WEBVTT - This is Dramatic with Larsa Pippen and Marcus Jordan 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:06.000 This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:09.840 Chris Harrison here coming to you from the home office 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.680 in Austin, Texas. I have such an interesting, such a 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.480 compelling show today because of the guests that I have, 0:00:17.320 --> 0:00:22.400 Larsa Pippen and Marcus Jordan. They are a couple. If 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:26.240 you don't know about them, let me explain briefly before 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.640 we jump into this interview, because context and the facts 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:35.360 that surround this are incredibly important. Larsa Pippen was married 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:39.920 to Scottie Pippen for some what twenty twenty three years now. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.200 They did meet and fell in love at the latter 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.920 stages and really at the end of Scotty's run with 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:51.159 the Chicago Bulls. Marcus Jordan is Michael Jordan's son, the 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:56.000 greatest basketball player of all time, the Goat. But these 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.520 two gentlemen, Scotty Pippen and Michael Jordan, will forever be 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.800 intertwined because of their run with the Bulls, their dynasty. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:10.839 They were the greatest basketball franchise probably ever and without Michael, 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.280 there wouldn't be Scotty. Without Scotty, there wouldn't be Michael. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.440 They went on to the Dream Team won Olympic gold. 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:20.160 I mean, these two guys were as synonymous as peanut 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:23.720 butter and jelly. They just go together. So when news 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:29.240 broke that Scotty's ex wife, Larsa and Michael's son were dating, 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:32.479 it's just the optics and the sound of it all 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.760 was just too much for our little brains to handle, 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:42.080 and our imagination started to run wild. There's Larsa with 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.960 a young Marcus, a baby Marcus Jordan babysitting him and 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.960 robbing the cradle and is that what it was like? 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.880 How long did they know each other? And it had 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:55.840 this weird feel and then the tabloids went crazy. Well, 0:01:56.000 --> 0:02:00.560 none of that is true. That perspective is a false narrative. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.320 And what I wanted to dive into today with them, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.200 what are the facts, what's real and what's not real 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:14.240 about your story, about your relationship, about your love. And 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:21.160 so let us begin and joining me now, Larsa and Marcus, Larsa, Pippen, 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.840 Marcus Jordan, guys, thank you so much for being here. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:24.520 It's good to see you. 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.000 It's good to see you too, Thanks for having me. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:31.760 You guys are in Miami together. Correct, obviously we don't 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:33.120 have the video for the rest of the world. But 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.440 you guys, are y' all living together in Miami? 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:37.760 Yeah? I mean pretty much. So. 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.120 I own a retail store actually headquartered out of Orlando. 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:43.720 It's only three hours away, and so I'm finding that 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.640 I'm spending like three and a half weeks in Miami 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:48.959 these days, and I get up like a half a week. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:50.120 Yeah, exactly. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:56.840 So can we let's define this relationship? If we're on 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:59.239 Facebook right now? How are we defining this? 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:07.080 Definitely in a relationship. I can't remember the Facebook status? 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.200 Are we in love? Are we? Is this a serious relationship? 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:12.639 Absolutely? 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:14.000 Yeah. 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.160 I just saw you. I was reading through and I 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.320 see you know, it's like, well are they aren't they? 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.960 Is this for real? And so that's the main thing 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.920 I wanted to clear up this is this is legit. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.480 This is for real, very much so for real, I think. 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:26.760 You know. 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.480 Obviously, the title of our podcast is Separation Anxiety, and 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.280 you know, we came up with that name because we 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.480 genuinely experienced separation anxiety when we're not together. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.520 I love that. What is the origin story here? When 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:39.760 did you guys first meet? 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:41.360 Yeah? 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.400 We met in La We met at a party four 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.800 years ago. I talk about this all the time because 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:48.520 I feel like people think we knew each other. 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:48.920 Yeah. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.440 Well, that's the thing is you when people think of you, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.920 and whether it's fair or not, you think Scottie pipp 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:58.600 and Michael Jordan, you think of the nineties, whether you 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.640 just watched the documentary or like me, you were a 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.360 sportscaster back in the nineties. So I think people take 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.840 this snapshot of you two. But Marcus, clearly you were 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.480 there in those days with your dad, But Larca, you 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:10.800 were not. 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.440 Well, I was in college when they played together, So 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.560 I was in college at you. I see Scotty and 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.800 Michael played together for one year when I was there. 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.560 I caught like the back end of it was my 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:22.280 senior year in. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:26.200 College when you and Scotty were dating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:27.880 so but that was the end that was like late 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:28.960 we're talking late nineties. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.080 Yes, yeah. 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.520 I just think that's a big misconception is that you know, 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.200 she was around, she was babysitting me when I was young. 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:41.000 But no, I think you know, obviously she started dating 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.400 her exit, you know, the tail end of the nineties, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.960 and we met four years ago, and that's really where 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:46.960 our relationship started. 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:51.039 And but I think it's just the two names. And 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:52.440 I know you guys get this. 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:56.520 Really honestly, I think that's what's the names. Yeah, it's 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.640 been names that really, like I feel like, is the 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:00.640 problem the names? 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.000 They are synonymous with each other. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.960 Yeah, And I feel like people have their own opinions 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:08.400 of what their actual relationship was, and you know that 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:09.640 might differ from you. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.920 Know, what it really was as far as Scotty and Michael. 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:13.919 Correct. 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.720 Well, I mean the two were intertwined regardless. I mean 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.240 without Scotty there would be no Michael. Without Michael, there 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.320 would be no Scotty. I mean it really was the 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.360 Batman and Robin of a dynasty. And so those two 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.839 names were just so intertwined and it was funny. I 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:32.240 just without knowing I was doing this with you guys. 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:35.920 I just rewatched The Last Dance again, the great documentary 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.560 on your Dad, and you know, one thing that struck 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.039 me and I'm glad you're here when I was watching 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.560 it was the lack of family. And I don't know 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.320 if that was meant to be, if that's the way 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:48.360 they wanted it. You guys kind of came in at 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.200 the very end. But yeah, I kind of wanted to 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:55.280 see that side in your relationship and what is your 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:56.640 relationship with your dad right now? 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:57.160 What was it? 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.000 Yeah, I think my relationship with my dad is super tight. 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.120 I think with regards to the last Dance, I think 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.359 there was a lot of interest and intrigue around the 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.159 dynamic of the team, the dynamic and the players and 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:13.640 the ownership. Obviously, that documentary took place with regards to 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.680 like the ninety eight season, and you know, there was 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.840 as you know, there was a lot going on going 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.920 into that year, and so I think for the documentary purposes, 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.040 they wanted to keep it about what was happening on 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.040 the court, the front office, et cetera. You know, obviously 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:31.799 I was working tightly with the producers and the director. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:34.680 They actually sent me episodes early just to try to 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.760 make sure from an authenticity standpoint, everything was on point. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.120 But you know, I think that was the focus was 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:44.640 those you know, basketball playing years and the dynamic there 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:49.200 and so yeah, I don't you know, regarding our relationship today, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.560 we just got back from a trip, a family trip 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.680 to Turks and Kkos. You know, I talked about all 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.240 the time, I go play golf at Grove twenty three 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.320 all the time, so you know, I see him very frequently. 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.920 What was your because well, Larsa obviously didn't know you 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.720 during those days. Again, let's let's clear that up. But 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:10.120 you knew Scotty, you were around the franchise, around the 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.120 team a lot. What was your relationship with Scotty back 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.000 in those days and do you still have a relationship 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:16.360 with him? 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.440 No, you know, honestly, my dad's relationship in Scotty's relationship, 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.520 that was between them, you know, And you know, I 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.760 was very very young. I was born nineteen ninety and 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.080 so even through that dynasty, I was very very young, eight. 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:31.400 Nine years old at the. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.960 Eleven eight nine during you know, the taping of dance 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.920 and so, you know, their relationship was their thing. And 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.480 you know, obviously as an adult, you know, I've been 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:41.920 around my dad more. I kind of, you know, started 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.720 to understand what was going on more. But you know, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.000 I didn't really have a relationship with them. That that's 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.120 you know what Scotty, I should say, that's more you know, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:49.720 their business. 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:51.960 So you mentioned you hang out with your dad and 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:56.480 vacation and golf. Has the conversation come up, Hey Dad, 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.239 I'm dating Scotty's ex wife Larsa. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.280 Yeah, I mean, look, I think how we came up 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.120 originally was through the press, in the media and all 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:06.720 of the different levels of interest. 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:08.360 When we first started dating, and. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.400 Honestly, before we were in dating, we were just friends 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.840 going on lund hanging out, and so you know, once 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.560 all of that stuff became public and was in the media, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.240 he definitely reached out to me and was like, hey, 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:18.840 what's going on? 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:20.200 Is this is this a real thing? 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.520 And I let him know, you know, as it developed 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.120 that it was definitely genuine, and you know, he gives 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.560 me the utmost support and just wants to see me happy, 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.440 just like you know, all of my other siblings, and 0:08:29.480 --> 0:08:31.440 so there was nothing really there. 0:08:31.600 --> 0:08:33.880 Larsa, how about you. Did you ever talk to Michael 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.400 or Scotti about this and their reaction? 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.040 I feel like, I, you know, I feel like I 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.360 want to talk about us, I don't really I don't 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.440 really talk about I don't really talk about any of 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:46.240 my you know, to any of my access about their 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.680 girlfriends or whatever. I feel like, when you leave a 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.720 relationship respectfully, like it's done, there's nothing else to really 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.679 talk about. I don't feel like I need to talk 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.760 to anyone about our relationship. I feel like we're both adults. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.320 Weren't a really good place. We bring out the asked 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.240 in each other, and I feel like that's where we 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:03.200 are today. 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.960 What I found interesting is I was researching you guys. 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.880 We have a very similar relationship with my fiance. My fiance, 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:18.679 Lauren is sixteen years younger than me and you, Larsa, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.040 if I'm not mistaken, we're ten years younger than Scotty, 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.080 and so I think there is this dynamic. Again. I 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.600 go back to the optics of it all. If you 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:28.720 don't do the math, and if you don't pay attention 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:32.160 to the situation, you think, oh, someone like the same 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.440 age of Scottie Pippen is dating Michael Jordan's son, and 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:38.640 that's not it at all. There was a twenty six 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.920 year gap between Scotty and Marcus, and so the sixteen 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.320 year gap is very interesting to me because that's exactly 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.280 where my fiance and I fall. So, Larsa, I guess 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.079 my question for you is you've dated an older man, 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:53.960 been married to an older man, now you're dating a 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.600 younger man. Give me the pros and cons here. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:09:59.560 I don't know. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.400 I feel I always dated older guys. I never really 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.520 wanted to date younger guys. I feel like I'm I 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:07.360 feel like it's based on the person, you know. I 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:10.440 don't really go through a relationship like thinking like, oh 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.120 he's younger, I shouldn't date him, or you know, I 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:15.080 kind of feel like I would date someone twenty years 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:16.720 older than me if I liked him and we had 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.040 you know, similar interest And I just feel like it 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.240 just so happens that Marcus and I are together, and 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.959 you know, we're sixteen years apart, but we have everything 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:26.880 in common. I'm sure you find the same thing with 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.720 your fiancee. It's not really that much of a difference. 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:32.880 I feel like if you're doing the same things, it's 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.480 like we do. We enjoy doing the same things. That's 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.520 kind of where we are today. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.840 Like, sounds like you might have to come on our podcast. 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.679 We have a lot to talk about. So I knew 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.040 you guys were friends, and again, this reminds me of 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.760 my fiance She worked in entertainment tonight would interview me 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.319 from time to time, and then there was that moment 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.960 where it went from friends to oh there might be 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.920 more here. What was that moment for you guys, and 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:00.160 who made that first move. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:04.280 I definitely feel like it was me. 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.760 You know, throughout our friendship, I would always invite Larsa 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.680 if I was going to the Bahamas or going on 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.559 a trip or coming to Miami, I'd say, hey, what's 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.600 you know, what's your schedule, like we should link up, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.240 et cetera. And there was one trip where I was 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.880 coming to Miami late last year and I said, Hey, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:20.840 are you in town. I'm coming with a group of friends. 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:22.840 I would love to link up. And I think you 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.400 just said simple as like yeah, come, And so you know, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.600 I was coming in for two days, and you know, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:30.960 we ended up doing dinner and Cipriani or wherever we 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:35.640 were at, and that those two days turned into twelve days. 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:38.400 I stayed for twelve and we just ended up like 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:39.360 doing everything together. 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.320 We were pretty much compable his friends, I had my friends, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.120 and we literally got like we were going to the pools, 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:48.560 like at the w we were going to Tripriani dinners 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.199 with like a group of like fifteen people. Yeah, we 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.960 were just having the most amazing time just to hanging 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:55.560 out with like a group of people. And then I 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.280 remember one night we were at a club and it was. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.160 Just like I don't know. 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.560 We just kind of felt like, I don't know, like 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:03.000 there could. 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:03.360 Be something there. 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:05.360 I think it was just I think, honestly, what it 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:07.360 is is when we're out, there's a lot of guys 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.160 that want to come up and talk to ourselves. 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.319 I think, really exactly. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.200 I think vice versa. 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.400 There's friends that you know I have, or women want 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:16.800 to come up and talk to me, and I feel 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.720 like there was some mutual jealousy of like, you know, 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.640 who's talking to her, who's talking to him? 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.600 And so that's that's kind of when we knew, you know. 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:30.000 That's that's amazing. It was there ever a conversation between 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:34.480 you two, because again, there's nothing wrong by any means, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:38.880 but was there a conversation of the optics are going 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.640 to be? You know, we're going to catch some grief 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.800 for this. Do we do this? Is it worth it? 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.880 Because relationships are hard enough just any given day, much 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.600 less the added pressure and you know, eyeballs, you guys 0:12:51.640 --> 0:12:53.360 are going to get because of your last names. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.959 I feel like I've always been in a place of 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.040 like my parents always telling me like this person isn't 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.320 good because of this, this person's too old, this person 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.040 has kids, largely this is before kids. You don't have kids, 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.319 You're not gonna be able to deal with this. You're 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:07.719 not gonna be able to deal with this. So I 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.720 feel like me growing up in a place of like 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:13.600 everything was forbidden fruit. So finally I feel like when 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.120 I'm an adult, I felt like I should be able 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.480 to be with who I want to be with. It's 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.400 not like, you know, in the very beginning, I felt like, 0:13:21.520 --> 0:13:23.800 is it worth it, like for us to like take 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.880 on heat have people say all these things about us. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:28.319 But at the end of the day, like you said, 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:32.400 like I wasn't a part of that. You know, I'm 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:34.679 like I because of my last name, because if your 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:36.200 last name, I don't think we should have let our 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.400 last names determine if we're going to be together or not. 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.320 I think that that would just be like not the 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:42.079 right thing to do. 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:45.480 Yeah, I think there was definitely some tiptoeing around and 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:49.760 being cautious just because we didn't know, you know, we 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:51.720 were it was developing in real time, so we didn't 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.559 know how serious, you know, we. 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.439 Were caught together. We were literally just from so I 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:58.840 feel like people were calling us, blowing up our phone, 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.440 like oh my god, you've been dating Marcus Jordan and 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.520 I'm like, no, we're just friends and your dad and 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:05.480 just everyone was calling us and it was it was 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.360 not that we were just literally hanging out as friends. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.679 And it's funny because I wanted one of my friends 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.200 to date you. I was trying to set Marcus up 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.320 with one of my girlfriends. So it was because I 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.680 was like, he's such an amazing guy, you should date him. 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.720 And then we were just hanging out so much that 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.120 like it just kind of turned into more. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.200 What I appreciate about the two of you is I 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.000 don't know if a sense of humor or a sense 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:35.240 of self maybe both. Is that you understand the enormous 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.120 context of it all. Again, it's only because of the 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.160 names and because of your ex husband and your dad, 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.000 of they were so synonymous together. I'm glad you guys 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.360 at least understand the context and you knew the heat 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:50.160 was going to come. Should that negate the feelings you have. 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.720 Should that ruin a relationship, Absolutely not, that would be crazy. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.400 But you have to understand the way people hear it 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.600 when they see you know, when they just see the names, 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.960 that is going to bring the headlines. 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.760 Yeah, I think there's some shock value just if you're 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.920 looking at it on paper. And honestly, I feel like 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.520 you know that we tiptoed and we're a little extra cautious, 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.760 just mainly out of I think my family's reception of it, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.440 because you're in a different position than I am. But 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.760 I think once we realized that both of my parents, 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.920 which actually it's my mom's birthday today, so we were 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.880 missed a birthday shut out, So happy birthday, Mom. But yeah, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.640 I think once we realized that my parents were, you know, 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:31.200 at ease and comfortable with us dating, then I think 0:15:31.200 --> 0:15:32.760 it made it that much more easier for us. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:44.440 Yeah. 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.520 I love that you guys are drinking wine. 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.880 Yeah, I mean I'm a wine snob. I took some 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.840 wine courses actually my hospitality management degree, so. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.680 I'm a wine snob as well. When we get together, A, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.840 we'll play golf. B we'll drink some great wines. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.920 Absolutely, I love that. And some tequila too. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:04.320 Oh my god, you're you're speaking my language, all my 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:08.880 vices in one. Another thing that reminded me of Lauren 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.760 and I about your relationship is, for quite some time, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:15.200 you guys kept it on the down low, and you 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:18.200 had fake names in your phones, and Lauren and I 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.080 did the exact same thing, and I was just curious 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.880 why you guys kept it secret. What were you worried 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:26.840 about getting out in the early days. 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:28.360 I don't know. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.640 I feel like for me, I felt like I didn't 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:33.760 want people to assume that there was more going on 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.000 than there actually was. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.840 Yeah, I feel like we talked a lot, but you know, 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:41.520 it was friendly. 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.400 It was never like our conversations like the four years 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.520 we were friends were it was basically like, hey, are 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.440 you out, Yeah, what's happening in Miami? And you'd be 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.120 to Orlando. I'd be in la and I'd be like, hey, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.880 I'm walking into this restaurant or It was not like 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:56.160 like we were hitting on each other. 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:56.720 It was very late. 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.440 It was real like friendship. 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.280 I just knew that, you know, when Lauren and I 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.600 went public, I knew it would be a story. I mean, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.920 the headlines right themselves, the guy from the Bachelor finds 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.000 love and he's dating, and so I just knew it 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:11.880 was going to be a thing. And that added pressure 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.679 was something that I wasn't worried about eventually, but I 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.000 wanted it to be on our time and when we 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.880 faced it, we made that decision together and we knew 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.439 we actually loved each other at that point. Was that 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.719 kind of your thinking along the same lines. 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.720 Yeah, I think again, a lot of our early stages 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.919 of you know, transitioning from friends to a committed relationship 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.639 was playing out in real time in the public eye, 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.439 you know, and so you know, it almost gave us 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:43.560 something to bond over as well, just because you know, 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.199 we're seeing headlines and we're talking about it and we're like, 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.159 I mean, are we sure we want to even do this? 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:51.560 And I think that kind of cemented it for us 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:52.000 as well. 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.520 Well, you have the whole Real Housewives world, Larsa, is 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.159 that something we're going to see Marcus on? Are you 0:17:59.240 --> 0:17:59.920 going to be a part of that? 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:01.720 I think so. 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:02.880 Yeah. 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:05.479 I've you know, I was there at the reunion last season. 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.240 I've kind of I've been supportive. Look, it's it's her world. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.280 I'm just a fly on the wall in it, but 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.280 you know, I want to support her. I want to 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.439 be supportive of, you know, everything that she's doing. And 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.240 so I definitely make an appearance of two in the 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:17.280 in this season. 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.280 I mean, name value alone. They'd be crazy not to 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.840 be clamoring to get you on air. I mean, come on, 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.520 if you're a TV producer, you're out of your mind. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.000 Yeah, I think this reunion. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.040 I definitely have some some some words I want to 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:30.920 talk to Andy about. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.200 I got some things I want to talk to Andy about. 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.040 For has Andy been dogging on you guys? 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.880 No, no, no, no, he's been super supportive. He's obviously, 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.160 you know, the top dog, and so he's very, very 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:44.240