talking about then we got married January first,

575
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, right, But we spent a lot of

576
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: time apart because she was doing movies in this country,

577
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: that country, and we honestly we probably could have made

578
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: it if if I knew about therapy. If we knew

579
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: about therapy, we probably could have made it. Because we

580
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: never had any major issues like that. It's just that I,

581
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: because I was young and had only been in honestly

582
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: one real relationship before her, my knowledge and my understanding,

583
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: my wisdom around relationships just wasn't vast. So I'm looking

584
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: at my mom and I'm a Midwest guy, So in

585
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: my mind, I'm thinking a wife at that time should cook, clean,

586
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: you know. And then I'm thinking, okay, if we have kids,

587
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: you know, is this the woman I want to have

588
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: kids wouldn't build a family with. And at that time,

589
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: as a young guy, she don't cook, don't clean, don't

590
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: really seem like motherly, and then we start having issues. Listen,

591
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: we never had that. Well, I'll say this, we never

592
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: had any issues about other women. The men. I mean,

593
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: like I was never tripping when I was tripping one

594
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: time when she.

595
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, I got one time tripping at one.

596
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: Time because I didn't understand it. When we're out to

597
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: lunch in LA and I remember, for Sisterinnatti, man, I

598
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: ain't even in LA scene like that. And she see

599
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: an actor that she worked with one time and he

600
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: came in, Hey kissed him on lips? Oh what what

601
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: were we doing?

602
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: Was he European or American? I'm sure the fuck is

603
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: going on here?

604
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: Oh so I know this is gonna be a conversation.

605
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: So get home and I ask about that. Oh that's

606
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: what we're do in la Oh okay, okay. Then so

607
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 2: now her manager and I used to go to this

608
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: restaurant all the time. I had a young lady at

609
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: the front seat. This all the time. We went there

610
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: so much. She became so friendly. We we got the

611
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: hugging her every time we coming. Hey, how you doing

612
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 2: this regular hug? Take Halle and his wife to lunch.

613
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: One time, I said, Halle, this is such and such

614
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: as Hallie. Right, Halle looked at that girl, so I

615
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: find she was bet she gave it them. She gave

616
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: one of them, like barely touched the hand, right, just

617
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: played her crazy. I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed. I

618
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: was like, wait, hold on, I just hugged the girl.

619
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: You kiss this dude, and you mad at me because

620
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: I hugged the girl. So but remember we young, we young,

621
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: So you know, young, you get petty. You ain't saying

622
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: you petty when you're young. There's things you just do

623
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: the are petty when you're young. Anyway, the honeymoon stayed

624
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: was over right, and now it's just David and Holley.

625
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: And when it is just David and Holley, I just

626
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: realized this is not the person I want to spend

627
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: the rest of my life with. So February nineteen ninety six,

628
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: I told her I can't do this no more. We

629
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: don't have any kids. You said you wouldn't want any

630
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: money from me if we because really she didn't have

631
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: any money. I was the one who bought the house

632
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: in la I was the one who have my house

633
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 2: in Atlanta. I'm really footing everything. And I said, you know,

634
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: you said you don't want any money, so we don't

635
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: have any kids. We should just make a clean break.

636
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: And she was like no, no, So and then all

637
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I find out I got all these women.

638
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: I find out I'm doing all this other stuff. And

639
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: so what she was doing is see I'm just an athlete.

640
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: I don't have managers. I don't have this system behind me.

641
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: You see, she got managers, she got.

642
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: All this kind of stuff.

643
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: The machine, she got the machine. So you got the machine.

644
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: Now coming against me, and I remember my mom saying

645
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 2: to me. She was like, listen, baby, all the me

646
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: didn't want to do is to see you too, you

647
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: young black black but black kids fighting with each other.

648
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: She said, you just take the high road and let

649
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: her say whatever she wanted to say. But I don't

650
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: want you out here talking bad about that girl. My

651
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: mama said this to me. I'm an only child raised

652
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 2: with just my mom my mom. Well, my mom said

653
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: it was gospel, So I said, OK, I'm not gonna

654
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: I won't sault her like that in public. I might

655
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: talk a lot of junks and boys, but I ain't

656
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: gonna say nothing in public. And I did mad for

657
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: I didn't. I just watched her say all this stuff

658
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: about me, and I was like, and so crazy. Is

659
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 2: the one thing that probably I would say hurt the

660
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 2: most is Hallie had a relationship with a gentleman who

661
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: hit on the side of the head and so she

662
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: lost some hearing. But she never made him public. And

663
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make him public because I ain't gonna

664
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: do him like that. I know who it is. But

665
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: for people to think, oh, it had to be David Justice,

666
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: because the only person they associated her with was me.

667
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: Now she said it was a former boyfriend. I'm not

668
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: a former boyfriend. I was her husband. That's different. But

669
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: literally from ninety six until even today, sometimes I'll see

670
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: some social media, well he hit her in the head,

671
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, that's just a quick Google search.

672
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: Do a quick Google search that groa. He never said

673
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 2: I hit her in the head. But one thing I

674
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: didn't like is but she let you think that. She

675
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: let the world think it. She didn't come out and say,

676
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: oh no, no it wasn't David, but I'm not going

677
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: to say who it was, but it wasn't him. No,

678
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 2: she let the world think that it was me, and

679
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: that I never appreciated with her. I thought she was

680
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 2: dead wrong for that. I thought she should have handled

681
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: that better. And I always said like this, man, if

682
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: I was so bad, you would think she would keep

683
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: my name out of her mouth. She would be so

684
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: happy I left. Right, If I was so bad as

685
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: a husband, she'd be like, whoa, I'm so glad he

686
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: left me. Boy let me because it ain't like it

687
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: was hard for her to find the next dude. Right,

688
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: she kept my name in her mouth because she wanted

689
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 2: to be with me. She wanted, she wanted us to

690
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: work out, you know what I mean. And I know

691
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: now that I've gotten a lot older and I look back,

692
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a long time, a little back

693
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: in that situation. But when I probably got about probably

694
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: like in my thirties, and I was more mature, and

695
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: I look back on that situation and I'm like, no,

696
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: that girl really really did love me, you know. And

697
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: I can see why she would be so mad at me,

698
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: because imagine if you really love somebody and they tell

699
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 2: you they want to break up, and there ain't nothing

700
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: you can say to get them back. That's had to

701
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: be tough on her. I just wasn't emotionally mature at

702
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 2: that age to really truly understand the magnitude of how

703
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: she was really feeling. And I would have did things

704
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 2: different back then too. I wouldn't have just literally when

705
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: I said, when I left her, I didn't even talk

706
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 2: to her no more like that is so that like

707
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 2: I didn't even ease out, Hey, I want to be together,

708
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: no more gone gone. You see, I mean I could have.

709
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: I could have massaged that better, Matt. I could have

710
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: so so back to the point of the focus in

711
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: the media. Probably the best thing that happened to me

712
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: is this was February ninety six when I left her.

713
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 2: I only played six weeks of the season that year.

714
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: I blew my shoulder out, So I saved myself a

715
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: whole year of fans just burying.

716
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: Me because I was going to ask too. I mean, obviously,

717
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: people expect us to be superhuman, and when we go

718
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: through real shit off the field or off the court,

719
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: there's no excuse in our profession. So I was going

720
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: to ask, you did it effect you're playing at all?

721
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: But you didn't.

722
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: Really really Actually, I started out great. I started the

723
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: season great. I wasn't hearing too much junk on the

724
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 2: road yet, but I'm sure it would have heated up,

725
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: you know, and I never the only time that listen.

726
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 2: It became the thing that people would say to me

727
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: on the road. They would always say, you know how

728
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: he left you, or they would say real nasty stuff

729
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: about what they've done with Halle since you know she

730
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 2: left me. You know, people are ignorant in the stands,

731
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: you know. But one of the best ones we were

732
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: playing the Yankees, I mean Cleveland. It's still to this day, man,

733
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: I give Yankee I love the Yankee fans. Y'all played

734
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 2: their great fans, and they are really good at getting

735
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: on the opposing team. I'm at the plate, Matt, and

736
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: the whole stadium is chanting hally beary booty. Organist was

737
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: on HALLI that's the first time I've been to plate. Like,

738
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: how you get everybody.

739
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: Into the stadium to say it that sounds like Yankee fans?

740
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: Huh hey, it was impressive. It was It was impressive,

741
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And Yankee fans. I know

742
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: y'all did that to me back then, but y'all know.

743
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: I love you. What did you do? What did you

744
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: do that game?

745
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: I got out there at bad, I know that much.

746
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: I didn't get a hit that bad. I remember.

747
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Man, take you back Cincinnati.

748
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: What role did the Big Red Machine play in your life?

749
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 1: I know you were a multi sport athlete, but I mean,

750
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: obviously you know Johnny Bench, Pete Rose Moran, Tony Perez.

751
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: How influential were they in this man?

752
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: As a kid going to Cincinnati and I went to

753
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: Catholic school my whole life. They would bring the TV

754
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: into the classroom on opening day so we watch the rids.

755
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: The culture.

756
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: Eight oh, the culture. Everyone loves the Cincinnati Reds. On

757
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 2: bad day, they would give a real bat. We would

758
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 2: go to the stadium on bad day a red bat man.

759
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: About six of us would go to bad day. That's

760
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 2: six bats. Now we got for the whole summer us.

761
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: And then of course we spent all our money and

762
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: had to walk home from the stadium. Were talking about

763
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: ten eleven miles We walked home with our bats from

764
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: downtown Cincinnati. And listen, it was the easiest ten mile

765
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: walk ever, because you know, back in our day, life

766
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: had us in shape, you know, like but so I

767
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: got the opportunity to meet all of them. Johnny Bench

768
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: calls me mister Happy because every time I see him,

769
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: I feel like I I'm nine years old again, Like

770
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. Pete Rose and I had the same birthday,

771
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: so every time it was Pete Rose birthday as mine.

772
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm in school talking, Hey, y'all's my

773
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 2: birthday today?

774
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Me and Pete?

775
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, Me and p say birthday nineteen forty one, that's

776
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: when people was born. I remember that twenty Perez because

777
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: I played first base, so I worn number twenty four

778
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: because on our little league team, like our Segre basement

779
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: were number eight shortstop dating sept On than thirteen, Like

780
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: it was like that. And man, I'm in the big leagues.

781
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety three. The Marlins have just come into the

782
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: league and we go play the Marlins down there and

783
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: I'm standing in dunk house. I look up. I see

784
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: Tony Pereez behind the behind the heating cage, Matt. I

785
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 2: flew over there. Hey, Tony, I'm David Justice. I'm from Cinsinide, Ohio.

786
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: I used to wear your number. I was so excited

787
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: to meet him. May look, even when little kids come

788
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: to me now right when they you can sense how

789
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: much yea. I know he felt it because I could

790
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 2: see it in the smiles.

791
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: Though.

792
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 2: Joe Morgan got to know him. Ninety five World Series.

793
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: Me and Joe Morgan, we are sitting near the weight

794
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: room talking about my approach for the game that night. Yeah,

795
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 2: him telling me, Dave, don't always just take the fasketball

796
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 2: way in here and the left field wait them out sometimes, yes,

797
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: Joe Morgan. Man, Joe Morgan always we always had a

798
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: special relationship because I always show so much love to

799
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 2: the old timers. Man, Like they call it giving them

800
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: the flowers. Now, man, I stayed giving flowers to every

801
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: veteran or older guy when I was a kid that

802
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 2: I met from you know, UH and then like Pete

803
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: Rose Pete. I first met Pete, I told him we

804
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: had the same birthday. Pete always messed with me. And

805
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: then King Grivey Sr. Again he was with the Braves

806
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 2: when I when I was coming through the minor leagues

807
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: for a short period of time. Look, the Big Ram

808
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: Machine meant a lot to us, Brothers and UH and Cincinnati. Heck,

809
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: I was rooting for the Reds when I was in

810
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: the big leagues until I said my rookie year, I

811
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: was still rooting for the red Yes, Man, I wanted

812
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 2: the Rids win every time except when they played us.

813
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: But other than that, I'm checking on the Reds.

814
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: I felt the same thing with the Lakers. That's funny,

815
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

816
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: So the Big Red Machine, Man, they had a big

817
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: impact on me because they played the game the right way.

818
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: They were good, tough, They had that energy in our

819
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: whole city. To this day, they're still in the game

820
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: of baseball. When you say Big Red Machine.

821
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: You know exactly them dudes right there. Yeah, your opinion

822
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: on the PD phase of baseball.

823
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to say that in nineteen eighty

824
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: eight was the first time I ever heard of someone

825
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: taking steroids. But I was in the minor leagues. I

826
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: remember we were like we were in like Huntsville, Alabama,

827
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: and were out and they were talking about the Oakland A's,

828
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, and since Conseco came out, so I can

829
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: at least name drop Conseco, they would say Konseco, and

830
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: then I ain't gonna name drop the other dudes. And

831
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: but that's the first time I had ever heard of it, right,

832
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: And then I get to the big leads. None of

833
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: that was going on in Atlanta. We never had one

834
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 2: conversation about uh taking steroids. Look steroids to me and

835
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: all of us back then, when I thought steroids, I

836
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: thought loud alzato. I thought steroids will kill you, Steroids

837
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: would shrink your package. I don't know any brothers trying

838
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: to shrink their package, and so so steroids is one

839
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: thing we not gonna be doing. That was our limited

840
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 2: knowledge of it, like literally that limited. And then I'm

841
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: with the braids all in ninety six. Never ever, once

842
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: anybody had a conversation about it. But now we got

843
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three, we go play the Phillies, and Phillies

844
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: got some big dudes over there, and I had gotten

845
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: sick and Philly and I went to the doctor on

846
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: the road and the doctor said, IS said to me, A,

847
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: you know, there's guys on Philly's taking steroids. He said

848
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: it to me. I don't know why he said it

849
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: to me. And then he confirmed, he said one of

850
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 2: the guys nuts was shriveled up to yeah, and I didn't.

851
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: I didn't respond. In my mind, I'm thinking, yeah, that's

852
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: why I ain't that. But anyway, and then there's a

853
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: couple of players that All Star Game. You see, like

854
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 2: all the actne on their back. Some of the guys

855
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: that came in the league that we were the same

856
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: size as me. I came to the league. I was

857
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: six three, two three, and then you see the guys

858
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: that came up with me, and all of a sudden,

859
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: now he's six three, two thirty five. You know, we

860
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: don't have enough time and all.

861
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: See in that kind of a season.

862
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 2: Man, we don't have enough time to do that. But here,

863
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: but here's the way we looked at it. In those

864
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: in those early nineties, because we used to have football

865
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 2: players come out and take batting practice. The falcons would

866
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: come out and take batting practice. They can't hit the

867
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: bot the infield if they even made contact. They have

868
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: too many muscles right and do swol. So, so our

869
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 2: limited mindset of it was, man, you can take whatever

870
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: you want to take. It ain't gonna help you hit

871
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: them all. It's not gonna help you hit it. So

872
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: all you're doing is messing around with your life, the

873
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 2: longevity of your life. And but there was it was

874
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 2: never really a big topic ninety seven when I go

875
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: to Cleveland, Nope, never a topic. It wasn't until I

876
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: went to the Yankees in two thousand when Magnami who

877
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 2: was claiming to be doctor Magnamie. He was the first

878
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: guy that you know, I'm there a week and he

879
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: come in a DJ. What you're taking? And I thought

880
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: this dude was talking about some bitemines style.

881
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: What you're taking.

882
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you mean? He said, what do

883
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: you Because at that time my wrist was hurt and

884
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 2: I'd hurt my wrists and I was playing with a

885
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 2: sports hernia. I ended up having surgery a Hernia Surger

886
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: up the season two thousand and three won the World Series,

887
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 2: and he said, well, if you take this HGH, it'll

888
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: help you, he said, doctors prescribe it. It'll help you

889
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 2: with your injuries. And I asked him, is it steroids?

890
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: He goes, no, it's AHGH, your human growth hormone. So

891
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, cool, I ain't gonna put in

892
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: my locker, in puts in my locker. I go to

893
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: my locker. I look, it's needles. I don't know. My

894
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 2: mama had to hold my hand when I got shot.

895
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 2: To the doctor, you're gonna you want me to shoot

896
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 2: myself with that? Man gonna take nine. I can't do this, bro.

897
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: So I but or I'm telling you, if it was

898
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: if it was an a vitamin feel like that, man,

899
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 2: I'd have been at I'd have been taking something because

900
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: I thought it was okay. This is the New York Yankees.

901
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: This is the New York Yankees. You know, you figure

902
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: they hire nothing but the best. I mean, that was

903
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 2: my mentality. And here is doctor Magnumie telling me that

904
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: this is okay. So I'm like, all right then, But

905
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 2: if it had been a pill formed, I'd have been

906
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: taken it. I would have been, but the teams I

907
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: played on it just wasn't prevalent to the levels that

908
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: Cansiko Hoosey Jose said it was fifty percent of the

909
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: guys sixty that's what Jose said. I wasn't around them

910
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: dudes that it must you know. I wasn't around nobody

911
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: talking about it like that. So maybe it could have

912
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: been a lot of guys, but they wasn't. They weren't

913
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: on Front Street with it. They weren't saying nothing about it.

914
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Obviously you can't speak for others, But what was your

915
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: stance about Obviously you guys knowing it was happening, and

916
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: you probably knew some of the guys that were doing

917
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: and what was your stance with that as far as

918
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: it's okay, hey we know so and so it's doing it.

919
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 2: The stance was, it ain't gonna help you be a

920
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: better hitter. Literally, it was literally just that simple, take

921
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: what you want. It ain't gonna make you help you

922
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 2: be a better hitter.

923
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: So you don't see I mean, so, so is it

924
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: fair to say like you don't have any anything? Would you?

925
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be someone that said, like, well, guys that

926
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: did that shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame like

927
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: that was that was that ever your game?

928
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: So the reason that is a tough one because AH

929
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: and Star Wars is different. Now here's what I what

930
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: I think about HGH. The thing with AH is your.

931
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: Recovery, yes, which is important in your.

932
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: Sport, which is huge in my sport. So let's say

933
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: you play one hundred and sixty two games. Let's say

934
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: you can you play one hundred games at your a

935
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: game or where I'm saying you feel in good energy,

936
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: your energy level is great. Say you play one hundred games.

937
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: If HGH can allow you to play one hundred and

938
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 2: thirty games at your at your highest level, that's big,

939
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 2: that's big, and now it would be considered an advantage. Right,

940
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 2: But then you got we had Greenies were part of

941
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 2: our game too, Greenee.

942
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: Explained with Greenee because I mean, I don't really I

943
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: heard of them. But is it energy? Is it? Is

944
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 1: it stem? Like? What is it? Greenie?

945
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: So I took my first Greenie in my last year

946
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: in the big leagues. I was thirty six, playing on

947
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: the West Coast with Oakland, and we had those day

948
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 2: games and I just can't get loose until noon. But

949
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 2: we on the field at one o'clock game, I can't

950
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: get loose till noon, and we don't field at ten.

951
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know, let me try this. So, yeah,

952
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: it's just supposed to give you some energy. But there

953
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: were teams that had, like I mean, like, the biggest

954
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 2: thing is a jar of greenies sitting right there. I

955
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: did an interview. I was talking to a reporter. We talking,

956
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: interview me, right, he walking with me. I walk over

957
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 2: to the coffee, take a green pop it open into

958
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: my black coffee, black coffee, drink it while we talking.

959
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 2: He didn't think none of it. Yeah, it was it

960
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: was just that normal. It was just that normal. Nobody

961
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: saw greenies as any.

962
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 1: So they almost like a caffeine pill.

963
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, nobody saw anything more than that. So when

964
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: you talk about yeah, like I said, so I understand

965
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 2: the perspective of guys that took a jag and steroish

966
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: and I being in the babies, because I do believe

967
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: it absolutely gave guys an advantage that made them in

968
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 2: their recovery, that made them be able to play more

969
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: of their their best baseball on a daily basis. And

970
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: you got all these guys like my man Fred McGriff,

971
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: crime Dog, had to wait a hundred years, it seemed like,

972
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: to get in the Hall of Fame, who didn't do

973
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: any of that stuff. All he did was bang every year,

974
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: you see. So the guys who who were really good

975
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 2: players that didn't touch all that, that have been held

976
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: out of the game, those guys I feel worse four

977
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: you know, because shoot, had they done it, do you

978
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: know what I mean, ain't no telling what their numbers

979
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: would have been to So I don't really get caught

980
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: up in it, be honest with you, because there's already

981
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: guys in the Hall of Fame that we know used it.

982
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna name drop them. But then there they know,

983
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: and see all of us baseball players know it too.

984
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: I you know what you know?

985
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: Just like you see what I mean?

986
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: Uh, is there any truth that you hooped in college

987
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: and didn't play baseball? Oh yeah, yeah, talk to me

988
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: about that.

989
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: So. So, as a kid going up in Cincinnati, and

990
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: at my time, we played three sports baseball, basketball, football,

991
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: basketball my number one sport man, then football, then baseball.

992
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm good at all three. So and everybody plays baseball

993
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: as a kid in Cincinnati. So I played summer league

994
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: baseball my whole life, from age probably eight all the

995
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,879
Speaker 2: way up. There were times in which I could have

996
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: literally stopped playing baseball, but didn't because coach called me

997
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: because you had to come pick me up because I'm

998
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: Risally just my mom and we don't have a car.

999
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: So if you want me to play for you, you got

1000
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: to come get me, right, which coaches did, And so

1001
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm playing baseball. I go to college, so a lot

1002
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 2: of people don't know. I was twelve my freshman year

1003
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 2: in high school. Oh, I never went to twelve. I

1004
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: was fifteen my senior in high school. I never drove

1005
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: in high school. I got my license one month before

1006
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: I went to college. So I graduated high school in

1007
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two. I should have been nineteen eighty four.

1008
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: I get my life since in July of eighty two.

1009
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: I go to college August of eighty two, so and

1010
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: I'm fifteen years old. I go to Coventon Latin High

1011
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: School on scholarship. My school is ninety nine percent white.

1012
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: This is we're doing for winning debates and speeches. If

1013
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: you're an athlete, you don't go to Coventon Latin back

1014
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: in those days, and we were ties every day. It's

1015
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: all boys. One of the best education you could possibly

1016
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 2: get in our area. This is where all the rich

1017
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 2: people send their kids, you know, the future doctors, lawyers,

1018
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: everything in the area. We had two black guys in

1019
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: the whole school, me being one of the two. My

1020
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: freshman year. It was me and then we had Bradley

1021
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: Jackson who became a doctor. He was a junior still today,

1022
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: my man. But so I go to Covington Latin and

1023
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 2: by Matt, I don't even play high school baseball. I'm

1024
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: just a basketball player in high school. By the time

1025
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: I graduated, I graduated is the all time even score

1026
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 2: in our school history. I think my record still for

1027
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: like thirty years.

1028
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 1: Twenty six points a game, six and a half, okay,

1029
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: excuse me, point five point five yeah, and I.

1030
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: A six point two assists.

1031
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: I think the game too, so that all around.

1032
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: But but listen, I never saw a shot I didn't like. So,

1033
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 2: I mean, we were and you know, we would going

1034
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: to these these these schools and they would call us

1035
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: Justice and Company. Like Matt Man I was. I felt

1036
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: big time in high school. I walk in the gym

1037
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: and they be whispering, they go, they go right, come in.

1038
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: Everybody know I'm averaging twenty six and a half, so

1039
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 2: you know I'm gonna be the ones ony man. But

1040
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 2: I was unstoppable, and I'm before to three if we

1041
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 2: had the three when I played, I'm averaging forty Because

1042
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: you don't even know how many jump shots I shot

1043
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 2: from on top of the key.

1044
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: Who could compare your game to anyone in the history

1045
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: of the NBA. Don't give me no bullshit, no, be

1046
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: for real, all right.

1047
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: I used to go to the hole so like, because

1048
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up in the hoods, so you know,

1049
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: we you know, especially game point, you know, because if

1050
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 2: you lose you off.

1051
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: The court, you might have to wait.

1052
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, So I used to go to the rack

1053
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 2: a lot, like I would go to the line some nights,

1054
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 2: Like my highest game, I had forty four points, I

1055
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: went to the I went to the free throw line

1056
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 2: sixteen times that night. One night, I went to the

1057
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 2: three throw line twenty five times. So my game, let

1058
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: me think, I'm I'm left handed, So I go to

1059
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: the hole. If you hit me, I had great hang time, Matt,

1060
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 2: like you could hit me, and then I'm gonna finish

1061
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 2: because I'm used to doing that growing up. So my

1062
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 2: game was like, I'm thinking of a lefty. I can't.

1063
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 2: I would say I'm broke down d rows. I'm broke

1064
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: down d rows. Not as fast, but I'm elusive, not

1065
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: as great as hang time, but I had hanged up

1066
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 2: there you see to me, and I could jump, but

1067
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 2: I can't jump as high. But I'm a left handed

1068
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: in the rim version of him around the hole.

1069
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 1: I like that.

1070
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: So anyway, the only school would give me a full

1071
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: ride was Thomas Moore College. So I'm like, the only

1072
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: way I'm going to college is on scholarship. So Thomas

1073
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 2: Moore comes in and says, we'll give you a full ride.

1074
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: I'm on my way to Thomas Moore at Crestview Hills

1075
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: for basketball basketball only. I go to Thomas Moore. I

1076
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: read shirt my first year because I'm only sixteen years old, right.

1077
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: I come out my second year and first day at

1078
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: conditioning school just started. So first day of conditioning, I

1079
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 2: think one of our seniors was like, hey, we're going

1080
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 2: to start doing this running. You know, get in shape. Man.

1081
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: We run. They like, point to a mountain, man. I

1082
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 2: come in last place, holding my side it's hot and humid,

1083
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: and I look over the hill and the baseball team

1084
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 2: was practicing, and I was like, well, you know, I

1085
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: played baseball, and you know there's a kid growing up.

1086
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: If I played baseball, I can get out of this

1087
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: running for basketball.

1088
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: That's how it happened.

1089
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: I gloved the spikes, came back the next day, and

1090
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 2: went out for the baseball team. I was seventeen. I

1091
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,720
Speaker 2: made a baseball team. So now they're doing that unnecessary running.

1092
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: I'm over here playing. So now I got to play

1093
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: spring baseball. Don't so I played fall baseball and then

1094
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: segue right into basketball. But now I don't miss on games.

1095
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: We go right. But now we're in a gym practicing,

1096
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: so I can run all day in the gym, but

1097
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: don't ask me to.

1098
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: Run across country.

1099
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 2: So now I play basketball, and then I got to

1100
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: play spring baseball. And I'm doing well in college. But

1101
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: I'm in a small school. Man. Our school is so small.

1102
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: We only had like two guys on the team. I

1103
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: think getting scholarships. Everybody else will walk ons. But for

1104
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 2: some reason, we just happen to have a good team

1105
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 2: when I was there. Come back the next year. Matt

1106
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 2: now I'm eighteen. This is my third year. Now I'm

1107
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: draft eligible. Come back my third year. I'm a redshirt sophomore.

1108
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: Now I'm six three one ninety and I can throw.

1109
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 2: I'm eighteen. Now I can throw, I can run. We

1110
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: go play Xaver University Division one in Cincinnati. My first

1111
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 2: at bat, I hit a bomb over the right field,

1112
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,479
Speaker 2: like the sports complex over there. They bring a left

1113
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 2: in the face with basis low the first pitch he

1114
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: thrown me, I shoot him up out of there. In

1115
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 2: the stands of the Atlanta Braiders got help. Crownin sees me,

1116
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: who the heck is this kid? Looks at the book.

1117
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: Age don't match the years in school. They tell him,

1118
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 2: oh no, that's David Justice Young right. Then he looks

1119
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: at me, says he would later tell me. He said,

1120
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 2: I ain't telling nobody about you, right, make him a

1121
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 2: long story short. The Braves draft me. This is like

1122
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: February March of nineteen eighty five. This is happening man

1123
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: June of nineteen eighty five. The Braves draft me in

1124
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: the fourth round of the thirty picks they took that year.

1125
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 2: Only two of us made it to the big leagues.

1126
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 2: Me and Tommy Green out of White Feld in North Carolina.

1127
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: This whole time, I'm going to college to just trade

1128
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 2: my basketball because I'm not even thinking of the NBA

1129
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 2: because I don't think I'm that good. But I got

1130
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: a scholarship. I'm gonna trade this basketball for a degree

1131
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: majoring in criminal justice and psychology. I wanted to go

1132
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 2: into the FBI and in forensics. I always liked that,

1133
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: or or I want to be like Jody Foster from

1134
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 2: the Silence of the Lamps, you know what I mean.

1135
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: And they're talking to Hannibal lecture. That's how I saw myself.

1136
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: And then I get drafted and I got to tell

1137
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 2: you about the lab. What would be my last double

1138
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 2: header of my college career. I'm in the dorms and

1139
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 2: I'm about to go to go down to the field,

1140
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: and I remember the tennis guys was at the end

1141
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 2: of the hall. It was like DJ y'all about to play.

1142
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, we're playing right now, and they were like, hey,

1143
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: we're coming, We're coming. So they started throwing all these

1144
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: beers and the cooler the tennis guys, it's four of them.

1145
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 2: So we walk over the hill to the field and

1146
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 2: as I walk over the hill. I think we're playing

1147
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 2: Kentucky Kentucky State that day, and I see a bunch

1148
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: of cars up the street right. I'm like, Mann, Tucky's

1149
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: tak They got a big following because we only get

1150
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 2: like twelve people at our college games. I'm serious, eleven

1151
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: parents and one girlfriend. Really, nobody came to our games

1152
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: in college, especially at home. And so I see so

1153
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 2: I get there. As I cross the street, some of

1154
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: the fellas like DJ. I'm like what they like? Man,

1155
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: look at all them scouts. Word had got out that

1156
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: there was a kid at Thomas Moore College that they

1157
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 2: needed to see. So I look up and I see

1158
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 2: all these people staring at me. I'm like, man, So

1159
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 2: my first at bat I strike out that it's a doubleheader.

1160
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: I think it was my fourth strikeout of the season.

1161
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: I proceeded to go six for my next eight with

1162
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: four triples. You already nobody had four triples because we

1163
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: didn't have a whole run fence.

1164
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: I've been home, mom.

1165
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get all the way around inside the park,

1166
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: stopping at third and the brave Scout. He was a

1167
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame scout. Paul Snyder even tells this story

1168
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 2: he's sitting out on the hill. They're watching the game.

1169
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: Yep.

1170
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: And I had a great game. Still didn't think ID

1171
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 2: to get drafted because I'm at this really small in

1172
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 2: school and the Braves took me. And still to this day,

1173
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 2: no player has ever been drafted out of Thomas More College.

1174
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 2: Still to this day, the.

1175
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: Rest is history. Yeah, quickly, Glavin smolts In Maddocks their greatness.

1176
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: What was it like knowing that you have pictures?

1177
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, Glavin Maddox, Smokes and Steve Avery Avery. See,

1178
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: people don't give Steve Avery the love that he deserves.

1179
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: But I told him every time about him, I'm gonna

1180
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 2: bring him up. Steve Avery was a great, as great

1181
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 2: as any any one of those guys. And you know

1182
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 2: we were coming up with the Braves. That was just

1183
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 2: Glass Smoke, See and and Ave and mad Dog. They pictures.

1184
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 2: Pictures don't carry no weight in the locker room. They

1185
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 2: pitched every fifth day. So they just them dudes that

1186
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 2: everyday players are the leaders. Every day player. When we

1187
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 2: get up to have a speech, they sitting over there.

1188
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 2: They're not talking, but watching them dudes do their thing. Man,

1189
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Smokes, if I had to win one game,

1190
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 2: and I could pick any of them. I'm going with Smozy.

1191
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm going with Smozy, you know what I mean. Glass

1192
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 2: and Maddix is a monster man. Madix is no joke.

1193
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: But Maddix didn't win Game five. We could have won

1194
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 2: Game five in Cleveland. Cleveland, we just Game five. Maddix

1195
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 2: pished that game. We needed Glivin at home to win

1196
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 2: it for us. They were They were fun to watch.

1197
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: You didn't even realize you were watching greatness because that's

1198
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 2: all in the moment. That's Glab, matt Ex, SMOs In a.

1199
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: They gonna keep us close or they're gonna shut the

1200
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 2: other team down. We need to get one, two, maybe

1201
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: three runs. Usually we get three runs. It's a rap,

1202
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 2: so it's a rap. The only one we really felt

1203
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: like we might need to score runs with some of

1204
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: users glaving. We always felt I don't know, and don't

1205
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: ask me why. We just had that. It was a

1206
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: consensus amongst us hitters like we got to score for Glavin,

1207
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 2: but Maddock's most avery. We didn't. We didn't just get

1208
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 2: one or two. I think we're gonna close this out.

1209
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: But those guys, man, they were great. They were great teammates. Man,

1210
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 2: They're all very different, you know, but they had such

1211
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: a great camaraderie amongst themselves. I think they fed off

1212
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 2: each other, and each one of them wanted to be

1213
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: better hitters than the other. That was the one thing

1214
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 2: they used to Boy, look here, they used to brag

1215
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: about who was a better hitter. They took pride in

1216
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 2: their hit There was times in which man, we might

1217
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: have four hits. Gladman got two of them, Glamn got

1218
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 2: two of them. So that was fun to watch as

1219
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 2: a teammate, watch the dynamic of them always talking about

1220
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: who was a better hitter. But they were great, great,

1221
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 2: great pitchers, and I didn't appreciate their greatness really until

1222
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 2: I left them. Until I went to a team that

1223
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 2: we didn't have as great a pitching as what I've

1224
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:02,919
Speaker 2: been used to. That's when I really appreciated them.

1225
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 1: Clutch is a big word in sports, and you were

1226
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: always known as someone who was clutch. You had a

1227
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: storybook moment in Game six of the ninety five World

1228
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: Series the day before you called at your fans, I

1229
01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 1: want you to take a look at this.

1230
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah yah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you want me

1231
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 3: to look at it? First, or talk over it. Okay,

1232
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 3: we're talking over that. First pitch was the ball outside.

1233
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 3: That's why my face was like man's side. It's a

1234
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 3: bumble right now.

1235
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 2: We never faced this guy. I don't face them because

1236
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: we don't do interleague yet. But I'm on the fastball.

1237
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: In the bottom of the fifth inning, he struck out

1238
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: Fred McGriff on three curve balls in a row. All

1239
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: three curveballs would have been balls. So I lead off

1240
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: the bottom of the six and I'm telling myself, I'm

1241
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: not swinging at no curveballs until two strikes. I'm gonna

1242
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: give it to him because I don't think he throws

1243
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 2: them for strikes. I'm gonna stay on the fastball until

1244
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 2: two strikes. So the first pitch was away, second pitch away,

1245
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 2: third pitch, which is one in one curveball. It's a

1246
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: great curveball. Time to throw a curveball. But I said, nope,

1247
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: if he throws a curveball for a strike, I'm gonna

1248
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: give it to him. I'm gonna stay on the fastball.

1249
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 2: He meant to throw fastball away. He threw it in

1250
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: middle end and like Jimmy, we just say I quick

1251
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: snatched him and as soon as I hit it, I

1252
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: knew it was gone. So as I'm rounding the bases

1253
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: right because people don't realize the amount of pressure that

1254
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: I was under that day, because the day before or

1255
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: Hersheizer had said, all the pressure is on the Atlanta Braves,

1256
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of pressure on We'd already

1257
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 2: lost two World Series and they were already talking about

1258
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: us being there the Buffalo bills and baseball such or

1259
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: something you did not want attached to you, right, so so,

1260
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 2: and I mean there was a lot of pressure.

1261
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 4: So when Herschelizer said that, I was like what And

1262
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,840
Speaker 4: I don't like pictures. So I'm like, man, you tell

1263
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 4: or Herscheizer, I said after him, and if you won't song,

1264
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 4: come get some.

1265
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: Then the another media guy, they know how to turn

1266
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: up my buddies, that's the thing. They know.

1267
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: I can get emotional quick.

1268
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 2: So uh another guy said, well, well, Omar pis Kell

1269
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: said the Braves can't win a World Series, They've already

1270
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 2: lost two. Bruh. I'm like what they talking like that?

1271
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 2: So then something in me was like and I fans

1272
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: they need to they need to rally around us like

1273
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 2: Cleveland fans because Cleveland fans are some of the best

1274
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: fans I went to go play in Cleveland. I'll tell

1275
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 2: you some of the best fans you'll ever find in

1276
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: all the sports. They rode with us in Cleveland, and

1277
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: they were riding for their team in ninety five. It

1278
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: was like a European soccer match. Energy. They on, they

1279
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: on their feet right and and so I felt that energy.

1280
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: Our fans had been so used to us being in

1281
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: the playoffs oil they were a little spoiled. Was like

1282
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 2: a tennis match. They only gonna celebrate when when we

1283
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: do something good. So all, and then I threw in

1284
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 2: the comment about, hey, if we don't win, they're gonna

1285
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 2: burn our houses down. You know, I'm just kidding, right,

1286
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: I admitted to heart. Anyway, I woke up, y'all man

1287
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 2: to the headlines Justice slams braids fans. Now I'm at

1288
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 2: the yard. We come out before the game to get loose.

1289
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 2: They boo me when I come out to the dugout when

1290
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 2: they announced the lineup, booze again. I'm at home game

1291
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 2: six and we got the pressure was unbelievable. But as

1292
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: I walk up my first sat back and own that circle,

1293
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 2: I'm like on one knee on a knee right, and

1294
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, God, you have put me in a lot

1295
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: of tough positions and you have always brought me out

1296
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 2: of one. Please bring me out of this one. That's

1297
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 2: literally what I said now, batting number twenty three right

1298
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: fielder David Justice. As I get up to walk to

1299
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: the plate, I hear the booze, but I also hear

1300
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: the cheer, some cheers, and I'm like, I'm gonna play

1301
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 2: for them people right there. I just had this moment

1302
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 2: with my boy Ryan Cameron, who's huge in town. B

1303
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 2: one O three leg I think hot whatever he was

1304
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 2: he was at back then, but he had a sign.

1305
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 2: He was fully with his braves jersey that had. He

1306
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 2: had a big old sign he made for me Justice,

1307
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 2: You're our man, right. And as I'm walking to the plate, man,

1308
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: I just put this smile on my face, kind of

1309
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 2: like a like a calmness, and I went to go play.

1310
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 2: First at bat, I walked, second at bat, I hit

1311
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 2: a dull one to left centerfield gap, and then here

1312
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 2: comes that third at bat. And I told you my

1313
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 2: mindset was we always got a game plan. I'm gonna

1314
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 2: stay on the fastball of two strikes. I got to

1315
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 2: see his herdball for a strike first, because Freddy had

1316
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: swung at three of them, they were in the dirt.

1317
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 2: He might not be the type of dude that those

1318
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: curveballs strikes that one one count. When I stepped out,

1319
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 2: I said, this right here is the time he's gonna

1320
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 2: throw me my curveball. It's gonna be right now. I'm

1321
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: gonna give it to him. If it's a strike, I'll

1322
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,759
Speaker 2: give it to him because now I have a reference

1323
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 2: point of what it looks like. And he went with

1324
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: the fastball again, and I got him as soon as

1325
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: I hit it. I knew I got him. As I'm

1326
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 2: round the second right, I'm coming to a third and

1327
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: I can see the fans and of course this pandemonium

1328
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 2: in the stadium. And when I get the home plate,

1329
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 2: you see I go yeah. And I will tell you

1330
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: in my head if you had them little subtitle them

1331
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 2: cartoons and get what you think of I was like, yeah,

1332
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 2: all of y'all, that's literally how I felt. The ones

1333
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 2: that were boring before, not the ones that was clapping.

1334
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: That's how my energy was. And then I thought, okay,

1335
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 2: we're about to blow him out now, because you know

1336
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: what I mean, we done, got to run. We're gonna

1337
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: loosen up. Man. It's the top of the ninth inning

1338
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting in the right field. The score is

1339
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: one or nothing. I'm back to praying, God, don't do

1340
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: it like this, God, don't come on, God. We got

1341
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 2: to get this one. Kenny loft In leading off, fastest

1342
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 2: dude in the American League. If he get on first base,

1343
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 2: hes gonna be on third base, and a couple of pitches,

1344
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,519
Speaker 2: they gonna tie it up. That's all I'm thinking. When

1345
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: Kenny often popped up to our shortstop and fouled territory,

1346
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 2: I said, oh, we about to win this thing. Win it.

1347
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: And then when Carlos Barrager hit that ball in the

1348
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: left center field when he first hit it, I leaned

1349
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: back because I thought I thought he got it real good.

1350
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 2: And then I saw Marquis Grissom make the turn and

1351
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: caught it. Man, let me tell you something, finally, if

1352
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 2: people that have won World Series or NBA Championships, whatever,

1353
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 2: that feeling to be in the last team standing, because

1354
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 2: you know what you go through from the beginning to

1355
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 2: the end, the ups and downs of the season, the injuries,

1356
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 2: the negativity around the team, all of that and to

1357
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,840
Speaker 2: be the last last team standing finally, and then to

1358
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 2: bring in the first championship to Atlanta, Man, I'm telling you.

1359
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: And then we was in one twelve right afterwards, cracking.

1360
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 2: Swear to god, that's where we celebrated. We celebrated one twelve.

1361
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,879
Speaker 2: We didn't go to Buckhead. You could even walk in Buckhead.

1362
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 2: We were all the brothers. Well, I used to have

1363
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 2: a picture. I don't know what happened to it of

1364
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 2: all of us. They took all of us sitting at

1365
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: a big giant table at one twelve. That helps celebrating went.

1366
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:36,799
Speaker 2: We took the party of our party to one twelve

1367
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,520
Speaker 2: with the peoples.

1368
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: So ninety five champs. You get back there one more

1369
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: time the following year and you guys lose to the Yankees.

1370
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: You're traded, but you also get comeback player of the Year.

1371
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 1: In ninety seven, you're actually playing with Kenny Lofton. Tell

1372
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: us a little bit about Manny River is Jim Towman,

1373
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: what was that year like?

1374
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 2: So so in nineteen ninety seven spring training, I'm coming

1375
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: back because I only played six weeks in ninety six

1376
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 2: I had hurt my shoulder and a week before the

1377
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 2: regular season was to start. There was like a rumor

1378
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 2: that David Justice or Fred McGriff will be traded. It's

1379
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 2: going to get traded. And crime Dog is quiet, you know,

1380
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 2: real quiet. So I said, I said, Doc, I'll go

1381
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 2: ask shore Holds. So I went to Sholls. I said, hey,

1382
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, am I being traded? And he looked in

1383
01:12:29,400 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 2: my face and he said, David, I bet my house

1384
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 2: and my family that you won't be traded. I came

1385
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 2: out in the clubhouse. I was like, hey, fellas, I'm here.

1386
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 2: I'm kind of looking at it. Freddy, I like, I'm here,

1387
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 2: right man. A week later I walk in and I

1388
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: remember Ned Jos met me in the room. He said, hey, David,

1389
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: Bobby want to see you. Bobby never wants to see me,

1390
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 2: you know, because I don't miss curfew.

1391
01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:56,240
Speaker 1: I don't do nothing like that.

1392
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: I'm always on time. So my Bobby want to see me.

1393
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,000
Speaker 2: And when I walk in, I see Clarence Jones are

1394
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 2: hitting coach, I see Bobby, I see Sholes, and then

1395
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 2: Schorls goes, hey, David, remember a week ago when I

1396
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 2: told you and I stopped him. I stopped him. I said,

1397
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,600
Speaker 2: where am I going? He said, going to Cleveland. But

1398
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:21,200
Speaker 2: you're not going alone, he said. I said, he said, Marquise,

1399
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 2: Christmas going with you. And immediately I went from hot

1400
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 2: feeling how I felt to Marquis because Marquis was from Atlanta,

1401
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: born and raised here, sixteen brothers and sisters, something like that,

1402
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 2: and all I thought was, oh, man, y'all, y'all send

1403
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 2: him my boy Marquise too. But Marquise was my best friend,

1404
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 2: owned the team, that was my man. So at least

1405
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 2: I'm going.

1406
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: With the way. So traded for Kenny Lofton and.

1407
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 2: I was traded for Alan Embry. Marquis was traded for

1408
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: Keny Lofton, two all star center fielders. So Marquis waits.

1409
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 2: We get three days to report. I went the next day. Man,

1410
01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:00,839
Speaker 2: I went into the locker room, and it was filtering

1411
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:03,680
Speaker 2: around that I have been traded. Guys are coming up

1412
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 2: to me. They can't believe it, they can't believe it.

1413
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,639
Speaker 2: They hugging me, and I started almost getting teary eyed.

1414
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: And so because I only wanted to ever play for

1415
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:13,439
Speaker 2: the Brakes, that was it. So I get out of

1416
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 2: the locker room and I'm out. I go join go,

1417
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 2: I go join Cleveland. The next day and I tell

1418
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 2: this funny story. Oh, by the way, sure holds his

1419
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 2: family and house. He's got a nice house and his

1420
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 2: family now lives with me.

1421
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: Put it all on there, right.

1422
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 2: But I show up in to the game and I

1423
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: think the first end we're up like five to nothing,

1424
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 2: like find nothing first in and I'm like, oh, man,

1425
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 2: we can hit man. Top of the second it's five

1426
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 2: to five. The game took three hours. I called Marquise

1427
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 2: after the game. I said, Marquees, we're gonna have to

1428
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 2: get in shape in the American League because I'm used

1429
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 2: to playing two hour games with our pitching staff. And

1430
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 2: I go to Cleveland and I never realized how great

1431
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 2: a city, how great a and base Cleveland had. Man,

1432
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it. So Markquisa and I go to Cleveland.

1433
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 2: I had one of my best years. I finished third

1434
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 2: in the league and hitting Matt first year in the

1435
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 2: American League, I get voted into All Star Game by

1436
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: their fans, by the American League fans, I got voted in.

1437
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: I was Comeback Player of the Year. We go to

1438
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 2: the World Series. We lose in seven though to the

1439
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: Florida Marlins, and you know it was over. My time

1440
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 2: in Atlanta was over and now now I'm an Indian

1441
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: and it was some of the best time in my

1442
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 2: life playing with Cleveland brother before I went to the Yankees.

1443
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: People want you to get into that.

1444
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: What about man What was Manny Like?

1445
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so I go to Cleveland. Man Manny

1446
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: Mary still to this day is the baddest right handed

1447
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 2: hitter I've ever played with. Oh my god, it can

1448
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 2: be this easy. Man, his outs were hard. But one

1449
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: thing I'd give many a lot of credit for. The

1450
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 2: people don't understand is Manny was usually one of the

1451
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: first guys at the stadium and he in the cage

1452
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 2: working on his game. He's in there where he would

1453
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 2: take one of the clubhouse guys, or he'd had a

1454
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 2: pitching machine on breaking balls.

1455
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: Damn.

1456
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: And let me tell you something, Manny that. And Manny

1457
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 2: was the one guy I say I played with who

1458
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 2: had he was ego less. I've never seen a guy

1459
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 2: literally no ego, Like like we're on plane one time

1460
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: and Manny sitting across from me, and I mean, god,

1461
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 2: I just love watching many hit. I go, Manny, were

1462
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: you good in high school? He called me Daby, I said,

1463
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 2: man you're good in high school because I had baby.

1464
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 2: I was all right, so I'm thinking, oh, it's late

1465
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 2: bloomber then right, Manny was player of the Year in

1466
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 2: New York. Not only that, we got his baseball car.

1467
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: Look at his high school numbers. Man he had Nintendo numbers.

1468
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 2: Man like seventeen home runs and he had crazy numbers.

1469
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 2: But when you asked he was, he good. You know,

1470
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 2: most dudes when you as about basketball. He talked to

1471
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 2: some junk, right, most dudes and you asking when they good,

1472
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 2: They're like, oh what what? Man Mandy was like, I'm

1473
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: just all right. But Manny, Man I seen Manny. We

1474
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 2: had a game one time playing Toronto. Pat Heinkin was

1475
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 2: one of Toronto's best pictures. He threw Manny a fastball

1476
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 2: up here under his chin. I mean, Manny was deep

1477
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 2: on his back. Helmet might have fell off right. The

1478
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 2: next pitch, he flipped Manny a curveball. Many hit that

1479
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 2: thing straight away center field, off the facing of the

1480
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: press spots. I'm boom, it was coming back toward the infield.

1481
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 2: That's already hit it. Because it's after of course, our

1482
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 2: whole dug out erupted talking jump. But Manny did miraculous things. Oh,

1483
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 2: we had a home run hitting contest for service, call

1484
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 2: it for service. So like, if I win, you lose, Matt,

1485
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: you know, I want my peanut butter and jelly soundwich

1486
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: drink in my locker.

1487
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: Right.

1488
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 2: So my group was me, Jim, Tony, and Manny. So

1489
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 2: I'm left handed, Jim Tomy's left handed, Manny's right handed.

1490
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 2: So of course I go, I'm up. I'm hitting mine

1491
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: in the right field. I always say I'm the king

1492
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 2: of the first role. I hate line, I'll get five

1493
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,200
Speaker 2: hundred foot I'm the four hundred fourteen line. Drives Jim

1494
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: Tomy only park and hold him a yellowstone. Jim tom

1495
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 2: Tomy is hitting bombs Many Ramirez in a home run

1496
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 2: hitting contest. Get suck and it's hitting it out of

1497
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 2: right field with us. He's not pulling his horn. He's

1498
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 2: going apple. And he looks at me and says, hey, baby,

1499
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:27,759
Speaker 2: I don't want to mess up my swing. Boy boy, listen.

1500
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 2: Many Ramiria is damn man. I got so many many stories, man,

1501
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 2: but I'll tell you what. He was a joy to

1502
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: play with. Man. He is a teddy bear. Every teammate

1503
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 2: loves Manny Ramirez. Every teammate one of the best teammates.

1504
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 2: Definitely the best right handed hitter I've ever played with.

1505
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 2: And I've played with some boys, but none of them

1506
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 2: to me or are many.

1507
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 1: Ramirius thought to be one of the best trades of

1508
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 1: Yankee history. In two thousand, he helped him win the

1509
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: World Series. You hit a home run in the Do

1510
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 1: or Die Game five in the DS versus the Age.

1511
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. I'm an ADS fan, ALCS MVP

1512
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: versus the Marlins, go ahead, three run home running games

1513
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: sit to clinch Game six. Again that clutchess comes up.

1514
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: But what is it like? I mean, that's like the

1515
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: Lakers for the NBA going to the Yankees. What was

1516
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: that like when you heard you were having really.

1517
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:25,880
Speaker 2: Stressful And so we're in Kansas City and again Charlie

1518
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 2: Manuel was our manager. Hey, DJ, Charlie want to see

1519
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 2: in the office, right, So I walk in office. This

1520
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 2: is the middle, this is late June, and Charlie Emanuel.

1521
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: We all love Charlie, such a great players manager. And

1522
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: I remember walking in and I'm like, hey, Charlie, where

1523
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 2: am I going? Just joking and he's got a pained

1524
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: look on his face and he was like, man, And

1525
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 2: they traded you to the Yankees. And I'm like then

1526
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,759
Speaker 2: I thought, but by this time it's just business. Now.

1527
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: My heart was hurt when the Braves traded me, but

1528
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 2: now I'm in a business. Business now I understand, so

1529
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 2: I wasn't hurt like that. But then it's the Yankees,

1530
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 2: and like this, this feeling came over me of they

1531
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 2: gonna boo you, you better play good. There's a history

1532
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 2: of players in their contracts when they say, like the trade,

1533
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 2: Like there's teams you don't want to be traded to.

1534
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 2: A whole lot of people put the Yankees. They don't

1535
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 2: want that type of fire. They don't want they don't

1536
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 2: want that. We're not there. So when I get traded,

1537
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: I remember my wife, Rebecca. She I had to call

1538
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: she we weren't even married yet. Man I called. I

1539
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 2: called her to come to New York. I need you,

1540
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 2: I need you to come home. She came. Man. She

1541
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 2: she was that calming force that I needed at that time.

1542
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 2: And we started on the road, which was great. I

1543
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 2: started on the road and I started hitting almost immediately, Matt.

1544
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,360
Speaker 2: And then now we come home in the Yankee Stadium.

1545
01:20:58,400 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 2: And the reason why I'm telling why I was so

1546
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,720
Speaker 2: stressful because the Yankee fans are incredible. I call them

1547
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: the ultimate tenth man because they make you so uncomfortable

1548
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 2: as an opposing player. Soon as you pull up to

1549
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 2: the stadium and you step off that bus, go on

1550
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,400
Speaker 2: to Yankee Stadium, they are on you immediately, all right.

1551
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 2: And so that's all my that's all I thought of

1552
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 2: when I thought of Yankee fans. I didn't know yet

1553
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: how great Yankee fans are, how knowledgeable they are, how

1554
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 2: much they I knew they rode with the team, but

1555
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 2: I didn't know it was like this. So I come

1556
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: home and I remember I hit my first home run

1557
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: I think as a Yankee off Chuck mckelroy line drive

1558
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 2: of right field, and man, when the Yankees traded for me, Matt,

1559
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,719
Speaker 2: I had twenty one home runs already. I hit twenty

1560
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,960
Speaker 2: home runs as a Yankee that year. I think only

1561
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 2: three guys in all of history of baseball I've ever

1562
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: hit twenty plus home runs for two different teams in

1563
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 2: the same year, me Mark Guire and I think Carlos

1564
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: Beltron and I hit twenty. I just flat out raked.

1565
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:09,960
Speaker 2: And so I will say this, the Yankees are not

1566
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,400
Speaker 2: for the Yankees, Big Boy baseball. But man, I lived

1567
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 2: in a Yankee neighborhood. I'll go get my coffee before

1568
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: I go to stadium. Day. Let's go. Let's go. Now,

1569
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 2: come on, now, let's go. So my Deli, my deli,

1570
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 2: the guy the Deli. I go there. That's where the policeman,

1571
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,600
Speaker 2: the fireman being there. I go in there, chopping up

1572
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: because I'm bawling. So you know, I'm been chopping up.

1573
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 2: But down you hit a little dry spot. You still

1574
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 2: got to go into sandwich, right, So now I'm going

1575
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: in there. Right, Hey, dang man, stay off the curve

1576
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,759
Speaker 2: all the dirt. I'm like, no, I'm trying.

1577
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 1: Right.

1578
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 2: The Delhi was such a great dude, the guy the Deli.

1579
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 2: We make it to the playoffs, Matt and I was

1580
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 2: and in the process of just having conversations all the time,

1581
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,439
Speaker 2: he had never been to a Yankee playoff game. So

1582
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 2: we'll get me to make it to the playoffs, right,

1583
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 2: And I get tickets, right, and I go in there,

1584
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 2: and I bless him. Man man almost cried on me bro,

1585
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 2: which made ship. I'm like, man, so I give them,

1586
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 2: I give them the tickets. Man. Look here. The next

1587
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,640
Speaker 2: day I get somebody ring the doorbell my door at

1588
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 2: the house. I'll go look, it's the deadli man. I'm like,

1589
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: he goes there, everybody know where you live? I thought

1590
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 2: I was in the cut. I thought, didn't nobody know

1591
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,720
Speaker 2: where I live? Here? And everybody know where you live at? Right?

1592
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: He brought my sandwich to the crib. Right the love

1593
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: you get from Yankee fans. I played two years in

1594
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 2: New York. Yankee fans act like I only played for

1595
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 2: the Yankees. So we you know, we go play. We

1596
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: play the A's in the first round. We get past them.

1597
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 2: They were they were tough. We go play Seattle and

1598
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: the Mariners. They had a good team, but they didn't

1599
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 2: have dominant pitching. Their pitching was lovely to hit off

1600
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: of his left lovely bro so. And then the home run,

1601
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,439
Speaker 2: the big home run I hit to put us into

1602
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 2: the World Series. Man, we in Yankee Stadium. It's three

1603
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 2: to the score. We got first and third. I come

1604
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 2: up and again I'll take you through my mindset. Arthur

1605
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 2: Rose comes in. Arthur Roose is a lefty throw game six,

1606
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: got a little cutter right, and I used to always

1607
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 2: joke with I used to hate facing Arthur, even though

1608
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 2: I had good numbers. I hated facing him so like

1609
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 2: sometimes I was seen walking out to the bullpen before

1610
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 2: the game. I'm like, Arthur, Arthur. He looked over at me.

1611
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,559
Speaker 2: I'm like, and then don't answer the phone when they called. Man,

1612
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 2: she's just telling you tie. Everybody looking at me because

1613
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: we was never boys right in a picture. I don't

1614
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 2: talk to pictures. But I was just joking with him anyway.

1615
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 2: He come in at night, three two games. Man, I

1616
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 2: could see it like it was yesterday, bro. And I

1617
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 2: told myself once again, I'm staying on that fastball to

1618
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: two strikes because we're all. You don't get to the

1619
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 2: big leagues hit the split fingers, curve balls, change ups.

1620
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 2: Get to the big leagues hit fastballs. So I'm like,

1621
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay on this fast ball to two strikes. Matt.

1622
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,639
Speaker 2: He got me the three balls one strike, and now

1623
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: everybody is on their feet. This is Jankie Stadium to

1624
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 2: come to. Don't nobody scream like the Yankee fans.

1625
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 1: You got to come to me.

1626
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: I step out, Matt, and I stepped back in, and

1627
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, don't try to do too much, you know,

1628
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 2: don't try to hit it five hundred just put a

1629
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: good swing on it because I know he got to

1630
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 2: come to Man, he threw a fastball right now. I

1631
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 2: wish you had that video. He threw a fastball right

1632
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 2: down the middle, Matt. And as soon as I hit it,

1633
01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 2: I can still see it right now. As soon as

1634
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 2: I hit it, it ain't going foul. And I see it.

1635
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 2: I can see it right now. And immediately I look

1636
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 2: in the dugout because I know the fellas about to

1637
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: jump up for it. I hit it and I look

1638
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 2: and I see them heads coming. Because you can't see it,

1639
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 2: I see them come out. I round on first base, doom.

1640
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: I always do my little pump right and as I

1641
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 2: hit second it feels like an earthquake in the stadium. Literally,

1642
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm running like this. It feels like

1643
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:54,799
Speaker 2: an earthquake. And you see beer everywhere. People hug and scream.

1644
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 2: They going nuts. Man. I round third base, Man, I

1645
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 2: hit home. Man, I'm telling you, there ain't. I don't

1646
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 2: think there's a better feeling than that, that feeling right there,

1647
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 2: to come through and with the at home, with the

1648
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 2: excitement of our fans, them Yankee fans. Oh man, then

1649
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 2: uh oh, and so look Matt as I'm sitting there

1650
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 2: in the cut three to one, around all this pandemonium.

1651
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: You know what was in my mind? I literally was

1652
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: on a pond, okay, with the moonlight right there. I

1653
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 2: can still see it now casting a shadow on the water.

1654
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 2: And I'm in a boat, and I'm in one of

1655
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 2: those ten boats, them old timble. I got a line

1656
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 2: in the water. Okay, if you could have cut my

1657
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: head open on that three to one pitch, that's where

1658
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 2: I was. I was so relaxed and laser focused on

1659
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 2: this one pitch. Why I had that in my mind,

1660
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I don't even fish. Oh shit,

1661
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 2: I've been fishing one time with Primetime. It was the

1662
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 2: most boring shit ever, and I never went fishing ever again.

1663
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 2: Primetime had me out there, Hey man, you can keep

1664
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 2: this ship. Man, I'm going to the golf course. Yeah. Yeah.

1665
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 2: And then right and so now we go into the

1666
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 2: World Series against the Mets. We had played the Mets

1667
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 2: earlier as the Subway serious New York is on fire.

1668
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: I thought we were gonna sweep them. I thought that

1669
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,759
Speaker 2: I've never been that with that comfortable my wife against

1670
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 2: the team because they had nothing for us. I get

1671
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 2: a big hit in Game one a two run double

1672
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 2: to put us up. Our lighter who had got me

1673
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 2: in the nineteen ninety seven World Series of Marlins. He

1674
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 2: caught me. I sold out on a three to two

1675
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 2: fastball and he threw me a three two cutter that

1676
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 2: I literally could wanted to call time out halfway weight.

1677
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:07,560
Speaker 2: So I remember, I remember from the World Series in

1678
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,080
Speaker 2: ninety seven that that's what he likes to throw in

1679
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,640
Speaker 2: some situations on it. So I sat on it. He

1680
01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 2: had me like one one or two one he threw

1681
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 2: and I shot even lefts in the field to run double.

1682
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:19,600
Speaker 2: And in game one of that Mets series, we're not

1683
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 2: winning Game one, We won Game two, lost Game three,

1684
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 2: won Game four, and five we won four four games,

1685
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 2: four to five, and and here I am again winning

1686
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 2: another World Series.

1687
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: With all due respect, you know, obviously winning one with

1688
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,439
Speaker 1: with Atlanta was very important. It was the first, but

1689
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: winning one with the Yankees is something different. That's that's precious,

1690
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: that's rare air up there.

1691
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 2: What was that like, I don't think you can win

1692
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: on a bigger stage.

1693
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I see the ring right here is still

1694
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: lying to me.

1695
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think you can win on a

1696
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 2: bigger stage than in New York. I really don't seem

1697
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 2: like the lights are brighter. You know, there's more emphasis,

1698
01:28:57,360 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 2: more media's media everywhere man. And then being the Subway series,

1699
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 2: like you're bringing the whole I mean, even though it

1700
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 2: was within New York, I guarantee the whole country was

1701
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 2: tuned in on this one. And the vibe and the

1702
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 2: energy in New York was believable during this series, and

1703
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: it was and then our parade there he listen, man,

1704
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,360
Speaker 2: there's no parade like the young parade.

1705
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: You were married at that time. We'll keep it peach. Yeah. Yeah,

1706
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:32,520
Speaker 1: a little Puerto Rican girls out there and the Dominicans.

1707
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,639
Speaker 2: And South having flashbacks.

1708
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I can imagine I didn't I didn't

1709
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: win shit. I can imagine that real quick. Give me

1710
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: something on Jeter.

1711
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:47,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So G to me is as solid of a

1712
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 2: dude and a teammate I think you'll ever find when

1713
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 2: they say, well raised man, His mom and daddy did

1714
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 2: a great job with him. Jeep was young, man. I'm

1715
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 2: like eight years older than je Shoot. I was thirty

1716
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: four when G was like twenty six, So he wasn't

1717
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,799
Speaker 2: the captain yet. He was just one of the young fellas.

1718
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That was that was on

1719
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 2: the team. And what I love about Jeep Man is

1720
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 2: Gee plays every day. He come to play every day.

1721
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,599
Speaker 2: You know, if I don't get a nut can unless

1722
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 2: he's something's broken. He played and and his funniest lying

1723
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:27,640
Speaker 2: with me is uh. I was like, Geep, what he

1724
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 2: got nothing? Everybody nothing? And know we always have nicknames

1725
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 2: on every team. There's always nickname. With the Braids, I'm

1726
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 2: big Red right with uh with with the Yankees, you know,

1727
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 2: me and ge Even when I text him now, I

1728
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:47,960
Speaker 2: start that with sister girl. Hein't sister girl. I don't

1729
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 2: know where we while we do that, and then he's yeat,

1730
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 2: he's Jeep or yet you know what I mean. Soado

1731
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: Pasada man, I had a great time hanging with. It

1732
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,599
Speaker 2: would always be me, Jeter Pisados and Tino Martinez and

1733
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 2: I call him Constantino Constantino, But Jeter, to me, if

1734
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: you want to build a baseball player who has the

1735
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 2: ability to handle everything on and off the field, I

1736
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: would you would build there. Jeter. I mean, that's my

1737
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 2: little brother man forever. But the guy, he just he's

1738
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 2: well raised man. He tough, hard nos. Look here, man,

1739
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:39,200
Speaker 2: if I got to win a game, I got one game. Man,

1740
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 2: He's in my lineup, and Jeter's my leadof here for

1741
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:46,599
Speaker 2: show because I know, I know he and Clutch. I mean,

1742
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 2: he's got this this slump proof inside. I don't know

1743
01:31:51,800 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 2: what he be doing. The ball on his hands, Matt

1744
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 2: j and throw it in the right field. He's just great.

1745
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,799
Speaker 2: I mean he's solid defensively, but he's got that dog

1746
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 2: in he. Man, he's got that dog. He's got that

1747
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 2: winning mentality. And you could see it when he was young.

1748
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 2: He played like it. Man, played with a lot of energy,

1749
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: and I was so glad to see how excuse me,

1750
01:32:13,160 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 2: how his career turned out. Man. He became the captain

1751
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 2: and then just what, just what he became and just

1752
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 2: what he is now. Man, I love that dude.

1753
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 1: He won on and off the field.

1754
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:29,240
Speaker 5: Yep, the show, Rush Show, Roger Clemens, Clem.

1755
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,360
Speaker 2: I love Clem Man. I got taught. Man. Listen, when

1756
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 2: Clem pitches, I feel like we're back at the University

1757
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,280
Speaker 2: of Texas. Clym is one of rob Rod dudes. Boy,

1758
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 2: he come down there and got that lad of going.

1759
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: He's sweating already. Let's go boys. And I'm a rob

1760
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 2: rod dude too. Now I could still see Clem the

1761
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 2: other end of Doug Gofic pitchers come out down there.

1762
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm on this end about to run out and I'm like, yeah,

1763
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 2: let's go right, and we're hitting that field ready. And

1764
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 2: we had a squad too. I had some of my

1765
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:59,000
Speaker 2: best games with Clemens pitching because the energy that he

1766
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 2: brings to the game, to the team, you can't help

1767
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,719
Speaker 2: but raise your level because Clym is a dog man,

1768
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 2: one of the goats. Marianna rivera man, Marioonno could have

1769
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 2: been a position player. Man Marino is an athlete. That

1770
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,600
Speaker 2: dude was an athlete. We'd be nervous, man because he

1771
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,759
Speaker 2: in our field before the game running catching fly balls.

1772
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:24,479
Speaker 2: Man Morio, sit down, as down, but what you're doing.

1773
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,759
Speaker 2: But Mariano, hey, I've never seen a guy so good

1774
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 2: that everybody in the league seeming they respected, because he

1775
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 2: never showed nobody up. Mario on coming to ninth in

1776
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:40,840
Speaker 2: and carve you up. Game over, just shake the hand,

1777
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,080
Speaker 2: respect their shake hands, and let's take it on into

1778
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 2: the dugout. I can't remember a time where he went

1779
01:33:47,160 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 2: crazy except when we when we win the World Series,

1780
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: then he'll show out. But other than that, all business.

1781
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 2: But he he is one pitcher who I would say

1782
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 2: carrie leadership cache in the clubhouse where Mario probably could

1783
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:07,599
Speaker 2: stand up in front of the team and we listened

1784
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,839
Speaker 2: to him because normally pictures they just pictures the position

1785
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,520
Speaker 2: players run the team.

1786
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:18,280
Speaker 1: Interesting last season with the A's Moneyball was moneyball accurate?

1787
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 2: Not even close. Not one scene actually happened. Let me

1788
01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 2: tell you about Moneyball.

1789
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: Please do because I like this.

1790
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:28,240
Speaker 2: I like their first day I walked into the clubhouse.

1791
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 2: They was like, our leader has arrived. Here he is,

1792
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 2: I'm coming in seven World Series teams in d A

1793
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:41,640
Speaker 2: lot of these dudes were young watching me when they

1794
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:44,880
Speaker 2: were coming up. So and me, I've been trying to

1795
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 2: leave my team since my second year, Matt, so I

1796
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 2: walked in, couldn't wait to be the leader of this team.

1797
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 2: And they reminded me of the young Braves. And they

1798
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 2: had Mark Mulder, Tim Hudson, Barry Zito, we had Miguel Tahada,

1799
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 2: Eric Shaviz over whatever we had m b uh no, no, no,

1800
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 2: Jason wasn't.

1801
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 1: There, wasn't there. It was gone.

1802
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 2: He gone, no, he gone. We got we got Jermaine Die,

1803
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:13,880
Speaker 2: young Jermaine Die. We got uh them enough dude was

1804
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 2: the name right there.

1805
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 1: We had nice squad, these.

1806
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:21,640
Speaker 2: Young boys and man, and I felt like I had

1807
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,799
Speaker 2: come like full circle. Like now I'm the main veteran

1808
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 2: trying to leave these young guys and I'm and man, listen,

1809
01:35:28,120 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 2: they know on the plane, last seat, that's my office,

1810
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 2: come see me and they come back in the back. Man.

1811
01:35:33,800 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 2: We would talk baseballs and life stuff like that. Man,

1812
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 2: we go on the road, I'd be like, I come

1813
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 2: on the plane, the first thing I would say is

1814
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 2: women and children off the streets. These oak and A's

1815
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 2: are coming to town. Because these young boys was coming

1816
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 2: into your city.

1817
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: Boy.

1818
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:53,639
Speaker 2: But no, the movie was nothing like what it really

1819
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 2: was like like the movie when Brad Pitt had to

1820
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:59,640
Speaker 2: go into the to the batting cage to get my

1821
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 2: care to come on board, and what they were trying

1822
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 2: to do that ain't ever happen. Man. Man, First of all,

1823
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 2: I would never say to a manager or a general manager, man,

1824
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: y'all paying me seventy dollars? You know what I mean?

1825
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:15,200
Speaker 2: Are you crazy? I don't talk like that. My mama

1826
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 2: would kill me if I said a mess like that somebody.

1827
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:20,519
Speaker 2: I wasn't raised like that. I was a leader first day.

1828
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:25,800
Speaker 2: None of those scenes actually happened. Look, if you saw

1829
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 2: the movie, remember the really a huge crux of the

1830
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 2: story was Billy being with his daughter. She's a musician.

1831
01:36:35,479 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if you all saw Moneyball right and

1832
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 2: their relationship. And remember at the end, even at the end,

1833
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:45,719
Speaker 2: the movie ends with him being in his car listening

1834
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 2: to her song. And then they kind of let you know,

1835
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 2: he decided not to go to Boston. He gonna stay

1836
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 2: in Oakland, kind of painting the picture and I'm gonna

1837
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 2: stay with my daughter. I'm still over here. We went

1838
01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 2: to the premiere and I see Billy and I was

1839
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 2: literally Billy hired me the next years as an assistant.

1840
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 2: Billy and I were like this my last year in

1841
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 2: the big leagues because he saw what I meant to

1842
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:10,719
Speaker 2: the team and he knew I'd be the right person

1843
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 2: to talk to about gauging the team. And I met

1844
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,640
Speaker 2: the premiere and I'm like, Billy, how do you not

1845
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 2: tell me your daughter can sing plan instrument like this?

1846
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 2: He goes DJ, my daughter don't sing or plan instruments.

1847
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 1: I wad all that shit up. Huh.

1848
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 2: If you've seen money the movie though, too, that's crazy.

1849
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 2: My daughter doesn't sing or plan instrument. So having said

1850
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 2: all that, Moneyball was hollywooded up, my character was made

1851
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 2: to be kind of like a standoffish type of guy.

1852
01:37:52,960 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: You know.

1853
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I had teammates that saw it. It was calling

1854
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,559
Speaker 2: hitting me up, DJ man, We salty man. How they

1855
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 2: played you, bro salty because everybody, I'm telling you right now,

1856
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 2: you talked to every dude I ever played with, every

1857
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 2: team I ever played on. They gonna tell you, I

1858
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,640
Speaker 2: ride hard for my teammates and my team. I'm a

1859
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 2: great teammate. I ain't nothing like the way they portrayed me.

1860
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: They missed unfortunate, unfortunate all right, quick hitters, finish up

1861
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:20,639
Speaker 1: your first team to come to mind, let us know

1862
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: who are. Give me a major league player you couldn't stand,

1863
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:24,439
Speaker 1: but you have respect for.

1864
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 2: I couldn't stand you. I ain't got respect for you, Okay,

1865
01:38:28,479 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 2: I can't. There was never a player that I couldn't stand.

1866
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 1: The smartest picture you ever faced that.

1867
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,440
Speaker 2: I ever faced, I would say Pedro Martinez. Peter Martinez

1868
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: was a monster man. Five nine, one hundred and sixty

1869
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,680
Speaker 2: five pounds on the mound like he's six six two

1870
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 2: forty five bro he fastball, change up curve. It was

1871
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,360
Speaker 2: like he was in my brain. I think I can

1872
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:55,040
Speaker 2: remember one hit I told him. I told Pedro, man,

1873
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 2: you should have included me in your Hall of Fame

1874
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 2: speech because I helped you get there. You know what

1875
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 2: I mean. He there's only one time I think I

1876
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 2: got a hit off him where I second guessed myself

1877
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,719
Speaker 2: and he threw the pitch that I second guessed myself.

1878
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 2: It's like he was always knew what you were looking for,

1879
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 2: and all of his pitches were quality, A plus quality.

1880
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez for sure, best pitch you've seen in your

1881
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:21,200
Speaker 1: career by any pitcher who had just an incredible cutter,

1882
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 1: slider fastball.

1883
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 5: Okay, so Mario Rivera's cutter is I just second.

1884
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,960
Speaker 2: We all knew it's coming. You know what's coming, but

1885
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 2: you can't do no with it. Just it's just all in.

1886
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 2: It's all off on you, man. You just can't fool

1887
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 2: with it. Mariano for sure. And Greg Maddix. Greg Maddis

1888
01:39:42,200 --> 01:39:44,840
Speaker 2: had had a two scene fastball I've just never seen

1889
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 2: he could throw it at the left hander like left

1890
01:39:47,000 --> 01:39:49,639
Speaker 2: handed hitters like it's gonna hit you and I think,

1891
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:53,320
Speaker 2: just come back. I don't know how he did it. Man, Yep,

1892
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 2: those two.

1893
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Worst ballpark you ever played in?

1894
01:39:56,080 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 2: Montreal, Oh Nasty and Philly, the old Old Montra and Philly.

1895
01:40:01,960 --> 01:40:03,719
Speaker 1: Craziest clubhouse story you could share.

1896
01:40:04,479 --> 01:40:10,040
Speaker 2: Craziest clubhouse story I can share. I got one, but

1897
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to tell it. We had an incident

1898
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:24,759
Speaker 2: one time where one wife and one girlfriend got into

1899
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 2: it and the one wife brought her girl to fight

1900
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 2: the other girl and it went down in the family. Yes,

1901
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 2: and one of the players was yes, served at him. Yeah.

1902
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1903
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:49,080
Speaker 2: We got real thuggish, ruggish bone that day. Yeah that

1904
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:49,880
Speaker 2: that one right there.

1905
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 1: Can you give us the team? You don't give us

1906
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: no names?

1907
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 2: Brave? We had that one. Yeah, yeah, that that That

1908
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 2: would probably be one that was the craziest.

1909
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: Bench clear and brawl. Who were three players you want

1910
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 1: on your side?

1911
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,040
Speaker 2: It will be if we charge malt with Cleveland. I

1912
01:41:08,080 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 2: want Kevin Mitchell, I want, I want Kevin Mitchell. I want.

1913
01:41:16,680 --> 01:41:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm looking right at my man.

1914
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:19,720
Speaker 1: Kevin Mitchell had to go to.

1915
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 2: Yeah from the crib. I want I want three mitches.

1916
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 2: But if I only take one, Mitch. I'll take Mitch,

1917
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 2: I'll take Mark Whitten, Mark Whitten. Uh and and I'll

1918
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:38,080
Speaker 2: take Shoot, I'll take then I'll take Prime sign Okay, yeah, yeah,

1919
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:42,559
Speaker 2: those were my three Prime time Mark Whitton and Kevin

1920
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 2: Mitch Mitchell.

1921
01:41:44,200 --> 01:41:46,000
Speaker 1: The goat in your opinion.

1922
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 2: Well, in my era the best hitters, no doubt. Barry

1923
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:55,639
Speaker 2: Barry bonds for show. And if you say it wasn't him,

1924
01:41:55,680 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 2: you just wasn't watching. So Barry Barry is the goat

1925
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:04,600
Speaker 2: uh as a as as a hitter the picture, the

1926
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 2: goat as a pitcher hell Man. I might almost say

1927
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 2: a three way tie Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddox, and I'll

1928
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 2: even put Roger Clemens there too.

1929
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: You think Burry will ever get in the Hall of.

1930
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 5: Fame, Barry gonna have to be six ft under to

1931
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 5: getting hold of thing, just like they did Pete Rose.

1932
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,200
Speaker 2: They're gonna You're gonna have to be sit You're gonna

1933
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,200
Speaker 2: be him, and Clemens are gonna have to be underground

1934
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:34,040
Speaker 2: before they get in.

1935
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 1: How good was King GRIFFYTHR?

1936
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,360
Speaker 2: Man, it's my homie, man. You know, we all from Cincinnati.

1937
01:42:38,680 --> 01:42:44,120
Speaker 2: King RIVIRGINR was special. If he had not gotten hurt,

1938
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:47,759
Speaker 2: he would have been one of them. Seven hundred, maybe

1939
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:53,599
Speaker 2: eight hundred. I mean King Grivirginr. Rome center field man. Fast,

1940
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 2: had a cannon for an arm, he can steal a bag, confidence,

1941
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 2: the likeable ability about him. The game loved him, his teammates.

1942
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 2: His teammates loved him. Kinger Virginia was a joy to

1943
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 2: watch man. He was always fun to watch. And because

1944
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:12,880
Speaker 2: we homies. I'm three years older than him, were both

1945
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,439
Speaker 2: from Cincinnati. I'm at junior when he was sixteen, I

1946
01:43:16,479 --> 01:43:17,879
Speaker 2: was nineteen. I just got drafted.

1947
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:18,040
Speaker 1: Man.

1948
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 2: We all in the cages hitting. He was still in

1949
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 2: high school. Kinger Virginia, Man, he's a special guy.

1950
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 1: Man.

1951
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:25,880
Speaker 2: He was special to the game, still special to the game.

1952
01:43:26,680 --> 01:43:29,040
Speaker 2: And I'm just glad I got a chance to see

1953
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,240
Speaker 2: his career. I hate that he got hurt when he

1954
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:33,920
Speaker 2: went to Cincinnati because a lot of people will, I think,

1955
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:38,160
Speaker 2: are really sleeping on how great King Jr. Actually was?

1956
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: No question, pure talent. Who's the best pure talent in

1957
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 1: baseball in your opinion right now?

1958
01:43:44,160 --> 01:43:49,160
Speaker 2: Or Ronald Acunya, Ronald o'cuna man special? I tell you

1959
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 2: who else is special. It's just I don't know. He

1960
01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 2: might have to get with another team is Elie de

1961
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 2: la Cruz and Cincinnati. He just if he gets on

1962
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 2: a team where he doesn't feel like he has to

1963
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 2: carry everything, do everything, where he can just relax and

1964
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:08,759
Speaker 2: just place position. Right now, it looks like he presses

1965
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:10,560
Speaker 2: because he feels like if he don't do it, he

1966
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,519
Speaker 2: ain't gonna get done. That's that's a tough But Ellida

1967
01:44:13,560 --> 01:44:15,759
Speaker 2: la Cruz, man, that guy's got a lot of talent.

1968
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 2: He's he like a wild Bronco out in the wilderness.

1969
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:24,040
Speaker 2: You know, just wow, just but boy, he get it together.

1970
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,559
Speaker 2: Ronald o'cunya, Yeah, he's a bad man right there. Old

1971
01:44:28,680 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 2: Tani got to be in there. I mean, the dude

1972
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:34,639
Speaker 2: can pitch and hit and he make major league pitch

1973
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:38,559
Speaker 2: and look like like he just facing some children. So

1974
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 2: so honestly, I gotta give it the show. Hey yeah, yeah, no, no,

1975
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 2: I take that answer back show. Hey, is the best pure.

1976
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 1: Of talent one major league guest you would like to

1977
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 1: see on this show. It's a wide open we have

1978
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:53,679
Speaker 1: for y'all.

1979
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think who would be

1980
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 2: great on this show that would be funny and give

1981
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 2: you some information. You know, guys, guys would be funny,

1982
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:07,880
Speaker 2: like guys like John Krook, Guys like I think Roger

1983
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 2: would be good.

1984
01:45:08,800 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 5: He's a good storyteller. Jeter would be good. It's a captain.

1985
01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1986
01:45:14,040 --> 01:45:16,479
Speaker 1: You ever get any run across Bo Jackson?

1987
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bo would be good. Look, man, Bowl, it's only

1988
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,640
Speaker 2: been like I would say, like one two guys that

1989
01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 2: literally something happened with my eyesight where it blurred. Bo

1990
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:36,600
Speaker 2: Jackson one time ran from home to first where he

1991
01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:40,799
Speaker 2: went It was just a pure I didn't something happened

1992
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,920
Speaker 2: right there in prime time. I saw Primetime doing time

1993
01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 2: in the outfield. He was running for a ball. All

1994
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it was like, wait a minute, how

1995
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:52,559
Speaker 2: do you get from there to there? You know? Bo Jackson? Man? Bowl?

1996
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 2: What six'? One he was two Thirdy like look like

1997
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 2: they spray painted his uniform, ony you know WHAT i,

1998
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:03,680
Speaker 2: mean fast as heck a. Cannon. Uh bowl was. Impressive.

1999
01:46:03,800 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 2: Man another guy now that too is another guy who

2000
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:16,960
Speaker 2: the world does not give the amount of credit to his. Greatness.

2001
01:46:17,840 --> 01:46:20,200
Speaker 2: Uh and if it were not for that injury in

2002
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,560
Speaker 2: football that we probably be talking. About bowl was the

2003
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 2: greatest to have ever. Played, wow that good. Man That

2004
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 2: god only makes a few of them every. Century i'm

2005
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 2: telling you all around Like, Bo, god he ran up

2006
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 2: the center with the wall and ran. DOWN i would

2007
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:44,280
Speaker 2: love to but we used to go out to the

2008
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 2: wall and laugh and be like you think we can

2009
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 2: rump this wall and we're Looking i'm looking AT i

2010
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,439
Speaker 2: don't even understand the physics of, it like you. GOT

2011
01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:54,160
Speaker 2: i don't know how you.

2012
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:56,880
Speaker 1: How you even do? That how do you even get to?

2013
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:58,280
Speaker 2: That you got to go up and then and? Know

2014
01:46:58,400 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 2: and then he came.

2015
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 1: Down and ran down that month for her. Too who doesn't.

2016
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:08,639
Speaker 2: Who thinks to do? That? Matt who was thinking? That so? Yeah,

2017
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:12,639
Speaker 2: Man Bo, Jackson, MAN i got a he's so. Cool.

2018
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:14,559
Speaker 2: MAN i love Bow man WHEN i had my hip.

2019
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 2: Replaced and who better to call them boat because bow

2020
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 2: was like one of the first. ONES mano both sat

2021
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 2: Like i'm sitting next to. You bo had me sitting

2022
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:24,920
Speaker 2: right there giving me the whole, plan the type of

2023
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 2: SHOES i need to, buy like all kinds of. Stuff you.

2024
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 2: KNOW i was over there TO ok was it? Called?

2025
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 2: Man i'm taking all that, right all of the. Down

2026
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 2: Riggy henderson, man rest in. Peace. Man Ricky henderson was

2027
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 2: the one guy that we all thought would literally go

2028
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:43,320
Speaker 2: to one, hundred his face would look one, hundred his

2029
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 2: body would still look twenty. Five Riggy henderson was was best,

2030
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:52,880
Speaker 2: shape a game. Changer Riggy henderson best lead off hitter

2031
01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 2: of all. Time, no AND i mean everybody feels that.

2032
01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 2: WAY i didn't get a chance to play With, ricky

2033
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 2: BUT i got the chance to Know, ricky AND i

2034
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 2: Love Ricky, henderson. Man and it just hurts me that

2035
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:11,759
Speaker 2: it hurts me like it hurts me That Kirby puckett

2036
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:12,320
Speaker 2: is no longer.

2037
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:12,519
Speaker 1: Here.

2038
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 2: Man these were two guys that when they, around you

2039
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:19,320
Speaker 2: want to go say what's? Up you just want to

2040
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 2: go be around. Her Kirby puckett was like, that, man

2041
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 2: when you Played Minnesota, TWINS i gotta go see PUCK

2042
01:48:26,040 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 2: i got to because it's just a smile and energy they. Carried,

2043
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 2: MAN i still cannot believe That Ricky henderson is.

2044
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 1: Gone quick story we. GOT i went To Reggie jackson's

2045
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 1: last he had a softball game at The Open callsee

2046
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 1: and there was kind of the final game. There And

2047
01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 1: ricky was my favorite. Player And i've always been someone

2048
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't like to bother people BECAUSE i know

2049
01:48:44,160 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 1: how you know to an, extent how it. Is when

2050
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 1: we went into the locker, room he was the one

2051
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 1: at the table with everybody sitting around him telling. STORIES

2052
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 1: i just kind of stood and listened for a little,

2053
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:54,880
Speaker 1: bit got to talk to him when we were out

2054
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:57,040
Speaker 1: on the field a little. Bit but they kicked myself

2055
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 1: because maybe a month later he had. Passed i'm just, like,

2056
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 1: DAMN i should have just asked for just been the

2057
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:02,720
Speaker 1: fan and asked for a.

2058
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:05,719
Speaker 2: Picture but it just shows, you, man and life is, short,

2059
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:10,200
Speaker 2: Bro like no matter how great an athlete you are

2060
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:13,960
Speaker 2: or you, were you, know at some point it's gonna be.

2061
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 2: Over like were all going on to The Pearly. Gates,

2062
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 2: man you ain't gonna outrun, it you. Know and we

2063
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 2: all think we're gonna make it to. Eighty and then

2064
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 2: when you See ricky get up out of here at sixty, Five,

2065
01:49:25,880 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 2: Man i'll be sixty next. Year that's like five five

2066
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:33,880
Speaker 2: years from. Now imagine you only got five more. LEFT i,

2067
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,640
Speaker 2: mean that's a hell of a perspective to really marinate, on,

2068
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:40,320
Speaker 2: bro you. Know and you know when you get to

2069
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 2: be this, Age, Matt i'm telling, you and you really,

2070
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 2: realize you know that you you, know you got way

2071
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 2: more days behind you than in front of, you you,

2072
01:49:49,400 --> 01:49:51,799
Speaker 2: know and then you look at some of your buddies

2073
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:55,680
Speaker 2: that played before you there in their, seventies and you

2074
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 2: start to see how they slow. Down they slowing. Down you're, like,

2075
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:04,320
Speaker 2: MAN i mean more real productive years do you really? Have?

2076
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 2: Man that's that's humbling to.

2077
01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: Me.

2078
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:09,360
Speaker 2: Brother that's WHY i try to take it one day

2079
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:12,639
Speaker 2: at a time and enjoy, myself live life for them

2080
01:50:12,720 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 2: twenty four, hours BECAUSE i truly believe it is not

2081
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:19,479
Speaker 2: promised man getting the. Eighties so that's HOW i lived my.

2082
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 2: Life that's Why i'm real. Honest you know WHEN i,

2083
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 2: talk you know What i'm, saying because there's only one

2084
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 2: way to be designest.

2085
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,800
Speaker 1: MAN Dj, man we appreciate your.

2086
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:29,559
Speaker 2: Time and thanks for having.

2087
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 1: You Then i'm th looking forward to doing some more.

2088
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: Stuff LIKE i, said all The smoke is coming into

2089
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,400
Speaker 1: the baseball space, man so we're definitely gonna look to

2090
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: team up with your. Side cool, cool cool. Man that's a,

2091
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 1: Wrap David. Justice you can catch. This, yeah we can

2092
01:50:41,880 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 1: clap if you. Want, yeah oh stop, it stop. It

2093
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:50,679
Speaker 1: you can catch us in all The Smokes productions YouTube

2094
01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:52,679
Speaker 1: in The Draft Kings. Network we'll see y'all next week

2095
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:00,920
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