WEBVTT - Part Two: Romana Didulo: Queen of Canada 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:02.880 As media. 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:06.360 Welcome back. 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.879 Sorry I was doing I was doing Robert. It was fun. 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:15.880 Yeah, well I'm I did it first. I'm always the 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:17.960 first to be Robert. If you don't count that guy 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.400 who produced The Godfather, I don't. But other than him, 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.279 no other Roberts anywhere. 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:23.600 That's right. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.120 Yeah, a lot of people are saying this. A lot 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.440 of people are saying saying you're you're. 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:34.199 The only Robert. You're the only Roberts, right, that's right. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:35.879 You would have met one if there was another, and 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.879 if you have met one, you're a liar. Anyway, Welcome back. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:44.280 Behind the Bastards a podcast about bastards, and this week 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:50.320 about the Queen of Canada, Romana did Youlo prop Jason 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:52.760 Petty our guest, how are you doing? 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.240 I'm here, man, I can't wait to talk about here. 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:56.880 That swhere. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:02.280 She's the Queen of Canada, Commander Canada, Queen of Canada, 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:05.920 the Canada, First Party of Canada or Canadians. 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:07.600 If someone if someone came up to me and said, 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:09.200 I'm the commander in chief and you have to do 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.080 what I say, I'd say, I'm simply not in the military, motherfucker. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:17.319 I would probably know her roommate would be like, oh word, 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:18.039 all right. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:23.679 Will yeah yeah, probably realistically like oh, your majesty excellent, great. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.800 Do you want some coffee? Because I was gonna make 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.080 some coffee. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.480 You're like, oh, ship, you got that royal money. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.399 Guess that means we can upgrade. 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:35.960 To you know, you know, get Yeah, guess we're getting 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:38.400 that that that dope TV package. 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.160 Like when we leave, we finally afford ESPN. Oh no, 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.319 of course we can't afford it. Even even a royal 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.600 salary can't pay for ESPN. The queen had to fucking 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:49.480 pirate that ship. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:52.080 Yes, Jesus Christ. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.400 Anyway, let's talk about this great grift, well, not that 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.160 great grift, this kind of like shockingly mediocre and lazy 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:08.960 grift that works way better than it ought to. 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:09.639 Now. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:13.120 In any con like Romana was pulling, there's usually the 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:14.040 initial grift. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:14.280 Right. 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.600 There's the play someone is intentionally making when they start 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:20.720 down the road of declaring themselves the Queen of Canada 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:24.080 or whatever. Right, yeah, there's like, this is my immediate 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.160 plan for how I am going to make money or 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.520 make you know, I sell famous or whatever improve my 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:33.480 situation by lying about this thing, right, And then that 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.320 initial grift either they achieve it, you know, in some cases, 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.440 they meet their initial goals, and then they have to 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.000 figure out, well, what am I going to do next? 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:44.160 In some cases the initial goals prove impossible, but they 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.360 get saying anyway, what there's the initial grift, and then 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.480 there's what the grift grows into over time as the 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:52.480 leader and the followers become less and less more to reality. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:53.040 Right. 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.040 That's also the factor is that I think cult leaders 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.200 in general, especially the ones who say I'm an alien, 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.360 I'm the real incarnation of Jesus, you know, I'm the 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.360 secret King or the secret Queen. When it's that sort 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.960 of thing where I am this kind of person or 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.960 being that I couldn't possibly be, everyone believed that in 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.440 those cases, especially the cult leaders generally start more sane 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.520 than they end up. And it's kind of like getting 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:20.800 crazy rich, right, if you get billions of dollars, suddenly 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.560 you go from I have to interact with the world, 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.080 and my experience in the world is a mix of 0:03:26.120 --> 0:03:28.800 what I want to do and what other people want 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.280 and how society is set up. And so there's times 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:32.840 where I have to compromise. There's times where I have 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:34.280 to do stuff I don't like, like go to the 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:36.520 DMV or stand in line at the TSA, because that's 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.120 just life in society, right. And then when you're a billionaire, 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.120 all that shit goes away. You get to opt out 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.280 of everything everyone else does. Life is just a series 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.800 of what you want in any given moment, and nobody 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.440 can ever like challenge you or question you, And so 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:53.000 you grow increasingly unmoored from reality and crazy as we're 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.200 all watching happen in public to all of the billionaires 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:58.240 who run our society. Right, yeah, stop telling you know, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.160 exactly the same shit happens, probably in a more accelerated 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.520 and even more aggressive way when all of the people 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.400 around you are playing into this delusion that you're Jesus 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.360 or a queen or a king or something, right like 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.360 where you are pretending to be some sort of supernatural, 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:18.840 infallible being and one hundred percent of the people you 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:21.200 talk to on a day to day basis are all 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:22.240 buying into it. 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.080 Like that damages your brain more? Yeah, not trying to. 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.720 Make it, Oh, the poor cult leader, but it's like, objectively, 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:32.400 they lose their sanity the longer they do this, because 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:33.440 it's bad for you. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:36.840 Yeah, I mean there's like like I think, I think 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:39.159 you use the right word of like this is it's 0:04:39.200 --> 0:04:43.120 it's objectively breaking your brain. Yes, yes, yeah, you're just 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.640 you are losing a complete grip. And yeah you can't 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.560 not know when you put you a little single out 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:53.880 for your new your new uh you know, uh techno 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.800 DJing career. You know what I'm saying that, like you, 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:58.560 this song is objectively trash. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.720 But like, yeah, if I were to start a cult 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.800 where I convinced people that I was some sort of 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:06.039 divine figure, I would also do like a part time 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.320 job at a Barnes and Noble or something, just that 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:10.480 I had something outside of the cult business that I 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.000 would like go to and like be around. And that 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.240 way you can stay, you can keep yourself one step 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:17.000 ahead of the fence. Right, You're not going to lose 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.800 your mind too much. You know, every cult leader go 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.760 out and get a part time job doing something normal, 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.719 you know, if you really want your cult to go 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.719 the distance. Anyway, just some free advice for the cult 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:28.520 leaders out there, I. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:29.520 Feel it, you know what I'm saying. 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:34.200 The backup plan has to be solid enough to where 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:40.200 you can maintain pieces of the grift, right, you know, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.000 and somebody might follow you there. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.320 But like you have to keep knowing what reality is 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.799 enough to avoid the pitfalls of reality. 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:50.800 Yeah, but you're not. Yeah, you're not ended up. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:52.760 You're not ending up in the you know, the John 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.599 McAfee situation you gave me, like exactly. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:58.720 He's a great example, right, but he went too far. 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.720 He bought into too much of his bullshit, and the 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.839 world was not willing to float his delusions any longer. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.200 All right, Whereas you compare him to the goat, right 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.520 to l Ron Hubbards. Where as crazy as he got 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:12.839 and as many nuts things as he convinced people to believe. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.320 L R H always knew. Time to get in the boat, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.640 time to leave. I got to get out of this country. 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:19.680 Fucking loss coming for me. Time to bounce. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:25.920 I'm out. Listen, let's go to the boats for the boats. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:26.880 Hit the boats. 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.720 You calling l r H the Goat will never not 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:30.520 be funny. 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.320 He's the no one has ever been a better cult 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.720 leader than Alight Like he was the king of it. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.640 He's so good at being a cult leader. 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:43.000 You know the fact that like it still exists, Like 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:44.360 that's the crazy part about. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:46.000 What he was in l a last week or like 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:49.040 three days ago, and I ran past the Scientology building. 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.600 It's still here. It's huge. It outlived his legacy like 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:54.760 that next. 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.080 To l Ron Hubbard Boulevard. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:57.080 Yeah. 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.600 At that point you have to like, no, you're the goat, 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.400 like we all every documentary, every expos we all know. 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:07.320 But it's still sitting right here. I'm like, you win, 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:08.360 you win, bro. Yeah. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:09.440 Anyway, he did it, he did it. 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:10.760 Yeah. So uh. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.960 Sartaghi Christine Sartaghi's rite up gives us the best insight 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.920 into what the original con that Didulo was going for 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:17.600 might have been. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:18.120 Quote. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.720 An investigation bi logically revealed that Whiplash three four seven 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.840 was one of the two main Telegram Hub channel leaders 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.760 involved in recruiting individuals to invest in fraudulent cryptocurrency tokens, 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.000 described by experts as a large and well organized Ponzi scheme. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:34.720 Whiplash is the guy who like first backed Ramana from 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.840 the q and On world. Okay, this ponzi scheme netted 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:41.240 the scammers approximately two million dollars. The nature of Didulo's 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.080 affiliation and a relationship with Whiplash three four to seven 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.640 remains unclear. So again we don't know why this guy 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:48.600 got in bed with her, but he was. He's like 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.880 a crypto Ponzi scammer, and my guess is that was 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.480 the original plan or something like that for some sort 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.960 of Ponzi sket well, and she was involved too, where 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.400 he was like, look, if you can get some juice 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:03.520 behind you, we can sell your followers on some bullshit 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.440 and split the money. That would be my guess. I 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:09.280 don't know. My guess is something like that. Was it 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.000 because of who this whiplash person is, that he's a 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.000 Ponzi scam guy, and because there's no other reason for 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.800 her to have suddenly started supporting did Julo's claims other 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.000 than he thought maybe she had the juice to get 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.480 a following and he could wrench a bunch of money 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.680 out of her followers. That's the only thing I can 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.960 think of, right, I don't know, but that would make 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:28.520 sense to me. 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.640 Not having any idea what crypto is either, but anyway. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.760 Right exactly and just listening to whatever this guy says totally. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.200 As the summer a twenty twenty one began, Romana Didulo 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.840 added the title sovereign to her name, so her full 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.760 honorific was sovereign, head of State and Commander in Chief 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.959 of the Sovereign Republic of Canada. Again, you don't need 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.200 sovereign twice love it a head of state implies sovereign. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.120 I would say head of State and Commander Chief the 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.960 Sovereign Republic of Canada. Sure, but love it's weird to 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:02.320 do it the other way. Canada and there are as 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.680 you might guess, there's some sovereign citizen stuff mixed into 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.600 this too. She's also part of that community. Some of 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:10.280 her language, especially around like debt cancelation, is very sobset. 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:13.679 She refers to Canada, the government of Canada, the illegitimate 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.959 one is like an illegitimate corporation that's ruling Canada. Very 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:22.280 sovereign citizen adjacent stuff, which is getst an American sovereign 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.280 citizens should be very wrapped up in America and American law, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.520 but they're all over the world because all you need 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:29.880 to do is just make a bunch of fake court 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:33.000 papers for whatever country you're in and convince people, you 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:37.679 know anyway. Okay, so she announces as soon as you know, 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.520 this is in her first year as being the Queen. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.840 She starts announcing a bunch of new policies like any 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.040 new world leader does. Right, you start putting out, here's 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:47.040 the big policies I'm going to do. These all sounded 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.800 crazier in twenty twenty one and twenty twenty two. They 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.199 now just sound like actual policies of the US government 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:55.360 because she withdrew Canada from the United Nations, with drew 0:09:55.400 --> 0:10:00.360 Canada from the WHO, and canceled all foreign aid. Advised 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.520 your followers, So first off, we're just doing Trump stuff here, right, 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.000 Like maybe I mean Trump's doing. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:13.800 To do this stuff, right, that's who's her off as, right, right. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.440 She advised her followers to prepare for a complete and 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:21.640 total worldwide shift in financial systems. The world now lived 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.080 under the quantum financial system, which in brief meant that 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.280 everyone who believed in the quantum financial system got a 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.800 bunch of free money. And if you were poor and 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.680 riddled with debt under the old we'd say real financial system, 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:39.240 under the quantum financial system, you're suddenly rich. Right, And 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:42.280 that's the me and the other white hats are replacing 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:45.319 the global economy with the quantum financial system, and now 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.480 all the poor people have money, right, that's the idea. 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.160 Love it. I am as the father of two daughters. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.079 The amount of times I've had to sit down and 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:59.120 eat and get paid money and eat you know, imaginary meals, 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.600 and you just have to go along with it. Hm, 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.840 this tastes so good and it's just a shredded piece 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:04.280 of paper. 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.920 I had so much imaginary tea. 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.320 Oh my gosh, this is definitely given that. So my 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:14.360 first thing is I am outlawing chores. Okay, baby, Okay, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.640 no more, no more chores. And all all grown ups 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:21.080 have to eat vegetables for everyone. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:22.880 Okay baby, that's your new laws. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:28.079 Wait sure, yeah, absolutely sure, And that's you know I 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.520 We can talk about how the laws should be. I 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.719 do think that all grown ups should have to eat 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:33.439 the vegetables. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:38.000 I agree with that of her late vegetables. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.800 Anyway, we're not gonna agree in this because I'm a 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.439 bedtime abolitionist, prop very anti bedtime. 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:48.320 That's a dude that ain't got kids. Let me take something. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.760 You're damn right now. It's incredibly pro bedtime. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:56.960 Yes, So this nonsense she's peddling about the quantum financial 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:00.720 system has its origins in another series of episodes we've done. 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.800 A couple of years ago. I did a two parter 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.679 on Nessra and Jesra in E sar A G E 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.240 s A r A, which is an old conspiracy theory, right, 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.120 and it's an economic one. And Neessara and Jesra started 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.959 out as a real series of economic reform propositions in 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:21.240 the nineteen nineties. This was the origin of this is 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.920 there were some actual attempts to reform our economic system 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.440 that people misinterpret, and it becomes by the late nineties 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.720 early two thousands, this conspiratorial belief that all there's going 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.880 to be a debt jubilee, so all debt will be 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:37.920 canceled and an economic reset, right, which is a super 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.680 first off. In order to just kind of because we 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.120 talk a lot about how silly conspiratory beliefs are, and 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.120 they are, I want to peel back a little bit 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.559 because wanting to believe very badly in a debt jubilee. 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:51.920 It's not only as like I understand why people would 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.079 want that, but that goes back really far. It's pretty 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.800 the roots of Judaism in a lot of ways. There's 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.319 lots of Deuteronomy, not that that's the right, but in the 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:04.400 roots of Judaism, there's a lot of talk about debt jubileeze. Right, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:06.319 it's all over the Bible. This this would used to 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.480 be a thing. And part of it was if you've 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.080 got a new king. This wasn't just a thing that 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.199 happened in the Judeo Christian world. Right, if you got 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.360 a new king, and the new king, as often happens, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.359 maybe came to power through a little bit of conflict 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.679 with whoever wasn't charged before, or the new king really 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.480 needs to establish and get like the support of the people. 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.040 All your debts are clear, no one owes anything anymore. Right, 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.520 this used to It wasn't universal, but it happened a 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.480 lot because it's a smart way to get people on 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:38.000 your side. Yeah, yeah, so everyone's credit card debt. If 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.200 a guy became the president was like, all your debts 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.880 are canceled. How would you feel about that president? 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:46.040 I'd vote probably better than you knew about the cars president. 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:47.880 I'd vote for his third term. 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:52.600 It's also like the preposterousness of saying that America is 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.840 four point nine trillion dollars in debt. You're just like, yeah, 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:01.160 that's okay, zero, come on zero, dude, Like it's not 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:02.559 what do we. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.120 Not call that? I mean Europe theoretically could call some 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:06.560 of that like right, like, that's part of the problem 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:10.400 with us fucking around their allies is But also realistically, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.800 who's gonna do that. Who's going to do that and 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.560 just nuke the global economy right now? Maybe in the 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:17.960 future when people have uncoupled themselves from the dollar, but 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:19.360 it's not good for anybody anyway. 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:19.680 Whatever. 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:24.240 I find this all interesting just because this is there's 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.360 a really old desire to believe in stuff like this, 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.480 and it's a huge part of There's all sorts of 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:33.240 different expressions of this. Adjacent to and underneath the Maga movement. 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.120 There was a lot of talk within QAnon people about 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.440 an economic reset. There's even this side belief that, like, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.640 for whatever reason, people should be collecting Iraqi dnars because 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.960 Trump was about to like revalue the dnar and it 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.440 would suddenly be worth a bunch of money for again 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.160 weird conspiratorial reasons, but like a bunch of white people 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:53.760 in the Midwest were buying like old Iraqi currency and 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.120 their belief that it would make them rich one day. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.120 Oh yeah, so man, people in Iraq don't even want 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.920 to take dnr. I had to spend money there and 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.480 I usually spent dollars in euros. You know, nobody wants 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:10.280 the fucking DNR avoid it. And a big chunk of 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.440 like what gets taken out of Nessa and jess or 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.800 this older conspiracy theory into the modern era is this 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.720 idea of a debt cancelation. It's prominent among MAGA people, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.440 prominent among you know, the Q movement, and that's what 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.600 she's tapping into. And it's a tantalizing proposition for desperate 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.520 people living on the margins, who are always the people 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:30.640 most likely to find themselves drawn towards cults. Right, Romana 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:34.880 Didulo's teachings found their audience followers had reasons to convince 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.560 themselves she was legit, including the fact and this is 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.240 my favorite is once people decide they believe in her, 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.800 they have to work backwards to try to find evidence that. Like, 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.240 you know, there's all sorts of clues that she's legitimate, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:48.960 and one of the chief ones is that her name 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.320 Romana Digulo is an anagram for I am our Donald, 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:56.560 like I am the Canadian Donald. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:04.040 That's seriously enough proof for some people. Good stuff. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:07.560 Wow, it must be so whimsical to believe in the 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:08.440 world the way you do. 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:13.600 Wow, man, these people are at the red light next 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:14.760 to you, like these are. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.440 Yes and they these people are the well not in Canada, 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.320 but in the US. They're allowed to buy all the 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.480 same guns you are, which is not great. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.920 Yes, their votes count as much as yours. 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.600 Yeah, that part doesn't matter because voting isn't real. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:31.160 Sophie. 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.520 Uh, the mushroom aliens inside Mount Shasta control all of 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.840 our elections. But you know, let's continue with this. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.080 I am our Donald, I am our Donald. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:45.160 I've been saying that for years, Sophie. You are our Donald. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:45.600 Thank you. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.320 I'm gonna find it pagram for Sophie's night before. 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.680 This is Donald Sutherland. I assumed we were talking about. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.320 I've always considered you the Donald Sutherland of cool Zone media. 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.920 At first, I like miss Herd and I thought you 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.040 said Donald Sterling and I got real scared. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:02.240 That is good. Keep it that way, sir. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.679 But I know who Donald Sutherland is because I just 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.359 watched him in a not very good movie. 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.600 Donald Sterling would be a great Bastards episode. 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:11.760 Actually, he'd be a great Bastard's I'll feel like you 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:12.520 should leave that one. 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:15.320 Sophie put them on the list on the list. 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.640 The list that never dies. 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:22.560 Yes, So to get back to romana once you start 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.879 to feel as a cult leader, like you might as 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.640 a fledgling cult leader, right, Because she's spent months now 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.399 building her telegram, she's got tens of thousands of people, 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.240 she's getting traction. People are talking about her right within 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.040 the Q movement, but she hasn't met any of them 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.760 in person. She's not like I think she's taking some 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.119 donations now, but she hasn't made a bunch of money 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.080 off of this. I think this is the point at 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.840 which you have to kind of make a plunge. Am 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.840 I just someone who's created a weird little Internet community 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.000 or do I really have a cult here? 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:52.800 Right? 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:54.840 And so if you want to answer that question, the 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.440 next thing you got to do is stretch your muscles. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.080 So in June of twenty twenty one, she starts ordering 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.439 her followers to hand out and by stretch your muscles, 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.160 I mean try to get your followers to do things 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.680 in the real world before you take the plunge into 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:07.840 like follow me. We're all gonna live together, and you 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.760 need to give me all your money. You got to see, 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.119 can I get them to do anything other than like 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:16.639 hang out on my telegram, right, yeah, yeah, it's smart, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.280 it's smart. She's got a basic Again. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.240 Man, maybe maybe your song had a cool little TikTok audio, 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.880 but like you can't you can't sell. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:25.600 A concert ticket. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:27.959 You're going to have a career, So yeah, you got 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:30.840 to test that shit out first, and yeah, totally. This 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.560 is part I sometimes feel as I study these because 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.120 I never know, you never get none of these Very 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:38.919 few of these cult leaders ever admit to like, and 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.760 I spent years reading about other cult leaders and how 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.719 they did things that I would know what to do 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.200 when I, you know, my time gave. They never say that. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.679 I assume some of them do. A part of me. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.480 I have this belief that there's it's almost like there's 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.880 like a subset of Homo sapiens that's like like the 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.679 cult leader, and some people are just born with a 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:03.479 set of like instincts that makes them like real like 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.560 because a lot of her behavior feels instinctual, like you're 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.120 feeling out how to make and keep a cult going, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:12.199 how to grow it. I don't know. Maybe it's like 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:14.240 being the Jedi. Maybe it's like you've got enough Midi 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.680