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Speaker 3: to with the three college wall playoff games tonight, with
Speaker 3: some other sports, YadA, YadA, YadA. But let's react to
Speaker 3: last night's Penn State win over Poise State. You heard it,
Speaker 3: I'm sure in the update. My guess is, if you're
Speaker 3: any sort of a sports fan, even if you're at
Speaker 3: a party, you were looking at a screen to see
Speaker 3: how it would go down. The final score is thirty
Speaker 3: one to fourteen. I have my own opinion on it.
Speaker 3: But Dan, let me ask you. Obviously, you're not only
Speaker 3: a college football fan and you watch this team, but
Speaker 3: you know, like Big ten is something that you watch
Speaker 3: a ton of because of all the sports and of
Speaker 3: all the sports teams you like. Of all the college
Speaker 3: football teams you like, Ohio State is your favorite team.
Speaker 3: So you've seen Penn State in action. I think both
Speaker 3: of us thought, boys, you would keep it closer. I
Speaker 3: think it was eleven point line. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 3: back to the end of yesterday's show. But what again,
Speaker 3: the final score is thirty one to fourteen. Just give
Speaker 3: me your sense of the game.
Speaker 5: I think that it was exactly what we expected. It
Speaker 5: was finished as a seventeen point victory. And if you
Speaker 5: didn't think that it was a seventeen point edge, that's fine.
Speaker 5: I think it probably was. Boise State had opportunities. A
Speaker 5: couple of miss field goals. They missed one on their
Speaker 5: opening drive, they missed another one they could have got
Speaker 5: them within a score in the fourth quarter. They had
Speaker 5: a bad interception in Penn State territory. So Boise State
Speaker 5: had their opportunities. But at no point did I feel
Speaker 5: that Penn State was threatened or would lose the game.
Speaker 5: There was never a point of that, and so I
Speaker 5: think it's kind of what we expected. And Doug, what
Speaker 5: this does allow is us to say, all right, does
Speaker 5: Boise State really deserve the buy? Does Boise State or
Speaker 5: a team like Boise State deserve to be in the field.
Speaker 5: I think the first the answer to the first question
Speaker 5: is no, and I think the answer to the second
Speaker 5: question is yes. Boise State fared just like other teams
Speaker 5: did in the first week of the college football playoff.
Speaker 5: So I last night, to me was just more of
Speaker 5: a confirmation of what we thought in what we believed,
Speaker 5: and there was nothing there that changed my mind.
Speaker 3: That's really really good, really really good breakdown analysis. Let
Speaker 3: me let me ask you this. Do you believe that
Speaker 3: Penn State is one of the elite teams in the country?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, And again I understand there's a area between yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a gray area between elite and should they get
Speaker 3: in the field sort of thing. And again that's what
Speaker 3: happens when you expand to twelve is you get to
Speaker 3: these kind of like, Okay, we're do we rewarded a
Speaker 3: good team? My point would be, yet, first of all,
Speaker 3: this should have been a first round game, right, Penn
Speaker 3: State is not a great team. They're they're at best
Speaker 3: the third best team in the Big Ten, which is
Speaker 3: which is you know, no small feet? Right, Oregon's good
Speaker 3: who they lost to a hot state too, and we've
Speaker 3: actually seen it on a football field. Right, This isn't
Speaker 3: the Indiana where we've only seen them play against one.
Speaker 3: We've seen them play against the two other what we
Speaker 3: think are elite teams in the Big Ten. They've lost
Speaker 3: to both, and so they'd be, by anyone's estimation, the
Speaker 3: third best team out of the Big Ten, which is
Speaker 3: the second best conference of the country. Okay, so I'll
Speaker 3: get to my thoughts in the game, but the point
Speaker 3: is and remains, and I think we are Actually we
Speaker 3: don't agree on a lot or maybe you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: anything in an argument, but I think both of us
Speaker 3: would agree on these two statements. One, this is the
Speaker 3: most overly fair field will probably ever have, right will
Speaker 3: probably ever have because Boise is not getting and I
Speaker 3: guess maybe they can figure out a way, but maybe
Speaker 3: they have to do it next year. But after the
Speaker 3: two year trial period, there's zero chance that a non
Speaker 3: power for school is getting a top four seat. Zero chance.
Speaker 3: I'm just so glaring to everyone, so glaring, and I can't.
Speaker 3: I think it was Chip Kelly who said it, and
Speaker 3: obviously coaching in the Horizon League. We're catching strays. He's like, look,
Speaker 3: Oakland can get in the field, but they're not going
Speaker 3: to get a number one seed, right Like, that's and
Speaker 3: that's and again I don't think the Mountain West is Oakland,
Speaker 3: but I do understand what he's saying, which is it
Speaker 3: was just the whole thing was ridiculous that they would
Speaker 3: get a top four seed.
Speaker 5: I think, And and there's another there's another reason for that,
Speaker 5: Doug is I think previously if you saw an unbeaten
Speaker 5: team in the old format be able to run the
Speaker 5: table and make a push. You know, we mentioned the
Speaker 5: likes of Hawaii and the old BCS format, but in
Speaker 5: what happened with UH with Cincinnati, you know, a few
Speaker 5: years ago you have Cincinnati making their push in then
Speaker 5: the American Athletic Conference. Yes, now, because of when you
Speaker 5: have eight teen schools in a league, when you have
Speaker 5: the SEC with Texas and Oklahoma, those power conferences are
Speaker 5: looked at differently. There's more of a separation. Back when
Speaker 5: Cincinnati did it, I felt that there was maybe a
Speaker 5: closer gap because more teams were spread out, more schools
Speaker 5: were spread out. You had an actual pack twelve conference.
Speaker 5: At the time, Big twelve had twelve teams. Now they've
Speaker 5: got sixteen schools. The SEC's got sixteen, the Big ten's
Speaker 5: got eighteen, and so's. It's just the fact of these
Speaker 5: leagues that those smaller the group of five or group
Speaker 5: of four are dealing with outside of the Power four.
Speaker 5: It's just a bigger gap. So to your point, I
Speaker 5: think it was different, you know, even you know, three
Speaker 5: four years ago, because conferences weren't like this. But now
Speaker 5: with the move of USC and UCLA and Oregon and
Speaker 5: Washington and Oklahoma and Texas and Arizona State in Colorado
Speaker 5: and Utah and Arizona, the whole deal, it's a bigger gap.
Speaker 5: So you can't these conferences is just way too strong
Speaker 5: and way too deep to allow that to happen.
Speaker 3: Again, they have too much let's just cut the brass tacks.
Speaker 3: They have too much money. They just have too much money.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you're buying a great team, but you're
Speaker 3: it's a in the attrition of the sport of football, okay,
Speaker 3: just the depth of overall bodies and talent and what
Speaker 3: you can do when your budget is ten to fifteen
Speaker 3: to sometimes twenty x your opponent, like you know, I
Speaker 3: mean I described this a little bit yesterday. There's as
Speaker 3: a kid who had a great game yesterday for Atlantic
Speaker 3: ten school, and I the mom and him and we
Speaker 3: were recruiting him when I got the job, and man,
Speaker 3: that guy think like this will work. This guy's going
Speaker 3: to come in. He got to play in the NCAA
Speaker 3: tournament last year. I wanted this kid as like, man,
Speaker 3: you fit exactly what I need, just a different level
Speaker 3: of athlete than I had on my roster. And when
Speaker 3: we got down to it, I just I was half
Speaker 3: of my budget for nil would have gone to one player,
Speaker 3: which again maybe in hindsight would have been smarter, you know,
Speaker 3: but I just, you know, I would have been massively
Speaker 3: over my budget, and somebody, you know, I would have
Speaker 3: been in a situation that some of these coaches are
Speaker 3: in where I would either have to go on beg
Speaker 3: for more money or I would have I would have
Speaker 3: stopped paying guys because I wouldn't have had the money.
Speaker 3: So the point is that the money does actually really
Speaker 3: really matter how much you have, how much you can spend.
Speaker 3: It's a crazy difference. There is one sort of evening
Speaker 3: of the playing field that still exists, and it's going
Speaker 3: to be interesting to see what happens now with this,
Speaker 3: there's a new it's a ruling, it's a temporary rules
Speaker 3: as a court made it for the for the Vanderbilt
Speaker 3: quarterback where your junior college year doesn't count. So again,
Speaker 3: like you're able those non power fives are able to
Speaker 3: one go down recruit. You know, f es kids are
Speaker 3: transferring up kids with an extra year, sometimes two extra years.
Speaker 3: Now you're getting older guys, so kind of like the
Speaker 3: old Byu effect where you can have twenty three, twenty
Speaker 3: four to twenty five year old guys, and the and
Speaker 3: the you know, the Georgia's, the Alabama's. You know, they're
Speaker 3: dealing with pro prospects that maybe they have a greater
Speaker 3: depth of athletes, but they don't have the agent experience.
Speaker 3: But generally, yes, this is this has been my argument
Speaker 3: for why the SEC deserved more seeds. And I know,
Speaker 3: you know two of them lost yesterday. I don't I
Speaker 3: find it hard to take those ones seriously because they're
Speaker 3: not the they're not the Championship Bowls. The point is
Speaker 3: that the Big Ten and the SEC have more money
Speaker 3: than everybody else. Now there's a couple of schools around
Speaker 3: the country that in their leagues, they have a bunch
Speaker 3: of money, and generally they've done really, really well. But yes,
Speaker 3: there's a greater separation there used to be. So the
Speaker 3: first thing is, I don't think we're ever going to
Speaker 3: have this again after these two years. And yet I'm
Speaker 3: with you. It's like we've completely overcorrected from where we
Speaker 3: always used to be. For years, it was we got
Speaker 3: to have a playoff, and hey, let's not forget about
Speaker 3: the little guy, because the little guy is what makes
Speaker 3: the NCAA tournament so popular. It's not actually really true, right,
Speaker 3: It's really not. What makes the NCAA tournament really popular
Speaker 3: is the bracket itself, the sixty fourteen field that everybody,
Speaker 3: your grandma, your son, your nephew, everybody can fill out
Speaker 3: and even with no knowledge. Yes, the Cinderella upsets are
Speaker 3: really cool, but they should always be included. But there's
Speaker 3: a difference between including a Boise State and giving them
Speaker 3: the three seed. I mean, it was honestly ridiculous, But
Speaker 3: in regards to the game, there wasn't a moment.
Speaker 5: Can I just your whole money thing that you're talking about, Like,
Speaker 5: I completely understand what you're saying, but money has never
Speaker 5: been a part of the discussion when we are trying
Speaker 5: to pick the schools. Now, they may be better and
Speaker 5: they made me spend more, but we've never said, well,
Speaker 5: that team's nil budget is blank, so or this is
Speaker 5: how much this athletic department brings in or this football program,
Speaker 5: therefore they're better. We've always done it on records, and
Speaker 5: we've always done it on leagues and strength of schedule,
Speaker 5: and who they've played and who they didn't play, who
Speaker 5: they won and who they lost to. So while money
Speaker 5: will change things, I do still think that it goes
Speaker 5: down to the things that I talked about, and the
Speaker 5: bigger part is just that it's there's no way you
Speaker 5: can now stack up a Mountain West Conference against the
Speaker 5: Big ten or an SEC.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it's again because of the money. Again, it's
Speaker 3: and it's just how much you spend. It really is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I wish it was about a bunch of
Speaker 3: other things, and I thought, you know, Boise, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of clever things they do. They're expertly coached, they
Speaker 3: block well, they tackle well, like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: good stuff. But again, the money matters because you just
Speaker 3: have more resources of players. Well, we've always had the
Speaker 3: more resources of coaches and stadiums or whatever, and there's
Speaker 3: always been the thought of stuff going on the table. Now.
Speaker 3: The reason we haven't had the discussion before because it
Speaker 3: wasn't out in the open before, and it was the
Speaker 3: difference wasn't as stark a contrast. It just wasn't like
Speaker 3: you go and look at like, how do they have
Speaker 3: all these players? Like they have more money. They they
Speaker 3: will pay players to red shirt everybody else. Why did
Speaker 3: the kid go there and sit and not play for
Speaker 3: a year because they told him, hey, we're on a
Speaker 3: three year program. We're gonna pay it more in your
Speaker 3: first year and then once you don't play in your
Speaker 3: first year. Yeah, you know. It really is what sort
Speaker 3: of about the money?
Speaker 5: Boise runs the table and is thirteen in all like that.
Speaker 3: But they're also they're playing against, with the exception of
Speaker 3: the organ game, they're playing against like funded or lesser
Speaker 3: funded teams. Boise for their league is very well funded.
Speaker 3: Boise in totality is not. So the point is, like, again,
Speaker 3: if you were the argument for any of these SEC
Speaker 3: teams and even Alabama and I know they fell and
Speaker 3: fell on their face yesterday losing to Michigan, Okay, but
Speaker 3: if you play against ten to twenty million dollar teams
Speaker 3: on a weeke in week out basis, just the overall bodies,
Speaker 3: the collisions. It's just different. It's like cashing genty. I mean,
Speaker 3: here's a perfect example. If I'm a running back, and
Speaker 3: I know that's not why he went to Boise State,
Speaker 3: but if I'm a star running back, I would much
Speaker 3: rather play at the Mountain West level or below simply
Speaker 3: to take care of my body for professional football, because
Speaker 3: the collisions he took last night were at least one
Speaker 3: point five x to the collisions he takes in the
Speaker 3: Mountain West because they're bigger, stronger, more athletic bodies, and
Speaker 3: those collisions wear you down more and have the potential
Speaker 3: for injury more.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's no different this year, right, I mean
Speaker 5: in college football and how we look at it, and
Speaker 5: they were still ranking Boise high up on the list
Speaker 5: because Boise had a close loss to Oregon and truly
Speaker 5: that was the feather in their caps. They played Oregon
Speaker 5: tough throughout the season. That doesn't none of that changes,
Speaker 5: None of that is any different from from now. And
Speaker 5: that's we're actually we're on the same page of what
Speaker 5: we're saying. You just think that money is the reason why.
Speaker 5: And I actually just think it's the depth of the
Speaker 5: conferences that now make the Mountain West seem lesser.
Speaker 3: Right, And it's my point would be, you're right, we're
Speaker 3: actually saying the same thing. And the depth of the
Speaker 3: conferences because those conferences are all way more funded, way
Speaker 3: better funded than the Mountain West. Is it just is
Speaker 3: I mean, so I agree with you and that that
Speaker 3: we've what we've done is we've elevated some of the
Speaker 3: you know, like Louisville was at the level of Boise State,
Speaker 3: and you go back twenty years ago. Right now, Louisville
Speaker 3: has been so so the if you want to call
Speaker 3: them mid majors of college football have have many of
Speaker 3: them have been moved up, and Boise State has been
Speaker 3: left behind. And because Boise State has been left behind,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. This is a parallel to ah
Speaker 3: you ready for it. This is a little bit like
Speaker 3: Villanova when they got left behind in the new Big East.
Speaker 3: Remember Villanova was for the last five years or so
Speaker 3: of the of when the Big East was Gargantia, when
Speaker 3: it was like fourteen teams. They were struggling, they were
Speaker 3: middle of the pack and then Syracuse, Pittsburgh, you know,
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech. They all left for the ACC and they
Speaker 3: were left with Creighton and DePaul and Providence and seen
Speaker 3: Hall with more true kind of mid majors. Now, the
Speaker 3: Big East has since elevated because Villanova built on that
Speaker 3: success in their league and then got better and better
Speaker 3: players and ultimately won two national championships. Okay, but they
Speaker 3: were They went from literally went from the middle of
Speaker 3: the road Big East team to dominant team in the
Speaker 3: Big East. And the only thing they change was the
Speaker 3: level of overall competition in the Big East. Right, they
Speaker 3: were a high major. They were a kind of an
Speaker 3: upper middling high major for a couple of years, and
Speaker 3: now they're playing against mid majors and they dominate them.
Speaker 3: That's what's happened to Boise. Where Boise now like again,
Speaker 3: their competition at their level has gotten lesser. So I'm
Speaker 3: actually agreeing with you. I think it's actually a really
Speaker 3: really smart point that people don't understand. It's that not
Speaker 3: only have they been kind of left behind, but now
Speaker 3: the teams at their level are I mean, like, look
Speaker 3: the Mountain West. It becomes like a juco for the
Speaker 3: for the Big Ten and for the SEC. Like that's
Speaker 3: what happens, you know, all those all those kids. The
Speaker 3: reason they can recruit guys that have more than one
Speaker 3: year of eligibility as they tell them, hey, come here,
Speaker 3: you won't make as much money, but you'll play. Then
Speaker 3: you'll get film, then you'll go to the SEC, You'll
Speaker 3: go to the ACC, you go to the Big twelve,
Speaker 3: you go to the Big ten. That's actually how you recruit,
Speaker 3: knowing that you're actually taking a slightly inferior player, but
Speaker 3: it's a better player than you could get in a
Speaker 3: traditional sense in recruiting right real quick in regards to
Speaker 3: the game. And this is again of the things that
Speaker 3: I've learned in my seven months of being a Division
Speaker 3: one head coach, is a little bit of what you
Speaker 3: talked about if you're at a talent deficit. And that game,
Speaker 3: that game was a mismatch. It wasn't a woeful mismatch.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like Penn State could just show up. But
Speaker 3: Penn State's a good, well coached football team, hard hitting,
Speaker 3: they run the football, They do a lot of the
Speaker 3: things that Boise does, only they just have bigger, better
Speaker 3: athletes and it's a little bit better, you know, as
Speaker 3: much as Boise gave away opportunities with the field goals
Speaker 3: and with the touchdown that was called back, and had
Speaker 3: the touchdown not been called back, that would have put
Speaker 3: some pressure on Penn State. It would have been a
Speaker 3: one score game and we would have seen what Penn
Speaker 3: State was made of. The fact is that Penn State
Speaker 3: also gave away opportunities. That game would have been over
Speaker 3: early had Clifford not fumbled or marching down the field
Speaker 3: to score. Yet again, it just it felt like Boise
Speaker 3: was stunned, you know, and would have been over early
Speaker 3: if not for the fumble. And then there was the
Speaker 3: interception the second half which there's a late hit, you know,
Speaker 3: a personal foul penalty, a dumb penalty on another Penn
Speaker 3: State player. Had that not penalty not happened, I think
Speaker 3: Penn State would have scored there again, game would have
Speaker 3: been over. But the big thing is for Boise, if
Speaker 3: you want to compete against a team that's better than you,
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you can't win, but you have to
Speaker 3: be much closer to perfect than they were, and they
Speaker 3: just weren't. Yeah, you know, they just weren't. Because if
Speaker 3: you can get if they could have gotten it to
Speaker 3: one score. The pressure would have been on Penn State.
Speaker 3: You know, Penn State couldn't protect sometimes throwing the football
Speaker 3: and what they're passing in was a little shaky, and
Speaker 3: look it's you know, you start looking up and you're like,
Speaker 3: holy cow, we think we're better than them. We're only
Speaker 3: up three points here late. Yeah, I mean, there actually
Speaker 3: was a moment where like this could be interesting. But
Speaker 3: the overall takeaway, and maybe this is confirmation bias, was
Speaker 3: it wasn't. It was. It was a mismatch. One team
Speaker 3: was way better and we I'm not I coach at
Speaker 3: a mid major and basketball is a little bit different.
Speaker 3: You can mitigate some of that stuff with the three
Speaker 3: point line, with zone defenses, with a lot of kind
Speaker 3: of cleverness whatever, and we've seen it work in college basketball,
Speaker 3: and I don't think the contrast is as stark in basketball,
Speaker 3: because guys, the best of the best leave after a
Speaker 3: year or two in college basketball, or as they can't
Speaker 3: until year three in college football. But that was a
Speaker 3: game in which Penn State probably wins nine out of
Speaker 3: ten times, and in order for boys to win, they
Speaker 3: have to be close to perfect. They got to make
Speaker 3: the first field goal they got to make the second
Speaker 3: field goal, they got to not fumble the football, and
Speaker 3: even then it would have been really really tough to
Speaker 3: beat a good, solid, but not elite Penn State team.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if if the sound was on
Speaker 5: where you were at Dog, but I had the sound on.
Speaker 5: Bob was shoosing is great. But boy, anytime Ashton gent
Speaker 5: would get any sort of space, he would just scream
Speaker 5: genty because he was almost trying to will that narrative
Speaker 5: and that Boise State feel, you know, that that story,
Speaker 5: almost trying to will it to happen like it would.
Speaker 5: He would go five or six notches higher on an
Speaker 5: eight yard carry, you know, because he was getting stuffed.
Speaker 5: And then anytime he would actually have daylight, they you know,
Speaker 5: there would be you know, some excitement. They actually got
Speaker 5: up around one hundred yards last night. I don't think
Speaker 5: he broke one hundred yards, but yeah, it was they
Speaker 5: were they were trying, They were really trying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody everybody wanted to be you know, you always
Speaker 3: want to call the Cinderella call the big play, and
Speaker 3: it just.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got over one hundred one oh four.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to you and happy New Year. It's Dan
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Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieb. So the Eagles are a little bit undecided
Speaker 3: on whether that Saquon Barkley is going to play this
Speaker 3: upcoming weekend. Why you say is are they undecided? Well,
Speaker 3: because whenning the game does nothing for them, right, This
Speaker 3: is an Eagles team that is thirteen and three and
Speaker 3: relatively locked in right in terms of in terms of
Speaker 3: playoff seating. The Lions are fourteen and two on the year, right,
Speaker 3: and they're going to take on the Vikings, who are
Speaker 3: fourteen and two on the year. And you know, look,
Speaker 3: the Eagles are sitting pretty having won their division, and
Speaker 3: they played the New York Giants, and of course sa
Speaker 3: kwon Barkley. I'm sure his reason for playing would be
Speaker 3: bonus is attained, but also the ability to get the
Speaker 3: all time single season rushing mark. This is Dick Siriani
Speaker 3: on the decision.
Speaker 6: I'll talk to our staff, I'll talk to the players,
Speaker 6: I'll talk to Highwie, you know, I'll talk to mister Laurie.
Speaker 6: I'll talk to everybody and to try to make sure
Speaker 6: I'm making the best decision for the football team. And
Speaker 6: that's your job as a head coach. Everything's taken into account,
Speaker 6: you know. I'm gonna always do what's best for the
Speaker 6: team and the individuals going for going for that, and
Speaker 6: I'm still thinking through a little bit of this too,
Speaker 6: But something I haven't told the guys yet, so I'll
Speaker 6: always let them know before I let anybody else take
Speaker 6: into a lot to account. Again, it's it's what's the
Speaker 6: best thing for the team, and then also what's the
Speaker 6: best for the individuals that are going for the record.
Speaker 6: You know, if you'd think back a couple of years
Speaker 6: ago to twenty twenty one, Smitty was going for the
Speaker 6: rookie receiving record. I think he was going to break
Speaker 6: to Shawn Jackson's rookie receiving record, and everybody else was resting.
Speaker 6: But we wanted or everyone else whatever it was, we didn't.
Speaker 6: We didn't play some other guys in that game. We
Speaker 6: went and got him that record. Every situation is a
Speaker 6: little different, not saying one way or the other how
Speaker 6: that's going to play out, or even that I've made
Speaker 6: the decision yet, But again, I got to tell the
Speaker 6: guys first when I do come to that decision, and
Speaker 6: I'll let you guys know, but a lot goes into it.
Speaker 3: What would you do?
Speaker 5: I would sit them. It seems really really neat and
Speaker 5: salacious to do it against the Giants, to do it
Speaker 5: against his former team, to have the record, to have history,
Speaker 5: but really for the Eagles, there's bigger fish to fry,
Speaker 5: and I felt, you know, Brian Know and Jeff Schwartz
Speaker 5: were on just prior to us on two pros, and
Speaker 5: Jeff made the point he got to play other guys
Speaker 5: then too, So yeah, i'd sit them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think this is really close. I do
Speaker 3: understand the Giants thing, the record thing, and you know,
Speaker 3: like even though all of us in the know would say, hey,
Speaker 3: a seventeenth game, it's a different record. We could say
Speaker 3: the same thing about Eric Dickerson as opposed to Oj Simpson, right,
Speaker 3: two more games there as well, and nobody brings that
Speaker 3: up with Eric Dickerson's right, So I do think that
Speaker 3: would fall by the wayside. But if you're if you're
Speaker 3: saying what's in the best interest of the team, and
Speaker 3: the only goal the Philadelphia Eagles goal is not to
Speaker 3: win the NFC East. It's not to get Saquon Barkley
Speaker 3: the single season rushing mark. It's to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: And the the possibility of injury, just the possibility of
Speaker 3: injury makes it so it's not worth it. It's not
Speaker 3: worth it. What what what what do we gain? If
Speaker 3: it's about money or if it's about acclaim, then that's
Speaker 3: not the Saquon Barkley, right, That's part of the reason
Speaker 3: you left the Giants. Was because he had no chance
Speaker 3: in this and I believe that as as much as
Speaker 3: he left all of that positive equity behind with the Giants,
Speaker 3: I mean, he would have been mister Giant like the
Speaker 3: Tiki Barber and Michael Strahan and heck, even Lawrence Taylor
Speaker 3: is still legendary. Right. Obviously won a couple of Super Bowls.
Speaker 3: But you know, being a new life for New York
Speaker 3: Giant is a huge thing. And obviously Mara loved him
Speaker 3: and the fans loved him. He left all that behind,
Speaker 3: But it was a great decision, a football decision, a
Speaker 3: great decision. This is a much better team, a much
Speaker 3: better run organization in terms of what they have, what
Speaker 3: they have and blocking for you and their schemes, and
Speaker 3: you have a much greater likelihood of competing for and
Speaker 3: winning a Super Bowl. And so if that's your reason
Speaker 3: behind going to the Philadelphi Eagles, then this is not
Speaker 3: even it's not even not even a conversation that you
Speaker 3: have the other part too. It is And I'm going
Speaker 3: to stand on this because I know that that people
Speaker 3: will you know right now are overwhelmingly thinking, well, all
Speaker 3: of these other executives or the executives of their former
Speaker 3: teams have to be idiots because they've allowed talented running
Speaker 3: backs to leave. And you go back, you know, going
Speaker 3: back to last year, whether it's Josh Jacobs who's now
Speaker 3: with the Packers, or Saquon Barkley or others, it was
Speaker 3: all about you know, hey, you know, these guys need
Speaker 3: long term guarantee because they were franchise tagged and they
Speaker 3: were making you know, about the same money they were
Speaker 3: going to make, you know, on a yearly basis. It
Speaker 3: was multi year guaranteed contracts. Don't give them three years guaranteed.
Speaker 3: And so if you want to say that Josh Jacobs,
Speaker 3: who's having a great year or Saquon Barkley, who's having
Speaker 3: an incredible year, have proved everybody wrong, you're right as
Speaker 3: of right now. But it was a long term, long
Speaker 3: term like long term guy goes down. You know, running
Speaker 3: backs get hurt and they're easier to replace for less money,
Speaker 3: So why spend all that money? And I think that
Speaker 3: that argument, there's no period to the end of the
Speaker 3: argument that right now Saquon and Josh Jacobs are winning
Speaker 3: because I mean, look at Alvin Kamara. I mean, he
Speaker 3: can't stay healthy at all. He's part of that discussion.
Speaker 3: So let's see what happens over the next two years.
Speaker 3: But this weekend, I mean I wouldn't do it. I
Speaker 3: do think it's very Eagles to do it against the Giants.
Speaker 3: It's very Nick Sirianni to do it against the Giants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with all that. That actually worries me
Speaker 5: if I'm an Eagles fan to think that this is
Speaker 5: a consideration. And I know on a Harbon and Siriani,
Speaker 5: who I do think it time acts like a buffoon.
Speaker 5: But I do like it when coaches do say and
Speaker 5: reveal what their thought process is and not give us
Speaker 5: just a bunch of coach speak that he's actually letting
Speaker 5: us in on the process. I just can't believe that
Speaker 5: this is part of the process. When you signed him
Speaker 5: to a deal a single season rushing record last spring
Speaker 5: was that was the icing on the cake. That's the gravy.
Speaker 5: But the cake and the biscuits or the chicken fried steak,
Speaker 5: the meal is the Super Bowl. You know what. That
Speaker 5: to be messed up and you would be putting that
Speaker 5: in harm's way if you ended up playing him in
Speaker 5: Week eighteen.
Speaker 3: I actually think there's that you could make the argument okay,
Speaker 3: And I don't know if anybody, if you guys buy
Speaker 3: this argument, you could make the argument by by not
Speaker 3: playing him and not putting your top level team out
Speaker 3: there against the Giants. I think that's the ultimate kind
Speaker 3: of Saquon's revenge. Like you left the team that thinks
Speaker 3: were their rival, and we don't. They don't even exist
Speaker 3: in our yes, in our stratosphere, they don't. We don't
Speaker 3: even need, we don't need. You don't even need to
Speaker 3: play against them. They're so inferior to us, that would
Speaker 3: that would be my that would be my sale.
Speaker 5: And not playing that the uh love, The opposite of
Speaker 5: love isn't hate, it's yes, apathy, apathy in difference, yep
Speaker 5: in difference yes jas.
Speaker 4: The Eric Dickerson angle on this, guys, interest me a
Speaker 4: couple of things. Nick Serr just brought up a Devanta
Speaker 4: Smith rookie receiving record, which is just completely pales in comparison.
Speaker 4: If if you can make an argument that Eric Dickerson's
Speaker 4: single season rushing record is like the one record that
Speaker 4: actually people know about, Like this is like baseball has
Speaker 4: probably ten to twelve of these, but the single season
Speaker 4: rushing record is really up there. I think on a
Speaker 4: podium by itself. Earlier this week RG three, when he
Speaker 4: was kind of making a case against Eric Dickerson, rooting
Speaker 4: against Sakuon Barkley, He's like, hey, I was more than
Speaker 4: happy to give up my rookie rushing record to Daniels
Speaker 4: this year. It's like, these are not records that people
Speaker 4: care about, and I think this is a sacred record
Speaker 4: and it was done in sixteen games, and I think
Speaker 4: there's there would be something to Doug's final point there.
Speaker 4: There there's be something a little bit uh, there would
Speaker 4: be something gracious for Sakwon Barkley be you know what,
Speaker 4: I got my two thousand. I'm really happy. I want
Speaker 4: to rest before the playoffs. And that Eric Dickerson record
Speaker 4: I think should stand another year. I think there's there
Speaker 4: would be something gracious about that. There's a moment here
Speaker 4: that the Eagles could take advantage of for the reason
Speaker 4: you just said, Doug, And I think that this record
Speaker 4: does mean a lot. And Eric Dickerson should get his
Speaker 4: flowers this week and not be insulted by a bunch
Speaker 4: of former players, which he has been.
Speaker 3: Is he the rightful holder of the record, like I
Speaker 3: know he does, but I mean he had twenty one
Speaker 3: oh five, right, and OJ had two thousand and three
Speaker 3: and only did it in fourteen games. This is the
Speaker 3: Roger Merris right, Roger Merris to Babe Ruth.
Speaker 4: Because it stood for forty years or whatever it's been,
Speaker 4: I think it is right.
Speaker 3: It is for sixteen games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And Diggerson, I think, has claimed that he got
Speaker 5: his in fifteen even though he played I think sixteen
Speaker 5: games that season. I also, Doug, I just think it's
Speaker 5: I've said this over the last week or so and
Speaker 5: we've not been with each other. I just think that
Speaker 5: it was much harder than to rush the football, to
Speaker 5: run the football than it is today. I know we
Speaker 5: think that running backs are extinct and the running game
Speaker 5: is extinct, but I think that makes defenses built to
Speaker 5: try to stop quarterbacks and stop the pass and get
Speaker 5: after the quarterback. So actually, if you have an offensive
Speaker 5: line and can run the football, it's actually easier than
Speaker 5: maybe what Eric Dickerson and Emmitt Smith and Barry Sanders
Speaker 5: had to deal with, you know, that long ago. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that it's watered down by any means, but
Speaker 5: it's not.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no no. It's the exact same argument
Speaker 3: as basketball. Right, you literally take again when Michael Jordan
Speaker 3: was playing, you had a power forward in a center
Speaker 3: and they would occupy the paint. Right, they occupy the paint.
Speaker 3: So you have two bodies six foot eight, six foot
Speaker 3: nine and bigger occupying the paint. Now guys can attack
Speaker 3: the rim. You know, a Lebron James is built like
Speaker 3: a power forward and when he gets past his guy
Speaker 3: or gets going downhill there sometimes there's a rim protector
Speaker 3: who's you know, usually these guys have to be you know,
Speaker 3: they're in the two d and two hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: pound variety shop blockers maybe two forty. You know a
Speaker 3: lot of times they're coming from outside the three point
Speaker 3: line that it's so much more spread out, so there's
Speaker 3: not there's not the bodies in there. The same thing
Speaker 3: in the NFL, right, like you're mostly class base coverage
Speaker 3: is is uh, you know, is nickel. The linebackers are
Speaker 3: twenty pounds lighter than they used to be. You have
Speaker 3: to be able to run run. I mean, like look
Speaker 3: the reason that the the reason that the the Shanahan
Speaker 3: running game, what did they do? They brought in more
Speaker 3: athletic linemen that could move and it works right speed
Speaker 3: speed kills. It's a much aster, much more open game.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, by design, I agree with you.
Speaker 3: There's one usually one less guy in the box, and
Speaker 3: the bodies in the box, especially in that second level
Speaker 3: linebackers the number one thing they have to do is
Speaker 3: be able to run to play linebacker, and so linebackers
Speaker 3: now are built more like safeties than like a converted
Speaker 3: defensive linemen. So I think that's a fair argument.
Speaker 5: I also find this Saquon argument interesting, and by the way,
Speaker 5: I did look it up. Eric Dickerson did pass OJ
Speaker 5: in his fifteenth game. He had ninety eight yards. In
Speaker 5: his final game, he had one hundred and two more
Speaker 5: yards than OJ, So he'd broken the record in his
Speaker 5: fifteenth game and then still played the sixteenth game and
Speaker 5: added to that record with ninety eight yards. Saquon needs
Speaker 5: one hundred yards, it's not like he needs fourteen. So
Speaker 5: if you go in the first half and gets ten
Speaker 5: carries for twenty seven yards, you're going to do this
Speaker 5: all the entire second half as well. Like this is
Speaker 5: it's not like it's just let's go let's go out there.
Speaker 5: Let's give him a couple of care, You'll get the
Speaker 5: record and we'll take him out like he needs one
Speaker 5: hundred and one yards. And you don't think that the
Speaker 5: Giants are just gonna put everybody on the you know,
Speaker 5: defensive line, who cares if whoever's quarterbacking for the Eagles
Speaker 5: is throwing the football all over the yard. I just
Speaker 5: put eleven men in the box and be like, all right,
Speaker 5: go ahead, good luck. It just doesn't make it. It doesn't
Speaker 5: make any sense. The more the more you peel off
Speaker 5: this onion, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: By the way, Kenny Pickett is the answer. The only
Speaker 3: reason I knew that, and it was because I have
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts was my fantasy court.
Speaker 5: Sure, well, Kenny Pickett got hurt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I'm like, who is their backup? Like, oh,
Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett? Oh okay, you didn't have to leave the state.
Speaker 5: But Kenny Pigott got hurt last week, so Tanner McKee
Speaker 5: had to come in. So you haven't even a question
Speaker 5: there on what's going to happen with the Eagles.
Speaker 3: Did I honest question, did you know who Tanner McKee? Was? No?
Speaker 5: No, And somebody had to remind remind me, like they
Speaker 5: I said, where do you even go to school? And
Speaker 5: he went to Stanford, So then I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 5: think I remember that maybe in the draft process, but
Speaker 5: I can't remember remember any playing days or anything.
Speaker 3: The only thing I remember about Stanford was that was
Speaker 3: last year right where they lit up. They had that
Speaker 3: great game against Colorado. That's like the last I hadn't
Speaker 3: thought about Stanford football in so long that they went
Speaker 3: at Travis Hunter time and again it's a great game
Speaker 3: again against Colorado. Anyway, Yeah, Tanner McKee checked in, like
Speaker 3: who is that? I've never heard of that guy before
Speaker 3: in my life and he's now quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 3: I'm Doug Gotlabe's Dan Byer in for Dan. The Danettes
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Speaker 3: to twenty twenty five, shall we. We'll do so next.
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Speaker 3: Doug Gottlieb Dan byer In for Dan The Danettes, Dan
Speaker 3: Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio, Happy New Year two. It
Speaker 3: is twenty twenty five. It is twenty twenty five, So
Speaker 3: I've done this. Actually I do with my kids, Dan,
Speaker 3: I did with some friends last night. We were at
Speaker 3: a at a restaurant town called the Iron Duck, which
Speaker 3: is kind of our hang and you know, you you
Speaker 3: just you ask kind of an open ended question and
Speaker 3: you kind of let everybody kind of flush things out.
Speaker 3: Tw is gonna be interesting year. So we don't have
Speaker 3: an Olympics this year. Right last year we knew Olympics
Speaker 3: were coming. That was kind of So again, if there
Speaker 3: was one thing in sports you're most looking forward to,
Speaker 3: what would it be?
Speaker 5: Wow? I live on a sports calendar, Doug. I think,
Speaker 5: like many sports fans of football season to march madness
Speaker 5: into the Masters an opening day, and then back around
Speaker 5: through the NBA playoffs and then NFL training camps and
Speaker 5: then we do the psych again. I would think that
Speaker 5: the one thing that stands out to me, and that's
Speaker 5: it's golf golf wise, because it's an interesting year in golf.
Speaker 5: Number one of the US opens going back to Oakmont,
Speaker 5: which is like my favorite course, taking Augusta National out
Speaker 5: of it. Oakmont's my favorite course, but the Ryder Cups
Speaker 5: at Bethpage Black and I think it could get super
Speaker 5: super rowdy and super super contentious. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 5: that twenty twenty five Ryder Cup is what I would
Speaker 5: look most look forward to.
Speaker 3: Not the answer I was looking for. I was I'm
Speaker 3: not know I was looking for I was expecting. But
Speaker 3: I do know your love and passion for golf as well,
Speaker 3: and maybe it's that's the you know, that level of competition.
Speaker 3: I I am interested in how this, ultimately the College
Speaker 3: Tall Playoff looks like, just because we haven't had it before,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's been such a snoozer so far.
Speaker 3: I would expect today, okay, we're gonna have some pretty
Speaker 3: good games, and then next week, next the next time
Speaker 3: they take the field, it's gonna be a final four.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be really good. It's gonna feel it's gonna
Speaker 3: feel more special than the former final four that we
Speaker 3: had in football before. I'm only interested the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Obviously you're gonna watch, you know. I actually think the
Speaker 3: playoffs are more interesting than the super Bowl. Just in
Speaker 3: is this finally the year the Bills get over the hump?
Speaker 3: Is it finally the year? Because you're watching the Ravens,
Speaker 3: You're like, well they could, they could potentially do this too,
Speaker 3: And no one actually thinks the Chiefs are going to
Speaker 3: lose because they just find a way and the defense
Speaker 3: is really good and you and you know, if you
Speaker 3: give Pat Mahomes the ball with any time in the
Speaker 3: clock and ask the Bills even thirteen seconds, he can
Speaker 3: pull off a miracle. But to me, football is only
Speaker 3: interesting in that element of it. You know again, I
Speaker 3: under I get the why people aren't that jazzed about
Speaker 3: the NBA. I think the NBA product is actually really
Speaker 3: really good. I watch NBA games like, man, these guys
Speaker 3: are incredibly talented, and some of those Christmas games were good.
Speaker 3: The issue with it is like, what is the there there?
Speaker 3: What gets me? What would get me excited to watch
Speaker 3: the NBA Finals? And I can't think of anything. Just can't.
Speaker 3: Obviously basketball with our own team, like we just want
Speaker 3: to win a game, I'd be excited for that. But
Speaker 3: in the sports calendar, yeah, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 5: Bills are unique because I would flip it and say,
Speaker 5: like if I looked at a football thing, I would
Speaker 5: say the Lions just to get to the Super Bowl,
Speaker 5: because I wonder if the Bills do break through and
Speaker 5: then they don't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Are we back here again?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Well, the Lions just have never appeared in one.
Speaker 3: Well. I do think it would be amazing if you
Speaker 3: had Bills and Lions in the Super Bowl, because you
Speaker 3: have two of those franchises, right, I think? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, and it was, it was really really good,
Speaker 3: really good big, But I can't it's again. I'm struggling
Speaker 3: to find the NBA thing that gets it. Baseball, we
Speaker 3: finally had Yankees Dodgers. That was cool. I'd love to
Speaker 3: see that again. But I am excited about college football
Speaker 3: because I thought it would be different. It hasn't been yet.
Speaker 3: Maybe today, maybe today it changes. Maybe today the chaos
Speaker 3: that we that we felt from we feel for March madness,
Speaker 3: maybe that's what happens, but it hasn't happened yet. You
Speaker 3: know what, let's do that. Let's coming up next. Let's
Speaker 3: get into Ohio State versus Oregon. You know, on paper,
Speaker 3: if you didn't know that these two teams have played
Speaker 3: or Ohio States, other losses a loss in the year,
Speaker 3: this could be a national championship game. Okay, who is
Speaker 3: the day big guesst four, Most Important four. Let's get
Speaker 3: into that next with Dan Byrom Doug Gotliebisz to Dan
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