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Speaker 1: in these national championship games roll and after a great
Speaker 1: opening drive by Notre Dame, they could never duplicate it.
Speaker 1: And Ohio State NIL should stand for not in our league.
Speaker 1: You can just you know, listen. The number that matters
Speaker 1: now is sixty six thousand. That's how many kids go
Speaker 1: to Ohio State. What does that matter? Because Big ten
Speaker 1: graduates don't stay. Lots of them don't stand the midway.
Speaker 1: Not enough jobs. They go to the coast. They go
Speaker 1: make money and they pour it back into the school.
Speaker 1: And so these gigantic Big ten schools, they're not holding
Speaker 1: bake sales like Alabama and car washes like Auburn to
Speaker 1: afford the NIL. I mean, they're fan bases. They've got
Speaker 1: a lot of Ohio State grads. I know two of
Speaker 1: them that are big funders of the NIL collective, and
Speaker 1: you watch that offense, Sean, that offense is I mean,
Speaker 1: and their offensive lines dinged up. They just got pros everywhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it just I mean, Notre Dame
Speaker 1: is well coached, good defensively, cannot compete.
Speaker 2: Well, think about this, we get back to back years
Speaker 2: now Michigan, Ohio State dominate and win the National Championship.
Speaker 2: Just full of NFL guys. When you look this year,
Speaker 2: Penn State is in the final four, Texas is now
Speaker 2: an SEC team, but come on, I mean, they've been
Speaker 2: there for ten minutes last year, Washington's in the final four.
Speaker 2: We know Oregon's not going away. I think when you
Speaker 2: look at the SEC, Alabama got there last year and
Speaker 2: Saban's like two days later. I'm out. So I think
Speaker 2: the lessen All these rulings are constantly coming out as
Speaker 2: a fluid situation. But one thing we know, nuts is
Speaker 2: ever going to go back to the way it was
Speaker 2: more money, more funding, more cutting checks for these players,
Speaker 2: and not just Ohio State. I would say the big
Speaker 2: ten in general Michigan. When I lived in Philadelphia and
Speaker 2: worked for the Eagles, you know, usually local radio in
Speaker 2: a pro city. They talked to a lot of Penn State.
Speaker 2: Why a lot of graduates live in that area. A
Speaker 2: lot of people went there and a lot of people
Speaker 2: watched the game. So I'm with you. I think the
Speaker 2: Big Ten have a huge advantage moving forward. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a place in Naples, Flori. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful beach community, very very high end Sarasota Naples area.
Speaker 1: My wife introduced me to it. It's all Big Ten
Speaker 1: fans and it I mean, I believe me. It is Badger, Buckeye, Wolverine,
Speaker 1: Spartan flags all over town. And let me just tell you,
Speaker 1: there is a lot of money in the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Those graduates make a lot of money. Because I've been
Speaker 1: in Naples for about a decade now and I'm always
Speaker 1: amazed by it. I mean, let's say Rodeo drive downtown
Speaker 1: and that is absolutely you know, SEC fans go to
Speaker 1: what they I think they call it the Riviera, the
Speaker 1: Redneck Rivier or something.
Speaker 2: I've never been there.
Speaker 1: But then you go down to Sarasota in Naples and
Speaker 1: that's a different level of money, and that is Big
Speaker 1: Ten money. And I'll say this, A lot of people
Speaker 1: are pushing back I'm saying this is a one off. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. You and I talked about this Penn State.
Speaker 1: Look at the size of these schools, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan,
Speaker 1: Washington's a huge school. They're not and those graduates they
Speaker 1: leave a lot of times their area and they're loyal
Speaker 1: and the SEC schools like when Alabama is think about this.
Speaker 1: Nick Saban is one of the smartest coaches ever. Look
Speaker 1: how great of a coach he was. NFL teams would
Speaker 1: fly down and look at how Alabama ran their program,
Speaker 1: including Belichick. Look how good of a broadcaster he is.
Speaker 1: Saban Is. He's literally made game day feel huge. And
Speaker 1: everybody on that's talented. Reheese, Pat Herbstreet, Howard. I mean,
Speaker 1: those guys are all talented. Nick is just makes it
Speaker 1: feel huge, car dealerships, the way he has leveraged his career.
Speaker 1: Just how smart this guy is. The first year the
Speaker 1: NIL opened up, Nick Saban saw it and he got
Speaker 1: very nervous. I was told about Texas. He told his guys,
Speaker 1: we can't compete with Texas. That is oil money, it's
Speaker 1: tech money. Alabama cannot compete with Texas.
Speaker 2: He knew it.
Speaker 1: He sounded the alarms the first year and if Saban,
Speaker 1: who's the smartest coach arguably in college football, he's certainly
Speaker 1: on a short list, saw it coming and he got
Speaker 1: the hell out. Nick could coach today if he wanted to.
Speaker 1: God the guy come. I look at him on TV.
Speaker 1: He's just so magnetic and dynamic. Nick's a sharp dude.
Speaker 1: He knows the truth is that Georgia's got some money.
Speaker 1: Tennessee's got some money. I think the tide. Remember Washington's
Speaker 1: in Seattle. They don't have a huge collective, but Jedfish
Speaker 1: can recruit. Last year was a rebuilding year. They're going
Speaker 1: to be closer to Oregon than Iowa going forward. USC's
Speaker 1: can listen to this. USC's collective now is over twenty million.
Speaker 1: They've already spent thirty million over the next For the
Speaker 1: next eighteen months, they have to figure out how to
Speaker 1: pay all these bills. I think the SEC knows it.
Speaker 1: I think the smart people in that conference can see
Speaker 1: it before it's happened. But this year and last year,
Speaker 1: watched the games. There is a gay Notre Dame beat
Speaker 1: Georgia and con troll Georgia the field to night totally.
Speaker 2: I think, listen, you and I and I turned into
Speaker 2: an SEC fan during the Saving era. Why was the
Speaker 2: best players, it was the best games. They still have
Speaker 2: the best talent. The reality now is when Kirby back
Speaker 2: in the day, Bobby Bowden, Dabo Sweeney, all the Southern
Speaker 2: coaches knocked on your door, you were gonna go to
Speaker 2: one of those schools. Now they just call your agent
Speaker 2: and say, hey, they're offering you five hundred grand, will
Speaker 2: offer you eight fifty and some side cash. Do you
Speaker 2: wanted to pay taxes on? It's not a fair fight.
Speaker 2: And that's what this has turned into. It is strictly
Speaker 2: paid to play. It's why I laugh, like forever. A
Speaker 2: great recruiter Obviously to become a great recruiter, you had
Speaker 2: to have a personality, but you also had to be
Speaker 2: at a program that offered you a lot. Right, they
Speaker 2: might even could pay you a little under the table.
Speaker 2: Now there's we don't even you know, beat around the
Speaker 2: bush on that. It's like, no, a great recruiter is
Speaker 2: someone that can offer me eight hundred thousand dollars. I mean,
Speaker 2: the guy was the quarterback that was going to play
Speaker 2: for Brian Kelly Underwood. He was going to LSU and
Speaker 2: then He ended up at Michigan not because he loves
Speaker 2: Sharon Moore and Tom Brady and Dave Portnoy, because they
Speaker 2: paid him like twelve to fifteen million dollars. Even Brian
Speaker 2: Kelly's like, yeah, we can't pay him that much. We
Speaker 2: don't have the money. Look at Nebraska last year.
Speaker 1: Now Michigan States boosters. One of them is the guy
Speaker 1: that owns the Cavs. The other ones the guy that
Speaker 1: owns the Suns.
Speaker 2: So it's like this, it is going to be they
Speaker 2: got the talent, but these big ten urban started years ago,
Speaker 2: right when he went from Florida to Ohio. Station. We
Speaker 2: got to get in the South and recruit the players.
Speaker 2: Well now everyone knows that, but they can just cut
Speaker 2: the check. So I'm gonna be I think Texas, like
Speaker 2: you mentioned Saban, I didn't know that he said that,
Speaker 2: but I mean he's got ears, eyes and a brain.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not hard to figure out. I think
Speaker 2: A and M as well. I think the two Texas
Speaker 2: schools that are in the SEC have a massive advantage
Speaker 2: financially because that's the world we're in. Can you pay
Speaker 2: the players or not the most? That's where they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Go look at this. I was talking to UH during
Speaker 1: the course of this season. I was talking to a
Speaker 1: general manager and he said, let me tell you he's
Speaker 1: going to be number one next year. Take quarterbacks out.
Speaker 1: He goes, Caleb Downs is going to be number one
Speaker 1: next year. He goes that kid would start for every
Speaker 1: single NFL team as a sophomore in college. He goes,
Speaker 1: there's not an NFL team he wouldn't start for. And
Speaker 1: then and then I texted him. That was mid season.
Speaker 1: I texted him before this game, and he said, if
Speaker 1: because it's a very weak draft, he said, if Jeremiah Smith,
Speaker 1: the receiver for Ohio State, and Caleb Downs were available,
Speaker 1: He's like, these quarterbacks are not good enough. He goes,
Speaker 1: Cam would probably go over those players because Tennessee needs
Speaker 1: a quarterback. He said, would they go two and three?
Speaker 1: He's like, these kids are I mean, we watched Jeremiah
Speaker 1: Smith and and Caleb Down. They don't even look like
Speaker 1: college players. It reminds me when when Jamar Chase was
Speaker 1: at LSU, Like as sophomore year, You're like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is a pro receiver. Who would who would start? He
Speaker 1: would make he would start for every team in the
Speaker 1: NFL the year before he went and left LSU.
Speaker 2: You could argue, I mean, what's really going to separate?
Speaker 2: Are the top five or six programs because of the money,
Speaker 2: And obviously Ohio State and Oregon are in clearly the
Speaker 2: top tier. Texas and I would throw Texas A and
Speaker 2: m in there. I mean, they got a little taste
Speaker 2: of being back this year, of being good and being
Speaker 2: right there. They have unlimited money. That's the sport. Now
Speaker 2: what happened to Michigan this year? They finally won a
Speaker 2: national championship. Then they started getting embarrassed and they said,
Speaker 2: what do you need? What do we need? We or
Speaker 2: don't want to do this ever again. So that's what
Speaker 2: And listen, I started at Fresno State, that program wouldn't
Speaker 2: have existed. I don't know how they maintain it. The
Speaker 2: Logan Mankins, the Ryan Matthews, Washington State, how are they
Speaker 2: going to function moving forward? The moment you get a guy, yeah,
Speaker 2: that guy might be a third rounder. Oh he's a sophomore.
Speaker 2: Every school worth their salts in his DM saying hey,
Speaker 2: how much you want? And they leave, They just automatically leave.
Speaker 2: What we saw last year with Austin Genty I don't
Speaker 2: I think we'll ever see again. Even the head coach
Speaker 2: this year said it. He's like, he turned down seven
Speaker 2: figures to stay here, and all we could offer almost
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars. I mean, that's that's the world.
Speaker 2: One day, I was at the gym, probably a couple
Speaker 2: months ago, and I look up and his first take
Speaker 2: is just on one of the big TVs and it's
Speaker 2: a kid, and I'm like, what's going on. I think
Speaker 2: Shannon and steven A were talking to him, and it's
Speaker 2: the number one basketball recruit. When I got home, I
Speaker 2: googled him. He's going to BYU next year. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's not hard to figure out the Mormons cut that
Speaker 2: kid a massive check and that listen. I have no
Speaker 2: problem with that. I mean, that's in a weird way,
Speaker 2: that's what I would say. The sport has always been
Speaker 2: basketball and football, you know, financing these I got no
Speaker 2: problem with it. But that that is one hundred percent
Speaker 2: the world we're living in now, and it's really separating
Speaker 2: at the top. I mean, think about your guy lane
Speaker 2: Ole miss. This year they break the bank and then
Speaker 2: they don't even make the playoffs. Are they less likely
Speaker 2: to keep breaking the bank when you don't have results.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think this is coaches will get poached.
Speaker 1: You know, A prime example is John It's harder to
Speaker 1: fire a college basketball coach because he can go to
Speaker 1: his boosters, his donors and his ad and go, I've
Speaker 1: made the tournament twelve straight years. Okay, you can't get
Speaker 1: rid of Sark. If Sark makes the playoff any will
Speaker 1: ten of the next eleven years. You're not going to
Speaker 1: get rid of him if he can win a game
Speaker 1: or two here and there. And my point being is
Speaker 1: so these coaches now are going to make enormous money,
Speaker 1: like better than NFL money for a lot of these guys.
Speaker 1: Can the SEC schools pay for that? I mean, let's
Speaker 1: just say tomorrow, let's say one of the coaches in
Speaker 1: the Big Ten doesn't work. Ryan Day's fine, Ryan Franklin's gone.
Speaker 1: I mean, most of the guys are fine. But let's say,
Speaker 1: for instance, a school goes and offers Laane Kiffen a job,
Speaker 1: and in the Big Ten, they say, here's twelve million dollars.
Speaker 1: Can an SEC school fund their collective and pay the
Speaker 1: football head coach, not the staff, twenty million dollars? This
Speaker 1: is gonna funnel down to the coaches. Is now a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys are saving.
Speaker 2: Giving up the money calling Brian Kelly gave a million
Speaker 2: dollars to help fund the collective? Did you see that story?
Speaker 2: A couple like a month ago? He gave a million
Speaker 2: dollars of his own salary to the collective? Why because
Speaker 2: elis do you think you have to do that? Ohio State?
Speaker 2: But no, it's hard for him to say, I'm making
Speaker 2: nine and a half million dollars in the collective. Were
Speaker 2: a little short, and then you start getting heat. When
Speaker 2: Underwood goes to Michigan, It's like, well, I got to
Speaker 2: give in a little bit. That's that to me was
Speaker 2: a pretty big red flag for LSU. He had to
Speaker 2: give a million dollars of a salary.
Speaker 1: If so, if you telling me that, I didn't hear
Speaker 1: that story, So Saban saying, get me out of here.
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly giving up a million Listen for years and
Speaker 1: years the sec and it was just it was just
Speaker 1: everybody knew it. They were paying kids through the churches.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking paying a kid one hundred thousand bucks
Speaker 1: fifty That is doesn't even I mean, it just doesn't
Speaker 1: even compete, and I think I'll just say it now,
Speaker 1: the SEC may never get worse than the second best conference.
Speaker 1: But if the Big Ten truly cares going forward, they
Speaker 1: will control college football going forward. And you know, for
Speaker 1: the record, Michigan won last year, Ohio State won this year.
Speaker 1: You see Penn State outside of Carter and that tight
Speaker 1: end returns everybody Penn State and they're going to be
Speaker 1: back Drew Aller. Penn State next year loses a great
Speaker 1: tight end and a great then these are first round players.
Speaker 1: But Michigan next year, Washington, Ohio State, and Oregon is
Speaker 1: still really good. Like the Big Ten, this was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a down year. Let's be honest. Michigan
Speaker 1: in a rebuild, Washington to rebuild, Caleb william leaves USC
Speaker 1: in a rebuild. All those teams should be better next year.
Speaker 2: Well the other thing is, and you mentioned Michigan State
Speaker 2: with their big boss. I mean, I'm sure you agree.
Speaker 2: I think Jonathan Smith's a stud and this is the
Speaker 2: worst team he's gonna have coaching there, so they will
Speaker 2: be better. I mean he's a high level coach. Nebraska
Speaker 2: funneling and a bunch of money. I think the problem
Speaker 2: for the SEC is for about fifteen years in the
Speaker 2: saving era, and when other teams would kind of match them,
Speaker 2: like LSU want to give a year. Obviously, Georgia at
Speaker 2: the end, Clemson was basically, as my buddy Phil Savage
Speaker 2: used to tell me, they were an SEC in their heyday,
Speaker 2: an SEC school playing an ACC schedule. But they had
Speaker 2: SEC players, well, their backups. Right when you start training
Speaker 2: camp and you don't know who, like at the time,
Speaker 2: a freshman or sophomore who's gonna kind of separate. You
Speaker 2: just let him battle it out, and then the one
Speaker 2: guy that wins the job ends up being the first
Speaker 2: round pick. Well, his backup is still a fourth rounder.
Speaker 2: And if that guy gets injured, you know, in the
Speaker 2: seventh game of the season, your backup still a fourth rounder. Well,
Speaker 2: now that guy goes I'm out, and all these other
Speaker 2: programs are lined up to take them, and he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I might as well make the same amount of money
Speaker 2: and go start then be a backup. That was their
Speaker 2: biggest advantage I always thought is they're too deep. Was
Speaker 2: the last like right at the beginning of the nil,
Speaker 2: right before the nil, when Kirby was basically turned Georgia
Speaker 2: into Alabama. He went too deep with like my first
Speaker 2: rounder is my starter and my backup is a second rounder.
Speaker 2: Good luck touching me, and you didn't. Well, we saw
Speaker 2: this year they were a shell of themselves and it's
Speaker 2: going to be difficult to just maintain that dominance because
Speaker 2: they do have the talent in the region. But these
Speaker 2: other schools just we got technology. Now, can just send
Speaker 2: you the offer contract on docu sign. I was like,
Speaker 2: here's the money, buddy, you want to come And what
Speaker 2: do you think Their parents and agents are clearly saying,
Speaker 2: Ohio State's been doing it since Urban got there, but
Speaker 2: then Hardboss started getting involved. We know Oregon's going to
Speaker 2: keep funneling out of the SEC in the South. Really,
Speaker 2: Mario started that Penn State like the one thing you say,
Speaker 2: all those guys going back to Penn State. One thing
Speaker 2: James Franklin is is a great recruiter. Ye if you
Speaker 2: give him money, his energy and his effort. I do
Speaker 2: think Texas is going to run the SEC moving forward.
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, SEC fans can say what they want.
Speaker 1: They say Bama is in big trouble. LSU is in
Speaker 1: big trouble. Big trouble Georgia because they're close to Atlanta.
Speaker 1: There's some big boosters there. But remember Atlanta's got the Braves,
Speaker 1: the Falcons. I mean, They've got you know that, They've
Speaker 1: got a lot of things happening in Atlanta. It's a
Speaker 1: very splintered market. Yeah, I think we're.
Speaker 2: Talking when we say trouble right the day of going
Speaker 2: twelve and zero and winning that is, you still might
Speaker 2: win eight nine games, but you're never gonna be what
Speaker 2: probably we've seen in the past.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't even think. I mean, that's not
Speaker 1: even a take. That's not a hot take. I mean
Speaker 1: the sec the days of running it are over, back
Speaker 1: to back years and again I'll say it again. Ohio
Speaker 1: State next year, Jeremiah Smith and Caleb Downs, the two
Speaker 1: best players in the college football ACTU are both back.
Speaker 1: And you know I'm and now you're going to how
Speaker 1: you think the recruiting's going to go transfer portal is
Speaker 1: going to go off this win? I mean the players listen, man,
Speaker 1: those star players, they watch what Ohio State is tonight.
Speaker 1: It's a factory up there. Their role in it looks
Speaker 1: like Ryan Day and Chip Kelly. I mean, I thought
Speaker 1: the game plan tonight for Ohio State looked like a
Speaker 1: pro game plan. I mean the way if you watch
Speaker 1: the game plan tonight for Ohio State, those first two drives,
Speaker 1: it was so chip Kelly, let's build up Will Howard's confidence,
Speaker 1: easy completions, get the ball to the playmaker. It was
Speaker 1: just I mean, I watched enough Chip Kelly games and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is a clinic. This is Chip
Speaker 1: Kelly who doesn't probably doesn't think Will Howard's an elite player,
Speaker 1: but within the system, he can get those twelve yard
Speaker 1: and in completions. He's accurate. Notre Dame never made Will
Speaker 1: Howard uncomfortable. I mean, and this is a beat up
Speaker 1: bowl line. I mean he was. Will Howard was sitting
Speaker 1: back there at one point, I don't know what he was,
Speaker 1: six for six, seven for seven on third down. Just
Speaker 1: couldn't make him uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I would say this, if you've watched Chip Kelly since Oregon,
Speaker 2: if he's busting explosive runs, you got no shot. And
Speaker 2: the moment they start hitting big runs, you're in trouble,
Speaker 2: especially with the firepower they have to throw the ball,
Speaker 2: because then you what are you gonna do? Stack the
Speaker 2: box and let them exploit you and say what you
Speaker 2: want about Will Howard. I questioned it coming into this
Speaker 2: playoff run Colin. In the first half he was fourteen
Speaker 2: to fifteen for two touchdowns, and he's just you remove
Speaker 2: the Texas game, which was a difficult just endeavor for
Speaker 2: him given how good Texas is on defense. He was
Speaker 2: dominant in the three matches against Tennessee, which has NFL
Speaker 2: personnel on defense. Obviously, Oregon is loaded with NFL players,
Speaker 2: and tonight just National Championship Notre Dame to come out.
Speaker 2: He's played. Really, he's made himself some money. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he's gonna get drafted in the second day, but
Speaker 2: I think he's got to get a drafted in the
Speaker 2: somewhere between the fourth and the sixth round.
Speaker 1: First, I think the kid at Syracuse Kyle McCord, and
Speaker 1: Will Howard are gonna get drafted late third, fourth, early
Speaker 1: fifth round. But both big, strong, sturdy kids would throw
Speaker 1: a nice ball with velocity.
Speaker 2: I think I think McCord, if he has a good
Speaker 2: you know this post season before the draft process, could
Speaker 2: go on the second day of the draft, where I
Speaker 2: think Will Howard just because he throws more of a
Speaker 2: pure ball.
Speaker 1: Just I looked at him on YouTube today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know how these quarterback coaches are, these
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators are they when you're just sitting out there.
Speaker 2: I think there's just an element to Will Howard and
Speaker 2: I would say the same about Riley Leonard. They're just
Speaker 2: kind of good football players. I don't know how good
Speaker 2: they would look just in a just shorts, T shirts,
Speaker 2: throwing routes on air in front of the head coach.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're not exactly throwing it like Josh Allen
Speaker 2: out there, and they they're good runners, but they're not running.
Speaker 2: You know what Riley Leonard does and it's fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Is that Does that translate to the NFL just running
Speaker 2: over guys? That's that's hard, and that's that's but he listen,
Speaker 2: he grew on me over this run. He's clearly the
Speaker 2: high level guy. And I think both of them are
Speaker 2: going to be loved by once the coaches get into
Speaker 2: the draft process because they're clearly like just high level kids.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about this. Let's pivot to this.
Speaker 1: The Chicago Bears hired Ben Johnson. The story had leaked.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of rumors that Ben Johnson, the
Speaker 1: coordinator for the Lions offensive coordinator, was going to go
Speaker 1: to the Raiders. That was probably Ben Johnson's people leaking it,
Speaker 1: so it looked like he was going to the Raiders
Speaker 1: because they couldn't quite get everything they wanted. He won't
Speaker 1: be able to choose. I imagine his own general manager
Speaker 1: when the story came out. I said this today on
Speaker 1: TV when the story came out of the Raiders and
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson, I'm like, Bro, that's the worst opening. I
Speaker 1: don't like it at all. I will say this. About
Speaker 1: a week ago, Caleb Williams said, I didn't think it
Speaker 1: was subtle. I'd like an offensive coach. Remember he said,
Speaker 1: I'd like a leader of men vague doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: And then I'd like an offensive coach I could grow with.
Speaker 1: That would be nice. And I think that was kind
Speaker 1: of like, guys, I'm not going to demand anything. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be publicly difficult. Get me an offensive coach,
Speaker 1: and that tells you. And this was what Brady said
Speaker 1: about Belichick and the documentary. And I've heard enough of
Speaker 1: Brady behind the scenes on Belichick saying, listen, Bill just
Speaker 1: didn't even know our terminology. It's not a criticism of Bill.
Speaker 1: They live in a different world. I mean, look at
Speaker 1: Bill's offensive drafting, look at Tomlin's offensive lines and run game.
Speaker 1: They just don't know. We talked about this yesterday. Demko
Speaker 1: Ryans not calling a time out for Houston like defensive coach.
Speaker 1: It's a different language. And I I and I just
Speaker 1: I think I think Ben Johnson will get the best
Speaker 1: out of Caleb Williams. That may not be Jaden Daniels,
Speaker 1: he may never throw like Michael Pennix, but I think
Speaker 1: he'll get the best out of Caleb. And at this point,
Speaker 1: if you can get him right and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: in three four years, you're working on a second contract
Speaker 1: by Chicago Bear quarterback standards. John, that's a win.
Speaker 2: Today is a day to celebrate if you're a Bears fan.
Speaker 2: You got the guy that every one of these teams
Speaker 2: with an opening would have hired. Maybe not counting the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: not quite sure what's going on down there, but all
Speaker 2: the other teams. The Raiders wanted him. He wouldn't interview
Speaker 2: with the Jets. They'd hire him yesterday, obviously, the Jags
Speaker 2: wanted him. That This is a I was thinking about
Speaker 2: it today. You know, Sean McVeigh when he got hired
Speaker 2: Andvian O'Connell weren't as famous definitely Sean as they've become.
Speaker 2: And same with Kevin O'Connell. I would say, it's kind
Speaker 2: of Josh McDaniels Kyle Shanahan. You know when when Mark
Speaker 2: Davis hired Josh McDaniels, that was a pretty big deal.
Speaker 2: Definitely when Ballor tried and when the Niners Yl hired
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. This young guy dominating on offense. Felt like,
Speaker 2: this guy's a star, and a lot of people were
Speaker 2: interested in them. That's what they got today, and they
Speaker 2: got they Essentially Tom Brady wanted someone and he chose
Speaker 2: the Bears. Now I told you last night, even if
Speaker 2: Tom Brady wants you and is a great salesman, and
Speaker 2: you like Tom Brady, and I don't blame you, I'd
Speaker 2: want to work with Tom Brady too. If I was
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. He doesn't live in Vegas, and you know
Speaker 2: the partner that bought in from the VC firm, he's
Speaker 2: in New York. You're still going into the building every day,
Speaker 2: even if you get to hire your own GM and
Speaker 2: Mark Davis is there every day, like that's a fact.
Speaker 2: So unless Tom was gonna sell his compound in Florida
Speaker 2: and South Florida and come to Vegas like it's great, Tom,
Speaker 2: you can text them all the time, It's not the
Speaker 2: same as you know, when John Elway ran the Broncos,
Speaker 2: he was there, So I I always thought that was
Speaker 2: a little weird. Now I understood Ben Johnson talking to
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's thirty eight years old. Tom Brady talking Tom
Speaker 2: Brady's like talking to football Jesus. So I would imagine
Speaker 2: he took him seriously. But you know, he just when
Speaker 2: you coach in a division, think out, well he knows
Speaker 2: the personnel on this team, and think how comfortably is
Speaker 2: too it? You know, he's been hesitant to take one
Speaker 2: of these jobs. Look at last year, I mean that
Speaker 2: Washington job was a pretty damn good opportunity and a
Speaker 2: lot of people thought about it. Obviously they exceeded expectations,
Speaker 2: but it's like, you got a young GM that knows
Speaker 2: what he's doing, you got the second overall pick, you
Speaker 2: got a new owner, and he's like, no, and don't
Speaker 2: I think he was unsure. Well, now he takes the
Speaker 2: Bears job, which I think we all agree is a
Speaker 2: little weird still with Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles. But
Speaker 2: he knows the Lions like the back of his hand,
Speaker 2: regardless whoever they hires a defensive coordinator. When Glenn leaves
Speaker 2: the Vikings and the Packers, he's been playing against for years,
Speaker 2: so he knows the players, he knows the coaches, and
Speaker 2: obviously he knows this team well. So I think there's
Speaker 2: a comfort level of just staying in the division for
Speaker 2: a young guy that's been hesitant. You know, some guys
Speaker 2: are just I want the job. I want the job.
Speaker 2: That Sean McVay, Kyle Shanning, they were just right. Josh
Speaker 2: McDaniels way back in the day. This guy really took
Speaker 2: his time, which is I would say rare in a
Speaker 2: profession that's full of like alpha ambition. There's just no
Speaker 2: holding it back, which I respect. But this is there's
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of This is a unique for
Speaker 2: you know, there would have been no pressure with the Raiders,
Speaker 2: right the first year or so. There's pressure here. You
Speaker 2: can't win five or six games and everyone's you don't
Speaker 2: have to win twelve, but you got to be in
Speaker 2: the wild card mix next year with this roster, don't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Let me push back on this.
Speaker 1: Here's what worries me about Ben Johnson. Number one. It's
Speaker 1: a big lift. It's a dysfunctional organization. Culture changers never
Speaker 1: whif they may not win Super Bowls. But the Pete Carroll's,
Speaker 1: the Mike Rabeles, the Jim Harbaughs, like Dan Campbell, they
Speaker 1: come in, they change the culture. You can eventually find
Speaker 1: good coordinators.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Coordinators, however, often miss badly. And there is a little
Speaker 1: think about coordinators who were highly recommended. Brady recommended Josh McDaniels,
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning heavily promoted Adam Gasee and they didn't work.
Speaker 1: Both were a little quirky. I mean Josh McDaniels was
Speaker 1: offered the colt's job, accepted, and then did a U
Speaker 1: turn and left it very quirky Ben Johnson mid flight,
Speaker 1: I don't want the job. Adam Gaze, Peyton Manning adored him,
Speaker 1: loved him, promoted him. Disaster weird press conference. Odd guy.
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is a little quirky. He's got a little
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze and a little Josh McDaniel. I know Josh,
Speaker 1: I like Josh. But when McVeigh got the job and
Speaker 1: you watched his first press conference, like, guys thought he
Speaker 1: was cool, women thought he was hot, Like it was.
Speaker 2: Like, whoa what are we watching this guy? McVeigh as
Speaker 2: a personality, not.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, And that's my things. A little quirky
Speaker 1: to him, a little odd to him. His personality. He's
Speaker 1: a little reticent, he's a little withdrawn. So I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he can't work, but I'm saying, if you told
Speaker 1: me he was going to be McVeigh or closer to
Speaker 1: Adam Gaze or Josh McDaniel, based on what I've seen
Speaker 1: of his personality, it's it's the latter two.
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, he's not McVeigh personality. You know Kyle
Speaker 2: can be a little weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah he can't.
Speaker 2: The difference though with Kyle is when the forty nine
Speaker 2: ers hired him seventeen, he had been a coordinator for
Speaker 2: going on close to ten years at multiple spots. He'd
Speaker 2: been in Cleveland, he'd been in Atlanta, he'd been with
Speaker 2: his dad, he'd been at Houston. So he had seen
Speaker 2: it all For a guy that was thirty seven, thirty
Speaker 2: eight years old, he was.
Speaker 1: And his dad was a legendary coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd been around football's whole life, but even just
Speaker 2: his own experience as a coordinator, four different teams, seen
Speaker 2: it all and got to go to a place that
Speaker 2: was a disaster. No expectations with John Lynch, who had
Speaker 2: been a GM. But anyone who's ever met John Lynch,
Speaker 2: he ain't gonna fail at anything. He's like a Steve Kerr,
Speaker 2: Like put him in a position it will succeed, and
Speaker 2: they got to ease into it. This is not that situation.
Speaker 2: I actually think he's I've been watching his press conference
Speaker 2: this year. I think he's kind of gained more confidence
Speaker 2: than himself. I think if you watched him in his
Speaker 2: first couple of years, he was kind of just kind
Speaker 2: of whispered. He was just not confident. I think he's
Speaker 2: definitely gained some confidence. But think about the two people
Speaker 2: running this organization now, a first time head coach who
Speaker 2: just for a couple of years was almost scared of
Speaker 2: taking that role, and a GM who's under forty and
Speaker 2: has felled at times to be a little over his head.
Speaker 2: Former offensive lineman, but he drashed like he's a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: It's a little bizarre in an organization that's not pretty dysfunctional.
Speaker 2: Say what you want about Dan Campbell, we're gonna learn
Speaker 2: a lot about him moving forward without the coordinators. Dan
Speaker 2: Campbell ain't scared of shit, Parcels Peyton. They want that
Speaker 2: guy right next to him, so he's Taylor made like
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell would walk right into the Bears and they
Speaker 2: would be better. This is everyone's gonna be looking at you,
Speaker 2: aring with the quarterback who's got some issues right now.
Speaker 2: And that's the elephant in the room too, because there's
Speaker 2: like the pressure of saving Caleb right. The added you know,
Speaker 2: gasoline on this fire is the Jaden Daniels phenomenon, right,
Speaker 2: So it's like that plays a part in it. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: the guy that we passed on is at Washington becoming
Speaker 2: one of the greatest players we've ever seen. And if
Speaker 2: Drake May starts to looking credible, these are the things
Speaker 2: that get it. It's a it's a very hard Now.
Speaker 2: I just read before we hopped on he got thirteen
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, so financially he's in a different stratosphere.
Speaker 2: He was already a multimillionaire, but now he gets a
Speaker 2: five year, thirteen million dollar contract. Dennis Allen, that's a
Speaker 2: good first hire a mature good defensive coordinators, Ben ahead coach,
Speaker 2: perfectly suited to be a number two. Like that's a
Speaker 2: high level higher Yes, and their defense is going to
Speaker 2: be good. But it's I say this all the time,
Speaker 2: like as an offensive coordinator, when someone gets a dui
Speaker 2: on defense, Ben Johnsons ever had to deal with that Detroit, Dan,
Speaker 2: did you know when the special teamer gets in a
Speaker 2: fight on the sideline, that's not Ben's problem? How would
Speaker 2: Jamison Williams gets in trouble? Dan and the GM deal
Speaker 2: with that. You just figure out who's next on the roster.
Speaker 2: All that stuff is now on your desk when you're
Speaker 2: used to just drawing the place it's a yeah, there's
Speaker 2: a lot on your plate being a head coach with
Speaker 2: stuff that has nothing to do with the game.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why one of the advantages McVeigh had
Speaker 1: not only is he a sharp guy, but Goff was
Speaker 1: low maintenance, Like GoF was just I mean, like one
Speaker 1: of the things that was really tough for Matt Lafleur
Speaker 1: first job. Aaron's not low maintenance. It makes it harder.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's when you start looking at this
Speaker 1: a guy like a Vrabel. You know, older coaches Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: they can deal sort of with with, you know, the
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback with an ego. But if you start looking around,
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this, Drake May quiet kid,
Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, quiet kid, Justin Herbert, quiet kid. You start
Speaker 1: looking around, He's got Josh Allen, total team guy.
Speaker 2: I think I bow Nicks and Panic's pretty low key guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Lamar Jackson is like, and you know something,
Speaker 1: Mahomes family maybe a little quirky. Mahomes is like a dude.
Speaker 1: You could go have beers with Mahomes tonight. One of
Speaker 1: the things you start looking at that. One of the
Speaker 1: criticisms of Caleb Wood. He's emotional, like he's got his stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that is true. I like him,
Speaker 1: but you start looking at it, you have poor owners, disconnected.
Speaker 1: Kevin Warren's political Ryan Pol's young Caleb is not Jaden
Speaker 1: Daniels the personality he is a He was the first
Speaker 1: nil star in Our Lives, the first five million dollar leader,
Speaker 1: anil star. And Chicago's got a very loud, fairly relentless media,
Speaker 1: which all the teams in Chicago stink. So they're just
Speaker 1: angry and tough. I think the Chicago job is hard.
Speaker 1: I think they should be happy they have Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: but I said he would have been my second choice.
Speaker 1: McCarthy has dealt with Jerry Aaron Rodgers, a meddling owner,
Speaker 1: no owner big brands. McCarthy was my choice, but I
Speaker 1: know he's not sexy, and I know Ben is, but
Speaker 1: McCarthy would not have failed. I could see Ben Johnson
Speaker 1: after about two years, going the hell did I get
Speaker 1: myself into?
Speaker 2: To me? I understand, if you're in the Bears, you
Speaker 2: have to take this swing because you're just hoping that
Speaker 2: this is some version of Lafleura. O'Connell McVeigh, Kyle if
Speaker 2: he's closer to Mike McDaniel. You're in trouble given your division,
Speaker 2: Like you gotta hope he's one of those four.
Speaker 1: There was another. Another quirky guy was Mike McDaniels. The
Speaker 1: media loved him. He was quirky. Quirky doesn't necessarily work
Speaker 1: in this league.
Speaker 2: I would say the one at least the way he coaches.
Speaker 2: He is a physical, like a run game oriented guy.
Speaker 2: The question is is that Dan forcing him to do
Speaker 2: that because of the personnel that he supplies them with,
Speaker 2: Because a lot of times, like I don't think Dan's
Speaker 2: calling double passes to Jamison Williams down ten, I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's inclined to do that. I have no
Speaker 2: problem with taking the swing. I always say this about
Speaker 2: a draft pick high, like take the guy with the traits,
Speaker 2: because if it does work out, you get Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: rather than thinking you can get a high floor guy
Speaker 2: like Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett. They are just as
Speaker 2: likely to bust, so you might as well swing for
Speaker 2: the fences. But like if you tell me, Pete Carroll
Speaker 2: gets the Raider job and Mike McCarthy gets the Jets job,
Speaker 2: Like we have a pretty good idea. Those guys just
Speaker 2: know what they're doing, and like you do have Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: So you could have made the argument of just hire
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy. He can get the train on the tracks
Speaker 2: and maybe within a year wins.
Speaker 1: That was my argument. Mike would get the train on
Speaker 1: the tracks. Guaranteed.
Speaker 2: This could be, you know, an eber Fluce version all
Speaker 2: over again. Could because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it will, but but I will say this,
Speaker 1: I do think there's a Gays Josh mcdan. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a feel that he's a little different personality wise.
Speaker 1: He's not corporate, He's kind of his own dude.
Speaker 2: I think the thing that makes me nervous is the
Speaker 2: alignment in the organization. You know, he's like he polls
Speaker 2: his polls, fighting for his job. You got Kevin Warren
Speaker 2: doing who knows what the stadium situations a big elephant
Speaker 2: in the room with the organization, like they haven't really
Speaker 2: made progress. They pulled out of the suburbs. You know
Speaker 2: that area better than me. I just read these articles,
Speaker 2: but that's kind of up in the air. You got
Speaker 2: Kevin Warren, who really likes to be involved in football,
Speaker 2: but when it goes bad, like he's not sitting there
Speaker 2: at the at the dais next to the coach. You
Speaker 2: just got a lot. You got an owner who did
Speaker 2: you see the reports today that he was very uncomfortable
Speaker 2: cutting these checks. It's like, guys, the going rate for
Speaker 2: these coaches is now ten to thirteen million dollars. You
Speaker 2: get four hundred and fifty million dollars from the league
Speaker 2: based on the media right steal this is this is
Speaker 2: not a fickle business. You're in these guaranteed contracts of
Speaker 2: billions of dollars. If you are worried over the difference
Speaker 2: of well, I'm used to paying guys seven or eight
Speaker 2: million dollars to now we have to pay a guy
Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen. That's hard to operate that way as
Speaker 2: an organization, it really is. And this team, the mccaskeys,
Speaker 2: their kids are running. It feel a little like they
Speaker 2: got no clue what they're doing. And the problem is
Speaker 2: they entrust you know, before it was Ted Phillips, now
Speaker 2: it's Kevin Warren. These people that play such a huge
Speaker 2: role because these guys aren't that comfortable in business besides
Speaker 2: just saying no. Like the one thing you get with
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft or you get with Jeffrey Lorie. They're very
Speaker 2: comfortable in a negotiation over billions of dollars or hundreds
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: I mean, Craft negotiates the TV deal for the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's like he's the go to owner.
Speaker 2: So some of these owners. And this is what I've
Speaker 2: always respected about Mark Davis. He doesn't have anywhere near
Speaker 2: the money the Bears have. He was cutting one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars. He was taking big swings on coaches because
Speaker 2: he knew if I get this right, we'll win. He
Speaker 2: just always gets it wrong. And this is like it
Speaker 2: feels like this is what the media pressured them to do,
Speaker 2: so they did it, and you can't no one's really
Speaker 2: gonna say anything negative, like we can nitpick them. But
Speaker 2: everyone wanted this guy. But in a couple of years,
Speaker 2: I just worry, you know, Caleb holding onto the ball.
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's a big believer. That's not a coachable attribute
Speaker 2: out of a player. You can improve we've seen now
Speaker 2: you can improve accuracy, but the holding onto the ball
Speaker 2: is a major concern. And you saw it with Sam
Speaker 2: Darnold like he's always had it. And then it kind
Speaker 2: of creep back up in the biggest moment. It's almost
Speaker 2: like a it's like a golf swing. You just muscle
Speaker 2: memory in a in a pressure pack spot. It's just
Speaker 2: something to keep an eye on. How did he coach
Speaker 2: Share Goff? Snap, get rid of the ball, Snap, get rid.
Speaker 3: Of the ball.
Speaker 2: They were not holding the ball along. That's not the way.
Speaker 2: That's not the offense he coached. So that's an interesting dynamic.
Speaker 2: The offense Caleb brand with Lincoln is a lot different
Speaker 2: than the offense I watched Ben Johnson coach with Jared Goff.
Speaker 1: No question, all right, we give you about thirty five minutes.
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff. Congrats to the Ohio State Buckeyes nil. Not
Speaker 1: in our league. I think the Big Ten going forward
Speaker 1: will be the programs and the conference of note. I
Speaker 1: think Texas and Georgia and LSU and Alabama will always
Speaker 1: be viable. But I think John and I have kind
Speaker 1: of believe this that these massive Big Ten universities and
Speaker 1: these boosters donors and these these these alumni bases in
Speaker 1: the Big Ten are affluent. They're all over the globe
Speaker 1: and they love their Big Ten sports.
Speaker 2: Sold would you include Notre Dame in that in that
Speaker 2: Big ten league.
Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame is going to end up in
Speaker 1: the Big ten. I think that, I really do. I
Speaker 1: think eventually, I think academically they match the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think eventually they go to like AFC, NFC, Right,
Speaker 2: the SEC, ACC kind of merge Notre Dame maybe a
Speaker 2: Stanford kind of merge in the Big ten and you
Speaker 2: get two major conferences and you play each other for
Speaker 2: the playoffs, super Bowl. I mean, isn't that where we're headed.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what the network you wanted, That's what That's
Speaker 1: what ESPN and Fox had in mind was, let let's
Speaker 1: make this more like the NFL. We pay the players,
Speaker 1: two major conferences. You can let a couple of schools
Speaker 1: in from the ACC and the Big twelve or a
Speaker 1: Mountain West. It was gonna be qualifiers negotiations. They're going
Speaker 1: to extend this to fourteen teams. My guess they're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna tweak it here very quickly. So fourteen teams
Speaker 1: will allow two accs and a couple of Big twelves
Speaker 1: or a Mountain West. You're gonna get people. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to run the table or be very very exceptional.
Speaker 1: I could see a Utah you know, it's a very
Speaker 1: proud program, Utah going like you know ten and one
Speaker 1: and getting in and Clemson, but that this is the
Speaker 1: future of college football. And you can complain all you want,
Speaker 1: you know, let me let me end it with this.
Speaker 1: So nobody wants in America and the last thing Trump
Speaker 1: followers want is socialism. But the NFL is pretty close
Speaker 1: to it. You know. There there's a salary cap. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're good, you draft later. They try to keep
Speaker 1: it even. And yet we've had back to back dynasties
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Patriots. The Dodgers have pulled away SEC and
Speaker 1: the Big ten, they'll pull away an individual sports tennis,
Speaker 1: you know, F one, you have dominance. We are so
Speaker 1: terrified of. I mean the NBA. I told Adam Sober
Speaker 1: this when I had him on you guys worry too
Speaker 1: much about dynasties. And my takeaway in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: you didn't have a dynasty, and it was the league
Speaker 1: was in trouble. The minute the eighties arrived in the
Speaker 1: nineties and you had dynasties, the ratings exploded. Is that
Speaker 1: there's about five percent of the world that's really great
Speaker 1: at what they do, either it's quarterbacks or college basketball coaches,
Speaker 1: and we're so terrified, Like everybody thought that expanding college
Speaker 1: football to more teams was more fair. No, it's really
Speaker 1: heightened what we already knew. There's about five brands annually
Speaker 1: with a chance, and we're just shifting from southern brands
Speaker 1: to northern brands. But in the end, this is really,
Speaker 1: if anything else it's been, it's really highlighted a truth
Speaker 1: because now we're seeing you know, these teams like SMU
Speaker 1: or a Boise State forced in the first round to
Speaker 1: play them and eventually on the road. So the gap
Speaker 1: now a lot of times you'd argue yourself into I
Speaker 1: think I think Hawaii. Remember that Hawaii team could play with.
Speaker 2: Georgia, and then they meet it, and then they meet.
Speaker 1: It and you're like, crap, well now we're going to
Speaker 1: get four of those a year. And so everybody is looking,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not a country. We don't even like
Speaker 1: the word socialism. NFL does the best job at it.
Speaker 1: Dynasties and greatness. There's just very few people, it could
Speaker 1: be Wall Street or Main Street that are great and
Speaker 1: you're seeing the chiefs, you know. I mean Buffalo and
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are going to be dominating the AFC until
Speaker 1: those two quarterbacks are out of their prime. And Ohio State,
Speaker 1: and I can tell you right now there's five college
Speaker 1: football programs. They're going to win a majority of the
Speaker 1: programs titles over the next ten years.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that Hawaii left tackle. I don't think
Speaker 2: he touched the Georgia pass rusher all night long. The
Speaker 2: guy was around him quarter I think it was cold.
Speaker 2: Brennan rip. You thought it was going to get murdered
Speaker 2: About a quarter in. You're like, he's going to get hurt.
Speaker 2: That was that? That looked like JV vers varsity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I like where we're at. But I'm
Speaker 1: never trying to talk myself into parody. It doesn't exist
Speaker 1: in any business I've ever been at. Hell podcasting started,
Speaker 1: and it was within three years of podcasting separation legalized
Speaker 1: gambling FANDUL DraftKings very quickly separated. It's just you know, AI,
Speaker 1: there's going to be four companies that control with the
Speaker 1: rest of our lives. So once you don't have, Once
Speaker 1: you don't try to talk yourself into the impossible ultimate parody,
Speaker 1: you'll be much happier and college football, it's still the
Speaker 1: big dogs. I don't think any now, nobody will go
Speaker 1: undefeated anymore. You're not gonna get sixteen to zero, forget it.
Speaker 1: But Ohio State is gonna win several matties over the
Speaker 1: last decade, over the next decade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it pains me to say, but they're definitely not
Speaker 2: gonna go away. I was thinking about today. This is
Speaker 2: the fourth time in five years that the Bills Josh
Speaker 2: Allen and Patrick Mahomes are meeting either in the second
Speaker 2: or the championship game. And the Eagles, who have been
Speaker 2: to the playoffs four straight years with Jalen, they're hosting
Speaker 2: their second NFC championship game in three years. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: the usual suspects here and the Washington came out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Truly remarkable. They might be here a lot if this
Speaker 2: guy is really this good, like they're going nowhere.
Speaker 1: Don middlcoff his podcast three and Out. Good talking to you, buddy,
Speaker 1: See you Colin The volume