1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Jefferson White and I played Jimmy Herdstrom on 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: the Paramount Network original series Yellowstone, and I'm the host 3 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: of the last season of the Official Yellowstone Podcast. I 4 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: am so happy to say that the weight is finally over. 5 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: Yellowstone is back. 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: In celebration of the. 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: Season five premiere, I'm excited to share with you a 8 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: recent CBS Sunday Morning interview with Kevin Costner and Taylor Sheridan, 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,639 Speaker 1: the creator of Yellowstone, It's prequel eighteen eighty three and 10 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: the prequel's upcoming sequel nineteen twenty three. 11 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: Time Wise, westerns were a staple of television. Lee Cowen 12 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: is here to tell us there's a new sheriff in town, 13 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: along with a very different tale from out of the West. 14 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Not far from Montana's bitter Root River, a postcard for 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: the American West, Kevin Costner was stoking a fire. 16 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 4: I mean, this is how you do it. You just 17 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 4: get it closed and you make everything a little convenient. 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 2: For the last five years, this valley has been his campsite, 19 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 2: the backdrop for a modern day Western that's taken off 20 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: like a band of wild mustangs. Yellow Stone a Paramount production, 21 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: our parent company by the way, was the most watched 22 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: scripted series in all of television last year. 23 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 5: Oh and I was supposed to talk about work at 24 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 5: the dinner table in the morning. It's a breakfast table, Beth. 25 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 5: You can talk business at the breakfast table. 26 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: It's a show as sweeping as the family it depicts. 27 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: John Dutton, a Montana rancher played by is a man 28 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 2: with one boot in the past and one reluctantly in 29 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: the present. 30 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 5: Just in America, we don't share land here. 31 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: Land. That's what John Dutton sees as his legacy. The 32 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: only thing more important is loyalty. 33 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 5: If you betray me again, you're tend to me. 34 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 6: Son. 35 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: You understand you think Bonanza meets the god Pond. 36 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 6: Say it. 37 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 5: I'll make a lawsuit much simpler, say stop building or else. 38 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 4: I'm skipping straight towhere else with you you, but from 39 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 4: now on what else is all you get? We're a 40 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 4: little violent. We're like a little bit of murder incorporated 41 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 4: our family. A little bit, a. 42 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 5: Little bit, a little bit. 43 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 2: Yellowstone is a reminder that our notion of the American 44 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: West is hardly as romantic as we sometimes like to believe. 45 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 4: The ranchers that came here they didn't own this land, 46 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 4: and they basically banded together and pushed out the native population. 47 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: The cattle wandered on to rest land. Cattle don't know 48 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 4: the difference between your land and ours. 49 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 3: Neither did we till the government showed us. 50 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 4: It's still beautiful, but it's very easy to forget the drama, 51 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 4: the things that will never recover from He looks warmed up. 52 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: You have to know that world to write it with 53 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: any real sense of authority, and few can do that. 54 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: He like Yellowstones co creator and writer Taylor Sheridan. 55 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 5: I just make movies to support my horse habit. 56 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: If he looks and sounds the part of a horseman, 57 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: well it's because he is one. He'll talk riding and 58 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: roping all day long, but much beyond that he rains 59 00:03:59,160 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: it in. 60 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 5: My least favorite subject is myself. Yeah, I say about 61 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 5: everything I want to say when I write a story. 62 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: There's an economy to his language, a directness that he 63 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: carries to the set too. 64 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 5: I don't run much of a democracy. No, the words 65 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 5: are the words. 66 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 2: He wasn't kidding. 67 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 5: I don't tell people how to act. I don't need 68 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 5: anyone to tell me how to write. 69 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 2: And as writers go. He's been called one of the 70 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 2: most important Western storytellers in decades. He created eighteen eighty three, 71 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: the Pioneer prequel to Yellowstone, starring Faith Hill and Tim McGraw. 72 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: Fact Or Nato. 73 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: It was so popular that there's now a sequel to 74 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: that prequel starring Harrison Ford and Helen Mirren. 75 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 5: It's ludicrous that I'm working with these people. It's fantastically insane. 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: You don't find in any of his works are cowboy cliches. 77 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: It's easy to make a bad Western, says Kostner. Making 78 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: a good one, though, is Sheridan's gift. 79 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 4: Western specifically, they can look really dumb, they can look obvious. 80 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 4: They're hard to make, and that's the problem. 81 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 5: It's like, it's hard. 82 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: To make a Western that you can relate to. 83 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 2: Sheridan relates to it so well because he lives it. 84 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: He owns not one but two ranches in Texas and 85 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 2: actually provides most of the horses for his productions himself. 86 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 5: All the horses, for the most part in our business 87 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 5: are terrible. They're not very broke, they're not very safe, 88 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 5: which is one of the reasons you don't see actors 89 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 5: on very often. And I didn't want to do that, 90 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 5: so I bought all the horses for the show and 91 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 5: then taught the actors how to ride it. 92 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: He couldn't find an actor good enough on a horse 93 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: to play a horse trader on Yellowstone, so Sheridan play 94 00:05:54,600 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 2: the part himself. Try let me run and stop it. 95 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:02,239 Speaker 4: Just ones. 96 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 5: You've been for three hundred thousand dollars, come on just once. 97 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: He fell into Hollywood first as a model. 98 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 5: I don't need to know your name money too. 99 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: He later began to audition and over the years got 100 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: parts and shows like Veronica Mars and Sons of Anarchy. 101 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 5: Fortunally for you, I'm a cop actually bound by the law. 102 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: But after more than two decades of trying, it never 103 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: became a leading may What kept it going. 104 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 5: In the acting world, I think stummornness a refusal to fail. 105 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 5: An interesting thing about Hollywood is if you let it, 106 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 5: if you listen, it will tell you exactly what you're 107 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 5: supposed to be doing. Househo. I have never seen anyone 108 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 5: bang their head against the wall for twenty years and 109 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 5: then make it. I've never seen it. I've seen it 110 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 5: take eight years, I've seen it take ten years, but 111 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 5: I've never seen it take twenty. 112 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: And is that where you would come to? 113 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 5: I had cut, well, I had come to where what 114 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 5: I the best I was ever going to to be was, 115 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 5: you know, tenth on the call sheet. 116 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 2: But one day a friend brought him a project, not 117 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: to audition for, but to write. 118 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 5: I said, look, I have no idea how to do this, 119 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 5: but I have a fifteen year education on how not 120 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 5: to do it. First thing that I wrote was Mary Kingstown. 121 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 5: And I sat down and I wrote the first episode 122 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 5: in about ten hours, really in one night. And when 123 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 5: I was done, I said, man, I wish I had 124 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 5: done this fifteen years ago. 125 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: From then on he began writing at a furious pace. 126 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 2: Out came scripts for films like Sacario, wind River, and 127 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: his Oscar nominated screenplay Hell or High Water. 128 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 5: He got to wait for this boy to make a mistake. 129 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 5: So far they hang, but they will and they're gonna 130 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 5: make it here. 131 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: Not bad for only the second screenplay he ever wrote. 132 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: But when it came to his idea for the series Yellowstone, 133 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: almost everyone in Hollywood passed. Nobody's doing TV westerns. 134 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 5: They said, Look, anytime that Hollywood says a genre is 135 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 5: dead is because they made a bunch of bad movies 136 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 5: about it. 137 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 6: People think of westerns of good guys and bad guys, 138 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 6: and it's really such a different show. 139 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: It makes it much more complex. 140 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 6: Much more and much more appealing. 141 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: Chris McCarthy, Paramount Network President and CEO of MTV Entertainment, 142 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: essentially bet the ranch that Yellowstone would resonate. 143 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 4: What are you doing here. 144 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 6: I've been in television early twenty years and there's very 145 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 6: few times where my eighteen year old niece and my 146 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 6: eight year old aunt asked me about the same show. 147 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 6: And you know, this is one of those moments. And 148 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 6: when you see the entire world, you get it. He 149 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 6: not only creates his own world in the TV series, 150 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 6: he creates that world for himself. And you know he's 151 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 6: unique that way. He writes what he knows, absolutely and 152 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 6: he writes it incredibly well. 153 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: Sheridan now has no fewer than ten paramount series either 154 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: on the air or in the works. Busy doesn't even 155 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: describe his life, and that's just the Hollywood side. He 156 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 2: just became part owner of the historic four to Six's ranch, 157 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: consisting of more than a quarter of a million acres 158 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: near Lubbock, which financially means you'd better keep on writing 159 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: hits to pay it all off. 160 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 5: I was about ready to retire. I had saved, I 161 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 5: had done really good. We were My goal was retired fifty. 162 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: Not that he was going to go play golf or 163 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: something correct as a golf. 164 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 5: I don't know how to I see that much grass. 165 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 5: I want to put cows on it. How's he priced. 166 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 2: It was? John Wayne to One said that nothing is 167 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: so discouraging to an actor then to have to work 168 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: for long hours upon hours in brightly lighted interior sets. 169 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: Kevin Costner feels pretty much the same way. The outdoor 170 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: world of the West that Taylor Sheridan has created is 171 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: a place that no one really wants to leave. What's 172 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 2: it like at the end of the days shooting though? 173 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: Do you guys all come down here and hang out? 174 00:09:59,240 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: And I do? 175 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: So I come down here and sometimes I just don't 176 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 4: go yeah home, you just stay here just because I 177 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 4: just stay right here. I mean, if those mountains don't 178 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 4: feel the need to move, why should I. 179 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: If you want more Yellowstone, you can catch up with 180 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: the podcast every Sunday. This isn't just your typical recap podcast. 181 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: Every week you're gonna get exclusive access to cast and 182 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: crew members who will take you behind the scenes of 183 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: season five in a way that no other podcast can. 184 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: Saddle up for All new episodes of the Official Yellowstone Podcast, 185 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: available on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.