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Speaker 1: Well, George, Cheers. Cheers podcast starts now. Podcast starts now

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Speaker 1: to three beautiful years. Sorry, I already drank. I'm five

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Speaker 1: Martini's in. Okay, Okay, sorry, we do, we do, Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you were going to do a whole bit.

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Speaker 1: Oh I had. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, No, I should have. Yes,

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Speaker 1: handed I panicked. No, it's start again. I just after

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Speaker 1: three years, I never want us to lose the excitement

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Speaker 1: and the rush of, you know, coming up with an

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Speaker 1: hour of comedy on the spot. Um So, I guess

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Speaker 1: I want everyone in this podcast, you and me to

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Speaker 1: raise a glass to three years of casting excellence. Here.

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Speaker 1: I can tell this is from New York. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: is good water. Wow. Yeah. Did you like the bit

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Speaker 1: I did? But guess what it did? Make me wish

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Speaker 1: we had Martinez? Yeah, imagine doing this with Martinis. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god. I mean I'm almost like, let's literally pause this,

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Speaker 1: go get pre batched martinis, bring them back, pour them out.

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Speaker 1: You know. Actually, I'm like, it's New York City. Can

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Speaker 1: they not deliver a Martin? Right? Postmates? Wait? Can I

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Speaker 1: tell you something? Yeah, there's a trailer for that new

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Speaker 1: movie where Nick Cage plays Dracula, okay, and Aquafina goes

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Speaker 1: she's talking to Nicholas Holt, whose job it is to

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Speaker 1: bring food to Dracula, and she has a line where

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Speaker 1: she goes, you're like the dude that brings the villain

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Speaker 1: his postmates. And it makes me laugh every time because

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Speaker 1: it's like such a type of contemporary joke, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like, so you're the guy that

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Speaker 1: gets the uber to hell. Well, there's something so funny

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Speaker 1: about trying really hard to be contemporary where you almost

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Speaker 1: it has to be self parodying for it to actually work,

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Speaker 1: like because it's so clearly like the script is written

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Speaker 1: with like insert like topical joke. Yeah, and it's like

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Speaker 1: like no one even says like, no one would say that,

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Speaker 1: no one would say that. That's not which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: is not a reason enough to not say something, because

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Speaker 1: of course it's art and Nick Nick Cage playing Dracula

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Speaker 1: in a sort of self referential way is the highest

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Speaker 1: form of our one can produce. Of course we're not

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Speaker 1: arguing there, but to have a like just to see

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Speaker 1: what it is unnatural you're the guy that delivers the

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Speaker 1: post it's web serious humor. Wait, this is web serious

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Speaker 1: humor is now mainstream humor? Oh my god? Well, because

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Speaker 1: web series humor then became like Marvel humor. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: now that's like the dominant form of humor. Actually, the

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Speaker 1: guy that delivers the Illini's Postmates is Marvel humor at

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Speaker 1: its finest. Yeah. Well, and god, it's weird to do

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Speaker 1: a podcast and where you want to shit talkum. But

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Speaker 1: I could sense you tense up. I will say that

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Speaker 1: right now, but I literally am like, like, are you

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Speaker 1: friends with Nick Cage? Are not Runs in the Cage?

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Speaker 1: I'm not runs with Aquafina and not friends with Nicholas Holt. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: Nicholas hold and I are actually very close and Aquafina's

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Speaker 1: coming over for dinner later. It's not her fault. You

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Speaker 1: didn't write it. No, but she's like she's like the

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Speaker 1: canary in the coal mine for that type of humor.

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Speaker 1: When you see her, you're like, oh, I know what's

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Speaker 1: going to happen. And by the way, that's not her fault. No, Gods,

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Speaker 1: it's because it's because she is a comedy. She's a

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Speaker 1: comedy relief. She's someone you call for comedy relief. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and usually when you didn't have an idea. Yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: so you're like, yeah, people are sort of like, all right,

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Speaker 1: it up, ham it up. Yeah exactly. Wow that's dark. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thank we turned down all those all those roles and

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Speaker 1: refused to be put in a box AKA refused to

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Speaker 1: to book any auditions. Yeah. When we do an audition,

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Speaker 1: waiting for the perfect role. I'm really sorry to derail

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Speaker 1: the conversation when we were talking about martinis, because I

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Speaker 1: do want to say I know we've both been feeling

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Speaker 1: this very recently, the way I specifically need a martini

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Speaker 1: at all times. I mean, I absolutely relate. What is

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Speaker 1: that and don't say alcoholism it's close. It's not because

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Speaker 1: I actually never I don't. I barely even need. I

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Speaker 1: a martini is like let's get this started. Wait, So

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Speaker 1: to resist the attention economy. It's a way to go

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Speaker 1: back to basics that actually you're playing right into the

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Speaker 1: hands of Mark Zuckerberg exactly. A martini is the drink

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Speaker 1: equivalent of scrolling through your Twitter feed for like two

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Speaker 1: is actually is who what is the alternative? So what

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Speaker 1: does the alternative drinks? Wise? Here's what I'll say. It

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Speaker 1: is not mocktails, because let me tell you something, there

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Speaker 1: and I am pro getting a soda embitters, and I'm

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Speaker 1: pro having a glass of water. But the mocktail lobby

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Speaker 1: is out of control. It's insane, and it should actually

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Speaker 1: me crazy because it's like, well, I know it's expensive

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Speaker 1: wait a minute, your eyes open for the first time

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Speaker 1: in your entire life, like the matrix. Alcohol shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: that expensive either at tequila. Soda should also not ever

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Speaker 1: be like nine dollars. Wow. I mean you're right, but

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Speaker 1: that a mocktail that has like ginger, herrot and mandarin

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Speaker 1: a fancy soda. I had. God, I wish I am

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Speaker 1: would remember the brand. I had the most incredible root

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Speaker 1: You're like, well, they would send like health experts to

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Speaker 1: have a salad maybe with a soda. Oh, and you

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Speaker 1: know it goes great with that. It's like a small

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Speaker 1: diet coke. Do you know what I've noticed recently is

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Speaker 1: more to order a diet coke. The luxury of a

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Speaker 1: soda at the movie theater is like peak. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Martinia of the movie theater. Actually want to Martina,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'll say? Okay, So one time I

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Speaker 1: went to a Regal movie theater. I'm actually a Regal member.

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Speaker 1: Oh congratulations, and yeah, it was a very selective process.

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Speaker 1: And I get there and I was my friend had

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Speaker 1: You're not ungrateful? What was I thinking? Inside? Though? I

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Speaker 1: diet coke. We need to talk about this because a

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Speaker 1: I mean that in a delayed gratification way. Have a

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Speaker 1: You know what I wish? Actually, I wish I want

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Speaker 1: more nuts at movie theaters. That's genius, because a popcorn,

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Speaker 1: if I'm actually hungry, popcorn doesn't do anything for me. No,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, popcorn is one of the most

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Speaker 1: overrated foods in the history of mankind. We need to

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Speaker 1: look into the popcorn lobby and how they establish themselves

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Speaker 1: as like the thing to eat during a movie, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: And can I say something, in what world is popcorn good?

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Speaker 1: In what world it is? I would say it is

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Speaker 1: strictly medium. I'm not saying, oh god, it's disgusting, I'm

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Speaker 1: only form of popcorn I like is like heapcorns, stay

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Speaker 1: at home, pop own where you like make it yourself

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Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, costplaying like nineties girl of course, like, well,

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Speaker 1: making popcorn yourself at home, you are in a commercial

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Speaker 1: for Blockbuster. You are literally in a commercial that's like

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Speaker 1: take the movies home. Yeah, well, little did they know

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Speaker 1: that that would be the death knell for movie theaters

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Speaker 1: Blockbuster would literally kill cinema. The way they keep trying

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Speaker 1: a lot of it does them from like she's really

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Speaker 1: like materialistic and climy, and it's like, yeah, like yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's in Hollywood and has been for her whole life.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta say I've always been sort of a

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Speaker 1: knee jerk defender of Mindy Kaley. It's based on nothing.

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Speaker 1: First of all, her shows are very watchable. Politics aside,

427
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Speaker 1: I have been binging the sex lives of college girls.

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Speaker 1: Really yeah, wow, her shows are very watchable. I do

429
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Speaker 1: sort of think it's cool that she's a woman of

430
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Speaker 1: color that came up in this comedy world and is

431
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Speaker 1: now a power player. Having said that, I just want

432
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Speaker 1: everyone out there to know I have done no research.

433
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 1: I actually sort of don't know what people are mad

434
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Speaker 1: at her about. And so if it's something that I

435
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Speaker 1: disagree with politically, then I'm on your side and I

436
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Speaker 1: will be picketing her mansion. I'm not none. Like with

437
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Speaker 1: all my ideas, it can change on the top and

438
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: the drop of a hat. And if you, for some

439
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: reason are new to this podcast on you know, the

440
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: three year anniversary, which it currently is, you should be warned.

441
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Speaker 1: We don't believe in anything we say. Actually that is

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Speaker 1: something that we should talk about, and what is the

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Speaker 1: status of that it's still true? Yeah, well it's like like,

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Speaker 1: of course we're going to have strong opinions. It's fun, right,

445
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: and then when someone's like that's actually wrong, we're gonna

446
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: be like, okay, well I don't believe it then, right,

447
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 1: It's like I'm not married too. It doesn't define me

448
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: or every episode we are building a tower using little bricks. Yeah,

449
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: those bricks are opinions, and let's say each brick has

450
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Speaker 1: a little opinion on it. One is like Mindy killing

451
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Speaker 1: his mother, another one is capitalism is bad. We are

452
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Speaker 1: using those as a means to an end. Yeah, if

453
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Speaker 1: it makes sense to take the brick that says Mindy

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Speaker 1: killing his mother and put it on the tower in

455
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Speaker 1: order to build the tower that is the episode, I

456
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Speaker 1: will put it there. Yeah. And if it helped the

457
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Speaker 1: tower to just randomly be like, well, actually there's a

458
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: capitalism is good brick too, exactly, it's like, oh, then

459
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: I'll use that exactly. You know what is funny? Um,

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Speaker 1: I know we've talked about talking about the podcast when

461
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: we make the podcast. I've been seeing these like tiktoks

462
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: that have like leaked on a Twitter of this, like

463
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: these two straight guys that do a podcast and they

464
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: I'll just say, like the most insane stuff ever, and

465
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: then they're like kind of dumb, but it's like part

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Speaker 1: of the appeal, and people share it, and it's like

467
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Speaker 1: they share it just both to be like these guys

468
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Speaker 1: are dumb, but also be like this is charming, and um,

469
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Speaker 1: it would be my dream for anyone to say that

470
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Speaker 1: about us. And I actually I'm so like, as we're

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Speaker 1: recording this, I keep thinking about, like, are we saying

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Speaker 1: anything that is extremely dumb that he'll be taken out

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Speaker 1: into like a twenty five second clip and we'll like

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Speaker 1: be shared in this way, and it's actually hindering my performance,

475
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Speaker 1: of course. Well, well this is the thing. Okay, First

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Speaker 1: of all, I mean, you raise approximately a million excellent points,

477
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Speaker 1: but let me let me grasp on to two of them.

478
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: First of all, one of the foundational sort of elements

479
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Speaker 1: of this podcast, I think is that through delving into

480
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: idiocy you can find something smart. It's like you have

481
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: to one up each other's dumbness, like over and over

482
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Speaker 1: and over and over again, until it's almost like offensively dumb,

483
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Speaker 1: until you're almost like making fun of a child because

484
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Speaker 1: of you're like doing an impression of like a first grader,

485
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: like dumb, dumb, dumb dumb. And if you are dumb enough,

486
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 1: you can get to the elemental aspects of human language

487
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: and human life and then rebuild from the ground up

488
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Speaker 1: something smart like the only way like and I actually

489
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Speaker 1: think this is all of the comedy that you and

490
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Speaker 1: I like in different ways. It's sort of like being

491
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Speaker 1: as dumb as possible as an entryway into saying something smart. Yeah,

492
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: that's one thing. Okay. Now the other thing is for

493
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Speaker 1: any of that to work, it has to be in context.

494
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Speaker 1: So what stresses me out about our recent foray into

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Speaker 1: into video, yeah, is that basically, if I say the

496
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Speaker 1: dumbest possible thing, anyone could say, I'm saying that in

497
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Speaker 1: the context of this larger project. But if someone takes

498
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Speaker 1: out that clip and post it on YouTube, maybe I'm

499
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,719
Speaker 1: going to jail. I mean they need Okay, here's what

500
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Speaker 1: I propose to the team. Here's what I proposed to

501
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: the team. Okay, every clip that's shared on social media,

502
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: there's big scrolling red text over our like over it

503
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: that says like, there's other context for this, there's something

504
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: for this, like taking out of context, taking out of context.

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00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. That could be applied to literally

506
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Speaker 1: anything that we get mad about on social media, and

507
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: yet we only only see no, that's righteous anger. Yeah,

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00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: you're right, No, you're You're completely right. Of course, context

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Speaker 1: is key. Some people say context is even more dead

510
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Speaker 1: than cinema. Wow. Wow, call the T shirt printers literally

511
00:26:54,240 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 1: ranking things that are dead. It's like context is number one. Yeah, um, civility,

512
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: it's a three seeds. Context civility and cinema and books

513
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: are four and books are four. Books are just a

514
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: different thing now. Yeah, they're no longer like things you read.

515
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: They're just like fetish objects. They're actually in that sense,

516
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: they actually are definitely relevant. Still, they're more relevant than

517
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: ever as fetish objects. Fetish objects. Yeah, okay. I actually

518
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: so when we started recording this, we were like, you know,

519
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: we're sort of just gonna do like an extended intro

520
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: and like feel it out, and it's like the three

521
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: year anniversary. But it's like also it's whatever we want

522
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: it to be because you know, borders, what's up with that?

523
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Speaker 1: We don't need to be can't be tamed, etcetera, etcetera.

524
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: And I actually think I know what the theme of

525
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: this episode is. I figured it out halfway through. It

526
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: is Stradio Lab redefining the brandow And you know, now

527
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: that it's been made explicit, I'm nervous. Yeah. Yeah, And

528
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: I think because we were doing a lot of like

529
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Speaker 1: saying what our central tenants are ye in a way

530
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: that really felt both necessary sort of like a reintroduction. Yeah,

531
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: it felt necessary and it felt fun. Yeah. I guess

532
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: my question is like, are we read defined, well, what

533
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: is the brand Well, okay, maybe it's a brand summit. Okay, okay, okay.

534
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm sort of like, I guess the what's at steak

535
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: is our ideological what is at steak is the ideological

536
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: framework on which the podcast takes place. So when does

537
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: that make sense? So it's like all these things that

538
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: we're talking we're talking about like where the state of

539
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: the world, but the state of the world from our perspective. Correct,

540
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: that is the framework on top of which we can

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Speaker 1: have an episode that is about you know, bachelorette parties

542
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: or about gender revealed parties, or about like fraternities. We

543
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: have to first like lay the groundwork. Yeah, and so

544
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: I guess we're sort of relaying the groundwork. Interestingly, that

545
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: is not engineering wise sound because the building already exists,

546
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: so you can't just go back and redo the groundwork.

547
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: It's a renewing avows. It's a renewing avows. Yeah. I

548
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: vow to um always answer emails. I vow to bring

549
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: a unique perspective and UM sort of you know, keep

550
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,479
Speaker 1: it light and keep it fun, but still be able to,

551
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, every once in a while, delve into something

552
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: true and not be afraid of that um raw truth

553
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: hidden underneath the silly, the wacky, the polite, even m

554
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: and to always um order seamless. When you are cranky

555
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: and always order Postmates, you are order the dude that

556
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: gets the villain. As Postmates, we're getting a standing ovation.

557
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: People are applauding, Oh, all of New York. I can

558
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: see them coming out of their windows and they're like,

559
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 1: they're like waving flags and stuff. That's amazing. What you Yeah, well,

560
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: I vow. I vow to never get complacent and to

561
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: always dig deeper. Yes, and to do it together. True. Okay,

562
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: so we've redefined the brand, We've re enforced the ideological framework. Yeah. Yeah,

563
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: and we have diagnosed most ills of the world. I

564
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: have a question because I was thinking about what I

565
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: actually would like to do as a topic sometimes. Okay, yeah,

566
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: and I want to hear what yours would be, but

567
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: I also want to say what I think my would be. Okay,

568
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: if I were guests on this podcast, And this is

569
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: sort of we're like kind of planning ahead to maybe

570
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: doing more episodes without guests where we like analyze a topic.

571
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: There's the two of them. Yeah, it's like because guests

572
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: are like a lot of them are like, really dumb.

573
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: We have to address that. Like we had these guests

574
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: on and they're like, oh like I like made this

575
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: TV show and like, oh like, I'm like, you know,

576
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: one of the greatest authors of the generation. It's like, okay, then,

577
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: like be funny. I actually the thing is, like, to

578
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: be clear, it's not their fault. No, we are expecting

579
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: them to come in and act as though they have

580
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: been with us from the start, ei though they have

581
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: been with us in the meetings we had in mid

582
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen where we were deciding whether or not the

583
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: podcast would be called Straighter Things Stradiology or Stradio Lab

584
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: Streology is still funny, Yes, funny and like that simply

585
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: is never going to be the case. Well no, and

586
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: for context, put the big right over this. I'm kidding

587
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: everyone we have on as a genius and a legend.

588
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is like I think too, I

589
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: sort of like that we've done this. We've resisted categorization

590
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: is either like an improv podcast or an interview podcast

591
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: or a culture podcast, and I think that is sometimes

592
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: Troy detriment. Like I do think if we committed to one,

593
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: we would certainly perhaps have more listeners. I think if

594
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: we like Randon and we were like, this is a

595
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: podcast about movies, and each episode is about a different

596
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: the least successful movie of a specific gear, and we

597
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: talk about why it didn't do well or something. Somebody

598
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: just stole that idea or actually that's a terrible idea

599
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: because then people wouldn't have heard of that movie. So

600
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: it's you have to like meet people where they're at,

601
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: Like you're sort of like, you know what, you know what,

602
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: it's like, here's an idea for a podcast. Each episode

603
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: is about the defining movie of a different actor's career,

604
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: and some of them are sort of unexpected. Yeah, so

605
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: it's like some of them for Robert Downey Junior, for instance,

606
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's like soap dish or something. It's like

607
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: someone one that you wouldn't expect, but you're like, well,

608
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: this is where you proved you could do comedy. You know.

609
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: It's like and that that led directly to Iron Man.

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00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: So so that but that's like an example of It's like,

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00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: that's a podcast that is easy to pitch. It's easy

612
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: to do whatever. I would even say our podcast easy

613
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: to pitch, harder to listen to. Well you know what

614
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean. Yeah, because like there's a version of our

615
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: podcast where someone comes in is an expert on a topic,

616
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: and we from beginning to end do an analysis of

617
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: that topic. It's like very literal. It's a very literal reading.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it could also be like even

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Speaker 1: something like so some of our guests come in with

620
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: a topic they are an expert, and some of them

621
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Speaker 1: come in with a topic that they literally know nothing

622
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Speaker 1: about but think it's funny to talk about. Even that range,

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Speaker 1: it's like, already, what are the expectations? Then you have

624
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: some thing like you know, the segments are like commentary

625
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: on segments. Yeah, we're commenting on a podcast, but here's

626
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: a thing sometimes we're not. And that's where it gets

627
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: That's where it gets tricky. Yeah, that is tricky. But

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Speaker 1: I like the option. No. No, to be clear, I

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Speaker 1: would change not a single thing. I think I never

630
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: made a mistake in our lives. Um, why did this?

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Speaker 1: Oh so the topic that I would think, yeah, I

632
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Speaker 1: thought of a good one that I would want to do.

633
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: Um standing still wow, Okay, jewel, that's jewel, right or

634
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: I am standings? I don't know, it's jewel. Probably Okay.

635
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: If not, people are gonna be mad at us. I

636
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: don't care. Okay, it's jewel now, um, I'm sorry. I'm

637
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: loving those standing look into a camera. Yeah, you love

638
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: looking to the kid. It's like I feel very like, yeah,

639
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: I can punctuate any joke. Like I can say anything

640
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: and look at the camera and it starts to read

641
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: the jewel you're getting fleabag? Do you believe him pointing

642
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: to not where I am? Wait? Okay, so um so

643
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: standing standing still. I love that. I was thinking about

644
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: it because I was like, we as gay people, love

645
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: to sort of the joke. You know. It'll be like

646
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: like you look at a fashion shoot and like they're

647
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: being weird on a chair and it's like they told

648
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: the gay person to sit and it's what they did

649
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yes, And I do feel like as gay people,

650
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: we like, we like to dance, we like to fidget,

651
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: Whereas I feel like a straight guy is like the

652
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: only person I know who can just be like yeah completely,

653
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: Like like they'll be in like at an event and

654
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: they'll be like and I'm to say that straight people

655
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: don't move. I do see them. I see movement, tol,

656
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: but I think they're just much more capable of, like

657
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: fully standing still. And the tension is that you see

658
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: that and you're like, oh, that's quote unquote awkward, But

659
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: guess what, from their perspective, they've never been more comfortable

660
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: in their lives. Yeah, there's no just like they are

661
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: comfortable in their own bodies, so they don't need to

662
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: sort of do one hip out. Sorry, I'm addicted. It's

663
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: really good. Okay, So I love standing still. Yeah. I

664
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: think it also points to serve conservativism, like standing still

665
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: is refusing to pass new legislation. It is it is

666
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: like the status quo is good. Why would I move

667
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: when I am standing on my two feet. It's also militaristic. Militaristic.

668
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: They are literally like on guard to go into battle

669
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: at any given time. Yeah yeah, and they're like listening

670
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: to them who's above them, who's like, don't move, and

671
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: they're like okay, easy, Yeah, okay, I love that. Yeah.

672
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: Do you have one? I'm I'm now, I'm I really

673
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: feel like I came unprepared. Let me think, um, and

674
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: to the listeners at home, you know we didn't have

675
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: this prompt beforehand. Well, I do think something like okay,

676
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: here's here's mine advertising as art. Like, I think that

677
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: that can be a lot of different things. It's like,

678
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,720
Speaker 1: you know when people give industry awards to advertisements, yes,

679
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: or when people like back on an advertisement and think

680
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: of it as like iconic in a way that you

681
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: would think of a work of fiction or a work

682
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: of art as iconic. I'm not even saying I disagree

683
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: with it necessarily, because sometimes it is true that, like

684
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: the Got Milk ads are iconic. Yeah, there's no way

685
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: around it. I mean, bud Wiser, Yeah, come on, But

686
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I do I mean what that should be in the moment.

687
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: But I have to say I do think it is.

688
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: I think the mad Men era, and this is coming

689
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: from someone who's never seen mad Men, so bear with me.

690
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: The mad Men era advertising boom led to so much.

691
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: Like it's a direct line from that to unboxing videos

692
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: and sponsored content. Like there is something about like mixing

693
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: art and commerce in that way and advertising becoming a

694
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 1: cool thing. It's like, the coolest thing you can do

695
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: as a creative type is make an advertisement for a

696
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: new tequila. I just think that's like the foundation of

697
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: so much of this stuff we maybe talk about. Yeah,

698
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: I have I have a so you know how I

699
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: have straights all over the world. Um, you know, straight

700
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 1: guys that are touchy with me and make me think,

701
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe something could happen, and I know them

702
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: for decades, nothing ever does, and it's sort of like,

703
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: I guess you're my closest friend now. And so my

704
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Chilean straight um he works in advertising there and it

705
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: is that vibe and it's like he like makes like

706
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: big neons that are like promoting yeah, you know, Coca Cola,

707
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: and it's like but he like shares it like this

708
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: is so cool. I mean, do you know what's the

709
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: sort of a very quintessential millennial version of that painted

710
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: ads in like Bushwick, Like when there is like a

711
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: painted you know, a mural that is a that wait,

712
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: oh my god, there's literally do there is literally a

713
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 1: Zadie Smith essay about this, It'll find your Beach, and

714
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 1: she describes maybe I'm butchering this, but I think I

715
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: think she's just driving a Corona ad that is painted

716
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: onto like the side of the building that's like find

717
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: your beach. And she's talking about like how that appeals

718
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: to a certain kind of consumer compared to like a

719
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 1: less quote unquote sophisticated or like whatever kind of consumer

720
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: I wish. I like remember the details, but I promise

721
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: it's a good as say, Okay, it doesn't matter. The

722
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: point is I think it's like a fascinating I think

723
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: like the painted the painted ads in Williamsburg. I think

724
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: like also the way that advertising is like so sort

725
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: of instilled in everything. Now, It's like, what is a

726
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: brand activation? What is like if you go somewhere, you know,

727
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: when we went to Vulture Fest, for example, and I

728
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: don't say this to as a you know, to judge anyone,

729
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 1: but you went to Vulture Fest, every single room was

730
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: like had a branded name sponsored by three brands. Yeah, which,

731
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: like I get it. You have of course, that's how

732
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: you pay the bills. What do you I mean, listen,

733
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: We're not bringing in money for a Vulture Fest. It's

734
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: not It's not like the straight at brand is not

735
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 1: strong enough. That's why we need to read a which

736
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: is why we need to read fine It. And and

737
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: also the darkest thing with a lot of this is like,

738
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: in some ways, ads are so much more influential than

739
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: some of the great art of our time. Got milk

740
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: is more influential than moonlight? Wow. Um. The idea of

741
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 1: winning an award for an ad yeah, is like that

742
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: was like the childhood idea of like that's what a

743
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: successful person is. Yes, like you working advertising, so your

744
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: job is good and you win an award because you're

745
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: creative and better at it when most people was really

746
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: having your kike and eating it too imber. Not maybe

747
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 1: not as a kid, but as like a fifteen year

748
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: old when you're like, maybe I'll be an architect. Like

749
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: it was like it was like, oh, yeah, that's the

750
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: key work in advertising and win an award for it.

751
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: Did you watch Queer as Folk? I have seen quartis Folk,

752
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: but like very much sort of compilations of the sex

753
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 1: scenes on dailymotion dot com, right, but I have seen

754
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,919
Speaker 1: whole episodes of it. Well because Brian the horny hot

755
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: one huh he works in advertising of course and the

756
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: most classic day job yeah, which which also complicates the

757
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: idea of it being straight culture of course, but like

758
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: it stems for I mean the Madmen era you could

759
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: argue is like extremely straight like self evidently of course,

760
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: but I think it's straight because it is it's a

761
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: saving straight men to be creative. Yeah, It's like it's

762
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: like your kid tells you I'm creative, and then the

763
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: parents are like on the verge of tears. They're like,

764
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: oh no, please don't say cabaret. Please don't say cabaret,

765
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: Please don't say sabaret. I think it is like, so

766
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: I want to do advertising, and they're like, oh, thank God,

767
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: thank Jesus God. Um okay, So yeah, I think I

768
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: really uh yeah, I think advertising as an art form, yeah,

769
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: I think that's very res is a topic. It's also yeah,

770
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: it's also like the only art form where it's like

771
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: you don't inherently get like a boost when you are gay.

772
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: Like I feel like in fashion it's almost like, oh,

773
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: you're gay, so that means it's imbued with more power, right,

774
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: even when it's not necessarily And like same with art.

775
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like, well he's a queer painter

776
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, well I didn't know that. Well,

777
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 1: oh he must be good. But in advertising it doesn't

778
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: boost you at all, And it's like interesting, do you

779
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: know what? I think? What in terms of like queer

780
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: artists and queer what was the other thing you said? Um,

781
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: what was the other thing? I said? Fashion? Queer fashion?

782
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: I almost think sometimes it's the opposite where it's like, well,

783
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: you're gay, so like you're naturally an artist, but this

784
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: person straight, they have to work to be inspired and

785
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 1: to like feel a sense of uh, you know, feel

786
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: out of place with the world, like they are like

787
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: and they're they're a real genius. You're just gay. You're

788
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: one hundred percent right. And especially there's no truer version

789
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: of this than in acting. Yeah, when you're gay, in acting,

790
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: it's like well yeah, but when you're a straight actor,

791
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: it's like, oh my god, Yeah, how did you get

792
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: to do this? Yeah, that's interesting. You are one of

793
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: God's perfect little kids. I'll say this, Jeff Koons could

794
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: never be a gay man right quite simply well because yeah,

795
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: because the game man would be like, I'm not doing this. Yeah.

796
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: It's funny if he got bunked in the head and

797
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: like woke up gay and he was like looking at

798
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: his own pieces and he was like no, like, oh,

799
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: time to pivot. I'm turning a podcast. It's about movies

800
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: that defined actresses. So what do you think the future

801
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: of the Stradia Lab brand is. I don't know, you know,

802
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: I've always felt like there needs to be an element

803
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: when we like go out in the field. M There's

804
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: something about the four walls. There's something about, you know,

805
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: discussing all this stuff only theoretically only with friends or

806
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: acquaintances of ours, only with other people who you know,

807
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: not always share our sensibility, you know, let's say, ideally

808
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: share our sensibility. That feels almost cowardly. Sure, we're in

809
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: our bubble. We're in our bubble. We're in our bubble,

810
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: and I am not sure what the solution is. However,

811
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: I think that is the next frontier. Wow. Reporting to

812
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: you live from you know, the restaurant from the bear,

813
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: the real one, right, reporting to your life from even

814
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 1: and it can be a gay it can be fashion week. Sure,

815
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: it can be the you know, a therapist office, okay,

816
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: anywhere other than a podcasting studio or our bedrooms. Really,

817
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: so you're saying you need to keep expanding, keep expanding.

818
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: You know, this podcast of course started in pandemic and

819
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: then you know, now we can even do in person.

820
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: And your saying, let's just keep going and actually thank

821
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: you for bringing up the pandemic, because don't you sometimes

822
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: feel that like, okay, when you start any project, your

823
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: mindset when you're starting it is sort of what defines

824
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: what it can be. And I think the fact that

825
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: we started it like literally during lockdown, I'm sure, has

826
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: prevented us from thinking outside the box in various different ways,

827
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: because in our minds it's like, well, this is a

828
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: podcast we do on zoom, right, this is our zoom call.

829
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: Is there zoom call that we do with friends that

830
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: we can text and ask them to be on? Yeah? Yeah,

831
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: so that would be my I'm like expansion, but not

832
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: in a not in a capitalist sense, in an artistic sense,

833
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: in a physical in a physical sense literally just be

834
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: in any other room, just go places. And actually, on

835
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: a very literal sense, I am really excited to like

836
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: literally do shows in other cities. Sure, it could be

837
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: a slave not to put you on the spot. Oh,

838
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: I have felt, oh that you are slightly less excited

839
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: about the prospect of touring than I am. I think

840
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: I am. I would love to know. I would love

841
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: to know why. I'm genuinely like, I'm genuinely curious. I

842
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: I know, okay, a few things like I would like doing,

843
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: like an out of town show here or there sounds fun,

844
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: but like a full tour, I worry about getting stressed

845
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: about being like out of my routines for too long. Um,

846
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: I would get stressed about like being like away from

847
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, the dog in Mishaum. But I also I

848
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: also I'm scared. I am scared of like like if

849
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: they're not fully fun, then I'm like, it's not worth it.

850
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: And I don't know, I don't know if we are.

851
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what because we've never done it. I

852
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: don't know what are like out of New York or LA.

853
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Reach is sure and we can like look at the

854
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: numbers somewhat, but I'm still like, what if we go

855
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh and there's like ten people and we're like

856
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: huh and like and like, I know there's beauty in that,

857
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: of course, Like I have done out of town shows

858
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: that have been flop flop flop, and they are some

859
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: of my greatest memories. But at some point I am like,

860
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: but maybe I don't want that anymore, that that flop

861
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: feeling interesting. But I'm warming up to it. I think

862
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: I was. I was more hesitant about like a full

863
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: tour tour, but if it's like, you know, a few

864
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: dates here and there, that sounds fun. I also love

865
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: my summers and this thing we were talking to the

866
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: person that is hopefully planning out of town shows for

867
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: us so and she was like, when would you like

868
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: to do these? And I was like, well, you know,

869
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: it's a couple of months ago. I was like, well,

870
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 1: spring might be too soon, so let's maybe plan for summer.

871
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: And you were like, well, no, summer is off the table.

872
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: I didn't say fully on the table, but I was like,

873
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: Summer's Summer is such a special time. This is like

874
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: I couldnot. I mean, summer is a special time. And

875
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 1: that's why you want you would want to do something

876
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 1: like that, because it's like the audiences will be so

877
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: happy and it'll like the weather will be nice. You

878
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: won't be like, you know, doing a show when it's

879
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 1: like snowing or raining and people have to like trudge

880
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: to the like you know, bar or whatever. Like imagine

881
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: how fun it would be to like look out at

882
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: a sea of tank tops. Sure I can see it

883
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: being fun, and like, you know, like Chicago is a

884
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: place that I would love to go in the summer.

885
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: Sure it is fun, but summer is such a beautiful time.

886
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: I'm just like, so in I guess I think what

887
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: it is is I sort of have a sense of

888
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: urgency where I'm like, we have a sort of momentum going.

889
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel really good about out honestly,

890
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: like all our recent episodes, I feel really good about

891
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: like our audience growing and whatever else where. I'm like,

892
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: if we wait a little bit, we'll be Yesterday's news.

893
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Yeah, this is some honesty.

894
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, No, I respect, I know what you mean,

895
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: and I think you also, you know, after like recently

896
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: I'm not working at Gawker, you feel like, No, that's true,

897
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: that's true. Agency absolutely right. I do think that's a

898
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: bigger part of it than I am willing to admit that.

899
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: It's like I feel sort of restless, like I've now

900
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: been sort of self employed, let's saying for like a

901
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: month and a half. Yeah. And actually, the idea of

902
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: someone tomorrow calling me and being like, great news, You're

903
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: going on tour fifteen cities you start tomorrow, I would

904
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 1: be in heaven. I get a little souvenir from each city,

905
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: a little magnet that said Detroit. I would go to

906
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: all the museums. Yeah, it could be beautiful. But like summer,

907
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm literally like I'm planning so many things already, and

908
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you planning? You have no idea? Okay, well,

909
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: there's so many destinations that are actually close by. Sure,

910
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: I want to go to the gay swimming pool in Vermont.

911
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: You are gay, gay gay. I want to go to

912
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: the gay campground in Pennsylvania. Not believe it. I want

913
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: to go to Fire Island. I want to go to

914
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: jacob Reeze. You were literally like like amish for being gay.

915
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: It's crazy like you and you only to do these

916
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: things in the summer, and it's like get up, you know, fall, winter, spring,

917
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm straight, I work in advertising. I'm I'm completely

918
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: stripped of my um raw homosexuality. And then summer is

919
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: when I really let loose and am I true and

920
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: honest self at LEAs summer weekends, of course, like a

921
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: summer weeks, like I but a summer weekend there's only

922
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: like how many of them are there? Twelve? I see

923
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: what you're saying. You are You're like, yeah, if you

924
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 1: really count them, and it's just the weekends, not talking

925
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: about like taking time off, you're talking about the weekends, Yeah,

926
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: then yes, the tour would take up at least two

927
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: of those for instance, Yeah, well we can do Chicago

928
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: and then we can go visit my parents in Michigan.

929
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: I would love that. That would be fun. Wow. Okay,

930
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: So I feel like we naturally At first, I was like,

931
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to be earnest. That sounds like daunting. Yeah,

932
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 1: I feel like we naturally transitioned into a like half

933
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: earnest discussion. I think that was juicy, and I think

934
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: it's sort of I think it's interesting. I think our differences.

935
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: I think we're so often on the same page in

936
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: a way that I, I mean knock on a little

937
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: bit in a way that I'm very grateful for that.

938
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: I sort of think when we have even even very

939
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: slight slight disagreements like this one, it's like productive because

940
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: you can sort of take the temperature. Yeah. Yeah, but

941
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: I'm down, no, I know, And I'm also and I'm

942
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: not going to like force it either. It's not by

943
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: the way, I'm not trying to be like on Tour

944
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: twenty four seven, but I do actually in a weird way,

945
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: I sort of like crave feeling a little more unmoored,

946
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: like what you're talking about in terms of your routine

947
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: and stuff. I think I thrive a little more than

948
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: you do in a more chaotic Yeah, I can see that.

949
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean when we went to La it was really fun.

950
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: That's the thing. At the same time, never mind, I

951
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: don't want to do Okay, well, well, do you have

952
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: any final thoughts. We've redivied the brand oos and c

953
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: our vows. We've said what our dream topics would be

954
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: if we're we're doing the podcast together. It's the podcast

955
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: without a guest. We've talked about um expanding the podcast

956
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: both in a capitalist sense and in an artistic and

957
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: spiritual sense. I think I've never felt more connected as

958
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: co hosts. Of course, I think it is once in

959
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: a blue moon that you can take a leap with

960
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: someone and have it be like as generally seamless. I

961
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: was like, even even saying generally, I was like, I

962
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm like referencing like, yeah, it's

963
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, um lord knows. We know many people in

964
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: great partnerships that do not have that blessing. No Queen Um.

965
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: I actually have an idea for a final segment. In

966
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,479
Speaker 1: the spirit of expanding physically and in a capitalist sense,

967
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: I think we should um do we should end on

968
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: a fake ad read and okay and and um to

969
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: show you know, potential partners out there, like how how

970
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: few crumbs we would leave after eating it up? Um?

971
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: Okay we can sort of do you want to do

972
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: like you know, you start and then we'll go back

973
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: and forth. Oh very improv right, I love the Yeah, okay, okay, um?

974
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: Are your teeth too yellow? Are they too white? The

975
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: perfect teeth study show are somewhere in the middle, and

976
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: no one will tell you that because that's right. The

977
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: dentist lobby wants you to think the correct color for

978
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: your teeth should be white. But more studies show that

979
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: people with super white teeth die unexpectedly very young. And

980
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: that's why we are both huge fans of Colgate's medium

981
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: white whitening toothpaste. Colgate has partner with Haley Bieber to

982
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: release a toothpaste that will get your teeth to be

983
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: the exact right color. Haley is in the lab and

984
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: she created this color in collaboration with Pantone. And you know,

985
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking, a salm collab. How much

986
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: did she actually work on this And the answer is

987
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more than you work on something.

988
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: She got a full full PhD at Caltech. Yeah, in

989
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: color science, which is in the chemical engineering department, and

990
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: it was really hard for her to get in, and

991
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: she was judged anonymously. She gave a pen name. She

992
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: gave a pen name and a male pen name actually,

993
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: because yeah, that's right. Even in this day and age,

994
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: it's easier to get into the color science program in

995
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: the chemical engineering department as a man, as a woman,

996
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: even if your last name is Bieber or Baldwin. So,

997
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: needless say, she has flipped the scholastic community on its head.

998
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: She is changing science and she is so thrilled to

999
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: be announcing this product in partnership once again with Colgate Caltech,

1000
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: the university, Hailey Bieber, and Pantone, the color company. I

1001
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: never sort of get what they do. I guess paints

1002
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: now for your teeth, not for your teeth. And of

1003
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: course it wouldn't be a product on Stradio Lab if

1004
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: if it wasn't also in partnership with the US military,

1005
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: who it was tested on first, and they reported that

1006
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't even hurt that much exactly, and I believe them,

1007
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: and I believe them. I choose to believe soldiers. And

1008
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,520
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1009
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Speaker 1: dot us Military dot Pantone dot com, slash Stradio lab

1010
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: and with code yes god, you can take an exclusive

1011
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: test that where you give them your information and they

1012
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: tell you. Obviously we said before there's one sheet of yellow.

1013
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: We lied, we were trying to oversimplify it. There's actually

1014
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: many shades and you have to give you have to

1015
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: take a quiz and they will tell you what exact

1016
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: shade micro shade of yellow that all fits into this

1017
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,399
Speaker 1: general shade of yellow. Your teeth should be to match

1018
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: your skin tone, and that's right. We're skin tone inclusive

1019
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: to match your skin tone, gum tone, lip tone, and

1020
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: facial hair tone because they're also gender inclusive. Yes, and

1021
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: it only costs fifty cents for an unlimited lifetime supply

1022
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: if you use the coach sure you'll have. It's fifty

1023
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: cents for a lifetime supply of toothpaste and it comes

1024
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: all at once. So you better cleaned out that closet. Yeah, Mondy,

1025
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: you come out of the closet, Come out of the

1026
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: closet and put your toothpaste at your lifetime supply of

1027
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 1: yellowing toothpaste in there. So work now, wow, that was

1028
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 1: a beautiful as it's good. I actually thought that was great. Yeah, okay,

1029
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: well I think advertise it's going to be impressed with that.

1030
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: I know. And actually, like I always go back and forth.

1031
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: We don't do a lot of our own rad Actually

1032
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 1: we don't do any of our own yeah, currently zero,

1033
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 1: currently zero. And I go back and forth because on

1034
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: the one hand, I'm like, well, that doesn't sound fun,

1035
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: like I don't want to read ads, But then I'm like,

1036
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: what's so so we're not as good as the people

1037
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: who read their own ads. I know. It's such a

1038
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: funny thing of like wanting what other people have even

1039
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: when you know you don't want it. Yeah, and also

1040
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: wanting to be like, well, if we did read our

1041
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: own ads, at least we would have the opportunity to

1042
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: be sort of like self satirizing about it. So even

1043
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: if we were advertising like something truly apparently evil, we

1044
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: could sort of like do it with a wing. Yeah,

1045
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: we'd be good at it, I actually think, um and

1046
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and also sorry about bad ads that have

1047
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: been on the podcast. We're working on it, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: we have no control, but sometimes we can't, but we

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Speaker 1: are working on don't do this. Yeah, we are working

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Speaker 1: on some of them. Are some of the bad ones.

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Speaker 1: Um okay, well, like subscribe and subscribe to our pa. Actually,

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Speaker 1: we would love it if you could subscribe to our Patreon,

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Speaker 1: and we would love it if you would actually post

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Speaker 1: some new reviews on Apple Podcasts. And that's pretty much it,

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Speaker 1: pretty much. Happy three Easter, Happy Easter, happy and happy easy,

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Speaker 1: happy three years, and happy Greek Easter. Oh okay, well goodbye,