1 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It is Saturday, April fourth, and there 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: is a new theory out there that might explain a 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: lot for women who are confused because yes, we all 4 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: say we want to be with someone easy going, but 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: according to the plastic bag theory, we actually don't. 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: And with that everyone, welcome to Amy and TJ. 7 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 3: Who said that's what women want. What'd you say? They said? 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 2: Someone easy going? 9 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: I think we all think a lot of times as 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: women that we just want a guy to just go 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: with the flow, easy going, non confrontational. 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 3: Does that sound good? I mean, as we sit here now, 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: like women listening right now, does that it sounds pleasant? 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: Does it sounds peaceful. 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: In theory, yes, And I think they say, especially women 16 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: maybe who have come out of a previous relationship with 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: something that felt toxic or exhausting or combative, and so 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: they just want a guy who's like, yes, dear, yes. 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 3: Dear, yes, dear, So beyond a chill demeanor. It's one 20 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: thing somebody could just be a little more laid back, 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: but it's beyond that. It's someone who is not going 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 3: to confront a yes man. Yes, Okay, that sounds bad. 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 1: Though exactly, but this is what women if you ask 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: them what they want, a lot of folks, a lot 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: of women might just say, I want somebody who's just 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: easy going, who's a go with the flow kind of guy. 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 3: Okay, th will sound great. What I'm saying this sounds 28 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 3: like it puts it in a different category, easy going, 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: go with the flow versus we'll do what I want 30 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 3: and won't put up resistance. 31 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: Part of yes, part of the example. 32 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: So here is what the This is how a plastic 33 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,839 Speaker 1: bag man is described. 34 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:47,639 Speaker 3: That sounds awful. 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: I know it does sound awful. 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: Plastic bag came up. 37 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: With this term that's basically doing like bananas on social media. 38 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: Everyone's talking always Okay, some man came up with a 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: theory for what women want. We should stop the episode. 40 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: Now, yes, this is a guy on social media. 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: He has brought this back to light and now several 42 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: news articles have been written about it because it's. 43 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: All over social media. 44 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: But they're talking about basically low maintenance men who don't 45 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: This is how it's described. They don't initiate or plan anything. 46 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: They go with the flow, wait for the partner to 47 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: make all the plans in the relationship. They don't argue 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: or overreact, go along with whatever you want. 49 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: But here's the deal. This is what. 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: Was described, not my words, someone else, is that a 51 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: plastic bag man has the spine of a flaccid plastic 52 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: bag just going down the river has. 53 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: The spine of I hear you say that, right, yeah, okay, 54 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 3: I want to go through your list again. Low maintenance. 55 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: That doesn't sound bad, right, not at all? Do you say, 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: don't plan ahead, don't plan anything? Wait? Right? 57 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: So from where we're eating tonight, what we're ordering in tonight, 58 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: where we're going on vacation, who we're hanging out with any. 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: So, all right, I'm so sorry. And folks, if you 60 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 3: don't know, we do these sometimes on the weekend. I 61 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: don't get a heads up about what these new trends are. 62 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: So I'm learning about it as we go and as 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: you all go along. I want to go through your list. 64 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: They describe it low maintenance was the first one. What 65 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 3: was the next thing? 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: Low maintenance. They don't initiate or plan anything, okay, all right? 67 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: And that was the next one. 68 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: They don't argue or overreact. 69 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: Don't argue okay, okay, all right. That was the next one. 70 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: Goes along with whatever you want. 71 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 3: That was the last one. 72 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, they were even giving examples like, say you are dating. Well, 73 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: I'll get into the red flags in a moment, but 74 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: there are some very funny red flags that I think 75 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: might resonate with some women, like oh wow, yeah, I've 76 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: been there, done that, that happened for you. 77 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 3: As a woman, dating low maintenance is not something that 78 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: turns you off to somebody you're dating, not at all. Okay, 79 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 3: don't initiate or plan anything. It's not the end of 80 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: the world, you know. You tell me then, is that 81 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: it's so? 82 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Initially it doesn't sound bad because it sounds like, okay, 83 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: well I can steer the ship I'm. 84 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: Okay with that doesn't overreact to things, doesn't. 85 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: Anger that's amazing. 86 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, right, and goes along with whatever you want. 87 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 2: It can be annoying, but it sounds good in theory. 88 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: Yes, it looks like at least three out of the 89 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: four things. And maybe even this doesn't sound like a bad. 90 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: Guy to date exactly. It actually kind of sounds perfect 91 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: for especially. 92 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: Look, a lot of us women know that generally speaking, 93 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: a lot of us like to be in control of 94 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: our house, in control of the social calendar, kind of 95 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: in control of what we do and how we do it. 96 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: This is a lot of what women do. We nest, 97 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: we kind of like to be the matriarchs of our family. 98 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: So yes, in that sense, if you're looking for a 99 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: man whose husband material, who you want to be with, 100 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: this seems like it would be the perfect partner, the 101 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: perfect mate. But here is why it doesn't work. And 102 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: this is when it gets really interesting, because the point 103 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: being that a lot of women are allured to this 104 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: type of man, to this type of relation and ship 105 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: for all the obvious reasons we just stated. But here 106 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: is why a lot of times and most of the 107 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: time it's being argued it doesn't work because easy going 108 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: actually can just be another way of saying not caring, 109 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: like completely detached. So what could look like someone who 110 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: is easy going and passive actually is just detached and removed. 111 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: Oh, you're never going to get the connection you're looking for. 112 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: Oh I want to stay with that. But is it possible? 113 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 3: How does it describe easygoing and what and not caring? 114 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: Oh? 115 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 3: But can easy going just be that easy going? 116 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: They say that there are examples of men who are 117 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: like that, but oftentimes it's a symptom of something much deeper. 118 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: That you need to be aware of easy going and 119 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 3: could that be nonchalance is what I kind of Yes, 120 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 3: that's also going with the flow. All those things could 121 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: be described as. But it could also be described as indifference, 122 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 3: which is a. 123 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: Cool exactly, and so that is what women don't think 124 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: about or and look, this could be men or women, 125 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: but in these articles it's pretty much all directed at men. 126 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: But yeah, for just not caring, for being indifferent, for 127 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: being detached, and that actually can be one of the 128 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: most isolating, lonely experiences in any relationship. So it seems 129 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: like it's all great on its face, but you dig 130 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,239 Speaker 1: a little deeper, and there's a problem. 131 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 2: The other issue the workload. 132 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: Then, because it does become work, even if it's planning 133 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: vacations or planning the next meal or planning whatever you do, 134 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: suddenly completely falls on one person for booking every reservation, 135 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: initiating every conversation about what we're doing, where are we going? 136 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: And so they say, you've got your partner. 137 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: He's like a plastic bag merely drifting along merrily. Sorry, 138 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: not merely merrily drifting along. I started seeing a plastic 139 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: bag when the wind whips up, and it's just floating 140 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: and flying and just going wherever the wind takes. Yes, 141 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: And they're saying the other partner is because the other 142 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: person now is basically they can just sit back, relax 143 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: and the other person is steering the ship and directing 144 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: it and getting it through the tough waters, and they 145 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: don't feel. 146 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: Like they have a partner, which is exactly what you 147 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: just said. You want it right and you want to. 148 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Control exactly Okay, But there's a difference between chill and detached, 149 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: having a chill partner and a detached person a partner, 150 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: having a easy going partner and a completely indifferent partner. 151 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: You end up feeling more alone in these relationships oftentimes 152 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: than you do as a team. And that's where people. 153 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: Women miss calculate, they miss judge, And if any woman 154 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: has been in a relationship like this, you will say, 155 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: oh my god. In fact, they say, give it a 156 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: couple of years in your marriage and all of a sudden, 157 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: this perfect person that you thought was just going to 158 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: be the easiest person to hang out with and go 159 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: through life with suddenly. 160 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 2: Is so you don't even know who they are. 161 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: And I think so when you don't stand for anything, 162 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: you fall for everything. You just end up losing respect, 163 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: You end up losing patience, and you end up really 164 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: actually resenting this person after you. 165 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 3: Get the exact man you want it, who had all 166 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 3: the characteristics you had on your list exactly, who was 167 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: low mainance, didn't like to plan or ask anything, he 168 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: never overreacted, and he went along with everything I wanted. 169 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 3: That guy your guy. 170 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you're miserable and now you're unhappy. But this, 171 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: I think this is so interesting to think about because 172 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: I never considered this, But anyone who's out there dating, 173 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: anyone who's in a relationship, you might not what seemed 174 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: like a good thing, what seemed like the draw towards somebody, 175 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: may end up actually being the exact reason why you 176 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: shouldn't get in a relationship with someone like this. 177 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 3: Is I have a lot of questions. I'm not sure 178 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: if this is the right time for it. But is 179 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 3: there any suggestion that there are some women and some 180 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: personalities that do match well. 181 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: With this Uh, it didn't seem to suggest suggested. 182 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 2: This is a cautionary tale and a trap. 183 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: Not that these men are necessarily trapping women into these relationships, 184 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: but you almost you trapped because you think you want 185 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: something and it turns out to get that thing you want, 186 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: you actually lose so much of what you need in 187 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: a relationship. 188 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 3: But nobody knows what they need in a relationship, right, 189 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: That's why we end up with partners we end up 190 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: with because we pick the thing we want, or our 191 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: mom says she want it. 192 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: According to my therapist, we all are working out our 193 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 1: childhood issues with our parents with the partners we choose, 194 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: and it's all subconscious and we don't even know we're 195 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: doing it. So maybe you need to go through one 196 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: of these relationships to work some things out in your 197 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: in your previous, in your childhood so that you can 198 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: become a better human. 199 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 3: So what you're working out in this relationship that's from 200 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: your childhood. 201 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: Oh that's a whole other episode, babe. 202 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: Is it a race thing? Okay? 203 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: Now, so how about this? I love that you have questions. 204 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: Would you have another question for me? 205 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: I got tons of questions. There are all kinds of 206 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: notes here. Nobody suggest you swing back the other way. Right, 207 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 3: What if it's the guy who has a woman who 208 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 3: is low maintenance, doesn't plan anything, doesn't overreact, and gets 209 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: along with whatever you want, goes along with whatever is 210 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 3: there any suggestion, and you're deep diving into this, that 211 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: that works better in some way or because it is 212 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: those traditional roles where the guy is leading everything, they 213 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: could work better. Any suggestion that a guy would be 214 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 3: good with a plastic bag woman. 215 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. You'd have to answer that. Does that 216 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: sound good to you? 217 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 3: I've been looking for my whole life. I'm just obviously 218 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: kidding Steel Cage. No, that's not the case. But I'm 219 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 3: just who wants I don't know. It's why we think 220 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 3: about there's some business sometimes and oftentimes bosses and managers 221 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: they hire people to because they want them to all 222 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 3: get along, because things seem like it's going easier. So 223 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: sometimes maybe for a guy or somebody in a relationship, 224 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: is it easier she just goes along with everything. This 225 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: is easier, This works, not what I need. I might 226 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: get annoyed later, but I don't know to heat his 227 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 3: in her own I was just wondering if there are 228 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 3: plastic bag women and maybe guys might not find the 229 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 3: same challenges. 230 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: That's funny. 231 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: This was not discussed in any of these articles about 232 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: this particular theory. It was related to men, but that 233 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: is an interesting thought. I don't know how many women 234 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: out there are plastic bag women. 235 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: And I would imagine that. 236 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: The same thing that ends up being true for women 237 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: in these types of relationships, I would think would be 238 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: see the same for men, because eventually, at a certain 239 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: point you start you start questioning, like, what. 240 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: Is going on in their heads? 241 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: What are they thinking about, who do they care about, 242 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: what do they care about, what motivates them? You feel 243 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: so detached and you don't know who they are, and 244 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: so it's hard to build a relationship with someone that 245 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: you would want to love and respect. 246 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 2: And they're even saying like. 247 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: It's better to have somebody who stands their ground, who 248 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: has a different opinion than you. When you're in a relationship, 249 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: and this is a lifelong relationship that you're trying to 250 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: enter into, you want to be with someone who challenges you, 251 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: who who opens your mind, And eventually those are the 252 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: kinds of things that create a bond when you can 253 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: go through and learn from one another versus just one 254 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: person saying whatever. 255 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't this the plastic bag man theory here, 256 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 3: doesn't that to some degree go better? Along with what 257 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: we are seeing in a new and upcoming different generation 258 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 3: of women, who have do have more power, who do 259 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 3: have more say, who are encouraged to speak their mind 260 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: and to be independent. It seems like partnerships there are 261 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: anti partnership partnerships. People get into marriages because of what 262 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 3: it can do for them, not because they want to 263 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: enter into something and lose a part of who they are. 264 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 3: I'm saying, do we have a different generation of young 265 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 3: women who oftentimes are now the theory, don't compromise at all. 266 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 3: You don't have to compromise or change a single thing 267 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: of who you are, right, That's what they're being told. 268 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 3: So my question there, does this plastic bag man kind 269 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: of work with a mindset I guess we've seen. 270 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: More of I think the answer is initially yes, Okay, 271 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: they do think that might be why this is being 272 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: discussed now, because what you just described is absolutely true, 273 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: and women think this is what they want, they think 274 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: this is what they need because now they're in complete 275 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: control and they can handle it all. But what ends 276 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: up happening is, wait a couple of years, get into 277 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: that relationship, and you're going to end up with a 278 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: major problem, a much bigger problem than you would have 279 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: had had you not had someone who is equally invested. 280 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 3: Because our parents to that point that, okay, you're the 281 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 3: reason is being talked about now is because yes, a 282 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 3: lot of women are making it our Can you imagine 283 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,359 Speaker 3: our parents' generation, my mom wanting a plastic bag guy. 284 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: No, no, of course, Yes, this is a new phenomenon 285 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: that is being talked about now because it is something 286 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of women think they want 287 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: and think they need. So when we come, we're going 288 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: to tell you the red flags that would indicate you 289 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: might be with a plastic man and what you can 290 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: do about it. 291 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 3: All right, we continue here on this plastic man version 292 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: of Amy and TJ. If y'all didn't catch that, it's 293 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: not like a bunch of Ken dolls out there, it's 294 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: not what we're talking about. 295 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: You're like, babe, you just said plastic man instead of 296 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: plastic bag man. My apologies. Was not trying to imply 297 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: that you all are Ken dolls. But actually maybe that 298 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: is a little bit of what they're employed. It's a 299 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: plastic bag man. 300 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: But if you say a plastic woman, you would have 301 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: conjured up a different image. 302 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: Yes I won't, Yes, that's another episode, but here are 303 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: the red flags that you might have a plastic bag man? 304 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 2: Does your guy never take initiative? 305 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: Never take initiative? Huh okay. 306 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: And I will tell you that I have said this 307 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: to you plenty of times, and I think I've said 308 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: this on different episodes of our podcast. Definitely talking about 309 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: it with my mom last week when we saw her. 310 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: It's one of the sexiest things about you. 311 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: You are a leader, You take initiative, you do steer 312 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: the ship, and strong men are out there. 313 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: I know, but. 314 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: This has been a an eye opening relationship for me 315 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: with you because you are the opposite of a plastic 316 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: bag man. 317 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: I will say, which would be what what's the label? 318 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 3: What cute label does social media have for the opposite 319 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: of a plastic bag man? I'm trying to fresh direct 320 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 3: bag full of groceries man. 321 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: Yes, you're a I don't know, it's someone who what's 322 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: what would I how. 323 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: Would I describe that? 324 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 3: No idea? A guy who's not just floating in the 325 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: wind and going with it what? I don't know? The 326 00:15:58,560 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: opposite of that. 327 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: You're a steel rod man, but maybe somewhere on that 328 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: level where you've got a strong spine and you can 329 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: handle tough situations. 330 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: The name I don't think we should go with that though, 331 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 3: add too much in window in the title. 332 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: All Right, maybe we'll come up with it. We'll do 333 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: another episode on it, because. 334 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: I think I've just now spawned off three separate episodes 335 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: from this one conversation the other red flags that are 336 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: out there. He subtly forces you, and it's like a 337 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: passive aggressive way to carry the mental load of deciding, 338 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: planning and caring about everything. 339 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: Wait a minute, he suddenly was subtly. 340 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: Subtly, he's like passively saying like and sometimes it can 341 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: be as easy as as easy as agreeing, like hey, 342 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: you know, would you be willing to go for a weekend? 343 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: Like can we do a weekend getaway? And you say sure? 344 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: And then you never once ask a follow up, never 345 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: book anything, never say where do. 346 00:16:59,360 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: You want to go? 347 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: Just the trip never gets booked unless you the woman 348 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: starts nagging about it. Hey, you said you wanted to go. 349 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: But just basically it's like eh, meh about everything. So 350 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: if you're realizing, wow, I am the only one who 351 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: tries to get us out places or going out to 352 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: meet friends or creating a vacation, or if you just 353 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: realize and there is a mental load to that that 354 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: starts to weigh on a person. And they're saying that 355 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: easygoing can easily cross over to a voidance. Here's another 356 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: red flag. He doesn't have his own opinions. It's whatever 357 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: you say he agrees with. And they were even pointing 358 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: out and this one really struck a nerve with me. 359 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: Imagine somebody you are dating who says, oh, I hate 360 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: the city or I would never move here. Suddenly you 361 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: get a job in that city and they're happy to go. 362 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: It's just like, wait, what so kind of uncompromising. It 363 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: sounds flexible, it sounds wonderful, but at a certain point 364 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: it starts to just get strange because that's not something 365 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: that's attractive to be with someone who doesn't have their 366 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: own opinions, even if they're different than yours. They're like, 367 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: it's better if someone actually says no, here's why I 368 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: think it's this way, and even if you disagree with them, 369 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: at least you're having a healthy conversation and a healthy interaction. 370 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 3: Stents aren't a lot of people. Women will be relieved 371 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: to not have to fight with their partner over where 372 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 3: they should move or when they should move in big decisions. 373 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: Like that being me. Doesn't that sound Some women might 374 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: be listening now and say, wow, that sounds like a dream. 375 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: And that's why this whole theory is out there, because yes, 376 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: it does sound great, it does seem wonderful, but in actuality, 377 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: keep going on, that's not it is not. So. 378 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 2: Yes, they say, you want. 379 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 1: Someone who has thoughts of their own, like, think about that. 380 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: You're not there to dat a reflection of yourself. I mean, 381 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: I know some people might think that sounds great, but 382 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: truly that doesn't lead to a happy relationship and it 383 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: doesn't lead to a happy life. 384 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: So you want someone who has thoughts of his own. 385 00:18:58,400 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 3: That had to be opposites. 386 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: Yes, independent, exactly. 387 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: This is how it was, but not in an uncompromising way, 388 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: but in a grounded, I have a backbone way. I 389 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: wonder how many men out there are now raised around 390 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: seeing these women who are powerful, strong, financially independent, and think, well, 391 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: if I want to keep a woman, or I want 392 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: to I want to get a woman, I want to 393 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: keep a woman, I should probably just say what she 394 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: says and agree with her and then it'll all be good. 395 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: I wonder if, on one hand, we're raising women like 396 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: this and that's leading to men making choices to act 397 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: much differently. 398 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: Perhaps in their fathers and their grandfathers. 399 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: They still tell that joke at weddings that toasts where 400 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: some idiot always gets up. I'm sorry, I shouldn't say that. 401 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 3: Somebody out there. I'd be listening actually did this just 402 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: you know, some guy because of the two the most 403 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: important words in your marriage. Yes, dear. If they still 404 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 3: do that, I think so okay, so that it does 405 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: get in your mind that whatever she wants goes. And 406 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 3: then at the same time we talk about guys always 407 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 3: being in charge of household and trad wives and all 408 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 3: this stuff. So I don't know which way we're going, 409 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 3: but it seems like that has been a I don't know, 410 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: we talk about marriage or something less than a partnership, 411 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: and I know it's supposed to be funny and jokes 412 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 3: were made and pop culture, but it really the difference 413 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 3: is in all this world is just a partnership. This 414 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 3: is not complicated stuff. It's just a partnership and respect 415 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 3: in a partnership that you are now a part of, 416 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: which means you do have to compromise, which do mean 417 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 3: does mean that you wanted to go for seven nights 418 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: on that trip and end up being five because you 419 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 3: had to negotiate your way. That's just it. Everybody gives 420 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: a little something. We always do these things. It's this 421 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: or that, it's all or nothing, and marriage and relationships 422 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: are dead center between steel rod guy and paperbag boy 423 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 3: or whatever. 424 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 2: It is, plastic plastic brand. Okay, see it's hard. 425 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: I actually it's funny enough. I wrote paperbag too, and 426 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, no, it's plastic bag. I'm so confused. 427 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: But I do think you make a very good point 428 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 1: that a lot of us, when we watch these relationship shows, 429 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: people go into relationships wanting what they want to get 430 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: out of it. What am I going to get out 431 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: of this? How is my life going to be improved? 432 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: How am I going to feel safe and happy and loved? 433 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: When in actuality, when you're entering into a marriage or relationship, 434 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: it is about putting the greater good of the whole 435 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: above your own individual needs. 436 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: And that is hard, that. 437 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: Is tough, that is complicated, and so if you're looking 438 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: for somebody who just says yes all the time, you're 439 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: going to end up most likely in a very unhappy, 440 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: imbalanced relationship period. And it sounds great when you're the 441 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: person who's getting everything they want, but it actually isn't 442 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: great when you live in that environment because it's not 443 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: a relationship. 444 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 3: You said, But I know every show our watch says, 445 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: need to accept me for who I am. This is 446 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 3: me I am, take it or leave it, but you 447 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 3: don't love me enough if you don't. That's what I 448 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 3: see on all of these shows is that someone needs 449 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 3: to be fully accepted and does not have to compromise 450 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 3: a single thing, a single moment, a single friendship, a 451 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: single night. I don't this is me, take it or 452 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: leave it. I thought that's how we were all Now. 453 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: I do think that is how a lot of folks 454 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: see it. And then if you are invested in the relationship, 455 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: you might start to evolve and grow. 456 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 2: That is the hope. 457 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: Just encourage anyone if you want to learn more about this. 458 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: It's Alessandro for Sally. He's the one who kind of 459 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: brought this back into the forefront end. Yeah, it's true, 460 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: and his theory has taken off. 461 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: But he is a men's coach. 462 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: This is the coach men. 463 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: His mantra is. 464 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 1: I help men become better husbands. Yeah, he's telling them 465 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: to have a backbone. He's telling them to have an opinion. 466 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: He's telling them not to be a plastic bag man. 467 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: That women ultimately don't want that they think they do, 468 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: they say they do, but in the end, that is 469 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: not who we want to be in a relationship. 470 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: So this was by a man and four men all 471 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 3: of this. So we're getting together and manipulating how we 472 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 3: are now going to go further tell women what to do, 473 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 3: and we're just doing it now in a subtle way. 474 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: So we're putting this thing out and letting you know 475 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 3: the type of man you don't want, and then we're 476 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: gonna flood the market with guys who now know you 477 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 3: don't want that. This is some perfect male shit. I 478 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 3: didn't know. I thought this was at the coach women 479 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: in some way, it's not even what this is. 480 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: Ah. You know what's funny is, folks, the writers who 481 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: have then taken some of this and what they've seen 482 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: on social media and put it out there have all 483 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: been female. 484 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: Writers hilariously talking about this. 485 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: But I do think it resonates there are enough of 486 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: us women who have been in relationships like this that 487 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: know it doesn't work. 488 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 3: Huh. It's just that's wild. 489 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: You know. 490 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,040 Speaker 3: One of the funniest thing A R. Bernard over in 491 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 3: in Brooklyn Church here we love faster Bernard. One of 492 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 3: the funniest things I've ever heard him say. And a 493 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 3: man said it, and I was in the room with 494 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 3: thousands of people. He said, we know what women want. 495 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 3: Everybody's sitting up. Men have figured out we know what 496 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 3: women want. Everybody's own. He said, Oh, you want me 497 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 3: to tell you? Yeah, yea, yeah, they don't know. 498 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: We know what we don't want. 499 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 3: That's it. And he gave a million examples. You say 500 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 3: to your woman, Hey, you want to go to a 501 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: movie tonight? Yes, what you want to see? 502 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: Ah? 503 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: Whatever's cool? All right, Hey, here's a new horror movie. 504 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 3: I don't want to see that. That'll immediately. What do 505 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: you want for dinner tonight? 506 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: Ah? 507 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 3: Pick anything, I'm cool. What about Mexican? Well, I don't 508 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: want that. You won't say what you want, but you 509 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 3: will clearly identify and are clear about what you don't want. 510 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 3: And it might be paper bags floating around in the wind, 511 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 3: as we've already determined as men in our secret tribunal 512 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: that's going on with Alejandro. 513 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: His name is Anyway. 514 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: So I just This was an interesting conversation. 515 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: It is something to think about in terms of wondering 516 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: not just right now what I think I need, but 517 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: what do I actually need or want in a lasting 518 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: relationship with a partner who I can actually have interesting 519 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: communal conversations about. And most importantly, we want we do 520 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: want a partner who is engaged, a partner who is invested, 521 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: a partner who has some skin in the game and 522 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: and isn't afraid to voice their opinion, not in a. 523 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 2: In an aggressive way or in. 524 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: A confrontational way, but in a way that we can say, wow, 525 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: he's got a backbone. 526 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 3: And remember, ladies, if you aren't sure, if it's not clear, 527 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: if you're still figuring out what it is you want 528 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 3: in a man, just ask man. We will have the answer. 529 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 3: I'm with that. Can I believe this all was because 530 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 3: of men talking amongst the men. 531 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: And with that, everyone, thank you so much for listening 532 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: to us. I made me robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We 533 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: will talk to you soon.