WEBVTT - Kiran Amegadjie sets his sights on Year 2 | Bears Weekly 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.080 Welcome in to Bears Weekly, powered by IGS Energy, a 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:09.039 Chicago Bears Network production. Bears Weekly is brought to you 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:15.040 by Advocate Healthcare, Athletico Physical Therapy, CD Kellaghy, Connie's. 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:19.440 Pizza, IGS Energy, and Meta Lived. Here are your hosts, 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:23.720 Jeff chiliact aka the Mayor of Bearsville and his sidekick, 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:25.079 Tom the Surfmaster. 0:00:25.280 --> 0:00:28.639 Thayer training camp starts in just over a month, and 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.600 to tell you the truth, we can't wait. This is 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.160 Bears Weekly at ESPN one thousand on the Chicago Bears 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.960 Radio Network with Super Bowl winning Bears guard Tom Thayer. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.440 We're joined by the former Bears quarterback Jim Miller from 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.000 sirius XM NFL Radio. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:42.879 I'm Jeff Joniac. Coming off of the program. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.760 We visit with second year offensive lineman Karanamagaji, Dan Berrilli, 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.040 Jordan tread Up and Katie Fox are producers and the 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:53.760 executive producer of the Bears Radio Network, Eric Ostrowski. Fellas 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.080 they tell you not to peak too soon, right, That's 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:56.720 always the thing. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.680 I'm peaking. I'm jacked so much. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.400 We don't know about what it would look like, but 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.959 so much that we hope it is what we think 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:08.280 it might look like. And I know it's a long 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:11.640 way to go, and it's a long, preseason long training camp, 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:16.320 but do you share in my genuine organic excitement about 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:17.600 the twenty twenty five Bears? 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:18.080 You know? 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.120 For me, I think if you make a checklist of 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.640 what you want to see out of training camp, it 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.880 goes from coaching staff to players to assistant coaches. And 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:30.039 I don't think that we've been in this excited to 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.360 go through that checklist throughout the process of training camp. Now, 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.720 once the schedule is out, you kind of get a 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.160 feel of how they're going to go about their business, 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.880 the days that you have to prioritize your effort when 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.240 you look at the full pads, and then some of 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.199 the meaningful practices behind the mental side of it. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:48.920 When you look at shells or helmet. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:53.200 So there's a big checklist here of people, coaches and 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.400 different scenarios that you want to see unfold with hope. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.320 Yeah, there's a lot on that list. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:02.000 Is I'm just said, But I think when you're trying 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.200 to reach your final destination or reach your goal, there's 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:07.240 a lot of things that have to happen, a lot 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.639 of things have to be in place, and all those 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.040 check marks have to be fulfilled, you know, So whether 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.440 it's coaches, it's the players execution, you know, and for 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.000 the fans to fans for Like you said, Jeff, everybody 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.040 has this vision of what it can be and what 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.079 they believe it will be. But in order to make 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.360 that happen, a lot of things have to come together 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.480 and everybody as a whole has to be doing the 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:34.239 work involved to reach that goal. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:35.600 Yeah, you got to be healthy, right. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.280 I just saw a big study done by I think 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.040 it's the doctor that's on with you guys on serious. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:41.639 XM, David Chow. 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.720 Yeah, he did a whole analysis of everybody's injuries last season. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.640 It just came out here earlier today. And of course 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:51.200 Baltimore with they over the years have had a lot 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.280 of injury issues that may have hurt them in the 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.840 run game or whatever the position may be. They were 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.560 the healthiest team by far in the NFL last season 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.440 and they're a complete football team and he feels they 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.360 will be a super Bowl contender and they should be 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.760 with Lamar Jackson and that defense. Just the opposite you 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:10.720 got San Francisco just riddled with injuries. Carolina had a 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.560 lot of injuries. So he's if these teams X, Y, 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.280 and Z stay healthy, they should be a better team. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.280 And that would go for the Bears as well. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.639 Obviously, the offensive line experienced a lot of injuries last season. Tom, 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:24.760 they got to stay healthy this year. We need as 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:26.480 much continuity up front as possible. 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.120 But if there was a perfect plan in place of 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:31.800 how to keep a team healthy, every single team would 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:32.680 be doing that. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:33.600 Now. 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.160 Because you had a healthy year, do you think that's 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:38.320 the template of success and that's the way you're going 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.640 to go about business until further notice? Or if you 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.920 had a lot of injuries, are you going to kind 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.080 of change the process and the tempo that you practice 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.040 at to maybe try to save some guys. You got 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.680 to look at the guys that have been injured. Have 0:03:52.840 --> 0:03:56.040 they been injured before? There's a couple guys on my 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.000 checklists that gets seem to get injured each and every 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.000 year from other teams around the league in it no 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.240 matter what you do, something happens to them. And then 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.160 you have to start looking at the bodies. Okay, do 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.840 I have a guy that's weighing in at two sixty, 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.480 But really, if he was a normal walking human being, 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.919 on the streets that he would be two twenty five, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.320 and then he's got his body wound so tightly that 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.760 you can't have the fatigue and the physicality of the 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:27.440 game and everything that you need in order to be 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.279 that guy that's relied upon for sixty to seventy five 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:33.960 reps a game. Can they take it? So there's a 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.640 lot of different factors that come into play when you 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.920 look at some of these guys, some of their injuries, 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.080 and the teams, the way they go about business. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.039 Jim Can I ask you a question real quick, Jimmy, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.840 because you always embrace. You go to Latrobe, you watch 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.880 the Steelers practice, and those are those are very physical practices. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.800 They're tackling to the ground. You know, they can only 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.719 up be in so many days of pads. That's the 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:55.479 league rule, of the Union rule. 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:55.760 You know. 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.880 Is there any criticism that though, as you get to 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:00.960 at the end of a seventeen game season, because if 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.719 you guys, remember they had physical practices by the end 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.000 of the season, I always recall the conversation, well, maybe 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.400 they overdid it early in the season and it wore 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.880 them down. They didn't have enough legs to finish a season. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:13.719 I don't know if you guys buy into that. Jimmy, 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.480 what do you think about especially with the Pittsburgh thing. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:17.640 I think there's a balance. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.039 I think Pittsburgh uses it as a competitive advantage. I 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.440 do they are much more physical than teams other teams 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:26.239 that start the season. 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.640 But there's a balance. There's always a balance in it. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:29.920 You know. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:31.080 A coach has got to know. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.680 Hey, got a lot of guys are banged up right now, 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.040 we got some bumps and bruises. Let's back off a 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.480 little bit. But to Tom's point, there are things you 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:43.560 can do as a team that can collectively help or 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.159 hurt the team. Say you're doing an exercise in the 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.280 weight room where maybe you get a lot of hamstring issues. 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:51.520 You know, so the team has to look at how 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.120 they're working out players, and then the player has to 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.880 look at himself and say, hey, I need to do 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.920 this to keep myself on the field. I'll give you 0:05:59.920 --> 0:06:02.279 a case in point and give the example to a 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.640 tongue of Iola two years ago said all right, I'm 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:07.520 going to run less with the ball and took jiu 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.080 jitsu and did all these things to defend himself. Last year, 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.640 Pat and I do the training companies, he got leaner, 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.960 he lost weight. Oh, I'm going to run with the 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.520 ball more. That's a bad idea for to think that. Okay, 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:23.680 he ran literally eleven times, he fumbled seven of them. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.600 Number one and two. He missed the season because of concussions. 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:30.960 He's got to know what he can and cannot do 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:34.440 to protect himself as a player and not put himself 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.920 in harm's way. And then, like Tom said, certainly there's 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.560 going to be ebbs and flows to the season. Injuries 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.080 are going to happen, and the ball has to bounce 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.440 your ways, so to speak, in certain things. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.320 But you need to do. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.440 Not only collectively as a team, but individually as a 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:54.200 player everything you can to be available on Sunday for 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:55.000 your team to win. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.360 So when I went to the USFL, we had no 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:00.280 preseason games, we had eighteen regular season game games, and 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.840 I was playing for George Allen. The same conversation infiltrated 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:09.520 our locker room. Because we never hit, we rarely had contact, 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.800 but we were on the practice field for a minimum 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:17.200 of three hours. And so now the conversation at the 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:18.880 end of the year, when we made it to the 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.520 USFL championship game, we made it to the playoffs, and 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.000 it was about fatigue, too much time on our feet. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.000 Yeah we're not physical, but we're tired from standing out 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.960 there so long. So if you win the Super Bowl, man, 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:34.480 you're doing everything right. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.640 And this is the way to do everything. This is 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.200 the blueprint of success. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.600 If you get beaten the Super Bowl or you don't 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.600 make the playoffs because you're a little tired at the 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.680 end of the year, that's the wrong way to do it. Listen, 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:49.560 football is a sport that demands allowed a lot out 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:54.120 of every person, from coaches to players. There is no perfect, 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:58.920 perfect formula of success. It's about if you're lucky enough 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.760 to have a season that you're rosters healthy, or you're 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.000 unfortunate where you have a season where you have a 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.480 lot of injuries. That's the great game of football. 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:09.960 Yeah, and it's all delegated. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.520 Now. You only have like fifteen practices in pads during 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.960 the year, so you better get your physicality, your foundation, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.400 that base. Like what Mike Tomlin does for the Steelers, 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.320 he sets the tone early for them. Football players play 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.480 football on Sunday. That's what they're paid to do in 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:30.840 order to get better at playing football. It's played in pads. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.840 It's played in pads, okay, and so you better delegate 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:38.760 those fifteen practices that you do get. If your team's 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.160 not physical enough, you better utilize them early. If you're 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.960 too physical and guys are banged up, then you back 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.360 off of it. But you need to utilize them when necessary. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.280 It is football at the end of the day. 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.640 Coming up, we visit with second year offensive lineman Kuran 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:56.439 I'm a Gaji. That's next on Bears Weekly on ESPN 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:58.200 one thousand of the Bears Radio Network. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.439 You were tuned into a Bears Week with Jeff Joniac 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:07.360 on the Bears Radio Network. Well, welcome back to Bears 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:11.160 Weekly on the Bears Radio Network. Here's your host, the 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.640 voice of the Bears, Chef Jonact. 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:19.679 This segment of Bears Weekly has brought to you by 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.440 Athletical Physical Therapy. Visit Athletico dot com, the request at 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:25.080 in clinic or virtual deppointment at start feeling better tomorrow. Jeff, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.480 Tom and Jim here on Bears Weekly on your Thursday night. So, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:30.600 coming out of the break, I mentioned the running back 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.800 groom and let's dive in. So DeAndre Swift average fifty 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.320 six point four yards per game last season and just 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.600 three seven nine to carry with six touchdowns. Roshan missed 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.800 three games, just fifty five carries. He had six rushing 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.400 touchdowns under three yards per average. Obviously, the running game 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:48.120 wasn't what the Bears had hoped it was. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.320 DeAndre got close to one thousand yards rushing. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.959 He's had twenty nine rushing touchdowns in his career, scoring 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:54.480 at least five every seasons. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.960 And so let's just begin with those two. 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:58.760 When he can think about the one to two punch 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.200 that Detroit had Tommy up there in Detroit with Ben Johnson, 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:03.600 I hate to keep alluding to it, but we're going 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:06.960 to use it as reference. What can they expect out 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.280 of this running scheme? What we know at this early 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:11.800 age without seeing training camp with Dan Rochhar on the 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:12.520 running game. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.319 Well, you know, I always think of running backs as 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:16.760 a three down running back. What can they do on first, second, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:20.079 third down? But Ben Johnson said something really early in 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:21.920 his time here with the Bears. He said, he's got 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.760 to find a running back that's willing to get the 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.280 dirty yards. And I think that you can't overemphasize that 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:30.000 because there's a lot more dirty yards to be had 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.600 in the NFL. Than there are those fifty and sixty 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.040 yard explosive plays. So if you're willing to take your 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.240 body size, your structure, lower your shoulder pads, hit into 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.560 the line of scrimmage with a two yard running start, 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.000 you'll probably get an extra two and a half yards 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.720 after contact. And so I'm not looking for unrealistic stats 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.840 out of this running back group. I need four yards 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:54.000 to carry out of the offensive running game. So when 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.520 you look at these guys, they all have what it's 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:58.720 going to take, but it's going to be about their 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.160 evaluation of what's required of them on the down and 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.640 distance that they're specifically in the huddle for. And that's 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.200 what you're going to an indicator of who is going 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.080 to be at the top of the list and how 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:11.840 you filter it down. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.080 I don't want him dancing. I don't want to wasting time. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.600 Like Tom said, get what you can get, go north 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.920 and south. Some guys try to manufacture and do too much, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.400 follow and trust the blocks in front of you. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.120 It should be improved with. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:28.000 The offensive line that the Bears have put together this offseason, 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.439 and those guys got to get yardage. It's going to 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.280 help other areas of your offense. 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.840 For play action outstanding in the screen game. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.560 I think you'll hit the rails and it rip uffs 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.760 some big runs in this offense as well. His first 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.720 three seasons complimentary back, I think he had four starts 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:43.800 in the first couple of years. Now in his last 0:11:43.840 --> 0:11:45.439 thirty two games where he was more of the ball 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.760 carry number one ball carrier, four hundred and eighty two carries, 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.000 eleven touchdowns plus eighty one catches. Remember he was the 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.240 thirty fifth pick in the twenty draft DeAndre Swift. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:55.320 Now let's talk about Roshan. 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.080 I love how he was a battering ram Tommy in 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.280 twenty twenty three, six feet two twenty five. I'm sure 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.040 he's even worked on his body even more here in 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:04.840 the last couple of years and every his third year. 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.800 Five hundred and sixty one total yards as a complimentary 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.800 back in that twenty three season, and he led the 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.719 Bear running backs in offensive snaps with three hundred and 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.000 ninety five, adding another one hundred and fifty two special 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.320 team snaps overall, and impressive two point fifty four after 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:19.679 the catch in his rookie season. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:21.920 That's seven and a half yards per catch per route. 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.320 You know one thing about rochan Johnson is the most 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:26.160 difficult thing for a running back is to learn how 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.360 to block, and he doesn't really need to be taught 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.079 that because he's probably one of the best blockers the 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.680 Bears have on the roster right now. But we'll see 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:35.960 from some of the young guys they brought aboard. And 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.959 one thing about that I always like about Rochan Johnson. 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:42.360 You talked about DeAndre swifty and great in the screen game, 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.960 Rochean Johnson is more of a quarterback protector on the 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.560 interior of the line of scrimmage, and he's really got 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.560 good outlet instincts, so he can catch the ball in 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:56.079 between the tackles and then get something out of that. 0:12:56.480 --> 0:12:59.640 And so Rochan is a different type of a back 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:02.080 than you're going to get out of DeAndre Swift. But 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.960 he does some of the more difficult things really well. 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:08.400 And he kind of started to develop a relationship with 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.200 Caleb Williams of understanding he could be a late outlet 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.640 option in this offense. And I think that's going to 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.000 be interesting for a coach the enemy to take a 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.079 look at what Rochan offers this offense that may be 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:21.439 different than DeAndre and. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.480 The rest of the guys yeah, I agree. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.920 DeAndre does do more in space, but I think Rochan 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.160 is a little bit more specific specifically, go line. I 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:33.560 don't want the ball handed to Doug Kramer. Give it 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.560 to Roshan Johnson, all right, he's the bigger back who 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.880 can pound it in there. Short guardage situations. Give it 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:43.040 to Rochan. I don't care. I don't think Tom cares. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.000 If everybody in the stadium knows that Roshan's getting the ball, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.439 if everybody does their job, he should be able to 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.440 get one yard. Okay, slow middle screens like what Tom said, 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:57.680 those plays are ideal for Rochan. It's still a passing play. 0:13:57.679 --> 0:13:59.840 It's a screen, but you can muscle it up in 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.320 the offensive line and get Donald field and Roachan is. 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:06.120 Very good in that area picking up blitzes. Rochean. 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.560 He can be a bowling ball with a nickelback coming 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.559 off the edge. Cut Rochan on him. Hey man, that 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:15.400 guy will stonewall anybody coming off the edge. There are 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:17.400 things that he can do well and how he needs 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:21.000 to be utilized and like and I like his juice 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.760 when he's in a game, he kind of I don't 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.040 want to say it's his attitude, but with his energy 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.360 with his physicality, it raises the level of play everybody. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:34.040 In my opinion, it inspires guys. I like that about Roachon. 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:35.920 Oh yeah, they were a couple couple of games where 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.320 he put guys on their back and he is fiery 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.960 and very much that way. Ian Wheeler in college obviously 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.080 was the hammer and never really the nail. In college, 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.480 he ran with attitude and violence, and we saw what 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.600 he could bring to the table in the preseason last 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:55.520 year with speed as well. Tom I know he suffered 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:58.560 the ACL injury. It tore him up big time, but 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:00.680 he's back. We interviewed him, we'll hear from him in 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.480 a couple of weeks on this show. But he's got 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:08.320 a great attitude, another pickback and just untap potential. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:09.320 What do you think about Ian? 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.680 One thing I like about Ian has got innate ability 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.040 to see and visualize how the hole is going to 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.280 open up. And he's the type of guy that he 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:20.200 can make interior moves inside the line of scrimmage to 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.120 make a linebacker miss or get that important extra two 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.400 to four yards after contact. I like Ian Wheeler. I 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.680 like the you know, his excitement, that his ability to 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.320 go out there and compete and I don't think there's 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.400 you can't you put him in a running back room 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.720 and you make the running back room more competitive. You 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.840 don't ever put him in a room in a position 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.600 room and think, oh, my position room didn't get any better. 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.360 I think if you increase the competition, it means a 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:48.480 lot for every one of those guys. But I still 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.440 like what I've seen out of Ian Wheeler in training 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:51.280 camp last year. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.080 This guy's a jitterbug. He obviously has a ton of speed. 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.640 You know, you can utilize him in certain situations sprint draws, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.320 space plays, wide receiver screens when you split him out 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:03.880 motion them out of the backfield. 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:04.840 I think those are the. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:08.640 Best assets of Ian Wheeler because his speed is second 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:12.160 to none, where he kind of just destroys angles of defenders, 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:15.000 and so he's a different rink. He's a different wrinkle 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.920 that they can use out of the backfield. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.520 And so is Kyle Manungai can't wait to watch him 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:23.000 in preseason. Here, seventh round pick out of Rutgers five 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:25.160 nine to two oh nine, led the Big Ten and 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:27.920 rushing in twenty three. Second behind I I was Caleb 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.880 Johnson in twenty twenty four and led the conference in 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.200 rushing attempts with two fifty six, also was on punt block, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:35.640 he was on kick coverage. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.560 He was on punt coverage. And this quote I found 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:40.040 in a story. I don't know who. 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.200 Wrote it, but I had copied the quote. Be competitive 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:44.880 around the guys around me in the room. That's what 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.360 I like to show them. There's no chill chill way, 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:48.560 no cool chill way. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:49.040 To go about it. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:50.760 You just got to be on the edge of your 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.680 seat at all times and to show them, not that 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.520 I've done everything that I want to do, but if 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.080 you want to get to where you want to get to, 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.360 that's the type of urgency and the type of mentality. 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:01.600 Have to take to do things. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.440 And I think Tom that underscore is the competitive aspect 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.960 that you just said about, you know, Wheeler. I think 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:09.800 we're going to see it firsthand from Kyle Manungai, who 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.480 also is a stellar pass protector at least he was 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:13.080 in the Big ten. 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.720 Well, Manungue, how long does it take you to make 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:20.160 to tell yourself that you belong? I can remember in 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.440 going up against the eighty five defense in nine on 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.320 seven in practice, in the first couple plays, Jeff I 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.480 thought there's no way I can do this. I can't 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:32.760 even catch these guys. Singletary is five steps laterally before 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.239 I can even get to the thing, and then all 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.960 of a sudden the process starts slowing down. Then all 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:39.720 of a sudden, you do one thing well and you 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.479 kind of make yourself believe I can do this, And 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:45.639 then you got to make sure that that infiltrates your mind. 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.560 And Manunguy, once he sits out there and he sees TJ. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:53.480 Edwards across from him, he sees Tremaine Edmunds across from 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.680 He's got to make sure that he doesn't get intimidated 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.679 that he doesn't know if he can block these guys, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.160 because you're going to have those guys facing you every 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.520 team across the NFL board. But as soon as you 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.720 feel that you belong, then you're starting to make that 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.159 most important first step to allow him to believe everything 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:12.359 he's done he can compete. 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:12.640 Jim. 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.639 He's a Jersey kid. Man, He's a Jersey kid. He 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:17.280 comes in building up, built for that. 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:20.680 Yeah, well, manung guy should believe. Because the running back 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.720 who got drafted ahead of him, it's Isaiah Pachecko, also 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:24.400 from Rutgers. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:25.720 He was a seventh rounder. 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:29.960 That's seventh rounder Isaiah pacheckll He unseated Clyde Edwards Lair, 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:34.159