Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison here coming to you from the home office
Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. I have such an interesting, such a
Speaker 1: compelling show today because of the guests that I have,
Speaker 1: Larsa Pippen and Marcus Jordan. They are a couple. If
Speaker 1: you don't know about them, let me explain briefly before
Speaker 1: we jump into this interview, because context and the facts
Speaker 1: that surround this are incredibly important. Larsa Pippen was married
Speaker 1: to Scottie Pippen for some what twenty twenty three years now.
Speaker 1: They did meet and fell in love at the latter
Speaker 1: stages and really at the end of Scotty's run with
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls. Marcus Jordan is Michael Jordan's son, the
Speaker 1: greatest basketball player of all time, the Goat. But these
Speaker 1: two gentlemen, Scotty Pippen and Michael Jordan, will forever be
Speaker 1: intertwined because of their run with the Bulls, their dynasty.
Speaker 1: They were the greatest basketball franchise probably ever and without Michael,
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be Scotty. Without Scotty, there wouldn't be Michael.
Speaker 1: They went on to the Dream Team won Olympic gold.
Speaker 1: I mean, these two guys were as synonymous as peanut
Speaker 1: butter and jelly. They just go together. So when news
Speaker 1: broke that Scotty's ex wife, Larsa and Michael's son were dating,
Speaker 1: it's just the optics and the sound of it all
Speaker 1: was just too much for our little brains to handle,
Speaker 1: and our imagination started to run wild. There's Larsa with
Speaker 1: a young Marcus, a baby Marcus Jordan babysitting him and
Speaker 1: robbing the cradle and is that what it was like?
Speaker 1: How long did they know each other? And it had
Speaker 1: this weird feel and then the tabloids went crazy. Well,
Speaker 1: none of that is true. That perspective is a false narrative.
Speaker 1: And what I wanted to dive into today with them,
Speaker 1: what are the facts, what's real and what's not real
Speaker 1: about your story, about your relationship, about your love. And
Speaker 1: so let us begin and joining me now, Larsa and Marcus, Larsa, Pippen,
Speaker 1: Marcus Jordan, guys, thank you so much for being here.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you.
Speaker 2: It's good to see you too, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: You guys are in Miami together. Correct, obviously we don't
Speaker 1: have the video for the rest of the world. But
Speaker 1: you guys, are y' all living together in Miami?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean pretty much. So.
Speaker 3: I own a retail store actually headquartered out of Orlando.
Speaker 3: It's only three hours away, and so I'm finding that
Speaker 3: I'm spending like three and a half weeks in Miami
Speaker 3: these days, and I get up like a half a week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So can we let's define this relationship? If we're on
Speaker 1: Facebook right now? How are we defining this?
Speaker 3: Definitely in a relationship. I can't remember the Facebook status?
Speaker 1: Are we in love? Are we? Is this a serious relationship?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just saw you. I was reading through and I
Speaker 1: see you know, it's like, well are they aren't they?
Speaker 1: Is this for real? And so that's the main thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to clear up this is this is legit.
Speaker 2: This is for real, very much so for real, I think.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Obviously, the title of our podcast is Separation Anxiety, and
Speaker 3: you know, we came up with that name because we
Speaker 3: genuinely experienced separation anxiety when we're not together.
Speaker 1: I love that. What is the origin story here? When
Speaker 1: did you guys first meet?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: We met in La We met at a party four
Speaker 4: years ago. I talk about this all the time because
Speaker 4: I feel like people think we knew each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing is you when people think of you,
Speaker 1: and whether it's fair or not, you think Scottie pipp
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan, you think of the nineties, whether you
Speaker 1: just watched the documentary or like me, you were a
Speaker 1: sportscaster back in the nineties. So I think people take
Speaker 1: this snapshot of you two. But Marcus, clearly you were
Speaker 1: there in those days with your dad, But Larca, you
Speaker 1: were not.
Speaker 4: Well, I was in college when they played together, So
Speaker 4: I was in college at you. I see Scotty and
Speaker 4: Michael played together for one year when I was there.
Speaker 4: I caught like the back end of it was my
Speaker 4: senior year in.
Speaker 1: College when you and Scotty were dating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so but that was the end that was like late
Speaker 1: we're talking late nineties.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: I just think that's a big misconception is that you know,
Speaker 3: she was around, she was babysitting me when I was young.
Speaker 3: But no, I think you know, obviously she started dating
Speaker 3: her exit, you know, the tail end of the nineties,
Speaker 3: and we met four years ago, and that's really where
Speaker 3: our relationship started.
Speaker 1: And but I think it's just the two names. And
Speaker 1: I know you guys get this.
Speaker 4: Really honestly, I think that's what's the names. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: been names that really, like I feel like, is the
Speaker 4: problem the names?
Speaker 1: They are synonymous with each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel like people have their own opinions
Speaker 3: of what their actual relationship was, and you know that
Speaker 3: might differ from you.
Speaker 1: Know, what it really was as far as Scotty and Michael.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the two were intertwined regardless. I mean
Speaker 1: without Scotty there would be no Michael. Without Michael, there
Speaker 1: would be no Scotty. I mean it really was the
Speaker 1: Batman and Robin of a dynasty. And so those two
Speaker 1: names were just so intertwined and it was funny. I
Speaker 1: just without knowing I was doing this with you guys.
Speaker 1: I just rewatched The Last Dance again, the great documentary
Speaker 1: on your Dad, and you know, one thing that struck
Speaker 1: me and I'm glad you're here when I was watching
Speaker 1: it was the lack of family. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was meant to be, if that's the way
Speaker 1: they wanted it. You guys kind of came in at
Speaker 1: the very end. But yeah, I kind of wanted to
Speaker 1: see that side in your relationship and what is your
Speaker 1: relationship with your dad right now?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think my relationship with my dad is super tight.
Speaker 3: I think with regards to the last Dance, I think
Speaker 3: there was a lot of interest and intrigue around the
Speaker 3: dynamic of the team, the dynamic and the players and
Speaker 3: the ownership. Obviously, that documentary took place with regards to
Speaker 3: like the ninety eight season, and you know, there was
Speaker 3: as you know, there was a lot going on going
Speaker 3: into that year, and so I think for the documentary purposes,
Speaker 3: they wanted to keep it about what was happening on
Speaker 3: the court, the front office, et cetera. You know, obviously
Speaker 3: I was working tightly with the producers and the director.
Speaker 3: They actually sent me episodes early just to try to
Speaker 3: make sure from an authenticity standpoint, everything was on point.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think that was the focus was
Speaker 3: those you know, basketball playing years and the dynamic there
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I don't you know, regarding our relationship today,
Speaker 3: we just got back from a trip, a family trip
Speaker 3: to Turks and Kkos. You know, I talked about all
Speaker 3: the time, I go play golf at Grove twenty three
Speaker 3: all the time, so you know, I see him very frequently.
Speaker 1: What was your because well, Larsa obviously didn't know you
Speaker 1: during those days. Again, let's let's clear that up. But
Speaker 1: you knew Scotty, you were around the franchise, around the
Speaker 1: team a lot. What was your relationship with Scotty back
Speaker 1: in those days and do you still have a relationship
Speaker 1: with him?
Speaker 3: No, you know, honestly, my dad's relationship in Scotty's relationship,
Speaker 3: that was between them, you know, And you know, I
Speaker 3: was very very young. I was born nineteen ninety and
Speaker 3: so even through that dynasty, I was very very young, eight.
Speaker 1: Nine years old at the.
Speaker 3: Eleven eight nine during you know, the taping of dance
Speaker 3: and so, you know, their relationship was their thing. And
Speaker 3: you know, obviously as an adult, you know, I've been
Speaker 3: around my dad more. I kind of, you know, started
Speaker 3: to understand what was going on more. But you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't really have a relationship with them. That that's
Speaker 3: you know what Scotty, I should say, that's more you know,
Speaker 3: their business.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned you hang out with your dad and
Speaker 1: vacation and golf. Has the conversation come up, Hey Dad,
Speaker 1: I'm dating Scotty's ex wife Larsa.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I think how we came up
Speaker 3: originally was through the press, in the media and all
Speaker 3: of the different levels of interest.
Speaker 2: When we first started dating, and.
Speaker 3: Honestly, before we were in dating, we were just friends
Speaker 3: going on lund hanging out, and so you know, once
Speaker 3: all of that stuff became public and was in the media,
Speaker 3: he definitely reached out to me and was like, hey,
Speaker 3: what's going on?
Speaker 2: Is this is this a real thing?
Speaker 3: And I let him know, you know, as it developed
Speaker 3: that it was definitely genuine, and you know, he gives
Speaker 3: me the utmost support and just wants to see me happy,
Speaker 3: just like you know, all of my other siblings, and
Speaker 3: so there was nothing really there.
Speaker 1: Larsa, how about you. Did you ever talk to Michael
Speaker 1: or Scotti about this and their reaction?
Speaker 4: I feel like, I, you know, I feel like I
Speaker 4: want to talk about us, I don't really I don't
Speaker 4: really talk about I don't really talk about any of
Speaker 4: my you know, to any of my access about their
Speaker 4: girlfriends or whatever. I feel like, when you leave a
Speaker 4: relationship respectfully, like it's done, there's nothing else to really
Speaker 4: talk about. I don't feel like I need to talk
Speaker 4: to anyone about our relationship. I feel like we're both adults.
Speaker 4: Weren't a really good place. We bring out the asked
Speaker 4: in each other, and I feel like that's where we
Speaker 4: are today.
Speaker 1: What I found interesting is I was researching you guys.
Speaker 1: We have a very similar relationship with my fiance. My fiance,
Speaker 1: Lauren is sixteen years younger than me and you, Larsa,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, we're ten years younger than Scotty,
Speaker 1: and so I think there is this dynamic. Again. I
Speaker 1: go back to the optics of it all. If you
Speaker 1: don't do the math, and if you don't pay attention
Speaker 1: to the situation, you think, oh, someone like the same
Speaker 1: age of Scottie Pippen is dating Michael Jordan's son, and
Speaker 1: that's not it at all. There was a twenty six
Speaker 1: year gap between Scotty and Marcus, and so the sixteen
Speaker 1: year gap is very interesting to me because that's exactly
Speaker 1: where my fiance and I fall. So, Larsa, I guess
Speaker 1: my question for you is you've dated an older man,
Speaker 1: been married to an older man, now you're dating a
Speaker 1: younger man. Give me the pros and cons here.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel I always dated older guys. I never really
Speaker 4: wanted to date younger guys. I feel like I'm I
Speaker 4: feel like it's based on the person, you know. I
Speaker 4: don't really go through a relationship like thinking like, oh
Speaker 4: he's younger, I shouldn't date him, or you know, I
Speaker 4: kind of feel like I would date someone twenty years
Speaker 4: older than me if I liked him and we had
Speaker 4: you know, similar interest And I just feel like it
Speaker 4: just so happens that Marcus and I are together, and
Speaker 4: you know, we're sixteen years apart, but we have everything
Speaker 4: in common. I'm sure you find the same thing with
Speaker 4: your fiancee. It's not really that much of a difference.
Speaker 4: I feel like if you're doing the same things, it's
Speaker 4: like we do. We enjoy doing the same things. That's
Speaker 4: kind of where we are today.
Speaker 3: Like, sounds like you might have to come on our podcast.
Speaker 1: We have a lot to talk about. So I knew
Speaker 1: you guys were friends, and again, this reminds me of
Speaker 1: my fiance She worked in entertainment tonight would interview me
Speaker 1: from time to time, and then there was that moment
Speaker 1: where it went from friends to oh there might be
Speaker 1: more here. What was that moment for you guys, and
Speaker 1: who made that first move.
Speaker 2: I definitely feel like it was me.
Speaker 3: You know, throughout our friendship, I would always invite Larsa
Speaker 3: if I was going to the Bahamas or going on
Speaker 3: a trip or coming to Miami, I'd say, hey, what's
Speaker 3: you know, what's your schedule, like we should link up,
Speaker 3: et cetera. And there was one trip where I was
Speaker 3: coming to Miami late last year and I said, Hey,
Speaker 3: are you in town. I'm coming with a group of friends.
Speaker 3: I would love to link up. And I think you
Speaker 3: just said simple as like yeah, come, And so you know,
Speaker 3: I was coming in for two days, and you know,
Speaker 3: we ended up doing dinner and Cipriani or wherever we
Speaker 3: were at, and that those two days turned into twelve days.
Speaker 3: I stayed for twelve and we just ended up like
Speaker 3: doing everything together.
Speaker 4: We were pretty much compable his friends, I had my friends,
Speaker 4: and we literally got like we were going to the pools,
Speaker 4: like at the w we were going to Tripriani dinners
Speaker 4: with like a group of like fifteen people. Yeah, we
Speaker 4: were just having the most amazing time just to hanging
Speaker 4: out with like a group of people. And then I
Speaker 4: remember one night we were at a club and it was.
Speaker 2: Just like I don't know.
Speaker 4: We just kind of felt like, I don't know, like
Speaker 4: there could.
Speaker 2: Be something there.
Speaker 3: I think it was just I think, honestly, what it
Speaker 3: is is when we're out, there's a lot of guys
Speaker 3: that want to come up and talk to ourselves.
Speaker 1: I think, really exactly.
Speaker 2: I think vice versa.
Speaker 3: There's friends that you know I have, or women want
Speaker 3: to come up and talk to me, and I feel
Speaker 3: like there was some mutual jealousy of like, you know,
Speaker 3: who's talking to her, who's talking to him?
Speaker 2: And so that's that's kind of when we knew, you know.
Speaker 1: That's that's amazing. It was there ever a conversation between
Speaker 1: you two, because again, there's nothing wrong by any means,
Speaker 1: but was there a conversation of the optics are going
Speaker 1: to be? You know, we're going to catch some grief
Speaker 1: for this. Do we do this? Is it worth it?
Speaker 1: Because relationships are hard enough just any given day, much
Speaker 1: less the added pressure and you know, eyeballs, you guys
Speaker 1: are going to get because of your last names.
Speaker 4: I feel like I've always been in a place of
Speaker 4: like my parents always telling me like this person isn't
Speaker 4: good because of this, this person's too old, this person
Speaker 4: has kids, largely this is before kids. You don't have kids,
Speaker 4: You're not gonna be able to deal with this. You're
Speaker 4: not gonna be able to deal with this. So I
Speaker 4: feel like me growing up in a place of like
Speaker 4: everything was forbidden fruit. So finally I feel like when
Speaker 4: I'm an adult, I felt like I should be able
Speaker 4: to be with who I want to be with. It's
Speaker 4: not like, you know, in the very beginning, I felt like,
Speaker 4: is it worth it, like for us to like take
Speaker 4: on heat have people say all these things about us.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, like you said,
Speaker 4: like I wasn't a part of that. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: like I because of my last name, because if your
Speaker 4: last name, I don't think we should have let our
Speaker 4: last names determine if we're going to be together or not.
Speaker 4: I think that that would just be like not the
Speaker 4: right thing to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was definitely some tiptoeing around and
Speaker 3: being cautious just because we didn't know, you know, we
Speaker 3: were it was developing in real time, so we didn't
Speaker 3: know how serious, you know, we.
Speaker 4: Were caught together. We were literally just from so I
Speaker 4: feel like people were calling us, blowing up our phone,
Speaker 4: like oh my god, you've been dating Marcus Jordan and
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, we're just friends and your dad and
Speaker 4: just everyone was calling us and it was it was
Speaker 4: not that we were just literally hanging out as friends.
Speaker 4: And it's funny because I wanted one of my friends
Speaker 4: to date you. I was trying to set Marcus up
Speaker 4: with one of my girlfriends. So it was because I
Speaker 4: was like, he's such an amazing guy, you should date him.
Speaker 4: And then we were just hanging out so much that
Speaker 4: like it just kind of turned into more.
Speaker 1: What I appreciate about the two of you is I
Speaker 1: don't know if a sense of humor or a sense
Speaker 1: of self maybe both. Is that you understand the enormous
Speaker 1: context of it all. Again, it's only because of the
Speaker 1: names and because of your ex husband and your dad,
Speaker 1: of they were so synonymous together. I'm glad you guys
Speaker 1: at least understand the context and you knew the heat
Speaker 1: was going to come. Should that negate the feelings you have.
Speaker 1: Should that ruin a relationship, Absolutely not, that would be crazy.
Speaker 1: But you have to understand the way people hear it
Speaker 1: when they see you know, when they just see the names,
Speaker 1: that is going to bring the headlines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's some shock value just if you're
Speaker 3: looking at it on paper. And honestly, I feel like
Speaker 3: you know that we tiptoed and we're a little extra cautious,
Speaker 3: just mainly out of I think my family's reception of it,
Speaker 3: because you're in a different position than I am. But
Speaker 3: I think once we realized that both of my parents,
Speaker 3: which actually it's my mom's birthday today, so we were
Speaker 3: missed a birthday shut out, So happy birthday, Mom. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think once we realized that my parents were, you know,
Speaker 3: at ease and comfortable with us dating, then I think
Speaker 3: it made it that much more easier for us.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that you guys are drinking wine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm a wine snob. I took some
Speaker 3: wine courses actually my hospitality management degree, so.
Speaker 1: I'm a wine snob as well. When we get together, A,
Speaker 1: we'll play golf. B we'll drink some great wines.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I love that. And some tequila too.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're you're speaking my language, all my
Speaker 1: vices in one. Another thing that reminded me of Lauren
Speaker 1: and I about your relationship is, for quite some time,
Speaker 1: you guys kept it on the down low, and you
Speaker 1: had fake names in your phones, and Lauren and I
Speaker 1: did the exact same thing, and I was just curious
Speaker 1: why you guys kept it secret. What were you worried
Speaker 1: about getting out in the early days.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I feel like for me, I felt like I didn't
Speaker 4: want people to assume that there was more going on
Speaker 4: than there actually was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we talked a lot, but you know,
Speaker 2: it was friendly.
Speaker 4: It was never like our conversations like the four years
Speaker 4: we were friends were it was basically like, hey, are
Speaker 4: you out, Yeah, what's happening in Miami? And you'd be
Speaker 4: to Orlando. I'd be in la and I'd be like, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm walking into this restaurant or It was not like
Speaker 4: like we were hitting on each other.
Speaker 5: It was very late.
Speaker 4: It was real like friendship.
Speaker 1: I just knew that, you know, when Lauren and I
Speaker 1: went public, I knew it would be a story. I mean,
Speaker 1: the headlines right themselves, the guy from the Bachelor finds
Speaker 1: love and he's dating, and so I just knew it
Speaker 1: was going to be a thing. And that added pressure
Speaker 1: was something that I wasn't worried about eventually, but I
Speaker 1: wanted it to be on our time and when we
Speaker 1: faced it, we made that decision together and we knew
Speaker 1: we actually loved each other at that point. Was that
Speaker 1: kind of your thinking along the same lines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think again, a lot of our early stages
Speaker 3: of you know, transitioning from friends to a committed relationship
Speaker 3: was playing out in real time in the public eye,
Speaker 3: you know, and so you know, it almost gave us
Speaker 3: something to bond over as well, just because you know,
Speaker 3: we're seeing headlines and we're talking about it and we're like,
Speaker 3: I mean, are we sure we want to even do this?
Speaker 3: And I think that kind of cemented it for us
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 1: Well, you have the whole Real Housewives world, Larsa, is
Speaker 1: that something we're going to see Marcus on? Are you
Speaker 1: going to be a part of that?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I've you know, I was there at the reunion last season.
Speaker 3: I've kind of I've been supportive. Look, it's it's her world.
Speaker 3: I'm just a fly on the wall in it, but
Speaker 3: you know, I want to support her. I want to
Speaker 3: be supportive of, you know, everything that she's doing. And
Speaker 3: so I definitely make an appearance of two in the
Speaker 3: in this season.
Speaker 1: I mean, name value alone. They'd be crazy not to
Speaker 1: be clamoring to get you on air. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: if you're a TV producer, you're out of your mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this reunion.
Speaker 3: I definitely have some some some words I want to
Speaker 3: talk to Andy about.
Speaker 2: I got some things I want to talk to Andy about.
Speaker 1: For has Andy been dogging on you guys?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, he's been super supportive. He's obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, the top dog, and so he's very, very
Speaker 3: very supportive of us.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned you guys got a little jealous about
Speaker 1: each other. Larsa, I don't know if you still are,
Speaker 1: but I know you at one point you were on
Speaker 1: only Fans. Are you still on only fans?
Speaker 4: I'm on only fans. I'm just not, you know, my
Speaker 4: only fans. Let me clarify this. There's one more thing
Speaker 4: I have to clarify. My Only Fans was never like
Speaker 4: I never did nudity or anything like that is basically lifestyle.
Speaker 4: So it's basically the same things that I would show
Speaker 4: on my Instagram. I my only fans, it's it's my
Speaker 4: subscription is free also, so it's not like there's anything
Speaker 4: crazy on my old events.
Speaker 1: Well, see that just proves that I was not on
Speaker 1: your only fans page stalking you because I had no idea.
Speaker 2: It's either never been only fans. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: my fa description stream.
Speaker 4: It's basically behind the scenes. I do a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff like my jewelry line large Summarie. I post a
Speaker 4: lot of things that are behind the scenes, or like
Speaker 4: me going out or me being on the beach or
Speaker 4: things like that, or on Instagram. I feel like I
Speaker 4: don't want to have to read the comments and look back.
Speaker 4: If you post only fans, it kind of goes away.
Speaker 4: I don't have to like look at it or like
Speaker 4: nurture it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So you're not even you're not doing any provocative stuff.
Speaker 5: No, it's not.
Speaker 4: It's like mainstream.
Speaker 1: It's not even feet No, I do sea, but like
Speaker 1: just it's like I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4: I'll be on seat and I'll show my legs, like
Speaker 4: if I'm working out, and like now, I think a
Speaker 4: big part of her career is content creation, and so
Speaker 4: I think owns is just another platform where you can
Speaker 4: post exclusive content and you know, obviously reap the benefits
Speaker 4: of that. Yeah, So I think what you were trying
Speaker 4: to ask is is Marcus KARENOI does not care.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: Look, you know, for me, I want her. She's a strong,
Speaker 3: independent woman. You know, she has her own career, focuses,
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, and so she was doing that
Speaker 3: before we started dating. I would never be the type
Speaker 3: of guy that says, hey, look, now that we're dating,
Speaker 3: you got to mix something.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm fully supportive of her, and honestly, I think maybe
Speaker 3: I've taken a picture or two for her just to
Speaker 3: try to help, you know, help keep her keep her
Speaker 3: status on there. So I'm I'm fully supportive of her.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: So you guys just started a new podcast and actually
Speaker 1: launched today. You can find it on UH well where
Speaker 1: you find all podcasts, and you guys are tied into
Speaker 1: iHeart as well. It's a good home. It's called uh
Speaker 1: Separation Anxiety. Yeah, obviously you touched on that a little bit, Marcus.
Speaker 1: About the name came from the fact that when you
Speaker 1: guys are apart, you have this separation anxiety. But what
Speaker 1: are you guys diving into together on this show? What
Speaker 1: is the purpose? What do you guys hope to talk about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, for me, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: the purpose is just to kind of one clear the
Speaker 3: err about a lot of the misconceptions of our relationship.
Speaker 3: But then two, you know, we do feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: age gaps in dating and relationships are a more common
Speaker 3: theme that you see today, and so it's all about
Speaker 3: just putting our perspective out there, you know, talking through
Speaker 3: our story and hopefully we help you know, other couples
Speaker 3: or people out there and you know, navigate this tricky
Speaker 3: world that we've called twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: These days, I mean, I feel like it's it's been
Speaker 4: fun for us. We enjoy doing it. It's almost like therapeutic.
Speaker 4: Do you feel like it's like that for you. I
Speaker 4: feel like we just discussed current things that are going
Speaker 4: on in our lives. We talk about basically everything, like
Speaker 4: today we talked about, you know, our age gap. And
Speaker 4: I feel like there's a lot of topics that I
Speaker 4: feel like in twenty twenty three that don't really make
Speaker 4: as much of a difference in dating. I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, people just want to be happy, and I
Speaker 4: feel like everyone just wants to be happy, and like,
Speaker 4: for me, the number one thing is your happiness, protecting
Speaker 4: your mental being in a good place, being with someone
Speaker 4: that makes you feel good because all these other things
Speaker 4: that we deal with on the day to day and
Speaker 4: they're hard. Life was hard in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Sure, I think you guys will find it very cathartic
Speaker 1: and it's interesting. Laura and I will talk about things.
Speaker 1: I'll be in the middle of a conversation and it
Speaker 1: starts heading in a very interesting area and I'm like,
Speaker 1: wa wait, wait, whoa stop, like, save it? Save it
Speaker 1: for the show, because we do. We kind of hash
Speaker 1: everything out on the show. Now, I'll do the interviews
Speaker 1: like I'm doing today, but then we'll do a show
Speaker 1: just to us, and we are We're very similar. And
Speaker 1: I'm inntionted, you know, Marcus, because you are the Lauren
Speaker 1: Zema in this relationship. You are coming into a family.
Speaker 1: You know, Larsa has kids and I know you don't,
Speaker 1: And so what has that been like to try and
Speaker 1: weave yourself into the family that I know it was
Speaker 1: a difficult thing for Lauren to do. She's done it
Speaker 1: brilliantly and my kids love her. But how is the
Speaker 1: process been for you?
Speaker 2: You know? For me, I feel like it's been easy.
Speaker 3: Larsa's like best friends with her kids, with her kids
Speaker 3: and so I think that's one of the things that
Speaker 3: I admire about her both is that, you know, she
Speaker 3: just loves her kids. They're best friends, they talk all
Speaker 3: the time, and they're older, and so I feel like,
Speaker 3: for me, you know, my approach is.
Speaker 2: Always to be a fly on the wall.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not trying to impose or you know,
Speaker 3: intrude on their space by any means. And with her,
Speaker 3: you know, the way that their friendship is, I feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, I make I chime in and I give my.
Speaker 2: Two cents here and there when when necessary.
Speaker 3: But overall, she's done a great job raising her kids,
Speaker 3: and you know, I think that they've recepted me pretty
Speaker 3: pretty well.
Speaker 5: So I love you.
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, I think when you have something,
Speaker 4: when you have everything in common with someone, it makes
Speaker 4: it really easy for the person to come in. And
Speaker 4: I also feel like my kids knew you as my friend,
Speaker 4: so I think it wasn't a lot of times. I
Speaker 4: feel like when you meet someone with kids, the kids
Speaker 4: kind of have like a closed door because they don't
Speaker 4: want to see someone new come into the family. But
Speaker 4: because we were friends, I feel like they were already
Speaker 4: like so receptive towards you.
Speaker 1: You never had to really think, Okay, I'm dating this guy,
Speaker 1: is it time to introduce him to the kids. You
Speaker 1: guys were already friends, he'd already met him, so then
Speaker 1: it was just, hey, we've started dating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's really what it was. And I feel
Speaker 4: like we have so much in common. We like sports,
Speaker 4: we like business, we like fashion. I feel like all
Speaker 4: my kids that's kind of like our lane in our homes.
Speaker 4: So I feel like for you, you know, it's hard
Speaker 4: for I feel like, I don't know about you, but
Speaker 4: it's been hard for me to like bring someone new
Speaker 4: into my family because I feel like we're different. You know,
Speaker 4: we're different. We're not like regular like I don't know,
Speaker 4: just like we talk about, like, you know, the NBA
Speaker 4: a lot, We talk about sports a lot. Like a
Speaker 4: regular person came into our life. They have to really
Speaker 4: be like, what the heck is going on?
Speaker 1: So you do love basketball?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you see to be a cheerleader. Yeah, my kids
Speaker 4: all played basketball. Yes, like that's kind of our thing.
Speaker 1: Marcus. Obviously with you, I know you played college ball
Speaker 1: before you left and started a business. Did you ever
Speaker 1: think about not going the basketball route? I mean, I
Speaker 1: always think of like, I know Wayne Gretzky, and obviously
Speaker 1: you look at Charlie Woods, you know, Tiger's son, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, would you play hockey, would you
Speaker 1: play golf? If you're Michael Jordan's kid, would you play basketball?
Speaker 1: Just because of the pressure. Well, look at Bronni right now,
Speaker 1: Lebron James kid, right.
Speaker 3: I think there's just a natural, uh, you know, attitude
Speaker 3: to gravitate towards what you're around. You know, as a kid,
Speaker 3: for me at least, I always grew up around basketball,
Speaker 3: the bulls, my dad, et cetera, and so you know,
Speaker 3: being in Jordan, I'm super competitive, and so I always
Speaker 3: wanted to go out and make my own name on
Speaker 3: the basketball court.
Speaker 2: And you know, there were some factors.
Speaker 3: While I was in college to you know that made
Speaker 3: me end up deciding to go to business out. But
Speaker 3: you know, I always naturally gravitated towards the game, and
Speaker 3: my dad was super supportive of you know, if I
Speaker 3: needed help, you know, he was he was always.
Speaker 2: There to help, and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: So you know, I just feel like it's a natural
Speaker 3: thing as a kid of an athlete to gravitate to
Speaker 3: that sport, and so you know, for me, I ended
Speaker 3: up wanting to, you know, go the business route, and
Speaker 3: I'm happy I did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were probably a gym rat, I mean, just
Speaker 1: because you were always.
Speaker 3: At the gym undercent and I mean, you know, playing
Speaker 3: sports as a high school athlete, collegiate athlete, it's a
Speaker 3: full time job, you know, and you're working around the
Speaker 3: clock and training and constantly staying in shape. And so
Speaker 3: you know, my senior year, going into my senior year,
Speaker 3: I decided to step away from playing basketball and you know,
Speaker 3: focus on getting my degree. And a year after that,
Speaker 3: I ended up opening my business. And so I'm happy
Speaker 3: I did that.
Speaker 1: I'd be interesting if a guy like Bronni Lebron James Kid,
Speaker 1: or even Charlie Woods would reach out to you and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, what's it like, Like what advice do you
Speaker 1: have for me? Like what would you tell Brownie as
Speaker 1: he is about to try and follow in his dad's
Speaker 1: footsteps kind of like you were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tell him have fun. You know.
Speaker 3: I think you know, one of the things that I
Speaker 3: didn't listen to when I was in college was that
Speaker 3: it goes by quickly.
Speaker 2: You know, you think that every day.
Speaker 3: You know, you're waking up at six am and you know,
Speaker 3: getting home at nine km.
Speaker 2: After practice or whatever.
Speaker 3: You think it's gonna be forever, but in reality it
Speaker 3: goes quickly. And so I would just tell him to
Speaker 3: have fun, enjoy and you know, take it as far
Speaker 3: as you can.
Speaker 1: That is so true. I mean, of all the things.
Speaker 1: I mean, whether you're dancing, for whatever you're doing, there
Speaker 1: is this window and you don't and maybe it's a
Speaker 1: good thing that God doesn't give us the ability to
Speaker 1: realize it's going by so fast, so you can enjoy
Speaker 1: it a little bit.
Speaker 2: One per one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you guys wanted to clear
Speaker 1: the air about, anything that you wanted people to know.
Speaker 4: No, I think I think that, you know, I feel.
Speaker 2: Like people there.
Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, people think that you and
Speaker 3: to date me because of you know, my.
Speaker 2: Status or wealth or whatever money, And.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's I think you want to date
Speaker 4: me because of my.
Speaker 3: Status exactly, And so I think that's like a common
Speaker 3: misconception as well, is that you know, you're some sort
Speaker 3: of gold digger or whatever. In all honesty, she's one
Speaker 3: hundred percent independent and she's got so much going on,
Speaker 3: and you know, she's she's definitely the bread winner over here.
Speaker 1: It is just it is just so intriguing for people.
Speaker 1: I think it's just too tantalizing, especially in this day
Speaker 1: and age of social media, to not just create and
Speaker 1: run with these stories and and it's so easy for people,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you guys have found this. It's so
Speaker 1: easy for people not to do your homework and just
Speaker 1: dig in and look at the facts of it all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't know until I read it, you
Speaker 1: know up on you guys, I had no clue. I
Speaker 1: had no idea until you know, age difference and when
Speaker 1: you guys met and how you you know again, weren't
Speaker 1: babysitting Marcus, et cetera.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a lot of misinformation out there. That's
Speaker 4: kind of where we're excited about our podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: And I just feel like, you know, it's easy for
Speaker 3: people to throw stones behind the veil of Instagram or
Speaker 3: social media, and so you know, when we're out in public,
Speaker 3: we rarely ever received negative energy.
Speaker 1: Has there been anything that's that's hit you guys, that
Speaker 1: was said or done where you're like, you know what
Speaker 1: that that did hurt like that pissed me off.
Speaker 5: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm happy, you're happy. We don't really
Speaker 4: like let like people come into our like happy place.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it's both of us being raised in Chicago.
Speaker 3: We've got tough skin. You know, people talk all the time,
Speaker 3: and I think we rarely let it get to us.
Speaker 3: I think there's there's moments where we want to respond
Speaker 3: just to clear the air in social media. But I'm
Speaker 3: glad we've got our podcast Separation Anxiety to, you know,
Speaker 3: to utilize that platform.
Speaker 1: Well, there's tough in being in Chicago and then there's
Speaker 1: real housewives tough. So Marcus just be ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, trust me, I'm learning on the flot.
Speaker 1: Larsa's got the playbook. She's got you definitely, she always did.
Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't ask, are you guys? Is
Speaker 1: marriage of possibility?
Speaker 2: It's definitely a possibility. I mean it's on the table.
Speaker 3: We we haven't really sat down and fully had those
Speaker 3: types of conversations yet, but it'll happen in near future
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: I love it. Well, we're on the way, We're on
Speaker 1: the way down the aisle. So I wish you guys
Speaker 1: the best not only together in life, but also with
Speaker 1: the podcast Separation Anxiety. You can check it out. We're
Speaker 1: all podcasts are found And next time we do this
Speaker 1: together in person with a nice glass of wine some
Speaker 1: tequila and then we go out and play little golf.
Speaker 3: Absolutely bring the missus on our podcast. We'll make a
Speaker 3: weekend out of it.
Speaker 1: All right, my friend, it's good to talk to you, Larsa,
Speaker 1: Marcus shall take.
Speaker 2: Care alrighty have a good one.
Speaker 1: Thank you, my thanks to Larsa Pippen and Marcus Jordan.
Speaker 1: Relationships are so hard. They are difficult in the best
Speaker 1: of circumstances. Lauren Ziem and I go through this a lot.
Speaker 1: And it's why related to this relationship so well, I mean,
Speaker 1: but they are doing it on a much deeper and
Speaker 1: crazier level where an ex husband and a other are
Speaker 1: two of the most well known individuals in the history
Speaker 1: of a sport. Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player
Speaker 1: of all time, his son is dating his ex teammate's
Speaker 1: ex wife, and so it's just a lot to take in.
Speaker 1: And I appreciate them being patient with all the questions,
Speaker 1: talking us through it. Speaking you know their truth and
Speaker 1: their narrative. I really appreciate it. And if I took
Speaker 1: nothing away from looking at them and spending some time
Speaker 1: with them today, they really seem like such a genuine,
Speaker 1: loving couple. The smile on Marcus's face, that's real, that's love.
Speaker 1: They truly are in love with each other, and I
Speaker 1: wish them all the best. And again I thank them
Speaker 1: for their time and most importantly, for their candor, and
Speaker 1: I thank you for your time. As always, I love
Speaker 1: shows like this, and I love that we all get
Speaker 1: to spend this time together. And I will talk to
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