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Speaker 1: Box all right, instant reaction. Well, favorites, big favorites generally

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Speaker 1: in these national championship games roll and after a great

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Speaker 1: opening drive by Notre Dame, they could never duplicate it.

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Speaker 1: And Ohio State NIL should stand for not in our league.

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Speaker 1: You can just you know, listen. The number that matters

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Speaker 1: now is sixty six thousand. That's how many kids go

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Speaker 1: to Ohio State. What does that matter? Because Big ten

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Speaker 1: graduates don't stay. Lots of them don't stand the midway.

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Speaker 1: Not enough jobs. They go to the coast. They go

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Speaker 1: make money and they pour it back into the school.

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Speaker 1: And so these gigantic Big ten schools, they're not holding

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Speaker 1: bake sales like Alabama and car washes like Auburn to

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Speaker 1: afford the NIL. I mean, they're fan bases. They've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of Ohio State grads. I know two of

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Speaker 1: them that are big funders of the NIL collective, and

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Speaker 1: you watch that offense, Sean, that offense is I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it just I mean, Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: Well, think about this, we get back to back years

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Speaker 2: Just full of NFL guys. When you look this year,

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Speaker 2: Penn State is in the final four, Texas is now

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Speaker 2: an SEC team, but come on, I mean, they've been

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Speaker 2: We know Oregon's not going away. I think when you

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Speaker 2: Saban's like two days later. I'm out. So I think

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Speaker 2: the lessen All these rulings are constantly coming out as

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Speaker 2: a fluid situation. But one thing we know, nuts is

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Speaker 2: ever going to go back to the way it was

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Speaker 2: more money, more funding, more cutting checks for these players,

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Speaker 2: and not just Ohio State. I would say the big

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Speaker 2: ten in general Michigan. When I lived in Philadelphia and

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Speaker 2: a pro city. They talked to a lot of Penn State.

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Speaker 2: Why a lot of graduates live in that area. A

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Speaker 2: lot of people went there and a lot of people

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Speaker 2: watched the game. So I'm with you. I think the

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Speaker 2: Big Ten have a huge advantage moving forward. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have a place in Naples, Flori. It's

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Speaker 1: My wife introduced me to it. It's all Big Ten

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Speaker 1: fans and it I mean, I believe me. It is Badger, Buckeye, Wolverine,

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Speaker 1: Those graduates make a lot of money. Because I've been

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Speaker 1: what they I think they call it the Riviera, the

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Speaker 1: But then you go down to Sarasota in Naples and

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Speaker 1: that's a different level of money, and that is Big

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Speaker 1: it's not. You and I talked about this Penn State.

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Speaker 1: Look at the size of these schools, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and the SEC schools like when Alabama is think about this.

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Speaker 1: Nick Saban is one of the smartest coaches ever. Look

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Speaker 1: Saban Is. He's literally made game day feel huge. And

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Speaker 1: Just how smart this guy is. The first year the

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Speaker 1: He sounded the alarms the first year and if Saban,

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Speaker 2: I think, listen, you and I and I turned into

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Speaker 2: And that's what this has turned into. It is strictly

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Speaker 2: paid to play. It's why I laugh, like forever. A

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Speaker 2: great recruiter Obviously to become a great recruiter, you had

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Speaker 2: Now there's we don't even you know, beat around the

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Speaker 1: Now Michigan States boosters. One of them is the guy

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Speaker 2: So it's like this, it is going to be they

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Speaker 2: Well now everyone knows that, but they can just cut

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Speaker 2: you mentioned Saban, I didn't know that he said that,

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Speaker 2: financially because that's the world we're in. Can you pay

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Speaker 2: the players or not the most? That's where they're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Go look at this. I was talking to UH during

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Speaker 1: going to be number one next year. Take quarterbacks out.

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Speaker 1: He goes, Caleb Downs is going to be number one

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Speaker 1: next year. He goes that kid would start for every

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Speaker 1: because it's a very weak draft, he said, if Jeremiah Smith,

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Speaker 2: You could argue, I mean, what's really going to separate?

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Speaker 2: what happened to Michigan this year? They finally won a

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Speaker 2: And listen, I started at Fresno State, that program wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Every school worth their salts in his DM saying hey,

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Speaker 2: What we saw last year with Austin Genty I don't

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Speaker 2: One day, I was at the gym, probably a couple

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Speaker 2: the world we're living in now, and it's really separating

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Speaker 2: Ole miss. This year they break the bank and then

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Speaker 2: they don't even make the playoffs. Are they less likely

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Speaker 2: to keep breaking the bank when you don't have results.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think this is coaches will get poached.

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Speaker 2: Good luck touching me, and you didn't. Well, we saw

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Speaker 2: they do have the talent in the region. But these

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Speaker 2: do you think Their parents and agents are clearly saying,

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Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, SEC fans can say what they want.

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Speaker 2: I would say this, if you've watched Chip Kelly since Oregon,

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Speaker 2: He's played. Really, he's made himself some money. I'm not

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Speaker 1: First, I think the kid at Syracuse Kyle McCord, and

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Speaker 2: I think I think McCord, if he has a good

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Speaker 1: don't like it at all. I will say this. About

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Speaker 1: a week ago, Caleb Williams said, I didn't think it

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Speaker 1: was subtle. I'd like an offensive coach. Remember he said,

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Speaker 1: I'd like a leader of men vague doesn't mean anything.

431
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Speaker 1: And then I'd like an offensive coach I could grow with.

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Speaker 1: That would be nice. And I think that was kind

433
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Speaker 1: of like, guys, I'm not going to demand anything. I'm

434
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Speaker 1: not going to be publicly difficult. Get me an offensive coach,

435
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Speaker 1: and that tells you. And this was what Brady said

436
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Speaker 1: about Belichick and the documentary. And I've heard enough of

437
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Speaker 1: Brady behind the scenes on Belichick saying, listen, Bill just

438
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Speaker 1: didn't even know our terminology. It's not a criticism of Bill.

439
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Speaker 1: They live in a different world. I mean, look at

440
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Speaker 1: Bill's offensive drafting, look at Tomlin's offensive lines and run game.

441
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: They just don't know. We talked about this yesterday. Demko

442
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: Ryans not calling a time out for Houston like defensive coach.

443
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,719
Speaker 1: It's a different language. And I I and I just

444
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Speaker 1: I think I think Ben Johnson will get the best

445
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Speaker 1: out of Caleb Williams. That may not be Jaden Daniels,

446
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Speaker 1: he may never throw like Michael Pennix, but I think

447
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Speaker 1: he'll get the best out of Caleb. And at this point,

448
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: if you can get him right and all of a sudden,

449
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Speaker 1: in three four years, you're working on a second contract

450
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Speaker 1: by Chicago Bear quarterback standards. John, that's a win.

451
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Speaker 2: Today is a day to celebrate if you're a Bears fan.

452
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Speaker 2: You got the guy that every one of these teams

453
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Speaker 2: with an opening would have hired. Maybe not counting the Cowboys,

454
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Speaker 2: not quite sure what's going on down there, but all

455
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Speaker 2: the other teams. The Raiders wanted him. He wouldn't interview

456
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Speaker 2: with the Jets. They'd hire him yesterday, obviously, the Jags

457
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Speaker 2: wanted him. That This is a I was thinking about

458
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Speaker 2: it today. You know, Sean McVeigh when he got hired

459
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Speaker 2: Andvian O'Connell weren't as famous definitely Sean as they've become.

460
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Speaker 2: And same with Kevin O'Connell. I would say, it's kind

461
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Speaker 2: of Josh McDaniels Kyle Shanahan. You know when when Mark

462
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Speaker 2: Davis hired Josh McDaniels, that was a pretty big deal.

463
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Speaker 2: Definitely when Ballor tried and when the Niners Yl hired

464
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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. This young guy dominating on offense. Felt like,

465
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Speaker 2: this guy's a star, and a lot of people were

466
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Speaker 2: interested in them. That's what they got today, and they

467
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Speaker 2: got they Essentially Tom Brady wanted someone and he chose

468
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Speaker 2: the Bears. Now I told you last night, even if

469
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Speaker 2: Tom Brady wants you and is a great salesman, and

470
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Speaker 2: you like Tom Brady, and I don't blame you, I'd

471
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Speaker 2: want to work with Tom Brady too. If I was

472
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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson. He doesn't live in Vegas, and you know

473
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Speaker 2: the partner that bought in from the VC firm, he's

474
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Speaker 2: in New York. You're still going into the building every day,

475
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Speaker 2: even if you get to hire your own GM and

476
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Speaker 2: Mark Davis is there every day, like that's a fact.

477
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Speaker 2: So unless Tom was gonna sell his compound in Florida

478
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Speaker 2: and South Florida and come to Vegas like it's great, Tom,

479
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Speaker 2: you can text them all the time, It's not the

480
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Speaker 2: same as you know, when John Elway ran the Broncos,

481
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Speaker 2: he was there, So I I always thought that was

482
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Speaker 2: a little weird. Now I understood Ben Johnson talking to

483
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Speaker 2: Ben Johnson's thirty eight years old. Tom Brady talking Tom

484
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: Brady's like talking to football Jesus. So I would imagine

485
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Speaker 2: he took him seriously. But you know, he just when

486
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Speaker 2: you coach in a division, think out, well he knows

487
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Speaker 2: the personnel on this team, and think how comfortably is

488
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Speaker 2: too it? You know, he's been hesitant to take one

489
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Speaker 2: of these jobs. Look at last year, I mean that

490
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 2: Washington job was a pretty damn good opportunity and a

491
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 2: lot of people thought about it. Obviously they exceeded expectations,

492
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: but it's like, you got a young GM that knows

493
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Speaker 2: what he's doing, you got the second overall pick, you

494
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: got a new owner, and he's like, no, and don't

495
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: I think he was unsure. Well, now he takes the

496
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Speaker 2: Bears job, which I think we all agree is a

497
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Speaker 2: little weird still with Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles. But

498
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: he knows the Lions like the back of his hand,

499
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Speaker 2: regardless whoever they hires a defensive coordinator. When Glenn leaves

500
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Speaker 2: the Vikings and the Packers, he's been playing against for years,

501
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: so he knows the players, he knows the coaches, and

502
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: obviously he knows this team well. So I think there's

503
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Speaker 2: a comfort level of just staying in the division for

504
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Speaker 2: a young guy that's been hesitant. You know, some guys

505
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 2: are just I want the job. I want the job.

506
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: That Sean McVay, Kyle Shanning, they were just right. Josh

507
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: McDaniels way back in the day. This guy really took

508
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Speaker 2: his time, which is I would say rare in a

509
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Speaker 2: profession that's full of like alpha ambition. There's just no

510
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: holding it back, which I respect. But this is there's

511
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Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of This is a unique for

512
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Speaker 2: you know, there would have been no pressure with the Raiders,

513
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Speaker 2: right the first year or so. There's pressure here. You

514
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 2: can't win five or six games and everyone's you don't

515
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: have to win twelve, but you got to be in

516
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Speaker 2: the wild card mix next year with this roster, don't you.

517
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. Let me push back on this.

518
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Speaker 1: Here's what worries me about Ben Johnson. Number one. It's

519
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: a big lift. It's a dysfunctional organization. Culture changers never

520
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: whif they may not win Super Bowls. But the Pete Carroll's,

521
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: the Mike Rabeles, the Jim Harbaughs, like Dan Campbell, they

522
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: come in, they change the culture. You can eventually find

523
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Speaker 1: good coordinators.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

525
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: Coordinators, however, often miss badly. And there is a little

526
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Speaker 1: think about coordinators who were highly recommended. Brady recommended Josh McDaniels,

527
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning heavily promoted Adam Gasee and they didn't work.

528
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: Both were a little quirky. I mean Josh McDaniels was

529
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Speaker 1: offered the colt's job, accepted, and then did a U

530
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Speaker 1: turn and left it very quirky Ben Johnson mid flight,

531
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Speaker 1: I don't want the job. Adam Gaze, Peyton Manning adored him,

532
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: loved him, promoted him. Disaster weird press conference. Odd guy.

533
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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson is a little quirky. He's got a little

534
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Speaker 1: Adam Gaze and a little Josh McDaniel. I know Josh,

535
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Speaker 1: I like Josh. But when McVeigh got the job and

536
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Speaker 1: you watched his first press conference, like, guys thought he

537
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: was cool, women thought he was hot, Like it was.

538
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Speaker 2: Like, whoa what are we watching this guy? McVeigh as

539
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Speaker 2: a personality, not.

540
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, And that's my things. A little quirky

541
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Speaker 1: to him, a little odd to him. His personality. He's

542
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Speaker 1: a little reticent, he's a little withdrawn. So I'm not

543
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Speaker 1: saying he can't work, but I'm saying, if you told

544
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Speaker 1: me he was going to be McVeigh or closer to

545
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Speaker 1: Adam Gaze or Josh McDaniel, based on what I've seen

546
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: of his personality, it's it's the latter two.

547
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. To me, he's not McVeigh personality. You know Kyle

548
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: can be a little weird.

549
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: Yeah he can't.

550
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Speaker 2: The difference though with Kyle is when the forty nine

551
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Speaker 2: ers hired him seventeen, he had been a coordinator for

552
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 2: going on close to ten years at multiple spots. He'd

553
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: been in Cleveland, he'd been in Atlanta, he'd been with

554
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: his dad, he'd been at Houston. So he had seen

555
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: it all For a guy that was thirty seven, thirty

556
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: eight years old, he was.

557
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: And his dad was a legendary coach.

558
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd been around football's whole life, but even just

559
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: his own experience as a coordinator, four different teams, seen

560
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 2: it all and got to go to a place that

561
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: was a disaster. No expectations with John Lynch, who had

562
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: been a GM. But anyone who's ever met John Lynch,

563
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: he ain't gonna fail at anything. He's like a Steve Kerr,

564
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: Like put him in a position it will succeed, and

565
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: they got to ease into it. This is not that situation.

566
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Speaker 2: I actually think he's I've been watching his press conference

567
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: this year. I think he's kind of gained more confidence

568
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: than himself. I think if you watched him in his

569
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: first couple of years, he was kind of just kind

570
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: of whispered. He was just not confident. I think he's

571
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 2: definitely gained some confidence. But think about the two people

572
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: running this organization now, a first time head coach who

573
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 2: just for a couple of years was almost scared of

574
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Speaker 2: taking that role, and a GM who's under forty and

575
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: has felled at times to be a little over his head.

576
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: Former offensive lineman, but he drashed like he's a wide receiver.

577
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: It's a little bizarre in an organization that's not pretty dysfunctional.

578
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Speaker 2: Say what you want about Dan Campbell, we're gonna learn

579
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 2: a lot about him moving forward without the coordinators. Dan

580
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: Campbell ain't scared of shit, Parcels Peyton. They want that

581
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: guy right next to him, so he's Taylor made like

582
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell would walk right into the Bears and they

583
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: would be better. This is everyone's gonna be looking at you,

584
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: aring with the quarterback who's got some issues right now.

585
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: And that's the elephant in the room too, because there's

586
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: like the pressure of saving Caleb right. The added you know,

587
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: gasoline on this fire is the Jaden Daniels phenomenon, right,

588
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: So it's like that plays a part in it. It's like, well,

589
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: the guy that we passed on is at Washington becoming

590
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,239
Speaker 2: one of the greatest players we've ever seen. And if

591
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: Drake May starts to looking credible, these are the things

592
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 2: that get it. It's a it's a very hard Now.

593
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Speaker 2: I just read before we hopped on he got thirteen

594
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, so financially he's in a different stratosphere.

595
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: He was already a multimillionaire, but now he gets a

596
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Speaker 2: five year, thirteen million dollar contract. Dennis Allen, that's a

597
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: good first hire a mature good defensive coordinators, Ben ahead coach,

598
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: perfectly suited to be a number two. Like that's a

599
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: high level higher Yes, and their defense is going to

600
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: be good. But it's I say this all the time,

601
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Speaker 2: like as an offensive coordinator, when someone gets a dui

602
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 2: on defense, Ben Johnsons ever had to deal with that Detroit, Dan,

603
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: did you know when the special teamer gets in a

604
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 2: fight on the sideline, that's not Ben's problem? How would

605
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: Jamison Williams gets in trouble? Dan and the GM deal

606
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: with that. You just figure out who's next on the roster.

607
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: All that stuff is now on your desk when you're

608
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: used to just drawing the place it's a yeah, there's

609
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: a lot on your plate being a head coach with

610
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: stuff that has nothing to do with the game.

611
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why one of the advantages McVeigh had

612
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: not only is he a sharp guy, but Goff was

613
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: low maintenance, Like GoF was just I mean, like one

614
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: of the things that was really tough for Matt Lafleur

615
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: first job. Aaron's not low maintenance. It makes it harder.

616
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: So you know, it's when you start looking at this

617
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: a guy like a Vrabel. You know, older coaches Harbaugh,

618
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: they can deal sort of with with, you know, the

619
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: veteran quarterback with an ego. But if you start looking around,

620
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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this, Drake May quiet kid,

621
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Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels, quiet kid, Justin Herbert, quiet kid. You start

622
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: looking around, He's got Josh Allen, total team guy.

623
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Speaker 2: I think I bow Nicks and Panic's pretty low key guys.

624
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Lamar Jackson is like, and you know something,

625
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: Mahomes family maybe a little quirky. Mahomes is like a dude.

626
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: You could go have beers with Mahomes tonight. One of

627
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: the things you start looking at that. One of the

628
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: criticisms of Caleb Wood. He's emotional, like he's got his stuff.

629
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Speaker 1: I don't know if that is true. I like him,

630
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 1: but you start looking at it, you have poor owners, disconnected.

631
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Speaker 1: Kevin Warren's political Ryan Pol's young Caleb is not Jaden

632
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: Daniels the personality he is a He was the first

633
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: nil star in Our Lives, the first five million dollar leader,

634
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: anil star. And Chicago's got a very loud, fairly relentless media,

635
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: which all the teams in Chicago stink. So they're just

636
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: angry and tough. I think the Chicago job is hard.

637
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: I think they should be happy they have Ben Johnson,

638
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Speaker 1: but I said he would have been my second choice.

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Speaker 1: McCarthy has dealt with Jerry Aaron Rodgers, a meddling owner,

640
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Speaker 1: no owner big brands. McCarthy was my choice, but I

641
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Speaker 1: know he's not sexy, and I know Ben is, but

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Speaker 1: McCarthy would not have failed. I could see Ben Johnson

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Speaker 1: after about two years, going the hell did I get

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Speaker 1: myself into?

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Speaker 2: To me? I understand, if you're in the Bears, you

646
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: have to take this swing because you're just hoping that

647
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Speaker 2: this is some version of Lafleura. O'Connell McVeigh, Kyle if

648
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: he's closer to Mike McDaniel. You're in trouble given your division,

649
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Speaker 2: Like you gotta hope he's one of those four.

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Speaker 1: There was another. Another quirky guy was Mike McDaniels. The

651
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Speaker 1: media loved him. He was quirky. Quirky doesn't necessarily work

652
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Speaker 1: in this league.

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Speaker 2: I would say the one at least the way he coaches.

654
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Speaker 2: He is a physical, like a run game oriented guy.

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Speaker 2: The question is is that Dan forcing him to do

656
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Speaker 2: that because of the personnel that he supplies them with,

657
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Speaker 2: Because a lot of times, like I don't think Dan's

658
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: calling double passes to Jamison Williams down ten, I don't

659
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Speaker 2: know if he's inclined to do that. I have no

660
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Speaker 2: problem with taking the swing. I always say this about

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Speaker 2: a draft pick high, like take the guy with the traits,

662
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Speaker 2: because if it does work out, you get Josh Allen,

663
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Speaker 2: rather than thinking you can get a high floor guy

664
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Speaker 2: like Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett. They are just as

665
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Speaker 2: likely to bust, so you might as well swing for

666
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Speaker 2: the fences. But like if you tell me, Pete Carroll

667
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Speaker 2: gets the Raider job and Mike McCarthy gets the Jets job,

668
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Speaker 2: Like we have a pretty good idea. Those guys just

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Speaker 2: know what they're doing, and like you do have Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: So you could have made the argument of just hire

671
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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy. He can get the train on the tracks

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Speaker 2: and maybe within a year wins.

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Speaker 1: That was my argument. Mike would get the train on

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Speaker 1: the tracks. Guaranteed.

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Speaker 2: This could be, you know, an eber Fluce version all

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Speaker 2: over again. Could because I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it will, but but I will say this,

678
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Speaker 1: I do think there's a Gays Josh mcdan. You know,

679
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Speaker 1: there's a feel that he's a little different personality wise.

680
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Speaker 1: He's not corporate, He's kind of his own dude.

681
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Speaker 2: I think the thing that makes me nervous is the

682
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: alignment in the organization. You know, he's like he polls

683
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: his polls, fighting for his job. You got Kevin Warren

684
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: doing who knows what the stadium situations a big elephant

685
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: in the room with the organization, like they haven't really

686
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: made progress. They pulled out of the suburbs. You know

687
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: that area better than me. I just read these articles,

688
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: but that's kind of up in the air. You got

689
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Speaker 2: Kevin Warren, who really likes to be involved in football,

690
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: but when it goes bad, like he's not sitting there

691
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: at the at the dais next to the coach. You

692
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 2: just got a lot. You got an owner who did

693
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Speaker 2: you see the reports today that he was very uncomfortable

694
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Speaker 2: cutting these checks. It's like, guys, the going rate for

695
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: these coaches is now ten to thirteen million dollars. You

696
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 2: get four hundred and fifty million dollars from the league

697
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: based on the media right steal this is this is

698
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: not a fickle business. You're in these guaranteed contracts of

699
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: billions of dollars. If you are worried over the difference

700
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Speaker 2: of well, I'm used to paying guys seven or eight

701
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Speaker 2: million dollars to now we have to pay a guy

702
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: twelve or thirteen. That's hard to operate that way as

703
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 2: an organization, it really is. And this team, the mccaskeys,

704
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: their kids are running. It feel a little like they

705
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: got no clue what they're doing. And the problem is

706
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: they entrust you know, before it was Ted Phillips, now

707
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Speaker 2: it's Kevin Warren. These people that play such a huge

708
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: role because these guys aren't that comfortable in business besides

709
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Speaker 2: just saying no. Like the one thing you get with

710
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft or you get with Jeffrey Lorie. They're very

711
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: comfortable in a negotiation over billions of dollars or hundreds

712
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Speaker 2: of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Craft negotiates the TV deal for the NFL.

714
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: He's like he's the go to owner.

715
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: So some of these owners. And this is what I've

716
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: always respected about Mark Davis. He doesn't have anywhere near

717
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: the money the Bears have. He was cutting one hundred

718
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: million dollars. He was taking big swings on coaches because

719
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: he knew if I get this right, we'll win. He

720
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: just always gets it wrong. And this is like it

721
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: feels like this is what the media pressured them to do,

722
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Speaker 2: so they did it, and you can't no one's really

723
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: gonna say anything negative, like we can nitpick them. But

724
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Speaker 2: everyone wanted this guy. But in a couple of years,

725
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Speaker 2: I just worry, you know, Caleb holding onto the ball.

726
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's a big believer. That's not a coachable attribute

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: out of a player. You can improve we've seen now

728
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: you can improve accuracy, but the holding onto the ball

729
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: is a major concern. And you saw it with Sam

730
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: Darnold like he's always had it. And then it kind

731
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: of creep back up in the biggest moment. It's almost

732
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: like a it's like a golf swing. You just muscle

733
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: memory in a in a pressure pack spot. It's just

734
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: something to keep an eye on. How did he coach

735
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: Share Goff? Snap, get rid of the ball, Snap, get rid.

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Speaker 3: Of the ball.

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Speaker 2: They were not holding the ball along. That's not the way.

738
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Speaker 2: That's not the offense he coached. So that's an interesting dynamic.

739
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 2: The offense Caleb brand with Lincoln is a lot different

740
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Speaker 2: than the offense I watched Ben Johnson coach with Jared Goff.

741
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Speaker 1: No question, all right, we give you about thirty five minutes.

742
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff. Congrats to the Ohio State Buckeyes nil. Not

743
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: in our league. I think the Big Ten going forward

744
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: will be the programs and the conference of note. I

745
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: think Texas and Georgia and LSU and Alabama will always

746
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: be viable. But I think John and I have kind

747
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: of believe this that these massive Big Ten universities and

748
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: these boosters donors and these these these alumni bases in

749
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: the Big Ten are affluent. They're all over the globe

750
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Speaker 1: and they love their Big Ten sports.

751
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: Sold would you include Notre Dame in that in that

752
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: Big ten league.

753
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: I think Notre Dame is going to end up in

754
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Speaker 1: the Big ten. I think that, I really do. I

755
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: think eventually, I think academically they match the Big Ten.

756
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think eventually they go to like AFC, NFC, Right,

757
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: the SEC, ACC kind of merge Notre Dame maybe a

758
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Stanford kind of merge in the Big ten and you

759
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: get two major conferences and you play each other for

760
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: the playoffs, super Bowl. I mean, isn't that where we're headed.

761
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's what the network you wanted, That's what That's

762
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: what ESPN and Fox had in mind was, let let's

763
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: make this more like the NFL. We pay the players,

764
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: two major conferences. You can let a couple of schools

765
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Speaker 1: in from the ACC and the Big twelve or a

766
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: Mountain West. It was gonna be qualifiers negotiations. They're going

767
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: to extend this to fourteen teams. My guess they're gonna

768
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna tweak it here very quickly. So fourteen teams

769
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: will allow two accs and a couple of Big twelves

770
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: or a Mountain West. You're gonna get people. You're gonna

771
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: have to run the table or be very very exceptional.

772
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: I could see a Utah you know, it's a very

773
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: proud program, Utah going like you know ten and one

774
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: and getting in and Clemson, but that this is the

775
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: future of college football. And you can complain all you want,

776
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, let me let me end it with this.

777
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: So nobody wants in America and the last thing Trump

778
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: followers want is socialism. But the NFL is pretty close

779
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: to it. You know. There there's a salary cap. You know,

780
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: if you're good, you draft later. They try to keep

781
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: it even. And yet we've had back to back dynasties

782
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: Chiefs and Patriots. The Dodgers have pulled away SEC and

783
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: the Big ten, they'll pull away an individual sports tennis,

784
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, F one, you have dominance. We are so

785
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 1: terrified of. I mean the NBA. I told Adam Sober

786
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: this when I had him on you guys worry too

787
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: much about dynasties. And my takeaway in the nineteen seventies,

788
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: you didn't have a dynasty, and it was the league

789
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: was in trouble. The minute the eighties arrived in the

790
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: nineties and you had dynasties, the ratings exploded. Is that

791
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 1: there's about five percent of the world that's really great

792
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: at what they do, either it's quarterbacks or college basketball coaches,

793
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: and we're so terrified, Like everybody thought that expanding college

794
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: football to more teams was more fair. No, it's really

795
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: heightened what we already knew. There's about five brands annually

796
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: with a chance, and we're just shifting from southern brands

797
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: to northern brands. But in the end, this is really,

798
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: if anything else it's been, it's really highlighted a truth

799
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: because now we're seeing you know, these teams like SMU

800
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: or a Boise State forced in the first round to

801
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: play them and eventually on the road. So the gap

802
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: now a lot of times you'd argue yourself into I

803
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: think I think Hawaii. Remember that Hawaii team could play with.

804
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 2: Georgia, and then they meet it, and then they meet.

805
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: It and you're like, crap, well now we're going to

806
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: get four of those a year. And so everybody is looking,

807
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, we're not a country. We don't even like

808
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: the word socialism. NFL does the best job at it.

809
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: Dynasties and greatness. There's just very few people, it could

810
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: be Wall Street or Main Street that are great and

811
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: you're seeing the chiefs, you know. I mean Buffalo and

812
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: the Chiefs are going to be dominating the AFC until

813
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: those two quarterbacks are out of their prime. And Ohio State,

814
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: and I can tell you right now there's five college

815
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: football programs. They're going to win a majority of the

816
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: programs titles over the next ten years.

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget that Hawaii left tackle. I don't think

818
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: he touched the Georgia pass rusher all night long. The

819
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 2: guy was around him quarter I think it was cold.

820
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: Brennan rip. You thought it was going to get murdered

821
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Speaker 2: About a quarter in. You're like, he's going to get hurt.

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Speaker 2: That was that? That looked like JV vers varsity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I like where we're at. But I'm

824
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: never trying to talk myself into parody. It doesn't exist

825
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: in any business I've ever been at. Hell podcasting started,

826
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Speaker 1: and it was within three years of podcasting separation legalized

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Speaker 1: gambling FANDUL DraftKings very quickly separated. It's just you know, AI,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be four companies that control with the

829
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Speaker 1: rest of our lives. So once you don't have, Once

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Speaker 1: you don't try to talk yourself into the impossible ultimate parody,

831
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Speaker 1: you'll be much happier and college football, it's still the

832
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: big dogs. I don't think any now, nobody will go

833
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: undefeated anymore. You're not gonna get sixteen to zero, forget it.

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Speaker 1: But Ohio State is gonna win several matties over the

835
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Speaker 1: last decade, over the next decade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it pains me to say, but they're definitely not

837
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: gonna go away. I was thinking about today. This is

838
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: the fourth time in five years that the Bills Josh

839
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: Allen and Patrick Mahomes are meeting either in the second

840
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 2: or the championship game. And the Eagles, who have been

841
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: to the playoffs four straight years with Jalen, they're hosting

842
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: their second NFC championship game in three years. So it's like, yeah,

843
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: the usual suspects here and the Washington came out of nowhere.

844
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Speaker 2: Truly remarkable. They might be here a lot if this

845
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Speaker 2: guy is really this good, like they're going nowhere.

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Speaker 1: Don middlcoff his podcast three and Out. Good talking to you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: See you Colin The volume