Speaker 1: Hello, welcome to another edition of Nerdificent. I am one
Speaker 1: half of your host, Danny Fernandez, sitting across from me
Speaker 1: virtually still is if you want anyway, how's everybody doing
Speaker 1: there in your home? So hopefully six feet away from
Speaker 1: folks mask on the opposite of the future song if
Speaker 1: he I recently got tested and was negative. Um, and
Speaker 1: that just goes even though I've been out protesting what
Speaker 1: not the last couple of weeks. Would like to say
Speaker 1: again the importance of wearing a mask. A lot of
Speaker 1: people are taking these masks off and it's crazy, and
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like, I still have been
Speaker 1: testing negative. I've been really careful. Um. I know sometimes
Speaker 1: it's not always someone's fault, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: are acting. When we were protesting, there were people at
Speaker 1: brunch not even kidding. We walked by people at brunch
Speaker 1: and who and I was just with their masks off,
Speaker 1: enjoying their eggs. Benedict, Yeah, yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: wild too, because, um, when I went to the last protest,
Speaker 1: I took a lift there because you know, I didn't
Speaker 1: want to drive, and something pop off, I need to go,
Speaker 1: and then I'm stuck trying to get my car. So
Speaker 1: I was like, let me just lift and then you know,
Speaker 1: I know these streets, um, but I forgot like that
Speaker 1: all that, all of that stuff is different now. So
Speaker 1: like the lift driver showed up and I was wearing
Speaker 1: my mask, and then he was like, oh he put
Speaker 1: his mask on, Like bro okay, first of all, but
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did because we're talking or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then he just starts coughing recklessly. I'm like, glad you
Speaker 1: put your mask. You try to have it off. You're
Speaker 1: trying to have this off. Drop my ass off. Also,
Speaker 1: that means he was coughing in his car the whole
Speaker 1: time before. You got in a lot of cough particles.
Speaker 1: That's why I had my mask on, you toll. The
Speaker 1: people don't know that. And then you got the a
Speaker 1: c on you know, cough particles everywhere. We're not talking
Speaker 1: about car cough particles right now. We're talking about cartoons
Speaker 1: more specific. We're talking about the cartoon Network Baby talking
Speaker 1: another cartoon Network Baby. I can see our guests laughing
Speaker 1: at this transition with the smooth segues. I always got
Speaker 1: the smooth talking about the coronavirus. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: cartoon virus. Yeah, the virus that is Cartoon Network. Baby.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, yeah, yeah, that's what that's what we're
Speaker 1: talking about. It's a good time. But you know, we
Speaker 1: we we couldn't have be a conversation about cartoon now.
Speaker 1: One of the one of our good friends who's as
Speaker 1: a triplog holding it down all over the Cartoon network.
Speaker 1: Someone would say he's taking over Cartoon Network. Every time
Speaker 1: everyone would say he is Cartoon Network someone. Yeah, Mr
Speaker 1: Cartoon Network, like you know, uh, you know, like like Pitbulls,
Speaker 1: Mr three or five live, this is Mr Cartoon Network.
Speaker 1: Uh what how you doing? Jeff? Is is Jeff Trummel. Baby,
Speaker 1: thank you AUS for having me back. It's been a
Speaker 1: long time left you without some dope cartoons and step
Speaker 1: two Jeff, Mr Cartoon Network. Tramo head writer of Craig
Speaker 1: of the Creek sometimes voice actor Creek. Yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: guys for having me. Yeah. You were just nominated to
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we got nominated for Outstanding Children's Animated Series
Speaker 1: at the Daytime Emmys. So that's super cool. Are they
Speaker 1: having the like how does that work? No? I think
Speaker 1: it's I'll be like this doom. I would love it
Speaker 1: if if like somebody loses and they just like end
Speaker 1: there's they just walk out and just their screen just
Speaker 1: goes to black. Need this anymore? I want to know
Speaker 1: who my like if we get to go to the
Speaker 1: Virtual Emmys, who my like box is going to be
Speaker 1: next to? Like do I get to sit next to
Speaker 1: like Steve Harvey or somebody at the Joy Emmys or whatever.
Speaker 1: That would me and that would be a nice box
Speaker 1: to be next to. Oh my gosh, I want to
Speaker 1: see because then it'll also be showing like people's homes.
Speaker 1: I'm so nosy. I want to like see you'd be surprised.
Speaker 1: Some people are like, yeah, yeah, see you or have
Speaker 1: wildness showing, Yeah, all that wildness and all that. Like
Speaker 1: I totally see that. Like when they do SNL from home,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you can definitely tell who's been on
Speaker 1: SNL how long some of them some of them bets.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's a lot of space here. Also
Speaker 1: some people just like it's so funny because you can
Speaker 1: see you have a bunch of art behind me and stuff.
Speaker 1: We all do. Actually I can see in our places.
Speaker 1: But like the people that just have a blank wall, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that cracks me up to it's just like this massively
Speaker 1: like plane. I'm like, wow, really artistic. Yeah, don't. I
Speaker 1: don't need nothing. I don't need nothing. You see the
Speaker 1: big old light my ice cream dog right there, and
Speaker 1: that's I always try and get that in frame. We've
Speaker 1: been doing zoom calls for super Punch on TBS, another
Speaker 1: head Turner a Venture uh, and they'll, you know, I'll
Speaker 1: zoom call in. And I've just been putting different things
Speaker 1: in the background. And I have this giant Elizabeth plush
Speaker 1: from Gettama and it was just sitting back there the
Speaker 1: whole the whole episode. I'm like, well, you know, they
Speaker 1: didn't tell me to move it, so I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: it back there. So I'm gonna see how much wild
Speaker 1: stuff I can just fit behind me without them calling
Speaker 1: it out. Um, Jeff, we normally start our episodes with
Speaker 1: what we're seeking out about. Do you have anything or
Speaker 1: artists or creators or shows or movies or books or
Speaker 1: anything that you're kind of geeking out about right now? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's see. I've been seeking out a lot about Static Shock,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows. I've been rewatching it I
Speaker 1: talked about on the podcast lately. I keep messaging Matthew
Speaker 1: Cherry about it. Uh in is full. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: me being like, hey, can we do static? Can we
Speaker 1: do static? And he's like, I don't even own that,
Speaker 1: are you? He and I were like talking about my
Speaker 1: pilot originally when I first sold it, and then when
Speaker 1: his oscar happened, it suddenly was like nope, his inboxes full,
Speaker 1: like doing other things with bigger people. It's cool because
Speaker 1: he's a Craig fan, which is kind of nuts. So
Speaker 1: he's messaged me about Craig, which is really cool. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm speaking out about Static always forever, I'm speaking
Speaker 1: out about Spy Family. So mom, I'm reading. That's super
Speaker 1: super good, highly recommend to anyone who likes manga. Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it, But did you say
Speaker 1: Spy Family? Yeah? I was just about to pick that
Speaker 1: one up. It's good. You should check it. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna spoil it, just okay, I think you'll like it. Well.
Speaker 1: On that Static shock, I have a whole I should
Speaker 1: send it to you so you can see what I
Speaker 1: was thinking. But I had a whole treat and I
Speaker 1: sent because I met with this production company that did
Speaker 1: all of the like at the time, like d C
Speaker 1: like on you know how they have their like platform
Speaker 1: and I sent like the static treatment, but it's like
Speaker 1: and it was one thing that like I was like,
Speaker 1: you have to meet with me if you if you
Speaker 1: do it, because there's one like, uh change I made.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I know, I know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about because in the you know, in the show,
Speaker 1: his um his father you know, was alive and his
Speaker 1: mom passed and she was like a paramedic, and then
Speaker 1: her father was a cop. And then I wanted to
Speaker 1: flip it where his mom is alive and then the
Speaker 1: father is a cop and then play with you know,
Speaker 1: police brutality that way instead of having like this cop
Speaker 1: on the show. That's like, you know, I'm one of
Speaker 1: the good ones, son So you know, it was just
Speaker 1: trying to trying to get dark and just so DC
Speaker 1: could be like, no, like we like all all this
Speaker 1: except this, um but yeah, that's tight um me. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm geeking out about you know, keeping keeping the theme straight. Uh,
Speaker 1: Spider Man Miles, Uh you know that that that was
Speaker 1: a super dope reveal, uh. And what a roller coaster
Speaker 1: because Sony open their mouth and said that it was
Speaker 1: just a DLC and and insomnia. Holo holol No, no,
Speaker 1: don't let Nope, Nope, they had to try. They have
Speaker 1: to stop that train because people were getting ready to
Speaker 1: light there. They have no light of up. They have
Speaker 1: to be like old. Nope, that is not true. It
Speaker 1: is a full game. It is aful So I'm super
Speaker 1: I'm super excited also because you know, by the looks
Speaker 1: on it, it's an older Miles, and I don't think
Speaker 1: we've really got to see much older Miles, like all
Speaker 1: the Miles of in high school. So I I that's
Speaker 1: that's the fun I am because there is like a
Speaker 1: fun in seeing teen teen Peter Parker and then adult
Speaker 1: Peter Parker. So I'm so excited to see what adult
Speaker 1: Miles is. And I pray, pray, pray they have black
Speaker 1: people on the writing team of Adult Miles. Yeah, I wanna.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use this as a side bar for um
Speaker 1: for video game writing, because there's something that's been scratching
Speaker 1: at the back of my head since, uh since I've
Speaker 1: played it. But um, Life is Strange to Life is
Speaker 1: Strange is really good, Uh, you know, narrative video game series,
Speaker 1: and Life is Strange too follows um a a half Mexican,
Speaker 1: half white um kid whose dad is killed by the
Speaker 1: cops and they're on the world. No, his dad is
Speaker 1: killed by a cop and his son like uh kills
Speaker 1: him and like like accidentally kills the cop trying to
Speaker 1: protect his dad, and they go on the run and
Speaker 1: the whole game. The way life is strange works is
Speaker 1: you make a series of decisions and like you get
Speaker 1: different um you get different uh endings based on how
Speaker 1: many quote unquote good or bad decisions you make, how
Speaker 1: many aggressive or passive ones you make, and the you know,
Speaker 1: I went through it totally in with my own emotions,
Speaker 1: with my own views on racism, and in the end
Speaker 1: still like had good relationships stuff throughout, But in the
Speaker 1: end I got the quote unquote bad ending in the
Speaker 1: sense that because I was I wasn't passive whenever there
Speaker 1: was a racist situation, Like if someone was racist, they
Speaker 1: got clapped, like like as simple as that, like it
Speaker 1: like and and and and and it wasn't even like
Speaker 1: I was just just cavalierly killing people. But if they
Speaker 1: were being racist and putting my life at risk because
Speaker 1: of it, I defended my I chose the chance to
Speaker 1: defend myself and not do that, and in the end
Speaker 1: you get the um the ending where like you go
Speaker 1: to Mexico. You make it because your whole the whole game,
Speaker 1: you're trying that You're coming from Seattle trying to go
Speaker 1: to Mexico because you know you have family down there,
Speaker 1: and in the end, if you do it that way,
Speaker 1: you make it to Mexico. But you're like these crime
Speaker 1: brothers who like have have like are like the boss
Speaker 1: and you're like the head of of of the crime thing.
Speaker 1: And then like the one I watched, all the endings
Speaker 1: and the good ending is that the brother has the
Speaker 1: older brother ends up you know, going to prison for
Speaker 1: that for that crime of accidentally killing the cop, coming
Speaker 1: out years later. And then the brother goes on a
Speaker 1: camping trip. He has like PTSD from being in prison
Speaker 1: and all the experiences they have, and then they then
Speaker 1: the him and his little brother go separate ways. So
Speaker 1: technically the bad ending is the only ending where the
Speaker 1: brothers are together. But that's like the one that's the
Speaker 1: the you know, marketed quote unquote bad ending. And I
Speaker 1: was like, this is how you know it was written
Speaker 1: by white people, because the only good option is turning
Speaker 1: yourself in, like you you, it just shows you how
Speaker 1: you view the police completely differently. For you to think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's the only way out is because the major final
Speaker 1: choice you make it and this is spoilers if you
Speaker 1: haven't played so go ahead, is you're at the boarder
Speaker 1: and there's this like social worker who's been working with
Speaker 1: you who's like, this is your last chance. You gotta stop.
Speaker 1: You choose to either ram through or you you get
Speaker 1: off the car and turn yourself in. And there and
Speaker 1: it's really cool because that it's not just two choices.
Speaker 1: If you were aggressive and all your choices and I
Speaker 1: learned this and I'm glad it didn't pick and you
Speaker 1: chose to turn yourself in based on my aggressive choices,
Speaker 1: he would have ran through and the older brother would
Speaker 1: have died, and then it would have been an ending
Speaker 1: where he kind of is in Mexico by himself holding
Speaker 1: it down. Uh. So, like your your choices, your actions also,
Speaker 1: you know, depend on how the outcome comes. But it
Speaker 1: still was like this is whack Like like I was like,
Speaker 1: you made so many good points about how like they
Speaker 1: were making really good points about you. I think it
Speaker 1: was such a good game for people to uh like
Speaker 1: you really can't do it, but you know, kind of
Speaker 1: give a short feeling of how racism feels and how
Speaker 1: it affects how you talk with people. And then in
Speaker 1: the end they just dropped the ball like that where
Speaker 1: it's like, but you still should turn your cop yourself
Speaker 1: into the cops. Also, sorry for taking the whole segment
Speaker 1: to have this combo. Oh I'm not geeking out about anything. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll just like give shout out actually to my friend
Speaker 1: Amanda Diebert who she just wrote her first ever a
Speaker 1: hundred and forty page graphic novel, which is for DC
Speaker 1: superhero girls. It's called Weird Science, just like on our
Speaker 1: Nerdy d C which we which you all kind of
Speaker 1: were mentioning. Um, yeah, so y'all can pick that up
Speaker 1: for people of all ages, but definitely, you know, get
Speaker 1: it to the younger crowd so they can they can
Speaker 1: be a part of STEM with our superhero overalls. Yeah. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, and sorry for blowing It's something that's really
Speaker 1: been on my mind. I think I'm just going to
Speaker 1: do a thread where I actually just fully go into it.
Speaker 1: But you should. Yeah, I mean there's so many times
Speaker 1: when you even on this podcast have had the discussion
Speaker 1: of times when we can tell that there were no
Speaker 1: writers of color, writers specifically culture, because we just wouldn't
Speaker 1: do that. You know, even different cultures are are separate,
Speaker 1: and so it's just like you can tell. And what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say is when you said I hope
Speaker 1: that there's writers on the game, I hope there's animators
Speaker 1: animate Like you know, black and POC. Animators are so
Speaker 1: limit like they're just not they're there and they're not
Speaker 1: given the opportunities in the same way. I think even
Speaker 1: in the studios that I've been involved with, it seems
Speaker 1: like you have to prove yourself. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: we say this all the time, but literally stories of
Speaker 1: people who were like lead story board artists for huge
Speaker 1: movies not being allowed to direct, like that's typically the
Speaker 1: next step, like just being told that they didn't pay
Speaker 1: their dues even though they've been there for a decade.
Speaker 1: It's something all of us, I think could vent about forever.
Speaker 1: But it's insane, the hoops and obstacles even to be
Speaker 1: an animator um on these properties. So again you'll see
Speaker 1: a black or brown um character, but then you look
Speaker 1: at the animators and they're all white, so it's it's
Speaker 1: a mess. I mean, the one thing I'll say about
Speaker 1: it is you can tell just how much diverse he
Speaker 1: has needed when you see when you hop into um,
Speaker 1: when you when you hop into a create a character
Speaker 1: and you and you stuck with you know, corn rows
Speaker 1: or apro terrible. You know. Yeah, it's always like you know,
Speaker 1: straight up ludicrous and too fast, too furious lovers. I
Speaker 1: wanted to say, not all Latina's have huge boobs either.
Speaker 1: This is every video game. Some of us are just
Speaker 1: a B plus and that's okay. Some of us have
Speaker 1: have thickness in other areas, which our thighs and our
Speaker 1: booty and not just up top. Some of us have both,
Speaker 1: but not all of us. Okay, representation matters. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: um Ted Turner, which if you are referencing and I
Speaker 1: feel like it's a really um popular famous name um
Speaker 1: is he actually got the his company from his dad
Speaker 1: who left him. He unfortunately committed suicide and Ted was
Speaker 1: left like trying to take over this this company, which
Speaker 1: was really fascinated because he ended up taking a lot
Speaker 1: of risks. So Ted actually sold off radio stations and
Speaker 1: bought a TV station. He bought w j r J
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, which eventually became w t B S, which
Speaker 1: had old movies, sports and cartoons. So Ted ended up
Speaker 1: launching CNN and it was a twenty four hour news channel,
Speaker 1: and that was wild to people at the time. People
Speaker 1: were like, why would we need to watch the news?
Speaker 1: But that formula for CNN ended up lending itself to
Speaker 1: Cartoon Network, which became a twenty four hour cartoon channel.
Speaker 1: So when Ted bought MGM, I mean he was just
Speaker 1: taking over. He got all of their cartoons. And then
Speaker 1: when he bought all the w B movies, he got
Speaker 1: all the cartoons from Warner Brothers. So that was like
Speaker 1: Bugs Bunny, all the Loony Tunes. So you can understand
Speaker 1: why he would need Those are hundreds of cartoons, right,
Speaker 1: hundreds of titles, and so that's why he was like,
Speaker 1: I need my own channel that just airs all of
Speaker 1: this property that I have, so a little bit more
Speaker 1: of the backstory, and he purchased Hanna Barbera and that
Speaker 1: was it, right. It was that they have Scooby Doo,
Speaker 1: they have Yogi Bear, they have the flint Stone Jet sins.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like all those old vintage cartoons. So
Speaker 1: this man was like the mastermind behind UH. And I
Speaker 1: watched UH. I watched an interview with him where he
Speaker 1: said adults watched cartoons too, because that was not commonly
Speaker 1: thought of several decades ago, and he said more people
Speaker 1: watch cartoons at night then CNN. So that is something
Speaker 1: he realized and was like, I'm going to need a
Speaker 1: channel that fully shows all the properties that I bought,
Speaker 1: all this money I put in UM. So that is
Speaker 1: the story of how Ted Turner started Cartoon Network. Wow,
Speaker 1: thank you uncle to hide ain't through. He was like,
Speaker 1: we in these tunes out, We're getting these tunes out.
Speaker 1: So getting the Cartoon Network the banger bar that Danny
Speaker 1: totally missed when she was like the Seeing News Network.
Speaker 1: And then he was able to start a twenty four
Speaker 1: hour car tune channel, Cartoon Network, Cartoon Network. But that's
Speaker 1: because I was saving it for you. If he for
Speaker 1: you on October one, which I know that you love
Speaker 1: finding out how long since you were born for Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have to get into that, but that is
Speaker 1: four years after me and Danny were born. In October UH,
Speaker 1: the Cartoon Network launched the finale of Tartakovsky's uh launched
Speaker 1: the finale of Tartakovsky's eighteen twelve or You're with the
Speaker 1: backdrop of cartoon explosions, followed by a special event called
Speaker 1: Droopy's Guy to the Cartoon Network, hosted by the MGM
Speaker 1: cartoon character Droopy, during which the first cartoon on the network,
Speaker 1: Rhapsody Rabbit, was shown. So that was that was real nice.
Speaker 1: Then the late Night Black and White showed early black
Speaker 1: and white cartoons mostly from the Fleshers Studios and Walter
Speaker 1: Lance like Witty the Woodpecker from the nineteen thirties and
Speaker 1: Merry Melodies and you know the classics, and then tune
Speaker 1: Heads would show three shorts with a similar theme provide
Speaker 1: trivia about the cartoons. There was also an afternoon cartoon
Speaker 1: block called high Noon Tunes, which was hosted by Cowboy
Speaker 1: hand Puppets. An example of the like simplicity and imagination
Speaker 1: of the network in its early years and the majority
Speaker 1: of the class cannimation was that that was the majority
Speaker 1: of the classic animation that was shown on Cartoon Network.
Speaker 1: No longer airs on a regular basis, but Tom and
Speaker 1: Jerry and Looney Tunes still aired and lasted until seventeen.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was run and so those running the
Speaker 1: classic tunes while they're developing some new heat. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: because Turner owned so many other channels, they could promote
Speaker 1: Cartoon Network on the other channels. Remember, they were going
Speaker 1: against Nicktoons. So Nicktoons, which we did our episode on,
Speaker 1: was heavily realizing this formula of having kind of weird
Speaker 1: experimental especially if you look at early Nicktoons, they really
Speaker 1: allowed their creators to be weird and gross, which is
Speaker 1: something that kind of came back but went away for
Speaker 1: for about a decade um. So they were starting to
Speaker 1: with a lot of the Cartoon Network commercials, they would
Speaker 1: add this weird, awkward like modern spin on the vintage
Speaker 1: cartoons and their first original show actually, so not just
Speaker 1: the Vintage cartoons. The first original show was The Moxie Show,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't really popular. So what a lot of
Speaker 1: people consider their first big show April fift Space Ghost
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. It was a top of the hand
Speaker 1: of bar They're a superhero. Uh. It was one of
Speaker 1: their most original programming ideas and really made them stand
Speaker 1: out like that set the tone then for the rest
Speaker 1: of the channel was kind of like, oh, there's something
Speaker 1: cool and funny an adult over here. Um, but did
Speaker 1: y'all watch Space Ghost Oh? Yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 1: big in a Space Ghost The brack was really funny, Uh,
Speaker 1: just what they turned into and just and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, I think my first introduction to like, you know,
Speaker 1: bits and though and like when characters, you know, when
Speaker 1: when just the idea of like, you know, what each
Speaker 1: character is going to do, how they're gonna react. And
Speaker 1: it was just so funny this concept that they really
Speaker 1: kind of I feel like, focused on the reality of
Speaker 1: of like what would it be like if this character
Speaker 1: was was you know, was was making this late night
Speaker 1: show with his enemies and and it was just my
Speaker 1: favorite the one. Yeah, I watched a lot of Space
Speaker 1: Gosts a little bit later because, um, I'm just slightly
Speaker 1: younger than you guys. I was far in nine four,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't allowed to watch Space Ghosts despite my
Speaker 1: protests now, but I do remember eventually watching Space Goals
Speaker 1: and one of the things, uh, that is really interesting
Speaker 1: about it is they would premiere other shows on there
Speaker 1: that would later become Cartoon Network shows. The first time
Speaker 1: we see the Powerpuff Girls is on Space Goals, Um,
Speaker 1: which is kind of crazy, and they had a different
Speaker 1: title that I don't think I can say on this
Speaker 1: program because it's not eg but you know, like Space
Speaker 1: Goals is also like such a weird show that really
Speaker 1: does change the kind of tone of Cartoon Network going forward,
Speaker 1: because it's so what if we took this old property
Speaker 1: and just made him a talk show host? Is the
Speaker 1: weirdest thing in the world. But also like so many
Speaker 1: people who worked on that would go on to work
Speaker 1: on other things that we're going to get into. So
Speaker 1: I don't want to like spoil anything, but you know,
Speaker 1: Aquitine hunger for his fans and so on. This kind
Speaker 1: of all starts here. Yeah, oh so great. Um, speaking
Speaker 1: of getting into we have to take a really quick
Speaker 1: break and then we are going to hop down nostalgia. Leine,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited talking about those huge properties that the
Speaker 1: cartoon cartoon time of Cartoon Network. Right after this and
Speaker 1: we're back, we're walking. I wanted to say something, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I also couldn't watch Space Ghost. What the heck like
Speaker 1: that was like when Lion King came out. I was
Speaker 1: like barely allowed to watch Lion King, not like in
Speaker 1: our fifties, even if you are a listener in your
Speaker 1: fifties high Hello, we love you. Um, I know, it's
Speaker 1: what's so funny? Is uh? That's kind of the nugget
Speaker 1: that was dropped here just kind of watching it is.
Speaker 1: The Space Ghost was a Cartoon Network show originally, but
Speaker 1: I think most people attributed to Adult Swim because Adult
Speaker 1: Swim started re airing it. I think that's when I
Speaker 1: got into it, because it ran until I could see myself,
Speaker 1: like ninety nine the the end the end kind of
Speaker 1: era is probably when I kind of came in, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was running that long. I'm actually
Speaker 1: really surprised because to to me, well technically, it kind
Speaker 1: of was. I always felt Cartoon Network was around my
Speaker 1: whole life. I didn't realize it started it kind of
Speaker 1: not that long ago. You know, I'm older than Cartoon
Speaker 1: Network and I if you would have asked me that
Speaker 1: before this episode, I would have been like, no, this
Speaker 1: it's been around, just like Nickelodeon. But no, uh no,
Speaker 1: Cartoon Network was like, nah, we got this. I couldn't really,
Speaker 1: I didn't really watch it till the odds, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think I watched TVZ until like two thousand or
Speaker 1: something like I don't because I was watching like Rugrats
Speaker 1: since stuff like I was still too young, I think
Speaker 1: to watch some of the stuff on. This also depends
Speaker 1: on when you got cable. Yeah, but it's it's also
Speaker 1: very interesting to how you had it challenged the medium,
Speaker 1: because you know, we did. We never really talked about
Speaker 1: how our kind of relationship with Cartoon Network, but I
Speaker 1: definitely know that Cartoon Network always had a different voice
Speaker 1: to me than Nickelodeon for the longest, and Nickelodeon I
Speaker 1: was really watching just their live action shows. I wasn't
Speaker 1: really messing with their cartoons like your Alex Mac You're
Speaker 1: all that, Like that's what I was really getting from Nickelodeon.
Speaker 1: And then Cartoon Network was where I wanted the cartoons
Speaker 1: like Dexter's Lab and power Puff Girls, and it really
Speaker 1: they kind of had They were kind of the for
Speaker 1: lack of a better worth, the edgier of the cartoon giants.
Speaker 1: But then I think there's somewhere along the line Nickelodeon
Speaker 1: kind of figured it out, and that's when you had
Speaker 1: them making things like Adventure Time, which uh that that's
Speaker 1: a Nickelodeon Cartoon Network network. Okay, whether which one is
Speaker 1: the there's one. It's very similar. What am I thinking of?
Speaker 1: Let me see. You know it's interesting is that Nickelodeon
Speaker 1: produced the pilot for Adventure Time decided not to keep it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: network bought it and they did it. They I will say,
Speaker 1: as I'm friends with a lot of animators, and uh,
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon has taken a lot of els like that. A
Speaker 1: Loudhouse is definitely like a show that definitely has a
Speaker 1: a a cartoon network vibe even almost style. You know,
Speaker 1: uh a zim which I would have totally believed was
Speaker 1: a if you would have told me it was, that
Speaker 1: was a Nickelodeon show. Um, But like their shows that
Speaker 1: I kind of definitely was like, that's a nick show.
Speaker 1: Is like a fairly odd Parents where it's still like
Speaker 1: trying to like really leaning on the family wholesomeness and
Speaker 1: all this where cartoon networks kind of like almost in
Speaker 1: the void. It almost feels like it's our voice, even
Speaker 1: though you know, we know it's adults doing it, but
Speaker 1: they're like we you know they we're gonna do some
Speaker 1: wild things. You know. It's it's yeah to me. On
Speaker 1: the on the spectrum, you have Disney. On the right,
Speaker 1: you have This isn't political. I'm just saying you have
Speaker 1: the right. You have Nick in the Middle, and you
Speaker 1: have Cartoon Network on. Yes, I would totally agree with
Speaker 1: that from being weird and allowing so Invader Zim is
Speaker 1: another one where they took an l because they canceled it.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let him do what he I think we
Speaker 1: covered that in our nicktoons, but he was like, if
Speaker 1: you're not gonna let me do and and brilliant, very
Speaker 1: funny show, if you're not gonna let me make my
Speaker 1: show the way I want that, I'm just not going
Speaker 1: to give you my show at all. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: especially you know it's because you know, we like like
Speaker 1: Zim was already kind of pushing that edge of what
Speaker 1: a Nick show can do, and I think that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's they're like, no, we gotta But also it's
Speaker 1: funny knowing that this is also the same company that
Speaker 1: did things like rock O's Mom Life and Rent and
Speaker 1: Stimpy and then somewhere they just took a full one
Speaker 1: eight and just like, we're not going to do that
Speaker 1: type of weird stuff anymore. I think until we got
Speaker 1: to see and I think this is maybe possibly taking
Speaker 1: from the early rent and stimpy slash. How successful um
Speaker 1: Cartoon Network was was SpongeBob. SpongeBob but brought back that
Speaker 1: intense close animated shots that are really disgusting and like
Speaker 1: being weird and gross and having bad breath and boogers
Speaker 1: and all of that. Um So, but you're right there.
Speaker 1: Do you definitely see more of that on Cartoon Network,
Speaker 1: Which is kind of funny because it's like that's kids humor,
Speaker 1: Like they're gross and they're weird and they find like
Speaker 1: dead animals and stuff, and um so, so let's hop
Speaker 1: into are the big ones that we grew up with.
Speaker 1: In in we had what a cartoon? Which feels so old?
Speaker 1: That sounds so old coming out of my mouth, But
Speaker 1: it was essentially it was essentially for UM. It gave
Speaker 1: a lot of our histic freedom for animators and creators.
Speaker 1: It was shorts. Actually, it was a segment of shorts
Speaker 1: that would be featured on Cartoon Network to kind of
Speaker 1: gauge how good they did and if they could be
Speaker 1: shows on their own. So that's where we had Dexter's Laboratory.
Speaker 1: We had Powerpuff Girls, we had Johnny Bravo, we had
Speaker 1: Couraged the cowardly Dog. These all were shorts. They actually,
Speaker 1: if you have to send this to you had an
Speaker 1: early version of Family Guy not even kidding. It's a
Speaker 1: bald Peter who's older. It's voiced by um Seth McFarlane
Speaker 1: and he's like picking up a dog at the pound
Speaker 1: who's Brian. It's insane. Apparently they passed on that, which
Speaker 1: also like, isn't entirely their brand. Uh, definitely feels more
Speaker 1: like where it landed Fox and the Simpsons and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But Canny can't even can't even believe, you know, it
Speaker 1: would be like a different show that would have been
Speaker 1: if it was on Cartoon Network, you know, like like
Speaker 1: like it would it just would be a whole different
Speaker 1: the whole different beast. I was about to say, um Quagmire.
Speaker 1: I was like, we definitely don't need Quagmire on Cartoon Network,
Speaker 1: but then we have Johnny Bravo, so I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: shut up. Yeah, I mean, Seth actually worked on Johnny Bravo,
Speaker 1: I believe makes a lot of sense, makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. But Jeff, out of those like ones that
Speaker 1: I named were the ones that were like hute that
Speaker 1: you really watched on too. We also ended up having
Speaker 1: after that edit and Eddie and you know, um, my
Speaker 1: big one was I loved Johnny Bravo, I love power Puff.
Speaker 1: My big one was Dexter. I'm actually wearing a Dexter shirt.
Speaker 1: Like that was the show that the one show I
Speaker 1: kind of would like really make sure to like jump
Speaker 1: over to Cartoon Network to watch because I was watching
Speaker 1: a lot of Keenan and Kale and other stuff from
Speaker 1: Nickelodeon UM. And I remember like Dexter used to premiere
Speaker 1: like seven o'clock on Fridays, and I remember like watching
Speaker 1: it with my dad. There's like a musical episode where
Speaker 1: they kind it's kind of Michael Jackson inspired, but like
Speaker 1: that was my show because I don't know that the
Speaker 1: humor really like stood up to me. And I watched
Speaker 1: it on HBO Max recently and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is still very funny, you know, like very simplistic
Speaker 1: of like this is Dexter. He's making something, his sister
Speaker 1: breaks it, reprints, repete, you know, over and over, but
Speaker 1: it's still like super interesting and funny. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: that's what made Dexter such a hit was the layers
Speaker 1: to it. Because you had the layer of like he's
Speaker 1: this mad scientist making things, but you had that like
Speaker 1: very simple, easy to understand kid level thing of always
Speaker 1: feeling like your siblings are getting in the way and
Speaker 1: messing your stuff up. I remember I used to love
Speaker 1: like that relationship because my d D reminded me of
Speaker 1: my sister. It's like, yeah, you always miss my stuff up,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're breaking my stuff. And it was
Speaker 1: just fun to see him just, uh, you know, just
Speaker 1: try these new things and they just always pushed the
Speaker 1: boundaries of like what his tricks would do. And uh,
Speaker 1: it was a solid opening for Cartoon Network because I
Speaker 1: was definitely watching that. I loved Johnny Bravo. That was
Speaker 1: like the first person character I tried to like impersonate
Speaker 1: with the voice, Like I was so sure I did
Speaker 1: a good Johnny Bravo, Like I told all my friends
Speaker 1: and all I would say is Johnny Bravo. That's all
Speaker 1: I would say. But I was like, uh, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was perfectly Yeah, what was Johnny Bravo in here? Um?
Speaker 1: For me, it was my girls a power Puff power
Speaker 1: Puff Girls Mojo Jojo. I mean like I was just him,
Speaker 1: which I saw someone cause playing as Um. I just
Speaker 1: loved the concept of this show also combined kind of
Speaker 1: like that anime style for those of us that were,
Speaker 1: you know, um getting into anime at the time. And um,
Speaker 1: I think also just having these three girls that were
Speaker 1: so different. Um, I definitely definitely felt like I was
Speaker 1: Buttercup like im if he knows this about me? And
Speaker 1: very type A. So I was like, she's the leader,
Speaker 1: she's the type A, She's like you know. Um. They
Speaker 1: also had different monsters every week like that to me
Speaker 1: is really even just looking from an animated standpoint, Um,
Speaker 1: I I loved all the colors, Like I just it
Speaker 1: was such a for me. It just embodied who I
Speaker 1: was at that time, in elementary school to middle school
Speaker 1: and so that was like one of my favorite and
Speaker 1: just seeing girls beat up people. Yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a solid show. And this was Craig McCracken,
Speaker 1: who who like before that, worked on Two Stupids Dogs,
Speaker 1: Space Ghost, Coast to Coast. He had an appearance as himself,
Speaker 1: uh you know he did. He was on you know
Speaker 1: what a cartoon obviously on Dexter's Lab, so he was
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, one of one of cartoon
Speaker 1: networks guys and h you went on to EP Regular Show, writer,
Speaker 1: storyboard artist for Chowder uh and uh. And his next
Speaker 1: kind of big thing after that, which I remember being great,
Speaker 1: was Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. So so Craig, you know,
Speaker 1: definitely one of those folks who who was knocked it
Speaker 1: out of the park. I was, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: he also ePAT the pilot of Regular Show as well.
Speaker 1: So so that was and we had all of those
Speaker 1: Dexter and Powerpuff Girls and whatnot. And if we had
Speaker 1: a spaceship, we had a robot named Tom, and we
Speaker 1: had five hours anime programming. I don't even want to
Speaker 1: go I don't even want to go too long into
Speaker 1: this because it's gonna have to be its whole own episode.
Speaker 1: This will be its own episode. Two Unami launched, and
Speaker 1: that was that. That just pretty much I think that
Speaker 1: brought the everyone to to Cartoon Network, like like it
Speaker 1: was through the power of wea biness that we had
Speaker 1: everyone there. Because that's how that's how I kind of
Speaker 1: caught onto some shows that maybe weren't on my radar.
Speaker 1: Was you get to Tunami a little earlier and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: what's this thing going on? Like if you prepared as
Speaker 1: the opener for Tunami. You're in for some good traffic
Speaker 1: because you you didn't because Tsunami was such an event
Speaker 1: that even the interstitial stuff you wanted to see, like
Speaker 1: all the like back and forth with Tom and seeing
Speaker 1: what he has to say. So you were there early.
Speaker 1: So so if you were, if you were a a
Speaker 1: pre Twunami show, you definitely had eyes on you. We
Speaker 1: had so, Jeff, I don't know what you um. I
Speaker 1: know everyone knows what my favorite thing in Tunami is,
Speaker 1: but we had Sailor Moon DBZ. Voltron Reboot also ended
Speaker 1: up having Gundam Wing. I'm sure Tenchi Muyo later. Um,
Speaker 1: was there a specific anime that you were tuning into for?
Speaker 1: To me? Um, what's to no? No, I'm kidding. I
Speaker 1: loved Reboot. Reboot was my big show. That was the
Speaker 1: first one I really got into. But I think we
Speaker 1: all know where this is going, and it's Dragon Ball Z. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I might. I have an interesting thing with Dragon Ball
Speaker 1: Zy where my friend was trying to get me to
Speaker 1: watch it forever and I was like, I have no interest,
Speaker 1: And the episode I finally watched it is, in hindsight,
Speaker 1: probably the least interesting episode of the series. It's when
Speaker 1: they're on the way to Dynamic and they run into
Speaker 1: that ship Krillin and Boma and Gohan. No it's not
Speaker 1: the one, because that would be hilarious. Um, they running, well,
Speaker 1: they run into the ship of like it's like Little Boys.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a Robin or not rob like
Speaker 1: a Peter Pan situation in space. And I think they're
Speaker 1: trying to like take uh you know, Sea Fighter Team's ship.
Speaker 1: And I was just enamored because I had never seen
Speaker 1: anything like it, you know, and literally did. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know who Gohan was, who Goku was. My first
Speaker 1: introduces to the show is Gohan and Krylin. So um yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know what have happened. If I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen that episode, if I'd be like some giant
Speaker 1: nerd who doesn't know about Dragon Bozzy, and that would
Speaker 1: be sacrilegious. Oh yeah, I mean. Well, one thing I
Speaker 1: want to go back and correct, which I totally did
Speaker 1: forget about, was we we saw tom in when it
Speaker 1: launched in we had space ghost villain Maltar running the ship.
Speaker 1: It was him first, you know, pulling on the on
Speaker 1: the ones and twos to drop these uh these these
Speaker 1: little these cartoons for us, and I do, I do
Speaker 1: remember that, but it's so it was such a small
Speaker 1: piece of time because Tom is Tom. You don't think
Speaker 1: of tonam without thinking Tom. But we doubt. I do
Speaker 1: want to put the little respec on Multar for pulling
Speaker 1: them and the levers to get us these animals right
Speaker 1: uh right up top, you know, because it was it was,
Speaker 1: it was good. Yeah. I didn't join and I think
Speaker 1: until Tom was yeah yeah, because when like launched with
Speaker 1: ThunderCats cartoon uh Roulette, which had like different old school
Speaker 1: cartoons mixed in Voltron and Johnny quest so and then
Speaker 1: the next year is when it went uh full anime.
Speaker 1: So the first year was a wash. I probably didn't
Speaker 1: even watch that the first year. The second year is
Speaker 1: ten years. We are ten years old at this point, Danny,
Speaker 1: is when we jumped over and we had Robotech, Beast Wars, Transformers,
Speaker 1: Sailor Moon, Dragon Ball Z, and Super Friends and that
Speaker 1: is that. Now that is a lineup that is an
Speaker 1: unbeatable lineup. And then we had in reboot Roman Wars
Speaker 1: and power Puff Girls and then two thousand one of
Speaker 1: the most I feel like slept on because I just
Speaker 1: for some reason. This anime is just the design. The
Speaker 1: idea of it was always tight g Force, Guardians of
Speaker 1: Space Mobile Suit, Gundham Wing, Batman animated series, Tinchy Mullo,
Speaker 1: Tinci Universe, Tinchi in Tokyo Blue Summer Number. This was
Speaker 1: the era where there was way too many Tinchy shows.
Speaker 1: I remember this. I was like, why why are there
Speaker 1: so many Tinchy shows? Because like one was like an
Speaker 1: actually like an actual like Samurai anime, and then there
Speaker 1: was one that it felt like it was all about
Speaker 1: the girls being horny for him, Like, uh, I don't
Speaker 1: know which one, but it was wild? Um which one?
Speaker 1: Did you? Uh? Well, I don't, you know. I think
Speaker 1: everyone knows. Everyone knows. But it's so funny because looking
Speaker 1: at these lineups, I remember getting them all and it's
Speaker 1: so funny because we talked about this a ton of
Speaker 1: times with dragon Ball Z, the the ever looping, never
Speaker 1: being able to finish it, because in two thousand one
Speaker 1: is when they showed dragon Ball after they ran dragon
Speaker 1: Ball Z. So they showed dragon Ball after dragon Ball Z.
Speaker 1: But this, I think, damn, I think this is the one.
Speaker 1: This is this is the year two thousand one. You
Speaker 1: had Outlast Star Big Oh, Card Captor, Sucura, Uh Mobile Suit, Gundam,
Speaker 1: the eight MS Team and War in the Pocket, Zoid's
Speaker 1: Batman Beyond and dragon Ball, And that might be one
Speaker 1: of the hardest years. I like, we might have to
Speaker 1: do a poll and see which one everyone like. If
Speaker 1: only the show is listed, what's the year you're taking,
Speaker 1: Because this really does feel like one of those house
Speaker 1: memes because the it's it's great and it's truly sorry.
Speaker 1: I might we gotta keep going because I'll get lost
Speaker 1: into Nami. That was an era that is the foundations
Speaker 1: of I would say, the foundations of the career I
Speaker 1: sit on right now. Yes, that gave me my NERD credit.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's animal Yeah I I I push
Speaker 1: everyone to go through and look at those lines, because
Speaker 1: it was like I was going back into my couch
Speaker 1: every time I was reading these names. Because some you're
Speaker 1: even forgetting. You're like, oh, yeah, I was watching Battle
Speaker 1: and do not me. Oh I love I love being
Speaker 1: a nerve. We have to take a really quick break.
Speaker 1: But then next up m hm, we got when he
Speaker 1: was talking about how a lot of adults watching these cartoons,
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Adults Swim right after this, and
Speaker 1: we're back, So we're hopping forward a little bit, uh
Speaker 1: to two thousand and one. Sundays at ten pm, we
Speaker 1: have Adult Swim. Now, if y'all remember, um the commercials
Speaker 1: for this, do you remember it was like a bunch
Speaker 1: of elderly people like coping into the pool and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So this was mature content for older audiences, which if
Speaker 1: you're a kid, there's no way you're turning the challenge. Wait,
Speaker 1: you're turning in the channel if you if it was
Speaker 1: the perfect marketing because you're gonna sit there a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids and be like, all right, y'all gotta turn
Speaker 1: now because it's about to be for the don't you
Speaker 1: were like the hell I am? Uh? They had re runs, anime,
Speaker 1: more anime that we couldn't technically watch on two Nami,
Speaker 1: a lot of sketch comedy, and it kind of created
Speaker 1: its own brand which still holds up today. Like I
Speaker 1: think Adult Swim is considered you know, when I think
Speaker 1: of the Adult Swim exhibit at Comic Con every year,
Speaker 1: it's like kind of although it's a part of Cartoon Network,
Speaker 1: it has it definitely is its own brand and own style. Um. Yeah, yeah, Jeff,
Speaker 1: So do you remember like some of the original thing.
Speaker 1: Were you watching Adult Swim at this time at two
Speaker 1: thousand and one where you allowed to watching it. I
Speaker 1: was the mature age of eleven, and I was ready
Speaker 1: to watch Aquittine Hunger for Yeah. I think Family Guy
Speaker 1: might No, Family Guy wasn't there yet, but I know
Speaker 1: I was watching Aquutines. Um geez. I think Baby Blues
Speaker 1: was on the first season. Uh, what do they have?
Speaker 1: Home movies? Movies movies? We thought that was so gross
Speaker 1: and weird. My brothers and I would watch that. I
Speaker 1: was Yeah, I was very off put by the style
Speaker 1: of home movies because I was so used to like, oh,
Speaker 1: so this is is this occurred? What is this doctor
Speaker 1: Cats coming out? Cats? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. If
Speaker 1: you're the one thing that always stands out to me
Speaker 1: about home movies is, um, I forgot the little scruffy kids.
Speaker 1: But he was like, yeah, my mom says, I have
Speaker 1: cradle cap and he opens up. Do you remember that scene?
Speaker 1: Every kid people at home are listening to this, Like,
Speaker 1: I remember that he opened up his hair and you
Speaker 1: can see it like on his scalp, his name, and um,
Speaker 1: that is what stands out for me about movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, they Adult Swim is interesting and this
Speaker 1: is another thing that would probably get its own episode,
Speaker 1: but because it was interesting seeing Adults Swim fall into
Speaker 1: its voice, because it really definitely even from the beginning,
Speaker 1: you could tell they had they slowly started like having
Speaker 1: those bumps where they would say a little snarky things,
Speaker 1: and then they just went to the all black and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, oh, what was this all about?
Speaker 1: And then they're just having a combo with the audience
Speaker 1: leading into things, and it was almost like, in a
Speaker 1: weird way, they just kind of took the two Nami
Speaker 1: formula and they're like, oh, we're just we're just kind
Speaker 1: of like between bumps, talk to the audience before we
Speaker 1: jump into stuff, but make it more adult snark humor.
Speaker 1: And they and it seems like they really knocked it
Speaker 1: out the part because people really just was vibing with it.
Speaker 1: And then they started adding like flying Lotus and its
Speaker 1: music in the back. It was yeah, Adult Swim really
Speaker 1: grew into It's it's always cool to see something find
Speaker 1: its voice and then like stick with it, and it
Speaker 1: was and they they were holding it down, you know,
Speaker 1: you had Adults Swim. They were kind of they eventually
Speaker 1: slowly started taking the brunt of Tonami up until uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Tunami was running like up until like two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, and then like then it was on
Speaker 1: Adult Swim and they had the Anime block and that,
Speaker 1: and then in two thousand twelve they brought to Nami back.
Speaker 1: Uh so let's a and and and and they're going
Speaker 1: hard with this. It's so funny because like I felt
Speaker 1: the big oh too oh yeah, the weird second series though,
Speaker 1: like I I always had like like all the stuff
Speaker 1: they're showing on onto on the new two Namie, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm watching it on your crunchy roll and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Because it's so funny that anime is
Speaker 1: so accessible now. I mean, there's still nothing like watching
Speaker 1: it for free if your parents have cable or if
Speaker 1: you're under age and can't have a million streaming apps,
Speaker 1: but it is like cool to see like just what
Speaker 1: is kind of blowing up and it seems like what
Speaker 1: the smart thing that Tunami is still doing is really
Speaker 1: knocking out those like shown in anime that are popping
Speaker 1: because all these you know, fire Force, you know, you
Speaker 1: got my Hero, Demon Slayer Joe Joe, like, those are
Speaker 1: the ones everyone's talking about anyway, So the kids are
Speaker 1: still in on it. Kids are still in I think
Speaker 1: to just getting to see because we know some of
Speaker 1: those voice actors, at least for the English dub, so
Speaker 1: I think just getting to see them in the stylized
Speaker 1: Cartoon Network slash Tunami commercials, which were always super famous.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites that I think everyone remembers from
Speaker 1: Tunami was when they were um Future Trunks, when they're
Speaker 1: advertising Future Trunks and it's him slashing through the screen um.
Speaker 1: And so even now with one punch Man or Dragon
Speaker 1: Ball Super when they had it on there, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's still on their replaying, although I wouldn't
Speaker 1: doubt it. Um is is it's funny to get to
Speaker 1: have that, like um those quick cuts of like a
Speaker 1: very popular Tunami, like the style of Tunami commercials that
Speaker 1: they would do to promote. One thing I did want
Speaker 1: to bring up is in two thousand and six, Cartoon
Speaker 1: Network actually had its first live action movie, which was reanimated.
Speaker 1: It was very much in this style. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw this, um if you're Jeff, but it
Speaker 1: was in the style of Who Framed Roger rabbit Ish,
Speaker 1: where it's like live action and the cartoons end up
Speaker 1: turning into a show which was called Jimmy's Head Show
Speaker 1: Out of Jimmy's Head. Yeah, yeah, um, but yeah. It
Speaker 1: was kind of controversial because they started to go in
Speaker 1: that direction of having more which we still see kind
Speaker 1: of on adults women stuff, is having humans, and I
Speaker 1: think that was kind of upsetting for some people that
Speaker 1: were just like, no, this is cartoons only. Um, but
Speaker 1: you even had on Space Coast there would be human guests. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people were scared that
Speaker 1: this was going to turn into like what Nickelodeon is
Speaker 1: or Disney, which is half and half. Um. I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't want that too to happen.
Speaker 1: So I remember now now looking at it, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't totally remember reanimated and out of Jimmy's Head. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was people are like, oh, it's a cartoon network.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but it's still cartoon adjacent in
Speaker 1: their defense, but you know, and this is like well
Speaker 1: after two thousand and four, when they kind of rebranded
Speaker 1: and had their originals only thing going on, and that's
Speaker 1: when you had Mega's XLR Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends
Speaker 1: and Hi, Hi Puffy Mommy. You MEI who I had
Speaker 1: the biggest crush on? I was, I was, I was
Speaker 1: all in. I was ready to go. I was like
Speaker 1: taking me to Tokyo. I'm about to go out there
Speaker 1: and meet him. Um it was. I was deep in.
Speaker 1: Uh they were and it was in Papiami. Umi was
Speaker 1: the this Japanese popra duo and they and it was
Speaker 1: that perfect uh, that that style of where where they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we kind of have a little street style, but also
Speaker 1: we're like fun and they they were. It's they were
Speaker 1: just like super super big. And then they had a
Speaker 1: show and in the US that kind of uh really
Speaker 1: we were like okay, who are these and then we
Speaker 1: kind of knew him as though. The people who did
Speaker 1: the intro to Teen Titans and we're like, okay, well
Speaker 1: y'all did that. We messing with you that that intro
Speaker 1: did slap. I would be remiss slash. Also not wanting
Speaker 1: to get hate mail if we don't bring up Samurai Jack.
Speaker 1: Don't put some respect on Samurai Jack. I think all
Speaker 1: of us watched it, I you know, that animation style,
Speaker 1: classic animation style, so recognizable. UM also wanted to give
Speaker 1: a shout out to Billy and Mandy. A lot of
Speaker 1: people repped Billy and Mandy. Yeah. Um, but now, Jeff,
Speaker 1: we're kind of approaching you'll or the current present day
Speaker 1: cartoon network, UM, which we have Craig of the Creek,
Speaker 1: which we said is is nominated for an Emmy. UM,
Speaker 1: how do you feel? I mean, I feel like y'all
Speaker 1: have been groundbreaking, like literally groundbreaking at this channel, but
Speaker 1: also an animation. Do you feel like there is a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure on the show to two you know,
Speaker 1: I just I'm curious, like as a creator and and
Speaker 1: being groundbreaking what that means as far as artistic freedom
Speaker 1: for Craig of the Creek. Huh. I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of pressure in the sense
Speaker 1: of wanting to do things that need to be done
Speaker 1: and doing them correctly, you know, like because we're following
Speaker 1: like Stephen Universe and Clearance and a lot of other
Speaker 1: shows that were able to like really inform and really
Speaker 1: I think help like just you know, show people like
Speaker 1: that people are different and who people love are different,
Speaker 1: or people's skin color is different, and you know, like
Speaker 1: these are characters you can like and empathize with and
Speaker 1: see yourself in. And I know that's something that we
Speaker 1: really wanted to do on CREG just from day one. Um,
Speaker 1: I think we've done a fine job so far of
Speaker 1: just really like trying to make things as the verse
Speaker 1: as we can. But we're always pushing that envelope. We're
Speaker 1: always trying to make sure that like people are addressing
Speaker 1: characters the way they should be, you know, if somebody
Speaker 1: is non binary, or addressing them by the proper pronouns
Speaker 1: and stuff, because that's stuff super important and it's super
Speaker 1: important to instill that into kids now, Like you know, Um,
Speaker 1: I think that the better we are and like really
Speaker 1: hitting those things and really showing that, like there's gonna
Speaker 1: be different types of people that you're going to encounter,
Speaker 1: and they are no less valid than anyone else. Everyone
Speaker 1: is at this together. All these kids play harmoniously, and
Speaker 1: all these kids appreciate each other and love each other,
Speaker 1: and that's something that so many people need to do. Um.
Speaker 1: So I guess there's a pressure in it, but I
Speaker 1: think it's the societal pressure that everyone has. I think
Speaker 1: that you know, I'm not under any more pressure than
Speaker 1: you or if you or anyone else. It's just we
Speaker 1: want to make sure that we have this platform and
Speaker 1: we're using it properly. And I think that's one of
Speaker 1: the ways we can do it. Um. I you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of eyes on the show, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to make sure that we're getting the
Speaker 1: best message out that we can. Yeah, I think of
Speaker 1: when I think of my friend Laula, who does a
Speaker 1: Costa grandees Over, which is a spinoff of Loudhouse. Um,
Speaker 1: this Chicano Family. For me, it's just kind of I
Speaker 1: think pressure in like if this doesn't do well, like
Speaker 1: when will we get this again? You know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like what we're talking about, Like we just don't
Speaker 1: get to really have a lot of animators and creators
Speaker 1: of color that are getting to as many risks. So
Speaker 1: I guess it is cool that it's at Cartoon Network
Speaker 1: because it does feel like a channel that has dived
Speaker 1: into risks like and I think that is why a
Speaker 1: lot of these are so successful, is because they let
Speaker 1: their creators take big swings um, and a lot of
Speaker 1: those payoff. But are there, um speaking as the head
Speaker 1: writer writing, are there shows that have influenced your style.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean taking it back to something I
Speaker 1: brought up earlier was Static Shock. That was a very
Speaker 1: important show to me for so many reasons as a kid,
Speaker 1: but also like they pushed the envelope a lot, and
Speaker 1: they did things about race, and they did things about
Speaker 1: like gun violence and so many things that we're still
Speaker 1: dealing with today, which it seems kind of taboo to
Speaker 1: bring up in cartoons for kids now, and they were
Speaker 1: doing it, you know, twenty years ago, and I know
Speaker 1: that stuff really affecting me and it helped me learn
Speaker 1: and I think that when we get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: kind of teach kids, that that's something that we need
Speaker 1: to do. So um, there's that's been a big influence
Speaker 1: for me. Also in the sense of like seeing a
Speaker 1: black lead. That wasn't the thing I saw a lot.
Speaker 1: It was always like you're the sidekick, you're the gero,
Speaker 1: you're the nerd or the whatever, you know, like, and
Speaker 1: that was something really important to us when doing Craig
Speaker 1: is like, Craig is the lead, and he's not just
Speaker 1: the nerd or the athlete or the you know what.
Speaker 1: He's just a kid and everybody can just be a kid.
Speaker 1: You don't have to have all these like, you know,
Speaker 1: different pressures on you. So that's um for us. That's
Speaker 1: like the big thing that we're thinking of. That's the
Speaker 1: big thing that I'm always thinking of going into these stories.
Speaker 1: It's just how can we make sure that, like this
Speaker 1: show needs to speak to everyone, and yes, it needs
Speaker 1: to speak to black people, and yes it does, I think,
Speaker 1: and we should feel represented, but it also needs to
Speaker 1: speak to everyone so they know that, you know, we're
Speaker 1: all just people, you know. Yeah, feel that. I feel that.
Speaker 1: I feel that I have a couple more questions. Unless
Speaker 1: you have some questions. If he no, no, you can
Speaker 1: go ask away. Well. As far as creators breaking into
Speaker 1: this space, there's no one way to do it. I
Speaker 1: know we all have like stumbled into not stumbled, but
Speaker 1: like have different avenues that we have created for ourselves
Speaker 1: in order to get to where we are. Is there
Speaker 1: any advice that you give to young creators that are
Speaker 1: like listening. I feel like we have a lot of
Speaker 1: people that are trying to come up in the industry
Speaker 1: right now that listen to Iffy Nice show. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's any advice that you could give them. Oh,
Speaker 1: man um even just basic. Yeah, it's tough because, like
Speaker 1: you said, there's so many different ways I think. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, the basic answer is always like practice and
Speaker 1: right and practice your craft, and I think that's important.
Speaker 1: But a lot of it is experiences. You know, like
Speaker 1: a lot of times your experiences reflect your writing or
Speaker 1: reflect your art style. And it's very easy to fall
Speaker 1: into a run. I know for me, especially in working
Speaker 1: on stories, it's very easy to like come to it
Speaker 1: from I have this background and this is how I'd
Speaker 1: approached it. And sometimes you need those different experiences to
Speaker 1: fully realize things. You have to be open, you have
Speaker 1: to talk to people. You can't just assume that like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write this story and uh, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: the Samoan character. I know nothing about Samoan people. So
Speaker 1: like put in the work and learn the experiences and
Speaker 1: try to reflect that in your story. But also like,
Speaker 1: don't feel like you can't be yourself and what you're
Speaker 1: working on too, Like you really need to infuse yourself
Speaker 1: because that's what you're selling. You're selling your experience as
Speaker 1: well as what you think other experiences are from your own,
Speaker 1: like you know, going out there and learning and experiencing
Speaker 1: different people's lives. I think also for me, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you feel this way too if he is like
Speaker 1: not getting pigeonholed. Like, so, as a writer, you know,
Speaker 1: the show that I sold was about my trauma like
Speaker 1: experience in mental health care system. But I don't want
Speaker 1: to just be the trauma comedy writer. I realized that
Speaker 1: a lot of people were hitting me up to like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is about mental health and this show
Speaker 1: is about mental health, and I'm like, that's great. I
Speaker 1: kind of just want to write a superhero show, you know.
Speaker 1: I kind of just so the next thing that I'm
Speaker 1: doing right now is an animated property that like doesn't
Speaker 1: deal with hate crimes and doesn't deal with like you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of just like not not saying that you
Speaker 1: can't do both. That's what I'm saying, is like don't
Speaker 1: It's kind of like what you were saying, like no, no,
Speaker 1: like your voice, but also know that that's not the
Speaker 1: only story that you can tell. And so I was
Speaker 1: just kind of tired of being the expert in trauma like,
Speaker 1: but I also want to have joy, and I want
Speaker 1: to see our characters having joy and being carefree and
Speaker 1: like just getting to go to an amusement park for
Speaker 1: the day or something and not have to worry about
Speaker 1: their parents being deported. And it's just like so, so
Speaker 1: I I would encourage people to um find their voice,
Speaker 1: but also what are shows that bring you joy? And
Speaker 1: watch those? And what I'm doing for my animated property
Speaker 1: is I had to sit down and watch what is
Speaker 1: out now. You know, it's not the same as when
Speaker 1: I when I was younger watching. I have a great
Speaker 1: animated background, but what are kids watching right now? So
Speaker 1: I'm not pitching something that's already out there. Um And
Speaker 1: just so I can know some of these conversations, like
Speaker 1: you were saying, the conversations they have on Craig of
Speaker 1: the Creek and on Stephen Universe are way different than
Speaker 1: what they were allowed to have a decade or two ago.
Speaker 1: That's on some of these these shows. So things have
Speaker 1: elevated and um our characters are even allowed to be
Speaker 1: even more fleshed out. Uh And And so I would
Speaker 1: encourage anyone trying to jump into animation to watch a
Speaker 1: lot of what is out right now. We did it,
Speaker 1: we did it. We did not talk about every show.
Speaker 1: I'm we will do a part two. I promise we
Speaker 1: never can talk about every show, and that's why we
Speaker 1: have episodes about shows. So this is a about the
Speaker 1: journey to where what we've gotten from from Cartoon Network.
Speaker 1: And if you have a show that you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to hear you'all talk about this, I gotta
Speaker 1: do is gently tweet us. We'll put it on the roster. Jeff,
Speaker 1: where can people find People can find me on Twitter
Speaker 1: and on Instagram if you want to see drawings of
Speaker 1: me done by more talented people at Mr Jeff trammel
Speaker 1: u two elms, two els. And I will also tweet
Speaker 1: about our show, our Emmy nominated show Until you went
Speaker 1: in where you can watch it all right? Uh? And me?
Speaker 1: You know I'm always if you wide away, Twitter, Instagram,
Speaker 1: if d's on Twitch, the Salt Squad grows every you
Speaker 1: know y'all have been in there. You know Jeff's been playing.
Speaker 1: If y'all, if y'all think you'all can beat Jeff at
Speaker 1: Dragon Ball fighter Z, pull up, I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: know right now you probably can't. I know you good.
Speaker 1: Jeff is nice. Jeff is so nice that we had
Speaker 1: some dude come in from the chat and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: is there a skilled Limon And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: This boy came and watched us, and then he got
Speaker 1: Jeff once and then he was talking about how he'd
Speaker 1: be training and all this stuff, and then Jeff came
Speaker 1: back and beat him. So so so let's say, Jeff,
Speaker 1: it's nice with it. Uh So, so come come, come
Speaker 1: with the heat. We're gonna we're gonna get back to
Speaker 1: what everyone's been. Have him dying, uh to have me
Speaker 1: do it again? And Zeno voice of Hawks that he
Speaker 1: wants in next time. So it'll be fun. You'll get
Speaker 1: to get washed by by the creator of Craig's Creek
Speaker 1: and possibly the voice of Hot. But you know, if
Speaker 1: you need to feel good your boy out here. Me
Speaker 1: I'm still learning, don't worry. I'm gonna I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: one of these fiber classes going. And then one day
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna come back like a big boy and
Speaker 1: Jeff ain't gonna know what hit him. That's that's my
Speaker 1: new that's my new limit. Right now? Where am I
Speaker 1: I am? Miss Danny Fernanez and all the things. And
Speaker 1: also if he and I um both were on a
Speaker 1: called the Great Debate, which came out this week, so
Speaker 1: check it out. It's on sci Fi. It's a bunch
Speaker 1: of nerds and comedians arguing about comedy nerds things. It's
Speaker 1: very funny. So I saw some people in the comments like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm like, this is not a straight
Speaker 1: statistical like you know in this season of Batman. He
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. It's it's nerdy comedy people being nerdy
Speaker 1: comedy people. So it's very entertaining. And watch it. It's
Speaker 1: on sci Fi get Out dropping every week for the
Speaker 1: next month. All right, Uh well, I guess that's also
Speaker 1: I guess one. Is it the way we normally in
Speaker 1: this and say say