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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And JD. Vance was wildly offended by

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Speaker 1: a Biden gaff a mere day after he called Puerto

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Speaker 1: So here we are. We have a show of shows today.

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Speaker 1: The Great Senator Alf Frankin stops by to parse the

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Speaker 1: last days of the election Psycho. Then we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Pro Publica's Molly Reddin about the leaked tapes of Project

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Russ Vought talking about the Trump administration's

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Speaker 1: plans if they are elected.

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Speaker 2: Somali Kamala held a rally at the Ellipse. It was

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Speaker 2: almost two point five times bigger than Trump's Madison Square

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Speaker 2: Garden rally. And I'm going to shock you. Triggered the

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Speaker 2: snowflake known as Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he has some kind of obsession with crowd size

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Speaker 1: and so he stayed up late at night. True thing,

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Speaker 1: very mad, he said. Kamala's speech was terrible, full of

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Speaker 1: his criticism is amazing. He wrote on truth quote unquote

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Speaker 1: social in the middle of the night. Where are the jobs?

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Speaker 1: There are none. This is a very tight labor market.

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Speaker 1: So that's maybe not where I would go. Two hours later,

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Speaker 1: so he had trouble sleeping and maybe perhaps saw his

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania internals because he followed up with Pennsylvania is cheating

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Speaker 1: and getting caught comma at large scale levels rarely seen before.

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Speaker 1: And then all caps. You know he's doing well when

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Speaker 1: he hits into all caps report cheating to authorities, law

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Speaker 1: enforcement must act Comma now explanation. The post was apparently

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Speaker 1: response to a false report that Pennsylvania officials had sent

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Speaker 1: early voters home without ballots. Trump has a tendency to

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Speaker 1: look you know, this is what the guy does, right.

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Speaker 1: All he cares about is crowd size and not going

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Speaker 1: to jail. So he's truthing about crowd size and winning

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Speaker 1: the selection. Because remember Donald Trump is running to stay

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Speaker 1: out of jail. Right. He has that federal case. The

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Speaker 1: document's case is really an open and shudcase, and the

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Speaker 1: MAGA judge did dismiss some of the cases against him.

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Speaker 1: But my man has just got a lot of legal exposure.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, his biggest donor the richest guy

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Speaker 1: in the world. You'll remember Elon musk Well. Wall Street

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Speaker 1: Also not something you're supposed to do when you have

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Speaker 1: top secret clearance. So you can tell that this is

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Speaker 1: a we don't want to go to jail campaign.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm shocked more people don't mention that basically both

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Speaker 2: of them are running to stay out of jail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you can see that they have the drive

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Speaker 1: of someone who it's not just about winning, it's really

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Speaker 3: We have to remember.

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Speaker 2: Elon even said as much to Tucker Carl So this

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Speaker 2: isn't you and I'm making wild conjecture here. So speaking

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Speaker 2: of mister Elon, he is talking about how we might

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Speaker 2: have to endure hardship and crash the economy. What are

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Speaker 1: Elon has when not jumping up and down like a

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Speaker 1: as Tim Wallas calls him, a dipshit, Elon has this

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Speaker 1: billionaires really uncomfortable with the debt. By the way, this

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Speaker 1: is a guy who made all his money from government subsidies, right,

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Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that is caused all this debt. Right,

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Speaker 1: government subsidies, tax breaks for him. So you know, like

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Speaker 1: If these laws were clear, you would have fewer women dying.

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Speaker 2: But everyone's happy that Donald Trump turned it back to

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Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, Donald Trump says, everyone is happy except

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Speaker 2: So speaking of Donald Trump and women a thing I

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Speaker 1: So Nicky Haley is like trying to keep her powder dry.

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Speaker 1: really really important, this Scotus ruling. So today scotis six

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Speaker 1: days before an election. Virginia had an appeal after a

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Speaker 1: federal judge found that the state illegally purged more than

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Speaker 1: sixteen hundred voter registrations in the past two months. A

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Speaker 1: to read you a guy called Steve Mazzy. He covers

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court for the Economists. Very very smart guy.

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Speaker 1: He wrote, I haven't been worried unduly about Scotis messing

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Speaker 1: November fifth, while providing zero explanation is a little ominous.

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Speaker 1: Watch these fuckers because the Conservatives in the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: we should all be on high alert about the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Al Franken is a former Senator and the host of

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Speaker 1: the Al Franken Show. Molly Bredden is a reporter at

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Speaker 1: Pro PUBLICA. Welcome back Too Fast Politics, Al Franken Ami.

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Speaker 1: We're just tearful today, so we're just filled with joy.

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Speaker 1: Harris did a speech last night at the Ellipse. It

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Speaker 1: and it was a wildly lauded speech. Then Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: I think, and again you know with Biden you're not

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Speaker 1: By Biden, and he is hoping that this will become

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's Basket of deplorables moment. Even though Joe Biden

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Speaker 3: Do you know the history of basket of deplorables? Because

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Speaker 3: she wasn't referring to the people, she was referring to

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Speaker 3: the basket of attitudes they had.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: I know, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: You're in the post truth ecosystem.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, I just feel bad for

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Speaker 3: And Pennsylvania has a large Puerto Rican population.

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Speaker 1: Like half a million.

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Speaker 3: say that Trump might be the American Hitler, right, right,

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Speaker 3: he said that. And a number of years ago Walls

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Speaker 3: Now, let me, can I ask you something about Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, two things can be true. Donald Trump can

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, we have two things are working together here

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Speaker 3: But what does he think his voters are? What does

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Speaker 1: Because I'm gay? What do you think I'll let you

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Speaker 3: Well, just a scary though. I think the American people

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Speaker 3: No, no, I was, but he was allowing Trump to

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Speaker 3: puzzled by. But if that is the final argument that

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Speaker 3: out what the American people respond to?

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Speaker 1: Yes we are, and now we wait ye outrank and

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Everyone vote, everyone vote, and everybody do everything you can

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Speaker 3: between now when you hear this to get out the vote.

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Speaker 1: Yep. That's all we can do.

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Speaker 3: It's gotv time get out the vote, ye, So make

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Speaker 3: sure that all your friends, all your relatives, not the

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Speaker 3: ones that are going to vote for Trump, but make

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Speaker 3: sure that everyone you know who should be voting vote

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Speaker 3: And also you can get still the time to get

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Speaker 3: on and make phone calls and door knock. It's still

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Speaker 3: time to do that.

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Speaker 1: Fully your college kids into voting. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Molly.

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Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how

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Speaker 1: awful Trump's second term could be? Well, so are we,

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Speaker 1: which is why we teamed up with iHeart to make

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Speaker 1: a limited series with the experts on what a disaster

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Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we have just released the final episode of this five

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Speaker 1: episode series. They're all available by looking up Molly Jong

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Speaker 1: Fast Project twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you

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Speaker 1: lock screen and it will play back just like a podcast.

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Speaker 1: All five episodes are online now. We need to educate

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Speaker 1: Americans on what Trump's second term would or could do

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Speaker 1: to this country, So please watch it and spread the word.

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Speaker 1: Molly Reddin is a reporter at Pro Publica. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, Molly, thank you for having me. I'm so

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Speaker 1: excited when people are named Molly and are not a dog.

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Speaker 1: Oh I got me too, like an actual dog.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, ye oh my god, there are too many.

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Speaker 1: It's so I don't understand what happened, but everyone in

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Speaker 1: the world decided to name their dog Molly about ten

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Speaker 1: years ago or five years ago. For those humans named Molly,

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Speaker 1: it's very annoying, it is. Yes, yeah, I'm happy you

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Speaker 1: share this predicament with me. Now, speaking of things that

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Speaker 1: are both annoying and worrying, let's talk about Project twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five. But before we talk about it, you work

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Speaker 1: for pro Publican. Propublican does some of the most important

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Speaker 1: straight reporting. It's a moment when we really desperately need this,

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Speaker 1: so tell us about this story.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much. And yes, what the story

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Speaker 4: is about is we obtained through our reporting, a pair

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Speaker 4: He was in charge of Trump's budget at the end

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Speaker 1: Was the head of the office management About.

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Speaker 4: It right, and roughly what that means? That office is

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Speaker 4: responsible for sort of making sure that the money going

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Speaker 4: objectives and agenda. But he was prepared to take that

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Speaker 4: small d democratic and really just turn the federal budget

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Speaker 4: he's laying out in these speeches is how Project twenty

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Speaker 4: him achieve that. And it's also mixed with a very

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Speaker 1: I want to pause for a minute and talk about

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Speaker 1: just like sort of unpack this. So Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: I was involved, did this documentary series on YouTube about it,

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Speaker 1: and for the few of you who did not google

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Speaker 1: Molly johnfest in Project twenty twenty five, but I just

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Speaker 1: It is this document website. It's a staffing directory too.

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Speaker 1: But it's also these ideas that the second Trump Admin,

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Speaker 1: And they are largely about sort of drowning the federal

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and also just concentrating even more power in the

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Speaker 4: you know, Pormer. President Trump has said that he doesn't

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Speaker 4: ton of according to the contrary and also Project twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five, which is this, you know, nearly thousand page document.

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Speaker 4: A lot of what it lays out are pretty close

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Speaker 1: Right, but also they really do involve cutting funds the

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Speaker 1: tell us Russ Voyd, what has he been doing since

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Speaker 4: So, since he's been out of the Trump Admin, he's

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Speaker 4: been running a think tank called the Center for Renewing

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Speaker 4: for a next Trump administration. You know, he has talked

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Speaker 4: all of what President Trump is running on. So they

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Speaker 1: Give me like explanation about what the videos are of?

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Speaker 4: Sure, so you know the videos are partly laying out

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Speaker 1: Do we know how we got the videos? Like how

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Speaker 4: I mean the videos seem to have been produced by

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Speaker 4: the Center for Renewing America.

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Speaker 1: Wow, interesting and then maybe not released because they might

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Speaker 4: These videos were of russ Vote addressing people for annual

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Speaker 4: conferences of Center for renewing America. And you know a

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Speaker 4: be released publicly, and we found them through our reporting, right.

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Speaker 1: So give me a sort of what he says in them.

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Speaker 4: There's sort of two types of things he talks about.

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Speaker 4: republican government with Christian principles. So that's one aspect, and

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Speaker 4: he lays us out in really dramatic terms. He talks

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Speaker 4: is a quote rival seventeen seventy six and eighteen sixty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then explain to us kind of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, the other half of what he talks about,

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Speaker 4: This has been a big priority for the Center for

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Speaker 4: They are really interested in laying the legal groundwork, making

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Speaker 4: specifically vote talks about using it to put down domestic protests.

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Speaker 4: And so he's talking in these speeches, which he hasn't

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Speaker 4: that is going to rationalize on paper deploying the military

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Speaker 4: twenty following the unrest over George Floyd's murder, and if

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Speaker 4: is essentially what he's saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so that's sort of an amazing and

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Speaker 1: also quite insane thing, which is this idea that they need,

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Speaker 1: Does he justify it in any way?

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Speaker 4: I mean, he refers to the protests as riots and

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Speaker 4: sort of conjures up images, which are you know, not

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Speaker 4: really accurate of pro democracy protests being very violent. One

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Speaker 4: trail calling Trump a threat to democracy. Obviously, they have

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Speaker 4: a lot of things to say about Trump, but that's

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Speaker 4: one of the things that they've been campaigning on, and

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Speaker 4: Vote has sort of recast that as that's not Democrats

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Speaker 4: That is Democrats using what he calls coded language to

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Speaker 4: saying they're trying to make Trump sound like a would

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Speaker 4: find that necessary, they're not going to respond to those

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Speaker 1: We've really hit upside down here, right. The idea is

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Speaker 1: and the reason why it's not being encouraged is because

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Speaker 1: Democrats are saying that Trump is an autocrack. That's right,

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Speaker 1: which is real upside down world.

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Speaker 3: Staff.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean something that he sort of refers to

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Speaker 4: in one of the speeches that we don't exactly detail

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Speaker 4: General Mark Milly, who was the chair of the Joint Chiefs,

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Speaker 4: that that's a really dangerous and terrible idea and you

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Speaker 4: shouldn't do that. That's sort of what Vote is referring

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Speaker 4: to here, is that he doesn't want the military to

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Speaker 4: have these protomaocracy instincts.

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Speaker 1: Right, So the idea is to paint democracy as partisan,

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Speaker 1: that's right, And to say that democrat saying that Trump

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Speaker 4: Right, that it's not actually a pro democracy message, it

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Speaker 4: is simply an anti Trump message.

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Speaker 1: Right. Does void think he's going to get any traction

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Speaker 1: with this idea or is there a pushback from the

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Speaker 1: person he's talking to.

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Speaker 4: He's addressing a crowd, he's making a pair of speeches

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Speaker 4: where he's sort of uninterrupted for forty five minutes. The

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Speaker 4: Vote has told people privately. Rather in July, he accidentally

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Speaker 4: spoke to a pair of undercovered journalists who were hoping

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Speaker 4: as representatives of a potential donor and CNN got product exchange. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he's talked about how Trump has blessed the Center for

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Speaker 4: a New in America and was very supportive of what

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Speaker 4: we do, and certainly a lot of people working at

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Speaker 4: the Center or with the Center remain in favor in

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Speaker 4: Trump's orbit.

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Speaker 1: I want you to sort of pull back here. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think that these speeches? So when were they given?

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Speaker 4: They were given in twenty twenty three, and then.

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Speaker 1: You're in twenty twenty four, and they were given to

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Speaker 1: a large group of donors or.

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Speaker 4: There were some donors in the audience. There were other

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Speaker 4: speakers featured on some of the promotional material include Representative

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Speaker 4: Chip Roy from Texas, Deeve Bannon, Scott Perry, another representative

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Speaker 4: Mark Paletta who's also a former budget officer with the

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Speaker 4: Trump administration. Ken Kuchinelli who was involved with DHS in

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Speaker 4: the first Trump administration. And so that is sort of

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Speaker 4: sort of like the cohort he's speaking to.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think these speeches have been released now?

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Speaker 4: I think they've been released out well, first of all,

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Speaker 4: because we found them, yes, right, good point, Yeah, they weren't,

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Speaker 4: you know, they weren't met for public consumption. And I

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Speaker 4: can see why because they put all of these fairly unpopular.

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Speaker 4: You know, Project twenty twenty five is not popular, and

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Speaker 4: that's part of like why we believe Trump is trying

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Speaker 4: to distance himself from it. You know, they put a

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Speaker 4: lot of what Trump and his allies have been talking

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Speaker 4: about about retribution and revenge all in one place in

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Speaker 4: very like dark and foreboding terms. There's not a friendly

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Speaker 4: frame around this. This is a really I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: we use this word and the story. It's a really

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Speaker 4: apocalyptic vision for what the country could look like. And

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Speaker 4: so I can see why, you know, these weren't posted

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Speaker 4: on the Center for a Newing America website.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's important to realize that when people

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Speaker 1: figured out what was in Project twenty twenty five, it

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Speaker 1: was wildly unpopular. Right, taking away healthcare unpopular, This kind

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Speaker 1: of Christian nationalist stuff. You can't get the majority interested

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Speaker 1: in this. They don't like it because it's so so

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Speaker 1: different than the way we live now in this country

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Speaker 1: and the way we live more broadly in this century.

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Speaker 1: So it's not popular. But what this does, I think,

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Speaker 1: which is really important. It threads a needle between Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump and Project twenty twenty five and what it's going

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Speaker 1: to look like in five days if people really like

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you know, to your point, once

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Speaker 4: people figured out what was in Project twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't popular. I think it's really compelling that, you know,

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Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five, these big white papers about what

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Speaker 4: we should do under our next administration. Even though Project

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty five is public, it's not written for the

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Speaker 4: average voter, right, they're white papers. Therefore, people expecting to

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Speaker 4: be the under secretary of whatever in the next administration.

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Speaker 4: And so I think it speaks to how extreme a

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Speaker 4: lot of the proposals are, that the plans have really

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Speaker 4: resonated with and alarmed a lot of just ordinary people.

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Speaker 4: I think it's it's really unusual that what is essentially

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Speaker 4: a policy document becomes kind of a watchword for what

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Speaker 4: a future administration is planning. And so that that really

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Speaker 4: sticks out to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much, Molly, thank you a moment

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Speaker 1: sick Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: Molly jung Fast. One of the things I think has

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Speaker 2: not been pushed to the American people enough is the

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Speaker 2: horror that RFK Junior, conspiracy theorist, crazy person of many decades,

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Speaker 2: man who once stalked an event you and I through

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Speaker 2: that he would be the head of the DC and

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Speaker 2: technic all our lives if Trump gets elected.

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Speaker 3: What are you seeing here?

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior is a crazy anti vax conspiracy theorist who

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Speaker 1: does not understand science, either because he's very, very stupid,

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Speaker 1: which is what I think, or there's some other reason.

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Speaker 1: I think it's because he's stupid. He does not understand

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Speaker 1: how vaccines were. He truly believes that they don't work.

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Speaker 1: He does not understand science. He is a moron. He

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Speaker 1: made some kind of nefarious deal with Donald Trump, and

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is now saying that he's going to put

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Speaker 1: him in charge of the CDC. I don't actually think

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Speaker 1: that's going to happen, because I don't think Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: really keeps his promises. But even the fact that he's

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Speaker 1: offering that should make you terrified, should make you clear

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Speaker 1: that this guy does not give a fuck what happens

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Speaker 1: to any of us, and the idea that he would

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Speaker 1: put RFK in control of the CDC is just completely

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Speaker 1: in And you do see these Republicans really are at

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Speaker 1: war with the federal government and trying to destroy it,

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Speaker 1: and that, my friends, is our moment of fuck right.

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Speaker 2: It's a little scary with the brain worm got a

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Speaker 2: bunch of his brain, and that's who we think should

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Speaker 2: be running things.

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