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Speaker 2: Diana Rossini is going to join us.

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Speaker 1: Our thanks uh to Reese Davis for joining us from

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Speaker 1: the back of his car and his driver for making picks.

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Speaker 2: That was an hour number one. I love that, Preece Davis.

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Speaker 1: We drove home with Reese Davis this morning once he

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Speaker 2: What are you laughing at?

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Speaker 3: Because I put far too much money on his driver's picks,

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Speaker 3: like like like not an amount of money I should

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Speaker 3: be putting on his driver, just yelling from from from

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Speaker 3: the front seat, Take Florida.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'll tell you what if that driver goes three

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Speaker 1: and now he's back next week and every week and

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Speaker 1: every week, no question about it. Our thanks to the

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Speaker 1: great Chris Sims who joined us in god Bless football.

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Speaker 1: So we've got you covered here for the big football

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Speaker 1: weekend and Thanksgiving. Our thanks to Mark Kachman as well,

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Speaker 1: starting a new podcast with him on Monday. Subscribe to

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Speaker 1: that when Taylor gets the feed up. It is with

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Speaker 1: Stugatzi Hak that's the name of the show. But Diana

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Speaker 1: Rossini's going to join us here Mike. She's very busy.

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Speaker 1: She works for the Athletics. She has a new column

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Speaker 1: out right now. New York Times dot com is where

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Speaker 1: you can get it. The Athletic is where you can

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Speaker 1: get it. Talks about JJ McCarthy, some issues there, the

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Speaker 1: Jerry Jonestrey that no one talks about. But I am wondering,

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Speaker 1: I am wondering. Do you fancy you know Diana Racini?

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Speaker 1: She is a dear friend of mine. We've had her

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Speaker 2: She's great.

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Speaker 1: Do you fancy her as someone who is preparing a

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving meal for her adorable kids, her great husband and

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I have her, mad. I have her making

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Speaker 3: Least that's cooking though, Mike, I mean, but but what

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Speaker 3: I mean is I have her defrosting alasagna. She made

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Speaker 1: So you have this as a very Italian Thanksgiving. There

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Speaker 1: is no turkey. There is just lasagna.

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Speaker 4: I mean, no, somebody makes a turkey. Nobody eats it.

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Speaker 2: Because the turkey needs help.

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Speaker 4: Because because the turkey needs help.

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Speaker 3: To tell you that, did she they fill up on

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Speaker 2: Is your wife? Like? What is she doing?

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Speaker 1: Is she preparing a Thanksgiving meal? Are you preparing it?

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Speaker 1: How does this work?

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Speaker 3: So I'm cooking everything that everybody eats, and my mother

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, not bad? What do you do?

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Speaker 4: Mashed potatoes? Stuffing? I got the apple pie.

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Speaker 2: All the wide receivers, yes.

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Speaker 4: I got all the I got the defense.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Diana Versini is getting her hair ready?

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Speaker 2: What I home on?

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Speaker 5: Like I always forget that you guys should just go

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Speaker 5: and I this is the problem with this show. I

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Speaker 2: It's not You're right, it isn't real. It is the

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Speaker 5: You're that's what we should call it. That's why I

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on a second.

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Speaker 1: We promoted the new column that's out now New York

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Speaker 1: Times dot com and the Athletic. Okay, we did promoted

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Speaker 1: the tray that no one talks about, that Jerry Jones

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Speaker 5: So rude? Yeah, So we have a lot. Do you

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Speaker 5: Okay, So, like my parents.

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Speaker 1: Greeted me today by saying, you hate the holidays, it's.

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Speaker 5: It's a little bit of time I'm a little tired

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Speaker 5: from just a lot of football stuff lately, a lot

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Speaker 6: This is how you know. They just set up a

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Speaker 5: No, no, it's actually a great question because and my

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh, we could do a whole show on that.

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Speaker 5: I told my parents I'm working Netflix. I got this

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Speaker 2: It's awesome.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and so I got the four thirty game Lions

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Speaker 5: So proud out of you. This was such a big

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Speaker 5: the cruise. I'll accept the award for you. If you win,

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Speaker 5: you go enjoy Because he doesn't want to go.

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Speaker 2: On, He's tried to get out of the cruise, doubting me.

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Speaker 5: To now he's like, you're winning, I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you.

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Speaker 3: First Off, congratulations, Diana. I'm very prong the we're proud

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Speaker 3: of you. Yes, yes, Second, put us there. You're it's Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 3: you're at your in laws. Who are we trying to avoid?

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Speaker 3: What's the questions we're trying to avoid? Are we getting

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Speaker 3: cornered about how you covered the eagle?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Look, I already understand the dynamic there, which is

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Speaker 5: to sports. So they have my inlaws, especially because Kevin's

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Speaker 5: got two brothers and dad he's and tickets sit for

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Speaker 5: forty years. They said, the last row of the land,

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Speaker 5: They're not like Diana, what else can you add or

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Speaker 5: what's the truth? Give us more? Oh no, no. They

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Speaker 2: I heard this? I was like, where'd you was it?

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Speaker 5: I always think, how do these morons.

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Speaker 6: Like, didn't tell them that, did you?

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Speaker 2: Well, mocking Eagles fans is like mocking him. That's how

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Speaker 5: Well, that's what it is. So I learned to and

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Speaker 5: He smells like cigars, just like yeah, And the things

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Speaker 6: Bubble think the original question is what are you cooking today?

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Speaker 2: Did you thought lisagna? Like you didn't have you cooking?

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Speaker 2: Are you mad at him?

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Speaker 5: So we're doing I don't know. I'm not mad because

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Speaker 5: I can't Mike, like you get my life, like I'm

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Speaker 1: Quiet, right, Like my wife will get mad that I'm

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Speaker 5: Yeah, get better up. I'm actually in charge of entertainment tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's your job to watch football to take

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Speaker 5: Meantime, sometimes I draw a picture of our house on

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Speaker 6: Like, this is exactly like reminder.

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Speaker 5: It just doesn't resonate with anyone that it is my job.

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Speaker 1: There's some stuff about Jerry Jones and there we'll get

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he's not going to start on Sunday's game

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Speaker 5: Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, Aaron Rodgers. They knew how good

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's so funny you're saying this, and I'm sorry

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Speaker 5: because there's always politics, right who made the decision to

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Speaker 6: It just doesn't seem like it's there for him and

437
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Speaker 6: for me.

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Speaker 2: I just don't.

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Speaker 6: If I'm an NFL team, I don't give a guy

440
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 6: three or four years anymore. It's just hey, by year two,

441
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 6: I got to know for sure, otherwise I'm looking elsewhere.

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Speaker 5: The problem is Kevin O'Connell was pretty public about his

443
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 5: thoughts about the quarterback position as in this league gives

444
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 5: up too quickly, right because look at the examples where

445
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 5: the trash is now the treasure in these other places,

446
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 5: Daniel Jones and Darnold Baker Mayfield right, like, we're seeing

447
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 5: it everywhere. You put the quarterback with some good coaches

448
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 5: and a roster, Oh look at this now, now they

449
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 5: become these these princes. So Kevin O'Connell has said, like

450
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 5: it's it's the team's fault for so many quarterbacks failing.

451
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 5: But the perspective that you have, I think is what

452
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 5: a lot of gms and owners are looking at it

453
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,119
Speaker 5: as well, like, look, you're either it or you're not.

454
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 5: And I think that is hard to figure out right now.

455
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 5: Of like we could see across this draft class right now,

456
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,920
Speaker 5: the twenty twenty four draft class, look at them right

457
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 5: like whether it's Kayla Williams or Daydon Daniels, Like, you know,

458
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 5: they got it right. Yes, the problem is we haven't

459
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 5: seen enough of JJ McCarthy, so they're going to have

460
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 5: to have very very hard conversations this off season.

461
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Speaker 1: Well, I think the problem is they're trying to figure

462
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: this out while in a super Bowl window you have

463
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: and then you have the ego of Kevin O'Connell saying, no,

464
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn I'm the quarterback whisperer.

465
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to turn any quarterback into a great quarterback.

466
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 2: Just give me time.

467
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: And Justin Jefferson is sitting there going, hey, I don't

468
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 1: have fucking time.

469
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Speaker 2: I want to win right now.

470
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Speaker 5: I mean my prime years. I mean, I mean, by

471
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Speaker 5: the way, like so much credit to Justin Jefferson. As

472
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 5: we you know, look around this NFL landscape at every

473
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 5: receiver that isn't getting the ball, like every thirty seconds

474
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 5: to shout out Philly right, like then you got Justin

475
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 5: just like, come get me? How could you speak of

476
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 5: them stay outside? Yes, you know, so the fact that

477
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 5: Justin hasn't erupted, But look, there's so a lot of

478
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 5: time left here and any you guys have seen enough

479
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 5: interviews with Justin Jefferson and seen them on Netflix and stuff,

480
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 5: and I've been around a gazillion times, like that's not

481
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 5: his vibe anyway, like he's one of the best, but

482
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 5: who knows, like I've never I think the problem I

483
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 5: had with what Kevin O'Connor was saying, I agreed with him.

484
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 5: I agreed with that thought that these programs are failing

485
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 5: these young quarterbacks. The problem is, at that time, Kevin

486
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 5: had never been in it right right. All the quarterbacks

487
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,640
Speaker 5: that we've seen him develop or have success with were

488
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 5: these like quick little moments with these veteran guys, these

489
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 5: washed up right. I had never seen him with the

490
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 5: young ones, So that kind of was always in the

491
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Speaker 5: back of my head listening to those interviews that he did.

492
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Speaker 5: And even with Treason, I think he went Zach Keith

493
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 5: for one of my colleagues, and look, the Vikings are

494
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 5: in great hands with Kevin. No one's debating his coaching ability.

495
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 5: It's just did they get this right? We don't know.

496
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Speaker 6: That's the running theory ever, Diana is that he's just

497
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,639
Speaker 6: got to be bad for a really long time and

498
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 6: then Kevin can turn him into a good quarterback waiting.

499
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 5: Or go to another team stink, and then Kevin will

500
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 5: bring it back and make you look like, you know,

501
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 5: the MVP of the league.

502
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Speaker 2: Yep, quickly here on the way out.

503
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones made it trade that I maintain I've been

504
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: saying it all week is one of the great trades

505
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: in sports history that no one will ever talk about,

506
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: a third round pick for George Pickens because we're all

507
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: focused on why he traded Michael Parsons.

508
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 5: It's it's right. If I at the end of the year,

509
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 5: when we do like our end of the year look

510
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 5: back and we say the trade of the year was

511
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 5: in Dallas, everyone's gonna think it's Micah and it's not.

512
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 5: It is not right, Like so many people are on

513
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: football are like, man, he it was a robbery, which

514
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 5: pit'sburg to get this type of player, you know, And

515
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,479
Speaker 5: so we'll see what they do in the off season.

516
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 5: I know both sides really want to get a deal done,

517
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 5: so we'll see if they tag them or if they

518
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 5: wind up giving him, you know, a brand new contract.

519
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 5: But this is a player that it wasn't like Unicorn's

520
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 5: ringbows and peaches and pittsfordh guys. And I talked to

521
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 5: Jerry about this actually a few weeks ago. I was like,

522
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 5: you know what the guy was, why'd you trade from? Like, yes,

523
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 5: it's working out good for you, but like that's risky. Yeah,

524
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 5: He's like, it's just like anything else in life, if

525
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 5: you go into it knowing what it is, you could

526
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 5: probably deal with it better. He's like, so we knew

527
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 5: what it was. And he's like, Dak's such a good leader. Shot,

528
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 5: he's so good. His wide receivers coach is really good.

529
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 5: He's like, it's it's sometimes new environments just work well.

530
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 6: They're clearly giving him the ball in places that Steelers

531
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 6: didn't give him the ball. He works over the middle

532
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 6: so well, and Pittsbord was just on the edges the

533
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 6: entire time.

534
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 5: I felt like, yeah, and now, look, I think the

535
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 5: lesson of this entire conversation is feed the receivers and

536
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 5: everybody's happy.

537
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: Wait, so do you think do you think a J.

538
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: Brown was happier getting his receptions and his yard and

539
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: a loss that he would have been getting.

540
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 5: I thought about, I thought about that.

541
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: Played out perfectly. He is.

542
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's one of my favorite players from from

543
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 5: just I just love the way it personally so freaking good.

544
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 5: But yeah, so no, I'll say I'm gonna go to

545
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 5: the game on Friday, so I will. I will find

546
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: him and ask them that question. See if I can

547
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 5: get him on the record and be like, I felt

548
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 5: great last game.

549
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: That was like a yes.

550
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 1: Since the last time we spoken, have you told anyone

551
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: that you voted for them for the MVP that you

552
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: have no intention of voting for.

553
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 5: I've done it with some coaches already, but I don't

554
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 5: care anymore.

555
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 2: Coach of the Year.

556
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've told two coaches that I'm voting for them.

557
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 5: I'm not even voting for either of them, by.

558
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: The way, but wait, he told the ballot just in

559
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: case time out. So you walked up to a coach,

560
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: you said, hey, Coach of the Year, you got my vote,

561
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: like something like that.

562
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 5: You know. I was on the phone with them on

563
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 5: separate occasions trying to get some scoop and and I

564
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 5: realized like I was doing a lot of taking, Like

565
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 5: I was like, he just gave me a lot. I'm like, oh,

566
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 5: by the way, coach, like coach of the year, I'm

567
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 5: a voter. I don't know if you knew this, but you're.

568
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 6: Definitely my great somebody who's not getting a lot of

569
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 6: credit but has been really good.

570
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

571
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, So then what I do is now now next week,

572
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 5: I got to go back and like, oh, Rave already told.

573
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 5: I'm like, just so you know, I'm not voting for

574
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 5: you because I need to get help from other coaches, right.

575
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: Yes, listen, you deserve it, but I need help elsewhere.

576
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 5: Yes, And also like, dude, you're great, like you're gonna win,

577
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 5: Like you're gonna get all.

578
00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: The votes here.

579
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 5: You don't need my So I gotta go find like

580
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 5: h like, I gotta go get like Mike McDaniel's a

581
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: vote up there and be like, look at that.

582
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: These votes are currency for her? Is he their currency?

583
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 5: Yeah?

584
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 4: No, they are.

585
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: Orders are so moral, right, they're like you like look

586
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 5: at the stops and like, you know, you know, I'm like,

587
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 5: who is got to help me?

588
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 6: Make sure you apologize to Sean Payton.

589
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: Okay, these votes are assets. I mean, that's all. It's

590
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: not him.

591
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 5: It's definitely not him trying to get on the Hall

592
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: of Fame. Watch how better my life's gonna get?

593
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: Wait, God forbid, you get a Hall of Fame vote?

594
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: Do you have one?

595
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 5: I mean, not officially, but.

596
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: It's you're the national fucking sports writer of the Year.

597
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: Let's go.

598
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean, your family's not proud of you, but this

599
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: family is okay. We love you, thank you, Happy Thanksgiving.

600
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 6: And I'll apologize to Ben Johnson for you, and I

601
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 6: hope you survive it.

602
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: I hope you survived. Ben Johnson deserves it.

603
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 5: I hope those votes are public for Sports Right of

604
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 5: the Year. I want to see her still. I'm glad

605
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 5: you have a vote. Appreciate it.

606
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: You got my vote.

607
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 6: Happy first Thanksgiving, Diana.

608
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: All right, well, good luck surviving it this circus.

609
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: Appreciate We love you, thank you.

610
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 5: I love you, guys,