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Speaker 1: On this episode of newts World. Journey to America with

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Speaker 1: Newton Close to Gingrich will premiere on PBS and is

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Speaker 1: streaming on PBS dot Org and the PBS app. The

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Speaker 1: film celebrates the achievements and shares the stories of nine

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Speaker 1: individuals from different backgrounds and periods who immigrated to our

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Speaker 1: country in pursuit of the American dream. I'm joined today

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Speaker 1: by one of the people we feature in the documentary,

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Speaker 1: she Vanfleet. She grew up during China's Cultural Revolution before

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Speaker 1: legally immigrating in the United States. Her latest book, Maus America,

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Speaker 1: is available now. She welcome and thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: me again in newts World.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: I think what makes you really remarkable is that you

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Speaker 1: were an eyewitness to Mao's cultural Revolution, and then you

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Speaker 1: could you talk first about what was it like growing

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Speaker 1: up in China.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I have to say, watching that

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Speaker 2: remarkable film, I feel so honored and I feel I'm

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Speaker 2: disqualified because, yeah, including me with those extraordinary immigrants who

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Speaker 2: much for having me as part of that film.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to shock you, but as far as

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned, you are as important and as consequential as

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Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger or anybody else who's in the program. You

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Speaker 1: have really been very important in alerting America to what's

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Speaker 1: So I'm just honored that you're with us because I

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Speaker 1: know how busy you've been and how much you've been

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Speaker 1: writing and speaking, and you know, you're a remarkable person.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because I think this will really help all

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Speaker 1: of our listeners. What was it like to grow up

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Speaker 1: in China under moul.

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Speaker 2: It's just difficult to just describe, But one word I

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Speaker 2: like a blurb, and everything after that was just a

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Speaker 2: really soon after the culture I've started, in May nineteen

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Speaker 2: it's just total chaos. We had nothing to do, so

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Speaker 2: as kids, we just went to the streets and every

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Speaker 2: day way witness struggle sessions, a term that more and

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Speaker 2: And see those people that being paraded, and what's wrong

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Speaker 2: with them, Well, they are supposedly deemed as the enemy

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Speaker 2: just the individuals who did this. If you belong to

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Speaker 2: And that's what the kids went after. And then there's

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Speaker 2: I just knew something just like a hurricane. They just

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Speaker 2: only thing I can say is that just like today's racist,

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Speaker 1: To give our listeners a sense of what China was

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I described And we have one and a

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize how young you were when the Cultural

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Speaker 1: You first noticed that there was these huge posters on

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, just as I said that, you become an enemy

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Speaker 1: As the Cultural Revolution was going on, lots of people,

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is really Mau's way of getting rid of

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Speaker 2: They destroyed the Chinese civilization, took down those in power

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Speaker 2: Send them to the countryside and told them, you know,

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Speaker 1: What did you learn from It's an amazing experience and

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Speaker 2: Well, it's to be a peasant. And then what it

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Speaker 2: That is why communism doesn't work. Capitalism is like you

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Speaker 2: So that was my really really firsthand experience understanding that

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Speaker 1: I really identify with the impact that you had learning

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Speaker 1: You're so remarkable, and you were such a leader in

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Speaker 1: The documentary celebrates the achievements of nine individuals from diverse backgrounds.

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Speaker 3: Immigrants have come to America from around the world for

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Speaker 1: Some fled famine, poverty, others sought religious freedom, and some

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Speaker 2: My name is Henry Kissing Jew and I came to

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is really what this film will do to

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and of course that's why christ

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Speaker 1: orgon the PBS app Sheep. I want to thank you.

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Speaker 1: You are a remarkable person. You are the perfect person

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