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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thursday edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1: kicks off right now. Clay on vacation today tomorrow, so

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Speaker 1: it's going to be me Buck hanging out with all

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Speaker 1: of you, Sollo for the next couple of days. They'll

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Speaker 1: be back on Monday. I have told him he is

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Speaker 1: under orders to get the first professional massage of his life.

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Speaker 2: We will see if he goes for it.

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Speaker 1: He's at a very nice bed and breakfast and spa situation.

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Speaker 1: A lot of news going on right now, a lot

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Speaker 1: of things happening. We have Governor Ronda Santis of Florida

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Speaker 1: has spoken out on the migrant flights that have landed

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Speaker 1: in Sacramento, California. Gavin Newsom, if you remember, was saying

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Speaker 1: this might be kidnapping, which is completely idiotic. But then again,

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom said it, so none of this is surprising.

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Speaker 1: FBI Director Ray has caved to the House Oversight Committee

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Speaker 1: request to see the document that has to do with

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Speaker 1: the allegation of a five million dollar bribe scheme to

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden when he was Vice president. We had Congressman

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Speaker 1: Anna Paulina Luna on yesterday all on this very issue,

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Speaker 1: and today the news is Ray has said, fine, fine,

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Speaker 1: you get to see the informant report from within the FBI,

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Speaker 1: someone who was we're told very credible based on what

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Speaker 1: has been released in the past, what his FBI interactions

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Speaker 1: have been, will discuss some of that. You've got, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: some back and forth over whether Trump is imminently going

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Speaker 1: to be charged. I can tell you that there were

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Speaker 1: stories up yesterday that had claimed even that Mark Meadows

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Speaker 1: was working. This is from the Independent, which is UK publication,

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Speaker 1: that Mark Meadows had flipped. The Meadows camp has said

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Speaker 1: that is not true at all. So there's conflicting reporting

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Speaker 1: about This is what I'm getting at with all of you,

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Speaker 1: whether or not there will be a prosecution of Trump imminently,

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Speaker 1: meaning in the next few days. This will be a

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Speaker 1: federal prosecution, different from what we've seen in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Trump has been told, there are many reports that he

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Speaker 1: has been told that he is a target of the

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Speaker 1: investigation that Jack Smith is running as a special council,

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Speaker 1: another special council against Trump. We're going to have to

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Speaker 1: talk about this, not the first one, there's a special

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Speaker 1: council while he's president. Now there's a special council looking

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Speaker 1: at January sixth and the documents that covers Trump partially

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Speaker 1: when he was president and now while running for president.

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Speaker 1: This is show damaging but will for the Republic. I

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Speaker 1: think the obvious political bias here of the targeting as

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Speaker 1: a parent for all the sea. We'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: as well. And to start us off today, I wanted

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Speaker 1: to because we had a number of calls yesterday. Some

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Speaker 1: we're able to get to you. Whither's just coming in

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Speaker 1: with a lot of people sharing their views on Mike

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Speaker 1: Pence generally and more specifically Pence running for president. Right now,

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Speaker 1: there is some polling out, some early polling for Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just Iowa that I'm looking at here, and

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Speaker 1: I know it's super early, and you know, you can

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Speaker 1: take this for what it's worth. There was a Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal call row of editorial.

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Speaker 2: I read everything, so I read these things. There was

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Speaker 2: a Wall Street Journal call row of editorial.

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Speaker 1: Looking at how in the past these numbers that we're

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Speaker 1: looking at here today with other candidates have changed dramatically. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: somebody could be at five percent today and all of

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Speaker 1: close to winning.

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Speaker 2: In Iowa.

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Speaker 1: You look at the numbers for Ted Cruz very early on,

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Speaker 1: and then he went on to win.

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Speaker 2: We look at the numbers for.

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Speaker 1: A whole range of different candidates and they improved dramatically

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Speaker 1: over a pretty short period of time. So here's where

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Speaker 1: we are today. Here's the numbers as we can we

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Speaker 1: can see them. Trump is at thirty nine percent for Iowa.

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Speaker 1: DeSantis is at twenty nine percent. Now, the news story

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Speaker 1: that was getting some attention here is that the shift

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Speaker 1: is just in this poll, the shift is down nine

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: But Senator Scott is at seven percent, Hailey is at

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, Vivek, probably it's got to think very

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Speaker 1: well of being tied with the former vice president of

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Speaker 1: forty five in Iowa, DeSantis at forty three in Iowa. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence is saying for a moment. I think yesterday

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Speaker 1: writing in and calling in to say they respect Mike Pence,

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Speaker 1: they like him, A lot of you like him. Do

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Speaker 1: you think he's going to be president? No, didn't really

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Speaker 1: get that sense. I didn't really hear from anybody. Now

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Speaker 1: you disagree, Our lines are open eight hundred two two

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Speaker 1: out to Mike Pence. We're trying to get him to

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Speaker 1: come on the show. So hopefully we'll get him the

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We already have Nicki Haley coming on on Tuesday. I've

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Speaker 1: told the team in response to many of your requests,

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Speaker 1: people have said, well, what do you think of RFK?

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Speaker 1: I said, I I've I've got to talk to him myself.

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Speaker 1: Let me talk to him, let me ask him some questions.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna reach out to RFK Junior again. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have we'll have to have the VEC back on in

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Speaker 1: the weeks ahead of but we're gonna get everybody in

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Speaker 1: the mix here gonna you're gonna get to hear from everyone.

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Speaker 1: I think we do have Chris Christi coming on, or

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Speaker 1: we should have Chris.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even though if you saw what he's done

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Speaker 1: so far, he is he's just going all in against Trump.

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Speaker 2: That is what Chris Christie is doing.

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Speaker 1: Now, does he get the numbers to get on that

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Speaker 1: debate stage in terms of donations, in terms of the

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Speaker 1: he's a big enough name with big enough numbers. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have Asa Hutchinson on. Probably not. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think we do have to set some kind of a cap.

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Speaker 1: reached out to Christie's team several times, no response, which

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Speaker 1: he let me know team? Has he gone on Shawn's

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Speaker 1: if you're not going to go on those shows, you're

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Speaker 1: not really running for Republican You're not really running as

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Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that you really So maybe

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Speaker 1: he's just running this this mission to destroy Trump and

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Speaker 1: that's all it is. We'll see, But Pence, this was

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Speaker 1: interesting we had discussed here on the show because I

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Speaker 1: think the January sixth opinion of these different candidates gives

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Speaker 2: Well visa VI Trump, certainly, but.

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Speaker 1: Also how much do they really view how much do

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Speaker 1: they understand what we're up against here with the usage

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Speaker 1: of the justice system as a weapon of politics. I

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Speaker 1: thought this was a moment for Mike Pence. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be very difficult for me if he comes in

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Speaker 1: is you know, we asked Ron DeSantis about pardons on

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Speaker 2: If he were to be president.

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Speaker 1: Trump has said that there will be pardons for January

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Speaker 1: for some January sixth defendants. Ron DeSantis has says he

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Speaker 1: would certainly consider very specific language pardons for January sixth defendants,

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Speaker 1: and if Trump were to be indicted and convicted some

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Speaker 1: ifs there he would also consider it for him. Here

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Speaker 1: is what Mike Pence said when he was asked. I

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Speaker 1: his CNN town hall. We've got a couple of clips

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Speaker 2: Play two.

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Speaker 4: You know, on the day of January sixth, I issue

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Speaker 4: a tweet demanding that people leave the capital and the violence,

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Speaker 4: and I said that those that fail to do that

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Speaker 4: should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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Speaker 4: And I continue to believe that today we cannot ever

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Speaker 4: allow what happened on January sixth to happen again in

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Speaker 4: the heart of our democracy. And I'll stand by the

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Speaker 4: decisions and the due process of court in our laws.

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Speaker 4: And I have no interest or no intention of pardoning

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Speaker 4: those that assaulted police officers or vandalized our capital. They

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Speaker 4: need to be answerable to the.

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Speaker 1: Law, fullest extent of the law. Mister Pennce, Okay, well

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Speaker 1: as somebody who has some familiarity with how criminal law

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Speaker 1: on terrorism cases. There's what the law does to you

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Speaker 2: And there's what the law can do to you if

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Speaker 1: In the case of a terrorist, obviously an enemy of

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Speaker 1: there were some individuals, There were people who were violent

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Speaker 1: for conspiracy. Does that seem fair? I would want to

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Speaker 1: And then let's take it to an even more egregious

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Speaker 1: miscarriage of justice. They held January sixth defendants, in many

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Speaker 1: that they were a risk for a second insurrection as

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Speaker 1: lives are ruined, their jobs are gone, They're facing years

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Speaker 1: by the Biden White House in some cases, for doing

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Speaker 1: nothing more than walking into a building with police talking

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Speaker 1: and then they're going to try another insurrection. Really, does

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Speaker 1: anyone believe that, I don't think so well. Does any

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Speaker 1: The answer is, of course no. Democrats have convinced themselves

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Speaker 2: Of the state. You know what their ultimate crime was.

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Speaker 2: For those who were nonviolent, it's.

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Speaker 1: All a question of scale, right, It's all a question

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Speaker 1: of equal justice under the law. Why is somebody who

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Speaker 1: to spend years and years in prison. But the hundreds,

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Speaker 1: if not thousands, of BLM riders in twenty twenty throughout

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Speaker 6: Thank you. Mike Pence will never be the president of

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Speaker 7: On, Mike, Hey, thanks for taking my call. Buck that's

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Speaker 7: I got to watch Pence be our governor for four years,

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Speaker 1: He's not even gonna have the support of the people

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Speaker 1: in his home state.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely not. He couldn't win the primary year.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Mike, thank you for calling in and

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Speaker 1: for explaining the Hoosiers point. Yes, the Hoosiers. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was the basketball team. It is just the people

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Speaker 1: from the state as well, which is good to know.

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Speaker 1: Danny in North Carolina. I'm gonna be in North Carolina

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Speaker 1: this weekend, Danny, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Huh? I wanted to call about Mike Tents and make

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Speaker 3: a quick statement, maybe about Line DeSantis. But Mike Tents

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Speaker 3: to me, after watching the seeing his town hall, he

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Speaker 3: seems to be to be more. I would say to Trump,

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Speaker 3: he's just very disloyal. Mike Pence, how would you say

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Speaker 3: that he had he had opportunity to send to stuff

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Speaker 3: votes back to the States, and he did not. I

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Speaker 3: don't remember seeing the thing in Georgia with a ballots

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Speaker 3: coming under the table ever being addressed, to my knowledge.

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Speaker 3: But to say what he said also about Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: he's just disloyal and DeSantis also as well. I think

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Speaker 3: he made a comment that he would not run against

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump, and now he is after Donald Trump helped

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Speaker 3: him gain the governor back of Florida. It's just two

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Speaker 3: disloyal people, and I think they're both establishment and the

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Speaker 3: establishment for them is just like they tried to trick

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Speaker 3: Trump with getting Paul Ryan Bill Barr If the rest

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Speaker 3: of the Republicans putting them in, they're just upset. Trump's

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Speaker 3: upsetting their gravy train and the free money they're getting

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Speaker 3: off the taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: Who is a good example in your mind, Danny, of

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Speaker 1: someone who is who is in the public eye and

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Speaker 1: as a politician at a high level, who has stayed

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Speaker 1: loyal to Trump.

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Speaker 3: That wasn't ready for that question.

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Speaker 2: But no, look, it's not I'm not I wasn't trying

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Speaker 2: to put you on the spot.

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Speaker 3: It's just Terry Lake was a good person for him.

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Speaker 3: I thought Ron Detis would be. He's got support from

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Speaker 3: uh several other ex governors one ready for that one

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Speaker 3: right off?

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Speaker 1: But no, no, no, that's that's fine. I'm just I

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Speaker 1: was thank you. Look, Danny, thank you for calling in

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Speaker 1: and sharing your opinion on it. I think it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: just because the charge of disloyalty from Trump has been

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Speaker 1: made against a lot of people, and I'm I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to think who that was part of the first administration.

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Speaker 2: Uh is who.

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Speaker 1: Gets kudos for for loyalty. We hear a lot about

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Speaker 1: the disloyalty, So who would be the the loyal folks

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Speaker 1: from within Trump's orbit of the first term? Mike in Barkhamstead, Connecticut,

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Speaker 1: I just learned the name of a new town. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I said it right.

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Speaker 8: What's going on, Mike, It's bark Hampstead. And I apologize

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Speaker 8: for being in liberal connect etiquette, but.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, I can I just tell you something.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you a little secret, just you and

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Speaker 1: me and a few million people listening. I love Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: I think it's beautiful. I think the architecture is amazing.

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Speaker 1: I just don't like the politics that's you know. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a great state. I just wish we could

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Speaker 1: fill it with Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, I.

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Speaker 8: Agree with you so much. Okay. So I think that

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Speaker 8: Pence is another Liz Cheney and a John McCain. I

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Speaker 8: don't think he has the back of the Republican Party.

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Speaker 8: I put a lot of money into Donald Trump. I

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Speaker 8: voted for him twice. I think he's one of the

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Speaker 8: best presents we ever had for what he did with

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Speaker 8: the obstacles they put in his way. This time around,

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Speaker 8: I will vote for Ron DeSantis, but if I have

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Speaker 8: to vote for Trump because he's left standing, I will.

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Speaker 8: But I don't vote for Pence. Pence don't. Pence doesn't

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Speaker 8: support the you know, the Democrats will fall on a

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Speaker 8: sword for another Democrat. Pence won't do that, and that's

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Speaker 8: what we need, and I think DeSantis will, and I

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Speaker 8: just can't vote for the guy.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So just now, now we've even got more lines

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Speaker 1: lit up, I'm gonna just clear I'm gonna clear them

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Speaker 1: out for a second, and we're gonna we're gonna come

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Speaker 1: back in and start talking a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: I know it's an obvious call when I said yesterday,

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Speaker 1: but it turned out to be very true, which is

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Speaker 1: that there are forest fires in uh Quebec, and there's

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Speaker 1: there the smoke has blown toward New York and all

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Speaker 1: over social media and at the very top, whether it's

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Speaker 1: the Canadian government or Democrats in this country, it's all

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Speaker 1: climate change talk all the time.

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Speaker 2: You can't make this stuff up. It's climate change.

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Speaker 1: Every every bad, every bad natural environmental disaster or problem

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Speaker 1: that exists, the climate change cult will claim that it

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Speaker 1: is the result of climate change.

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Speaker 2: I can prove this so easily to you.

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Speaker 1: Hurricanes climate change, tornadoes, climate change, uh smoke, climate change,

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Speaker 1: title wave climate change, whatever, it's all climate change.

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Speaker 2: They never stopped to think.

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Speaker 1: Hold on a second, all this stuff existed before, it's

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Speaker 1: still happening. Do you really think this belief system you

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Speaker 1: have that's proven wrong every ten years? Anyway, But what

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Speaker 1: I want to say about the phone lines is now,

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Speaker 1: I just want to know, because I really want to

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Speaker 1: have the broadest voice and opinion possible. Here brought us

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Speaker 1: a number of voices about where we are on this primary.

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Speaker 1: I did not we didn't just take the anti Pence calls.

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Speaker 1: Pence just got lamb basted on the air here by

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Speaker 1: all the callers. Is there anybody who wants to take

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Speaker 1: the pro Pence decision or just wants to speak up

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Speaker 1: in defense of Pence as a candidate.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just putting that out there.

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Speaker 1: If you call in, we'll take your call, because I

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Speaker 1: think we've heard We've got another five calls who are

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Speaker 1: like Pence is wasting everybody's time. Okay, we get that,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I just want to see if there's any

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Speaker 1: alternative point of view. If we don't take one of

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Speaker 1: those calls, it is because nobody has called in to

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Speaker 1: make the pro pen's case, and you know I can't

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Speaker 1: can't make them appear out of fit air. So eight

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Speaker 1: hundred two two two eight a two we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that as well, all right, Switching gears. Few full time

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Speaker 5: On the Sunday Hang with Clay and Buck podcast.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back, we're going to talk about the

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Speaker 1: smoke envelopment of the Northeast and the climate change stuff

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Speaker 1: all around that coming up in the next hour. Also,

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Speaker 1: we'll dive into where does the legal fight that Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is going through right now?

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Speaker 2: Where does that stand? Charges?

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Speaker 1: Many many publications news outlets are saying charges against Trump

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Speaker 1: are imminent. Does that mean days or weeks? We don't know,

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Speaker 1: but there are reports that are conflicting reports right now

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Speaker 1: that he's been told he is a target, and even

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Speaker 1: that he should expect an indictment soon. Now Trump has

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Speaker 1: denied that he expects charges. He has not denied that

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Speaker 1: he is a target. Well, I mean we all know

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Speaker 1: he's a target. That's why they have this special counsel.

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Speaker 2: Right. So anyway, we do have a bunch of pro

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Speaker 2: pens calls.

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Speaker 1: So I want to trying to create trying to create

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Speaker 1: some balance here. Want to hear from some of you

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Speaker 1: on the on the other side of this one. Let's

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Speaker 1: get Nick, another North Carolina called Nick in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: I'll be up in your beautiful state this weekend with

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Speaker 1: Carrie's family.

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Speaker 3: Nick.

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Speaker 2: What's going on?

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Speaker 9: Hi?

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Speaker 5: How are you good? So?

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Speaker 10: I'm definitely pro tense over Trump because one, he's electable.

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Speaker 10: Trump failed to win the election last time, and he

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Speaker 10: has got a moral compass, which I don't think anyone

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Speaker 10: should say that Trump has a moral compass.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Nick, thank you for calling in. Christian in

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Florida, also pro Pence. Christian, does that mean

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Speaker 1: you'll vote for him or you just like the guy?

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Speaker 3: I like the guy.

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Speaker 11: You have to remember that ninety six percent of the

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Speaker 11: party liked the guy before January sixth, and I've seen

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Speaker 11: Pence speak multiple times, and he was one hundred percent

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Speaker 11: Trump's best, biggest cheerleader. In January fifth, everyone uped him.

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Speaker 11: In January sixth, everyone hated him. So if we want

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Speaker 11: to beat Joe Biden, we're gonna have to go down

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Speaker 11: another road besides Trump. And I think Pence showed during

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Speaker 11: the last four years for his term that he was

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Speaker 11: a great leader.

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much, Christian Jeff and Boca Ratone, Florida.

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Speaker 1: You've got an interesting idea of what you think the

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Speaker 1: eventual GOP ticket will be.

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Speaker 9: Yes, thanks for taking my call. And I want to

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Speaker 9: tell you guys, as you do a great job. I'm

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Speaker 9: so excited to listen to your show every day.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate that.

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Speaker 9: You know you're doing justice to russiall IMBA's legacy.

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Speaker 2: Let me just tell you that we try to serve

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Speaker 2: his audience every day, sir. Thank you.

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Speaker 9: You know, listen, I think that Pence DeSantis is the

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Speaker 9: winning combination. I want to say I voted for Trump

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Speaker 9: twice and if he is eventually the Republican nominee, I'll

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Speaker 9: vote for him again. I'll happily vote for him again.

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Speaker 9: I don't think that he can beat this incompetent president

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Speaker 9: that we.

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Speaker 3: Have right now.

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Speaker 9: On the other hand, Mike Pence, he has displayed good character, integrity,

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Speaker 9: he's got experience, and you know what, this can't become

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Speaker 9: Wringling Brothers and Varnum and Bailey circus this time. There's

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Speaker 9: too much on the line here to lose. And I

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Speaker 9: picture Pence DeSantis as a winning combination. They can beat

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Speaker 9: Trump in the primary, just the same way that Trump

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Speaker 9: beat up those seventeen other Republican candidates in the twenty

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Speaker 9: sixteen primary. It's going to be the opposite. This time.

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Speaker 9: You're going to see fifteen guys on the stage all

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Speaker 9: ganging up and beating him up, and they're going to

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Speaker 9: bruise him up, and they have a lot of ammunition

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Speaker 9: to do it this time around. Pence, on the other hand,

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Speaker 9: isn't going to get emotional. He's just gonna do the job.

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Speaker 9: He's going to do it with integrity. He's got experience,

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Speaker 9: and I think DeSantis coming along with him. I don't

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Speaker 9: think Pence would ever be vice president to DeSantis, but

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Speaker 9: I think DeSantis would be wise to be Pence's vice

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Speaker 9: president if he's asked to be exact.

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard I haven't heard that from anyone else Christian,

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Speaker 1: thank you for calling in that. Maybe it would be

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Speaker 1: Pence with the Santis as his VP eventually downline. One

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Speaker 1: more call here and then we're gonna switch gears and

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Speaker 1: get into I'll probably get into the Trump legal situation

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Speaker 1: coming up here in a moment, and just how absurd

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Speaker 1: the whole thing is.

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Speaker 9: John in.

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Speaker 2: Vacaville, California, and I get am I.

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Speaker 5: Close, Yeah here closes Vacaville, California. Yeah, he thanks taking

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Speaker 5: my call again. I want to echo the last caller.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for what all you guys are doing. Uh, it's

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Speaker 5: doing a great job. And you are doing a service

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Speaker 5: to our country. Again, that last caller, he hit the

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Speaker 5: nail on the head man. Pence on the ticket does

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Speaker 5: a lot of great things for our country. He I

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Speaker 5: love how he's a Christian first man. He puts God

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Speaker 5: first and then and in country is his second right.

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Speaker 5: And that's what we need in this country where God

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Speaker 5: has been taken and removed away from this country. And

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Speaker 5: we see it. We see it every single day, especially

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Speaker 5: here in California. Man, we really see it here in California.

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Speaker 5: It's gone and with with Pens coming back and Pins

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Speaker 5: beat on that ticket, you have a true Christian that

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Speaker 5: if the leaves in the Bible believes in God, it's

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Speaker 5: gonna put Christ first and he's gonna seek God.

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Speaker 1: Every single John we got, we got to bounce John.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much and I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 1: Every time Gavin Newsom appears on TV, I think that

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be fire in the background and a little

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Speaker 1: BLS above action