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Speaker 1: Back for another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, your

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Speaker 1: Normal Friday Pod. It's all brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 1: the official bank of the New York Football Giants. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmilk. A normal show today, folks. We are

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Speaker 1: going to start with our player interview. We're also gonna

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Speaker 1: have Matthew Koller from Purple Insider, and then Bob Papa

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Speaker 1: will be joined by the head coach of the Giants,

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Speaker 1: Mike Kafka. But our players of you comes first. This week,

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Speaker 1: I had a chance to do a lengthy, entertaining and

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Speaker 1: fun interview with Giants second year running back Tyrone Tracy Junior.

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Speaker 1: Joined by Giants running back Tyrone Tracy Junior. Tyrone, what's

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Speaker 1: going on?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: How are you no good?

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Speaker 2: Doing good? You know obviously during the week of practice

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Speaker 2: is trying to just bang out these days and you know,

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Speaker 2: obviously get ready for this game.

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Speaker 1: How do you guys kept spirits high? Because you know,

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Speaker 1: I was in the locker room the last couple of days.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't think this team's record is two and twelve

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Speaker 1: if you're walking through the locker room on a daily basis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean first and Foremo comes with confidence.

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Speaker 2: You know, we have confidence in our players and our coaches.

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Speaker 2: And then secondly, we have to understand that, like you know,

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Speaker 2: it's the NFL, like one is, the winds are hard

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Speaker 2: to come by. But you also have to look yourself

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Speaker 2: in the mirror and understand that, like you know, your

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Speaker 2: your wins, the losses doesn't really define you as as

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Speaker 2: a person as a team. So and we understand that. So,

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Speaker 2: like I said, we can't walk around open because that's

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Speaker 2: really not gonna help anything. So we try to keep

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Speaker 2: the energy high, keep the you know, positivity throughout the

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Speaker 2: locker room, throughout practice, throughout the meetings, and just understand that.

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Speaker 2: Like we got to go out there and h Q

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Speaker 2: on game.

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Speaker 1: Day, Tell you're through the two touchdowns last week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was good. It was a good game.

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Speaker 2: It was it was I I enjoyed. I enjoyed. It

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Speaker 2: was my first time obviously scoring two touches in the game.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, take us through the two plays.

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Speaker 2: How'd you do it? The first one, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: is a run. I mean I saw, I saw a lane.

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Speaker 2: It was kind of like the I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you remember the one I had Broncos. Yeah, it's nothing

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Speaker 2: like that one. Obviously bron was a little more clean.

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Speaker 2: That one was clean. It was me versus versus the.

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Speaker 1: Bronco and that's when they were really overloaded on one

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Speaker 1: side or right and you cut back on there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was the same basically the same play,

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Speaker 2: same type of play, but the safety came down on

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Speaker 2: this one. Obviously, make a miss, made a move on

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Speaker 2: Louis who I believe, and then obviously getting there had

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Speaker 2: a little extra push, little help, you know, on the

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Speaker 2: two push just to get get in his own. Now

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Speaker 2: on the second one, we knew that Bobby Wagner was

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Speaker 2: going to have me, man, So it was basically like, hey,

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Speaker 2: go win your one on one, you know, I told

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Speaker 2: I told Jacks during practice, like, bro, like, if you

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Speaker 2: see this, you see him guard me, you just throw it up.

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Speaker 2: Just throw it up, man, I got you outside. I

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Speaker 2: don't I'm not gonna promise you it was gonna be

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Speaker 2: a catch, but ninety percent is gonna be a catch.

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Speaker 2: But it won't be an interception. I promise you that.

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Speaker 1: How much meat is still left on the bone in

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Speaker 1: out of the backfield that they mean you haven't seen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot. To be honest, like you said,

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Speaker 2: I think that comes with time. I think that comes

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Speaker 2: So hopefully that was a little glimpse of some of

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Speaker 2: the stuff I could do. I'm in the past game.

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Speaker 2: And then also, like in a game, I got to

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Speaker 2: I got me personally, I have to take advantage when

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if maybe you did this in the

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Speaker 1: bye week, maybe having yet, if you take a twenty

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Speaker 1: thousand foot view of your sophomore season, how would you

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Speaker 1: evaluate it or think about it? How are you thinking

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think I'm playing well. It's just

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Speaker 2: coming in obviously at a different role with SCAT and

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Speaker 2: me trying to figure that out, and then hopping back

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Speaker 2: on homing back on a horse. You know, when I'm

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Speaker 2: getting more touches, all said, I think I'm playing well.

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Speaker 2: Think I'm doing my job and king out of high

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Speaker 2: level when the opportunities do come. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just looking at it Overallice, I think as the season

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Speaker 1: I during which game it was was a few games

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Speaker 1: after you came back from the shoulder injury. I feel

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Speaker 1: like you lifted your physicality level a little bit, Like

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Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't. I mean I always run like that.

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Speaker 2: Even last year, I felt like I ran like that.

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Speaker 2: It was like said, I think it's more so just

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Speaker 2: trying to baby I guess at the beginning, just because

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Speaker 2: like I didn't want to re injury it.

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Speaker 1: Of course, so I would do the same thing I

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to re injure it. So I was

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Speaker 2: definitely baby in a little bit. But after getting more

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Speaker 2: you got these different blocks that you got to take

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Speaker 2: on because it's hard to replicate a game in practice.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to do that that obviously, like before you

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Speaker 2: get clear, you have to do some things so that

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Speaker 2: but it's hard to replicate getting tackled in certain positions

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Speaker 2: or landing on your shoulder or just blocking with your shoulder.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to do that stuff in practice. So like

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Speaker 2: some of the physicality definitely came back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you looked a lot like you to

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Speaker 1: you think you took a jump from your rookie ar

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Speaker 2: I would I think I took a jump from where

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Speaker 2: I would say, like mentally, obviously, I think that, like

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Speaker 2: I said, if I had a full season from starting

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Speaker 2: I think it was that. Uh, the numbers would say

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Speaker 1: Who played it really well, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's sort of started. I'm saying. Yeah, I would say,

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Speaker 2: you got to understand that, like football is football, Like

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Speaker 2: people ask me about, you know, this gas situation and everything.

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Speaker 2: But man, dude's balling. I want he wants me to ball.

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Speaker 1: I want him the ball you can only control with

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Speaker 2: At the same time, like I want him to play well,

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Speaker 2: of course I want and I want him to want

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Speaker 2: me to play well, Like whoever's in there, I want

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Speaker 2: both for us. I think there's enough touches for both

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Speaker 1: He doesn't want to win games ever, and.

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Speaker 2: Foremost exactly exactly, And I think that I think that

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I think my mental

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Speaker 2: my football IQ, the game has slowed down a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think that just the way that I see the

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Speaker 2: I'm being more patient and understanding, like when my blocks

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Speaker 2: are coming from. Again, this is all just like you know,

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Speaker 2: biggest jump from rookie to now.

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Speaker 1: When you spoke to the media in the week, you

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Speaker 1: made the point that you think you run better the

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Speaker 1: more touches you get. I wonder why you think that is,

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Speaker 1: and if it has something to do with what you

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Speaker 1: seeing things more when you get more comfortable with any

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Speaker 2: I would say it's like chess. For those of you

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Speaker 2: Like your first your first move is never going to

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Speaker 2: be a last move. So you know, we may run

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Speaker 2: a do a run three times, but like the run

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Speaker 2: may be three different ways. Of course, my my first

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Speaker 2: So that's why I say, like, the more touches I get,

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Speaker 2: towards the end of the game, I would say this

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Speaker 2: last game, if you ever watched some of my runs,

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Speaker 2: it was like I was like manipulating the defense to

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Speaker 1: Get You want to move the light back?

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Speaker 2: You're a different hole, right yeah, right, Just so again

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Speaker 2: that's what that's why I say I play better and

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Speaker 2: more touches I get, just but I also feel like

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Speaker 2: that's any running back because you know, I said you

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Speaker 2: you're never gonna come out and first play like it's

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Speaker 2: like that. Like you gotta understand it's gonna be some

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Speaker 2: yards and then down in the fourth quarter, third quarter

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Speaker 2: like dad, those and when you know the ten plus

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Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. You talk over the way two

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Speaker 1: about how you pointed out three specific coaches you talked

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Speaker 1: about Tim Kelly, carl And Bricello and Ladell Bets as

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Speaker 1: three coaches that you think have really helped you. But

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Speaker 1: I think the way you talked about it helped the

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Speaker 1: run game as a whole. Talk about how those coaches,

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Speaker 1: you could take him as a group even individual if

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Speaker 1: you want, how they've contributed to the run game that's

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Speaker 1: allowed you and your group to have success.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing is that

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Speaker 2: they're very detailed on their work and how they do things.

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Speaker 2: Like individually, I think each and everyone of them are

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Speaker 2: way they really just put in a game plan, like

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Speaker 2: it's never you know, the same play. It might look

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Speaker 2: like and that's that's really the truth. Because sometimes like

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Speaker 2: they they do come out and they have some mystery stunt,

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Speaker 2: some mystery blitz that we haven't seen on film from them,

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Speaker 2: but they have it for us, and we follow our rules,

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Speaker 2: we get it blocked up, and like you said, like

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Speaker 2: it's I'm not gonna say never, but it's a lot

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Speaker 2: of the time it's not a lot of free runners

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Speaker 2: coming through. It's you know, if someone gets to be

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Speaker 2: someone gets beat, is football have to but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but but for the most part, it's it's everyone's blocked

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Speaker 2: up hat on the hat and you know and Minoly

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Speaker 2: mino our guys versus theirs.

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Speaker 1: And then finally can again like this be a little

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Speaker 1: frustrating few because it takes you out of the past

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Speaker 1: game a little bit because you have to be back

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Speaker 1: there so much ready to protect, so you can't even

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Speaker 1: release late for checkdowns or you know, just get out

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Speaker 1: into the flat to give jack to an option because

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Speaker 1: you're needed in pass pro so much.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, protections first, making

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Speaker 2: sure Jackson just happen to be as that's number one.

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Speaker 2: So I definitely I don't take that for in it.

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Speaker 2: Obviously I like catching them ball, but you know I'll

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Speaker 2: block somebody so Sleigh and one Dale can catch a

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Speaker 2: seventy yard bomb down the field. I mean I'll do that,

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Speaker 2: you know, the one hundred times out of out of

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Speaker 2: one hundred. So I don't I don't really think much

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Speaker 2: of it. I'm to be honest with you because, like

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Speaker 2: I said, I know my responsibilities. As you know, running

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Speaker 2: back is for past is past protection first. Just like

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Speaker 2: you know when I running ball, I want the receivers

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Speaker 2: coming there and block the safety.

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Speaker 1: So absolutely, that's.

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Speaker 2: That's the same that's the same same thing, you know.

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Speaker 2: So uh, I'm gonna do my job and just like

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Speaker 2: you know, everybody else doing theirs.

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Speaker 1: Tyrone good stuff. That always quick luck on Sunday, thank you,

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Speaker 1: attention to the Giants opponent this week. Matthew Coller covers

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Speaker 1: them for Purple Insider. Here's my interview with him. All right,

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Speaker 1: now we turn our attention to the Giants opponent this week.

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Speaker 1: We welcome to Matthew Coller. He covers the Vikings for

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Speaker 1: Purple Insider. Matt, I feel like this is like a

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Speaker 1: once or twice yearly thing we do now. The Giants

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Speaker 1: and Vikings just keep playing each other.

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Speaker 3: I know we've become friends because of it.

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Speaker 1: So, by the way, with both teams in last place,

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Speaker 1: we'll probably be doing this again last year too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we are the old last play schedule, which

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Speaker 3: is you know, supposed to help. So no, but it

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Speaker 3: is great to be back on your show. I do

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Speaker 3: wish it was under a little bit better circumstances. I

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Speaker 3: gotta say I've had some severe jealousy watching games around

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Speaker 3: the league this year, knowing the Vikings. We're in a

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Speaker 3: lot of those games last year, those big games that

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Speaker 3: have playoff implications.

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Speaker 1: And not so much.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, but there is a surprising amount

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Speaker 3: of intrigue for this game in Minnesota. So I'm excited

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Speaker 3: to talk about it with you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Viking six and eight, they are officially eliminated from

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. The Giants are two and twelve. They've been

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Speaker 1: long eliminated from the playoffs. Why is there intrigue for

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Speaker 1: the Vikings, Tommy.

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Speaker 3: Talk to me? Why that would be? Mister nine is

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Speaker 3: the reason. JJ McCarthy, who probably should have waited a

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Speaker 3: little bit longer to create an alter ego for himself,

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Speaker 3: has over the last two weeks really played well. And

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Speaker 3: he I think had a very very tough season for

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Speaker 3: multiple reasons. I mean, one, he was coming off that

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Speaker 3: injury last year, thrown onto a team that won fourteen

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Speaker 3: games the year before and had huge, huge expectations with

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Speaker 3: tons of veteran players, And what became pretty evident pretty

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Speaker 3: quickly was that this kid's gonna need some development. That

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Speaker 3: he probably needed the season of sitting behind Sam Darnold

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Speaker 3: and being able to practice every day, but because he

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Speaker 3: had a meniscus injury that kept him out, he was

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Speaker 3: not able to and then we saw the fundamental issues

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Speaker 3: of throwing the ball, but also just the experience stuff

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Speaker 3: and how to protect the ball in the NFL, which

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Speaker 3: I think is something that you know in college you

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Speaker 3: can make certain plays and get away with them, and

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Speaker 3: in the National Football League these are the best of

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Speaker 3: the best. The game moves at a completely different speed

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Speaker 3: and he really had to learn that throughout this year.

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Speaker 3: But also another unfortunate incident set him back, which was

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Speaker 3: an ankle injury where he was out for five weeks.

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Speaker 3: They played Carson Wentz. They went two to three in

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Speaker 3: those games, which put them back, you know in the

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Speaker 3: NFC North Race. But then when he returned it was

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Speaker 3: sort of like resetting the clock again. And so finally

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Speaker 3: he's been able to string together some games. Some have

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Speaker 3: been okay and they found some ways to win, like

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Speaker 3: against Detroit, and some have been an absolute nightmare, like

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Speaker 3: when he went to lambeau Field, and the most recent

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Speaker 3: have been much much better of not turning the ball over,

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Speaker 3: not taking sacks, and then pushing the ball downfield. With

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Speaker 3: some success, as we saw him do against Dallas. So

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Speaker 3: the Vikings are trying to do something that's not so easy,

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Speaker 3: which is to figure out in the next three games

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Speaker 3: what they really have in JJ McCarthy. So this is

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Speaker 3: thirty three percent of it, and for them it's viewed

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Speaker 3: as a big game because of that.

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Speaker 1: Yet he still cannot seem to get chemistry with Justin Jefferson.

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Speaker 1: And I realize it's an impossible question to answer because

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Speaker 1: if you had the answer, you'd be having a much

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Speaker 1: more lucrative job than the one you have now. But

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Speaker 1: what's going on there from what you've been able to

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Speaker 1: see why, even as he's improved the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: McCarthy and Jefferson just can't seem to build that chemistry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if I had that answer, you know, Justin Jefferson

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Speaker 3: might give me a couple of his his chains and

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Speaker 3: his clothing you know that he wears and everything. No, truly,

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Speaker 3: I think the answer is pretty simple, which is so

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Speaker 3: I think that they know the answer. It's just how

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Speaker 3: do you execute it When you have Justin Jefferson on

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Speaker 3: your team. The other team designs their entire coverage around

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Speaker 3: trying to stop Justin Jefferson, so you have, you know,

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Speaker 3: teams bracketing him, teams pressing him. And the way that

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Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell has solved this over the years is a

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Speaker 3: lot of like dagger concepts where you're trying to use

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Speaker 3: one player to clear out some space, but the windows

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Speaker 3: close really really tightly around Justin Jefferson because everyone knows

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Speaker 3: where he is on the field at all times, so

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Speaker 3: you have to have the ball out into a specific

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Speaker 3: area of the field on the way traveling to him

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Speaker 3: as he's coming out of his break. You cannot wait

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Speaker 3: until he gets out of his break and he's running

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Speaker 3: across the field open and then throw him the ball.

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Speaker 3: You could do that with other receivers because you know

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Speaker 3: other receivers are getting open one on one, but that

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Speaker 3: just doesn't happen with Jefferson. And I think what we

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Speaker 3: have not seen much of from JJ McCarthy is those

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Speaker 3: anticipation type throws where when Carson Wentz the old vet

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Speaker 3: was in there, you'd see him release the football before

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Speaker 3: Jefferson broke out toward the sideline and then it hits

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Speaker 3: him for a first down. And I just don't think

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Speaker 3: McCarthy is really there yet And the other part is

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Speaker 3: that he doesn't have a lot of touch on the football.

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Speaker 3: It's a one speed thrower. It's everything is ninety nine

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Speaker 3: miles an hour. And that was a big part of

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Speaker 3: his scouting report coming out to the NFL, and the

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Speaker 3: big question was how much can you fix that? And

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Speaker 3: they've worked on fundamentals and he's had some touch throws,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, you need to really trust that ball,

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Speaker 3: and Sam Darnold was great at it. Kirk Cousins was

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Speaker 3: always as an anticipation thrower because he didn't have the

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Speaker 3: strongest arm in the world, and that really works for

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Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson. But this has not but we have reached

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Speaker 3: like a okay, no more excuse this type of moments

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Speaker 3: with that, because if you can't get the ball to Jefferson,

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Speaker 3: you can't operate this offense on a week to week basis. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you know, you beat Dallas they have one of the

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Speaker 3: worst defense is in the league. You beat Washington, same story,

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Speaker 3: but like, all right, now it's time to figure it

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Speaker 3: out how to connect with Justin Jefferson or I don't

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Speaker 3: know that there's gonna be a ton of confidence going forward.

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Speaker 1: And where they're at and unfortunately the Giants. I would

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Speaker 1: slide into that similar category with how their defensive plate

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Speaker 1: as well. With Washington and Dallas. What's going on the

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Speaker 1: offensive line? Who should we expect? Brian one on the

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Speaker 1: injury report, Ryan Kelly on the injury report, they are

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Speaker 1: both limited on Thursday. We're recording this on Friday morning.

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Speaker 1: And then Christian Darisaw with the knee, he's been out

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Speaker 1: a bit questionable last week, didn't make it. Who should

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Speaker 1: we expect to see on that Vikings offensive front?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So with Kelly and Brian O'Neil, I think there's

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Speaker 3: a really good chance that those guys play. They probably

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Speaker 3: are just needing a little bit of veteran rest coming

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Speaker 3: out of the Dallas game, where both of them were

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Speaker 3: really good. Especially Ryan Kelly has been a complete game

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Speaker 3: changer when he's been in for the Vikings. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he just commands that offensive line. He's helped JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 3: so much. He is absolutely excellent at picking up and

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Speaker 3: stunts and twists and all those things that the defenses

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Speaker 3: are trying to do up front. So his status is

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Speaker 3: huge for them. But I think he'll probably play the

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Speaker 3: Darisaw thing. How long do we have on this podcast.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's just been very frustrating for everybody.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because he had the ACL tear last year,

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Speaker 3: but my understanding is that it was much worse than

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Speaker 3: your run of the mill ACL tear. That's nine months

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Speaker 3: and you're coming back and you're just fine, and the

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Speaker 3: recovery has just not been like, oh, he gets a

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Speaker 3: little bit better every day and then he's one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent and then it's good to go. And it's been

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Speaker 3: a week to week type of thing where he plays

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Speaker 3: against Washington and he's absolutely excellent and nothing looks like

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Speaker 3: it's wrong, and then he doesn't play the next week,

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Speaker 3: and what exactly is happening here? And I think that

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Speaker 3: he has not fully come to trust where it's at.

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Speaker 3: I think that the recovery has dealt with and some

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Speaker 3: swelling has been mentioned, the soreness has been mentioned to it,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I think if you're in Darisaw's position

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Speaker 3: and your team is six and eight and out of

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Speaker 3: the playoff race, if you don't feel really really good

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Speaker 3: about that knee, I don't think you want to play

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Speaker 3: Brian Burns because you know, what are we playing for here?

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're all playing to find out if JJ

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Speaker 3: McCarthy's good. But I mean, Christian Darrisol has got a

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Speaker 3: long career in front of him, so that whole thing

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Speaker 3: I think has really been tough for him and really

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Speaker 3: been tough for the team. And the backup justin school

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Speaker 3: has tried as hard as you can try over there

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Speaker 3: left tackle. But John, how many how many great backup

653
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Speaker 3: left tackles are there? Probably as many as there are

654
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Speaker 3: backup great quarterbacks right like zero, So it's a tough task.

655
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Speaker 3: And then you know Brian Burns Abdual Carter like, this

656
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: is the this is the biggest edge of the game

657
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Speaker 3: by far, if Christian Darrisaol does not play, because the

658
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 3: drop off is as big as from a franchise quarterback

659
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Speaker 3: to a backup when we're talking about Derisaw to School.

660
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Speaker 1: Yeah, jihnny fans have seen firsthand when Andrew Thomas is

661
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: not in there, everything looks different for the offense. So

662
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Speaker 1: I completely get where you're coming from. Defensively, a couple

663
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: big losses. Jonathan Gernardi was kind of playing through that

664
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Speaker 1: that shoulder you know, peck thing. It looks like he's

665
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: now he's out for the year. Josh Mattelis, you're kind of,

666
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, versatile second level defender. He's out for the year.

667
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Speaker 1: Javon Hargrave did not practice both the first two days

668
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Speaker 1: this week. What are we looking at health wise on

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Speaker 1: the defense and how do the losses of those two

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Speaker 1: key pieces affect what Brian Flores wants to do.

671
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Grenard is kind of where the entire

672
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: defense starts. It's I mean, the things that Floraes does

673
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: are incredible, the different blitzes and his connection with Harrison Smith,

674
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: who's essentially a defensive coordinator on the field and is

675
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 3: you know, kind of making checks and changes in real time.

676
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Speaker 3: I mean that's great. But where it all begins is

677
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 3: one guy who wins his matchup versus the best left

678
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: tackles in the league and creates pressure. And you can

679
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: look at Grenard's sack numbers and say, well, what are

680
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: you talking about? But look at his pressure numbers. As

681
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: you and I as data guys, we understand this pass

682
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: rush win rate. He's top ten amongst starters. Pressure rate,

683
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: he's top ten amongst starters. So he's been in the

684
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: backfield causing problems. Just one of the main issues is

685
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: they've played a bunch of running quarterbacks who are hard

686
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Speaker 3: to sack, I think, but he's been every bit as

687
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 3: good as he was last year. Now it's it's intrigue

688
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 3: for us because it's gonna be Dallas Turner, who when

689
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 3: he filled in for Grenard earlier this year, had four

690
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: sacks thirteen pressures in a three game run. But you know,

691
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: he hasn't gotten to do that a whole lot. He's

692
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 3: often been trying to emulate Andrew Van Ginkle, who was

693
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: injured earlier this year and plays a completely different role,

694
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: who's more of a true like outside linebacker, drop it

695
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: back and coverage line up in different spots. Grenard is

696
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: a pass rusher and starting to get the sense that

697
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 3: Dallas Turner really is just a pass rusher. He can

698
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 3: do the other stuff, but he's not Andrew Van Ginkel.

699
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: So this is a huge opportunity for him and kind

700
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: of show what you can do at that position and

701
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 3: then maybe they'll know what they have. Overall, his second

702
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 3: year as a first round draft pick, I think has

703
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: been progress, but I would not say that he's become

704
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: the you know, the next bake star rusher in the

705
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: NFL yet And there's a chance here in these final

706
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 3: three games for him to kind of show yeah, like

707
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: you guys made the right draft pick and you know

708
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Speaker 3: you there you have something to work with here for

709
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Speaker 3: the future as a pass rusher, but maybe not quite

710
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 3: as much as a versatile player. But losing Grenard is

711
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: absolutely huge. And Mettelis, Look, I mean, that's a guy

712
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: who you never know where he's gonna line up. He's

713
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: played all sorts of different positions, and they've been playing

714
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: mostly three safeties lately rather than you know, a nickel

715
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Speaker 3: corner because they lost Jeff Okuda. So yeah, I mean,

716
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 3: Jay Ward's gonna get his opportunity. But you know, Mattellis

717
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 3: is one of the smarter players in the NFL. So

718
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: these are these are big losses and chances for the

719
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Speaker 3: Giants to face a Vikings team that does not have

720
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Speaker 3: its full breadth of players.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like Brian Flores takes the point of

722
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: blitzing and kind of turns it on its head a

723
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Speaker 1: little bit in terms of what he's trying to do.

724
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Speaker 1: And I'll try to explain the fans what I mean,

725
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Speaker 1: and you correct me if you think I'm off face here.

726
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: But it's funny you look at. One that I like

727
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: look at every week is how the opposing team's pass

728
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: rating versus the blitz. And I think the vikings are

729
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Speaker 1: like next to last in the league is like one

730
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: twenty five, right, But then you look at this, then

731
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Speaker 1: you say, wait a second. They given a fewer twenty

732
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: plus yard passes than any other team in the league. Said,

733
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Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out what's going on here, And

734
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: it's funny. A lot of people think if you blitz

735
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: a lot, you're very susceptible, it passes over the top.

736
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Speaker 1: Well that's not how Brian Flores does it. He literally

737
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: blitzes to force you to do what you're supposed to

738
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Speaker 1: do when a team blitzes, which is to throw like

739
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: a two yard dump off. But the problem is that

740
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: it's third and six, so you gain three yards and

741
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: then you have to punt. So I like the way

742
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: he's kind of designed this where it's like, all right,

743
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna blitz a lot and pressure not to get sacks,

744
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: but just to make you run your offense that you

745
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: cannot have successful plays and move the chains.

746
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Speaker 3: I think that's a tremendous description. And the other thing

747
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: is too sometimes you blitz to then set up not

748
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: blitz this ye. He shows so many different things at

749
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage where if you are quarterback, you're

750
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: looking at it and going, Okay, they had this look before,

751
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: here's what they're gonna do, or here's what I saw

752
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: on tape, and then oh, that's not even close to

753
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: what I saw. And really the lynchpint to this is

754
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: always Harrison Smith if you watch him, especially the last

755
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: couple of weeks, he's been at full health. Earlier this

756
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: year he dealt with, you know, kind of a personal

757
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 3: illness that was held back for playing entire games. But

758
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: now he's back to full health and you see him

759
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: lining up at the edge and then right before the

760
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: snap running all the way back to a deep safety spot.

761
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: Or I saw another play where he was an edge

762
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: rusher and then drop back into like a hook curl

763
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: zone and you're like, wait a minute, he just played

764
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Speaker 3: linebacker on that play, you know, after lining up as

765
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: an edge rusher. Like, there's so many different things that

766
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: they do off of him. And then real the revelation

767
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: player this year, which I didn't really see coming even

768
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: though I was a believer in this guy, was Eric Wilson,

769
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: who previously was with the Vikings, and I thought, hey,

770
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: this is a great special teamer, great depth linebacker. If

771
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 3: he needs to play, you're gonna be in good shape.

772
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Speaker 3: But what Brian Flores discovered is if you can get

773
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Speaker 3: this guy blitzing, he will run over running backs. He

774
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Speaker 3: is one of the stronger players that they have, and

775
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 3: he has just trucked running backs in the in the blitz.

776
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Speaker 3: So they've used a lot of those cross dog type

777
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Speaker 3: blitzes where you have the two linebackers go in the

778
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 3: opposite ways. He's gotten free a couple of times, one

779
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: on one with a That was the game earlier this

780
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Speaker 3: year where Jamiir Gibbs gave up seven pressures because they

781
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: just rushed Eric Wilson up the middle over and over

782
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 3: and over again and it caused so many problems. So

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Speaker 3: that's something I'm sure that the Giants are preparing for.

784
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Speaker 3: But it's hard to prepare for when you have so

785
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: many guys that are so good, uh at blitzing and

786
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: at deception. So it's gonna really test the young quarterback

787
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: Jacks Dart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then in the secondary, they have the slowest

789
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Speaker 1: cover one rate in the league. I think it's set

790
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: them in front of me. I think six percent something

791
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: ridiculous like that. That's so far the least in the

792
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: league that like the next team is not even that

793
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: close to them. It's just a lot of different zones,

794
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: and they'll I imagine they they they disguise those zones.

795
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: They don't. You don't, you don't show what you're in.

796
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: That's kind of, you know, the new in vogue thing

797
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. And you got a couple

798
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: of corners. I think Isaiah Rodgers is playing well. By

799
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: m Murphy's playing well. You mentioned Harrison Smith obviously has

800
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: been doing this forever. You know, he used to pick

801
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: up Eli Manning fifteen years ago. Yeah, talk about what

802
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: he does in the back half to compliment all those

803
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: you know, double mug shows. All right, we're dropping, we're coming.

804
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: How does what he do in the does How does

805
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: what he does in the back end compliment what he's

806
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: doing up front.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so interesting because there's always going to be

808
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: two deep safeties. But the question usually that the quarterback

809
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 3: has to figure out is is there also going to

810
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 3: be the Tampa player there? And I don't say the

811
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 3: Tampa linebacker because the Tampa player could be anybody. And

812
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 3: what I mean is in the middle of the two

813
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 3: deep safeties, you have another player in the middle of

814
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 3: that zone, and where is that guy even coming from?

815
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 3: Because sometimes that can be, you know, a linebacker. Sometimes

816
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 3: that can be a traditional type of middle linebacker, could

817
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: be outside linebacker, could be you know previously a Josh

818
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 3: mittelis a box safety who suddenly arrives there and then

819
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 3: they rotate somebody over. They do the inverted stuff where

820
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: you have the safety come down on a cover two

821
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,760
Speaker 3: and then the corner go back to where the safety

822
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: is supposed to be. It's it's all versions of coverages

823
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: that everybody uses, but how they get to that point

824
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 3: and then with who's coming on the pressures, it all

825
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: ties together to just look like you know, the conversation

826
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 3: it's been happening with the peer progressions and everything else

827
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: like that one. They're trying to get you to, as

828
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: you said, like go to the quickest option possible, but

829
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: also they're trying to make that quarterback drop back and

830
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: look at the defense in the first second of it

831
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: and go I have no idea why this player's over there,

832
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: Where this player's going is my guy open. But it's

833
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: not an invincible defense though. That is one thing that

834
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: I should say is it's not certainly they can be

835
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: run against Javon Hargrave. If he misses this game, we'll

836
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: make that a little bit tougher for them to stop

837
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: the run. Josh Mattelis is always one of their best

838
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: run defenders. Jonathan Grenard is great at setting edges. Dallas

839
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: Turner I would not say that he has reached that

840
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 3: point in his career yet. And if you can get

841
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: these guys one on one. Byron Murphy has not had

842
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: the same year as last year. And you know, Isaiah

843
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: Rodgers is blazing fast, but he's not the biggest guy.

844
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: So if you can get some matchups with bigger saw

845
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: him struggle with Devonte Smith. We saw this team struggle

846
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: with aj Brown.

847
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Speaker 2: You know.

848
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: So when they've played bigger or better wide receivers, they've

849
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: had some trouble if the quarterback can find enough time

850
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: to throw. And this is the thing that they've struggled

851
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: with with that. Jackson Dart does well is quarterbacks with

852
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: some mobility. I mean, if you're able to like a

853
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurtz or a Kleb Williams, slide around, move away

854
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: from the rush by yourself a little extra time. This

855
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: team does not have players in the secondary who are

856
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: going to hang on for four seconds if they get

857
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: manned up, It's just not gonna happen. So Jackson Dart's playmaking,

858
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 3: I think really goes into this.

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Speaker 1: Matt. Awesome stuff, my friend. Tell the folks, we think

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Speaker 1: you'll find all your great work.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Jean, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 4: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

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Speaker 1: him joining us right here on the Giants Total Podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Citizens. Now let's hear from the

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Speaker 1: head coach of the NYG interim head coach Mike Kafka

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Speaker 1: with the voice of the Giants Bob Papa.

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Speaker 4: As always, were joined by the head coach of the

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Speaker 4: New York Giants, Mike Kafka and coach you get this

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00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 4: football game against the Minnesota Vikings. This is a team

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Speaker 4: that has gotten hot as of late, the averaging thirty

883
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Speaker 4: two half thirty two and a half points per game

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Speaker 4: over there last too, when you study this Minnesota team,

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Speaker 4: what are some of the things that jump out at

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Speaker 4: you as far as the way they've progressed as far

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Speaker 4: as McCarthy's concerning their offensive productivity.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're seeing the evolution of JJ and you know,

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Speaker 5: just starting off as a young player and having some opportunities,

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Speaker 5: you know, early in the season and it's kind of

891
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Speaker 5: being up and down. Then he can continue find his

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Speaker 5: groove and find some consistency on offense. And obviously they

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Speaker 5: have some skill guys on the perimeter and in the

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Speaker 5: backfield that can obviously make an impact. And I think

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Speaker 5: JJ's is just doing a really nice job of not

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Speaker 5: only just managing the games, but also giving this guys

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Speaker 5: opportunities and putting the ball in their hands.

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Speaker 4: Although the numbers aren't there as far as what we're

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Speaker 4: used to seeing from Justin Jefferson. Talk about the impact

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Speaker 4: that he has on your team defensively because of the

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Speaker 4: threat that exists on literally every snap.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he's a guy, he's an elite player,

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Speaker 5: one of the probably the best receiver in the league,

904
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Speaker 5: and you have to you know, you have to respect

905
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Speaker 5: that and you have to know where he's at in

906
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Speaker 5: every single snap. You know, they're going to try and

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Speaker 5: find ways to get in the football and he's going

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Speaker 5: to be primary receiver for I said, the majority of

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Speaker 5: their routes. But they compliment him well with the other

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Speaker 5: guys around in the offense, you know, Naylor and.

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Speaker 4: Addison, Madison, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, like they had Hockinson. I mean, these guys are

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Speaker 5: these guys are well built. So you know, you have

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Speaker 5: one elite player or you know, a really elite player,

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Speaker 5: I shouldn't say one, a really elite player, and then

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Speaker 5: you compliment him with a bunch of different other skill sets.

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Speaker 5: Makes it hard to depend down coach.

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Speaker 1: The running game.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, they've used Mason a lot this year. They have Jones.

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Speaker 4: Both of those guys their threats in a lot of

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Speaker 4: different ways. Is that something that a lot of teams

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Speaker 4: are comfortable with as far as having multiple backs to use.

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Speaker 5: I'd say, yeah, I think I think a lot of

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Speaker 5: teams are just mixing up their personnel. They're complimenting their backs,

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Speaker 5: you know, whether ones are kind of a speedback, ones

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Speaker 5: a downhill back. You know, every I think every team

927
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Speaker 5: kind of carries a different philosophy. But yeah, I think

928
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Speaker 5: I think you see that across the league on certain

929
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Speaker 5: uncertain teams that they have kind of a you know.

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Speaker 1: A little bit of a flexibility there.

931
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Speaker 4: I'd say, let's go to the other side of the ball, right,

932
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Speaker 4: Brian Flores's defense is one that they blitz a lot.

933
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Speaker 4: They bring pressure, and sometimes it brings the illusion of pressure.

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Speaker 4: How do you go about deciphering it as a young quarterback?

935
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Speaker 4: And Jackson Dart's got to deal with it. And I know, look,

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Speaker 4: he's played a lot of ball this year. He's played

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Speaker 4: against a lot of good defensive coordinators. But each step

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Speaker 4: is a learning process. But what are some of the

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Speaker 4: keys in trying to sort of diagnose this team defensively?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it starts with just your base rules

941
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Speaker 5: and fundamentals on offense, you know, you we try to

942
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Speaker 5: create a framework of of your movement keys of your

943
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Speaker 5: identify your the individuals on defense that you need to

944
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Speaker 5: identify that could be put in conflict. So in just

945
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Speaker 5: any pass game that we had, we'd have, Hey, we're

946
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Speaker 5: looking at a flat defender, We're looking at a crooked

947
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Speaker 5: curl defender. And yeah, that body type may be a

948
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Speaker 5: dB one play, maybe a linebacker one play. Shoot, it

949
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Speaker 5: might even be a defensive end dropp into that play.

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Speaker 5: So it's but it's about putting your eyes on the

951
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Speaker 5: right spot, trusting your eye progression, trusting the base rules

952
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Speaker 5: of that concept, and then own just let your natural

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Speaker 5: ability show. And if you work within the framework of

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Speaker 5: the offense, I think, and be able to stay on

955
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Speaker 5: time and in rhythm. I think all that stuff put

956
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Speaker 5: together is going to give you the best opportunity. And

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Speaker 5: so when you have someone that you're going against that

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Speaker 5: has a multiple way to get to different different looks

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Speaker 5: and different coverages and different fronts, I think it all

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Speaker 5: of us goes back to your base rules.

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Speaker 1: Coach.

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Speaker 4: You know, last week against Washington, there were a lot

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Speaker 4: of opportunities in the football game, and it was a

964
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Speaker 4: one score game, and you had some chances late in

965
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Speaker 4: the football game and some things were just like a

966
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Speaker 4: little bit off as far as communication or what everybody

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Speaker 4: was seeing down the stretch. When you're coaching them during

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Speaker 4: the course of the week, what are some of the

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Speaker 4: things that you go back and try to reinforce to

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Speaker 4: kind of clean those things up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all the fundamentals and all the communication. That's the

972
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Speaker 5: one thing that we stress every single day and trying

973
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Speaker 5: to find that one little that one little nugget, that

974
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Speaker 5: one little piece that each player can work on and

975
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Speaker 5: hold on to can to get consistent improvement. And so

976
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Speaker 5: when we look at our guys, when we look at

977
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Speaker 5: our group, you know offensive definitely in special teams, you know,

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Speaker 5: you look at those things and you say, all right, right,

979
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Speaker 5: here's where we can really get better this week.

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Speaker 1: Here's what we gotta have to do.

981
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Speaker 2: We have to improve.

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Speaker 5: And it may be you know, a new player in

983
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Speaker 5: a new role, maybe you know a couple of different

984
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Speaker 5: players in a different role. So you know, you're getting

985
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Speaker 5: those guys caught up the speed, and our coaches do

986
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Speaker 5: a great job of doing that. But yeah, I mean

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Speaker 5: it starts with our base, our base rules and fundamentals.

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Speaker 4: Coach Andrew Thomas, I know he's up for consideration for

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Speaker 4: the Pro Bowl. And I know you look at things

990
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 4: in a team totality, but this guy has been absolutely

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00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: fantastics this year and whenever he plays. How impressed have

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Speaker 4: you been with his ability to come back from what

993
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Speaker 4: was a pretty severe injury that forced him to miss

994
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Speaker 4: a lot of time and to play at the level

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Speaker 4: that he's played at this year.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Ri, it's really no surprise to me. Since the

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00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 5: day I got here, he's been, you know, a pillar

998
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Speaker 5: of consistency in terms of his play and execution and

999
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Speaker 5: and how he approaches the game, how he approaches meetings,

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Speaker 5: how he approaches you know, his teammates in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: It's all consistent.

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Speaker 5: And you know, he's a guy that we lean on

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Speaker 5: as an offense and certainly as a coach and as

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Speaker 5: the head coach, the guy that I lean on in

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Speaker 5: terms of leadership and showing, you know, young players and

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00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 5: how the group, how this thing should be, how it

1007
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Speaker 5: should look.

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Speaker 4: Coach, We appreciate a couple minutes. Best of luck this afternoon,

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Speaker 4: and Merry Christmas to you and your family, and hopefully

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Speaker 4: Santa delivers victory here this week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you you as well. Happy holidays, Great stuff. There

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Speaker 1: from Bob, from Mike Kafka, we thank them, We thank

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Speaker 1: Matthew Kohller and of course we thank Tyrone Tracy Junior

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