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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this third episode of fish Ology. For

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Speaker 1: those of you who maybe knew here in Physiology, we

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Speaker 1: give an in depth look I have Marlon's players with

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Speaker 1: advanced stats and metrics.

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Speaker 2: Where I'm joined.

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Speaker 1: Here today with Lewis and Adam As we are going

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Speaker 1: to be talking about some of the Marlins rookie hitters,

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Speaker 1: specifically Charles Blanc, JJ Bode and Nick Fortes.

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Speaker 2: Guys, are you ready? How are you guys feeling for.

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Speaker 3: This excited interesting adjecciate for me to use considering the

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Speaker 3: state of the Marlins offense and being that these were

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Speaker 3: all position players, but the conversation needs to be had right.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, So with the first guy I wanted to talk about,

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Speaker 1: let's go with probably the best guy maybe out of

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Speaker 1: the three from this season. Nick four test backup catcher

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Speaker 1: for the Marlins, had a one point three war season,

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Speaker 1: had nine home runs. This slash line was two thirty

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Speaker 1: three h four three ninety two with a six nine

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Speaker 1: six ops, getting offensively miles above Jacob Stallings. The Marlins

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Speaker 1: were still skittish. I'm putting him there with Sandy Lewis.

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Speaker 1: I know you have the stats of him, how he

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Speaker 1: was defensively how he fared with catch with the excuse

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Speaker 1: me the pictures for the Marlins and the era. What

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Speaker 1: can you tell me about Nick four test this season?

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Speaker 3: So I think me and Adam will probably ping pong

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Speaker 3: on this, just as far as the conversation with him

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Speaker 3: and these guys goes for those listening. You know, I

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Speaker 3: kind of was sitting today when I was at my

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Speaker 3: desk in my office getting notes together for what Ford

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Speaker 3: has his future with the club, and I guess, as

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Speaker 3: a big leader would hold and I guess the conclusion

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Speaker 3: I came to. And again, you know, every big league

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Speaker 3: other guy when assessing the other With that in mind,

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Speaker 3: I think Ford has has done enough, albeit his sample

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Speaker 3: of play is merely eighty six career games that I

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Speaker 3: think it wouldn't be the worst idea in the world

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Speaker 3: if the Marlins kind of just gave him the keys

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Speaker 3: to the primary catching car and said this is your job.

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Speaker 3: Stallings would be the backup. He's not without his faults.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe, you know, play discipline is something that

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Speaker 3: could be better for him. He is pretty aggressive on

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Speaker 3: the first pitch, though the sample of that bats the

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Speaker 3: thirty nine play appearances in which he has swung first

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Speaker 3: result from a first pitch, he's hit three twenty four

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Speaker 3: That being said, the big concern I have with him,

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Speaker 3: and this gets back to the plate discipline issue I have,

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Speaker 3: and something I talk about a lot when I talk

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Speaker 3: about players, is his approach of two strikes. There were

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Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty one hitters this year that had

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Speaker 3: at least one hundred plate appearances of two or more

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Speaker 3: And of the three hundred and eighty one hitters or

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Speaker 4: A lot of the ninth inning two to two count.

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Speaker 4: How sweet it is in Miami. What a ninth inning

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, it's not the most tell It's not the

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Speaker 3: most telling stat considering that he really doesn't have a

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Speaker 3: full season. Let's say about he maybe has like maybe

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Speaker 3: But yeah, there's adjustments that can be be made. However,

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Speaker 3: I think there's enough there that you wouldn't feel too

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Speaker 3: As far as how pitchers you do with him, the

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Speaker 3: think at this point we can all agree that Sandy

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Speaker 3: Alcantra is the best picture on the team, if not

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Speaker 3: one of the three best in the National League. You

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Speaker 3: forts has never caught al Contra, and of course you

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Speaker 3: So maybe there's a David Ross John Lester thing that

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Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the sample is a lot bigger with

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Speaker 3: Definitely something more acceptable. Especially when you can't score runs

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Speaker 3: the way that this team is ability to do, you

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Speaker 3: obviously side with the lower and you'd be sacrificing offense.

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Speaker 3: But I think you know, Adam count of me if

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Speaker 3: We know of his report Braxton Garrett and the success

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Speaker 3: the most part when Stallings was playing this year.

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Speaker 6: For me, it's just it narrows down to a couple

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Speaker 6: agree with you Lewis that I think it should be

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Speaker 2: At this point, I really don't think.

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Speaker 6: I really don't see it to be Jacob Stallings, just

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Speaker 6: Still irrelevant to our today, to today's game. Even so,

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Speaker 6: optimistic for the future, and I am excited about Fortes

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Speaker 2: It's just the best kind of rate.

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Speaker 2: So looking kind of more, you know, concretely, he.

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Speaker 6: so looking at his max EV from this year, it

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Speaker 5: Brown can't make that one solo home run Nick fourtens.

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Speaker 7: That's major, That is major, tying the game on the

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Speaker 6: I think he's going to be He's going to be

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Speaker 6: definitely be a maybe a three or four win player

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Speaker 6: I think that's like a very high upside for him.

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Speaker 3: And not to mention the fact that he is an

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Speaker 3: to be a decent framer, which again and talking to

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Speaker 3: him this season, something he emphasized to you know, the

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Speaker 3: likes of me Noah, and you know many of the

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Speaker 3: he prioritized this offseason heading into twenty twenty two, and

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Speaker 3: the early returns were good on it, and the overall

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Speaker 6: But he wasn't really getting like it wasn't that he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think with.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I have this discussion. I think me and

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Speaker 6: Just kind of like, yeah, I could not be like

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Speaker 2: I do see Jordan with the potential to hit fifteen

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Speaker 6: Twenty five to thirty or hit even more than that,

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Speaker 6: But I still think he's going to be at his peak,

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Speaker 6: These guys aren't elite prospects by any stretch, but I

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Speaker 6: For me, I do believe he will be a positive

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Speaker 6: tap back into it and overcome the lower body injuries

440
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Speaker 6: he's had.

441
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Speaker 2: That is really kind of sat with his potential.

442
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Speaker 6: But right now, even then I still see him as

443
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Speaker 6: you know, maybe not a sixty glove, but you know,

444
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 6: an above average club I would say, because a sixty

445
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Speaker 6: would be a plaus but I would say he's at

446
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Speaker 6: least above average for the defensive or at least he's

447
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Speaker 6: a potential.

448
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Speaker 3: To gam yeah, a fifty easily, I think, at least

449
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Speaker 3: right now at best. And you know, Adam, I'm actually

450
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Speaker 3: glad you made this point earlier. You were you know,

451
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Speaker 3: I have the thought. It's sitting in my head and

452
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Speaker 3: you I think you kind of just like Telepathic League,

453
00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 3: stole it from me when you kind of said that

454
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Speaker 3: Grootions is what he is. He is essentially a role

455
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Speaker 3: player on what can be a playoff team, and I

456
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 3: think that kind of speaks to how the Marlins have

457
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Speaker 3: kind of gone about developing position players as far as

458
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Speaker 3: I that as far as I'm concerned, I mean, when

459
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Speaker 3: you look at trades and just how they drafted some

460
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 3: of the other guys that we'll talk about, I think

461
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Speaker 3: fit that mold and that they don't have any superstars

462
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 3: and that you know, maybe they're just kind of throwing

463
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 3: darts of the board in terms of these players to

464
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Speaker 3: see who's gonna stick and whoever does stick you can,

465
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Speaker 3: you know, I think the smart thing to do and

466
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Speaker 3: the way we see a lot of winning for an

467
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Speaker 3: offices go about it is they augment that roster with

468
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Speaker 3: star level talent via free agent market, And you know,

469
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 3: I think Sherman can spend the money if he needs to. Yeah,

470
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Speaker 3: It's it's weird. You know they say twenty twenty three

471
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Speaker 3: is like twenty two. They said twenty two is a

472
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Speaker 3: make or break here, and they broke in twenty two,

473
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Speaker 3: and then now I feel like you could say the

474
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Speaker 3: same thing again in twenty three. But you're gonna get

475
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Speaker 3: a better picture of the franchise's competitive direction moving forward

476
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Speaker 3: with a full season of a guy like Grosians, with

477
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Speaker 3: a full season of a guy like Fortes. I think

478
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: they need the ability to play, especially under our first

479
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Speaker 3: year manager like Skip Schumacher. There's a lot that needs

480
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 3: to be seen and done before you know. You know

481
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Speaker 3: they'll and I'm not saying that as a way to

482
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Speaker 3: stray them from making any moves this offseason, but you

483
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Speaker 3: need a better picture of who these guys are and

484
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Speaker 3: how they fit into your franchise long term, especially from

485
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Speaker 3: pending free agents, like deciding on whether or not they

486
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: want to come here, if like winning is really that

487
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 3: important to them they want they too want to have

488
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Speaker 3: this heary of knowing that maybe they'll play in the

489
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Speaker 3: playoffs and compete for a World Series. I know, you

490
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: know that maybe an overstated thing, but I think that

491
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Speaker 3: matters to a lot of guys. I mean, the ultimate

492
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 3: goal when you start playing baseball, beyond financial security, is

493
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Speaker 3: to win a ring. And if some guys don't feel

494
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Speaker 3: that because there's just a lot of questions surrounding the roster,

495
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 3: you know, it could it could straight them away. But again,

496
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Speaker 3: they just need regular playing time to be fairly assessed.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and next off, let's move on to the next prospect,

498
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Speaker 1: maybe the most polarizing in terms of for us on

499
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Speaker 1: Fiss drives for Isaac Who's not here.

500
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Speaker 2: But that's mister J. J.

501
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Speaker 3: Blade, the fourth overall pick.

502
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Speaker 1: Just a few years ago in twenty nineteen, posted a

503
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Speaker 1: negative war, a zero point five Baseball Reference war in

504
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, sixty five games, two of four at

505
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Speaker 1: that five home runs and for a slash line one

506
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Speaker 1: sixty seven, two seven seven, three on nine with a.

507
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Speaker 2: Five eight six ops.

508
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Speaker 1: Not but the Marlin's envisioned when they drafted mister Digi

509
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Speaker 1: bal Day only three years ago coming out of Vanderbilt Lewis.

510
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna let you go off on Blu Day,

511
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Speaker 1: just what you saw from him, expectations and if it

512
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Speaker 1: too early to put a tag of bust or if

513
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Speaker 1: it just wait and see what blood they can do.

514
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to shut the lights off

515
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Speaker 3: on the optimism party that we're we've kind of had

516
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: with these last two guys, because there are good things

517
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Speaker 3: to say about them, and there is good things to

518
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Speaker 3: say about Blue Day too. I think, you know, I'll

519
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 3: get to the uber cynical part near the end of

520
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: my not rant, but my I guess my discourse on him.

521
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: I like Bladay's ability to draw walks. And if anybody

522
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Speaker 3: who watches us regularly and listens to me wants to

523
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Speaker 3: call me walk guy, that's fine, or if you want to,

524
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Speaker 3: you know, come up with a nickname that you know

525
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 3: runs on that, that's fine because I think that's an

526
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 3: invaluable asset to a player position players skill set when

527
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: it comes to working pictures and getting on base, and

528
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Speaker 3: I think it makes you an overall better player if

529
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Speaker 3: you have an advanced songs or the strike zone. Now,

530
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Speaker 3: by the average rock walk rate in the MLB, which

531
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Speaker 3: I believe is around eight point five percent, and JJ

532
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Speaker 3: Bludeau has that he has a twelve point six percent

533
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Speaker 3: at walk rate, which can only offset so much when

534
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Speaker 3: you're hitting one sixty seven. He was in the seventy

535
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Speaker 3: nine percentile on arm strength. I think he has the

536
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 3: potential to be a serviceable corner outfielder. He played a

537
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Speaker 3: lot of right field at Vanderbilt, which is a baseball

538
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: powerhouse as we all know, but they had them a

539
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 3: lot in centerfield because the Marlin and getting back to

540
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Speaker 3: another issue that Marlins have is their lack of position

541
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Speaker 3: player competency. Is they don't have a true center fielder.

542
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: We saw them try to experiment with jaycu sand says

543
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: that didn't work. We'll see what happens there. Fangrafts has

544
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Speaker 3: him at like a forty future value as far as

545
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 3: overall potential goes. That's a below average big leaguer on

546
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 3: a twenty to eighty scouting scale. Eighty is the max,

547
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: twenty is the lowest, fifty is literally in the middle.

548
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: But if I had to feel optimistic about the guy,

549
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's difficult because ever since he's been

550
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 3: into pro ball, his bat hasn't translated the way it

551
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: did the last two years at Vanderbilt, and again I

552
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 3: know sixty five games teeters the line between small sample

553
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Speaker 3: sized fodder and Okay, maybe we're starting to get a

554
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 3: better idea of who this guy is. But I don't

555
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: think long term he's going to be like I mean,

556
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Speaker 3: the player that I think of him maxing out his

557
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: skill set is like a Michael Conforto, a good corner

558
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: outfielder with twenty home run potential. That's what I've always

559
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 3: kind of forecasted and wished for JJ Pleday. But when

560
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 3: you look back at the twenty nineteen draft and know

561
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 3: that the Marlins took him fourth overall, guys, I'm gonna

562
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 3: keep some names where I get to adam of guys

563
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 3: that were taken after JJ blade Alec Manoa, local kid

564
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: from Miami was taken eleven. Cy young candidate likely in

565
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 3: the American League. Bourbyn Carroll one of the fastest, most

566
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: exciting young outfielders in baseball. He's literally Tim le Castro

567
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 3: with a better bet c J. Abrams, who is gonna

568
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: play every day The Marlins are gonna see every day

569
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: for a while, as he's gonna be the starting short

570
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: stuff for the Nationals. Also positional versatility and his ability

571
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: to play the outfield, Riley Green with the Tigers, who

572
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: just made his big league debut, and I mean George

573
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 3: Kirby with the Mariners, who throws like a nasty slider.

574
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: So like there's a lot, there's a lot the Marlins

575
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: could have done better, and who knows what they're you know,

576
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: you know, depending on Gary denbo was Derek Jeter infatury

577
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: with him? You can only you can only assume. You

578
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: can't be too certain. But I talked about fourtes and

579
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: ability to hit with two strikes p a day was

580
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: worse or he was slightly better, but still pretty bad

581
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: four to twenty three oh ps with two strikes. You know,

582
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 3: there's I don't know. And the benefit to his early

583
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: season struggles and I have more confident that more seasoning

584
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: may help him is the fact that he does have

585
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: three minor league options left, so you can always start

586
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 3: him in the minors. There's no pressure to start him

587
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 3: in the big leagues. He, like I said, he has

588
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: explit displayed an ability to He's shown he could be

589
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: a decent defenders.

590
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 5: Tyler Nickuin Beam, he game to replace rough in diving well,

591
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 5: j Jabladay and centered field to take a hit away

592
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 5: from tylern Aquin.

593
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 4: It's a terrific defense in center field.

594
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: In a corner. I don't think he's a bad option.

595
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: I also think his ability to get on base, you know,

596
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 3: to sound too much like Billy Bean, is a thing that,

597
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: like I said, you cannot teach. Does he need to

598
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 3: hit more to make that skill set stand out more people?

599
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely do. I think he will given the sub seven

600
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: hundred ops and the minors, I don't know.

601
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Speaker 6: Just to start off with JJ bladet is, it's really

602
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 6: it was frustrating to see the Marlins select him at

603
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 6: number four in twenty nineteen. I mean you had, like

604
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 6: obviously there a couple guys have picked ahead of him,

605
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 6: but and we can we can name all the guys

606
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 6: that came after Lewis and eInsight is twenty twenty. But

607
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 6: even with this situation, I will give you that credence

608
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 6: because Bludet, even myself, was not the guy I would

609
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 6: have selected. You want to have the profile of, you know,

610
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 6: young player with his tools, and Bludet does not have that.

611
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 6: He was a very good college bat, but there's not

612
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 6: much projectability to go after that, and we're.

613
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: Seeing that because you know he has he is somewhat.

614
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 6: He's a disciplined hitter, but that's it, Like that's really

615
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 6: where the selling point ends, because there is no project

616
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 6: ability really with his power because he doesn't make enough contact.

617
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 6: He's really he's hitting a lot of balls under you know,

618
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 6: one hundred and ten miles an hour, which would be

619
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Speaker 6: be you know, an average really good max to be

620
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Speaker 6: a EV and he's just not hitting anything above what

621
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 6: would be a fifty.

622
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: And even in the minor league, he's like, none of

623
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Speaker 2: his minor.

624
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 6: League exit blows were anything promising to the point where

625
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Speaker 6: I really just fellyeve, he's going to be, if anything,

626
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 6: a very casually average player if all goes well, and

627
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 6: you know, all like the casually average player being the

628
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 6: two the one point five to two win player is

629
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 6: something you would like in a you know, in any

630
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 6: player that you would select who would make it to

631
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Speaker 6: the majors.

632
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: But if you've got a.

633
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Speaker 6: Top three, top four picks, top five man, this is

634
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 6: not the profile you want to be selecting. And if

635
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 6: you're gonna be selecting a bad first outfielder, corner outfielder,

636
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 6: he's got to be a killer hitter. He's got to

637
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 6: be like a corner fielder, corner outfield has to be

638
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 6: like Andrew Vaughn type, Spans punter tour. He's gotta be

639
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 6: a next Jelly, a generational bats in order for me

640
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 6: to be safe picking a guy who's really just gonna be,

641
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 6: you know, on the wrong end of the defensive spectrum.

642
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 6: And that's really what I do see with J. J.

643
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: Bodey.

644
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: Lastly, the last player we have to talk about is

645
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 1: mister Charles LeBlanc. Can't forget about mister LeBlanc. I believe

646
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: he is the second of these four rookies to have

647
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: a positive war.

648
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: But they was negative.

649
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: CROSSI and zero point zero enough anything there any stats

650
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: there for him to get I believe in the positives

651
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: or even negatives. But LeBlanc zero point six war. He

652
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: had played in forty eight games, one hundred and sixty

653
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: nine at played appearances slash line two six three three

654
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Speaker 1: twenty four or four four seven two three ohps. So

655
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: not just one of the better rookies for the Martins,

656
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Speaker 1: but maybe better hitters that we've seen, even though he's

657
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Speaker 1: played less than fifty games. Lewis, what did you see

658
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: from blanc season this sample sized? And has he earned

659
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: maybe a roster spot next season, just in terms of

660
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Speaker 1: his his ability to hit the baseball.

661
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Speaker 3: So this may be a controversial opinion. I think maybe

662
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Speaker 3: his future as a big leaguer is as a kind

663
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: of like a utility infielder who can hit a little

664
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Speaker 3: bit more than the average utility infielder that we're accustomed

665
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: to seeing. Although now you know, with guys playing emphasizing

666
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: playing multipleositions and organizations kind of wanting that as a

667
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: thing for guys that they want to, you know, roster.

668
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Speaker 7: It.

669
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Speaker 3: You know, not sure how long his big league leish

670
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: would be, but he'd be valuable in that regard because

671
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 3: he hits for a little bit of power. I mean,

672
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 3: he's got ten to fifteen homer power for a guy

673
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: who if he gets maybe three hundred at bats and

674
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Speaker 3: he gives you that, you know that's not bad.

675
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Speaker 4: This one is in the year to left field and

676
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Speaker 4: lab block Lablac.

677
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 2: He was so far out on his front foot, he

678
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: kept his hands back, a really nice piece of hitting.

679
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Speaker 3: Nice job forty eight games. Obviously you noted the sample

680
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Speaker 3: he was a slightly above averagehitor by ops plus and

681
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 3: WRC plus. Yeah, I mean the arm strength is subboptimal

682
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: which is why I don't think he's a third baseman

683
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 3: long term. But if the Marlins were to somehow part

684
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: ways with Bertie, if a team were looking for a

685
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: role player and they came a call in for Bertie,

686
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: if maybe the Mariners wanted to recreate Adam Fraser, but

687
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: with a guy who is maybe slightly more productive and

688
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: positionally versatile and better at multiple positions, then maybe they

689
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Speaker 3: would give him a call and relinquished LeBlanc to kind

690
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Speaker 3: of be that team's everyday utility guy. I think he

691
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Speaker 3: would maybe get a little bit more than Bertie, but

692
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: you'd be sacrificing some of the way of overall defensive

693
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: ability despite the fact that he is very and yeah

694
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: just speed. Obviously he's not he's not a burner. He's

695
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: not gonna steal a lot of bases. But he's useful.

696
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: And I don't mean that in like a very like

697
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 3: condescending way. I think he has He's I think Charles

698
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 3: LeBlanc is and has the potential to remain for the

699
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: next couple of years a capable big league player. And again,

700
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Speaker 3: there's many people in the world that can't say that,

701
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: who play baseball and love it. But LeBlanc, you know,

702
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 3: has varying degrees of talent that I think can see

703
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: him being of use to teams given his ability to

704
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: you know, he'll occasionally run into one. You could put

705
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: him at third base and not feel too concerned. The

706
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: one concern I do have beyond this suboptimal arm strength.

707
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: And for those wondering, he was in the eighteenth percentile

708
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: in arm strength, so like first base, maybe makes sense,

709
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: though he I don't like I said, I don't think

710
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: he'll hit for the power to justify that second base. Again,

711
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: I noted he's good at but defensively, but you have

712
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 3: Jazz there, and Jazz defensively is better at second base.

713
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 3: Jazz another guy who is a below average thrower by

714
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Speaker 3: armstrength metrics. The k rate though, and Adam, I want

715
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Speaker 3: you to regret thirty one percent. You know, guys like

716
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 3: Joey Gallo when he was at his best hitting forty

717
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: homers and back to back seasons, you could justify striking

718
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: out thirty five to forty percent of the time. Striking

719
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 3: out thirty percent of the time when the league average

720
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Speaker 3: is around twenty two to twenty three percent and you're

721
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 3: heading for the power that you are especially right now.

722
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Speaker 3: But you see here on the screen right there's one

723
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Speaker 3: forty one isolated power that's like not optimal, especially when

724
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: your babbup is approaching four hundred to three seventy four.

725
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: Like it's very seldom that you're gonna unless you're Babe

726
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 3: Ruth the Dead and the at the tail end of

727
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: the dead Ball era. Will you sustain a bab that high.

728
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: It's just not sustainable. So I think there's maybe some

729
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: regression there. But given the versatility and like I said,

730
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: the ability to hit for power, but for striking out

731
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: that much, they're you know, that's definitely where the concerns

732
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Speaker 3: further present themselves.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I know Alex really likes Charles Charles

734
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 6: the Blanc, and I really hate to right on his

735
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 6: parade here.

736
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Speaker 2: But that's what I do here on fish Stripes.

737
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Speaker 6: But so Charles the Charles le Blanc is very firmly

738
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Speaker 6: like if I don't even see him as.

739
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: Really utility player to be honest with.

740
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 6: You, because he just just like you mentioned that Lewis,

741
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 6: he's doesn't have the arm strength for me to really

742
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 6: see him as a versatile player to play on the

743
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 6: left side of the infield. On the right side of

744
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 6: the outfield, right field. So so I just I don't

745
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 6: see him having the defensive versatil like I said at

746
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 6: the plate.

747
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: It's just it's even worse.

748
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 6: There's just nothing really to write home about with the

749
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 6: ex Suobba being under three hundred and really like, which

750
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 6: tells you that he's he was overperforming his what is

751
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 6: expected outcome and that he's likely to regress into in

752
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 6: a normal in a normalized setting, So that point nine

753
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 6: war that he put up fancrafts for with a course

754
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 6: of almost fifty games is somewhat of a farce, I'm

755
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 6: sorry to say. And even then, like like I said,

756
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 6: like in a normal setting, he would put up very

757
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 6: very like shoddy numbers and it wouldn't even I don't

758
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 6: think would warrant a a utility role like you mentioned Lewis.

759
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 6: That's the one thing I do DVA for you. I

760
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 6: just don't even I think he's not even a.

761
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: Major like a quality Major leaguer in any form.

762
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 6: H you had guys like Roshawn's who you know, on

763
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 6: like in a playoff caliber team, he's probably that utility guy.

764
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 6: But for the Marlins, he's probably starting a third LeBlanc,

765
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 6: not even a major leaguer in my regard in the

766
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 6: playoff team. He's a utility guy on the Marlins. And

767
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 6: it's just for me, it's just there's nothing. There's not

768
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 6: a whole lot to write home about. It's just, you know,

769
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 6: you got a twenty seven yearly will be starting to

770
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 6: almost almost twenty seven when.

771
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: He starts next year. There's just not really much for me.

772
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 6: He's got that seven percent walk right, a thirty one

773
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 6: percent strikeout rate. Uh, he does make contact in the zone,

774
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 6: but he's just miserably swinging and missing and not really

775
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 6: picking out his pitch as well.

776
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: It's just it's he doesn't.

777
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 6: There's no feel at the plate like there is for

778
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 6: a guy like there is like Jordan Groschans, which is

779
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 6: why I like Grouchants and why I advocated it against

780
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 6: Alex for him over in the bloc.

781
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: To start next year at third.

782
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 6: But yeah, I mean there's also you know, Groschans also

783
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 6: had a sub three hundred next flow. But but there's

784
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 6: safer Like I said, there's like safer tools with Groscheans

785
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 6: as a hitter than there is of the bloc, And

786
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 6: ultimately reason why Groscheans is a prospect, and why LeBlanc

787
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 6: was a non prospect.

788
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: You know, we see this kind of crap happen all

789
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: the time with guys. They'll come up and they'll they'll

790
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: they'll like they'll I mean no, I don't mean it

791
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: in a bad way.

792
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 6: I mean they'll I mean no, no, no, it's like they'll

793
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: they'll like bad like no, yeah, but they'll bad hit

794
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 6: their way kind of like DLC did last year in

795
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 6: September to a high average, and you know, obviously DLC

796
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 6: went off this year in September.

797
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens next year.

798
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 6: But they'll bat their way high and then you know,

799
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 6: the next year they'll come in and they kind of suck.

800
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 6: And that's what happened with DLC for the majority of

801
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 6: the year. So that's I mean, unfortunately, I just I

802
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 6: really just don't see. I'm not too optimistic about Charles LeBlanc,

803
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 6: like I am. Guys like La Dat, guys like gross,

804
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 6: like we've talked about. That's just kind of the reality

805
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 6: of situation. I want to be as honest possible with that.

806
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 6: I do not see Charles LeBlanc as a major leaguer

807
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 6: for much longer unless something crazy drastic happens like huge.

808
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: Believers and Charles LeBlanc. I don't know what else to

809
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 2: tell you.

810
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: As miss coming in for for those couple of seconds there.

811
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: So just before to wrap it up, I'm talking about

812
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: these four here's for the Marlins for this season. I

813
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: want to ask you guys, just really quickly, how would

814
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: you grade these four players for the Marlins overall?

815
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: How would you grade these rookie hitters?

816
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: Would you say if they be a CEE for in total?

817
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: For those four guys.

818
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: For the Marlins rookie hitters this season is be how

819
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: would you grade Marlins bats this season?

820
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: And start with Adam.

821
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: All the bats or just the rookies, just the rookie guys,

822
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: maybe the guys we talked about today.

823
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 2: Shoot man, I mean.

824
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 6: I guess like LeBlanc gave some you know, he did

825
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 6: produce ultimately, so we'll give him credit there.

826
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: And Crochans was okay, but they really was.

827
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 6: Unfortunate and I think there'sn't a whole lot to look

828
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 6: forward to it. Even then this year they were pretty

829
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 6: disappointing with the time that they had. I'd give him

830
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 6: probably a C minus Daniel just because you know, I'll

831
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 6: give him. It wasn't a complete wash for all of them,

832
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 6: but it really really wasn't good at all, and it

833
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 6: was probably just to tick above or the notchet level

834
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 6: above just awful. And it was and it was really

835
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 6: just almost crashing batch.

836
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: And I don't know. I'll leave Lewis up to give

837
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: his cred but I'm in that near failing range.

838
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not. I'm not any more optimistic. I mean,

839
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 3: I think in the A to F scales definitely be

840
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: considered average. And I think with the potential of grossians,

841
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 3: like I said, his advanced plate discipline and the ability

842
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: to draw walks, and I think his his batted ball

843
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: profile says he'll be a better hitter. I like Fortes

844
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 3: obviously from what we talked about earlier. I'll be a

845
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: little bit more generous, but not that much more. I'm

846
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 3: gonna go see because I think he is. You know,

847
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: I think that some of these guys have a chance

848
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 3: to be productive. I mean, if you're assessing future value,

849
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 3: LeBlanc is no higher than forty. But most of those

850
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: guys are who kind of become utility in fielders. Though

851
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 3: there are like I said, there are issues there. I said,

852
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 3: he's not the best arm, and he's not the best

853
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 3: third baseman, but he makes up for ways, you know,

854
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: playing second base and the cameo he's had at first base.

855
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 3: And you know, he was an outfielder at times in

856
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 3: the minors, so we could see that in him playing

857
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: some left field if he has to. So yeah, but

858
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 3: I'd give it a see. I think there's definitely holes

859
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: with all these guys, some more than others. Adam one

860
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: more point on the block, his best hitter comp according

861
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 3: to stat Cast data on the battle Ball profile, Martine Maldonado,

862
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 3: the most confident thing that's bad in ball profile, and

863
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: that's expected stats taken into account. So things can only

864
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: go up right or you can be Jeff Mathis. But

865
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: you know, there ain't much else to say about that though,

866
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: And I.

867
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: Think with that is the perfect time with Jeff mass

868
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: Mathis Marmon's Hall of Famer, Marmon's legend. To end it

869
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: off here for Phisiology Episode three, I am Daniel for Adam,

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Speaker 1: for Lewis. We have Eli behind the scenes. We'll catch

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Speaker 1: you up next time and always go Fish