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Speaker 1: God blessed football. Billy Gillo, God bless football, Mike Yang.

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Speaker 2: God blessed football, Stu Guys.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to commend Mike Yea on wearing his Yankees

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Speaker 1: hat because I know that this is God blessed football.

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Speaker 1: But oh Man, Yankees fans are not happy right now,

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Speaker 1: and they want Aaron b fired, like, want him gone.

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Speaker 3: Why they have a winning record, don't they.

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Speaker 2: Brian Cashman needs to go a boon. A Brian Cashman

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Speaker 2: needs to.

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Speaker 1: Go Aaron right because everybody says Aaron Boone mismanages the game,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to handle a pitching staff, he

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Speaker 1: mismanages the bullpen, and they blame him for everything. But

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Speaker 1: you're saying that Cashman is the one that needs to go.

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Speaker 2: Listen, this is God bless football. So I'll say this

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Speaker 2: for God bless baseball. But what what has Brian Cashman

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Speaker 2: done with the resources the Yankees have that you and

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Speaker 2: I couldn't have done.

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Speaker 3: They're seventeen and fifteen, Mike, They're thirty two games into

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Speaker 3: the season.

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Speaker 1: To go a decade ago, but they're also last place

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Speaker 1: in the American League East, and they're nine games out

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Speaker 1: of the I'm leaving.

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Speaker 3: That part out, Yes, but still a winning record, Billy.

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Speaker 3: In any other division, they'd be in first or second place.

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Speaker 1: I believe you know it's not terrible.

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Speaker 2: Well, they still wouldn't make the playoffs right now.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, in their division, but in any other division

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Speaker 3: they'd be a good baseball team.

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Speaker 2: But if the playoffs started today, they're out.

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Speaker 1: I'm tired of Yankee fence.

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Speaker 3: I'm serious, really spoiled. But no one has done more winning,

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Speaker 3: won more championships, had more great players, have more numbers

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Speaker 3: retired in their outfield, have all this stuff written about them,

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Speaker 3: get all this attention than the New York Yankees.

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Speaker 1: No sports team.

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Speaker 3: Period in the history of sports, and yet all they

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Speaker 3: do is complain. I want to fire cash Man, who's

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Speaker 3: done nothing. But when since he's been there, nothing.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while since he's won.

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Speaker 2: I missed Jaba.

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Speaker 1: Wow you do?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you got?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel? I don't think he would. You

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Speaker 2: I'm positive he would.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we should probably get a show if only we

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Speaker 1: started to show. Yeah, how do you feel about the Mets?

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Speaker 3: To guys, I feel fine, Like you know, the Braves

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Speaker 3: are difficult. I didn't expect the Marlins to be this good.

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Speaker 3: I know the Phillies are a lot better than how

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Speaker 3: sitting at second place, six games out five hundred, waiting

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Speaker 3: to get some guys healthy. We'll see what happens here.

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Speaker 3: You know this was a weird sport.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got by the way the Yankees would be

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Speaker 1: going to ask you because if you complained about at

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Speaker 1: It's like the Mets are only one game worse than

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Speaker 3: I know, but we're thirty two games into one hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty two games. Is it like gott to give

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Speaker 3: it some How do you feel about the Marlins? You

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Speaker 3: should feel great, you should feel great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's been it's been a good season for

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Speaker 1: the Marlins so far, and they're treading water and they

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Speaker 1: they're you know, Sandy Alkantra, the Cy Young Award winning pitcher,

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Speaker 1: that probably shouldn't be playing every day. But it's fine.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also not a Yankees fan or a Mets

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Speaker 3: No, That's why I'm saying you should feel great because,

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Speaker 3: for you know, two hundred million dollars less, you have

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Speaker 3: the same record as the New York Mets.

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Speaker 1: You know, oh, I mean probably more than that. Right

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Speaker 1: Hey, it was quick math.

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Speaker 3: a quick math contest? What is the payroll?

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Speaker 1: Do you have a No? I stop looking? Why? Well,

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Speaker 1: because I thought that we were just moving on from that.

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Speaker 1: Let's see MLB Payrolls twenty twenty three. God bless football

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Speaker 1: plus football. Yeah, the Mets. Here on spow check, it

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Speaker 3: Be right here, Mike, Yeah, you might have to apologize.

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Speaker 1: Marlins are at ninety seven. It says, see two hundred

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Speaker 1: I was close closer than you thought. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. You give me the difference, and

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Speaker 1: how much money do you think like if like Stutts

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Speaker 2: That Stutts would give me. Or just in.

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Speaker 4: would make mikey a good for the remainder of life,

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Speaker 4: smallest amount, right, But why am I giving it to them?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: Just you know whatever you're not you're you're giving me

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Speaker 2: Somebody gave you. I'm going to go between five and ten.

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Speaker 1: Million, I'd be all right, yeah wow. So if someone

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Speaker 2: Not for life? No, I got I got two billion

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Speaker 1: Do you think you're selling three million dollars? I think

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Speaker 1: if someone gave me three million dollars right now, tax free,

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Speaker 2: That's different. If I'm still working. I mean, not that

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Speaker 3: I think it has I think the question has to

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Speaker 1: Well, you live different lifestyle than the rest of us, Like,

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Speaker 3: Probably, No, I understand, but that amount if I could.

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Speaker 3: If someone just gave me ten million and said you

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I'd invest that into some unis, some tax rebonds, get

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Speaker 1: I'm losing that game my entire life. Can we talk

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Speaker 1: about some somewhat of football happenings Since we last did this,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has kind of been everywhere, just being the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's that's part of the deal. Right,

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Speaker 3: he left Green Bay, he came to New York. Why

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Speaker 3: you don't like it Billy being everywhere? Like Billy, he

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Speaker 3: has nothing to do for nineteen years, and now he

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Speaker 1: I mean there's those teams in other cities. Like he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes, Yeah, Wisconsin basketball game, so football games as well.

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Speaker 1: This is a different Aaron Rodgers. Like we no longer

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Speaker 1: He's been on his best behavior so far. No, kind

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Speaker 3: He's trying to fit in, Yeah, like a new school

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Speaker 3: He took sauce to the game. He went to a

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Speaker 3: Billy's right. He's not He's not saying anything dopey. He's

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Speaker 3: not doing anything ridiculous. His hair looks fantastic. He looks

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Speaker 2: I would say this, if he wasn't doing those things,

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Speaker 2: we'd be killing him for not doing Like, oh, he

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Speaker 1: So to do it?

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Speaker 2: Enjoy go three games.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering though, like, did we turn it up a

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Speaker 1: kind of move on. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Aaron Rodgers played quarterback in Green Bay for eighteen

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Speaker 3: years with barely a controversy.

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Speaker 1: I mean seriously, like, maybe.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't conducted his business off the field in a

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Speaker 3: played that game at the highest level without barely any off.

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Speaker 1: The field issues.

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Speaker 3: So I think, yes, we kind of blew it up

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Speaker 3: at the end, don't you, Mikeya In just in terms

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Speaker 3: of what kind of personality Aaron Rodgers has.

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Speaker 1: We did, I know we did.

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Speaker 2: Of course we did it.

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Speaker 1: Of course we did. It's what we do, yes, it is,

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Speaker 1: It's what we do. Billy. I'm not saying we. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: was he misbehaving to kind of like force his way out,

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Speaker 1: you know, look at what a malcontent I am. Get

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Speaker 1: rid of me, let me go.

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Speaker 3: You know, Billy, When you do a show called God

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Speaker 3: As I stated earlier, you can't do a show called

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, originally it was Smith, and I figured,

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Speaker 1: I think I want to change my last name to Lombardi.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a common Italian name. I mean, it really is.

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Speaker 3: The guys Lombardi is with us here on God bless football.

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Speaker 3: I texted you before you came on, what are you into?

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Speaker 3: John Shall sound like someone you guys know, promised to

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Speaker 3: Micha Lombardi is with us as a GM shuffle on

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Speaker 5: the first round, right, I think expectations are the hardest thing,

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Speaker 5: especially when you win. I mean, think about this, guys.

439
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 5: Ron Rivera hasn't had a winning season in five years.

440
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Speaker 5: Nobody mentions him on the hot seat. If you talk

441
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 5: to anybody in Boston, they say Belichick doesn't win, he's

442
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 5: gonna get fired. Belichick's got six Super Bowls. Ron Rivera's

443
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 5: got three winning seasons in his entire coaching career, yet

444
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Speaker 5: he's not on the hot seat.

445
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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people, though myself included, I'm

446
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Speaker 3: gonna be honest with you, like they look at Belichick's

447
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: record without Brady, and it's vastly different than the record

448
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Speaker 3: with Brady. So I think a lot of people just

449
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Speaker 3: attribute those to Tom Brady. I know I'm one of

450
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Speaker 3: those people, and you're gonna tell.

451
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Speaker 1: Me I'm wrong.

452
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Speaker 5: I know you will give me a little fact. Don

453
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Speaker 5: Schule in NFL history, right, he is coaching NFL hit.

454
00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,680
Speaker 5: He went four straight years with Dan Reno without making

455
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Speaker 5: a play else true, I mean, so I'm not denying

456
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,800
Speaker 5: Brady's greatness. I love to I have two super Bowl

457
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 5: rings because of Tom Brady, but I think it's a partnership.

458
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Where are those rings? By the way, they're here.

459
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 5: I got two in a Saint one for the forty

460
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Speaker 5: nine ers that my fingers are too fat to put on.

461
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 5: And then there's one and in my safe deposit, and

462
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 5: I have one here. And then I got a loser

463
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Speaker 5: ring from the when we went with the Raiders when

464
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Speaker 5: we lost to the Bucks.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do with the loser ring? Though?

466
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Speaker 1: Like you still?

467
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Speaker 5: I mean, I still think that was important. I don't know.

468
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Speaker 5: You know, when you get to the super Bowl, that's

469
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 5: a hard thing to get to. You know, it's not

470
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Speaker 5: an easy.

471
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Speaker 1: Yet, you know.

472
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Speaker 5: So, I mean I hate Shanayah Twain because she sang halftime,

473
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Speaker 5: so I kind of have more resentment towards her than

474
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Speaker 5: I do that ring.

475
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Speaker 1: You think Brady. You think Brady's done?

476
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do, because I think the only thing that

477
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 5: got him was was family. I mean, he has to

478
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 5: be in Miami. He's got to pick up you know,

479
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 5: he's get his kids every two weeks. So yeah, I

480
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,680
Speaker 5: do think he's done. I mean, I don't think he

481
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 5: wants to be done, but I think he is done

482
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 5: by family.

483
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Speaker 1: Is there anything Shanaia can do to change your opinion

484
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: of her? This is just gonna be.

485
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Speaker 2: No.

486
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 5: I have a rule. I mean, when Cat Stevenson Shania

487
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 5: Twain come on my radio, that guy, we're changing the channel.

488
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I have Springsteen all the time, but most

489
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Speaker 5: of the if that goes through, I'm out. I'm out.

490
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Speaker 1: Give me your top three s Twain songs.

491
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Speaker 5: I don't even know one. I mean, like, I just

492
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,239
Speaker 5: remember her sitting there, like I want to divorce her

493
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Speaker 5: from my mind. I could still see her. At halftime

494
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Speaker 5: of that game, I was in like are you I

495
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 5: thought it was a bad I thought it was a

496
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Speaker 5: Twilight Zone episode. I thought somebody was gonna come in

497
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Speaker 5: and wake me up.

498
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Speaker 1: It was brutal.

499
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Speaker 5: Have you have you met that Super Bowl? That was

500
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 5: the Barrett Robin Super Bowl? People, you know that was

501
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 5: the only one of the few Super Bowls that we

502
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Speaker 5: only had a week.

503
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Speaker 1: In between the games, right right.

504
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Speaker 5: And we were an old team and we needed that

505
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Speaker 5: extra week.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have you met Springsteen?

507
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 5: No? No, I've been a hunt.

508
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Speaker 1: Right.

509
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Speaker 2: You know, I just got this book. It's called Deliver Me.

510
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Speaker 1: How many books do you read, Lombardy?

511
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Speaker 5: A lot? I read a lot because you got but

512
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 5: this book to me, I just got this book. It's

513
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 5: about the writing of Nebraska, right right, and he describes

514
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 5: it perfectly. He says Springsteen has lived with joy of

515
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 5: burden of people one in his time. The intimacy of

516
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,679
Speaker 5: his music brings something out of people. He probably had

517
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 5: a scrap off hundreds of us just to stay on schedule.

518
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 5: That's me, Like, I'm dying to meet the guy, just

519
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 5: want to shake his hand, because really, at the end

520
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 5: of the day, if he's not singing born to run

521
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 5: across Highway nine and I don't see Lombardi on TV,

522
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Speaker 5: I'm probably stuck in this town being a baker with

523
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Speaker 5: bacon nothing.

524
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Speaker 1: I love a good baker. Yeah, go ahead, Billy, you

525
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Speaker 1: ask him how much he loves reading or how many

526
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Speaker 1: books he owns. For whatever reason, Mike, on your Wikipedia

527
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: it says you're an avid reader with an interest in

528
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Speaker 1: a biography on Lyndon B. Johnson.

529
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Speaker 5: Well, that's because a lot of times on my pot

530
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 5: I talk about the great Robert Carroll. If you guys.

531
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Speaker 5: Robert Carroll, he wrote the four He wrote all the

532
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 5: books on Lyndon Johnson. Incredible writer. He kind of inspired

533
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 5: me to write, you know, and so you know, I

534
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 5: love Carol. He's coming out with his next book. He's

535
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 5: got a documentary coming out. It's called Turn Every Page.

536
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 5: It's a fascinating story about him and his editor, Robert

537
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 5: gottlie about how they formed this partnership. Both of the

538
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 5: men are Gottlieb, I think's in his nineties and Robert

539
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 5: Carroll's in his late eighties, and they're trying to finish

540
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 5: this volume of Linda Johnson. They're on the last part

541
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Speaker 5: of him of the of us being in Vietnam, and

542
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 5: then Henrytire we're not running for president, and then dying

543
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 5: in Austin.

544
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Speaker 1: How many books have you?

545
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Speaker 3: I know it's hard to put a number on it,

546
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Speaker 3: but how many books roughly have you read in your life?

547
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Speaker 5: I don't know, that's a hard thing to decide. I mean,

548
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 5: I read quite a bit. I try to read every day.

549
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 5: I have a goal to read at least fifty pages

550
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 5: a day of something. And I listened to all of

551
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 5: the books too, you know, I just I just was

552
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 5: in Vegas for visa for the last two months, and

553
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 5: I drove back across the country. I just got home

554
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 5: today to New Jersey, and so I listened to books

555
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 5: across the country, you know, and I read novels, and

556
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 5: I'll read like I have certain writers that I'll read

557
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 5: their grocery list if they put it out.

558
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Speaker 1: You know what I like about about mike' Stugatts is

559
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: that a lot of people there's zoom backgrounds they fill

560
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: with bookshelves with books that they probably haven't read, just

561
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: to kind of show off how smart they are and

562
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: show off this massive library of books. And here's Mike,

563
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: who reads at least fifty pages a day, not a

564
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: book in sight.

565
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 5: Nope, Yeah, I mean I'm fortunate. So I don't know

566
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Speaker 5: if you guys know who George Raveling is. George Raveling

567
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: is a guy I write this thing called The Daily

568
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 5: Coach every day.

569
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Speaker 1: Wall.

570
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Speaker 3: How about Billy's questioning whether or not I know who

571
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 3: George Raveling is. So I want to tell Billy he

572
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 3: was a former coach at USC basketball.

573
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: You always said you know who Robert Carrow is, But

574
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: there's no way.

575
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 3: Well I had to support Mike there. That was a

576
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: total lie, but raveling I knew. Go ahead, Mike, We're sorry.

577
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 5: I mean Coach Rav. I met Coach rab years ago.

578
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 5: Fascinating man. I mean he was on the stage when

579
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 5: Doctor King gave you I Have a Dream speech and

580
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 5: he actually owned the speech. When Doctor King walk off

581
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 5: the stage, Coach Rav asked him for a copy of

582
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 5: the speech and he gave it to him. So Raff

583
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 5: kind of as one of those people that remind me

584
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 5: to read a lot. And it's been a powerful thing

585
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 5: because if you're going to tell a story, whether you're

586
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 5: in football or whether you're in leader, whatever, you got

587
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 5: to you got to kind of renew your intellectual power

588
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 5: while you're going. If you don't, if you you know,

589
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 5: and it kind of forces you. Today's today, with the

590
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 5: way the way that the people are knowledge is currency,

591
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 5: So if you don't have knowledge to share, nobody's gonna

592
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:39,679
Speaker 5: listen to you.

593
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: So you've kind of like studied what it you know,

594
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 3: what it means or the qualities that it takes to

595
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Speaker 3: be a great leader. So I just want to throw

596
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Speaker 3: the science of leadership essentially, Mike. So I want to

597
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: just throw a couple of names at you and you

598
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: tell me, give me your evaluation of them as leaders.

599
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Speaker 1: Okay, Jimmy Johnson, I.

600
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Speaker 5: Think Jimmy was a really good leader. I think he

601
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 5: meets all four criterias because Jimmy had a great plan.

602
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 5: He had a vision, He could explain his plan, and

603
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 5: he was relentless and finding the answers to that plan.

604
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 5: I think he was really good, and he was smart,

605
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 5: and he was divergent in thought because a lot of

606
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: people told him to go left and he went right.

607
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 5: You know, you can't hire college coaches he did. You

608
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 5: can't play cover seven he did. You know, he was

609
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 5: told all these things he couldn't do, and he did them.

610
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 5: I thought he was great. He deserves to be in

611
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame. People question whether you know his

612
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: win total deserves in the Hall of Fame, But I

613
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 5: think he deserves to be in there on two parts,

614
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 5: as general manager and.

615
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: His head coach, Nick Saban.

616
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Speaker 5: Nick's all four. I mean I work with Nick and Cleveland.

617
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 5: You know we were together there. You could see Nick

618
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 5: was going to be a great coach, a great story.

619
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Speaker 5: Nick finished second for the Michigan State job. Fan fran

620
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Speaker 5: Dumphy came. I forget his last name, Fan, He was no.

621
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Speaker 2: I know.

622
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 5: I know Frandu he was the offensive cordator. Frandy Ganner,

623
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: he was the offensive cordator at a Mitpenn State and

624
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 5: Nick and I I'll grow a bunch of us were

625
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 5: watching game tape and Nick went to his office came

626
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 5: back said, out, man, I didn't get the Michigan State job.

627
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 5: They gave it to Frandy Ganner, and then two hours

628
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 5: later Ganner turned it down, and that's how he became

629
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 5: a coach. But we all knew in Cleveland when we

630
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 5: watched Nick work he was going to be great. I

631
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 5: think Nick in Miami was a little uncomfortable because he

632
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 5: didn't have control of everything. I think, you know, the

633
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: Drew Brees then kind of blew him off the off track.

634
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: Bill Parcells, that's.

635
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 5: That's my guy. I love Parcels. I think he's great.

636
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 5: I mean, there's nobody who could tell a story better

637
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: than Parcels. And Parcells is really smart and he could

638
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 5: see the game at three thirty five thousand feet And

639
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 5: when I call him, I learned something every time I

640
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 5: talk to him. He is truly just incredible.

641
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel, I think he's young and learning.

642
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 5: I think he doesn't quite know who he wants to be.

643
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 5: I don't think he's a true leader. I think he's

644
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 5: a manager. So managers do things right. Leaders do the

645
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 5: right thing, okay, And so to me, McDaniel's more of

646
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 5: a manager. He's running the offense. He's gonna let Vic

647
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 5: Fangier run the defense. He's gonna let a special teams

648
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 5: coach run it. And nothing's ever gonna be in harmony

649
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: together because that's not who he is. He's just gonna

650
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 5: manage the offense.

651
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Robert Salah, this is an important one.

652
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Speaker 5: Are you a Jet fans?

653
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Speaker 1: Two guys, me and mikey A both are yes.

654
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 5: Oh God, you know what I say about Jet fans, don't.

655
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 5: There's a great Dan Martin quote. Dean Martin says people

656
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 5: that don't drink when they wake up that that's the

657
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 5: best they're gonna feel all morning.

658
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

659
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 5: I twisted it and said when Jet fans wake up

660
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 5: on Sunday, that's the best they're gonna feel all morning.

661
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 5: How Over, I would say with Aaron Rodgers, you're gonna

662
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 5: feel a lot better. I mean, I think something's a

663
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: lot like McDaniel more of a manager, right, I think

664
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 5: punting the ball down the middle of the field of

665
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: Bill Belichick with forty seconds to go in the game

666
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 5: might have been the dumbest thing I've ever seen. But

667
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 5: you know, we'll go from there. I think a lot

668
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 5: of pressure is on him because of how good their

669
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: team is right.

670
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: Now, right, rich Cote tite.

671
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: I.

672
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: Was sorry. I'm sorry, Mike.

673
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 5: How would you like to be Pete Carroll? And you

674
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 5: got fired for rich Cote type?

675
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Uh?

676
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, by Leon has one of the wealthiest men in

677
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 5: the world, one of the smartest men in the world,

678
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 5: fired you so he could hire rich Kotype.

679
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: I think you, Carol, though you're feeling, you feel pretty

680
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 3: good about it.

681
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: You went out to Seattle, you won a Super Bowl.

682
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: You should have went a second I mean usc right,

683
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: New England first, then.

684
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 5: He went up to New England. He got fired in

685
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 5: New England. So he's gotten fired from the true spectrum.

686
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 5: He got fired for Belichick, and he got fired for

687
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: Richard Coote type.

688
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: Right.

689
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: He ain't get a wider gap than that.

690
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 3: No, it's crazy. What'd you make of we were discussing

691
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: right before you came on. Uh, just the way Aaron

692
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: left Green Bay and was he trying to annoy the

693
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: Packers on the way out just to get out because

694
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: you wanted to get out out.

695
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: What did you make of that entire situation? How did

696
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: you see that?

697
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 5: I thought the divorce settlement was fair for the Packers

698
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 5: because essentially this was a divorce, right, I mean, this

699
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 5: was truly a divorce, and no divorce ends clean, right.

700
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 5: I think he was felt. I think the underlying guy

701
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: in this whole thing is Mark Murphy. This is the

702
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 5: president of the team. I call him on mister Murphy,

703
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 5: and so Murphy, you know the hides behind the scenes.

704
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 5: It hasn't been since when Lombardi took over the team

705
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 5: in fifty nine. The border directors, the president, they all

706
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 5: ran the team. It was horrendous. This Packers were terribly

707
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 5: They had a lot of They had eleven future Hall

708
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 5: of Famers on the team when Lombardi takes over in

709
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 5: fifty nine, and yet when when when he gets there,

710
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 5: they can't win anything because they had all this interference.

711
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 5: It was and then they changed to the dynamic where

712
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 5: the coach the genie were going to run football and

713
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 5: nobody else was going to be involved. Murphy changed it

714
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 5: back that way, and I think Aaron and Murphy never

715
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 5: really could get on the same page. So I do

716
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 5: think the divorce was kind of like, Okay, I'm done

717
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 5: with you guys. You lied to me or whatever happened,

718
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 5: and that's it. And so you know, for him to

719
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 5: take the fifty nine million and moving into twenty four

720
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 5: tells you how badly he wanted to get out.

721
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Mike Lombardi is with us.

722
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: You were director of player personnel for for several teams,

723
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 3: for a lot of the all time greats. What's the

724
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: guy you evaluated that you now that you are proudest

725
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: of over your time.

726
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 5: Oh, I would probably say Charles Haley. That's how I

727
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 5: got involved with Al Davis because you know, Bill Walsh

728
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: and now are having this kind of back and forth

729
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 5: on who was gonna find the next great pass rusher,

730
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 5: and we found Haley. So I would say Charles Haley.

731
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: But I think any scout will tell you their mistakes

732
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 5: ring truer than anything, you know, Like you just you know,

733
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 5: we didn't when I was in Oakland, we don't. We

734
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 5: don't draft Ben Roethlisberger and he's sitting right there for us.

735
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 5: We take Robert Gallery, you know, I'm in Cleveland and

736
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 5: we take Ed King instead of Brett Farv at the top.

737
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 5: I think those things that resonate with you more than ever,

738
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 5: and a lot of it is because you misvaluate your

739
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 5: own team. Right, Well, we got Bernie Kosar. We don't

740
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 5: need another quarterback, Yeah we do, Yeah we do. We

741
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 5: got Rich Gadden at the end of his career. Yeah,

742
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 5: we need other quarterback, so we don't take Ben. I

743
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 5: think those are the things that haunt you the most.

744
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: They keep you up and eyes.

745
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 5: Oh fuck yeah, I mean, look, oh, I wake up

746
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 5: in the middle night.

747
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: You know.

748
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: In ninety six, we're sitting there of the ninth pick

749
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 5: overall in the draft, and the morning of the draft,

750
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 5: we get a phone come from the league office, a

751
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: guy named Charlie Jackson. It was the head of security,

752
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 5: and basically tells us that Sap is Warren. Sapp does

753
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 5: not you know, don't take them. It's bad YadA, yeah yah.

754
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: And we don't.

755
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 5: We moved down and we'd make a horrible pick. We

756
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 5: were going to pick either Curtis Martin or Craig Powell.

757
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 5: We picked the wrong one, Craig Powell, and the next

758
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 5: thing you know, Sap goes to Tampa. He's a Hall

759
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 5: of Famer. I mean that I wake up in the

760
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 5: middle of night and we pick him there at nine,

761
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 5: like we should have done, and we would have done.

762
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 5: You know, the whole your whole career changes.

763
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: Mike. You said earlier, obviously right off the start, that

764
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: people have it's benefit fed you, I guess your last name,

765
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: and especially in football. I'm not saying that you've outright

766
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: told people that you were related to Vince to get benefits,

767
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: maybe a reservation, maybe some sort of perk, but like,

768
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 1: have there been times that like you've gotten it because

769
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: of that, that you haven't stepped in and corrected that.

770
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: Let's say, uh.

771
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 5: No, I always correct that. But what I do do

772
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 5: is I wear the Super Bowl rings to get good reservations.

773
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: That that moves out, Well, that's what you just show

774
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 3: up to the restaurant without a reservation.

775
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: Show up.

776
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're going to get into Craigs in Hollywood, You're

777
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 5: going to get into everywhere. You're going to get anywhere

778
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 5: you want, you get. You put that ring on, you

779
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 5: got a really good chance. I've never really I've always

780
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 5: been trying to have my own career and not try

781
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 5: to rely on someone's other name. So yeah, but the

782
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 5: ring goes a long, long way.

783
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: But if you ever call the place and said it's

784
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: Mike Lombardi and they like maybe they didn't have a reservation,

785
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 3: and they're like, well, hey, are you related to Vince

786
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: and you say no every single time, because you need

787
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: to start saying yes, no, no, Hey, hey the last

788
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: name is Lombardi.

789
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: You figure it out. That's one.

790
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: I should have done that one, right. I thought you

791
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 5: were going to ask me a bunch of questions about

792
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 5: the Sopranos with the name of Stu Gott, So I thought, for.

793
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 1: Sure, we'll get to that next time.

794
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 3: Okay, we're slowly bringing you in to god bless football here. Okay,

795
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: but what we want you to do is turn you

796
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: over to the dark side. So next time you get

797
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: pulled over by a cop, you hand them the license.

798
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: And he says related to Vince. You say, you bet

799
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: your fucking ass I am.

800
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 5: I will do that.

801
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

802
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 5: Usually when I pulled over, well that's time I got

803
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 5: pulled overs on a Pennsylvania turnpike. The cop pulled me

804
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 5: over and recognized me from working at it On Network

805
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 5: and I helped him do his fantasy draft for two years,

806
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 5: and we wanted.

807
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: What wait, what what amazing story.

808
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: This is the true story.

809
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 5: I'm driving on a Pennsylvania turnpike. I'm on the phone

810
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 5: with my wife, right she can verify it, And I said, ah, ship,

811
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 5: the CoP's going to pull me over. And she's just

812
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 5: happier and shit because she knows I was going to

813
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 5: get caught for speeding at some point.

814
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: You know.

815
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 5: Good for you, you know. So I pull over, showed

816
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 5: the guy my driver's like.

817
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: He said, you want NFL network?

818
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 5: I said yeah. He said, hey, can you help me

819
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 5: with my fantasy football league? I said, here's my email.

820
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 5: You got it. We won the league two years in

821
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 5: a row.

822
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: How long, okay, how long do you feel like you

823
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: need to keep helping this guy for it?

824
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 5: I think when I went back in the league, I

825
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 5: changed emails, so I think I lost him.

826
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: Like now I'm the last.

827
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 5: Now I'm on my last email, so like I'm done.

828
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: I'm on my last cell phone number, on my last email,

829
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 5: I'm on the I'm on the last part of life here.

830
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: Wait, what does that mean? You're never going to change either.

831
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 5: I'm not changing my email no more, and I'm not

832
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 5: changing myself.

833
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: Why have you changed emails so often? Well?

834
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 5: Because like what happens is you go to it, like

835
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 5: you start working for a team and then you don't

836
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 5: check that email and then it goes, you know, and

837
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 5: then you got all the Spanish.

838
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: You know. No, I'm done, You're done, right, are you

839
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 1: on AOL? No?

840
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 5: I have not.

841
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: My wife is actually, can you believe it?

842
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: I am too. So was Lebotard. By the way, so

843
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: is Bill Simmons.

844
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 5: I think he is too.

845
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: He is. Mike, you're only sixty three, Like you're not

846
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: old enough to just have given up on life.

847
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 5: No, I'm done. That's it. I'm fucking done. I'm over it.

848
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: Like no more cell phones, that's it, you know, Like

849
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 5: I don't even want to go up to the iPhone fourteen.

850
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 6: But you know, but then the battery dinos off green. Yeah,

851
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 6: I don't even want that. Like I'm prettymil gets a virus.

852
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 6: Don't don't resuscitate it, just leave it, leave it to time.

853
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 6: There's a Sopranos episode. Do not resuscitate right.

854
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: There, Bombardi, next time you're on, I want to do

855
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: a Sopranos with you at Just things that you're tired of,

856
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 3: that you're not changing because you're.

857
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 2: Too A lot of that, you know, you've got to

858
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: go through it, like you kind of know.

859
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: Well.

860
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: I think writing the book kind of was the greatest

861
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: for me. It was like you gave me personal freedom

862
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 5: where I don't really give a shit anymore, you know,

863
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 5: like I just say what I say. I don't really care.

864
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 5: You know, I care about being right, I care about

865
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 5: being honest, but I don't care about if I ruffle feathers.

866
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 5: I don't want to be like those guys on the

867
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 5: Worldwide Leader that sit there in everybody. I mean, we

868
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 5: just got through the draft. Was there a bad pick

869
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 5: in the entire bucking draft? Is there one bad pick?

870
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 5: I mean you know, I mean Mel was upset somebody

871
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 5: took somebody before he said it was okay. But other

872
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 5: than that, like it was, you know, like it was

873
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 5: no big deal, Like come on, they're not all great.

874
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, who is a bad boy? Give us a bad voode?

875
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 3: You just sat there, You're watching the draft, and mike

876
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 3: Lebarty's like Jesus Christ, I can't believe that he did that.

877
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: I thought that Troy taking Gibs that early was from

878
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: a I think you created criticized drafts for more team building.

879
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: Like Atlanta, they had two really good running backs. What

880
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: do they Bjean, How are you going to get him

881
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: on the field?

882
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: Right?

883
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,879
Speaker 5: We're not playing seven on seven here, Like you got

884
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: to block and tackle. You got three defensive alignment all

885
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 5: over forty years, thirty four defensive lignment over thirty like

886
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 5: we got to stop. Somebody like Walsh used to say

887
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 5: this all the time. You need eleven good players on defense.

888
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 5: You don't need eleven good players on offense. You need

889
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 5: eleven on defense. And that got and that gets lost.

890
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 5: I think the draft is about team building. Who gets it?

891
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: The Eagles.

892
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: All they do is draft offensive and defensive linement. It's

893
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: not sexy, but it's get somewhere.

894
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 3: They got to go, yeah, well they have the quarterback

895
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: that helps, though.

896
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: They drafted him to the second they developed them.

897
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 5: I mean, you can do. I mean I think they

898
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 5: kind of got to go in and but Loorie understands

899
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 5: the value of offensive and defensive linemer.

900
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: Sure Billy is dying. Did you draft right? Well? No,

901
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: I think Mike wants to do draft grades.

902
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: I don't.

903
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 5: I never do draft grades, a mock drafts. I think

904
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 5: those are the two things. I mean, some kids sitting

905
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 5: in this fucking basically doing a mock draft in his underwear.

906
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: I mean, like, seriously, can you give us a grade? Though?

907
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: On the Panther that's important, It's important. I love it.

908
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 5: I love Bryce Young. I think Bryce Young is gonna

909
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 5: be great, and I think the Panthers are really a

910
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 5: good team. If you go back and watch them last

911
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: year when Donald came in, Mayfield was horrible. But when

912
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 5: Donald started to play after they got few PJ. Walker

913
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 5: and that Darnald, they ran the ball really. I mean,

914
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 5: if you ran for three and fifty yards against Detroit,

915
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 5: you know, and they beat Tampa and Tampa if J. C.

916
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 5: Horn's healthy, I mean Mike Evans scores three touchdowns in

917
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 5: that game, all on deep throws because they didn't have

918
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 5: a corner to cover them. Jac Horn plays they they

919
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 5: would have. I think they're a better team than the

920
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 5: first pick overall in the draft. And I think Bryce

921
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 5: Young's special. I think he's got what we call it.

922
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 5: You know, there's certain players in sports that have it,

923
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 5: and it really comes down in memory. If you ever

924
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 5: spend time talking to any great player, they can go

925
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 5: over any game. I'll tell you a great story. Bill

926
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 5: Russell was getting ready to turn eighty six years old.

927
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 5: His wife didn't know what to buy on for his birthday,

928
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 5: so she found this YouTube clip of the fifty four

929
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 5: San Francisco game against LSU Championship NC two h h

930
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 5: I think fifty six, and she buys the video and

931
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 5: they put it up on the screen and he was

932
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 5: able to He went through every single play of that

933
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 5: game like it was yesterday. Like that's like that memory.

934
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 5: We'll remember everything about you. That's bryce young. The great

935
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: players have that. That's the it factor. They know they

936
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: see things on the field that nobody else sees, and

937
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 5: they react to it quicker than everybody.

938
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: I think, good quickly, Mike, and this has been great,

939
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: and we'll play some games next time. Okay, Sopranos. Things

940
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: you're tired of Davis, Bill Walsh or Belichick, we'll get

941
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: to all that next time, because there will be next time,

942
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 3: because you've been fantastic. GM Shuffle check him out, Lombardi line,

943
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 3: both those shows on Vissin Lamar Jackson. Did he make

944
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: all the people who said he needed an agent? Did

945
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 3: he make them look like fools?

946
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't know.

947
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 5: I think he probably costs himself a little bit of

948
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 5: money for sure, But you know he got paid and

949
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 5: good for him, and he doesn't have to pay the

950
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 5: ten percent or five percent. I think, you know, he

951
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 5: could have drove the market even further, but it worked out.

952
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 5: I'm happy my son coached him at Louisville. I'm happy

953
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 5: for the kid, I really am. I love the kid.

954
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: You don't win.

955
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 5: Forty five games in the NFL and have people calling

956
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 5: you like you're not good enough. I mean, give you

957
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 5: a break, I mean forty five wins. This guy's legitimate player.

958
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: He is. This has been great, been a lot of fun.

959
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

960
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: Man on the GM Shuffle and Lombardi line both on visit.

961
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: He's part of the whole team here at the DraftKings Network.

962
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: So Micha Lombardi, thank you again. There will be another.

963
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: Time, multiple times we'll have you on and we'll talk.

964
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: We'll talk some Springsteen and some stories about Walsh and Belichick.

965
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, appreciate it, all.

966
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: Right, thank you, Mike. All right, Billy, I enjoyed with

967
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: Michae Lombardi.

968
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: I think we need to teach Lombardy a few things here,

969
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: how to use that last name a little bit better,

970
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 3: and really just.

971
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's a free upgrade on the phone.

972
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 3: I don't care if you're sixty two eighty two, ninety two,

973
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: eat the free upgrade on the phone.

974
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Man, what's the matter with him? Let me? I'm with you,

975
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: Like it's a hassle, but like if it's free, you

976
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: know what they found out. What happened to me is

977
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: that like I don't remember what model it was, but

978
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: I had like a I want to see, like an

979
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: iPhone like eleven or something. Right, I'm like him in

980
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: that I had like an iPhone six, and then I

981
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: just had an iPhone six forever, and then it was

982
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: by like eleven.

983
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 3: And then we're the iPhone's out right now? Just do

984
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, like what's the latest fourteen?

985
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: Fourteen?

986
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: I think we're at eleventeen, But there was like an

987
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 1: X in there at some point that I think replaced

988
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: the number was the X A ten? I don't know.

989
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: Then there's like s's and c's of different versions of

990
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: the iPhones. There's a whole confusing thing. But I was

991
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: at like a six for a while, and then finally

992
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: I upgraded to like an eleven, right, and then I

993
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 1: was at an eleven for a little bit, and then

994
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: we were just kind of like going through like the

995
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: bills right of what we were paying for, like the

996
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: phone and this and that. And then there was a

997
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: promotion where I would get a thirteen for less money

998
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: than I was still paying for the eleven, And I'm like, Okay,

999
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: I think that now we're going to upgrade to the

1000
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: thirteen because it will cost me less to have the

1001
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: latest version of the phone than this phone that is

1002
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: now like three years old, which was like completely bizarre.

1003
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: But I don't want to arrive at an age where

1004
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm not taking.

1005
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 3: Free upgrades like the Barney's giving up on life.

1006
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 1: I still of understand why he changes emails so often,

1007
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: Like does he not? He should just keep the same

1008
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: personal email, right, I understand, Like if he's not going

1009
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: to use like his team emails anymore, obviously you don't

1010
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: work for the team, but like, just keep one personal

1011
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: email and then you should be fine.

1012
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 3: Yes, Billy, I was also thinking, I mean, you're trying

1013
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 3: to win this daily DK fantasy thing we do every

1014
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: single week during.

1015
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: The football season. I mean, la Barney won it for

1016
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: a cop, Billy. I mean, so for two years he

1017
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: just stayed in contact with a cop that pulled him

1018
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: over one time. We never by the way got to

1019
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: the box. I gotta be honest with you. I just

1020
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: take the ticket, pay the fine, and I move on

1021
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: my way. I don't need two years with a cop,

1022
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 1: you know. Well, he was very unclear as to whether

1023
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: or not he paid the ticket, which I'm sure he

1024
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: got out of the ticket obviously, if he was helping

1025
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: this guy with the draft, which seems like ethically not

1026
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: something that the cops should be doing. Is like letting

1027
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: people get off on tickets if they help him with

1028
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: the fantasy draft. But then he dragged that out for

1029
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: two years, which seems like a long time.

1030
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, do you think that maybe

1031
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: like all of a sudden he stops checking that email,

1032
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: the cops emailing him like, hey, what are we doing

1033
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 2: this year? Yeah, he doesn't respond. Now there's an app

1034
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania out for Mike Lombardi, like like, you're not

1035
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: going to just get two years and get out of this.

1036
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: Well that's the question. Now does he avoid those roads

1037
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: altogether to avoid the cop? Like are there just parts

1038
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: of the country that Mike Lombardy no longer visits via

1039
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: car because he's afraid of running into this person?

1040
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 3: Are you saying that cop is on that same road

1041
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 3: every day, that same stretch of road, looking.

1042
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: For Mike Lombardi to pull over, pulling anyone over that

1043
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: looks partially like Mike Lombardy, and Lombardy has stopped using

1044
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: those roads. Yeah, I think he no longer visits Pennsylvania

1045
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: or wherever it is that he said that.

1046
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 5: He was.

1047
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: Like, I can't, Like, there's Mike, there's a great work opportunity.

1048
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: You know, you just got to fly and fly out

1049
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 1: or you fly into like a neighboring area. Just driving

1050
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, how long is the road? What roots

1051
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: so you need to take from the airport to get there?

1052
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 3: Like, oh, I can't if his resume is on ZIP recruiter,

1053
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 3: are you telling me there are certain states where he

1054
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: says I will not work.

1055
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: I think that he has said, like, yeah, the last

1056
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: time I was in Pennsylvania, it cost me two years

1057
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: of my life working on fantasy drafts for a guy

1058
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: to win a league. I can't do it anymore. To

1059
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: get out him an eighty dollars, I won't update his

1060
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: phone or his email. You think he wants to commit

1061
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: two years to joining a fantasy league. I'm a stranger again.

1062
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: But are you going to use Lombardi for your fantasy league,

1063
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: That's all I want to know.

1064
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe are we gonna have him around

1065
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: more of it? I liked him, he was good. I

1066
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: liked him as well. Yeah, he was good. I think

1067
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: we should have him on again. I do I league. Well, okay,

1068
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: so here's the thing. Now, because you have someone that

1069
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: you pay to do your fantasy league's an Inferno, right, yes,

1070
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: but it seems like Lombardi is a cheaper off option.

1071
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: If he basically took two years of running someone's fantasy

1072
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: team for like, let's say two hundred dollars or whatever

1073
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: the ticket was, I'm sure you're pay Inferno more than that.

1074
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: Well, Inferno gets So Inferno only does baseball with me. Okay, Now,

1075
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 3: he went to Penn, he graduated Wharton. He's like a

1076
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: numbers guy, and so he loves me. He will not

1077
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: do fantasy football. It is too easy for him, Like

1078
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: it's too it's there's too much luck involved.

1079
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He hates that.

1080
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 3: So with baseball, he loves it because it's one sixty two,

1081
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: it's players you never heard of, it's you know, steals, runs,

1082
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: a lot of different you know categories as well. He

1083
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: won't do basketball. He gets a percentage of the winnings.

1084
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: I got Inferno to be my GM ten years ago.

1085
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 3: I think we have won the baseball league seven times

1086
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 3: in the ten years that he's been involved. And this

1087
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 3: is a big money league, so Inferno has been well compensated.

1088
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: I feel like football is so random. It doesn't matter

1089
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 3: if you have Mike Lombardi. I don't know if it

1090
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: will help or not.

1091
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: Like he went two years in a row, it did.

1092
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he won for a cop. You know he did

1093
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: like mikey do you like? Do you think he would

1094
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: he be helpful? I guess he would be. I guess

1095
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 3: Lombardi would be.

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00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, because he was very like I just

1097
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: want to talk about football, So I don't know if

1098
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: he'd help I mean in football he'd help you baseball,

1099
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: I don't think. I think he's still got to keep Inferno.

1100
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: But maybe this is the play for you. Maybe you

1101
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: just find an expert in every sport. So you have

1102
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: Inferno in baseball, you have Lombardi in football. Do you

1103
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: do basketball or hockey? Whatever?

1104
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 3: I do basketball. I enjoyed doing basketball myself still. But

1105
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I am certainly up for a for a ringer.

1106
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: Who would you who would you try to bring in?

1107
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 3: So it can't be like the information guys because they're

1108
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 3: information guys, so they don't know like who's gonna be good?

1109
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: Or they would have the information? Well that's true, yeah.

1110
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: But their whole point is to get it out. So

1111
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: they might have the information, and then like I.

1112
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 1: Would, Mike, you rather have like going to say that

1113
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: that I think he's going to say that, I don't

1114
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: know what be good, but I have I have it.

1115
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: Think of a name and tell me if it's the

1116
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 1: name that you Guts is going to say, because I'm

1117
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: thinking of someone that I think he would say should

1118
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: help him. Do you have the name, Mike? I have?

1119
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: I have a name in my head. Do you have

1120
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 1: a name in your head? Mike? Ye?

1121
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: I do?

1122
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh so I have to go first here? Well no,

1123
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: I can't go first here. Well, anyone anyone that you

1124
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: know in the basketball circle that you think you turn

1125
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: to to help you, I would go, wow.

1126
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: Well, I'm debating whether I go like information guys or

1127
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: or guys who were player evaluators.

1128
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, like probably not stan Van Gundy, as much as

1129
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: I respect him, that's the name I had. Really, I

1130
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: was thinking, yeah.

1131
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Legs my backup with Shams.

1132
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: I would have a leg up on the rest of

1133
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 1: the league about that. Shams is good. That's a good one, Mikey.

1134
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm surprised the guys hasn't bothered him much lately. I haven't.

1135
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, he's on a competitor, so.

1136
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: So is that Like as soon as he signed, there

1137
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: was at the end of your friendship with him.

1138
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: No, I still text with him, but that was the

1139
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 3: end of the on.

1140
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 1: Air friendship with him. Yeah, right, I don't know.

1141
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: I liked having him on, I'm not I don't know.

1142
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe I'll ask and see if we can

1143
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: have him on again. I would go le like, look,

1144
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 3: because I feel like Legler is more. It's probably more

1145
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: the person got that information is important though, like knowing

1146
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 3: who's playing who's not playing, because I can't with basketball,

1147
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 3: you never know, you did. Like on a night to

1148
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: night basis, certain guys are sitting out and I keep

1149
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: putting them in my lineup. You know, I got my

1150
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: Kawhi sitting out again, Like what the fuck?

1151
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: I go? I go Tim Legler. That's why I likes Yeah,

1152
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,240
Speaker 1: I love legs.

1153
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 3: I love Legs, Mikey, what do you make of the Jets?

1154
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 3: Of the younger Jets? Every day Aaron Rodgers shows up

1155
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: for practice, and he had, he showed up for practice.

1156
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: He's being a good boy, as Billy pointed out earlier

1157
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 3: in the show.

1158
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: But they're in awe of Aaron Rodgers.

1159
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: They like, they cannot believe this guy is on the

1160
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 3: same team as them.

1161
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: They can't believe.

1162
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: That Aaron Rodgers chose their shitty organization. And I got

1163
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I still can't believe that

1164
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers chose their shitty organization.

1165
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: But he did.

1166
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: And those kids are in awe, and I'm like, hey,

1167
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 3: move on and get over it and start playing football.

1168
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: Let's go.

1169
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about this a lot, and the way

1170
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 2: I think about it, to quote one of the great

1171
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 2: philosophers of our time, Eddie Murphy, if you're in the

1172
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: desert and starving and somebody throws you a cracker, it's

1173
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: going to be the best cracker you've ever eaten in

1174
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: your life. The Jets have had Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold,

1175
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 2: Trevor Simeon, Joe Flacco for like the last like eight.

1176
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 7: Years, Luke Falker, Aaron is gotta be I mean, and

1177
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 7: he's great on top of that, But like, just going

1178
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 7: from terrible to competent must be one of the greatest things.

1179
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: And then you add greatness. I'm in author.

1180
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: I am too. I'm just not certain we're gonna make

1181
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

1182
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: Just like your word. Sure he was actually gonna come.

1183
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: The AFC is loaded, dude, it's loaded. It's loaded, and

1184
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 3: the Patriots are the worst team in the division. And

1185
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: that makes me happy. I didn't want to say that

1186
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: to Lombardi.

1187
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: You notice that, right, It makes me happy to listen.

1188
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: He took a shot. He took a shot at us.

1189
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: We can take a shot back.

1190
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: No, I know, but I'm not.

1191
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: I'm seriously not certain that the Dolphins and Bills aren't

1192
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 3: better than the Jets. Sorry, I didn't do this, man,

1193
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 3: They did us.

1194
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 2: Good right, Ridge code type.

1195
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: Wall Michaels was the greatest.

1196
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: Hopefully Robert Sala will eclipse while Walt Michaels. But Walt

1197
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: Michaels is the greatest. Jet d go Jemmer right, Simmerparks Ells.

1198
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: But Rex Ryan, it's Rex Ryan. It's definitely Rex Ryan.

1199
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: It's right like I'm saying better than the guy who

1200
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 3: won Super Bowl three for the Yets.

1201
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: In a sad franchise.

1202
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: Thanks.

1203
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: That's why it's so exciting to fall God Bles