1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a seemingly perfectly normal 2 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: thirty one year old guy turn into a gangster wannabe 3 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: and terrorize his longtime girlfriend's children as she just stood by? 4 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Did she need a man that badly? Crime Stories with 5 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. First of all, take a listen to our 6 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: friends at CBS twelve. The talk floor apartment now quiet 7 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: only a notice from CPS taped to the door. According 8 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: to Harris County Sheriff's Office, to call Kman Sunday from 9 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: a fifteen year old boy. He says he and his brothers, 10 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: just ten and seven years old, had been abandoned by 11 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: their parents. Their nine year old brother's body was in 12 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: the apartment with them. Deputies are now interviewing the mother 13 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: and her boyfriend, and it appears the skeletal remains have 14 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: been there for an extended a period of time, so, 15 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: you know, just connecting all the dots at this point, 16 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: it seems that they were in there while the body 17 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: was to your reading. Samantha lives two floors below the 18 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: unit where the boys were found with her own kids. 19 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: She says she didn't even know children lived in the apartment. 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: I didn't even know if someone even stayed there. I 21 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: thought it was a bad na, like, you know, just 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: like it was just an empty apartment or whatever. And 23 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: so now he was like, oh wow, people was living 24 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: up there. At CPS is also investigating alongside law enforcement. 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: The boys weren't taken to an area hospital to be treated. 26 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: Christian Gomez has three boys of his own. I'm so shocking, like, 27 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: like what about the parents? What about all this there? 28 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: Like like I'm gonna worry him like a kid, like 29 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: I got kids, you know, like like leaving parents to 30 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: wonder who would do this to these young boys? I 31 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: am too think about it. Three children living there, fifteen 32 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: year old and two little brothers ten and seven, while 33 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: in the next room is their dead eight year old brother. 34 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: And they live this way for months and months and months, 35 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: maybe over a year. Take a listen again to our 36 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: friends at CBS twelve. A living nightmare inside this apartment, 37 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: filled with twisted secrets. Neighbors knew the situation in this 38 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: apartment wasn't normal, but they never imagine the true horror inside. 39 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: Three boys abandoned by their mother, living with the remains 40 00:02:54,800 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: of what investigators believed to be their dead sibling. I 41 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: never saw those other keys. The Harris County Sheriff's office 42 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: says the rent kept getting paid, but the mother hasn't 43 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: been back in months. Fifteen year olds relying on his 44 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: neighbor Erica Chapman, who started giving him food six months ago. 45 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: You would not eat anything that you made. Um. You 46 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: had to buy it, like had to be a salad 47 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: that was closed from the store or a pizza through 48 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: had to still be in a bag. Another resident at 49 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: City Park two at wes Stoakes apartment, Troy Thompson, also 50 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: was feeding him. He once got a glance inside the 51 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: apartments just like trash, like the Brief and Cheers piece 52 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: of boxes without electricity. The fifteen year olds asked Thompson 53 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: to charge a cell phone shortly before calling nine one 54 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: one on Sunday the last time. And I saw the phone, 55 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: I asked, is everything as you say so? And then 56 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: I asked you rolling somewhere? He saved properly and then 57 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: he walked away about seven minutes later. The Party School 58 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: investigators say the skeletal remains have been in the apartment 59 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: for a year. Chapman and Thompson had no idea about 60 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: the dark secrets. The fifteen year old was living with. 61 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: Why do you think he had a talk people he 62 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: had father to finding out what happened yesterday. I think 63 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: he was more nervous and scared. Are they going to 64 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 1: bring me for this? From my parents? Going to punish 65 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: you for this? The fifteen year old older brother Jordan, 66 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: his ten year old little brother Trevan, and Javon seven 67 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: years old, all living in that home. And you know, 68 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: those children had to know how wrong their life was, 69 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: living in an abandoned apartment with their dead brother in 70 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: the other room, and seeing other children their age having 71 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: normal lives, but knowing we're not like that, having to 72 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 1: deal with that day after day after day, with me 73 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: an all star panel to try and make sense of this. 74 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: Jason Campo, Chief Prosecutor, joining us out of Texas, Cameron County. 75 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Alan Blocky, PhD. Joining US out of Birmingham for 76 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 1: forensic psychologist Josh Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, 77 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: an author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and 78 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: Sabrina Fazzon, four time Emmy Award winning anchor and reporter 79 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: at Serena Fazon News Serena. It's really hard for me 80 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: to take this in Where was mommy and daddy? I 81 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: know me too, Nancy. It's just so awful. Can you 82 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: believe that they lived twenty five minutes away or so? 83 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: Why were they in a different home than their own kids. 84 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: It's just so hard to imagine. And if you had 85 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier and we heard those reports, this had been 86 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: going on for months, months, maybe nearly a year, and 87 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: they were down the street. Did you notice a Serena Fazon, 88 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: this guy, the so called a boyfriend of the mother, 89 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: had suddenly decided he wanted to be a gangster, or 90 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 1: at least give the appearance of being a gangster. Did 91 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: you see his appearance change? How suddenly he's uh sporting 92 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: gold teeth and covered himself with tattoos and chains just 93 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: out of the blue. What happened to him? He turned 94 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: into overnight badass? Or so he thought? What's so? I mean, 95 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: how much of a badass do you have to be 96 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: to beat up an eight year old little boy? I mean, 97 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, this is what we know, or what I 98 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: think I know, Serena Fazon, you tell me if I'm wrong. 99 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: But apparently he broke one little boy's jaw, killed one 100 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: little boy, age eight, and left the other gripped with fear, 101 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: while mommy, who was also a POS as a technical 102 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,559 Speaker 1: legal term, stood by and watched and let it happen 103 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: to her children. It's you, Nancy, You've described it. That's 104 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: what That's what the deputies are saying. And what's even 105 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: more horrifying is that they believe that the ten year 106 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: old witnessed the beating of his little brother and the 107 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: mother apparently told her boyfriend she wanted she wanted to 108 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: get help, but then she she told her not to, 109 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: and of course she listened. Just like what you said 110 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the show, Did she really 111 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: need a man that much? It's crazy. Well, I guarantee 112 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: you this is not going to rise to the level 113 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: of legal insanity, and her decision to live twenty five 114 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: minutes away from her three boys and its self is 115 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: felony child neglect and abuse. Take a listen to Aurica 116 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: one A. This is zach territory a khou eleven, a 117 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: children's playground. He was sleeping on the side. Chapman says 118 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: she first met the fifteen year old boy who were 119 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: told called nine to one, claiming he and his siblings 120 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: had been living with the remains of their brother in 121 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: the room next to his and I asked him if 122 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: he was hungry, and he said yeah. I brought him 123 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: out some food in some drinks. Harris County deputies discovered 124 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: that fifteen year old boy, along with a seven and 125 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: ten year old boy, and tragically the remains of another 126 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: young child. Honestly, I'm disgusted if I knew something was 127 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: wrong with any of those kids out and took all 128 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: of them. The neighbors had no idea, And that is 129 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: a big sign to you, Jason Campo. You and I 130 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: have both worked so meanly child abuse and child neglect cases. 131 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: When neighbors don't even know children lived there, there's something 132 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: way wrong. It shows that this has been going on 133 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: for years and years, and the fact that the fifteen 134 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: year old lived in the apartment for a year with 135 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: his other brothers and the body of his deceased brother 136 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: and didn't call until now shows that this is a 137 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: mindset that those kids have been exposed to some kind 138 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: of abuse since they were really really young, because they 139 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: didn't even know that this was inappropriate. Time stories with 140 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace to doctor Allan Blockey, PhD, forensic psychologist joining 141 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: us out of Birmingham doctor Blockkeey, why do you need 142 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: a man that badly, a guy who's going to beat 143 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: your children, kill one of your children and insists you 144 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: of twenty five minutes away and leaving the boys and 145 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: apartment with no air conditioned, no heat, nothing. Yeah, I 146 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: mean it shows you how disturbed and out of touch 147 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: this mother was, and how neglectful and abuse if she 148 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: was at the same time. I mean, it's just it's 149 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 1: it's really almost an unbelievable case. Right, It's one of 150 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: the worst ones I've heard of where she just totally 151 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: left these kids behind. I don't know if she's involved 152 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: in drug abuse or whether she's No. No, because this blocky, 153 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: if she were involved in drug abuse, Number one, that 154 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: it's not a defense under the law, your voluntary use 155 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: of drugs. That's not excuse you or justify your crimes. 156 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: That's on you. But you know, a lot of juries 157 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: might think, oh, well, she was out of her mind 158 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: on drugs. She didn't know what she was doing. This 159 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: woman was not high on drugs. Look at her. She's 160 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: perfectly healthy looking, living with this boyfriend, and she knew 161 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: what was happening there. She is and all of her makeup, 162 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: her hair has been colored, she's got on nice clothes, 163 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: b ass on that blockkey, don't give her a pass claiming, Oh, 164 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: she's drug addled. She didn't use drugs. No, I don't 165 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: want to be misunderstood. I wasn't trying to give her 166 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: a pass. I was just trying to just trying to 167 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: figure out exactly what the factors are that are leading 168 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: to her neglectful and abusive behavior, because there's really no 169 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: clear explanation for it other than that, why do you 170 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: always go and stick your nose in your DSM? What 171 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: does that stand for? Diagnostic? What statistical manual? That? It's 172 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: a book, guys, it's about that big. When it was prose, 173 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: King was constantly looking up mental disorders to find out 174 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: what they meant. Do they rise to the level of insanity? No, 175 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: it's like you're narcissistic a personality disorder. You know what 176 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: that means? You're self centered like narcissists in Greek mythology, 177 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: all he could be interested in was his own reflection 178 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: in the pool. His whole world was about himself. That's 179 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: not insanity. That's called self centered. And this mother is 180 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: not insane. She stood by Wait, let's bring it all home. 181 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Mo're gonna listen to this. The children claim 182 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: the boyfriend, Coulter struck their eight year old brother. Joe Scott, 183 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: do you remember when your child, your children were eight 184 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: years old? How little and defenseless strike the eight year 185 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: old with closed fist kicked him in the face, feet, back, testicles, 186 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: and buttocks. Wait a minute, wait, the seven year old 187 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 1: son tells deputies. Culter continued kicking Kendrick, now dead, who 188 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: was then lying on the floor and not moving it 189 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: while staring at the other little brother who was in 190 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: the room. What did you hear? What happened to him? 191 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: Just Scott, Yes, ma'am I did. And let me kind 192 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: of break this down a little bit. Absolutely hate him, 193 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: and let me think what juristiction this is Texas. Oh, 194 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: he can get the death penalty and so can that. Sorry, mother, Okay, 195 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah. You know the thing about this is 196 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: we've heard that the body of this poor young child 197 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: will skeletonize Nancy. And they're totally skeletonized. Well that's what 198 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: they're saying, at least that's what they're implying. And they're 199 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: talking about you know what, and they're talking about blunt 200 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: force trauma. You know what that tells me? This is 201 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: even more insidious. They're telling me by saying that that, 202 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: since they don't have any soft tissue to examine to 203 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: look for bruises, this kid's probably got multiple and I 204 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: mean multiple fractures over the extent of his body. You're 205 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: talking about kicking him in the testicles, he could have 206 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: a fracture for actual pelvis. You're talking about punching me 207 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: in the face. The facial bones can be broken. He's 208 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: probably been stomped on. He's probably got broken ribs, this 209 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: sort of thing. This is still visible after a year, Nancy. 210 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: He's decomposed to the point down to where he is 211 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: a skeleton in the adjacent room. And what's really chilling 212 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: about this, Nancy. When we work in the morgue, we 213 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: get to see horrible things, but you know what, at 214 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: the end of the day, we get to leave. These 215 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: kids had to endwell this residence with a decomposing body 216 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: of their sibling. Jason Campo, I don't know if you've 217 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: ever felt that I feel right now, but there were 218 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: times in trial, and it got worse and worse over 219 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: my ten years prosecuting in Inner City, Atlanta. As my 220 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: case has became more and more evil and complex, sometimes 221 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: I would hate to even say the case to the jury, 222 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: and I have to screw myself up to actually or 223 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: rate what I knew because it's so horrible. I don't 224 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: know if you've ever had that feeling, but I'm sitting 225 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: here about to tell you a fact, and I hate it. 226 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: I hate it. It leaves a horrible, horrible taste in 227 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: my mouth. But when police arrived at the apartment, they 228 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: find one child with a swollen jaw. The boy said 229 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: his mother knew about the injury, but did not seek 230 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: or get medical aid for him. Here we go. The 231 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: ten year old son told investigators that when Williams came by, 232 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: that is his mother, Gloria Williams. She lifted the blanket 233 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: off eight year old Kendrick and found his body feet 234 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: and teeth. I turned into a skeleton. That his quote 235 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: here was off and his corpse was covered with cockroaches. Okay, 236 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: wait a minute, let it sink in. She pulled the 237 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: blanket back and saw her son skeletonized, covered in roaches, 238 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: and what if anything did she do? She left? She 239 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: left with her other son with a swollen jaw and 240 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: did not seek or obtain medical help. May she wrought 241 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: in hell along with her good for nothing boyfriend. Okay, 242 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: there you go. I don't even know how to respond 243 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: to something like that, because it truly is one of 244 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: those cases that when it lands on your desk and 245 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: you read it for the first time and you try 246 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: to understand it all how you're going to start to 247 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: go forward with it, you feel kind of off mentally 248 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: after you read it, and you have to say, Okay, 249 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to let this sit for 250 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: a couple of days and then come back to it 251 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: and try to, I guess, desensitize yourself so you can 252 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: start to prepare to take it to trial, because this 253 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: is one of those cases where both of these people 254 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: deserve what is coming to them, you know. Serena Fason, 255 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: people often say to me, why don't you smile when 256 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: you're on TV? Are they crazy? I mean, at first, 257 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: I go and I wouldn't say anything back, But finally 258 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: I was asked that so many times, why don't you 259 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: smile and soften up when you're on TV? If somebody 260 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: could smile through these facts, I don't hear anything they 261 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: have to say. Because they're a big fake. How can 262 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: you smile when you're recounting something like this, I don't 263 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: get it. You've had to be on TV many, many 264 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: times telling horrific stories. I've never seen you actually grimace, 265 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: but you certainly don't deliver it with a smile. I mean, 266 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trusting any mind that could smile through this. 267 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I know. I mean honestly, Nancy, there husband 268 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: sometimes that I actually cried on the air. But I 269 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: don't know how people can't smile for crying. Yeah, I know, yeah, 270 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it's it is hard sometimes I 271 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: have to say, though, And you know, with news transitioning 272 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: from one story to the next and changing you know, 273 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: your facial expression, so that can be difficult the time. 274 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: But just I'm sitting here with goosebumps and in shock, 275 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 1: trying to absorb everything with what these poor kids had 276 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: gone through. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Serena Fazio, Scott, 277 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: Doctor block Key, Jason Camper, everybody jump in. Please, there's 278 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: no formality here. I'm not a drinker or a gambler, 279 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: but I'll tell you after this case, I swear I 280 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: could use a drink and I mean a big drink, 281 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: and I don't even know what I would order, Doctor 282 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: Alan Blockett. I think that's why lawyers have such a 283 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: high rate of alcohol, isn't drug dependency and suicide because 284 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: we see the horrificness of this case is just mind boggling, 285 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: and I think we're all reflecting that in the comments 286 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: that we're making. Our our visceral reaction to it is 287 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: so extreme because it's such an extreme case, and to 288 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: it is normal. What, Serena, what I was going to say? 289 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: You know this qu fifteen year old, right, we all 290 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: depend on our moms to protect us. So here he 291 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: is living in these conditions, waiting and waiting and waiting, 292 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: hoping his mother would come to his defense, and instead, 293 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: here he is, at only fifteen, taking care of his 294 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: two little brothers, and his mother never ever ever came forward. 295 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: I mean, that's pathetic. Guys. Take a listen to Eric 296 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: cut one day. This is zach Tartari khou eleven. According 297 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the mother of the 298 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: boys and her boyfriend were brought in for questioning but released. 299 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: Child Protective Services send us this statement that says, in part, 300 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: the agency is seeking emergency custody of the three boys. Oh, 301 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: he wouldn't talk about his parents. Erica says she didn't 302 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 1: want to push the boy too hard with questions, hoping 303 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: he would open up to her, because I did not 304 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: want him not to come to me for food. If 305 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: you're that hungry, I want him to keep coming through. 306 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: At least I know he was eating. The neighbors cared 307 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: more about this fifteen year old than the mother, and 308 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: I don't hear about anybody feeding the other children, the 309 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: ten year old and the seven year old. I wonder 310 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: if the fifteen year old would take the food back 311 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: to them. Did I just hear that straight? Would you 312 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: play the beginning of that one more time? Please? Uh, Tyler, 313 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: please play the beginning of one B one more time. 314 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: According to the Harris County Sheriff's Office, the mother of 315 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: the boys and her boyfriend were brought in for questioning. 316 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: But release. Okay, there, right there, right there, you're released. Released. 317 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Okay. 318 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: First of all, we don't say OMG on crime stories, sorry, 319 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:53,160 Speaker 1: but that is released. What how did those two get 320 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: out of jail? Serena help me? Well, definitely said at 321 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: the beginning that they didn't have enough evidence to keep 322 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: them Nancy, Oh, other than the eyewitnesses that saw the 323 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: boyfriend beat the child dead. Oh, and listen to this. 324 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: Listen to this, doctor Alan Blockkey. Hold on, I've I've 325 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: got to quote it verbatim. The little boy witness said 326 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: he watched his little eight year old brother, Kendrick Lee, 327 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:26,360 Speaker 1: stop blinking during the assault, the kicking assault where he 328 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: was kicked in the stomach, the back, the rear end, 329 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: and the genitals, the boyfriend, the stepfather, And he watched 330 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: as his little brother quit blinking. And I don't know 331 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: why it came to mind, doctor Blockkey. My daughter at night, 332 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: she goes good night, and she closes her eyes like 333 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: a little princess. She looks like a sleeping beauty. She 334 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: just lies there all night and doesn't move, just perfectly 335 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: with their little face, perfectly composed. My son kicks like 336 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: a wild animal. But I've watched him fall asleep and 337 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: he looks and he looks soften to the distance. The 338 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: lights might be off, and then he closes his eyes 339 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: and he's asleep. That's how he falls asleep. And I'll 340 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: never forget either of them, the way they fall asleep 341 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: as babies, as children, And now you got this brother 342 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: saying I was watching my little brother, I was watching 343 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: Kendricks and I saw his eyes stop blinking while my 344 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: stepfather was kicking him dead. What more information did they 345 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: need to hear? I mean, I didn't help us in yeah, 346 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 1: Jason Campo, What more information did they need? The only 347 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: thing I can think of it at this point with 348 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: that is sometimes they wait until interviewers for the children 349 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 1: can come in and do it in a more sterile setting, 350 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: and the police don't just instantly go right to the 351 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 1: children and start questioning them and asking them. So the 352 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: only thing I can think of is maybe they hadn't 353 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: done those interviews yet with the children when they had 354 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: the parents in there the first time, and that's why 355 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: they let them go the first time, until they actually 356 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: got to talk to the children. Mother and boyfriend charged 357 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: in boy's death and siblings abandonment in upscale Houston apartment 358 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: released released Serena Bazon. Why in the world would they 359 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: let them out? You know, I mean, honestly, what was 360 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: just said did make sense. Perhaps they did not have 361 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: a chance to talk to the children first, and investigators 362 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: before and arrest they do want to make sure that 363 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: they have a case. But I'm still stunned with this one, Nancy, 364 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 1: that they were actually released. I mean, don't understand it either. 365 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: I don't understand why they would be released the first time. 366 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: They're on a razor's edge with these other children, because 367 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: this other child has been murdered, all right, what's to 368 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: say that these other two kids would not also fall 369 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 1: to the same fate because they're they're essentially witnesses. They've 370 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: been ongoing witnesses for over a year to what's going 371 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: on with this body, and to eliminate them would just 372 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: you know, bolster any kind of case that the perpetrator 373 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: might have to prove their innocence or to thwart the 374 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: prosecutors from from further prosecuting them. You know, I can't believe. 375 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm stunned. I get sick to my stomach, particularly when 376 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: when child family are involved, of child Family Services are involved. Yeah, 377 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: speaking as CPS, how come nobody noticed when the eight 378 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: year old was no longer in school? And why cples 379 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: go visit the home? Who's that that, you, Serena? Yeah, 380 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: that's a very interesting point, because you know what came 381 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: up was there was an issue with truancy. Right, but 382 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: because of this whole unprecedented time with COVID, even that 383 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: department said, even though that department said that many cases 384 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: fell through the cracks and investing, when people say admitted 385 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: to that, that is all. That's a technical legal term. 386 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: Another one, Jason Campo, that means somebody didn't do their job. 387 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: It just slipped through the cracks. B s. You threw 388 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: it through the cracks. You neglected to do your job. 389 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 1: That's what face masks. That's what these are for, so 390 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: you can get out there and do your job. That's 391 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 1: absolutely right. You know, there is no excuse for that. 392 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened there in the breakdown 393 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: of that, but somebody also needs to look into that too. Guys, 394 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend and cut three and 395 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Alaya ruiz Kho. You listen the Medical Examiner's office releasing 396 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: the cause of death for that nine year old little boy, 397 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: ruling his death homicidal violence with multiple blunt force injuries. 398 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: The boy has not been identified at this time. We've 399 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: also learned the boys attended a lefist. The school district 400 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: says the last time they were in school was in 401 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: May of twenty twenty. They never went back to school 402 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: after that. The school district says they made several attempts 403 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: to contact a mother, even visited the apartment back in 404 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: September of twenty twenty, but they were not able to 405 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: reach anyone. The school district says the mother had two 406 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: truancy cases for two of the boys. One case was 407 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: for twenty nineteen and the second was for twenty twenty, 408 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: but the cases were not prosecuted by the Harris County 409 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: DA's office during the pandemic. So everybody's blaming the pandemic, 410 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: all right, and we'll wait. You know how I feel 411 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: about politics, and I don't want to drag that into 412 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: the murder of a little eight year old boy. But 413 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, anybody on the panel, anybody 414 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 1: in the studio. I know you can't wait to correct me. 415 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: Are there are no more mandates? I know they're not 416 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: in Florida? What about in Texas? Do you have to 417 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,639 Speaker 1: wear a mask? Do you have to get the vaccine? 418 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: So they're blaming the pandemic, but they're they're not worried 419 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: about wearing a mask or vaccine. What's the story on that? 420 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: How can you blame the pandemic. If you're not worried 421 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: about it, anybody feel free to jump in. Jason Campo, 422 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: You're in Texas. What's happening? So the mask mandate, there 423 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: is not a statewide one right now. Some school districts 424 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: individually are trying to still enforce them, but there is 425 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: nothing that is statewide right now that is mandated for 426 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: schools to be open or in any instance like that. Wait, 427 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: there's no mandate for schools to be open. There's no 428 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: mandate that they have to wear masks. The CPS is 429 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: still hiding behind the pandemic. That's why they didn't do 430 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: their job, is that what they're saying. Very hard to 431 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: believe that these children were not on CPS's radar prior 432 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: to these events. There was merely a truancy issue. This 433 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: is ongoing abuse that was going on for a protracted 434 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: period of time. Nancy, the fact that they would actually 435 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: have the audacity to talk about the COVID epidemic relative 436 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: to this is absolutely intellectually insulting. Said it so much 437 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: better than I did. Just got more trial that the 438 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, take a listen to 439 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: our cut eight this is Sergeant Dennis Walford. Listen, nine 440 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: year old does have an injury to the jaw that 441 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: we can believe was close to his jaw by the 442 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: boyfriend Brian Coulter several weeks ago. There was no medical 443 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: attention given for that injury. Um that that injury is 444 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: going to cause or is he's gonna have to have 445 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: surgery and that surgery will happen soon. Um. They were 446 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: very thin. Uh. You know. One of the first things 447 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 1: I asked them what they are they hug and they 448 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: said they were And first thing I don't know is 449 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: because we're cops, are what? But they wanted donuts, so 450 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: we immediately went and got them Shipley's Donuts. But there's 451 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: the physical injury that was evident to the nine year old. 452 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: You know that that's the only real over a sign 453 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: of trauma to them as far as far as physical. 454 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: Let me go to an expert in Texas Donuts is 455 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: Jason Campo joining US Chief Prosecutor out of Cameron County. 456 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: Jason is what a ship please like Krispy Kreme is 457 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: to Georgia, Shipley is to Texas? What a ship please Dinuts? 458 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: It is? Ship Leaves is a is more like a 459 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: Dunkin Donuts here, but we have Shipley's all over the 460 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: state of Texas. That's a very popular donut. I mean 461 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: it's the cakey kind. Yes, okay, yeah, I don't like that. 462 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: I like the crispy cream kind. But I have never 463 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: refused a donut of any sort. So I need to 464 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: come and do an exploratory search of Shipley's Donuts. And 465 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: you guys out there, and Dodor Blokey, you may be 466 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: able to help me. Jason, Joe Scott Serena. You may 467 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: wonder why that lieutenant, excuse me, Sergeant Dennis Wofford laughed 468 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 1: about the boys wanting Shipley's donuts. You know why, because 469 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: sometimes it is so overwhelming you can either just get 470 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: dragged down into it and never get back out, or 471 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: you can find something every once in a while to 472 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: smile about. And you know, to you Jason Campo many 473 00:31:54,680 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: many times, many times and even to this day, truly 474 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: close friends and I at the District Attorney's office. We 475 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: don't talk about the cases because they are very upsetting 476 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: and I could be, you know, prepping for a trial. 477 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: Of course, I wouldn't eat lunch during a trial, but 478 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: prepping for a trial, and I would have a sale 479 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: with some money and we would talk about everything but 480 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: the case, because it can take you down a dark 481 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: hole of depression and you can hardly get back out again. So, 482 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, God bless Ship Pleas Donuts for that one 483 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: moment the sergeant could smile during this investigation. Did you 484 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: experience that? I definitely we do. I think it's an 485 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: unspoken rule among profecutors that when you go to lunch 486 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: or when you sit down and have lunch together, you 487 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: talk about anything other than what you're actually working on. 488 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: The thing that made me smile when he said the 489 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: Ship pleas Donuts is that it just amazes me the 490 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: spirit of these children who have gone through this horrific, 491 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: horrific thing that I can't even wrap my mind around either, 492 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,000 Speaker 1: and they still just want a ship, please don't right, Like, 493 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: the innocence of that is just so astounding to me. Yeah, 494 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean it shows you how resilient children really are. 495 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they're going to be scarred emotionally, there's no 496 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: doubt about it that there resilience of young people is 497 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: just so obvious. Sometimes. Yeah, I'm just thinking about the 498 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: one little brother that to this day. He talks about 499 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: seeing his brother stop blinking his eyes. That is going 500 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: to haunt him. He's going to wake up when he's 501 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: sixty years old dreaming about that moment thanks to this 502 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: a hole another I'm just really throwing the Latin phrases 503 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: around today. Brian called her the boyfriend and Gloria Williams 504 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 1: the sorry mother. Speaking of upsetting, it disturbing. I don't 505 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: like it, but this is part of the case cycle 506 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: ast an hour, cut nine. This is the Harris County 507 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: Sheriff Egglin Solace. I want mentioned as well because that 508 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: was something that was very disturbing. As back to the 509 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: different parts. We had a the dry remains, skeletal remains 510 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: that were present so clearly in our initial observations. The 511 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: body had been there for a long time, you know, 512 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: and so that was disturbing. But on top of that, 513 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: we had a serious injury to another small child that 514 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: apparently had not received to our knowledge, any kind of 515 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: medical attention, any any pain treatment or anything like that 516 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 1: during the course of this. I also want to point 517 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 1: out as well, I mentioned a little bit that the 518 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: apartment was in a deplorable condition. We saw soiled carpet, 519 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: no furniture, no furniture at all, no bedding, no blankets, 520 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: nothing that that we could see. And it appeared to 521 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: have what I spent, roaches and flies and just things. 522 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: It was very bad condition for anyone, especially children, to 523 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: live in. Take a listen also to our cut tian. 524 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 1: These are documents that we obtain from the court. Listen. 525 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: Officers arrived spoke with the fifteen year old child, who 526 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: stated that he found his younger brother, the deceased minor complainant, 527 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: in a bedroom of the residence sometime around Thanksgiving of 528 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: last year, two thousand and twenty. He believed this defendant 529 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: would call the police, told officers that she never did so, 530 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: and that she then had moved out of the apartment, 531 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,479 Speaker 1: leaving them in the residence with his deceased younger brother 532 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: without adult supervision. He stated that they had found his 533 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: younger brother approximately one week before Thanksgiving. He also told 534 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: officers that the co defendant, who is the boyfriend of 535 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: this defendant, would lock them in a bedroom and he 536 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: would hear them hitting his brothers while he was in 537 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 1: the room with them. He stated he told this defendant 538 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,959 Speaker 1: about the conduct, but she ignored him, said she would 539 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: talk with the defendant, and the fifteen year old stated 540 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: quote that never worked and in our cut thirteen, listen 541 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: to what happened to the other little boy's jaw. Law 542 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: enforcement officers on scene observed that ten year old child 543 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: to have extensive swelling to his face and draw when 544 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: they made contact with him. On October twenty fourth, he 545 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: was transported to Texas Children's Hospital, where it was discovered 546 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: that he had blunt force trauma to the face, which 547 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: would require surgery because medical treatment was not sought or 548 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: obtained when he was injured. During a forensic interview the 549 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: following day, he disclosed that the injury had occurred when 550 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 1: the codefendant struck him in the face approximately three weeks prior, 551 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: and that this defendant was aware of the injury but 552 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: did not seek or obtain medical aid for him. Serena Fazon, 553 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: after we started rooting around and digging around in this case, 554 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: suddenly mommy and her live in have been arrested. Again. 555 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: Are they in custody and are they facing trial and 556 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: if so for what? Yes, so they are in custody, 557 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: and going back to that first question, why were they released? 558 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: I did a little bit of more research and it 559 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: said that detectives wanted to gather more evidence, but right 560 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:26,240 Speaker 1: now they are in custody. The boyfriend is being evaluated 561 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: go in a mental health facility, but he's facing homicide charges. 562 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: What I am concerned with, though, is the mother. Her 563 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 1: charges are injury to a child, biomission, and tampering with evidence. 564 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,360 Speaker 1: So Nanthy, you would know better, but I would hope 565 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 1: that they would upgrade those charges. I predict a grand 566 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: jury is going to hear this case. Those are the 567 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 1: current charges that she was arrested under. For instance, I 568 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,479 Speaker 1: say Jackie is still a car. I call a cop. 569 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: He comes and arrests her for still in a car. 570 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: Then we find a dead body in the trunk. Oh, 571 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,240 Speaker 1: the grand jury indict her for the murder too, Sorry, Jackie, 572 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: come in a lot of crimes over there. But long 573 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: story short, wait till the grand jury hears all this. 574 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: I believe she will be indicted as a codefendant and 575 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: then murder of her own son, Kendrick Lee. And again, 576 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: let me throw another Latin phrase at you. Rot in hell, mommy, 577 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: and take your live in with you. We wait as 578 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,879 Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,