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Speaker 2: When I was trying to.

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Speaker 5: like I like, for my tenth anniversary, my wife and

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Speaker 5: I bought uh matching Rolexes with diamonds and stuff like that.

434
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Speaker 1: But the sub Mariner, it's just it's a classic watching

435
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 1: for anything you work out in it, you can do it.

436
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:40,439
Speaker 1: And that's I still have those. I still those are

437
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: my two favorite watches I have.

438
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

439
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 1: But then the cool one of the just things that

440
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: because I've heard of guys getting like ATVs and all

441
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So in third we go thirteen

442
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: and three that year and Carrie Collins was all it

443
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,639
Speaker 1: was quarterback. He goes, hey, I got something for you guys.

444
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: Come out in the back behind the equipment room. There

445
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: was a flatbed trailer at four wheelers, like Honda four

446
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,920
Speaker 1: wheelers up there. Every off the lineman got a Honda

447
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 1: A TV that was pretty cool. So I'd already had one,

448
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: So I left out that one and I said it,

449
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: gave it to my brothers. I had just hold on

450
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 1: and whatever. I come back three months later, where's it?

451
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: Where's the four wheler? Oh? Bro, bills to pay?

452
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: I sold it? Oh no, my brother sold the four wheeler.

453
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Bro, you can't like you gave it to me.

454
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: You even had gave me the title. I said, yeah,

455
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: but if I give you something, make sure we talk

456
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,160
Speaker 1: about it, you know, So learn my lesson on that one.

457
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,959
Speaker 1: But that was the four wheeler was was one. It

458
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: was an unexpected kind of just or something you would

459
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 1: expect her to watch or something like that. But carry

460
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: went off off.

461
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Speaker 2: Those are those are cool?

462
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: I like that.

463
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: I want to go back to Curtis Martin a little bit.

464
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 2: I mean, not only was in an outstanding gift giver,

465
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: but he was my favorite running back to watch for

466
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 2: a couple of years when he was up there with

467
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,119
Speaker 2: the Jets. You blocked for him for seven out of

468
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 2: his ten thousand yard seasons because you maybe just say,

469
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that's already super unique. I don't know a

470
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: lot of running backs that stayed in meetings with the

471
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: offensive lineman to see like, okay, hey, when you're pulling

472
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: in this situation, what is offensive lineman thinking? So then

473
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: I know when he's out there in front of me

474
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 2: what he's thinking. So then I know already know I'm

475
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 2: setting up the block. That's such a unique detail that

476
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 2: most people don't know that running backs, well, especially if

477
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,920
Speaker 2: his caliber, that they did. But maybe just kind of

478
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: go into other details that what made him so great,

479
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 2: what made him so important for that locker room, and

480
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: maybe who he was as a person or a team.

481
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Speaker 1: I think Parcels said it at one time, is when

482
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 1: your best player in the locker room is the best

483
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 1: person in the locker room, maybe just an genuine person,

484
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have a special locker room. And that

485
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: that's what that what Curtis was. That's what Curtis was.

486
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: Treated everybody right, respected everybody. You go in locker room

487
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: with with, you know, your best running back or receiver

488
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, and there's a sense of ego about it.

489
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 1: And and Curtis wasn't that guy. He was humble guy.

490
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: Nobody knows what he did in his off time. I

491
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 1: mean he didn't just I mean he would be one

492
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: weekend he'd be down in Central Park playing chess with

493
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: homeless people, and the next weekend he's out giving food

494
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: out some of it, but you never knew about it.

495
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: He was a very humble person during that time. And

496
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 1: even today. I saw him last night and you ask

497
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: him what he does, and he really can. He's kind

498
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 1: of a mysterious dude.

499
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 3: It's kind of like like Tommy or Martin.

500
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: No one ever knew what he did.

501
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you don't know. But you know, he's not

502
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. He's not being nefarious about anything, he's

503
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: not trying to hide anything. He just he just lives

504
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: his life. And he and he said it in his

505
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame speeches. He told people he said he

506
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: didn't love football. It was just a means to an

507
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 1: end for him. And I'm like, you can't go through

508
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: what I've seen Curtis go through in the times he

509
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 1: spent the training room and not love football. But I

510
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 1: also know, you know, he's a he's a spiritual man,

511
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: a man of faith and is a lot of us are,

512
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: and we're like, you know, we operate on a different

513
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: level for different reasons. And Curtis was that guy. But

514
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,479
Speaker 1: if you ever look at any of his notes and

515
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: how meticulous he writes, like, you know, I don't know

516
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: what your handwriting looks like, but like I'm a chicken

517
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: scratch guy. I only I can read it. But when

518
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: you look at Curtis's notes, yeah, I swear it's like

519
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: the figure out that girl in high school that had

520
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: the best curse of handwriting, that's Curtis. Yeah, his penmanship

521
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,479
Speaker 1: is an incredible note taking was was detailed beyond major

522
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: and so for him to be that guy and how

523
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 1: the success he has is it wasn't just by chance. Now,

524
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: he was gifted with talent and stuff like that, but

525
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: it was meticulous about how he went about his business

526
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: and that's what made it really cool about it, and

527
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: everybody gravitated towards him. He had an end with every

528
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: position group and the team. Everybody wrote what was respected

529
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: in the building. But he made you feel like you

530
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 1: were a part of all that he's doing. And that

531
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: was pretty cool about it. And there was no pretension

532
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: about him or or whatever. So for him for us

533
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: to have me, so we would always and it was,

534
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: you know, thursdays after it's a shorter practice or whatever.

535
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: So then we'd always a line. We'd always get together.

536
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: We'd watch Blitz film, we watched the run cut up tape,

537
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: and Curtis were coming there with us, and it got

538
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: to where we had all the running backs and all

539
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: the tight ends in there with us, and we'd all

540
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: just we just go through it together because he wanted

541
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: to know what he wanted to know what we were

542
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 1: seeing as we ran to play. And but it wasn't

543
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: just in the room. And so how he lived his

544
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: life on a regular basis.

545
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, you talk about gifted and being talented. You got

546
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: a special gift and you got you pretty talented your

547
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: damn self. Like, so your third season you go from

548
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 3: guard to center. That takes a special talent, especially at

549
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: this level. Yeah, to be able to switch positions like that,

550
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 3: how was how was that transition going from guard to tackle.

551
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 2: Was it easy?

552
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 1: Was it hard? It wasn't. So I played center in

553
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: high school exclusively, got signed to LSU to play center.

554
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: I ended up starting to left guard left tackle for

555
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: three years. I played tight end and shot yards. Early on,

556
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: I was starting left tackle, and then my junior year

557
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: I started three games of center, one game at guard,

558
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: four games of tackle. That's the year I made thirteen

559
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: All American in a like a two to nine season.

560
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: And then I got moved to center. My senior year, I.

561
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 2: Was coach then too. He was They didn't they did not,

562
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: They don't.

563
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: So I came under Mike Archer, came into the NFL.

564
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: He went to Virginia and came in the NFL. And

565
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: then the coach took his place was a guy by

566
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: the name of Curly Homan. And what put him on

567
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: the map was he was the head coach at Southern

568
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: Miss who beat Florida State in Alabama in the same season.

569
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: Who was their quarterback? It was Brett Farv And then

570
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: LSU just took a slump. So I was at l

571
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: s U for five of the worst season six seasons

572
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: in the history at school, and uh, I think Brett

573
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: Farv every time I see him, appreciate thanks.

574
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: You did.

575
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: I know what I love. My love for the game

576
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: was greater than my disc take for how our coaching

577
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,679
Speaker 1: staff was, the losing, and my love for LSU. And

578
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: back then nobody transferred you just check quit. Yeah, but

579
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: my love for LSU was greater than all that, and

580
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: my glove for the game was greater than the losing.

581
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: And so I just played ball, you know. And uh

582
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: so I get drafted to play center and I go in.

583
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: I'm a third team center behind Ray Donaldson who was

584
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: a twelve year VET, Joe Tofemeier who was like a

585
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: six or seven year VET, and then there was me

586
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: and that was it. And so we go into the

587
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: second week training camp and the starting right guard hurts

588
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 1: his neck ends up becoming a career kN injury. So

589
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: this guy, Mitch Arrot, God rest his soul. He blew

590
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: his neck out, and so I moved over to second

591
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: team guard while still being third team center. And then

592
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: we go into week four of the season against Indianapolis Colts.

593
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 1: Bill Hitchcock, the starting right guard from I think he

594
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: was from pitt Canadian guy. He gets down in the

595
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: stance snapped the ball. Twenty one guys on the field

596
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: move and Bill's still stuck in the stance, ruptured a

597
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: disc right before right for the snap or something like that,

598
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: So really in his back just for career kN injury done.

599
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: Damn.

600
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

601
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: So now I'm like literally couldn't get out of the stand.

602
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he's like still in his three point stance

603
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there thinking, now I'm next guy up.

604
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: So now I'm playing guard. That's my rookie year. So

605
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: I played guard for the next eleven games and then

606
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm just maintaining the starting guard spot. The whole plan

607
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: was for me to move to center when Ray Donaldson retired,

608
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, they just when Ray left to

609
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: go to Dallas Cowboys. The second season that we brought

610
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: Jim Sweeney in from New York Jets, who's the older guy.

611
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: Which is good because now I got broken into the

612
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: league by Ray. I got taught the game by Jim Sweeney,

613
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: very better than just a savvy guy, and so it

614
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: kind of worked out, and then I got to see

615
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: the game from from that perspective. Yeah, and then I

616
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: finally moved out to I moved into center, but I

617
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: was small man. I wait, my first two years I

618
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: played two seventy five. Yeah, I was small, and Howard

619
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: mud or Mole line coach. You got to get bigger

620
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: than this. So I went from two seventy five to

621
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: three ten in one off season.

622
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: And that was how how much eating.

623
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: It was horrible.

624
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: I was eating.

625
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 3: But they didn't they didn't do nutrition.

626
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't even have kitchen in Seattle at the time. Okay,

627
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: so back then everybody had racketball courts and stuff. Right,

628
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: So we come out of our locker room, hang it right,

629
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: and then there's a hallway that went to the back

630
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: of the building and you take stairs downstairs go to

631
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: Rackaball Court. The hallway was just folding tables that we

632
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: put trays on. And it wasn't telling my second or

633
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: third year that we started getting like breakfast and stuff.

634
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you had to stop by McDonald's

635
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: on the way to work at lunch time. You left

636
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: to go to the Chariokey chicken place right down the

637
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: road when I was in Seattle. And then so finally

638
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: we started getting food and everything was chicken. So we

639
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: call our cook was chicken Joys because everything was baked chicken, chicken, sandwiches,

640
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: chicken fet of cheenie chicken, this chicken, that deal on

641
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,719
Speaker 1: the chicken bro but I ate everything. So in the morning,

642
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: I would make a gallon like majoring picture of peanut

643
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: butter batter, I mean of pancake batter, and I would

644
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: get up they go to work out, come home, eat

645
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: stacked pancakes, big breakfast whatever. And before lunch, if I

646
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: got hunger again, I eating know, stack of pancakes, I mean, dude,

647
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: because I love breakfast, so like, I would literally eat

648
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: a gallon of pancakes, battered like you know, throughout the

649
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: whole day. I went from two seventy five to three

650
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: ten to three months.

651
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 2: It was awful, awful.

652
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: I was thirty eight waisted my pants, you know, I

653
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: was like a skinny guy, looked good at my only

654
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: back of pictures round. See. I was like, god, man,

655
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: I look good in that uniform. And then I go

656
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: from that to where I now wearing size forty two.

657
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: I want to get a new Wars.

658
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: I went from a size thirteen shoe to a size fourteen,

659
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: so my feet spread on me and my back.

660
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 2: Was killed me.

661
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: So I played there for two years. I did okay,

662
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: and I did all right. So then I've become a

663
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: free agent, go to New York and I remember this.

664
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: I weigh in at three o five first day of

665
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: offseason training and we got to run five three fifties

666
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: around the field. John lots o strength coach, and he's

667
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: set in the pace. And I prided myself on the

668
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: running because I knew that I was. I was always

669
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: a rabbit in workouts. So as a jailer, if you

670
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: stay on my tail, I'm going cross right at the line.

671
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: So if you're behind me, you're not gonna make your

672
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: times just but I can pace the scroup man. I

673
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: got to the second three fifty, I was gassed. The

674
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: third one, I didn't make my time. And I'm sitting

675
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: that thinking this is awful, and Parcels is over by

676
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: the locker room looking at it.

677
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: This is your first year, right, this is my first

678
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: year with New York.

679
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: On the high end center. I was like Parcels maybe

680
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: the highest pace center in the history of the league.

681
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: And he said, sothing is I paid this fat bet?

682
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: Be beat? This is much money. You can't even make

683
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: your b be beep. And I'm like John Lott our

684
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: strength coach old country dude, Hey, big Giff, you ain't

685
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: three or five. You can't play this out. I said,

686
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to be this big here. We're gonna

687
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: work on this. So I got down to ninety that year. Yeah,

688
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: and then I go to Camp two ninety, I got

689
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: down to eighty. And so the next next thirteen years

690
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: I played it two hundred and eighty pounds. Word. I

691
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: moved inside in the center, and I figured out and

692
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: then that's why I used all my my kung fu

693
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: and ninja moves. But yeah, so, but so the idea

694
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: of how was that transition from in the middle to

695
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: back inside, It's something I did the whole time, all

696
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: the way from college, all the way through. I didn't

697
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: even I was at the Olie Masterminds a couple weeks

698
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: ago and I told the guys, how you still you

699
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: know you're trying to how do you steal reps in practice?

700
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: You know? How do you get better when it's not

701
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: your turn to go? And my thing is volunteer for

702
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: Scout team. Go play Scout team, man, because that's where

703
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: you can go experiment and screw up. Nobody, nobody knows. Hey,

704
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: as long as you do if you're a DV, as

705
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: long as that receiver catches the ball, you're good. But

706
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: just like I want to, I'm gonna try something different

707
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: my back pedaling, you're going or something like that. So

708
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: I'd go out there. Man, I'm gonna play left tackle

709
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: on Scout team against the Kyle Vandenbosch. Wise, I don't know,

710
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: just because I want to have fun doing it. So

711
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: in my mind, I was one. I was working working

712
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: tools that who knows might work on the inside or whatever.

713
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: But the other part of it is it made practice fun.

714
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: And because I enjoyed practice, I was a guy that

715
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: liked going to practice. But it also it also helped

716
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: me develop skills that if you're just the one position

717
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: guy all the time, you're not going to expand your

718
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: your toolbox. And so like I volunteered for Scout team,

719
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: and then early on when I was playing, when I

720
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: end up starting to guard, I was right up to

721
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: the number two center, so I had to take all

722
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: the one reps at guard, all the two reps at center,

723
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: and then I had to take all the Scout team

724
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: reps at center. So I never came off the practice field.

725
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: I never got a break during practice. And that you

726
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: know so. But I just always prided myself. You canna

727
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: put me on the field if you if your goal

728
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: is to have five, your five best offensive linemen, and

729
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: you're best offense line, and his best position is center,

730
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: move me to guard. I'm gonna be one of your

731
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: best five. I don't care. And that's kind of my mentality.

732
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: That's a small mentality because you're gonna get on the field.

733
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: A quick question, quick answer here. When you played tackle

734
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: in college, how much.

735
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: Did you weigh to forty one? I started in the

736
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: SEC at left tackle at two hundred and forty one pounds,

737
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: this blowing sec.

738
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 2: How I was an athlete?

739
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: Bro, heybody, it's all it's all angles. The whole game

740
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: of football is angles and technique. That's yes, it is

741
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: you get you know, like if I got to pound

742
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: myself against the big guy tech washing four hundred twenty

743
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: pounds whatever he was, and you want me to stop him,

744
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen. But I angle him. I can get

745
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: to that point before he can, and I'll just hunker

746
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: down and play leverage. So and I was a weight

747
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: room guy. I love being the weight roomy. Squatt was

748
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: my favorite exercise how much squat?

749
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: How much just squat all time? Hi? Would you say.

750
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: Single rep like six five six o five?

751
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: Okay?

752
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, cleans, Like I tell

753
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: guys all this time, like I believe it that you

754
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: have to lift weights just as hard during the season

755
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: as you getting off. I love that you have to

756
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: me because that's why you stay healthy. So my goal

757
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: in my sixteenth year in the season was to be

758
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: cleaning hand cleaning at the end of the crew of

759
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: the year as much as I was during my workouts

760
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: in the office in the preseason.

761
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my last.

762
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Year in the NFL, on Thursdays was my clean day.

763
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: I was. I was hand cleaning three fifty and you know,

764
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: but I probably I had to because I had to

765
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: stay strong through the year. But but yeah, I started

766
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: my first game at LSU at left tackle.

767
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: I had to ask because I know the whole weight

768
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: thing was and I kind of creeped up by the.

769
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 1: Time I got drafted. I was like to eighty two,

770
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: seventy nine or whatever it was. But but the problem

771
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: was for me, I lost weight so much during the season.

772
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: So if I go into to eighty, I played down

773
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: to sixty five. So that's why I was had going

774
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: in to ninety and play down to eighty.

775
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: All right, Bill Parcells said, you were the best center

776
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: he's ever had, big compliment. Yeah, there we go. Why

777
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 2: is that such a big competent knowing because he's.

778
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: One of the greatest coaches ever coach the game, And

779
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: to you know, three Super Bowls in New England, two

780
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: of the with the New York Giants. And this is

781
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: so I go to my free agent visit and i'm

782
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: I went to New Orleans, I went to Philly, I

783
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: went to San Diego, I came to New York and

784
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: Parceales was talking about what he needs to win football,

785
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: and his philosophy is, in order to have a winning

786
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: football team, you gotta be strong down in the middle

787
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: of the field. You're running back, quarterback, center, middle, linebacker, safety,

788
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: that's if you If you're strong down in the middle

789
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: of the field, you can make everything else work. And

790
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: he said, until he goes, we were gonna have great

791
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: teams with the New York Giants with Phil Simms and

792
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: all his defense and all that, with Carl Banks and

793
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: lt and all those guys. He goes, but we were

794
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: not going to take it to next level until I

795
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: had a premier center. He goes, that's when I signed

796
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: bart Oates and he reaches back and he grabs a

797
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: binder from behind him like this, he opens up, he

798
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: pulls out his top priorities for this offseason, for this,

799
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: for this free agency class, and number one thing was

800
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: the center. He goes, We're not gonna win here until

801
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: I have a premier center, and you're that guy. And

802
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: I probably I told him so, I'm gonna make good

803
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: on this and I did, and uh, to this day,

804
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I tell maybe he's the best coach I've ever played for.

805
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 1: I love that.

806
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I love when coaches flirt with players too,

807
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 2: Like that's a good way to flirt with you, to say, hey,

808
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: you know.

809
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: It builds you up. Yeah, it builds you. And then

810
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: then you don't want to let him down. Yeah exactly,

811
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: you don't want to disappoint him.

812
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 3: And that's the good coaches know how to do that.

813
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: Though.

814
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 2: I call that the seat up or factor liked his

815
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 2: coaches know the dude.

816
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: Had Yeah yeah, but this is so I got picked

817
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: up from I flew from Seattle to New York, and

818
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: I walked through the Jets facility and they had like

819
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: their All Pro wall and I asked Scott Pioli at

820
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: the time was like, not way up. He was the

821
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: Gopher boy for Parcels. I'm sure his title is higher

822
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: than that. Mike and then uh my Tannehill or Mike Tannama.

823
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: So they were they were the dynamic duo I call him.

824
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: And so I walked by the hall. When was the

825
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: last time I had an All Pro player? They're like,

826
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: we don't know, and it was Winston Hill back in

827
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: like the late seventies earlier's I'll be the next one

828
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: and I made a promise that I was gonna be

829
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: the next guy the next one alignment and I was

830
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: for that team.

831
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: Is there a play that defines who you are? Like,

832
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: we all have our legacy, but is there one play

833
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: that is out there that you that you know of?

834
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 3: And then when we watched that week, say, oh, that's

835
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: Kevin why because he does X Y Z.

836
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: I think there's two that I can think of out

837
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: the top of my head. It's kind of funny. I

838
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: think most guys could answer this question. I'm sure you

839
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: could have about your guys' career. She hate to do it

840
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: because you know, on draft day when you're in college

841
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: and you're not the one getting drafted, like man, I

842
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: hope I'm not to do highlight film, you know, one of.

843
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 2: Those kinds of deals.

844
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: But this is no disreck because because I respect the

845
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: heck out of Zach Thomas. But there's a there's a

846
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: play that's in my highlight reels. Were playing against Zach

847
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: and I pulled from the center spot to a left

848
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: to the left and whether Zach took a wrong angle whatever,

849
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: and I put the right shoulder on, dropped him, never

850
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: lost stride, just kept running and Curtis Martin was right

851
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: behind me the whole time.

852
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 2: Oh like Sunshine and uh in the in the the movie. Yeah,

853
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: remember remember the tight running down there? It was one

854
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: of the d did through it.

855
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Zach put Zack on his back and I just kept

856
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: running through it, chased the next safety down the roay

857
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: and we just kept rolling. That's one because that's when

858
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: my game I was opening. I was known for my

859
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: open field play against the second level guys, screens and

860
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: tosses and all that kind of stuff. And then in

861
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 1: the past game we're playing New York Giants, New York Jets.

862
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: I think it was my last year in in the NFL.

863
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,479
Speaker 2: I can't remember, but.

864
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: There was a throwback game, so they had their New

865
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: York Titans uniform.

866
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: That's why I remember it.

867
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: And uh so it's I passed that and it's a

868
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: slide left, but I'm covered up, so I take my

869
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: nose back. I got him, and the linebacker's got a

870
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: blitz coming and he's not even my responsibility. But once

871
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: I knew, once I locked onto my guy, if I

872
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: can keep my head on a swivel, I can put

873
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: myself in my body in a position to close the

874
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: gap between me and.

875
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 2: The guard or me and the other guard.

876
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: And I saw the linebacker coming to my right side,

877
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: and all I did is I locked this guy out.

878
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: I leaned back in and I just drew a shoulder

879
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: to him, and I like blew a blindside shot. He did,

880
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: He wasn't look no, And I took two guys out

881
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: and the running back got to Scott release and come out.

882
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: He didn't get the ball, but still he didn't have

883
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: to hit my running back. So those are two plays

884
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: that just still awareness, you know, my visual awareness for

885
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: that special awareness.

886
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: All right, Kevin, You know, so the NFL is the

887
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: Honors this year they're gonna have an award too. It's

888
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 2: called Protector of the Year. So the best offensive lineman's

889
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: about time. Okay, I like that, so tell me your

890
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: opinion about them. Finally, give him the award to the

891
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: best offensive linement, and then I have a follow up.

892
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 1: I think it's a hard award to give out because

893
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: there's really no stats, you know now, But here's here's

894
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: you take guys games, say he played eight hundred snaps

895
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: this year and three hundred and fifty have more passing

896
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: games or pass plays, And my idea is they take

897
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: you gotta filter out the ones where he had slide

898
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: help or when this dude was on a island by

899
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: himself against the premier pass rusher, whether it be a

900
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: tackle or nose tackle, whatever, did he get beat and

901
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: I get beat? And how many times? Whats the percentage

902
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: of times did he won that rep or whatever. I

903
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: don't know how they're gonna do it, but that's how

904
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: I envisied it. Like if I get stuck on the

905
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: island by myself against whoever you know, Casey Hampton and

906
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: or whoever the best Nigomigan Sue or Aaron Donald or whatever,

907
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: did I beat him? A higher percentage of times because

908
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: he's a premier pass rusher, And that's kind of how

909
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: I've measured it going. But I think more importantly for me,

910
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: because everybody knows, pass protection is not a single person guy.

911
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: It's a unit. And I think it should be a

912
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 1: unit award. That's how I see it. If you can

913
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: get through the season and you give up less than

914
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: twelve sacks the entire year, you're you know, you're winning

915
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 1: football games. And you know if you only give up

916
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: like ten sacks as a unit for the entire year,

917
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: because what happens is a running back miss is a

918
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: block and the sacks go on the line, yep, you know,

919
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: and and what it does is and a lot of

920
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: people don't know this, but when the quarterback get sacked,

921
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: that they take that off your rushing yards and the stats,

922
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: and so that that damages the offensive lines credibility as well.

923
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: So I think it's a unit. I think it should

924
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: be a unit award, and I think that that's how

925
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: they should go about doing it. And you know, how

926
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: many how many sacks do you give up? What your

927
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: sack ratio the percentage of passes in the game, and

928
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: you come up some mathematical formula for that. But I

929
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: heard that. I was at the ol Line Mass Minds

930
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago they announced that they're going to

931
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: do this award, So I think that's pretty cool.

932
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: What did What would you name the award?

933
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: I like, I love it, Protector of the Year, you know,

934
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: But I would, man, what would.

935
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: The design look like if you could present the award?

936
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: Which how would you?

937
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: Well? Have you guys, you know what the Joe More

938
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: Award is, Yes, the Office Line Award for the greatest

939
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: the best office line college football. It's got to be

940
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: something like that. It's a whole group of guys. Though, Yeah,

941
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: it's the whole five. Man. That's why if it's a

942
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: unit award, it's got it should mimic something like that,

943
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But it could look like,

944
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you take the greatest of so hard because

945
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: you got like, you know, the greatest of the game.

946
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,240
Speaker 1: In my ear, I'm thinking guys like you know, John

947
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: Hannah and and Gene Upshaw and Art Schell and Anthony

948
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: Munos and Munchak. But those guys they say the greatest

949
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: of the game. For them, it's guys gim Otto and

950
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: ring and all those guys that came before them. So

951
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's gonna look like. I don't

952
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: know who you call it, what you call it, I

953
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: don't know.

954
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 3: Maybe you take one guy from each era, a guy

955
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: from like the sixties, seventies, eighties, best tackle.

956
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: From like the fifties and six. Yeah, your best guard

957
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 1: from the like the seventies, and the center from the eighties.

958
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: What Mike Webster is going to be that guy? Yeah,

959
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: you know, And I say that because I'm in the

960
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, But no disrespect to Demoni Dawson, but

961
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: DEMONI took over after Mike Webster. And then you get

962
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: Bruce Matthews the right guard, and you get Jonathan Augen

963
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: or whoever even though his left tackle, or Seyes, Who're

964
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: gonna put up there? Walter Jones? I mean, you got you,

965
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Walter Jones, Orlando Pace, you got all these guys that

966
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: were our contemporaries. But I look back and think John

967
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: Hannah and Anthony Munos. I mean, I played tackle and

968
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: I studied Anthony Munos's game. So who are you gonna

969
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: put up there? I don't know, but you know, I

970
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: don't know.

971
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: Okay, good, No, no, no, And I don't know it's

972
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 2: a good answer. I think I don't know the good answer.

973
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 3: I agree, it's kind of it's kind of like the

974
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: basketball logo, like they they got Dre West, Like you

975
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 3: had to pick somebody to make this logo after.

976
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: But if you're not a fat basketball fan, you don't

977
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: know who that is, right, you know, everybody knows that

978
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Jordan's shoes. You know that's Jordan. Yeah, you ain't got

979
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: to say it, you just but that's the greatest for

980
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 1: our time. He was the greatest guy that ever played

981
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: the game. Right Now, there's argument as Lebron and Kobe

982
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, Like I'm not a

983
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: basketball fan, but I know nobody wanted Lebron James shoes

984
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine. They wanted Jordan's shoes. You know what

985
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

986
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So this is something I'm really excited to get

987
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: into because this is very close to my heart. What

988
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: made you want to start to get into the more

989
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: leadership roles for the NFLPA When you did, I saw

990
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: it was like after your like four and five. Yeah,

991
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: it's when you started to take on more and more

992
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: leadership and more roles. You were rep first, yeah, and

993
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 2: then being in it.

994
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: I was always bent that way as far as like

995
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: just I was a fourth fourth grade classroom president, you know,

996
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: so it' what a stat but that was so you

997
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: think it's like I got still trapped. So all these

998
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: random stupid memories. But uh, and then all we did.

999
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: Miss Sandela was my fourth grade teacher, and we lived

1000
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: in Germany, and and I was American school, so we

1001
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: had to clean the classroom and everybody did and and

1002
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: every you know, and it's about doing the little things

1003
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: and picked it. And so I'm looking around, you know,

1004
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: backpacks need to be under your desk and all that

1005
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I go up to the white board

1006
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: and I erased the date up on the board and

1007
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: put the correct date up there. Miss and Della's like,

1008
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,919
Speaker 1: what would you do? I said, well, the date was wrong,

1009
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: it's like two days ago. And she goes, Kevin's Kevin's

1010
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: our our new president of the classroom. So I like,

1011
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: I carry it out like a bad man. Your backpacked,

1012
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: put your pencils underneath the counters out. But uh, but

1013
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: I've always been bent that way. I always spend the

1014
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: outspoken guy on the team. But I think it comes

1015
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: from my dad's background. My dad was military. He was

1016
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 1: He was a sergeant Army East seven. He retired after

1017
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: twenty three years. But he always taught us, man, if

1018
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 1: you're going to do it, do it right, and don't

1019
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: let anybody else. You don't go down to somebody else's level.

1020
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: You make them rise up to yours. And so I

1021
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: get in the NFL, and four years I just pay

1022
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: attention in the PA meetings and all that kind of stuff,

1023
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: don't really get involved. And then ninety eight I go

1024
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: to near Jets. I'm sitting in the you know, the

1025
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: annual meeting when they come to and the guy sitting

1026
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 1: in front of me asking me questions all the time,

1027
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: and I'm the one answering the questions. He goes, well,

1028
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: why don't why aren't you our player rep. I said, well,

1029
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: why don't you? If you have, I will be, But

1030
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: you got to nominate me. I'm not going to raise

1031
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: my hand, nominate myself. And he did, and I got

1032
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: nominated and I got elected. And so for the first

1033
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: time I started understanding the business of the game. I

1034
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: was welcome to the business of the game, and it

1035
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: was really off this field, welcome to the game. Moment

1036
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: when I was a week and a half holdout trying

1037
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: to get the best contract for me, and that's this

1038
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: is a business. This is just spoutfall. This is a business.

1039
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: And so when I became the PA rep for the team,

1040
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: I started understanding the inner workings of the CBA, what

1041
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: it meant, how it got there, the history of the league.

1042
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: Understanding that that contract that I was working on my

1043
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: rookie year was the first time they had a CBA

1044
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty seven. Because they worked with they played

1045
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: without a CBA. There was a Plan B free agency,

1046
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: the Reggie White case. So I started learning about all

1047
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: this stuff that a lot of our young players don't

1048
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: even have a clue about. And I just kind of

1049
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: was involved and just make myself available. And the best

1050
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: availability is just to be able to know the answer.

1051
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: So when your teammates ask, you have a quality answer

1052
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: to give them, or at least tell them where the

1053
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: resources are. And so did that for I think it

1054
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: was six years or something as a player rep and

1055
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 1: eventually got elected to they got nominated at the Bord

1056
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: of Rep meetings, got elected as a vice president and

1057
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: again you get a little a little bit more knowledge

1058
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: of what's going on now is more about the inner

1059
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: workings of the building itself and stuff like that. But

1060
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: what I think prior to that trace Armstrong, Anias Williams,

1061
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: Tim Brown, Robert Smith. They were all these extitive committee

1062
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: members and they would they would do handpicked guys out

1063
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: of the border reps meetings and identify guys that they

1064
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: thought could be future leaders of the organization. And so

1065
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: when they had executive committee meetings outside of the big

1066
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: board meeting, they would invite us to go sit in

1067
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: on these meetings. We didn't have a voice, we didn't

1068
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: have a voter or anybody was just to listen to

1069
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: the conversation and how they think those things were. So

1070
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: they identified about eight to ten of us, and we

1071
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 1: all kind of rose through the ranks of the PA.

1072
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: Then became presidents. The two of us became presidents, and

1073
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: many of us became vice presidents of the Union. And

1074
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: so that's just kind of how it worked. And then

1075
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: then flashed forward to like two thousand and nine or eight.

1076
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna walk away from the Union twelve years in.

1077
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm ready to just whatever, and then things started happening

1078
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: and I just made the decision to run for president,

1079
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: became the president, and literally the day of training camp started,

1080
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: Gene passed away. So then I got thrust into the

1081
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: whole new role of responsibilit But it's just I was

1082
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,280
Speaker 1: always been that way. I was a class class officer

1083
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: my whole through time through high school, I went to

1084
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: Boise State. I was just I was always that guy

1085
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: at my school. I was a student council officer in

1086
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: my high school, and then in college I was you know,

1087
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: team captain and all that kind of stuff.

1088
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,080
Speaker 2: So I just okay, So so Jean, guys, no, only

1089
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: that the owners opt out. Let's let's talk.

1090
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: About what really popped it off. So I know.

1091
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: Already already.

1092
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: I know where the conversations headed.

1093
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: No, this is he's got his own personal because yeah,

1094
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 3: we've we've talked about your TID.

1095
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: You're personally affected by a lot of this, no question.

1096
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: That's some point, at some point in the way we

1097
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: all works, either you're a contract guy or like on

1098
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: any of your contract, things are changing, or you're in

1099
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 1: the leadership side and it changes the whole dynamic of

1100
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: your season because you're in the middle of all these

1101
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: conversations and all that kind of stuff. So it affected everybody.

1102
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't just yeah, you know the guys, the leadership.

1103
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: There's twenty five hundred players that were affected by this.

1104
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 3: It was more or less when we have these converences,

1105
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: we have this, We've had this conversation often over the years.

1106
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: Well everybody has an opinion too, well everyone, Yeah, everyone

1107
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: has an opinion.

1108
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 3: And it didn't affect me as much as it affected you.

1109
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: Okay, right, you.

1110
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.

1111
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: Yes, we all got affected by it, but it affected

1112
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 3: you more because that was your contract here.

1113
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: Yes, so the opt out was actually happened in twenty ten. Yes,

1114
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: they opted out in twenty ten. Jane passed away in

1115
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: obviously two thousand and eight. So I was a president

1116
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: at the time, and you can't negotiate unless you got

1117
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: your executive director. So I'm in the year fifteen, I

1118
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: mean year fifteen. I spent every Monday either on a

1119
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: conference call or traveling in Washington, DC, and I was

1120
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: there till Tuesday night, and then I would fly back.

1121
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: And so then we started, how do we go about

1122
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: this process to find the news direct so the exact

1123
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: committee will talk about the process, and then we spent

1124
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: weeks vetting search firms I'm talking about not days, weeks

1125
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: like search frinsdays fifteen to twenty five, and we'd interview

1126
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: every one of them, like what's your process, what do

1127
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: you think? And you know whatever, what's your ties? Do

1128
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: you have ties in the NFL? Do you not have

1129
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: ties in the NFL? If you have ties, is it

1130
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: high ties? Are you tied to the Commissioner's office? If

1131
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: you are, we don't want you. You know that kind

1132
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: of stuff. We had those conversations and we got down

1133
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: to that. So then they present you a book of

1134
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: candidates and it starts off with fifty and then they

1135
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: get fifty and you just talk about them and say, well, okay,

1136
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: we're going not these all. We'll give us a book

1137
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: of twenty five candidates, the best possible twenty five candidates.

1138
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: So then you got it. Then this this was our process.

1139
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: Then we had to interview twenty five candidates. So you

1140
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't do those interviews. They weren't going to be phone interviews.

1141
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: There was no zoom back then. We didn't have zoom.

1142
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: So we would fly in to Washington, d C. On Mondays,

1143
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: interviewing candidates Mondays and Tuesdays, fly back Tuesday night. So

1144
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: you can go to practice on Wednesday morning. And that

1145
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: was my whole two thousand and eight season a lot,

1146
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: and it was brutal. It was brutal, but it was

1147
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: the best season I had. And this is why. It's

1148
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: because when I got to practice, I had three hours.

1149
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: It was just all about me.

1150
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: Didn't have to do a phone call, didn't have to

1151
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: answer a question. I just went out there and played

1152
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: ball and that's all I did. And so so that's

1153
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: what happened. Well, that was two thousand and eight, So

1154
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: we worked through that. Two thousand and nine things lightened

1155
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: up because we finally get to a point where we

1156
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: select the executive director and then in twenty ten is

1157
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: when they opt out of the deal, and then that's when.

1158
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: But we'd already now we have our leadership in place

1159
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: already for a year and a half, and we're starting

1160
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: to strategize as an executive committee. Some guys cycled out

1161
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: of retirement and new guys are in and now we've

1162
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of built our war team of what we're gonna

1163
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: do when we start our negotiations, and we only had

1164
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 1: a year and a half, a year ready for it,

1165
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: where it's this next upcoming ones, not they got five

1166
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: more years to figure it out. But yeah, it was.

1167
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: It was tumultuous, It was tough, and it was very stressful.

1168
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can only imagine. And I'd heard those stories

1169
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: because Scott Fajeta was one of my who was very

1170
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 2: much so with a lot of you guys, with a

1171
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff through the through the wars, and uh,

1172
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: it only really affected me. And I have no opinion

1173
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: on the leadership. Ye I would just would love to

1174
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: you were in the room. So it was very cool.

1175
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: But no, I was one of those guys that was

1176
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: a four year guy who just went on my first

1177
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, just won the Super Bowl.

1178
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: And now the salary dynamics changed huge. They know this

1179
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: is what happened, right, So we go twenty eleven, we

1180
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,439
Speaker 1: get the deal, so that's that would be the year

1181
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: after your contract whatever.

1182
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 2: So it made me I couldn't become a free agent because.

1183
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: You had to be six years yeah yeah, yeah, more

1184
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: because of the because of the lockout, because of the

1185
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: opt out, the opt out, they extended it. So you

1186
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: got stuck. And yes, tended offer deals, yes right, yes, yeah,

1187
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: and it happens.

1188
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 2: It sucks for you.

1189
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1190
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: And I was like in that one that one to

1191
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 2: two years.

1192
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: Maybe ten guys or something like that. They're follow that

1193
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: because this is and this is what I learned from Gene.

1194
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: From Gene Upshaw, you worry about the minority voices, of course,

1195
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: and listen to their problems, but you always have to

1196
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: side with the majority.

1197
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: I saw that in the write up that you said,

1198
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 2: up have those words were to me? It landed so

1199
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: well for me.

1200
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: The minority will be heard, but the majority will always rule.

1201
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 2: Yes.

1202
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 1: And what's going on in our country today, right we

1203
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: hear the libar and on what's sad, whatever side of

1204
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: the fence, and politically you sen on. If you're the minority,

1205
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: you got the loudest voice. You always do. But at

1206
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: the end of the day, majority always wins. And it's

1207
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: like that everything we do. That's why we live in

1208
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: a democratic society. And that's the way the NFLPA was.

1209
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: You got guys that are squeaky wheels, and they're all

1210
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: the time squeaky wheels. If they hear you, we're gonna

1211
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: address this as best as we can. But at the

1212
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: end of the day, we got thirty two teams are

1213
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: going to vote on behalf of their fifty five and

1214
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,479
Speaker 1: eighty five players. And that's what's going to be heard

1215
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not. And that's the hard

1216
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: part about sitting in the position I was in, and

1217
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: with Jeans in you're hated by half the guys in

1218
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: the NFL.

1219
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 2: See, I never felt like we hated our leadership as

1220
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 2: much as like it felt like guys never paid enough

1221
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: attention until all of a sudden, until that's exactly what happens.

1222
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: Exactly what does that.

1223
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Matter to you until it affects you? And that's the

1224
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: problem with leadership in general. Yes, because nobody wants to

1225
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: jump in until yes, and so the guys that become

1226
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: leaders And this is this is how I felt about it.

1227
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it for me. I'm not And I

1228
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: told my executive committee, whatever decisions we make over the

1229
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: next four years through negotiation stuff, just know this all

1230
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: of us, most of us are going to be retired.

1231
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: It's not going to affect you one bit. You still

1232
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: got your four to one. You guys still got your severance,

1233
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 1: you still got your your annuity, all the stuff that

1234
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: we fought for up to this point in time, you're

1235
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: getting all that. You're not going to have a part

1236
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: of the new salary cap. You're not going to have

1237
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: a part unless that next leadership group says, well, we're

1238
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: getting way too much money, let's make a new benefit it,

1239
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: which they have a little bit right through through some

1240
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: programs in half. But it doesn't You don't care until

1241
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: it affects you. And that's when you sit in these

1242
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: meeting rooms. And it used to be you get your

1243
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 1: rebate check from the NFL, p I players ink or whatever.

1244
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: That's all they wanted. Give me my fifteen.

1245
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: Hundred dollars check and so I can leave, So I

1246
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 3: can leave.

1247
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: But they didn't care about the free agency and how

1248
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: the new collector Bargaining Agreement is going to affect you

1249
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: and down the road and all that kind of stuff

1250
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: until you become the guy that gets stuck in the middle.

1251
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: Right now, all of a sudden, you want answers, You

1252
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: want them now. I'm getting screwed.

1253
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never thought about half back and then, but

1254
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: then I don't think it ever really happened until it happened.

1255
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen until it happened. Happened till that happened. Yeah,

1256
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: and it was super ity. So for me, it was

1257
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 2: just like, man, this was like did you I was

1258
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: supposed to hit it. I didn't. And look it doesn't matter.

1259
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 2: It's one of the bridge you know what I mean.

1260
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: I still got my business.

1261
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying the thing. If I was ten years younger,

1262
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: I would have signed made a contract. These guys are

1263
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: making more in the third round for a signing bonus

1264
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: that I made in my entire career.

1265
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: But you know what, it's crazy.

1266
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. God has blessed me.

1267
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: I do what I want to do.

1268
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: I love this. I got this question for you because

1269
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 2: I think that negotiation really, in my opinion, changed everything

1270
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 2: about what we know is off season football. Yes, and

1271
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: so how what negotiations When you guys are in there negotiating,

1272
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 2: at what point do you say, Okay, well, if we're

1273
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: going to do this, this is what we got to

1274
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: have because now there was no more to days. You

1275
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 2: guys like that was like a huge change. And now

1276
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 2: there's no more too days.

1277
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: In college everyone always goes all yeah, and so there

1278
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: are to days. The rules of two days have changed dramatic, dramatically,

1279
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: So like, how did you come about with that?

1280
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: Even including the off seasons? Coach because you guys, in

1281
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: my opinion, have changed the whole world of what we deceived.

1282
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: So the biggest issue at the time, and then you

1283
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: guys probably remember this was was brain injuries and CTEs

1284
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and so that became the forefront

1285
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,439
Speaker 1: of health and health matters and issues. Well, but they've

1286
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,479
Speaker 1: always have been. So when I became a player rep

1287
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 1: in ninety nine, my first meetings was the two thousand

1288
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: player rep meetings, was the first time they had changing

1289
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Speaker 1: helmets in like twenty years, and I remember sitting in

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00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: there and then they were presenting this new helmet which

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Speaker 1: I actually wore, and there was a lightweight helmet made differently,

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00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of like a motorcycle helmet, but it had different

1293
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of path and stuff like that. And that was

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00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: the first time that the helmet's ever been changed ever, right,

1295
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: And so then re buysing their league in two thousand

1296
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: and two, they buy the entire league out. Me and

1297
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: about fifteen guys on the execut committee and on the

1298
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: board gets selected to go to Rebok headquarters in Massachusetts

1299
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Speaker 1: for research and development. And that's the first time we've

1300
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: ever talked about where they're asking you about the shoes

1301
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: positional playing shoes. But those are the kind of things

1302
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 1: you always talked about because everybody knew astral turf was horrible.

1303
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: It's like playing in your grandma's back patio with the

1304
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: green carpet, you know. So so then that's where they started

1305
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: talking about, like how does the pattern of the cleats

1306
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: match with the playing surface and all that kind of stuff.

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: So those are things that the normal public and many

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01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: of the players have no clue that the player and

1309
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: the player, the players association, the leadership was always involved

1310
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: in a lot of those conversations. And now which I

1311
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: think one of the greatest things I've seen is given

1312
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: organizations report cards on their facilities of free agency. Right,

1313
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean, how are teams like LSU and Alabama and

1314
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 1: Nebraska beating everybody else in recruiting going to the facilities

1315
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: and look what they've got, you know, and now a

1316
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys going in the NFL. It's a downgrade

1317
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 1: from the dollars. So go back to twenty eleven, or

1318
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: when we're doing the negotiations about the health, well, how

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01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: do we get to the practice. The biggest issue was

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01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: brain trauma, and guys are suffering from brain injury and stuff,

1321
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: and so you had to think about what causes it. Well,

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01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: it's multiple becussive hits throughout the course of their career. Well,

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01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: how do you eliminate that? Well, if you're going two

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01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: day practices and sometimes like with a Jets, we did

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01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: three days, you had like a morning practice, special teams practice,

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01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: and they had afternoon practice. Well, every time you had

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01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: step on the football field for every play, that's the

1328
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: opportunity to have a helmet to helmet contact hit. And

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01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: so well, how do you eliminate that. Well, you got

1330
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: to eliminate either the time of practice or the amount

1331
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: of times you're on the football field. So that's how

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01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: the conversation started. So we gotta get rid of two days. Well,

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01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: if you don't get rid of two days, and the

1334
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: coaches still want two days, and that was part of

1335
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: the conversation was, well, the coaches aren't gonna like this,

1336
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: So we're not negotiating against coaches, we're negotiating against ownership.

1337
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: The coaches don't have a say in this. They go

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01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: form their own union, but you guys won't let them

1339
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: because then they're they're part of management, you know. So

1340
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 1: so the coaches don't have a say in this we

1341
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: hear their concerns, but at the end of the day,

1342
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: this is not their decision to make. It's going to

1343
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: be us against you guys. And so great point to

1344
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: the culmination of it was the only way you eliminate

1345
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: concussive episodes is eliminate the opportunities to have the custom efficcudes.

1346
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 1: The only way you eliminate opportunities is to cut back

1347
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: on aunt of practices. And so that's how you elimination

1348
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: of practice. That's why your second practice, if you don't,

1349
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: has to be a walk through with no helmets, because

1350
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: what happens is a walkthrough becomes a speed through. We're

1351
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: running full speed because coaches can't help themselves. And now

1352
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 1: that I've been on the coaching side of it, I

1353
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: see it because you get so frustrated we're not going

1354
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: to get this because the angles are the timing is

1355
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: not right right.

1356
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 2: I gotta see it.

1357
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: And that's and so that's kind of how that conversation

1358
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 1: started and how it happened. And of course we take

1359
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 1: into account we had Tom Mayer was our medical director

1360
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: of the PA Mark or Stagan, who owned who opened

1361
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: started exos way back in the day. He was always

1362
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 1: on the board of our Health and Welfare Committee and

1363
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: things like that, and then we have to this is

1364
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 1: the thing that people underestimate the intelligence for football players.

1365
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: On our executive committee during that time, every one of

1366
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,360
Speaker 1: us had an advanced degree, whether it be NBA like

1367
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: I have a master's sports management. Every one of us had,

1368
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: and then Dominic Foxers ended up going to Harvard, you

1369
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, So they underestimate your intelligence. The

1370
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: challenge is every four years you got new leadership on

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01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: the PA side, the NFL has got what the same

1372
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 1: thirty two guys every time. That's what the challenge is.

1373
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: But that's how the conversation works. And so the players

1374
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: will say, I think this is a great idea. Okay,

1375
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: let's let's research this idea and we can maybe implement this.

1376
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: But that's how we came to no two days or

1377
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: two days modified the hard part and then like full practices,

1378
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,920
Speaker 1: you know, full Paddy only like one a week for

1379
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: the first fourteen weeks or something like that, and then

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01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: you get whatever that is, like seventeen Yeah, I don't

1381
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: know what you like, total seventeen over fourteen weeks or whatever.

1382
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't ever know the rule is, and that's kind

1383
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 1: of how it all.

1384
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 2: I like it. I liked it.

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01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 3: As an older guy when we had all those it was.

1386
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 2: It was very interesting because you know, from a younger

1387
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: guy's perspective, it was like, I don't know if I

1388
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 2: cared as much versus But then when you get older,

1389
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: you care a lot more. But I appreciate it. I

1390
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: loved it.

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: As you get older, you learn how to practice. Yeah,

1392
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: you had learned how to be more efficient in your practice.

1393
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: So okay, I can cut back. I don't have to

1394
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: go you know, if I'm running go routes, I don't

1395
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 1: have to run dead springt go route. Now, I just

1396
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,360
Speaker 1: got to make sure I get to my point. I

1397
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: know where my point is, or if I'm on a

1398
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: deep slant, I need to know where how far I

1399
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: got get to the field before I make my break

1400
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: or we.

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01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 2: Get all that kind of stuff pre and post practice too.

1402
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 2: You're just more efficient with your.

1403
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: More time when not out there smart. And then it

1404
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 1: goes back to the modalities now that they have that

1405
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: they're now mandated to have in the training room all,

1406
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: whether it be hyperbaric or red laser or things like that.

1407
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: You know, and then enough of course, another part of

1408
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: that was the big the whole marijuana thing. And you know,

1409
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys who are self medic Kayden

1410
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: with with by smoking and all that kind of stuff,

1411
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: and and you know, it's become a big part of

1412
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: the culture, and it's been legalized in so many any

1413
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL is like, just because it's legal in

1414
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: this state, doesn't mean you guys allowed to do it.

1415
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: We're still going to test you. So that's why they

1416
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: dropped the numbers and the thresholds. And then I don't know,

1417
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 1: I think the roll all together is like nobody can

1418
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: nick for meat anymore, you know, And but you know,

1419
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: and my whole mind is like, I don't know how

1420
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: that makes you play better. But I've never done it before,

1421
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: so I don't know. But for some guy it might

1422
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: work for you. I mean, I had teammates. It was

1423
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,560
Speaker 1: the drink a fifth of jack on a Saturday night

1424
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: before a game, because the calm the nurse to me,

1425
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: I'd be like so sick the next day. But like

1426
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: I ate two cups of the size of Eminem's the

1427
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: night before game. I just you know, I was carbloading.

1428
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,960
Speaker 1: So everybody had a different deal but but that's how

1429
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: the conversation started. It all started with CTE and how

1430
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: to protect our guys from having uh, you know, chronic

1431
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 1: brain image.

1432
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you for sharing because I just, you know,

1433
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 2: I want you to know that a lot of us

1434
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: appreciate what you did that And I don't know if

1435
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 2: you even think about it, but you really, and you

1436
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: and your guys and us as the league change the

1437
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 2: way everything that happens in football going forward, because nowadays

1438
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 2: you see guys even in college, like they think, oh

1439
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: my gosh, training camp so hard. I'm like, yeah, I

1440
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: do exactly what you just did. And I'm just saying

1441
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 2: you have no idea, you have no clue and what

1442
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 2: you can't tell them that it's not hard because that's

1443
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: their life. But at the same time, yeah, and I

1444
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: just don't know if we understood, like that decision that offseason,

1445
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 2: how much it changed everything about football going forward.

1446
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: And it goes back to you got to understand that

1447
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: the changes that you're implementing may not ever affect you,

1448
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: but it's going to make life better for the guys

1449
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: come after you. Absolutely, and that's I think a great leader,

1450
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: no matter what role you're in whether you're in corporate politics, whatever.

1451
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: A great leader understands you not making decisions for yourself.

1452
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: You're making decisions so that when you leave, whatever arena

1453
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: you're in is better than what you found it. And

1454
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: that's I feel like during my presidency those four years,

1455
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: and I think that's what we left myself. Just Saturday,

1456
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: Mike Rable, Tony Richardson, Drew Brees, you know guys are

1457
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: on the connect with other other guys. I can't name

1458
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: them all, Brian Dawkins, you know, all of us guys.

1459
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: We felt like we left the game better because all

1460
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: of us were in like double digit years except for

1461
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: Dominque Foxworth, who became the president after I left. And

1462
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: that I think that's a true sign of leader. It's

1463
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: not about what's going to help you. It's going to

1464
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: help what helps everybody after you, right, And that's that's

1465
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 1: how and I think that's how it should be done.

1466
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 3: I want to read something to you, and I want

1467
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 3: you to expend upon it. Really put some time in

1468
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 3: thought and to who you'd want to be if you

1469
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 3: never had the game of football in your life.

1470
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: You made that comment, Yeah, I made it about transitioning. Yeah,

1471
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: there's a we all know there's guys that are lost

1472
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: without football because that's all they've ever known. And I

1473
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: was one of the early on I was one of

1474
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: those guys. All I want to do is be a

1475
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: football player. I went to LSU. I joke around now

1476
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: that I was an eligibility major at LSU. They're like,

1477
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: what's that. That's like, my goal was to stay past

1478
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: twelve hours every semester so I can be eligible to

1479
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: play football. I grew up and figured out I need

1480
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: to graduate and get something sometime of degree. But it's

1481
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: been my experience in the stories that I've heard the

1482
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 1: former players that I've met that struggle when they're outside

1483
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 1: of the locker room because they don't have the surrounding

1484
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 1: of the boys in the locker room. Yep, they don't

1485
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 1: have the game, they don't have the they don't have

1486
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 1: the platform, the platform or the pedestal that they spent

1487
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 1: their whole lives on. You were a five star athlete

1488
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,720
Speaker 1: in high school, you were a second round draft, or

1489
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: you were like All American college, you were a second

1490
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: third round pick in the NFL. You blow your knee

1491
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: out and nobody cares, And that's got to be heart

1492
01:08:55,280 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: soul crushing for men, and for me, I was on

1493
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: that trajectory because it was all about ball for me.

1494
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: But I was married, I had a wife, and then

1495
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: I had circumstances in my life that made me change

1496
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: my whole perspective. I had the death of a brother

1497
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: after my second year in the NFL, and my wife

1498
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,639
Speaker 1: became pregnant at the same time. So all of a sudden,

1499
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 1: now you're going to be a husband, you're gonna be

1500
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: a dad, and your best friend just passed away tragically, unexpectedly,

1501
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: and you think around, look around, like, man, this is nothing,

1502
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: this means nothing. And so it led me on a

1503
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: spiritual journey, of my faith driven journey where I became

1504
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: a born again Christian and understood I believe the word

1505
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: of the Bible, and the Bible telling me that God

1506
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 1: has a purpose for every one of us, and everybody's

1507
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: purpose is different. My purpose was not to play football.

1508
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: My purpose was to find football that He has a

1509
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: platform to make it better for me, to be able

1510
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: to have a voice to make things better for everybody else.

1511
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: And so when you have that mindset, you can walk

1512
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: away from the game say okay, how do I And

1513
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: this is what the trust is really good about how

1514
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: do I transition from a player to the corporate world,

1515
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: or a player to the community, or the player in

1516
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: the teacher or coach or whatever. But understanding that the

1517
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: reason why I have a louder voice is because football

1518
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,000
Speaker 1: gave that to me and then using that to make

1519
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: whatever difference you want to make in the world. And

1520
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: the guys that don't understand that are the ones who

1521
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: struggle when they leave the game. The other ones that

1522
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: I missed the locker room, I don't know what I'm

1523
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: gonna do with in my life, and they go on

1524
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: too tailspin and things like that, And of course there's

1525
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: injuries and head to trauma that might play along with it.

1526
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 1: But I think the earlier in the game that you

1527
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: start thinking about the exit of the game, then the

1528
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: better off going to be. And for me, we didn't

1529
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: have continuing education in my first ten years in the league.

1530
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: We didn't have all that, and most of the guys

1531
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: weren't a lot of guys weren't graduating before they come

1532
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Now colleges are accelerating their graduation rates.

1533
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: Guys are graduating with masters before they even get in

1534
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: an NFL. True statistically, I don't know if it's changed

1535
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 1: statistic when I was playing, statistic players they graduated from

1536
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: college before they joined the NFL statistically have longer careers

1537
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: than those who didn't graduate from college. And the reason,

1538
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 1: and I don't know what the reason why, but my

1539
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: high surmise that the reason was because they figured out

1540
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 1: a way how to be committed to something, to get

1541
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: through something. So now you have that mentality that I

1542
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: got through that. I mean, I had to go through

1543
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: twenty hour rules in college, I carried eighteen hour workload,

1544
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,799
Speaker 1: I had a study, I still wanted my social life

1545
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: and then all this, but I figured out a way

1546
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:34,879
Speaker 1: to get done. So then you come to the NFL.

1547
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: You've had that success. Now you just apply all those

1548
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: same things to an NFL player and then you move on.

1549
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: So then statistically, on top of that is a guy

1550
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:44,919
Speaker 1: that makes it to this fifth year in the NFL

1551
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: statistically has a better chance of making it to year

1552
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: ten than the guy that only makes it that doesn't

1553
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 1: get to year five, you know what I'm saying. So

1554
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: if you get to year two, your statistics to get

1555
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: to year ten are a lot lower than the guys

1556
01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: that's already in the year five obviously, because you are

1557
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: god three years on deal. But you learn how to

1558
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 1: you figure it out. You figure it out, and here's

1559
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 1: the best thing you do. Don't come to the locker

1560
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: room thing, you know. And I used to tell young

1561
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: guys all this time, and I learned it. I knew

1562
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: it when I went in. I picked a guy in

1563
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: the locker room that I watched how he lived his

1564
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 1: life a lot. This guy's twelve and it's got to

1565
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: be a ten or twelve year vet or something like that.

1566
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 1: And just watch how he goes about his business. He's

1567
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: not the loudest guy in the locker room. He's always

1568
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: on time. He's always got a notebook. You know. When

1569
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: he gets done, he's going home to his family. Those

1570
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: are guys that are playing forever. You know what I'm saying,

1571
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: And that's why I locked onto So then as I

1572
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: became an older guy, I would tell young guys this.

1573
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: You keep your mouth shut, eyes and ears open, see everything,

1574
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 1: hear everything. Nobody wants your opinion until you've earned the

1575
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: respect of the guys in the locker room. And then if

1576
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: you see something, then you become the guy that, hey,

1577
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: young man, that's not ye, you're not gonna be around

1578
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: very long. That's how you're going to keep going, you

1579
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. But but going back to

1580
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,639
Speaker 1: the part about knowing who you are in the outside

1581
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 1: of the game. When I realized that my priorties was

1582
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: be a great husband, to be a great father, a

1583
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 1: great brother, and a great friend, football didn't matter because

1584
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: if I can be all those things, then I just

1585
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: apply all those principles being a great footbo boarder, right,

1586
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: And that's kind of was my mentality.

1587
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 2: Right.

1588
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 3: So this is a this is a question we like

1589
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 3: to ask a lot of the guests that come on

1590
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:25,959
Speaker 3: the pod. You have had a tremendous life, successful high school, college,

1591
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 3: professional career, NFLPA president, the leadership from your dad and

1592
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 3: and everything else. If you had four people to pick

1593
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 3: and put on your mount Rushmore, who would those four

1594
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 3: people be that have helped you shaped you, mold you

1595
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 3: into the man we are talking to right now.

1596
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: My mom and dad too. Okay, we'll puts down.

1597
01:13:49,439 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to be one of one together. You

1598
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: want to do them this, one and two.

1599
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: I would have to put them one together because you

1600
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: know what I mean, you learned something from each one

1601
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: of them. But they ran the household together, you know

1602
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it wasn't like mom's rules and

1603
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 1: dad's rules. It was the house rules, you know. And

1604
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 1: however they developed that mentality or whatever. But but I

1605
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: would say, but if I had to put one over

1606
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 1: the other, it would be my dad. And my dad's

1607
01:14:13,479 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: very quiet.

1608
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: Man.

1609
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 1: But you I just if you got in trouble, mamas

1610
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 1: weren't whipping you. Yeah, if Dad said something, boy, you were.

1611
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,679
Speaker 2: In trouble, you knew you were in trouble.

1612
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: Man. Uh, But to watch them work. He was in

1613
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: the military, and I just remember, Oh, now the guys

1614
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:45,559
Speaker 1: in the army don't even know they wear these boots

1615
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,640
Speaker 1: that you don't even have to polish. I mean you

1616
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 1: can see yourself. You can part your hair by looking

1617
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: at my dad's boots, you know what I'm saying.

1618
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: I remember that.

1619
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: And uh, my dad's uniform was starch. They never looked sloppy.

1620
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, man, it's like it was details. And the

1621
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: mom make the bed. We had the forty five degree

1622
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: angle on the back end with the sheets tucked and

1623
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: you had to bounce quarter off it and that those

1624
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: things mold you, you know, and then you watch your

1625
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: dad get ready for work and he passes rucksack and

1626
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 1: everything's meticulous. I mean the fox socks are folded just right,

1627
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 1: and his his his sleeping bags folded up. But uh,

1628
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 1: that's where I think if everybody should be able to

1629
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: say that their mom and dads are number one people

1630
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys, a lot of people don't

1631
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: have that, And I understand that, and that's I think

1632
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: that's a lot of what a lot of the issues

1633
01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: we have in our world today is because there's a

1634
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: lot of people that don't have that. And so so

1635
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: dad and mom would be definitely number one. I'll call

1636
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: him one and too because because they're so influential. The

1637
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 1: next one, not just because it comes to my mind.

1638
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 1: As a great friend of mine. His named Stina Rizzo.

1639
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:57,799
Speaker 1: He was the founding pastor of Healing Place Church in Bountdruse, Louisiana.

1640
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: He now works at Church of Highlands and bring him

1641
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 1: out Alabama. When I became a believer a Christian, he

1642
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: was a guy that led me to the Lord. And

1643
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: I remember he married my wife and I when I

1644
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: was in college and at the time he just started

1645
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: a church and he says, hey, I want to talk

1646
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 1: to you about this Jesus, I want to talk to

1647
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 1: you about the Bible. He does that you interested? I said, Nope,

1648
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: not interested, don't want any of it. I said, if you,

1649
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: if that's what it's going to take for you to

1650
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,840
Speaker 1: marry my wife and I, we'll go find somebody else.

1651
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: And uh, two years later, after my brother passed away,

1652
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: I was having some serious questions and doubts and and

1653
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: uh we ended up back at his church and UH

1654
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: had to meeting him June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety seven.

1655
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: My life changed forever. And uh, and he's been a

1656
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: part of every major decision.

1657
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 2: I've ever made in my life since then.

1658
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: Uh, my free agency in New York, my second contract

1659
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 1: in New York, whether I take it or let it ride,

1660
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: going to Tennessee, becoming the president of the PA, my

1661
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: retire vironment decision. He has been a part of every

1662
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: major decision in my life. You know, we've now he's

1663
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 1: moved away, and we see each other maybe once or

1664
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 1: twice a year, but we talked, you know, a little

1665
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 1: bit more than that. But I've never made a major

1666
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: decision without him like counseling me through it. So that

1667
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:24,560
Speaker 1: would be three and uh, man, the fourth one influential

1668
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: in my life man, my wife.

1669
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good one.

1670
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: We celebrated thirty two years this last May. We've been

1671
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: together for thirty five years. And man, she's been through

1672
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,240
Speaker 1: every and I talked about it in my speech in

1673
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. But man, I don't do nothing without her.

1674
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: I don't do nothing. I would rather go hang out

1675
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: with my wife than to go I mean, I like

1676
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: being around my dudes, but I'd rather go hang out

1677
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: with my wife and go do something with her then

1678
01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 1: go have a beer at a bar or something like that.

1679
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 1: That's not my vibe anyways. But uh, Tracy and I

1680
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 1: we we've been through some stuff, so uh yeah, i'd

1681
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: be Tracy.

1682
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 3: That's a good list.

1683
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 2: Man. That's that's a good amount. Rushmore, by the way,

1684
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: that's it's beautiful. It's beautiful, healthy.

1685
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:24,839
Speaker 1: It is extremely that cry all the time. So anyways,

1686
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 1: but that that would be it, man, because it's the

1687
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,800
Speaker 1: people closest to you, because you know what, they're the

1688
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 1: ones who affect you the most and the ones that

1689
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: are affected by your decisions the most. And outside of Dino,

1690
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: you know, he's the only outside guy. But I've been

1691
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 1: with this dude since he married us in ninety three,

1692
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: led me to the Lord in ninety seven vacation together. He

1693
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 1: went to my first Pro Bowl with me. Uh A

1694
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: couple years later we just want a guy's Pro Bowl trip.

1695
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: He was one of the guys that came. He was

1696
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: at my Hall of Fame induction. He we I mean,

1697
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 1: I said, I remember sitting. I was at the end

1698
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 1: of my career two thousand and nine season, two thousand

1699
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: and six yards y two K. It's c J two K.

1700
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 1: I was val in voluntary at Vandonbilt University, had the

1701
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: opportunity to go a one year minimum wage deal on

1702
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: the West coast or just call it, call it quits

1703
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 1: and shut it down. And I remember sitting at the

1704
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: Vandonbilt practice field at eleven o'clock at night, all by myself,

1705
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: leaning up against the fans, talking to Dino and just

1706
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: going through this whole process. Say, this is what God

1707
01:19:30,240 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: has done in your life, your family, your kids, your

1708
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: leadership of the NFL, all this stuff, and you've done

1709
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: everything right. He goes, you know, and whatever, so and then,

1710
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: but he's always been that guy just kind of bringing

1711
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,759
Speaker 1: me back to center, you know, and understand, like perspective wise,

1712
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 1: if you claim to be a man of faith, then

1713
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: you don't act on an emotion, you act on truth.

1714
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: So what does the word of God say? What does

1715
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 1: the word of God say about being a husband, a man,

1716
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: your future, a business leader? Whatever? And if he'd always

1717
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 1: had a way to bring me back to center and

1718
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: then I made my decisions from that and uh, and

1719
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 1: that was it. But you know, outside my family and

1720
01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:10,680
Speaker 1: then everything else is my kids. You know, It's like

1721
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:12,639
Speaker 1: my decisions are based on how it affects my kids,

1722
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: who are now twenty eight and twenty five and about

1723
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 1: to be their own adults. My daughter actually sent money

1724
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 1: back to me today.

1725
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 2: She goes, how does that feel to have your kids

1726
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 2: pay you back?

1727
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: Because she asked for some money I sent her. She goes,

1728
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: and the zel. So she goes, Zel, it was a

1729
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 1: double payment. She goes, I'm send sending part of it

1730
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: back to you. What was more I got? I got

1731
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: two hundred bucks in my bank account.

1732
01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did something right.

1733
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 3: I haven't gotten that yet.

1734
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not on that level. I'm not on

1735
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 2: that level. Kevin Man, appreciate it. Man, Thanks for man

1736
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 2: so candid, so open with us. You talked about being

1737
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: a crowd baby. I just think it's okay to share

1738
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 2: emotions and when you know this is probably I told

1739
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 2: Bill Cowerd this the other day, was like, this is

1740
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 2: probably what I missed the most about the locker room.

1741
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 2: Is this when I'm around my guys, just knowing that

1742
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: it's okay.

1743
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. That everybody wants you to

1744
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 1: be real.

1745
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, real, you know what I mean. And uh, you

1746
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 2: don't always get that outside of the locker room, but

1747
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 2: when we when we all get back together, this is

1748
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 2: just what we do. It's naturally and Uh, any day

1749
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:19,919
Speaker 2: that you have a day full of emotions, whether I'm crying, happy, smiling, laughing.

1750
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: If you can cry, laugh and have all these emotions

1751
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 2: in the same day, that's a full day. That's a day.

1752
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 2: Put a full day. And so congratulations on putting in

1753
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 2: a full.

1754
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: Day, big dog. I appreciate it.

1755
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 2: Man.

1756
01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 1: Thank you guys. Thank you what you're doing with trust

1757
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 1: everything else. Appreciate your guys' careers that you guys had

1758
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: and continue to be a voice of the players. Man.

1759
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 2: Thanks man. It's all about you, your guys voices man,

1760
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 2: and we got a great team that helps us out man,

1761
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 2: So thank you for all of our viewers and listeners

1762
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 2: out there, wherever you pick up your podcast, where this

1763
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 2: Apple podcast, iHeartRadio app or anywhere.

1764
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: Else you listen to them.

1765
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 2: So trust me, man, leave a comment like, subscribe, share.

1766
01:21:57,000 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 2: You can also check us out on the NFL pages

1767
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 2: not new but YouTube channel. Just check them out anyways,

1768
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 2: Peanut Man, get us out of here. Hey I'm Peanut.

1769
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 3: That's wrong, Bro, That's Kevin And this is the NFL

1770
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 3: Player's second act podcast, We Out