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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: This week, Jason Phelps and I are going to have

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Speaker 1: a little debate on whose dad is toughest or you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're a kid in around the playground, you're like, well,

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Speaker 1: my dad's tougher, tougher than your dad.

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Speaker 2: And in the.

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Speaker 1: Spirit of Father's Day, I thought that'd be a good,

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Speaker 1: good little podcast to talk about.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was trying to, like, you gave me

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Speaker 3: five minutes, so now I'm trying to like stack the

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Speaker 3: deck in my dad's favors.

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Speaker 2: So I've been trying to think of things that would

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Speaker 2: make him tough.

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Speaker 1: Well, Phelps, I as a son, you know, your whole life,

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Speaker 1: you've been telling people your dad's tougher, you know, than

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Speaker 1: their dad, and then you get to like argue about it.

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Speaker 1: And I know how you like to argue.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you call it debate. It's a debate. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: definitely I like to debate people, not argue. But it'll

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Speaker 3: be a good, good little podcast. And then, uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: tip our hat to the all the old older generation.

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Speaker 3: You always think about it. We were just talking before,

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Speaker 3: you know, some of these old all the whole all

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Speaker 3: the old guys were tough for us. You know, they

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Speaker 3: got the I Love on X, but they went out

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Speaker 3: in the woods without that. They went out in the

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Speaker 3: woods with They didn't have the newest, latest, and the greatest.

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Speaker 3: So uh, well, we're gonna we're gonna joke around and

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Speaker 3: have a good time with Whose dads was tougher. I'll

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Speaker 3: tip my hat to to everybody before us that truly

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Speaker 3: was hunting, you know, tougher. They were hunting the same spots.

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Speaker 3: We were doing it with gear that wasn't near as advanced.

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Speaker 3: You know, they didn't have the freeze dried meals, They

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Speaker 3: didn't have any of this stuff that that we have

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Speaker 3: the day to make our lives super easy. They were

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Speaker 3: they were doing it the hard way. So that's the

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Speaker 3: last nice thing I'm gonna say about your dad, though, Derek.

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Speaker 1: Oh, come on, now, easy, easy, easy Now. Well, my

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Speaker 1: dad he was kind of he was pretty gritty, you know,

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Speaker 1: he was a he was a old school I said,

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Speaker 1: I think that would probably be a really good way

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Speaker 1: to to describe him, because he was old like when

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Speaker 1: I was. When I was born, he was fifty, so

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Speaker 1: he started family pretty late in life, and he'd seen

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Speaker 1: some stuff like he right when he got out of

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Speaker 1: high school, you know, right as soon as he turned eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I think he even lied back. You could do this

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Speaker 1: back then in the in those days. But he lied,

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Speaker 1: and uh, he joined the Marines and went to World

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Speaker 1: War two and see all the crap. He's seen all

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Speaker 1: the bad stuff, went to the Pacific theater, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, like with with the the

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Speaker 1: World War coming, I'm not sure why he thought, oh marines,

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Speaker 1: that sounds cool, you know, because he back then I

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Speaker 1: didn't even know hardly anybody had TVs, you know, let

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Speaker 1: alone you know, anything in the Internet. You know, that

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Speaker 1: it was cool man, that's like, that's like the toughest

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Speaker 1: toughest job in World War Two was to be a

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Speaker 1: marine almost. I think you know, they were right there,

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Speaker 1: you know, the head of the spear in the Pacific,

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Speaker 1: landing on all those different islands and fighting. It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's insane, and hats off to all those those brave

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Speaker 1: soldiers that died over there and fought over there. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, Art and that that kind of is

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Speaker 3: a good segue into like the different different age is

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Speaker 3: of of your dad versus my dad. My grandpa was

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Speaker 3: in the marine, served in World War Two. So we're

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Speaker 3: we're off by about a generation there, but it is

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Speaker 3: it is a good segue to my dad was raised

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Speaker 3: by a marine, and and so that I feel like

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Speaker 3: that kind of got passed down. Three he had two

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Speaker 3: brothers that were my dad's one of five brothers, three

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Speaker 3: and grandpa had an axe and then had a friend

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Speaker 2: Is that kind of how that whole system works.

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Speaker 3: So five brothers in the house and uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: to raise hell in their high school days and the after,

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Speaker 3: and so it was a I got some of that

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so that I just wanted to point that out.

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Speaker 3: You're like your grand your dad and then my grandpa

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Speaker 3: were probably similar aged, you know when and served in

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I didn't know that truck. Grandpa.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't like so that.

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Speaker 3: I know it was about dads, but it is a

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Speaker 3: little bit about Grandpa. Like the nicest guy in the world,

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Speaker 3: but he didn't like kids until they were like past eight.

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Speaker 2: He didn't want to deal with them.

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Speaker 3: And and so like growing up, I'm like, man, that's

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Speaker 3: the meanest guy ever. Like sit there cross legged, like

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Speaker 3: smoking his Winston cigarette at the at the at the

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Speaker 2: That guy is.

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Speaker 3: And then as you got a little older, like you

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Speaker 3: did all the little magic tricks on you, and and

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Speaker 3: you're like it was weird, like itstantly changed when you

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Speaker 3: were old enough to not just scream and yell and bets.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, be a pain.

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Speaker 3: He turned into uh, you know, super cool guy. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: tough just yeah, those those Marines back in those days,

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Speaker 2: Just yeah.

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Speaker 2: I almost wanted to be left alone.

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Speaker 1: It seemed like, oh, yeah, that's my dad too. He uh.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, his his yes was yes, and

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Speaker 1: his no really meant no. Do not ask again. If

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Speaker 1: he says no, that's into the conversation next year.

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Speaker 2: Don't even ask. Now.

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Speaker 1: Kids out today are like Oh but Dad, plea O

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Speaker 1: you they'll sit there for hours begging and wanting, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: that wouldn't happen around my dad.

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Speaker 3: The second time he asked, like, that's that's worth getting

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Speaker 3: a weapon at that point, like you should have known

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Speaker 3: not to ask the second time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You know it's funny, you know he's

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Speaker 1: growing up like that. You kind of questioned, like, man,

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Speaker 1: my dad is such a hard case man. He is

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Speaker 1: a lot. It was pretty uncomfortable. But you know, I

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Speaker 1: think I think from his perspective, and now that I'm

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Speaker 1: I think it. I think his main goal was to

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Speaker 1: raise some boys that weren't, you know, pieces of crap.

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Speaker 1: You know, you wanted to know, wanted good men that

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I think it worked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, similar to my dad.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I didn't have the marine Dad, but it kind

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Speaker 3: of passed down and so very strict, you know, even

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Speaker 3: for I say my time, I'm only ten years younger

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Speaker 3: you know, nowadays, the way you know your dad treated

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Speaker 3: my dad expected to me, Like now it would be

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Speaker 3: torture for your kids and like, but I can remember

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Speaker 3: other kids being able to like the quote unquote hellions

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Speaker 3: that parents didn't care. They'd be riding bikes all over

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Speaker 3: to do. But dad, Dad told me I had, you know,

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Speaker 3: two hours of cutting firewood and stacking it. You know, hey,

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Speaker 3: I dropped a load of firewood off after work, Like

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Speaker 2: But now you.

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Speaker 3: Can look back on that twenty years later, I want

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Speaker 1: Well they get in a lot of trouble too. I

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Speaker 1: And the same thing, I like, you you will make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, firewood for days. And I told my I remember

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Speaker 2: He just looked at me.

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Speaker 3: He's like, to my house, I make the decisions. You

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Speaker 2: It's just like gosh, I hated.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's got all of his fancy you know,

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Speaker 3: he logged for Warehouser forever growing up, and you have

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Speaker 2: It was just terrible. But yeah, but no, it is.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just different.

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Speaker 3: And these guys like I always called him cheap, but

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Speaker 3: it was like, no, it's how you heated your house.

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Speaker 2: It was the way that they did it forever.

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Speaker 3: You had to cut your firewood, and without that you

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Speaker 3: that was my that was my like growing up. Vacation

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Speaker 3: him and his two brothers and their wives and their kids.

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Speaker 2: We would oh you know, just log that clear cut.

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Speaker 2: It's close to town.

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Speaker 3: We better go get that good, that good firewood while

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Speaker 1: We got the we got crispy boots, we got high

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and yeah, that's the same way. Like my

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Speaker 3: Grandpa expected you to hunt. It was part of the family.

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Speaker 3: It was the thing. It was part of the dynamic.

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Speaker 3: and and I always go to go deer hunting. That

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Speaker 3: because around home, it's you know, you drive to clearcuts,

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Speaker 3: You know, as a little kid, I'm wearing like Dana

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Speaker 3: seven or eight elk tags they had, they usually killed

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00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,680
Speaker 3: six or seven bowls, and we would kill ten deer,

432
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 3: you know, because some of the ladies would hunt and

433
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 3: grandma Grandma would deer hunt and stuff, and that was

434
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,600
Speaker 3: that was kind of my upbringing on just guys that

435
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 3: hunted all the time after after logging, after all of that,

436
00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 3: and they you know, usually we would my dad.

437
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 2: Would pick me up.

438
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, we've seen a good two point buck

439
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 3: to day at work, or we've seen a three point

440
00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 3: buck here, We're gonna go back out and see if

441
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 3: we can't like dig them back up. So I always

442
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,400
Speaker 3: felt like we had a little bit of a head

443
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,640
Speaker 3: start just because those guys were out in the woods

444
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 3: all the time, you know, and my my dad's just

445
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 3: like everybody started as a choker setter, went to chaser,

446
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 3: ended up ultimately you know, running the yard, and then

447
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 3: you finish your career in a log truck or some

448
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 3: guys do because your body starts to get broke down.

449
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, touch on the toughness thing.

450
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 3: Like it's one of those things that like will be

451
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 3: etched in my mind forever. You know, way back in

452
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 3: the day, they didn't have darn tough socks. They didn't

453
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 3: have all the They were the old school wool socks.

454
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 3: The first time you put them on, they'd stretch to

455
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,920
Speaker 3: that size and never never, you know. So I could

456
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,399
Speaker 3: remember like hearing duct tape at three o'clock in the

457
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 3: morning or two thirty. You know, I'm still supposed to

458
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 3: be sleeping for school, but you'd hear that, Like when

459
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 3: that sound of duct tape being pulled tight, you know

460
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 3: and coming off with a roll. That was Dad pulling

461
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 3: his wool socks up and taping them to his shins

462
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: so that the socks would stay up all day. And

463
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 3: then you know, like otherwise you had to deal with

464
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 3: your sock in the bottom of your rubber cor Yeah,

465
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 3: so that was their trick. And then, you know, I

466
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 3: could always tell them. He's like, man, he would tell me,

467
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: don't ever be a logger because you're not tough enough

468
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 3: to do this. He's like, I love you, but you're

469
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 3: just not tough enough and I don't want you to

470
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: have to do this.

471
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: Wow, you're dead dead called you soft a.

472
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 3: Little bit, he's but he's like it is the he

473
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: was trying and then he was trying to help this

474
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 3: case out. He's like, it is the worst thing to

475
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 3: be out there. He's like, we don't live in a

476
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: climate that's quite cold enough. So he's like, you're dealing

477
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: with thirty three to thirty four degree rain.

478
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 2: All day long. He's like, I would love for it

479
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 2: to snow. It will not snow.

480
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 3: So everything's wet, and everything's thirty three degrees as cold

481
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: as you can be, and every day you'd come out

482
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 3: of the hole, he's like, you're soaking wet no matter what.

483
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: Black you know, they.

484
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 3: Called it black iron rain gear, you know, Helly Hanson

485
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: type PVC stuff, and just soak to the bone, and

486
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 3: just like, man, that seems like a miserable way to

487
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 3: get a paycheck.

488
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: My my dad he was a logger in Idoh too.

489
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: That's kind of like the thing you would do when

490
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: you'd moved Idaho back in them days, and and and

491
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of those areas. That's about all there is still.

492
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean, logging is not nearly as big anymore, with

493
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 1: with some of the mills getting shut down and whatnot,

494
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 1: and federal land not getting logged as much as it

495
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: used to. But he used to log a lot fall

496
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,240
Speaker 1: timber whatnot. He eventually moved to the move to be

497
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: a mechanic in the shop, you know it for this

498
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: big logging outfit. And but the same thing at my

499
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,120
Speaker 1: house that made me laugh. Think about what you're saying there.

500
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: My dad too, he's like, you're not ever going to

501
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: be a logger. He my brothers and I. Yet you're

502
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: not getting a job in the woods. What you know.

503
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,239
Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna go logging when I get

504
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: out of high school. No you're not. You're going to

505
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: find something else. Maybe I'll go work at the mill. No,

506
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: you're not working at the mill either.

507
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: No, get out of the timber industry.

508
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: Get out of the timber industry. Do not do it.

509
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 1: You're not allowed.

510
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean growing up in I mean we

511
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: always another debate we love to have is like the

512
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 3: headquarters or the world, the world's headquarters of logging. I

513
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 3: always claim to be like in the heart of it

514
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: here in Southwestwa. Washing and dirt claims that Idaho produces

515
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 3: more wood, and so we argue all the time. But

516
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 3: like growing up around a bunch of loggers, like growing

517
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 3: up there were you know, a logger died every three

518
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: or four years, you know, every two or three years

519
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 3: a logger would die and kind of opened your eyes

520
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: just like and then you're worried. Like as a kid,

521
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: you don't understand like statistics and all this stuff, Like

522
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: my dad's out there doing the same job that that

523
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 3: guy is. And when that choker, you know, broke free

524
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: or snapped, or this cable whipped or the mainline did what.

525
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: I don't understand logging to a t, but like he's

526
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: out in that same damn clearcut or he was the

527
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: first on scene or the first one to respond.

528
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, I don't like it. Yeah, And then prior, right.

529
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: Out of high school, my dad logged it before he

530
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: became the manager of the had a I guess a

531
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 3: log slipped, a choker came off, landing, rolled all the

532
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 3: way down through the unit, and he just happened to

533
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 3: duck behind a stump and got jumped over. And it's

534
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 3: like he quit the next day. He's like, I'm not

535
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 3: doing this, and then ultimately came back to it.

536
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, my uncle he got hit by a big limb,

537
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: one of those like a giant limb out of a

538
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 1: tree hit him in the back after falling a tree

539
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: and broke his back and he was messed up the

540
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: rest of his life. I mean he could walk and stuff,

541
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: but it affected other things to where he couldn't you know, work.

542
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: You know, a good friend of mine his his dad

543
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: was a lifelong timber faller and then went on to

544
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: teach blogging safety. Ironically, he's a he was a he

545
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: was at a logging safety in field session, you know,

546
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: teaching timber falling and whatnot, and somebody fell a tree

547
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: on him, killed him. Yeah, it's crazy. It's just that's

548
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: a crazy dangerous profession.

549
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

550
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,400
Speaker 3: Those guys are are tough and and nowadays we've even

551
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: softened up that career, not to not to throw shade

552
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 3: at loggers, but now you send a tiger cat over

553
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 3: the hill and everything's mechanics, you know, mechanized, and nobody's nobody,

554
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: no boots on the ground, and it's like, yeah, they've

555
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 3: safety is number one, and loggers are I won't say

556
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: a dying breeze. But there aren't near as many people

557
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 3: setting chokers and doing the old school way anymore.

558
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: But those guys still have giant balls.

559
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the stuff I you see him doing.

560
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: It's like they're yo yo, and this machine off this

561
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: cliff and they're shovel logging or whatever. It's like, what

562
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: the hell.

563
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 2: I don't trust that cable that's old.

564
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: No, I have trust issues. Those guys are pretty brave.

565
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to woodsmanship. You're talking a

566
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: lot about that. I think a lot of hunters today,

567
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: especially you know, let's say I call him adult onset hunters,

568
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: they miss out on some of that those woodsmanship fundamentals

569
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: that we had as kids, Like we'd go out and

570
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: cut firewood, or sometimes my dad just like to go

571
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 1: for walks out in the woods. So we lived right

572
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: next to five minute ten minute drive to the woods,

573
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: and we'd go out, and I can remember I was

574
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: pretty young, and we'd go out after dinner or something

575
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: and go take a walk in the woods and him

576
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 1: and my mom and I and we'd walk out these

577
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: old logging roads. He's old brushed in with logging roads.

578
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: And he'd always like, all right, right, which way you know,

579
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: we'd go this way and that way and which way

580
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: back to the truck. Well, if you had to walk

581
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: a straight line, which way would you go back to

582
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: the truck? I think this way no, And you know,

583
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,719
Speaker 1: and over time I kind of figured it out. But

584
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, he always carried out an axe or a hatchet.

585
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: And my dad, everything he owned that was made for

586
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: metal was sharp, like the surface could be knives whatever.

587
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: He loved a sharp instrument. So you have an axe

588
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: or hatchet, what are you carrying that for? Well, in

589
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: case we see run into a bear or something you

590
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: know that wants to get eat us, and we'll have

591
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: a weapon. But so then, you know, I learned how to,

592
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 1: you know, navigate and step over logs. And I remember

593
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: he's like, don't step on the log. Step over the log.

594
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: You step on the log, you're gonna slip and fall

595
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: and run one of them, one of them knots right

596
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: up your butt. You know, you're gonna be in bad shape.

597
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: You know, just learning all those little things how to navigate.

598
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: And then he, you know, he taught me how to

599
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: look for rubs and stuff. He's like, I can show

600
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: you an elk rub or a buck rub that's twenty

601
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: years old. I'm like, no, you can't, you cannot. Like

602
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, look at that tree and it's all

603
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 1: deformed and stuff, and it's looked like it had been

604
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: rubbed twenty years ago, but it healed itself. It didn't die. Healed.

605
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, see that one right there. So you

606
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: learn how to identify all these different things and look

607
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: at the deer droppings and this is a baby, this

608
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: is a big buck or a big bowl or whatever,

609
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: look for scrapes and all that stuff. And man, once

610
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: I started, you know, seeing all these things kind of

611
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: come together. It. Man, I really loved being out there.

612
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: Then.

613
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, by the time I was thirteen, I was

614
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: able to you know, they'd turn me loose, my mom

615
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: had dropped me off, and I'd go wand around them

616
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: same places. So I wasn't gonna get lost. I knew

617
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: the area, and I knew how to get you know,

618
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: keep track of myself and hunt and stuff. So I

619
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: you know, today, you know, you think, God, you'd never

620
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: let a thirteen year old go wander around the woods

621
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: by themselves. But I did have those fundamentals. You know,

622
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: you start out at that baseline to where you learn

623
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: it and then it's not a big deal. So I think,

624
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: you know, darn it, these kids these days just kind

625
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: of miss out on that kind of stuff.

626
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can remember my dad, you know, one

627
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: time showed me the hunt that he wanted me to

628
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 3: start doing for elk, like I'm gonna drop you off here,

629
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: and there was a big, a big long section, a

630
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: big drainage with no roads in it. They hadn't logged

631
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: it in thirty years and showed me one time like

632
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: this is the hunt you're gonna do, you know, over

633
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: and over and I always kind of joke, not that

634
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: I'm a good elk hunter, a great elk hunter, but

635
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: like I was scared to death like at that, like

636
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: I tell everybody, like that's why I decided to start

637
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: killing elk as fast as I could and read the

638
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: sign as good as I could, not dink around because

639
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: I wanted to kill something and get on the radio

640
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 3: and say, hey, guys, this is.

641
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: Where I think I'm at.

642
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna flag myself out to the where I

643
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: think the road is and then I'm not by myself anymore,

644
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: you know, as a twelve year old kid walking around

645
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: in what was the big dark woods with a gun

646
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm way younger than you, Dirk. But

647
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: that was about the time like the first little like

648
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: e treks GPS that started to come out, so I

649
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: could at least.

650
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: Like I was doing this.

651
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: But as we're driving around the road, I'm like trying

652
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: to put all these pins. Uh, you know, you couldn't

653
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: make a trail back then, but I'm like pin the road,

654
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: pin the road, pin the road. So at least I

655
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: knew like where I think the road's gonna be. And

656
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: then you know, like pin the drop off and the

657
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: pick up location. And you know you kind of wanted

658
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: to hide that from Dad that you were using it,

659
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: but yeah, just to keep me safe, Yeah I was.

660
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: I was.

661
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: I ran scared in the woods for the first couple

662
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: of years until I realized, all right, you're not getting

663
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 3: lost every time. You've kind of got this spot figured out.

664
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 3: And then you realize, like the woods aren't that big.

665
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: You can always just walk down to the creek and

666
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 3: walk out, and you're eventually gonna hit a bridge or

667
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: something down at the main line and you're not gonna.

668
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, those guys, though, they would they hunted elk.

669
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 3: They weren't on a certain direction and they would get

670
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: turned around, and you know, like you said, they they

671
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 3: knew where they were at. They would be out all day,

672
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: you know, they'd grab. They wouldn't even not even payper maps.

673
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 2: Back then.

674
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: They would maybe have a sandwich in their pack, probably

675
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 3: no water, you know, the stuff that they needed to

676
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: break an elk down.

677
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: And uh, they got your hatchets, they didn't do a hatchet.

678
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: They probably had an old buck knife one ten with

679
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: the gold ends on it in there, maybe some rope,

680
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: maybe some fire starter, I doubt it.

681
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: And then like a jan sport type backpack.

682
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, just.

683
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: Fifteen dollars floppy backpacks they'd wear and that was it

684
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: and they weren't prepared. And then you know the pack

685
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: out stuff is funny. You talk about how tough dads

686
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: are and like nowadays we've got you know, we've had

687
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: the luxury of in the past packing stuff out in

688
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: KAfari is now you know, the new initial scent packs

689
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: or packing stuff amazingly, the carbon fiber this and that.

690
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: I remember the old military packboards came out and for

691
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 3: those of you that have never seen them, they're like

692
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: a little kind of a wide U channel and then

693
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: somebody just stretched canvas across them and like this is

694
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: what you guys are gonna It's almost like somebody figured

695
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: out a way to bend plywood in a loop and

696
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: then stretch canvas over. I'm like, these things are terrible,

697
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 3: but you know that's what those guys knew, is like

698
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: that was their pack boards.

699
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: Just terrible.

700
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: My dad, he's see, he kind of got disenchanted with hunting,

701
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, because, like I say, he was older than me.

702
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: But if he couldn't do it like he did back

703
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: in the forties in fifties, then he didn't want to

704
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: do it anymore. Right. He was like, man, I don't

705
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: want to get out there and beat the brush and

706
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: spook out to some other people. You know, He's like,

707
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: I want to have a good quality experience all by myself.

708
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: So he didn't. He just kind of quit hunting. We'd

709
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: go road hunting, you know, he'd drive around and I'm

710
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: a hundred percent sure he didn't want to shoot anything.

711
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: I think it was all about driving around, listening to

712
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: the radio and eating goodies, you know, eating eating candy bars.

713
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: But but he would tell me, like, make sure you

714
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: shoot something it's close to the road. We're not packing anything.

715
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're going to load this thing hole because

716
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: that meat doesn't help you a bit. Every time that

717
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: meat doesn't help you a bit. And then I start

718
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: hunting the mountains right the back country, and he would

719
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: he would just like, do not shoot anything down. Do

720
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what you think you're doing.

721
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: He would say, I don't know what you think you're doing.

722
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: That meat won't help you a bit packing it out,

723
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: and you know he's he had those same stupid old packs.

724
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: And by the time I first started hunting the back country,

725
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: we had those, you know, technology got a lot better.

726
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: We had them old aluminum framed ones with the little

727
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: droppy down table that you'd the meat shelf thing you'd

728
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: buy for about forty seven dollars, and they worked like

729
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: they lasted and worked like they were sold for forty

730
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: seven dollars. They were complete garbage. My brother called them

731
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: torture devices. But but so yeah, he but luckily we

732
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: hunted you know, flat country until I don't know, it

733
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: was probably early twenties before I started hunting back country.

734
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: So we loaded a bunch of l hole, you know,

735
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: with a with a come along in the back of

736
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: the truck, and you could if you could find an

737
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: old logging road that would get pretty dann close to

738
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: wherever he kills him.

739
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's uh.

740
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of our pictures of you know,

741
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: we didn't take a lot of pictures back then, but

742
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: you know pictures of the cooler and stuff for yeah

743
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: half you know elk that are had and split, you know,

744
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: but they came out in the truck.

745
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: Hole like, well how does that work?

746
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 3: Well, when you you know, with a bunch of loggers,

747
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 3: they'll either one figure out how to set up straps

748
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 3: and blocks and tackles and run hay wire. You know,

749
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: it's like everybody around here has sections of haywire or

750
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: now they just drive around with the spools in the

751
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: back of their truck. You know, they mount those big

752
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 3: spools a cable in the back of their truck. And

753
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 3: these loggers, you know, I was terrible, like you gotta

754
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: you gotta go on a straight line. You're gonna sidewash everything,

755
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: and you know, and I'm like I did it once

756
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: and I think then never again, Like you're not doing that.

757
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: Those guys, Yeah, those guys were a lot better at

758
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 3: running it straight. But I was like on the truck

759
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: and I just you know, you realize that when you

760
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: feel like you're moving at any speed, the elk or is.

761
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: Flying up the hill. You know, I remember on the

762
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: radio like sell your ass down, you.

763
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: Know, but so yell range grandy gear.

764
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, they're like the elks jumping ten feet

765
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: off the ground. Slow down, and you know, we gotta

766
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 3: everything out hole for the most part unless they killed

767
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 3: them down the timber. And that's when the old green

768
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: packboards came out. But about twenty years ago these caps

769
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: and winches or chainsaw winches, yeah, came out and then

770
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: everybody had those around and so we started packing them

771
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: out hole that way. So but the one thing that

772
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: frustrated me is is that crossed over time where my

773
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: dad and uncles were still getting after it, but I

774
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: was trying to like make my own spot and what

775
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 3: I knew and maybe different from.

776
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: What they knew.

777
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, by the time you guys drive all the

778
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: way home, get your blocks and tackles, do this, and

779
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 3: do that, I could have this thing skinned, hung up, corded,

780
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 3: and we had already been to the truck before you guys,

781
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 3: ever ran a dang piece of cable. So like, it

782
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: frustrated the heck out of me that it took so

783
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 3: long to get these things out when if we would

784
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 3: just skin it on the ground, get out of here.

785
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: Like they always frustrated me about these old timers. It

786
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: was going to be their way and it was coming out.

787
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: Keep the meat cleaner. It's gonna taste better. We're not

788
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 3: gonna lose as much. I'm like, we don't lose. I'm

789
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: not arguing with you old timers that you guys all know.

790
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: My brother in law, he was kind of still on

791
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: that kind of same mode of operation, Randy, you know Randy,

792
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: And he killed him and his boy killed a bowl

793
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: one day down on this crap hole and he's like, hey,

794
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: come and help us get out, and we're gonna call

795
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: our buddy Ritchie. And he's got a wench on his

796
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: side beside. We're gonna weinch this thing out of here.

797
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, this thing must be in a really

798
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: bad place if you're gonna winch it out. So but

799
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: I grabbed my pack and go down in there. And

800
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 1: I get there, I'm like, and he killed Across there's

801
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: a big steep kind of a ravine, and then across

802
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: it was where the elk was laying, and half of

803
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: the elk was laying there, and he had half of

804
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: a hanging on a on a log that was across

805
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: the creek cooling, and I'm like, you know, Randy, if

806
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: I said, I bet, if we just cut them quarters up,

807
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: we could pack that thing up this steep ravine and

808
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: be out of here in no time compared to wenching

809
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: it out. He's like, oh no, no, it's wench This

810
00:36:55,560 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: is gonna be good, and like, all right, so start

811
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: wenching this thing the front half of the elk. I

812
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't listen to this, could it be bad?

813
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: And I told it, but he started winching this elk

814
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: out of there, like well, the thing was skinned out already,

815
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: so he laid down like a bed sheet. He got

816
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: a bed sheet from stolen from his wife's linen closet, Like, hey,

817
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 1: Dinah's gonna be pissed at you for using that bit.

818
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: So they laid this elk on this bed sheet and

819
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: started wenching it out. Well, if you can imagine how

820
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: good that worked. The have a bed sheet tore immediately

821
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: and the meat started getting dirty, and then they had

822
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: the cable came unhooked and they got about three quarters

823
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: away out up this ravine and the cable come unhooked

824
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: and it just tumbled back to the bottom to start over,

825
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: start over, and I'm like, all right, f this. I

826
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: run down there and I start, I carve off a

827
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: hind quarter. I said, I'm going to have this whole

828
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: back half of this bull packed out before you guys

829
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: even get halfway that thing halfway drug out. Oh no,

830
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: no you won't. So not to say I'm superman or anything.

831
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: It wasn't that. It wasn't that big of a pack. So,

832
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: you know, hindquarter hip socket, cut it off, all right,

833
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: packed it up, went down, got the other one packed

834
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: it up. You know, they hadn't They hadn't quite got

835
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: that that front half of the all the way up

836
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: yet by the time you finished. Yeah, And and the

837
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: hind quarters were nice and clean too. They weren't. They

838
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: weren't all covered, and it looked like they shake and

839
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 1: maked it, you know, with the pine needles and dirt.

840
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 2: Did you tell Randy told you so by the time

841
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 2: he got there.

842
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't, But he was because he was frustrated.

843
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: He was so frustrated with the whole winching process. And

844
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, man, guys, I really appreciate it. You guys,

845
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 1: I'll give you some of this meat. I'm like, I'm good.

846
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I don't need a much of dirt and hair and

847
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: dirty meat. But so thinking back, Jason, can you think

848
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: of a time like a like a maybe maybe your

849
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: earliest memory of elk hunting with your dad or hunting

850
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: in general made none have to be out ay, but

851
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: just hunting with your dad.

852
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'll uh this is this is gonna ellude

853
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: a little bit. And uh, I think it's been seven years, right, Yeah,

854
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: I'm forty almost forty two. So back then, Warehouser always

855
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: played stupid games with gates and access and so I'm

856
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: gonna paint this picture and hopefully this doesn't change anybody's

857
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: opinion of me. But you could get to this area,

858
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: but you weren't supposed to go through this gate for

859
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: no other reason, Like I said, my dad logged, he knew,

860
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: you know, where all the equipment was, and there was

861
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: a gate you weren't supposed to go through. So I

862
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: can remember it being dark and my one uncle getting

863
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: out of the truck and he put some gloves on

864
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: and he goes and rips the sign off of the

865
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: tree and then we proceed to go through that gate.

866
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: It was like so like so we're going through you're

867
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: not supposed to go this way, but you could go

868
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: around like fifteen minutes. So that was like the start

869
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: of the morning.

870
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: You know. It was a little kid, You're like, what the

871
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: heck are we doing?

872
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: Ye and my dad, my dad had been it was

873
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 3: pretty close to town and and a real giant forky

874
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: and for those around here, like some of our blacktails

875
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: around here, you know, a big fork and horns, a

876
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: good buck around here, and one that he wanted to

877
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 3: go after. And I remember going up to this this

878
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 3: clear cut, and uh.

879
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 2: I'm maybe six years old.

880
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 3: I just somehow like finally graduated to actually being able

881
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 3: to It was like that year between like I was

882
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: unmanageable and the but I was finally old enough to

883
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: like probably not getting the way for a deer hunt.

884
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,919
Speaker 1: You quit grapping your pants.

885
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, finally yeah, yeah, at six, I was a

886
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: self maintained man at.

887
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: That point life yon butt.

888
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

889
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 3: And so I can remember we go up there, everything

890
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 3: works to plan. My dad sees the buck, shoots it,

891
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 3: and then uh, there was actually a road around It's

892
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 3: kind of a horseshoe clear cut. There's a road around

893
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: the other side, actually pretty flat going in there, and

894
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 3: I was stoked, like Dad just killed a buck. I

895
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: was here my first day ever, Like I'm as you know,

896
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: a big good luck charm and uh. We we get

897
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: to going and I we're about five feet in off

898
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 3: the road on a tree and I get stung in

899
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: the eye by a bald face hornet. Oh, and I

900
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 3: remember this is like goes back to a little bit

901
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 3: of like I thought I was dying. But Dad says,

902
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: you're fine, You'll be fine, and we go get the deer,

903
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: and I'm just having the hell Like now I hate

904
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 3: everything about deer hunting At this point, I don't care

905
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: that he killed the deer. I'm like six years old.

906
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: My eye is swelling up like terrible can see. And

907
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: but you know, he was just like the notion, like

908
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: rubbed some dirt on it. You'll be fine, You'll be fine.

909
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: And I remember getting home and my mom just like

910
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 3: freaking out, like you didn't bring.

911
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: Him home right away. You finished up the deer.

912
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: You finished you went down to Grandma, you know, down

913
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: to the meat shop and took care of it and

914
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: all of that. And that was like my very first

915
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 3: hunt I ever got to go on. Remember it very

916
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: very well because of that and then that same year,

917
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: but I got to go the night before all season

918
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: just to scout, you know, looking glass, and it was

919
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 3: Grandpa and me and my dad for some reason that

920
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 3: had set up that way, and I can remember I

921
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: had my hand out the window and around home we

922
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 3: have wild blackberries and we have the big like Himalayan blackberries,

923
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: the big thorns, and I had my hand out coming

924
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: around a corner. And I can remember just like because

925
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: everybody would go down to Grandma's always, they always call

926
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: it like the Knights of the round Table. They would

927
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: meet up the night before like who's going where? Like

928
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: who saw more than one legal bowl? Like this is

929
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 3: a strategy to kill the most amount of balls on

930
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 3: opening morning. And I can remember that just laying on

931
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: the couch, like my hand was just ripped apart. And

932
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: those were like my first two earliest memories. Terrible stung

933
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: in the eye by a b and my hand just

934
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: torched by a BlackBerry bush.

935
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: But uh, I'm surprised. You're just not a bookworm nerd.

936
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you're a nerd, but you're not a bookworm.

937
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,760
Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't.

938
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know even now if i'd have

939
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 3: been tough enough for both of those things not to hurt.

940
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: But back then I was mad. I didn't want to

941
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: be out in the woods anymore. This place is terrible.

942
00:42:59,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 2: It hurt.

943
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 1: Both those things would be terrible. Oh I got I've

944
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: had like a BlackBerry thorn barely get me, and I

945
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: thought I was gonna die.

946
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 3: I drugged my hand right through like old growth blackberries,

947
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 3: and uh, just terrible.

948
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: But no, those were the very first two memories.

949
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: And then yeah, is it wasn't so my my family

950
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: dynamic is is all over the place because I had

951
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,240
Speaker 3: a younger brother too, So like when I finally started hunting,

952
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: my brother was finally able to start going out. So

953
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: I did a lot of my hunting with Uh. I

954
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: called my uncle Brad, but it's really my dad's cousin.

955
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the sixth brother of the group.

956
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 3: And then I also got to hunt with my grandpa

957
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 3: and grandma quite a bit, so I just never knew where,

958
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, I can remember my you know, hunting with

959
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 3: Grandma and Grandpa was like an old Alabama tape and

960
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: the tape deck cranked and you know, Grandma and Grandpa,

961
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: you know, just thinking around driving in the woods, and

962
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: Grandpa always tried to get me to shoot his deer

963
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: well before I was supposed to be able to hunt.

964
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 3: So that was that's why I liked to go with Grandpa.

965
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: He was a little more patient my dad at that

966
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: time when he finally started to like me. Before this

967
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 3: time he didn't like me. But now that I was

968
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 3: old enough for Grandpa, I felt like Grandpa was like

969
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 3: he'd go over over and beyond and be super patient.

970
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 3: Why he couldn't get the deer in the scope, and

971
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: yeah he would, Yeah, I gotta spend a lot of time,

972
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 3: but yeah, first time with Dad is being stung in

973
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 3: the eye by a bald face hornet and then hands

974
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: through the briers.

975
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: How about you, man, man, I didn't. Mine were actually

976
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: a pretty good experience to a degree, so my first

977
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: time to go. Then then we went hunting close to home.

978
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: There walked up just weird deer hunting, you know, walking

979
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: these old these old logging roads, and I know my

980
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: dad was probably like, I take this kid hunting. This

981
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: is going to be a mess. That's why he quit fishing,

982
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, is because he had sons. And then he

983
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: said he always said, he's like, well I quit fishing

984
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: when I had sons, because all I do is spend

985
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: my time on tangling their lines and tying tying lures

986
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: back on their line for them, because you know how

987
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: kids are, You get hung up and snap off your

988
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: lure every five minutes. But so I can imagine he

989
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, where do I got to take this kid?

990
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: So we went out, and I remember exactly all these

991
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: places where he took me. It's so vivid in my mind.

992
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how old I was. I'd probably say

993
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: it probably seven or eight years old. And the neighbors

994
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 1: had had a yard sale and there was a couple

995
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: of bows over there, So and I bought a couple

996
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: of these little fiberglass bows. One was one was probably

997
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: like a twenty five pound bow and the other one

998
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: was like a thirty five pound bow. Anyway, I could

999
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: pull at the twenty five pound bow. So I got

1000
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: a couple of couple of cedar arrows, and I'm I'm

1001
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: going to go hunting. So I packed that stupid thing

1002
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: around and we saw deer and every time, you know,

1003
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: you kind of se him about one hundred yards away

1004
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: or whatever and be like, hey, let me, hey, let's

1005
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: get close let me shoot one with this bow. And

1006
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: he's like, no, No, I'm like, why don't you shoot

1007
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: He's like they're too far away, Like that's not that

1008
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: far He's like, And my dad he was like, Nope,

1009
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: if you're not close enough to shoot him in the head,

1010
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: we're not shooting him. That That was his like, if

1011
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: he didn't shoot it in the head, then he was

1012
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: not going to do it. I don't want to waste

1013
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: any meat and so and but then again back to

1014
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: the things like I don't know if he'd really wanted

1015
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: to kill a deer, you know, he just like walked around. Yeah,

1016
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: I think he just wanted to walk around the woods

1017
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: with a with a gun and try to keep me

1018
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: from being And I remember him be like, be quiet,

1019
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, you're stop, don't step on those sticks. You know.

1020
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: The whole time he was, you know, telling me this

1021
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: and that and stop stop stepping this, and pick up

1022
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: your feet and don't don't clump your feet, you know,

1023
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: and be quiet and walk you know, heal the toe

1024
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: and you know, showing me how to how to how

1025
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: to walk quietly. And he was pretty patient. I guess

1026
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: on that trip, I felt like he was pretty patient.

1027
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: But anyway, we saw deer. He didn't shoot anything. But man,

1028
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: I remember that it was a beautiful evening and we

1029
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: hunted till dark and walked out and it was it

1030
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: was awesome. Is a good experience. And then the other

1031
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 1: one we were hunting. His preferred mode of hunting was

1032
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,359
Speaker 1: road hunting. Drive around the pick up and I don't

1033
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: know why he got shot this deer, because I mean,

1034
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: we used to see there were so many deer. They're

1035
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 1: not that many of these days, but in this area.

1036
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: But man, you drive around one corner, there's deer. You

1037
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: drive around another corner, there's deer. Anyway, Well, he shoots this.

1038
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: I think the deer was just dumb enough for him

1039
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: to jump out of the truck, walk over the edge

1040
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: of the road and shoot it. Shot this dough and

1041
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: we get over there and he starts gutting it. Well,

1042
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: he starts gutting it, pulls the liver out and hands

1043
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: it to me. He's like, here, hold this, and I'm

1044
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: me immediately like, ew, let me know, yuck. You want

1045
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: me to hold that. No, I'm not holding that yucky.

1046
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a kid, I'm squeamish, right, And he

1047
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: gets a little bit grumpy all this. So I have

1048
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: to hold this liver in it, you know, for a

1049
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 1: little kid, it's it's a pretty big object and slimy

1050
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: and slippery and warm and yucky feeling. So I had

1051
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: to hold this liver the whole time, and I'm just like,

1052
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: you know.

1053
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 2: Pouping about it.

1054
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 1: And anyway, we get good done and he drags a

1055
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: deer to the truck and loads it up. So but

1056
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: I did not want to hold the deer liver, and

1057
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, I almost it almost had

1058
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 1: some PTSD, Like I didn't even want to touch guts

1059
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: or liver for a long for a long time, and

1060
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 1: it was like I'd think about shooting a deer some days.

1061
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to touch all those yucky guts.

1062
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: That's gross, that's yucky. And then I don't know, somehow,

1063
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: after I got my first deer, it didn't seem to matter.

1064
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: It's like, man, I get them guts out of there

1065
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: and cut them up. Wow, look at that. But that

1066
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: was that was my first couple of memories of hunting

1067
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: with my dad and my brother. And you said, you know, yeah,

1068
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: your brother was younger. My brothers were older, and my

1069
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: brother is just older than me. Lance and him and

1070
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: I used to hunt a lot together too. He take

1071
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: me hunting, and he was kind of grumpy, like my dad,

1072
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: you know a little bit like hey, you know, pick

1073
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: up your feet. Yeah, he correct, Yeah, trying to teach

1074
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: me how to be quiet and hunting. But we hunted

1075
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot as a kid and then through school and

1076
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: later on in life there, but had a lot of

1077
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: good times.

1078
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 3: Right now, I know I don't want to be that guy,

1079
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: but I feel like the tables have turned now when

1080
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 3: we hunt, Like I've yelled at my not yelled, but

1081
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: like had to get strict with my dad, like I said,

1082
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 3: don't get up yet. Like we were in Colorado a

1083
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: couple years ago. I had drawn a deer tag and

1084
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: I had, you know, you just experience and getting better

1085
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: and reading, like we had bumped a few deer below us,

1086
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 3: but we knew they were going to come out in

1087
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: the open, and I'm like, well, don't get up, like

1088
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: we don't want to spook them the second time, Like

1089
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 3: just they're gonna come out in that opening.

1090
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 2: Just bed down and get on your gun and.

1091
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 3: I'll tight And so my dad can't see him, so

1092
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: he's up looking all over and I'm like, Dad, now

1093
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: they've seen us again.

1094
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 2: Like I just get back on the gun, you know.

1095
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: So I feel like, so now you're correcting your yeah, yeah, like.

1096
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 2: The tables have turned, Like I'm like, what are you doing?

1097
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: Not that not that you don't know what you're doing,

1098
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: but you just did what I said don't do And

1099
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: now like I told you, so, now you got shoot

1100
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 3: at a deer. We have to hope he stops again.

1101
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: Ultimately killed it. But it's like I I catch myself like,

1102
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: don't be don't be a jerk, Like he's the one

1103
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: that taught you everything, but what.

1104
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: Are you doing?

1105
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: Well? My after my first year of bow hunting, then

1106
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: my dad's like, wow, that's because he was always like

1107
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: anti bow hunting. Them damn bow hunters. He used to

1108
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: say that all damp flippers. Yeah, yeah, all they do

1109
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: is wound stuff. And then I and my first year,

1110
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: I was lucky and got and killed a bowl the

1111
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: first year and he's like, oh, you know that's kind

1112
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: of cool. And you know, I tell I'd go hunting.

1113
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: I'd go hunting every day of season, even after I killed.

1114
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: I'd go with my buddy Randy, my brother in law.

1115
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: Now but we're best friends in high school and so

1116
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: we kept on hunting. You're trying to get him an elk,

1117
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, every morning before school, every evening after school.

1118
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: And I would tell my dad all the stories of

1119
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: calling in bulls and messing with them, and he kind

1120
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: of got the bug too. So he ended up buying

1121
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 1: a bow, learned how to shoot it. So opening day September,

1122
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: and that was September first, It opened on September first.

1123
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: Back then was nineteen ninety. He he went with us

1124
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: on opening day and bulls were bugling and we chased

1125
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: him around and you know, and he was we got

1126
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: back to truck, I'm like, hat, did you get pretty excited?

1127
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,280
Speaker 1: Was that fun? He's like, ah, yeah, it was okay.

1128
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, he was one of those guys he wouldn't

1129
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: want anybody to know he was excited about anything. Yeah,

1130
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: or had a good time, you know, pretty.

1131
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: Pretty something's okay, it's it's pretty awesome.

1132
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: Pretty stoic. He thought it sucked, could have been like stupid,

1133
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, he was pretty stoic. Yeah, it

1134
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: was okay. And then we get we get to the

1135
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: truck to leave, and he's like, where's my keys? He

1136
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 1: couldn't find his keys, well, we could hear bulls and

1137
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: we could see bulls bugling from the truck, and so

1138
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: it was exciting right off the bat. Right, couldn't find

1139
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: his keys, well, he misplaced the keys. He just kind

1140
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: of threw him in the in his toolbox in the

1141
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: back of the truck, you know. So we started high

1142
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: and low, and he thought he'd lost him out in

1143
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: the woods, and here they were right there. It's like, oh,

1144
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: I guess you did get a little excited, didn't you know?

1145
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: He opened it up and got his bow out and

1146
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: threw the keys in there.

1147
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, my dad's first archery all hunt was yeah,

1148
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 3: they don't they had really they would scout and they

1149
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 3: would hunt, but they didn't have to scout as like

1150
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: scout scout. They were just in the woods driving the

1151
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: crummies to the logs, you know whatever. And so Dad,

1152
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 3: when I started, I was the first in the family

1153
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 3: to pick up a bow and get the hunt in September.

1154
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 3: Everything all this was always an early November elk cunt.

1155
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 3: That's how they knew elk muzzloader a little bit. But

1156
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 3: our muzzloater season used to be laid enough in October

1157
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 3: no bugling, nothing, So it was really just and so

1158
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: they didn't realize that there were that many elk in

1159
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 3: the woods, that many elk congregated in certain spots. And

1160
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 3: I had kind of learned to walk in area. Where

1161
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 3: got my dad a nice bike back then was twenty

1162
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 3: years ago though, so you know, when my old man

1163
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: was still in good shape in his forties, probably about

1164
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 3: the same age I was, and we started just riding

1165
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 3: by legal bulls after legal bowl. He's like, what are

1166
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: we doing? We you know, because I grew up, you

1167
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 3: kill every legal bowl that you can. I said, well,

1168
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 3: we can always come back to these, Like there's no

1169
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: bowhunters around back then, there was nobody bow hunting, Like

1170
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to find this big one I've been watching

1171
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: all right, all right, but I could just remember it

1172
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: like it chapped his ass that we were riding by

1173
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: twenty legal bulls to go find something that was further

1174
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: away from the truck. And yeah, he just he couldn't

1175
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: wrap his head around what the heck we were doing

1176
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 3: out there.

1177
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: My dad would always say before I'd go hunt, and

1178
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, now listen. He would just like set

1179
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: me down, like like this is real talk. Listen, and

1180
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: I knew it was coming. Every time he's like, if

1181
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: he can shoot a real nice dry cow, don't don't,

1182
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: don't shoot any those stinking bulls. He's like, they got

1183
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: they're real pissy, you know, they piss all over their bellies,

1184
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: they're all stinky. Shoot shoot a real nice dry cow,

1185
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: dry one. If he can't, you know, a cow that

1186
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: didn't have a calf. If he can, because oh those

1187
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: are the best eat I'm like, okay, I'm I'd act like,

1188
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,479
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's exactly what we do. And then I'd

1189
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: go kill a bull. He'd be like, oh, you got

1190
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: one of them damn pissy bulls again. Oh he was

1191
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: happy that you could tell he was happy, you know,

1192
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: but that would be his comment every time another one

1193
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: of those pissy bulls, and his when we we we

1194
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 1: we'd got the thing. He's like, all right, here's how

1195
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: you got to take care of these bulls. And he

1196
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: would cut off from like the main, like like the

1197
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: shaggy part of the main as far as the piss

1198
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: would go. He would make a rug, basically skin out

1199
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: a rug that would go all the way down the belly, down.

1200
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: To the.

1201
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: Down to the frankin beans right, and he would take

1202
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: off that big rug you know, and skin that off first.

1203
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: That way there's no piss that would get on the

1204
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: meat whatsoever.

1205
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: You know.

1206
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: Pretty funny.

1207
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 3: No, I mean we did. I think we accomplished that.

1208
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 3: I guess our hands are probably in that that area.

1209
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, you pulled away. But that's funny.

1210
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: Well well yeah, well well if you think about it.

1211
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: So we're usually typically you know, how many times bowls

1212
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: have you gutted lately?

1213
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: And there's usually just none belly stays on. We don't Yeah,

1214
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: take that, I don't touch that.

1215
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's funny. So the first bowl I

1216
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: brought home that I ever did that gutlass meth and

1217
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: I was explaining it to him. He's like, hmm, I

1218
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: don't know about that gut him. I'm like, no, you

1219
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 1: And I told him and I showed him like, yeah,

1220
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: you know all that pissy belly, he's nowhere near the meat,

1221
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, explain it, you know, he cut off the meat.

1222
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: So then he eats a package of the meat. He's like, yeah,

1223
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think you might have did something wrong,

1224
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: but not getting that ding this meat taste pit gaming.

1225
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, it's all in your head, you know.

1226
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 3: No, it's it's funny you mentioned that like not only

1227
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: well not necessarily that much like getting the rug off,

1228
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: but like you didn't have time to take a picture

1229
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 3: of that. Deery just killed because the guts were of

1230
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: the utmost important. If you didn't have the guts out

1231
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 3: in five seconds, it was gonna ruin every I'm like,

1232
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: I don't.

1233
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 2: Yeah we did. We weren't throat, we didn't cut throats.

1234
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: But I'm like, back then, for like Christmas, I would

1235
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 3: always want like the Moss Back DVDs or the you know,

1236
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: the Steve Chapel deep whatever they were, like the people that.

1237
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 2: Were hunting the giant meal dear, And I'm like.

1238
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: But these people shoot something and they instantly say, we're

1239
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: gonna leave it till tomorrow. And then now that I

1240
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: know what, I know they some of these people might

1241
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: not even ate the elk. But like, these people are

1242
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 3: leaving stuff overnight all the time, why do I get

1243
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: the guts out in five minutes? And now that I know,

1244
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: it was just like an old, an old school way

1245
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 3: of thinking, like the gots, you gotta get.

1246
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: Him out right away, I get them away.

1247
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 1: Them things will go bad. Which is funny because I

1248
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: hunted with my mom probably more than my dad ever,

1249
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, because she would he was always working, right,

1250
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: but she would always take me hunt and drop me

1251
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: off or sometimes she'd go along. And my mom always

1252
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: had a camera with her. She's taking pictures all the time.

1253
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: In fact, if you look at pictures of my dad,

1254
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: he's just like, oh, the put the camera away. But

1255
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: she's like, okay, everybody look in. So my dad he

1256
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: would be like, he wouldn't even look at the camera,

1257
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of look off this way or

1258
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: that way. You want to look at the camera because

1259
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: she was taking so many pictures all the time. But

1260
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: the good thing was is having her around hunting with me.

1261
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: She could take a picture of me if I killed something.

1262
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: So I do have a few pretty decent field photos

1263
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: of me with stuff I killed because my mom was

1264
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: there with it with a camera, so.

1265
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: Not me, I don't think until I was way out

1266
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 3: of high school. Well I have a picture that isn't

1267
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 3: it the meat shed of just us, like the heads

1268
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: tipped up, you know, whoever killed that opening morning or whatever.

1269
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 3: Everything is just nothing in the field until you know

1270
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: way later.

1271
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, which sucks. But so, how how tall is your dad?

1272
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 3: My dad, my real dad or the guy that claims

1273
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: to be the guy that I grew up with. Now

1274
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 3: I don't my dad is uh and this is a

1275
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: generous five foot eight, five foot nine.

1276
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: Okay, how tall are you?

1277
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: Six foot four? Wow?

1278
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 3: So I mean this is a Father's Day post, but

1279
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 3: maybe there should be like a Dad's Day because I

1280
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: don't know who my father is. Maybe I think I

1281
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: might either got mixed up in the at the hospital

1282
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 3: or the milkman may have been six' four plus or

1283
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: minus a little. Bit but, no me and my, dad

1284
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: my great grandpa was a big, guy but like nobody

1285
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 3: really in Our like it was. Weird my generation popped

1286
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 3: up and me and my cousins are six, three six

1287
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 3: four and the big, dudes yeah my my dad, uncles you,

1288
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 3: know one of them six foot but nobody's. Really but

1289
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 3: LIKE i, said that's kind of the running, joke is

1290
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 3: like we talk About Father's, day but, YEAH i just

1291
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 3: call you dad because you raised.

1292
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: Me i'm not so.

1293
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: SURE i. DON'T i don't look in the mirror and

1294
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: see see my. Dad everybody everybody looks at me, now

1295
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: especially now because my, dad you, know he had gray

1296
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 1: hair and dray everything for a long. Time now that

1297
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: my face is gray and, white then they're, like, man

1298
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: you look LIKE i look like like a lot like your.

1299
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: Dad but my dad was five, eight you, know five ten,

1300
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: maybe But i'm six, one you, know always quite a bit.

1301
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: Bigger he was kind of a skinny, guy And i'm not.

1302
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: Skinny, yeah that's another THING i failed to. Mention i'm big. Boned,

1303
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 2: yeah we have we're different.

1304
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 3: There my dad's one hundred and sixty pounds soko wet

1305
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 3: And i'm two hundred and sixty pounds.

1306
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 2: Dry.

1307
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, man but, WELL i don't know if we ever

1308
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: figured out whose dad was, tougher but sounds like we

1309
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: both had some pretty cool. Dads.

1310
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 3: YEAH i, think LIKE i said at the, beginning not

1311
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 3: to it was more of a joke to talk. About

1312
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 3: BUT i think IT'S i think it's safe to say

1313
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: that the older, generation the further you go, back the

1314
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 3: tougher people, got and especially you know in that that,

1315
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: life you, know, war, marines, logging just forces and lack of.

1316
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: TECHNOLOGY i think we can all say that those guys

1317
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: were tougher.

1318
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: Than, nails tougher than. Us yeah for, Sure, yeah, sure, well,

1319
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: man it's great to catching up a little bit. HERE

1320
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: i just got home from a black bear hunt In

1321
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: alaska here last, week and IF i had one word

1322
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: to Describe alaska and bear, hunting a black bear, HUNTING

1323
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: i could sum it up with the word. Wet it

1324
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: was really wet in the, outfitter and the guide, said,

1325
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: yeah it was uncommonly. Wet they're, like it rains a

1326
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 1: lot up, here but it rained for nine days. STRAIGHT

1327
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: a couple of days it cleared off and we had

1328
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of, sunshine but then it would go

1329
01:00:58,920 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: right back to rain.

1330
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: Again did you start to build a? ARC i?

1331
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: DID i, DID, i but but there's not a lot

1332
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: of where we were. At there wasn't a lot of big,

1333
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: trees so we had to nail together a lot of

1334
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: little ones and then you, know rent out of. Nails but.

1335
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 2: Gotcha.

1336
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 3: Yeah we we finished up the bear hunt In, idaho

1337
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 3: and then on the on The dad's, Theme Washington draws

1338
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: came out yesterday and nobody knew anything but my. Dad

1339
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 3: so my dad drew his first quality deer tag after

1340
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 3: fifteen years of me putting him. In he drew and he's,

1341
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 3: like what unit DID i? DRAW? I, said, WELL i

1342
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 3: put you in for. Here where's? That so that's that's

1343
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 3: that's where we're at in this modern, day modern age

1344
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: relationship between me and my dad and. Hunting he's, like

1345
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 3: here's my credit, card here's how you log. In just

1346
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 3: put me in for what you think the right terrain

1347
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: and the right type of hunt.

1348
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 2: Is and, yeah so, YEAH i get.

1349
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 3: Them going to try to fall is getting pretty, busy

1350
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 3: but going to try to squeeze that in between My

1351
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 3: montana deer trip and My New mexico ol. Somewhere he's

1352
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 3: got the season he drew is pretty liberal from like

1353
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: the third to the twenty fifth, dates so should have

1354
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 3: quite a bit of time in there to to get him.

1355
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: Out. Cool, Cool i'll be excited about. That that'll be.

1356
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 1: Fun all, Right, WELL i think we'll wrap her up and,

1357
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 1: uh we'll catch everybody on the next.

1358
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 2: Episode take. Care m.

1359
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: M m hm hm.

1360
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 3: Hmm