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Speaker 1: It would have sanctions for financial institutions in response to China.

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Speaker 1: China having some national security laws that are very controversial

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Speaker 1: I'll bring you the latest on COVID nineteen reaction nationally.

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Speaker 1: The President was in Michigan today. Front Lots to get through.

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Speaker 1: WAPPO reports officials in and around the nation's capital made

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Speaker 1: Jordan's President Trump is supposed to be going to Baltimore.

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Speaker 1: How's the plan. It's pretty controversial. Off in Baltimore, Kevin,

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Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. And did you

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Speaker 1: see this? What's happening with U S China relations? Did

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Speaker 1: you see this? Hong Kong is back capturing the attention

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Speaker 1: But you had European nations, You had many saying you know, yes,

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Speaker 1: Trump of course doubled down and said, you know, no,

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Speaker 1: thirty days. Ugar Smalley, I could talk to you about

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Speaker 1: this stuff forever. Congrats on the new show. Go subscribe

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Speaker 1: to it on her YouTube channel. Uh it is called

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Speaker 1: oh My World and it's on YouTube. More. Next on

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Speaker 1: Blomberg Company, I wanted you're listening to Bloomberg Sound On

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Speaker 1: with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg and one all five point

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Speaker 1: seven F M H D two. So the nation's capital

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Speaker 1: might reopen May twenty nights. Alright, folks, we're getting through

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Speaker 1: this thing. We're getting through it. The hair salons, the barbershops,

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Speaker 1: my mom back up. Indelko just texting me She's saying,

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Speaker 1: I'm not throwing ourselves into this controversy. My name is

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Speaker 1: Kevin CEREALI I'm the chief Washington, Washington correspondent for Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Television and for Bloomberg Radio. And joining us on the

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Speaker 1: line is former Congressman David Jolly. He's a Republican and

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Speaker 1: I understand that he is quarantining in the Great State,

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Speaker 1: the Keystone State of the mountain tops of Pennsylvania. Where

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Speaker 1: are you, NBA? That's right, Kevin, we are just about

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Speaker 1: dead in the middle of the State College in Harrisburg.

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Speaker 1: I'm missing home though, I'm missing Florida. Oh yeah, no

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Speaker 1: offense Florida. Here. We had a Patrick Murphy on him.

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Speaker 1: He's living the life. He's going fishing, he's in the boat.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, but hey, I went to penn State and

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Speaker 1: that's a beautiful part of part of the state, and

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Speaker 1: especially this time of year, it's gorgeous. You know, First

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Speaker 1: of all, we all should live the life that Patrick

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Speaker 1: Murphy does. He's one of my friends. Throw him under

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Speaker 1: the bus on that My wife's family is from this

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Speaker 1: part of Pennsylvania. Should leave the life of Trem Murphy.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm still he is. He is living the

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Speaker 1: ten years. And I appreciate that in p A you

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Speaker 1: wake up and it's still in the forties and the

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Speaker 1: hundred degrees. See, I prefer that, he But do yourself

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Speaker 1: a favor. Go to Penn State University. They just released

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Speaker 1: curbside for the creamery and get yourself some ice cream.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's forty degrees or thirty two degrees.

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Speaker 1: Creamery ice cream, best ice cream in the in the world,

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Speaker 1: literally on the planet. Creamery ice Cream and Penn State. Um,

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Speaker 1: what I want to ask you? What are you up to?

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Speaker 1: I heard that you've launched this new Uh. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's not so new anymore, but you've launched this new

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Speaker 1: organization joined us. It's a Serve America movement. Tell me

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Speaker 1: about the Serve America movement. That's right, Kevin and Sam.

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Speaker 1: You know most people know by Sam, but it's a

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Speaker 1: years ago going on for I've just joined as their chairman.

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Speaker 1: And look, SAM is an organization that reflects really where

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Speaker 1: political journey. I was a Republican my entire my entire life,

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Speaker 1: but never quite a good enough Republican. I did not

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Speaker 1: support the president as a Republican member of Congress and

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Speaker 1: ultimately left the Republican Party after I left Congress. But

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Speaker 1: And so what Sam's doing is really unique. You know,

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Speaker 1: People feel passionate about political issues. Maybe they're conservative, progressive,

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Speaker 1: SAM is trying to unrigged the system to create a

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Speaker 1: platform of cross partisanship. And what we're focused on his competition.

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Speaker 1: How do we restore competition between the two major parties

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Speaker 1: competition hopefully restore accountability. You know, it really is fascinating

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Speaker 1: reaction failed America, but Congress also failed US and it

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Speaker 1: has for years. I how it is? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: go through it in your article, but summarize it for us. Now,

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Speaker 1: how do I mean? I think we all know how,

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Speaker 1: but for in your words, how to Congress fell? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Kevin, tone is important. In fact, for those who

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Speaker 1: may know me from MSNBC, I can be very harsh

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Speaker 1: politics have broken us. We really are two nations politically,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm very careful not to play what about

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Speaker 1: since I got out of college. I've I've worked with

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Speaker 1: each year Congress holds more political fundraisers than they do

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Speaker 1: congressional hearings. Congress missed the intelligence and evidence of this

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Speaker 1: the sentence we have put in front of Congress have

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Speaker 1: those hyperpartisan matters. And it's a combination of many factors

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Speaker 1: and the me and the media rewards, media reward that

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this though, because this is the

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Speaker 1: want to ask you on this. You you talk about

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Speaker 1: how Connor has missed the mark uh and and miss

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Speaker 1: warning signs. I mean the signs were there with China,

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Speaker 1: were they not? Oh? They were, and the size have

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Speaker 1: been there since two thousand ten, that we're not prepared

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Speaker 1: for a pandemic. The g a a warrened Congress in

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Speaker 1: the administration in that there was a pandemic threat that

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Speaker 1: But I've got to tell you, as a rank and

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Speaker 1: I own that. I own that responsibility. But it's because

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Speaker 1: could cripple our healthcare, financial sector, and energy grid with

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Speaker 1: But Congress and the President will want credit for however

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Speaker 1: have really issued warnings about China. I'm curious. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think we have work to do. Um. I don't

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Speaker 1: worry so much about our ability to manage geopolitical threats.

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Speaker 1: We are the greatest nation on earth. We we are

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Speaker 1: the strongest nation on earth, and when we take governing seriously,

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Speaker 1: we can prepare for whatever the challenge. Maybe what I

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Speaker 1: is the demonizing of foreign powers to elicit zenophobia for

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Speaker 1: political purposes. Look, we all know this originated in China,

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Speaker 1: from Florida and the chairman of SAM appreciate you. Coming on,

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Speaker 1: Go get some creamery ice cream, all right, enjoy Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been back. I have not been back to

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Speaker 1: in fever here in the nation's capital, David Jolly always

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Speaker 1: greats to catch up with you. Coming up again tomorrow

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Speaker 1: on a special show. We're gonna hear from Congressman Max Rose.

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