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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wokate F Daily with

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Speaker 1: me your girl, Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you something. On a day this week,

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Speaker 1: I woke up with sheer panic in my stomach and

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Speaker 1: in my heart. I had had a series of nightmares

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Speaker 1: about the now fifteen thousand plus people that have been murdered,

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Speaker 1: majority of them children and women in Gaza. I had

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Speaker 1: a nightmare that Donald Trump became president, the last president

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Speaker 1: of the United States, that I was ripped apart from

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Speaker 1: my family, from my friends, from my freedom, that LGBTQ

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Speaker 1: people were forced into camps and or underground, that black

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Speaker 1: people segregation was born and new, except more violent people

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Speaker 1: were losing their jobs, their homes, being incarcerated at rates

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Speaker 1: that we have never seen. And the Trump administration twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five was like a steamroller. Thankfully, I woke up

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Speaker 1: and it was still twenty twenty three. However, folks, this week,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, in a pre taped interview with Sean Hannity

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Speaker 1: in Iowa, when asked by Sean Hannity, will you weaponize

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Speaker 1: your position if president again? Will you seek retribution on

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Speaker 1: those that were against you? Donald Trump's response was, I'll

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Speaker 1: only be a dictator on day one. To that response

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Speaker 1: was rousing laughter and applause from the audience. Right after that, folks,

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Speaker 1: which happened at the beginning of the week. It happened

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Speaker 1: on Tuesday. I went on MSNBC that Wednesday morning with

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Speaker 1: Anna Cabrera and she played the clips and it was

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Speaker 1: like the same questions, Well, what do you think about this?

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Speaker 1: Should we take this seriously? Blah blah. I cannot fucking

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Speaker 1: express enough that we need to take Donald Trump very seriously.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that, oh, Donald Trump will be a

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Speaker 1: dictator on day one and then you know, he'll go

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Speaker 1: back to following the Constitution, which his lawyers most recently

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Speaker 1: to uphold the Constitution. I want to remind folks that

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Speaker 1: everything that came out of Donald Trump's mouth that he

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Speaker 1: said that he would do during his first administration, he did.

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Speaker 1: He tested the fences. Now he knows where all of

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Speaker 1: the weak spots are, he knows where all of the

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Speaker 1: hidden doors are. He knows exactly what to expect, exactly

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Speaker 1: who to install to finish the hit job on our democracy.

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Speaker 1: So when I'm asked, should we take Donald Trump at

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Speaker 1: his word? My response is yeah, apps fucking lutely, and

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Speaker 1: so forevery one who is continuing to signal comfortably in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty three that they're not going to vote for

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden. Look here, folks, I'm having nightmares about what

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Speaker 1: is happening in Gaza, just like all of you. I

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Speaker 1: am disgusted, dismayed, feel a sense of hopelessness that this

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Speaker 1: could be happening in broad daylight with our fucking tax

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Speaker 1: dollars and everyone's just okay with it. Then I remember

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Speaker 1: they martyreed six million Jews and Gypsies and all different

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Speaker 1: types of people that Hitler deemed unworthy before the United

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Speaker 1: States would enter into World War II. We have an

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Speaker 1: entire museum now dedicated to lynchings that took place in

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Speaker 1: this country. We don't even know how many enslaved Black

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Speaker 1: Africans were killed, murder, torture, beaten, raped, and we're talking

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Speaker 1: about centuries, folks. This country's hands have never been cleaned,

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Speaker 1: they have always been covered in blood. But the kind

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Speaker 1: of rampage that Donald Trump will do in this country,

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Speaker 1: I want you to remember the image from Lafayette Square

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Speaker 1: where he had protesters cleared out forcefully. We're in Madison's book.

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Speaker 1: General Madis's book, he said, Donald Trump asked them, can't

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Speaker 1: we just shoot them in the leg or something. He said,

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Speaker 1: absolutely fucking not. The next general that Trump would install

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have sworn an oath to the Constitution. They would

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Speaker 1: have sworn an oath to Donald Trump. He wants the

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Speaker 1: ability to turn the military on citizens he deems as

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Speaker 1: dissenters or enemies of the state, which would be anyone

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Speaker 1: who is not white, who is not straight, who is

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Speaker 1: not male, who is not Christian, and who is not MAGA. So,

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Speaker 1: folks need to wake the fuck up. You need to

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Speaker 1: start having conversations. Friends. Keep having those conversations with your family,

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Speaker 1: your friends, your colleagues, your voting age kids, because what

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Speaker 1: is at stake is our freedom. Coming up next my

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Speaker 1: conversation with my friend Roquel Willis, who is an activist,

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Speaker 1: a trans activist, author, writer, just all around badass. I

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Speaker 1: interview her about her new book, The Risk It Takes

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Speaker 1: to Bloom. Yeah, dear Friends, is coming up next, folks.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited anytime that I get to bring

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Speaker 1: thrilled and newly minted author Roquel Willis is here with

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Speaker 1: Takes to Bloom, which girl the title just bravo on

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Speaker 1: life and liberation about her story, and it is just

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you can tell by the plants in

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Speaker 1: blooming is right up my alley. But Raquel, let me

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Speaker 1: start out by asking this question. You have been in

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Speaker 1: media and journalism for years, right, you have founded the

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you why now for your memoir?

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Speaker 1: You know, what was it about this moment, this time?

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Speaker 1: What was the deciding like, yes, it's this is this

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Speaker 1: is the time for me to put out my full story.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much, Danielle. Well, I've been joking that,

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Speaker 2: well this is when the publisher set it could come out,

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Speaker 3: Kind of true.

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Speaker 2: But part of it, I mean, and let's be roll,

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Speaker 2: some of it is that. Some of it is like

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Speaker 2: it has taken me having a certain amount of access

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Speaker 2: by the powers that be that my story can be

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Speaker 2: told on this level and in this format, So that

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Speaker 2: is also important to name. But the the seeds of

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Speaker 2: this really started in college when I was at the

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Speaker 2: University of Georgia back in twenty thirteen. I studied journalism

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Speaker 2: and at that time, like it was just before Orang

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Speaker 3: So I knew that.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to add something to the trans canon about

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Speaker 1: I think that that is what is also really important

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Speaker 1: to explain more about that, is that there has been

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Speaker 1: there is this assumption that it must be these liberals

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Speaker 1: So I want you just to be able to speak

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Speaker 2: And so I think there's also an intervention I wanted

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Speaker 2: I talk about my experiences both in progressive regions quote unquote,

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Speaker 2: No, there's still anti blackness and trans misogyny in the

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Speaker 2: LGBTQ movement. There's still all of those things in feminism,

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Speaker 2: and they're still trans misogyny and queerophobia and black liberation movement, yes, right,

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Speaker 1: Do you think that you know, when adding your memoir

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Speaker 1: you know, I will speak to it from my angle

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Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen book banning. I hadn't seen you

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Speaker 2: that comes from access, from having a platform, from having success,

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Speaker 3: And then, unfortunately, and I talk.

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Speaker 2: in my day to day life outside of you know,

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Speaker 2: Right, There's a real and some of this privilege is

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Speaker 2: have to say, right, And that's not even getting into

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Speaker 2: you know, light skin.

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Speaker 3: Privilege, social economic privilege, educational privilege, and on and on.

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Speaker 2: And so it's a mixed bag, right, because my hope

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Speaker 2: But unfortunately, so much has not shifted. To your point, right,

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Speaker 3: So that's difficult to hold. And it is.

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Speaker 1: I think that the work that you do, not only

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Speaker 1: And Folks, I owe a continued debt of gratitude to

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Speaker 1: Raquel because if not for her, the stories and the

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Speaker 1: conversations that I have here on iHeart with WOKF daily

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened without you. And so I just you know,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate how dedicated you are to diverse queer voices,

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Speaker 1: because I just think it's it's extraordinary and it's deeply

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Speaker 1: appreciated and deeply needed. So thank you, my friend. Congratulation

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Speaker 1: on your book. Folks. It is called the risk it

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Speaker 1: takes to Bloom on Life and Liberation. Pick it up,

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Speaker 1: by a copy for yourself, by a copy for your friends.

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Speaker 1: It is that giving and holiday season time, so give

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today on woke a app as

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Speaker 1: always power to the people and to all the people power,

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Speaker 1: get woke and stay woke as fuck.