Speaker 1: My name is Clay Neukman.
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Speaker 1: As we explore.
Speaker 2: We have a very unique episode today. Well, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you what we gotta cover. There's some stuff we
Speaker 2: gotta cover. Okay, I'm gonna introduce my guests in just
Speaker 2: a minute, but we are going to be talking about
Speaker 2: the podcast so that we did with Evan Felker, did
Speaker 2: a whole bear Grease podcast on Evan Felker, And if
Speaker 2: you're if you're new to the bear Grease Render, which
Speaker 2: is what this is. This is where we talk about
Speaker 2: the documentary style bear Grease podcast. We're gonna talk something
Speaker 2: about Evan Felker and the episode we did with him,
Speaker 2: which I was it had such a good time doing.
Speaker 1: That's number one.
Speaker 2: Number two, we're gonna we are in a historic building
Speaker 2: right here, a very historic building. I'm not we're gonna
Speaker 2: go into it pretty quickly here, but we are in
Speaker 2: the log cabin that was used in Lonesome Dove. We're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about that. Number three. There's more, yes there, well,
Speaker 2: there's four.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: We're gonna introduce you to my good friend Justin House
Speaker 2: from Deep in the Heart of the Ozarks, Newton County,
Speaker 2: Newton County, YEP. So we're gonna introduce you to Justin
Speaker 2: he's never been on the podcast. And then we're gonna
Speaker 2: introduce you either one and only Marshall Bryant.
Speaker 1: Marshall is Oh my god. I don't even know where
Speaker 1: to start.
Speaker 2: I would if I were introduced to Marshall, I would say, Marshall,
Speaker 2: tell them what you haven't done. That's where I would start.
Speaker 2: That's where I started out. But then I've got Bear,
Speaker 2: John and Josh here, and we're.
Speaker 1: In New Mexico.
Speaker 3: We're in New Mexico.
Speaker 2: We are We're in New Mexico, Black Lake, New Mexico,
Speaker 2: Black Lake, New Mexico. Yeah, and we've been we're here
Speaker 2: bear hunting, bear hunting with hounds. We brought our mules
Speaker 2: all the way from Arkansas and we've been here two days. Well,
Speaker 2: we've hunted two and a half days and thunderstorms. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we had some challenges. I hadn't got a barry yet,
Speaker 2: got one day left. We just came out here for
Speaker 2: a quick trip. But it's been incredible. Had some incredible mule.
Speaker 3: Rides, amazing country, beautiful.
Speaker 2: Count Yeah, it's just incredible country.
Speaker 1: But Marshall, tell me about what this is. Where are
Speaker 1: we at?
Speaker 4: Well, we're on John and Charlotte Kimberland's ranch up here
Speaker 4: in Black Lake, New Mexico. And I run a ranch
Speaker 4: that we have this country, and I run a ranch
Speaker 4: down the road, and we're basically an l hunting operation,
Speaker 4: milldeer hunting operation and eye line hunt quite a bit,
Speaker 4: and we're trying to bear hunt.
Speaker 5: But yeah, just a really historical cool place.
Speaker 4: Like on Lonesome Dove when they get up to Montana,
Speaker 4: they come up over the hill with the herd of
Speaker 4: cattle and there's the cabin on the beautiful lake and stuff.
Speaker 5: That's the cabin we're in.
Speaker 1: This is it right here?
Speaker 5: This is it?
Speaker 2: So at what part in the movie do they make
Speaker 2: it to Montana? Like, hell, it's been a while. Me
Speaker 2: and bear this the other day, I didn't finish it.
Speaker 5: It's two thirds three quarters away through the movie probably.
Speaker 1: And so in the movie, there.
Speaker 2: It's confusing because in the movie they're in Montana, but
Speaker 2: actually it was shot in New Mexico and.
Speaker 1: This structure was built for that. Yeah, this was this
Speaker 1: was a movie prop.
Speaker 4: Right right, Yeah, and then the Kimberlands came in modeled it,
Speaker 4: so you know, people could come stay here experience the
Speaker 4: wrench kind of deal, and yeah, it's just an awesome place.
Speaker 5: Tons of history. This is old, the old hat Creek.
Speaker 4: Wrench that we're on, Okay, historically and it's just.
Speaker 1: Just a cool What year was all the Lonesome Dove
Speaker 1: stuff shot? Y'all know?
Speaker 3: Nineteen eighty five?
Speaker 5: I think, Jamie, can you pull that up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I tell you gonna be something I didn't have any
Speaker 4: I knew I wouldn't have an answer to it.
Speaker 1: Lonesome Dove. Okay, So you know what Del Brisbane.
Speaker 2: I was with Del Brisbee the other day and you're
Speaker 2: from from Texas bull Rider, Yeah yeah, and he gave
Speaker 2: me a hard time for not knowing a line from
Speaker 2: Lonesome Dove. He was he was making fun of my
Speaker 2: mule or something, and I just I want to dell
Speaker 2: if he's ever been here.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has.
Speaker 5: You know, he's welcome anytime. He's welcoming time.
Speaker 6: He don't don't invite Dann. He can't come here. He
Speaker 6: only lives twenty minutes down the road. And it's never
Speaker 6: invited me over there raising bucking horses, you know, in Texas,
Speaker 6: not here in.
Speaker 5: Texas, my place in Texas yet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh what year?
Speaker 7: So shot three?
Speaker 1: Four?
Speaker 7: Five years before that? Probably?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you were like what negative what You're born
Speaker 5: in ninety seven? Crazy? Wow?
Speaker 1: You were you?
Speaker 3: You weren't even if you listen to the podcast this week,
Speaker 3: you know that Clay has a fascination with knowing how old?
Speaker 7: Yeah I heard that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you should ask your buddies that you
Speaker 2: shouldn't ask your Yeah, Evan Felker didn't think.
Speaker 1: So you don't know.
Speaker 4: How old they are, how many cows they got, or
Speaker 4: how many acres they're on.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 2: Well now I know that about the cattle, but like age,
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem, so.
Speaker 5: I don't how old am I?
Speaker 1: Well already you already told me.
Speaker 8: Okay, but I'm afraid twenty nine, right, there's nineteen, there's
Speaker 8: nineteen forty one.
Speaker 3: Just a kid, just a pup.
Speaker 1: Well, Marshall has uh so you. You run this huge ranch.
Speaker 2: I mean this this is like, this is a big
Speaker 2: ranch and you I want to talk to you about
Speaker 2: several things.
Speaker 1: Well, shoot, how should we do this? We got so
Speaker 1: much good stuff.
Speaker 5: To talk about.
Speaker 2: It's a lot that I kind of want to jump
Speaker 2: in with him, but I'm afraid if we do, we'll
Speaker 2: never come back. We'll never get out. If there's one
Speaker 2: thing I've learned about Marshall, once, once you get in there.
Speaker 5: You're in there.
Speaker 2: You never come back out. Because he's so entertaining. He's
Speaker 2: talking about the podcast first. Then we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about the podcast first. You're gonna shil horses.
Speaker 5: I mean, why wouldn't you podcast about the podcast first?
Speaker 2: So we Uh No, I think it's fitting for us
Speaker 2: to do the do the Evan Felker thing here because
Speaker 2: you know, Evan lives in Oklahoma, got a cow ranch there.
Speaker 2: He's he's raising and training some really good performance horses.
Speaker 2: He's really trying to he's really trying to make some
Speaker 2: good horses out there, and I think they are. There's
Speaker 2: just something about a guy like Evan that is, uh,
Speaker 2: you expect something different, But by different, I mean you
Speaker 2: expect somebody to kind.
Speaker 1: Of be aware of, you know, being well.
Speaker 2: Known, having this great music, and Evan would just be
Speaker 2: a guy that would just kind of I mean, he's
Speaker 2: just a humble guy essentially, That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: He'd sit right in this room with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, humble guy and he uh and been through some
Speaker 2: hard times and not afraid to talk about it. When
Speaker 2: I first kind of reached out to him and I
Speaker 2: went through actually Steve Ranella, and I said, do you
Speaker 2: think Evan would talk to me about all that? And
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, yeah, he would, and he did.
Speaker 2: But I wanted to just ask you guys, so Bear,
Speaker 2: Justin and Josh all listen to it. Bear, what stood
Speaker 2: out to you?
Speaker 9: Well, I mean, like you already said it, definitely you
Speaker 9: could tell just by listening to him that he was
Speaker 9: just a real humble, down to earth guy. I mean,
Speaker 9: like he's had a lot of success in the country
Speaker 9: music world. But I thought it was really cool that
Speaker 9: he's still breaking horses and it's still like doing all
Speaker 9: the same stuff that he would have always done, Like
Speaker 9: he's not necessarily let it go to his head. But
Speaker 9: I thought I thought that the podcast was really cool
Speaker 9: because I listened to The Troubadors quite a bit, and
Speaker 9: it was pretty interesting to see his protest of songwriting
Speaker 9: just because it made sense, Like everything you were talking
Speaker 9: about is kind of the reason that I feel like
Speaker 9: a lot of people like The Troubadors, just because it's
Speaker 9: like really personal, like he puts in like these little
Speaker 9: details that are like like like a mid July white
Speaker 9: tail and velvet, you know, like everyone can imagine that scene.
Speaker 9: But yeah, I thought it was a really interesting podcast
Speaker 9: and an interesting look behind the scenes, you know.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's appropriate that this comes out this
Speaker 2: week because on social media there's been this big thing
Speaker 2: with Charlie Crockett, who's a country music guy, kind of
Speaker 2: an outsider, never really liked Nashville, and he took he
Speaker 2: took a shot at what he called bro country this week.
Speaker 1: I love it that I know this. Y'all should think
Speaker 1: I'm very cool.
Speaker 5: Because talking about that's the first bro.
Speaker 1: In on the country music drama.
Speaker 2: Because Charlie Crockett made a post, it's like maybe specifically
Speaker 2: calling out a couple of like bro country, which would
Speaker 2: be like kind of the Nashville radio country music guys.
Speaker 2: Maybe Yeah, I'm not even gonna say any names, and
Speaker 2: it was just this like firestorm and and well it
Speaker 2: was Adcock, a guy with the last name Adcockvin, Gavin Adcock.
Speaker 2: The kids are listening to him, and uh and Gavitt
Speaker 2: and Charlie Krockett and they got in this little internet
Speaker 2: spat and Charlie Crockett sent Gavin Adcock a dozen roses
Speaker 2: and uh and in the mail. And then Adcock gets
Speaker 2: on with a dozen roses and says, hey, thanks, Charlie,
Speaker 2: really appreciate the roses. Sorry that you had to go
Speaker 2: get a smaller venue because you couldn't sell tickets and
Speaker 2: we had it just it was like going back and forth.
Speaker 2: But the whole point of all that is that a
Speaker 2: guy like Kevin Helker is like he's just kind of unfazed.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of a real deal. Like you would
Speaker 2: never I don't think Evan's gonna let me down here.
Speaker 2: You would never hear Evan Felker in that scenario. Like
Speaker 2: he's just he's who he is. He kind of doesn't care.
Speaker 2: And uh, but he is not broke country. No, it's
Speaker 2: not broke country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's even it's even like his music is country,
Speaker 3: but it's different. Yeah, you know, I think I think
Speaker 3: you know, Bear was talking about there are people who
Speaker 3: can describe things very eloquently, and that's that's one thing.
Speaker 3: You know, you get people who write books and that
Speaker 3: kind of thing. I don't know. Evan has a has
Speaker 3: a way of describing something so well and putting a
Speaker 3: picture in your mind with a sentence where you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, just just all of a sudden and
Speaker 3: and not just paint the picture but associate feelings to it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's it's normal stuff.
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm trying to describe like something big.
Speaker 2: It's like square Harry on the Meadow, second cuting of
Speaker 2: the Year, Yep, It's like it's uh uh light enough
Speaker 2: still at the foot of the hill. We could kick
Speaker 2: up a single or two, you know, just like like
Speaker 2: every song has got just like some something that kind
Speaker 2: of paints.
Speaker 1: The picture for you. You like the Tributors, Oh yeah, Turnpike School. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know if those other two names go make
Speaker 5: it on my playlist, but there's a little turn.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Barry, did you think it was funny when I
Speaker 2: thought Evan Fucker's dad was dead and I was like
Speaker 2: going around there, Yeah, what did it come across as funny?
Speaker 2: Were you like, man, I got a cool dad. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was.
Speaker 2: He was just like, yeah, man, you know he's Yeah,
Speaker 2: he did Little Cowboy in some day working. He welds
Speaker 2: down there at Diverse City. I said, he's still alive. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's still alive.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well that's funny. Josh Watch said, what what
Speaker 1: you man?
Speaker 3: I love a good redemption story, you know. I think
Speaker 3: I think that the fact that he was able to
Speaker 3: go through that, you know, it sounds like he was confronted,
Speaker 3: got the help that he needed, but he wasn't defined
Speaker 3: by that, and I think he's I think he's learned
Speaker 3: how to live his life with that being in the past,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and not carry it with him.
Speaker 3: And you can tell, you know, you can tell the
Speaker 3: things that are valuable to him now is you know,
Speaker 3: his family, his his music is valuable. And I also
Speaker 3: I was actually kind of impressed by the way that
Speaker 3: he addressed the crowd during the during the live session. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was very personal, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 3: you could you could see the gratitude that he had
Speaker 3: for people who listen to his music, and I you know,
Speaker 3: I've been to I've been to concerts and stuff where
Speaker 3: where the guy singing couldn't care less about the people
Speaker 3: in the audience, and he just seemed to have just
Speaker 3: a real appreciation for liking his music, you know, And
Speaker 3: I think that's I think that's a pretty cool thing.
Speaker 3: I like people who who recognize that it's not just them,
Speaker 3: you know. So anyways, I was I was really impacted
Speaker 3: just about the story of him.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: I liked what he said he said, you know, he's like,
Speaker 3: he's like, well, you know, that's fine for some people,
Speaker 3: but I can't do it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: that's that's not you know, and you can tell but
Speaker 3: with the resolve in his voice that they'll never touch
Speaker 3: it again because he recognizes it destroyed his life and
Speaker 3: he had it. Sounds like he had a window of
Speaker 3: opportunity and he took that window of opportunity and all
Speaker 3: those things that he had lost he got back. And
Speaker 3: that that means something to me.
Speaker 1: M M, what about you? Justin let's sit out.
Speaker 7: I thought he was really good, just the fact that
Speaker 7: he came from small town, Oklahoma, and I think that's
Speaker 7: a lot of the reason he is the way he is.
Speaker 7: He's just an old country boy that grew up like that.
Speaker 7: He I don't think he set out to be what
Speaker 7: he is as far as the fame goes. But but
Speaker 7: he got that and he never he never drifted into
Speaker 7: I'm too good to be here in Oklahoma anymore. I'm
Speaker 7: still still this guy that wants to run a ranch,
Speaker 7: ride horses. I think it keeps him humble. It's really
Speaker 7: good to see him be able to confront and talk
Speaker 7: about the situation that he had. It takes takes a lot,
Speaker 7: especially when you've got a spotlight on you like that.
Speaker 7: To be able to talk about that publicly, I think
Speaker 7: it was great. I was a little bit disappointed how
Speaker 7: he responded when you asked him about the alcohol, like
Speaker 7: with his kids, and when he talks about how much
Speaker 7: better his life is now that he's not a part
Speaker 7: of it, he talks about how much more productive he is.
Speaker 7: I mean, I just feel like he might have a
Speaker 7: little more to say to his kids and to his friends.
Speaker 7: But I understand too, uh the world that he's in. Yeah,
Speaker 7: espersonal choice.
Speaker 1: We talked about it.
Speaker 2: I might have been a little surprised at what he
Speaker 2: said to just because I you know, he was an
Speaker 2: alcoholic and it kind of wrecked his life, you know.
Speaker 2: And I said, what would you how do you think
Speaker 2: you'll talk to your kids about alcohol and stuff?
Speaker 1: And I was, I was, it was.
Speaker 2: It was an interesting answer he had, because I think
Speaker 2: I would have thought he would have been, like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to tell my kids never to even.
Speaker 1: Touch this thing.
Speaker 7: That's the thought I had, you know.
Speaker 2: And uh, yet I mean he has a I mean,
Speaker 2: what you tell somebody and what you do with your
Speaker 2: life is it's more important what you do.
Speaker 1: So his kids are going to watch him grow up
Speaker 1: and not drink, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, so even what he tells him, I mean
Speaker 2: he's now, you know, I mean, he's going to be
Speaker 2: living by example. But yeah, I was, I was kind
Speaker 2: of I just wanted to see what he thought about it,
Speaker 2: you know, because I grew up in a world that
Speaker 2: was very, very conservative with alcohol. Just like, this stuff's dangerous,
Speaker 2: man wreck your life. I mean to the point that
Speaker 2: some of it was kind of fear mongering, and but
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's I mean, the stuff's wrecked
Speaker 2: a lot of people's lives, So you can't mess around
Speaker 2: with it total.
Speaker 5: Just happened to be. But I literally lost my best
Speaker 5: friend last year that dealt with alcoholism and stuff, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a dangerous drug man. Yeah, it's I've
Speaker 4: just never been a big drinker, but you know, he did.
Speaker 4: We were best friends for a long time, but just
Speaker 4: it always come back to him, Yeah, always come back
Speaker 4: for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well it was. It was really interesting to
Speaker 2: hear hear his songs and he sings about it too.
Speaker 2: One of the funniest things I ever heard. That on
Speaker 2: turn Practure Door social media when the song on the
Speaker 2: Red River came out with this new album, right, one
Speaker 2: of their songs went pretty high in the country chart
Speaker 2: or something, and and Turned by True Doors posted a
Speaker 2: screen clip of their text thread like on the band
Speaker 2: and and somebody said, hey, on the Red Rivers showing
Speaker 2: up on the country charts at whatever number. And Evan
Speaker 2: Felker writes back, and he says, nothing says hot country
Speaker 2: like obscure dog breeds and generational.
Speaker 1: Alcoholists us show.
Speaker 2: That's funny because he you know, again going back to
Speaker 2: the specificity inside a songwriting, and he talked about the
Speaker 2: cattle dogs that he has and he has a bunch
Speaker 2: of cattle dogs. I didn't really get a chance. I
Speaker 2: talked to him a lot about his cattle dogs he's got.
Speaker 2: He's got a yard full of bird dogs and cattle
Speaker 2: dogs and he works those cattle dogs. Dogs are like quills, yeah,
Speaker 2: quell dogs and shoot retrieving dogs like duck dogs. And
Speaker 2: uh but he's got a uh, hanging tree cattle dogs
Speaker 2: that many they worked. They had one Border Collie, but
Speaker 2: one hanging tree dog, which was neat. You have you
Speaker 2: ever heard of hang you know, hanging tree dogs.
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were cool.
Speaker 3: But what's what's hanging tree dog?
Speaker 2: It's it's a breed of cattle dog. What does it
Speaker 2: look like? I mean, to me, it looked like a cur.
Speaker 4: You know, I believe, and don't quote me on this.
Speaker 4: I've had a few hanging tree dogs. I was never
Speaker 4: that much fan of them because they didn't have enough
Speaker 4: bite for me. But uh, I believe it's like a
Speaker 4: border Collie.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: I believe it's a border Collie, a healer and maybe
Speaker 4: like some kelpie.
Speaker 5: Or something in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kelpie.
Speaker 5: I want to say it's it's it's crossed up cow breeds.
Speaker 4: Basically, a guy came up with and Uh, I've seen
Speaker 4: some guys with some great ones.
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure. Yeah, I just I never got into him.
Speaker 2: But you you've caught wild cattle and though that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, and I preferred I've always preferred cata hulas.
Speaker 5: And part of that.
Speaker 4: Is, probably, like he said, just my demographic. I just
Speaker 4: I've always loved leopard dogs, from hog dogs to blood
Speaker 4: dogs to everything. I just I always had luck with catahulas.
Speaker 4: I always got a lot more handle out of them
Speaker 4: than like a black mouth curve. Black Mouth curves are
Speaker 4: awesome dogs a lot of guys, but I found black
Speaker 4: mouths to be like coyotes trying to catch him and
Speaker 4: handle him and actually get a handle on them. I
Speaker 4: always preferred catahulas because I could, I could move him around.
Speaker 4: You know, I had a good handle on them.
Speaker 2: Now, tell me about the situation where you'd be catching
Speaker 2: wild cattle, like something like a big ranch. What does
Speaker 2: cattle get loose and they hire you and your dogs
Speaker 2: to come in there and catch them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I did some contracts for like a
Speaker 4: I did one for like a municipality that a guy
Speaker 4: had a bunch of cattle on a place. He had
Speaker 4: like seven seven thousand acres almost he sold the place.
Speaker 4: Fences were trash, his cattle, just he left him there
Speaker 4: for the owner. They'd gotten out, getting in corn fields,
Speaker 4: getting in wheat fields, destroying crops.
Speaker 5: And the people had already paid that. I think they'd
Speaker 5: find the guy like one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 5: for crop damages for these cattle. So basically they came
Speaker 5: in and we're like, hey, we're either hiring somebody to
Speaker 5: remove these cattle and you get nothing, or you can
Speaker 5: hire this guy and he's gonna catch him. He's gonna
Speaker 5: haul them to market and he gets half.
Speaker 2: So like that's the that's the deal with a guy
Speaker 2: catching cattle as you get half the.
Speaker 4: YEA, if I'm gonna go clean a place off, and
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, there's a lot of guys go
Speaker 4: do it for two hundred dollars a day and that's cool.
Speaker 4: But if I'm gonna go on a clean up job
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna have to bay cattle up, dart them,
Speaker 4: lead them out, maybe winch them in the trailer, you know,
Speaker 4: sometimes we have to go dartom in helicopter, that gunam
Speaker 4: in helicopter. Like there's cost in that. So I can't
Speaker 4: do it for two hundred dollars a day. So that's
Speaker 4: if I go catch wild cattle, I do it on
Speaker 4: the halves.
Speaker 5: I catch it if you have to hire me to
Speaker 5: catch it or some guy by no means in my
Speaker 5: top hand or nothing.
Speaker 1: But if you got a hat those super puncher.
Speaker 5: I'm not a super puncher man. I ain't got the
Speaker 5: big buckle or nothing else.
Speaker 1: But you had a pretty big buckle. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: Uh, but no that you know that that's kind of
Speaker 5: the rule of thumb.
Speaker 4: Like if it's so bad that you just want it gone,
Speaker 4: it shouldn't be a problem to pay me half, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean just the drugs. Dark cattle are expensive, the
Speaker 5: darts are expensive, the man powers exposed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's super dangerous and you gotta be highly skilled.
Speaker 2: I mean to me, that's what comes.
Speaker 5: Top Well, and think you've seen the horses we ride.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we show up with some horsepower, you know,
Speaker 4: and go out there and do the deal we gotta do.
Speaker 4: And I mean a mediocre horses is ten thousand dollars
Speaker 4: now in the in the in the ranching in rodeo
Speaker 4: world for a good, a good like solid ranch horse.
Speaker 4: You know that you can go do that stuff on
Speaker 4: and not run into problems. But and you look at
Speaker 4: guys like Derek mcgay and stuff that are going out
Speaker 4: there and catching wild cattle on reservation land and public
Speaker 4: land and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's one hundred percent pay right there. I
Speaker 5: get to keep them like, that's a sweet trip.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, okay, so we started in on wild
Speaker 2: cattle with you. But if you met somebody in the
Speaker 2: store and they said, young man, what do.
Speaker 1: You do for a living? What would you tell them?
Speaker 5: I tell him I'm a massive jack of all trades
Speaker 5: and a master of dun But what what?
Speaker 2: What describe your career path that got you to where
Speaker 2: you're at?
Speaker 1: Just like quickly? I mean you don't.
Speaker 4: I mean I've rodeoed my whole life roped. I fought
Speaker 4: bulls for a long time. Uh. The three things I'm
Speaker 4: most passionate about is hounds, picking up brons, and bucking horses.
Speaker 4: And uh, I mean, I don't know what the third
Speaker 4: one would be. Maybe I should have said my top two. Well,
Speaker 4: helicopters would be my third one. I love helicopter capture work.
Speaker 1: What are those streets hold on? What were the three.
Speaker 5: Hound, probably hounds, horses, helic copters.
Speaker 1: Hound.
Speaker 2: That sounds like what like my buddy's like three year
Speaker 2: old son is really pumped about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hounds, horses, and helicopter.
Speaker 3: That's going to be the name of his memoirs.
Speaker 2: Now, that's that's super interesting. Tell me how now, what
Speaker 2: are you doing with helicopters?
Speaker 5: Well, the helicopter deal started.
Speaker 4: You know, I've been gutting all kinds of whitetail hunts,
Speaker 4: turkey hunts, bird hunts, duck hunts. I had a bow
Speaker 4: fishing guide business for a long time with their boats,
Speaker 4: and uh I was literally on a on a ranch
Speaker 4: one day catching cattle and that helicopter pilot said, hey, man,
Speaker 4: like you you think you you know, you think you'd
Speaker 4: want to catch deer with us, And I instantly I'm
Speaker 4: all in, you know, let's do it. And uh So
Speaker 4: I went on a few catch jobs with a with
Speaker 4: a capture team and man, it's been a pretty cool experience.
Speaker 5: So big horn, sheep, mule deer, whitetail deer.
Speaker 1: Who are you working for when you're doing that?
Speaker 5: You know? I worked kind of for like three or
Speaker 5: four different companies.
Speaker 4: Uh, there's Bob McCoy. He's down in Santa Fe, Texas, and.
Speaker 2: These are these are companies that are like wildlife well
Speaker 2: like so like specialize in capturing and release.
Speaker 5: So Bob's like lots of helicopters.
Speaker 4: He flies guys from his own airport offshore to the
Speaker 4: offshore drilling rigs and he halts those guys back and forth.
Speaker 4: And uh, he's got some like MT. Five hundred helicopters
Speaker 4: and stuff that are you know what, what you use
Speaker 4: for capture work. So he gets government capture contracts.
Speaker 2: So okay, that's it. That's what I'm looking for. Government
Speaker 2: capture contract Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like you know, we uh we went and call her
Speaker 4: a bunch of big horn sheep in Washington State and
Speaker 4: uh and just all along the Columbia River.
Speaker 2: There and you were you told he told me he
Speaker 2: was he was mugging big horn sheep. Oh yeah, tell
Speaker 2: us what that means.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: So basically we would fly around, we'd find big horn
Speaker 4: sheep that fit the profile with the biologists wanted us
Speaker 4: to call, and then we kind of push those sheep
Speaker 4: away to an area where it's just safe for us
Speaker 4: to get out because obviously it's a rough, rough terrain
Speaker 4: and we'd single that sheep out, shoot it with a
Speaker 4: net gun, get a net over it, just to kind
Speaker 4: of slow it down and get as close as we can.
Speaker 4: Hop out, tie it, take the net off, put the
Speaker 4: collar on.
Speaker 2: We'd get a hair mug, and it means you're just
Speaker 2: just get on there. Yeah, you just man this big
Speaker 2: orn show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and get you a blood sample, hair sample.
Speaker 5: You measure some different glands and some different measurements, and.
Speaker 4: Then we swab them for pneumonia. And basically the callers
Speaker 4: have a big number on them. So if we go
Speaker 4: back and say pneumonia is really affecting you know that
Speaker 4: that specific herd of sheep, then they'll come back in
Speaker 4: there and cull those sheep that come back positive for
Speaker 4: that pnemonia. So basically, grab it, tie it, take the
Speaker 4: net off, do your whole work up on it, let
Speaker 4: it back up.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many how many times have you done
Speaker 1: work like that?
Speaker 4: I want to say that job we call it, I
Speaker 4: think we call Heed one hundred and fifty big horn
Speaker 4: up there, something like that, and uh, it was one
Speaker 4: hundred and something. Mule deer also on that project. We
Speaker 4: were up there for about a month. We had a
Speaker 4: lot of bad weather days.
Speaker 5: Usually it's just boom boom boom, fifty headed day or more.
Speaker 5: I mean catching white tail and stuff and exotics in Texas,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean that we have one hundred animal days,
Speaker 5: you know, and there's guys that do more than that.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: So helicopter work, yeah, you don't fly helicopters.
Speaker 2: Now you've you've with wildlife and now but you specialize
Speaker 2: in wildlife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are a wildlife.
Speaker 2: Manager that has managed a bunch of different ranches, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: And that's how why you're managing this ranch out here.
Speaker 1: Yes sir, Yes, sir, this is this is too confusing.
Speaker 2: This is gonna have to be a three part past
Speaker 2: year on Marshall because we hadn't even got into the
Speaker 2: Yellowstone thing.
Speaker 1: Yeh, we got We've got a lot of ground to cover, folks.
Speaker 2: Uh okay, but you you did uh wildlife management for
Speaker 2: a bunch of ranches.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, Yes, sir. I'd come in.
Speaker 4: Some ranches would just have me come in and something
Speaker 4: as simple as predator trap or call some stuff that
Speaker 4: they needed to get rid of or capture it and
Speaker 4: sell it to another ranch or whatever. I'd buy those animals,
Speaker 4: mark them up sell them, just like any product, you know.
Speaker 4: And uh so I did a lot of that, so
Speaker 4: all in Texas, Yeah, all in Texas, and some stuff
Speaker 4: in Oklahoma too, and uh you know that they'd call
Speaker 4: me in sometimes I'd just go to a high fence
Speaker 4: ranch that was things just weren't working for them. They
Speaker 4: didn't have the right management in place, didn't have the
Speaker 4: animals that they needed to have in that business. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of ranch managers where ranches have these assets,
Speaker 4: these animals, and for some crazy reason, these animals seem
Speaker 4: to leave the ranch in coolers, but the ranch doesn't
Speaker 4: get paid for it, which really cuts into profits. So
Speaker 4: you get a lot of guys that their business is
Speaker 4: just not being run properly. And I could come in
Speaker 4: there and figure out what the problem was, figure out
Speaker 4: why they're not making money, kind of get them going
Speaker 4: in the right direction, find them, you know, a little
Speaker 4: bit of clientele, find them the right guy to guide
Speaker 4: and and then just kind of step away from it
Speaker 4: and sell them animals.
Speaker 1: You know, Texas is a wild place.
Speaker 2: Texas is a wild place, okay, So, but a lot
Speaker 2: of your career has revolved around wildlife management, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: So you did outfit you did.
Speaker 2: You've done a lot of outfitting, yes, sir, but you've
Speaker 2: also done like held contract helicopter work, you know which,
Speaker 2: and then managing these ranches, which is what you're doing today.
Speaker 1: That's the reason we know you.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir and uh. And this is hands down the
Speaker 5: best job yet.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's managing this place.
Speaker 4: The kim Brose, the family that I worked for, Tim
Speaker 4: and Kim easy to remember, but it's it's t k
Speaker 4: landing cattle and they're just the nicest people in the world.
Speaker 4: And just their dream of what's going on here is
Speaker 4: like every outdoorsman's dream.
Speaker 5: So it's just it's so cool to work for somebody
Speaker 5: that's like got the same goals in mind. Is like,
Speaker 5: you can't. There's no goal you can come up with
Speaker 5: different than theirs that you're gonna like better. Like it's
Speaker 5: just kind of the perfect plan. You know.
Speaker 4: We're starting a horse program, starting a cattle program. It's
Speaker 4: all coming from scratch. This will be the first full
Speaker 4: elk season here for us. It'll be first mill deer
Speaker 4: season here for us. We might be the first people
Speaker 4: running hounds on this place in a decade, you know, And.
Speaker 2: It's just you're not guiding us out here. We we
Speaker 2: just came, we brought some dogs. We've been just hunting
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, this is just friends having a good time.
Speaker 4: And that's what they're about, you know, Like we're not
Speaker 4: a big commercial hunting operation. You're not going to see
Speaker 4: us trying to sell hunts all the time anything like that.
Speaker 4: Like it's a friend's family business kind of deal. And
Speaker 4: you know, y'all are friends now you come hunt, you know,
Speaker 4: it's just kind of how it goes. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 4: uh so it's really cool for like always in the
Speaker 4: hunting industry, for me, it was wake up every morning
Speaker 4: and hustle, hustle, hustle, just to make sure you had
Speaker 4: a trip that week, right, Like there was there was
Speaker 4: weeks bowfishing where you blow the motor in the airboat
Speaker 4: and it's like you'll almost go stand on the corner
Speaker 4: with a cardboard sign trying to sell some bowfishing trips
Speaker 4: to get that.
Speaker 2: Would you tell me you you you had one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty six days you got it?
Speaker 5: I did. I had a one year. I did one
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty six bow fishing trips in a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is.
Speaker 5: Now, which is a lot.
Speaker 2: There's so many different different things. Just been here with
Speaker 2: you for a couple of days that I've learned about
Speaker 2: you tell us about working on the set of Yellowstone.
Speaker 5: Uh, Yellowstone was super cool, Like like what did you do?
Speaker 1: What did you do?
Speaker 4: I just kind of had like a wildlife position with
Speaker 4: them where it was cool. I'd get to go scout
Speaker 4: ranches and find like places for scenes for them working
Speaker 4: for locations. This got Dustin Daniels and will Anks. They
Speaker 4: were super cool, and so I did a lot of
Speaker 4: like ranch scouting for them. And they'd be like, Hey,
Speaker 4: we need a river crossing that's this deep, this wide,
Speaker 4: we need thirty horses to be able to cross it.
Speaker 4: We need a sandbank on the other side to slide down.
Speaker 5: And I would go look on these ranches and be
Speaker 5: like what about this spot? You know? Yeah, And it
Speaker 5: was just really cool.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 5: Before they'd ride horses through pastors or gather cattle, I'd
Speaker 5: go out their horseback and make sure there was no
Speaker 5: like hazards or snakes. You know, a big part of
Speaker 5: what I did there was snake wrangling. Man's crazy. We
Speaker 5: caught a lot of rattlesnakes, a lot of copperheads.
Speaker 2: So when you caught a rattlesnake, yep, it had to
Speaker 2: be by the book of the book.
Speaker 4: We would catch the rattlesnake, we'd put the rattlesnake in
Speaker 4: a good safe that met their requirements, and then we
Speaker 4: would film and stuff, and then we would take that
Speaker 4: snake and put it exactly back where we found it.
Speaker 4: One thing I will say about that whole production, The
Speaker 4: movie business is not for me. I won't be doing
Speaker 4: it again. Way too many people for me. But I
Speaker 4: was blown away by how respectful they were to the
Speaker 4: land and to animals, real stuff. Yeah, they really were, man,
Speaker 4: I mean, and I mean some of the stuff I
Speaker 4: did was stupid.
Speaker 5: You know, Hey, we're gonna use this old building, but
Speaker 5: there's a skunk that lives there. We need to trap
Speaker 5: that skunk. You know, we're put it right back. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's never been in my rollerdex to go ahead at
Speaker 5: least the skunk, you know what I mean. I gotta
Speaker 5: do what.
Speaker 4: So like you know, and nuisance trapping and stuff, it's
Speaker 4: like you just eliminate it, you know. But I was
Speaker 4: blown away by how much care they actually had on
Speaker 4: that stuff, like, and it was a cool group of people.
Speaker 4: It really was a cool The coolest thing about it,
Speaker 4: I want to say. The crew was three hundred people
Speaker 4: plus every day, like it was insane, and every person
Speaker 4: knew your name. It seemed like every person come over there,
Speaker 4: have coffee with you. I mean even Tim McGraw, Sam Elliott,
Speaker 4: faith Hill. I mean they just all just hey, how's
Speaker 4: your morning going. You know, just the kindest people in
Speaker 4: the world. And I never saw an argument Yellowstone eighteen
Speaker 4: eighty three, Bass Reeves, Like, I never saw.
Speaker 5: It fall apart.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 4: It was pretty impressive to see that many people from
Speaker 4: that many different walks of life and that many different
Speaker 4: There was everything you could imagine works there, buddy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it was just never a big nothing was ever.
Speaker 4: There was just no big confrontations, no big nothing like.
Speaker 4: It was pretty incredible. Just how grease that wheel was.
Speaker 4: I mean it really went well. So yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 4: I did it for a while and I just got
Speaker 4: burned out. It was seven days a week, fourteen fifteen,
Speaker 4: sixteen hours a day, lots of time just sitting in
Speaker 4: the truck, waiting on the next thing, waiting on the
Speaker 4: next thing, and my add just.
Speaker 5: Runs rampant sitting in the pickup. Man, you tell me
Speaker 5: you're gonna pay me to catch snakes, I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: catch some steaks, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I just hated sitting in the truck so much, and
Speaker 4: I hated just waiting. The waiting game just killed me
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But man, what a unique experience though, And y'all have
Speaker 2: any y'all have. I mean, I'm kind of just like
Speaker 2: we're just like hitting the hits with marshall right.
Speaker 4: The worst part is you don't have time for your friends.
Speaker 4: You don't have time for your hounds. You don't have
Speaker 4: time for your horses, you don't have time for your
Speaker 4: change the oil in your truck.
Speaker 5: Like it just consumes your whole life. And my cow.
Speaker 4: Business got rougher. My dogs weren't as good. And that
Speaker 4: was a big part of it for me, was just
Speaker 4: it took all your time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, I think that that that is very a very
Speaker 3: niche job. You know, there are a whole lot of
Speaker 3: guys that have a job like that. I had a
Speaker 3: question about, uh oh, how did you get that job?
Speaker 5: Just a random phone call. I thought somebody was messing
Speaker 5: with me.
Speaker 4: Some people called me asking me if I could catch
Speaker 4: a rattlesnake and Weatherford and I was like, like I
Speaker 4: do like helicopter capture and stuff, not really snake stuff.
Speaker 4: And then a few days later, my buddy Brandon Beard
Speaker 4: Didn't call me, that works for Taylor Shared and he's like, hey, man,
Speaker 4: like we need somebody out here to look for snakes,
Speaker 4: like for real, Like you should call this guy back.
Speaker 5: And I called him and next day I was there.
Speaker 1: And it kind of turned into this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it turned into like helping local house.
Speaker 1: I mean, you did it for like six months or something.
Speaker 4: No, I did it over a year, over a year,
Speaker 4: about a year and a half, probably maybe a little
Speaker 4: longer than that.
Speaker 5: It was. We did a few I did a few
Speaker 5: episodes of Yellowstone. I wasn't like up in Montana and
Speaker 5: all that.
Speaker 4: I just did Texas stuff, but spent a lot of
Speaker 4: time on the Four Sixes, which was really cool.
Speaker 5: I met some cool people out there.
Speaker 4: Joe Leathers caught me picking up chad antlers out there
Speaker 4: one day.
Speaker 5: He just gave me a dirty look. Though I was
Speaker 5: lucky get away with it. But I think I got
Speaker 5: like three antlers off the four Sixes, which was a
Speaker 5: good find.
Speaker 4: But uh yeah, So I got to spend some time
Speaker 4: at the Sixes and stuff and that was cool.
Speaker 5: And then his place there in Weatherford.
Speaker 4: I've been around it quite a bit before too, and
Speaker 4: you know, he did major things out there and it
Speaker 4: was cool. And I guess if I did it again,
Speaker 4: I would go work for Locations. I think Locations has
Speaker 4: the coolest job.
Speaker 1: What's that mean?
Speaker 4: So like Locations is like the guy that goes out
Speaker 4: and is it like, hey, we love your place in Arkansas.
Speaker 4: We'd like to use your place in Arkansas for this
Speaker 4: scene where this.
Speaker 5: Gunfight and this and that and whatever. And it's crazy.
Speaker 4: They'll come in there and move everything you own out
Speaker 4: of that house, film there for twenty four hours straight
Speaker 4: and move everything you own back in that house the
Speaker 4: same spot.
Speaker 5: You never even touch a cup. It's the craziest thing
Speaker 5: you've ever seen in your life.
Speaker 4: And but those guys they go out find the ranches,
Speaker 4: find the locations, like it's just a cool it's scouting.
Speaker 4: It's like what we like to do, you know, you
Speaker 4: just go scout country. And that's just they had a
Speaker 4: pretty cool gig. They had a pretty cool gig, but
Speaker 4: they also had a ton of headaches, which is why
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be doing locations in the movie world.
Speaker 2: Wow, man, that's wild, man, that is wild justin bear
Speaker 2: any any any thoughts, questions?
Speaker 1: What okay, there's just like I've got.
Speaker 2: Two other things at least that i want to talk
Speaker 2: to Marshall about. But y'all, you've been around him for
Speaker 2: a couple of days here, anything anything you want to
Speaker 2: ask them about or just what people what.
Speaker 1: Would would what would be interesting?
Speaker 9: I'm trying to think because it seems like the whole
Speaker 9: time we've been here just there's like never ending.
Speaker 5: The stories never stop with Marshalls. Hey, lot happens when
Speaker 5: you're trying to get in if.
Speaker 2: Some dove cop cabin, we would name this episode the
Speaker 2: Stories Never Stopped Marshall bry But since run Lonesome Dove Cabin.
Speaker 1: We guys, if you don't have.
Speaker 4: A bunch of stories, you're not having enough fun. Man,
Speaker 4: I've worked hard. My whole life did not have to
Speaker 4: work hard, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, Uh, Marshall, I had a question about about your
Speaker 3: job here. What kind of what kind of things are
Speaker 3: you doing to like tell me about what kind of
Speaker 3: wildlife you have here? On the ranch. Yeah, and what
Speaker 3: you're doing to to to manage them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, We've just we've got a really really healthy l herd.
Speaker 4: We got a ton of mule deer. Uh generally we
Speaker 4: have a lot of bears, so we try to kill one.
Speaker 5: It's just we've got a ton of wildlife.
Speaker 4: And kind of my everyday deal is, uh start in
Speaker 4: the morning, and I just kind of the place is
Speaker 4: so big, you just kind of have to pick an
Speaker 4: area and say, hey, I'm going to concentrate my next
Speaker 4: four days on this area. I'm gonna get all our
Speaker 4: stands and stuff, right, I'm gonna trim trees on that
Speaker 4: section of a road. I'm gonna bring an excavator down
Speaker 4: here and get these big rocks out of the road.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna build a new road from point A to
Speaker 4: point B.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: That's another great thing about this job. As the boss
Speaker 4: man comes out and he's like, man, I sure would
Speaker 4: like a road to up there, and it's it's so
Speaker 4: cool because you're like, heck, yeah, go walk me out
Speaker 4: of road. I'm gonna go build a road up there,
Speaker 4: just like I want to build a road up there,
Speaker 4: you know. And then to see him show up and
Speaker 4: use that road, and they're like, oh man, this's worked.
Speaker 5: That's exact road I wanted, you know.
Speaker 4: And that's just that's super rewarding to me that I
Speaker 4: don't have to answer to one hundred people. I don't
Speaker 4: have a bunch of micro management. It's just like, hey man,
Speaker 4: i'd like this, I'd like this, I'd like this, and
Speaker 4: you just kind of go make it happen. He understands
Speaker 4: the place is big. He understands you can't just take
Speaker 4: a piece of equipment. I mean, the highway washed away today,
Speaker 4: like we might not even be able to make it
Speaker 4: into part of the wrench, you know.
Speaker 1: So he I think that's why we hadn't killed a bear.
Speaker 4: The logistics are tough, like, but I just I pick
Speaker 4: an area. I build roads, a trim trees, you know,
Speaker 4: just all of it. Everyday ranch stuff, you know. Just
Speaker 4: it's I guess I have manager on my title, but
Speaker 4: I'm just a ranch hand. I guess you'd say that
Speaker 4: manages wildlife, you know, and God, you know, God, friends
Speaker 4: and family and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean in the in the elk cutting in this
Speaker 2: part of New Mexico is about as good as it gets.
Speaker 5: It's it's ignorant. I mean it's yeah, pretty man.
Speaker 4: I'm super pumped for my first full elk season up.
Speaker 1: Here for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Incredible man.
Speaker 2: Now, but really, what you're maybe most passionate about in terms.
Speaker 1: Of hunting is lying hunting one thousand. That's it.
Speaker 7: Huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have.
Speaker 4: If I could not do anything else the rest of
Speaker 4: my life, I'd get up every morning in light hunt,
Speaker 4: no doubt.
Speaker 1: And so you've got you got a bunch of how
Speaker 1: many dogs you got right now?
Speaker 5: I got about ten dogs right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And and do you have a line dog right now?
Speaker 2: That's is I mean, do you have one that all
Speaker 2: that that that one is the best dog I've ever had?
Speaker 1: Do you have mediocre dog?
Speaker 5: I got?
Speaker 4: I got two of the best dogs I've ever had
Speaker 4: right now, My red and white dog Dan that y'all
Speaker 4: saw the bob tail, you know, not the short bobtail,
Speaker 4: but the medium bob tail. He came from a buddy
Speaker 4: up in Montana. And he is just a jam up
Speaker 4: line dog. I mean, he he'll grind it out, He'll
Speaker 4: take his time. Uh, you know, he's just he's patient.
Speaker 4: He's young, which is just it's cool to have a
Speaker 4: four year old dog that's just on top of his game.
Speaker 4: You know, probably my second best dog is that timber dog,
Speaker 4: which is the red dog.
Speaker 5: Oh, Clifford, the bigger red dog.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got a bad knee here and there and uh,
Speaker 4: but he's four.
Speaker 5: And he's a phenomenal dog.
Speaker 4: Also, I may have only got the dog because of
Speaker 4: that bad You know that I look back at it
Speaker 4: because that definitely wasn't spoke of first, but phenomenal dog.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't sell him for the world. You know.
Speaker 1: That brings up an interesting question selling line dogs.
Speaker 2: Give me a spectrum for how much a good I mean,
Speaker 2: or a great dry ground line dog would go for
Speaker 2: right now in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: It's honestly depending on the dog. I mean, you can
Speaker 5: almost name your price.
Speaker 4: I mean these people horses, hounds and mules sell and
Speaker 4: stuff like it's gone crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, And so what's name and your price?
Speaker 7: Man?
Speaker 5: I mean, there's you hear.
Speaker 4: Rumors guys paying over one hundred thousand dollars for just
Speaker 4: top notch.
Speaker 5: Dry ground line dogs.
Speaker 3: You kidding me? One hundred thousands.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about You don't have to do anything but
Speaker 4: open the dog box and stay out of his way,
Speaker 4: go down there and get him off the tree.
Speaker 5: Like dogs like that. I mean, if you find a
Speaker 5: dog like that for lesson twenty thirty thousand dollars, you're
Speaker 5: doing the deal.
Speaker 4: Like so if somebody gave me a if somebody, if
Speaker 4: I priced a dog like that and somebody gave me,
Speaker 4: you know, hey, man, I'm asking forty thousand for him, like,
Speaker 4: I would not be blown away.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I would go spend that.
Speaker 1: I'll give you twenty five thousand dollars right now for
Speaker 1: your best dog.
Speaker 5: Done.
Speaker 1: No, No, I was kidding. That sounds good to be.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't really sell him, but I just want to
Speaker 5: see if you're bluffing a bluffing. But now I know
Speaker 5: how to play cards later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean my question though, was would
Speaker 2: you sell your dog for twenty five thousand or is
Speaker 2: he worth it?
Speaker 1: Maybe he's not worth it, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: He's worth it to me. Yeah, I guess it's the
Speaker 5: best way to say that.
Speaker 4: My thing is, I could sell that dog for twenty
Speaker 4: five thousand, but I'd have a hard time replacing him
Speaker 4: for that. Yeah, you know, that's my biggest deal. I
Speaker 4: don't have a half million dollar budget to go blow
Speaker 4: online dogs. You know, I got two really nice dogs.
Speaker 4: I got one that I just plumb lucked out on
Speaker 4: that made a dog, And then I got some really
Speaker 4: nice young dogs coming up. And to me, I like
Speaker 4: watching a young dog progress so much that I would
Speaker 4: almost sell my top dog every year if I didn't
Speaker 4: have to breed my Like, that's my thing. Like, I
Speaker 4: want to be in a position where I don't ever
Speaker 4: have to buy a dog again.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: What I always had.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like I had line dogs, sold them all,
Speaker 4: took a different job, bought line dogs again, sold them,
Speaker 4: got a different job keeping. Yeah, so like I wasn't
Speaker 4: able to keep my line going really on line dogs,
Speaker 4: Like I kind of started over like three times. And
Speaker 4: these are hands down some of the better ones I've
Speaker 4: had by far, especially Dan. But yeah, it's just you know,
Speaker 4: if a guy's got a bunch of money, he can
Speaker 4: have a wicked settle line.
Speaker 2: Think about the thing about a line dog that's different
Speaker 2: than the beard dog, and tell me just if it's right.
Speaker 2: And you two Marshalls, you can you need about to
Speaker 2: come out here and to be successful, you probably need
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen dogs to be to be a good
Speaker 2: to catch a sufficient bear hunter.
Speaker 8: At least at least because twenty dogs, because well, just
Speaker 8: hold on, let me, let me, let me just say
Speaker 8: what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: To be a to come out here and to be
Speaker 2: a successful line hunter, just assuming that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not calculating the skill of the hunter and knowing
Speaker 2: where to go and being here when it snows. But
Speaker 2: in theory, you could come out here with three or
Speaker 2: four really good line dogs and catch a line sure enough,
Speaker 2: catch lines consistently, especially in wet ground, with three or
Speaker 2: four dogs.
Speaker 1: And so we're going to answer that.
Speaker 2: But the point is that's that's why a line dog
Speaker 2: is worth so much, Because you go by one man,
Speaker 2: you pretty much got pack, I mean, one real good
Speaker 2: wood and with some backup dogs.
Speaker 7: If you take one good one and you got three
Speaker 7: that'll go with him and just push him, you're good. Yeah,
Speaker 7: the bear deal you gotta have. You need to be
Speaker 7: putting eight on the ground a lot of dog power,
Speaker 7: and then you got to do it again tomorrow and
Speaker 7: then eight or ten years to day they're smoked. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's kind of what we've run into.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I and the pads of their feet, their knees,
Speaker 4: their hips.
Speaker 5: I mean, it takes it out of them up here.
Speaker 4: A lot of people do not think that terrain is
Speaker 4: like this in New Mexico, and it's like both of
Speaker 4: y'all today. It was funny I told you riding around
Speaker 4: with you all at two different times, he said, if
Speaker 4: somebody just dropped me off in a helicopter here blindfolded,
Speaker 4: I would think it was Montana. Yeah, And it was
Speaker 4: funny because thirty minutes later, I ride with your dad
Speaker 4: and he's like, you know what, it's just like the Rockies,
Speaker 4: and it's it's so it's so true, like when you're
Speaker 4: up here and it's like beautiful hayfields and a lake
Speaker 4: and ducks and geese everywhere, and then you go one
Speaker 4: hundred your more yards and it's like, all right, we're
Speaker 4: in the foothills.
Speaker 5: There's mill deer. This is cool. And then you go
Speaker 5: over that hill and you're like, wow, big mountains.
Speaker 1: That's well, what's our elevation right here? Eighty four hundred feet?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, we're a little over eight thousand just right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean you're starting and it feels like we're
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the futa. We're in the valley,
Speaker 2: we're eighty four hundred feet. Yeah, Josh, here's your answer.
Speaker 2: Here's your answer. The answer you've been waiting for is
Speaker 2: that when you turn, when you turn loose the line dog,
Speaker 2: you're turning him on a track that that line has
Speaker 2: made maybe the day before, maybe the day before that.
Speaker 2: And he's most of the work that that dog is doing.
Speaker 2: He's trailing that line while that line was hunting and moving,
Speaker 2: and that line didn't even know it's being tracked. And
Speaker 2: that dog's got to catch up with that line, which
Speaker 2: could be miles of trailing. And then when the cat
Speaker 2: actually perceives that he's being chased by a hound, he
Speaker 2: doesn't really run that far.
Speaker 4: Once you got him jumped, you're once once that your
Speaker 4: success mountain's laying on a.
Speaker 2: Mule deer killed over here with a full belly. And
Speaker 2: he doesn't know it, but for the last six hours
Speaker 2: there's been dogs six miles away that have been trailing
Speaker 2: him through the mountains where he walked last night. When
Speaker 2: he hears that dog bay, he jumps up and he
Speaker 2: runs about three hundred yards and those dogs start catching up,
Speaker 2: catching up to him, and he goes up a tree.
Speaker 1: A bear is.
Speaker 2: You might cold trail a bear for a long time
Speaker 2: before he knows he's being chased. But as soon as
Speaker 2: he's jumped, as soon as that bear goes, oh there's
Speaker 2: dogs starts, he turns on the after burners. And he's
Speaker 2: got more horsepower than your dogs usually and and and
Speaker 2: your dogs have already cold trailed him, and then they've
Speaker 2: got to catch him and pressure him enough to go
Speaker 2: up a tree, and a lot of I mean, sometimes
Speaker 2: the bear want him go up a tree. That's what
Speaker 2: we ran into on the first say, just a walking bear,
Speaker 2: a bear that had no problem with the dogs, just
Speaker 2: kind of yapping at it.
Speaker 5: Right, I had a problem with it. Covered a lot
Speaker 5: of country to just watch him walk around.
Speaker 1: How far do you think you rode?
Speaker 4: I think when you looked at my track or what
Speaker 4: was it like twenty it was like twenty three miles
Speaker 4: or twenty seven miles or something. So and we'd already
Speaker 4: traveled what eleven miles as a group, least horseback, you know,
Speaker 4: And then we kind of had a split deal going on,
Speaker 4: and my good two best dogs went after the walking
Speaker 4: bear over there, so I had no choice to go.
Speaker 4: But you know, I went and went and went, called
Speaker 4: a neighbor, went through their place, went and went, went,
Speaker 4: called a neighbor, went through their place, went went, went
Speaker 4: back of a neighborhood, walking down the public road. You know,
Speaker 4: my horse tied to a gate four miles back. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just when a bear goes, a bear goes. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and it's just.
Speaker 1: That's why you need a bunch of bear dogs.
Speaker 2: And not to say I mean a really top notche
Speaker 2: bear dog would be expensive too, but I think a
Speaker 2: line dog would be more.
Speaker 4: What does a truck to tree? No questions asked bear
Speaker 4: dog go for?
Speaker 7: It's a good question.
Speaker 6: One, yeah, weeah no idea, Yeah, general sell bear dogs
Speaker 6: as a pack or do you buy individual dogs?
Speaker 5: Generally?
Speaker 7: I think it would be I think I would be lying,
Speaker 7: but from what I know or what I've seen, it
Speaker 7: would be as a pack like them guys on the
Speaker 7: East Coast. And I'm sure there's gonna be some that's like, No,
Speaker 7: we would sell one dog, you know, but I think
Speaker 7: it's selled by the pack and it's not anything like
Speaker 7: the price of these line dogs, right, I mean you
Speaker 7: can I think you can go find a gem up
Speaker 7: bear dog for eight ten thousand. Yeah, I mean turn
Speaker 7: them out, look at him at the tree.
Speaker 4: So really, for as many dogs as you got to have,
Speaker 4: really a set of line dogs and a set of
Speaker 4: bear dogs kind of evens out.
Speaker 5: You're just less dogs, more money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just the truth of it is, bear hunting
Speaker 2: is more dangerous for the dogs.
Speaker 5: Oh bad. So that's why we had and went the
Speaker 5: extra seventeen miles. Check on her dog.
Speaker 2: It's pretty pretty rare for a hound to get killed
Speaker 2: while you're running a line.
Speaker 4: I've only lost one ever, and we got on a
Speaker 4: cliff and went over the rocks.
Speaker 5: Never I've never had it like a lion killed a dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, all that is just so it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Bear. Tell us about your mule.
Speaker 9: Well, I've been training slow Trap for the last two months,
Speaker 9: started riding them within the last month. And before I
Speaker 9: even got on them, I think like a month ago
Speaker 9: you asked me if you want to take them to
Speaker 9: New Mexico in one month.
Speaker 5: I was impressed by the thirty day mule man. I
Speaker 5: was blown away.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I started working on him pretty hard and
Speaker 9: got him riding. It's like the last two weeks I've
Speaker 9: been doing quite a bit of trail riding with him,
Speaker 9: but we took him out here and just rode him
Speaker 9: around with all the other mules and horses.
Speaker 1: Oh, they on a wild ride that first day. I
Speaker 1: mean that's kind of what I was.
Speaker 2: So you went further than us because you went after
Speaker 2: your dogs, but we easily went fifteen miles in rough country.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it was. It was the rougher stuff.
Speaker 1: Was righting on our heels the whole time. And it
Speaker 1: was also the fastest stuff I've done with him.
Speaker 9: Like I've gotten him to trot, you know, just down
Speaker 9: like a straight stretch, but we were trotting a lot
Speaker 9: more than you know, like with this style of hunting.
Speaker 1: We were going a lot faster.
Speaker 9: So he was trotting and got yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: But he saw the truck and trail yeah, headed home.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he was getting tired there on the first day,
Speaker 9: the last couple of miles, and whenever we came down
Speaker 9: in the valley and you could see the truck on
Speaker 9: the other side and he saw the other mules running,
Speaker 9: I just had to give him the slightest cue and
Speaker 9: he just took off all the way across the well.
Speaker 1: It was for us.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of fun bringing that meal out here
Speaker 2: and just fun for me to see Bear. I mean
Speaker 2: he was riding that thing in a thirty foot diameter
Speaker 2: round pen, you know, like.
Speaker 1: Three weeks ago, I mean for real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, I mean just in the last month
Speaker 2: he's taken it out by itself on solo trips and
Speaker 2: kind of national forest in Arkansas. Yeah, and uh yeah,
Speaker 2: but I also didn't really have any doubt that it
Speaker 2: would do good.
Speaker 1: I mean, the mule's done so good and Bear's Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bear got some help from a friend of Justin and
Speaker 2: I is a guy named Elvis Middleton, who those are
Speaker 2: mountain mules.
Speaker 1: Elvis, those are just Ozark mountains.
Speaker 7: Those are mountain mules.
Speaker 1: Got you, got you Ozark mountain miles. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He's a phenomenal trainer at getting them started. And uh
Speaker 2: we went over there for about really a full day
Speaker 2: with Elvis.
Speaker 9: Yeah, before and I've been restored messaging him quite a bit.
Speaker 9: But yeah, he's shown me a lot of the groundwork
Speaker 9: and just kind of how to go about it. But
Speaker 9: it's been a really interesting process training a mule. I
Speaker 9: was I was kind of just wanting to do it
Speaker 9: at first, just for the experience, but now that I've
Speaker 9: gotten into it, you know, I had like one from
Speaker 9: like start to now using I'm i'm i'm.
Speaker 1: I think I'm hooked. I think I'm going to get
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah. Yeah, we're working on one right now.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Yep.
Speaker 2: So and then Josh, you did great too, man. So
Speaker 2: Josh is Josh is about as good a meal, about
Speaker 2: as new a mule rider as slow trap.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, Josh, Josh is like a thirty day many Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but you you put on some miles we
Speaker 2: probably rode.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We rode eight miles today, didn't we ten?
Speaker 1: We rode ten miles that he tracked us today?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that mule did good. It's a big boy
Speaker 1: to carry around.
Speaker 3: To carry around them.
Speaker 1: That's Justin's That's a whole lot of country.
Speaker 5: On top of a mule right there.
Speaker 3: I want to know, Marshall, what are your feelings about mules.
Speaker 5: I knew y'all, I knew y'all were going to do this.
Speaker 5: They're cool. Mules are cool. I will say that one
Speaker 5: thousand percent, one thousand percent.
Speaker 4: I think they definitely have their place. Like I get it.
Speaker 4: I do get it.
Speaker 5: Today I rode Betty Bay up our big old boulder,
Speaker 5: you know, and like that's cool. I would no question
Speaker 5: jump my horse, any of my horses up on that rock.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: That turning around and coming back off of it would
Speaker 5: have been near as graceful as they were on that mule.
Speaker 4: So like, I do have a huge respect for mules.
Speaker 4: And I told you I had a huge respect for
Speaker 4: mules before, just from seeing the things that people do
Speaker 4: on them. It's just it's you're a cowboy, basically.
Speaker 5: I think the question is, like, let's talk about how
Speaker 5: the endurance of a horse and a mule that I've
Speaker 5: been hearing about because I don't know, I've covered a
Speaker 5: lot of country about run five mile race. When we
Speaker 5: got back.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, hey Smurf, we called him old Blue, Oh smurf,
Speaker 2: dead gum. That is that's the Marshall has an incredible animal.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's that.
Speaker 4: Horse is part of our horse program here at the
Speaker 4: ranch and tell us about it. He's he's just a
Speaker 4: five year old blue horse.
Speaker 1: Is he fifteen one fifteen?
Speaker 5: He's probably fifteen one fifteen to two.
Speaker 2: Betty weighs thirteen hundred pounds though at least Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: a big style horse. So like Betty bay Weys one
Speaker 2: thousand and fifties and that's a good sized mule.
Speaker 1: Fourteen three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet that horse wears fourteen fifty probably it's
Speaker 4: out his rump is, yeah, two and a half. And
Speaker 4: he can run, he go, and he's got And that's man.
Speaker 4: I'm lucky on horses, man, because I mean the bay horse,
Speaker 4: the black horse, the blue horse, the they're all great horses.
Speaker 5: And they'll do that right there every day.
Speaker 1: I mean they you know.
Speaker 4: And that's another thing, you know, I think a lot
Speaker 4: of the horses that mule guys compare to our guys.
Speaker 5: That a lot of guys work all week.
Speaker 4: Go grab their mule, go coon hunting, go squirrel, go
Speaker 4: do whatever, and they ride that mule once or twice
Speaker 4: a week. And I think you know what y'all's mules
Speaker 4: did on a schedule versus like, if you're gonna do
Speaker 4: that on a horse, you gotta put a lot of
Speaker 4: miles on a horse, Like you got to keep that
Speaker 4: thing tuned up. You know, if I only ride my
Speaker 4: horse once a week, there is no way my horse
Speaker 4: could have done all that, you know, But you know,
Speaker 4: you keep them legged up, you keep them in shape,
Speaker 4: you know, and I do understand it does It is
Speaker 4: a lot more maintenance. My one horse probably ate more
Speaker 4: hay the last three days than four.
Speaker 5: Y'all's mules, you know. But you know, when you go
Speaker 5: sports car, you gotta put a lot of gas in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was, it was, It was impressive. Now I
Speaker 2: can't say I'm not.
Speaker 5: Have a better horse than that. No, Well, if they
Speaker 5: don't kill a line with us, and I'll even let
Speaker 5: him ride a good.
Speaker 3: Horse basically basically, So what I just heard you say
Speaker 3: is you know how Evan Felker talked about alcohol, like
Speaker 3: I'll never do it. That's basically what Marshall said about mules.
Speaker 1: I like, I wouldn't other people, but they're not for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd like to have a pack mule, just to
Speaker 4: have a mule, because I do think they're cool. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna have a hard time walking past my
Speaker 4: horses to ride a mule.
Speaker 2: Well, and but you're not the average horse guy either, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean you gotta pin with with with what you
Speaker 2: got going on here at the ranch. I mean you
Speaker 2: got a pin full of horses that are, yes, sir,
Speaker 2: top end performance ranch horses. Rodey of horses, cutting horses,
Speaker 2: raining horse, I mean pretty incredible animals.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean I got my two pickup horses
Speaker 4: and then my cow horse, and they, I mean.
Speaker 5: There's big, stout, athletic horses.
Speaker 4: And then the ranch has some really nice horses, and
Speaker 4: we've started getting some brood mares to raise our own
Speaker 4: horses and stuff and just kind of barely getting into
Speaker 4: the horse program here. And yeah, it's just there's nothing
Speaker 4: better than riding a good horse.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: I grew up riding junkie horses, and it was like
Speaker 4: it's I didn't really make it, but as soon as
Speaker 4: I could afford a luxury item, I went and got
Speaker 4: the best horse I could get. And ever since then,
Speaker 4: you know, my buddy Bobby Hayley always says like life's.
Speaker 5: Too short to ride a crappy horse. I don't know,
Speaker 5: can you say that on here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, life's too short to ride a sorry horse.
Speaker 4: And he like converted me completely, cause I used to
Speaker 4: just have a bunch of horses, you know, and he's
Speaker 4: the one that like fine to me. He was like, dude,
Speaker 4: just get it, get rid of those three and get
Speaker 4: one so we can actually like go get something done,
Speaker 4: you know, like pull up on something you're proud of,
Speaker 4: you know. And ever since then, it's like, now I've
Speaker 4: got a I don't know, Ferrari budget, or I got
Speaker 4: a Ferrari dreams on a Volkswagen budget, I think, is
Speaker 4: what they say.
Speaker 1: Here you go.
Speaker 5: But uh, yeah, I'm very blessed to have some awesome
Speaker 5: horses here at the wrench.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, big news. What's that I bought a mule?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, Josh, is this the last time I have
Speaker 7: to rent out Merle?
Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll see. I'll see how this mule goes.
Speaker 3: I might be running back to come get Merle.
Speaker 7: It'll get hired.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, tell tell us about.
Speaker 3: Your real Well, she's she's a big girl. You've never
Speaker 3: ritten her yet. I haven't written her yet. I've seen
Speaker 3: her once.
Speaker 7: Mistake.
Speaker 3: Let me just say it was a total impulse spy.
Speaker 1: Well it was your buddy.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was an impulse spy from a buddy. So
Speaker 3: I haven't ritten her yet. But she's a big girl.
Speaker 3: She's sixteen hands, so hopefully she'll be stout enough to
Speaker 3: carry a big boy.
Speaker 4: So I'm a break to your rope ladder. Take with you,
Speaker 4: So you can get on it. Yeah, collapsible bucket, that's
Speaker 4: what you need. That's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2: So we got another horseman in our presence, Justin. He's
Speaker 2: bought two pretty nice roping horses in the last two months.
Speaker 2: Bought two, sold one, bought two, sold one.
Speaker 3: Do you keep them in the same field as your mules?
Speaker 7: I do. They're not allowed to be in the same
Speaker 7: field as with my dad and stepmoms because they're in
Speaker 7: the same mentality as Marshall here. They're fire breeding dragons
Speaker 7: to kill somebody. What do you mean mules can't be
Speaker 7: with top end horses.
Speaker 1: Really, they're afraid to hurt them.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah for real? Oh yeah, bad deal.
Speaker 1: Now, Justin, I don't know.
Speaker 2: This may have been a private conversation we had that
Speaker 2: you don't want to share it when you said, like
Speaker 2: your your roping horses, they get hurt easy. You can't
Speaker 2: hardly ride them out of the pen.
Speaker 7: I mean, but but yeah, for the most part, you're
Speaker 7: not going to take a single horse that you've seen
Speaker 7: it go through the roping and come out here and
Speaker 7: do what we did. Not a chance you agree with that?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, ninety percent of the horses, those guys are
Speaker 4: going on. I can't do a quarter of what that
Speaker 4: blue horse did.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Eighty five percent of them have never done anything
Speaker 7: outside that arena. Yeah, and yeah, that that's a part
Speaker 7: of why I have bought a second horse and sold
Speaker 7: the other one, the first one, which he was fine
Speaker 7: for what he was, but you wouldn't gonna do anything
Speaker 7: with rope stairs on him in that arena. And well,
Speaker 7: I'm no big cowboy, but if I want to go
Speaker 7: do something on one, if I need to go catch
Speaker 7: it here and pasture, if I need to go trail ride,
Speaker 7: I want to go down to Buffalo. Whatever I want
Speaker 7: to do, he wasn't doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And anyway, the second purchase, he's a lot nicer horse,
Speaker 7: well rounded horse, more of.
Speaker 1: A ranch horse.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean you can rope on him and do
Speaker 2: our stuff, but you also go.
Speaker 7: You can do anything you want to. I wouldn't be
Speaker 7: scared a bit to bring him out here, really, honestly,
Speaker 7: I wouldn't them. Yeah, but he would not be a
Speaker 7: top end cellar. So somebody's want to go head steers. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he's he isn't a finished you know, he is an
Speaker 7: open horse by no means, how old is He's he's
Speaker 7: a nice horse. Nice horse for me.
Speaker 5: And I'm curious to you.
Speaker 4: I see way more horses that are really nice outside
Speaker 4: can just go in the arena and dominate. And there's
Speaker 4: so many horses you see do incredible things in the
Speaker 4: arena that it takes three people load him in the trailer,
Speaker 4: you get him down the alleyway.
Speaker 5: You know, some of those.
Speaker 4: Barrel horses you see crazy like you, it's ridiculous, man Like,
Speaker 4: we have bucking horses that handle better than some of
Speaker 4: them in the alleyway. It seems like, I mean them girls,
Speaker 4: they got a halt when they when they come down there.
Speaker 4: You watch some of those high end barrel horses. They'll
Speaker 4: kill you before the before they run through the line. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it make me nervous.
Speaker 5: YEA was doing that, that's uh yeah.
Speaker 4: My grandpa always said, don't date a barrel racer because
Speaker 4: you're gonna have to deal with her horse.
Speaker 5: The horse is almost impossible. That is a So I
Speaker 5: got me a great girlfriend. It's not a barrel racer.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, she.
Speaker 3: Was on that mule today too.
Speaker 2: She did.
Speaker 5: She rode her mule and we go a lot of
Speaker 5: miles out here on horseback too. She loves it.
Speaker 4: We packed mineral in and do all that.
Speaker 5: She would you a check for Betty Bayer right now
Speaker 5: if she had my check book, no question about it.
Speaker 7: Is it at the house? Can we get it to her?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: I keep it down there at Texas place so she
Speaker 5: can't get a hold of it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean we've we've covered. We've covered quite a
Speaker 2: bit pretty quick.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what else do we I mean, we've I
Speaker 2: wanted to talk to Marshall about line hunting, wildlife management,
Speaker 2: the ranch, his horses. I mean, we hadn't even got
Speaker 2: into the part of his life when he had How
Speaker 2: many hog dogs did you have at the same time?
Speaker 4: At one time I had sixty finished hog dogs on
Speaker 4: the chain, plus puppies, and I had a few females.
Speaker 1: Were big time into hog hunting in Texas for a while.
Speaker 5: I was pretty heavy in it, yes, sir, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: everything from like legitimately imported dogos, and I was what
Speaker 5: I was doing was taking I was basically taking a
Speaker 5: cata hula and coming up with a dog that was
Speaker 5: a half catahula quarter blue tech quarter dogo. That was
Speaker 5: my poison.
Speaker 4: And they were just really, really rough dogs. I ran
Speaker 4: all running catchdogs, and I just I had tons of them.
Speaker 4: I was guiding hunts five six nights a week, and
Speaker 4: you go through a lot of dogs.
Speaker 5: I mean, just like the bear deal.
Speaker 4: If you're gonna go every day, you gotta have a
Speaker 4: bunch of them and you wear them out.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean I probably had seventy five eighty dogs at
Speaker 4: one time, but sixty sure enough.
Speaker 5: Put them on the truck, go catch pigs.
Speaker 1: Wow, for sure.
Speaker 5: I had six sets of those kennels and then about
Speaker 5: thirty chains.
Speaker 1: And hey, you take really good care of your dogs.
Speaker 5: I take huge pride and take care of my dogs.
Speaker 1: Have clean kennels.
Speaker 5: Your dogs are health They get out of They get
Speaker 5: out of their kennels twice a day every day. Kensey
Speaker 5: helps me with it, and we clean their pins twice
Speaker 5: a day. I mean, these dogs.
Speaker 1: Makes those pins for you.
Speaker 4: Full set, built those kennls, and he builds awesome dog kennles, y'all,
Speaker 4: And I know he will just be absolutely a static
Speaker 4: that he gets a shot. So Clay Nucombe, I already
Speaker 4: gave him some kennels. You're gonna have to divvy up, so.
Speaker 7: He needs two sets.
Speaker 4: We need we need our and Demingo runs hog dogs
Speaker 4: and stuff. That's why he started building kennels. He's another
Speaker 4: guy from Weatherford, you know. And but yeah, builds all
Speaker 4: some kennel's dog boxes all that stuff.
Speaker 5: So yeah, he'll dig that, But.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: To me, I've gone and looked at some nice dogs
Speaker 4: that I wanted to add to my pack. And sometimes
Speaker 4: I'll go up to a guy's place and I just
Speaker 4: look at the place around him, and I know he
Speaker 4: doesn't take as much pride in his dogs as I do.
Speaker 5: And I have a hard time purchasing a dog from
Speaker 5: somebody like that.
Speaker 4: Like when I show up and there's ten days worth
Speaker 4: of stuff in there and everything else, it's just to me,
Speaker 4: it's did he get lucky because he's not working hard
Speaker 4: enough to make a good dog. So like, I'd love
Speaker 4: to make every dog I have, but I don't have
Speaker 4: the genetics here to just raise all my puppies. Like
Speaker 4: there's I mean, if Warner Glenn calls you Thursday and
Speaker 4: it's like, hey man, I'd love to say you these
Speaker 4: two six month old puppies, Like I'd tell him yes
Speaker 4: while I was driving through my gate, I wouldn't even
Speaker 4: get out to unlock it, you know.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 4: Like there's people I'd love to get hounds from and
Speaker 4: and the best ones you can't get. And that's that's
Speaker 4: the hardest part, you know.
Speaker 7: Yea.
Speaker 4: So when I go over there, like some of these
Speaker 4: guys got a bunch of money and everything else and
Speaker 4: they got somebody else goes and I'm not gonna say
Speaker 4: any names, but there's a guy in Texas that lives
Speaker 4: like the dream life man, but he's got guys that
Speaker 4: take care of his dogs.
Speaker 5: He's got guys that hunt his dogs. He's got guys
Speaker 5: that like, to me, like, where's the fun in that?
Speaker 1: Just owning? Yeah? Yeah, he just pretty much.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine if I had like Jeffrey over there
Speaker 5: cleaning my pins out put my dogs in the truck,
Speaker 5: Like y'all wouldn't look at me. It's a hounsman. You're like, oh, dude,
Speaker 5: there's oh Rich Marshall. He's got they're gonna go load
Speaker 5: his wagon checked the air and his pires. You know,
Speaker 5: it's cool. I don't know, disrespect like I wish I would.
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that, yeah, but but.
Speaker 4: I just like I enjoyed my time with those dogs
Speaker 4: every and if you want a good handle and you
Speaker 4: want to be able to call them off, and you
Speaker 4: want to be able to do those things. It's like
Speaker 4: I can tree a lion and take a picture and
Speaker 4: do my deal and look at it and be proud
Speaker 4: of myself, proud of my dogs, and I can whistle
Speaker 4: and walk out of there and I don't even need
Speaker 4: to carry a leash. There's you know, And but that
Speaker 4: comes from spending time with them every single day, no
Speaker 4: matter what rain, snow, sleek, hell, we've.
Speaker 5: Had all of it since you've been here.
Speaker 4: But and I mean, I just I have a huge
Speaker 4: admiration for guys that really take care of their dogs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I noticed that right off.
Speaker 7: I really didn't.
Speaker 1: I did, for sure.
Speaker 5: It's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.
Speaker 2: Maybe so, man, hey, this has been really good. Here
Speaker 2: we are at the lonesome cabin. We're gonna have to
Speaker 2: show people on YouTube the outside of the cabin. Well
Speaker 2: but uh, yeah, man, they were right here. This is
Speaker 2: where they shot it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So pretty crazy, pretty crazy. Justin uh, what kind of
Speaker 1: hat you got on there?
Speaker 7: Dog and Hunt SPA Equipment Arkansas Equipment. Any Dog and
Speaker 7: Hunt Spy needs call her hood yet Yep, had to
Speaker 7: give Marshall a long range Guess they don't have them
Speaker 7: New Mexico. You can order the equipment, have to.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, they're they're well known. Yeah, they're going
Speaker 2: to carry a full line first light.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 1: See that's what I heard over equipment ARCHI.
Speaker 4: So I can get a long range antenna in one
Speaker 4: of them best in the same places.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 1: Man, Wow, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 7: To go to Arkansas here, come up here, we'll go talking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm in have to ride a mule, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the only way to up.
Speaker 1: You gotta ride.
Speaker 5: Oh man, you can ride my big sixteen hand, that's all.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. I'm gonna make you ride that
Speaker 5: blue Horse.
Speaker 1: Hey, I've got to. I got to ride that book.
Speaker 7: You need to.
Speaker 4: You need to ride the little black Horse too. Oh, Taco,
Speaker 4: I'd like to. Taco's a sports car down there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, dirt, I probably.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because you only have to hold the
Speaker 4: reins with one hand, so you got like a free
Speaker 4: hand to do stuff with, talk on the phone or whatever.
Speaker 1: Just because they're they're they're that Yeah, they're just they
Speaker 1: got that kind of handlong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we call that that Bobby Bobby Hayin lines,
Speaker 4: my buddy that trains horses.
Speaker 5: We call that the that Bobby Hayline chocolate.
Speaker 4: He puts that chocolate on him, makes him sweet everybody after.
Speaker 4: He's the only person I've ever met that literally he can.
Speaker 4: He'll say, hey, can I see that horse for a minute,
Speaker 4: And he'll get on him and go do his thing
Speaker 4: for thirty forty minutes and he brings that horse over.
Speaker 5: It's worth two thousand more dollars as soon as he
Speaker 5: steps off of it. That's just the way he is.
Speaker 7: Good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 2: Well, marshall, thanks for having us out here. Man, we've
Speaker 2: been having an incredible tank.
Speaker 5: Y'all for coming, y'all welcome all anytime.
Speaker 1: Well anytime really been good.
Speaker 4: I want I want to see Bear come back with
Speaker 4: that handmade bow. Oh yeah, so you made your own bow,
Speaker 4: your own arrow heads?
Speaker 5: What do you do for the string? You make the string? Yeah,
Speaker 5: you make the string or send you uh huh.
Speaker 1: We read uh, we read the other I think you
Speaker 1: should kill it.
Speaker 5: I think she can killer line with it.
Speaker 2: We read just the other day and some historical archives
Speaker 2: where they were using twisted bear gut to make a
Speaker 2: bow string. Have to try that, you know, taking the intestines,
Speaker 2: drying them out and twisting it.
Speaker 7: Because I've used squirrel gusts.
Speaker 9: That's a bit twisted gut bow strings there.
Speaker 3: The first thing you need to do is get a bear.
Speaker 2: Okay, Josh, it's been a tall order this week up. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: keep the wild places wild because
Speaker 1: That's where the bears live and we don't know how
Speaker 1: to find it