1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: the Bonus with Doug gottlie What. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: Up Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio, 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in. We're a 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: day away from the NBA Finals at the time of 6 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 2: this recording. You can listen to this podcast whenever. And 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: I think it's always interesting, right, Like, what was the 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: thing you were worried about with the Thunder to start 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 2: the start the playoffs? It was that they hadn't won 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: in the playoffs yet, right, And it's a little bit 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 2: like coaching in the NBA. In order to coach in 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: the in order to coach a championship team in the NBA, 13 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: you have to have won a championship. In order to 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: win a championship, you have to have coached a championship 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: team in the NBA. Right, in order to have people 16 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: believe in you in the NBA and the finals, you 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: have to have performed in the playoffs and or perform 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: the playoffs. You have to have previously performed the playoffs. 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: It's just it's I I'm pretty sure the Thunder are 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: going to win this series. Again, I don't know, because games, 21 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: sometimes guys don't make shots, sometimes guys don't get calls. 22 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: But our one fear with the Thunder is they'd run 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: into an older, more physical team that had played playoff 24 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: basketball and they had not. And that nearly happened against 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: the Nuggets, only the Nuggets couldn't stay healthy. That's not 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: the case with the Pacers. So why are we talking 27 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: ourselves into the Pacers beating the Thunder when it's just 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: not a bad matchup for the Thunder, just not You 29 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 2: know what I want to do is I want to 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 2: get to get to our first guest. So there's all 31 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: kinds of unique stories in sports. I love using the 32 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: pod to discuss one. So people think I work a 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: lot because I host the radio show, we do the pod, 34 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: and of course some had basketball coach. What if I 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: told you there's a coach in college basketball who's going 36 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: to coach both the men's and the women's team at 37 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: the same time at the same school. His name is 38 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 2: Stephen Barker, and I love unique stories and obviously doing 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: double duty being a head coach and hosting the show. 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: People make a big deal about it. I don't think 41 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: it's a huge deal, especially as you get kind of 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 2: a year in and you start to understand all that 43 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: you need for one job, all that you need for 44 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 2: the next. Again, then I read this story. Our next 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 2: guest is he's the head women's coach at the University 46 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: of Southwest, name Stephen Barker. He joins us now on 47 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: the Doug Oatlib Show on Fox Sports Radio. Coach, how 48 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 2: are you. 49 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Thanks for having me. 50 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: How was your year? Last year at Southwest? 51 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 3: It was unique. I got the job extremely late, didn't 52 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 3: get a chance to recruit, so I got very very 53 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: blessed and fortunate to have a great group of young ladies. 54 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 3: I started August seventh, right at about ten or so 55 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: days before school started. Our year was fourteen and fifteen, 56 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: ten and fourteen in the league. We didn't make it 57 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: to the conference tournament. Not everybody qualifies. We were very 58 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 3: fortunate to get in the last week. Overall, it was 59 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: a good year though. 60 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: Okay, Now, University of Southwest is in Hobbs, New Mexico. 61 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: Is that right, yes, sir? Okay, how far is that 62 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: from Area fifty one? 63 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. 64 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: You don't know where Area fifty one is. I guess 65 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: you're not. Nobody's supposed to know, right. It's actually it's 66 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: very close to the Texas border, though, isn't it. I mean, 67 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 2: you guys are close to the Texas border. 68 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: I'm saying, yeah, yeah, we're right on the line. 69 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right, Hobbs At Hobbs of New Mexico is 70 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: right there on the border of Texas. How big a 71 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:43,680 Speaker 2: city is it? 72 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: I think the signs say fifty four thousand is a population? 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: Sure, sure, Okay, So you're the women's coach, it's toughier 74 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: get the job late. I can get that. You can 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: attest When did the men's job come open? 76 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: About a month ago? Our previous men's coach, I believe 77 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: has another job, and we brought another person in and 78 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: then that purpose and left because he was able to 79 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: get another job. I went to our athletic director a 80 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: little bit of selfish reasons, wanted to be able to 81 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: kind of halfway control the scheduling with the men and 82 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: the women. Kind of pitched my idea with some help 83 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: that I suggested that I needed that I think would 84 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: be able to make this work. And he went for it. 85 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: And we're bringing in the guy that I'm hiring tomorrow. 86 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 3: Actually he'll be on campus. But a little bit of 87 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: how you described at the beginning of this was, you know, 88 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: it's a job and then on to the next so 89 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 3: similar to what you were talking about at the beginning 90 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: of this. 91 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're the head men's and the head women's coach, Yes, sir, 92 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: What does that challenge be like? 93 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: That's too early to tell, you know, I think a 94 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 3: lot of it is. I have a lot of support 95 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: from administration, and we have a graduate assistant who is 96 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 3: my former player. She really really wanted to coach before 97 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: this whole thing even came about, and she's really really 98 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: helped me a bunch as far as recruiting goes and 99 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 3: some of the meticulous administration paperwork duties, as far as transcripts, 100 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: you know, all that off the floor stuff that has 101 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 3: to get taken care of. The guy I'm bringing in. 102 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: Coach will Osborne has been great. He's been helping me recruit. 103 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 3: You know. I've just been very, very blessed to have 104 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: all the support that I need. You know, I have 105 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: the title, but I have all the people around me 106 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: basically doing all the work. 107 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: I mean, has this ever happened before? Because when I 108 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: saw the story, I was like, we got to get 109 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: coach on because that one I have never heard of before. 110 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 3: I think if i'm if I'm not, I mean, somebody 111 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 3: will be able to care if I'm wrong. But I 112 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: believe it happened in our league a year or two 113 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 3: ago at LSU Shreveport, where coach Blankenship for a brief 114 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: period of time, had to do the men and the women. 115 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 3: I don't know that story off the top of my head, 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: but I believe I hate to be wrong on my information, 117 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: but I believe he had rather well success for that 118 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 3: brief period of time that he'd done it. 119 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: So when you introduce yourself, now, I guess you just 120 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: introduced yourself as the basketball coach at Southwest, right, like, 121 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: as you are the basketball coach. Yeah, I knew, but 122 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 2: then somebody says were the women's coaching the men's coach? 123 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: And then you say well both. They're like what. 124 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually unique that you know. I'm able to 125 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: talk to you because I grew up in Guthrie, Oklahoma, 126 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: and I watched you play. Literally, it's amazing how we're 127 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 3: like thirty miles apart from when you were in Stillwater 128 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: and I was in Guthrie. 129 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: Sure, I've been to got through many a time. A 130 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: matter of fact, my kids living in Edmund so I 131 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: know the area. So well, are you going to run 132 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: the same offense. 133 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: That's going to depend on a lot on recruiting. The 134 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 3: women are more than ess five out with the men. 135 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 3: You know, in a perfect world, which I know we 136 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: don't live in, I kind of like to have more 137 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: sets and that grinded out tom Izzo's style of play. 138 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: But you know that we're not really you know, the 139 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: board is pretty open, still kind of waiting on guys 140 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: to commit, and I get it. You know, everybody's testing 141 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 3: the water, so to speak. A lot of that will 142 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: come down to recruiting and if we can get a 143 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 3: couple of bigs that that can kind of fit that 144 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: style of what we want to do. 145 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: If not, I mean, I like, I couldn't you like again, 146 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: I've coached multiple AU teams, right, you call the plays 147 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: all the same plays? You may run different plays, may 148 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: may run different ones. But I just wonder in terms 149 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: of your own your brain, you know, oh, we don't 150 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: call it that. We call that that with the men's team. 151 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: We call this the women's team. That's the only part 152 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: that I feel like has got to be really hard. 153 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think a lot of our stuff 154 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: is just going to be uniformed to a degree. I think, 155 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: especially now, you know, I thought about, Okay, well, people 156 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: are going to be able to scout and things like 157 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: that and pick up on what we do. You know, 158 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: there's enough film and scauting reports and resources and technology. 159 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: Nobody's really high anything anymore. So I would say to 160 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 3: put a percentage on it. Both teams will probably run 161 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 3: eighty percent of the same stuff. 162 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: Sure. Sure. Stephen Barker is our guest. He's the head 163 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: coach men's and women's coach at the University of Southwesterns 164 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 2: and Hobbs, New Mexico. He joins us in the Doug 165 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: Outleb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Are you practice is 166 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: going to be back to back one morning, one afternoon? 167 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: How are you going to do it? I know part 168 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: of why you do it was the gym time. How 169 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: are you going to do it? 170 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think last year the women were on from 171 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 3: two to four and the men were four to six. 172 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: I'll try to stagger that out a little bit more. 173 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: The women will go first, they play first, and I'm 174 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: going to try to have it to where there's gonna 175 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 3: be some gym availability in between practices so the girls 176 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: can still get shot up and stuff while they're in 177 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 3: their workout gear of practice stuff instead of having to 178 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: go back to the dorms or their campus apartments, whatever 179 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 3: the case may be, and then you know, get rested 180 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: and then come back. Or most of us said something 181 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 3: that's really really hard to do. So I'll try to 182 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: stagger out practice times a little bit differently. I'm not 183 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 3: going to say better, just differently, no. 184 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: No, no question, no question, and then you'll learn. And 185 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 2: if you do a year two then you'll be you'll 186 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 2: do it differently even than that. Right, that's the way 187 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: it that's the way it works. How much other national 188 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: interest has there been in this sory of coaching both 189 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 2: both men's and women's Uh? 190 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 3: Not much. Uh. I think you know that we're just 191 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: a four year small NAI institution. You know, I'm not 192 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 3: I'm not really well known of popular figure, So I 193 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 3: think that probably has a lot to do with it too. 194 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: And uh, I'm sure somebody else out there is doing 195 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 3: it too. Uh, I just don't know who they are. 196 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know either, I think it's great. 197 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch. I'm consider me a fan 198 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: and uh, I'd love to follow what but both what 199 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: the men and the women do and the idea of 200 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: having two different systems to me is also it sounds 201 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: like fun, like, hey, with this team, I'll try five out. 202 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 2: With this team, we'll play more rugged. But it else 203 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 2: like a lot like a lot of mental gymnastics. 204 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: I think, you know, I won't be able to really 205 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: because I'm kind of pieced in my head what I 206 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 3: think it should look like. Sure, I think think, you know, 207 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: just trying to fast forward into what December or January 208 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: would look like. How hard is it going to be 209 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 3: after a women's game because we played back to back doubleheaders, 210 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 3: so I wonder how hard it's going to be to 211 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: separate game one from game two. I think it will 212 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 3: be a unique dynamic for me. But yeah, kind of 213 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: like you said, it'll be fun and interesting all in 214 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: the same breath. 215 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: It's an amazing story. Hey, coach, listen, I won't wish 216 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: you best of luck. I think it's awesome. I can't 217 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: wait to track it, and let's let's talk hoop more often. 218 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: Appreciate your time here on Fox Sports Radio. 219 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: Nope, thank you guys for having me. 220 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 221 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 222 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio. 223 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 2: App Let's get to the Fox As and now every 224 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: this time and the Bonus podcast play for you previous 225 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: a Fox portrayer or a Fox Ports one show. Here's Arrington 226 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: and Jonas Ducks talk about Sam Donald. 227 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to find out what's the difference between Geno. 228 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: Smith and Sam Donald from a. 229 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 5: Quarterback play standpoint, that is there that much of a difference, 230 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 5: because that was the. 231 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 6: I think they've had kind of like kind of comparable, 232 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 6: you know, starts. 233 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: Started with the Jets. Both got their start with the Jets. 234 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: We know that goes for Jets quarterbacks. 235 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 6: And I was going to say, well, it's not like 236 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 6: it would be the first time Sam Donald got benched 237 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 6: for another quarterback, right, I mean, let's let's not get 238 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 6: too carried away, too far away from you know, what 239 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 6: happened in the years prior to his resurgence, or or 240 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 6: not even resurgence, just emergence to begin with, for the 241 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 6: first time in Minnesota last year, there could be a 242 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 6: lot of questions. Again, I've said this and I'm gonna 243 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 6: stick to it. For Minnesota to allow Sam Darnald to 244 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 6: leave for a player that has not proven himself yet, 245 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 6: that missed the season due to an injury. To me, 246 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 6: that's the first red flag. That's the first thing that 247 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 6: says to me, you gotta be careful that this isn't 248 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 6: fool's goal with Sam Darnold. 249 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 2: Just to Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, I 250 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 2: don't think it's fools gold. I think I understand that. 251 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: You know, you're looking at Kevin O'Connell. You're like, hey, 252 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: there's two straight quarterbacks who just lit up the world, 253 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 2: and he's like the quarterback whisper, being a former quarterback himself. 254 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: But I think it's also mature player, got to calm 255 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 2: down and if you give him time, like there was 256 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: a reason he was a number three pick in the 257 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: NFL draft. But I understand, I don't know if it's 258 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 2: some of it's got to be proven to himself. Fus, 259 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: someone's gonna be proven the teammates. Someone's gonna be proven 260 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: the league. But I don't know. Sam Don's pretty good 261 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 2: his protection last two games was atrocious and so it's 262 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 2: his play. Here's Chris Brussar talking about the Pacers chances 263 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: in the NBA Finals. 264 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 7: The first thing they gotta do, Nick Tyres Halliburton has 265 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 7: to be a superstar, all right, and against the Thunder 266 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 7: he's not even been a star. 267 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 6: No, he's been bad too. 268 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 7: He's barely been a star Turk like in its four 269 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 7: games last two years. 270 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: Because these two teams. 271 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: What these two teams. 272 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 7: Both have made the playoffs two years, So it's these 273 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 7: are these two years they've been together essentially twelve points 274 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 7: a game, eight and a half. Essential take that. You know, 275 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 7: the shooting numbers aren't bad or three point is down. 276 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: But this year was even worse. 277 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 7: This year, Nick, they went zero in to Hallerburton average 278 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 7: eleven points and five and a half assists. That point 279 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 7: total or average lowest against. 280 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: Any team in the league. 281 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 7: The assists were tied for the lowest against any team 282 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 7: in the league, and he only attempted nine shots a game. Now, 283 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 7: what that tells me is he was passive. Haw Le 284 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 7: Burton cannot do that. They need him to not only 285 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 7: be engaged, but he has got to play like the 286 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 7: best basketball of his career if they're gonna pull off 287 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 7: this historic upset. So that's number one. 288 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: Again. I don't I'm gonna side with Jay Stu here. 289 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: This is a kind of classic j Stu conversation, which 290 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 2: is I hate any sort of predictions when you have 291 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: no idea a number of shots, like we have no 292 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: idea who's gonna be guarded and how they're gonna be guarded, 293 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: and how it's going to play, and who's gonna be 294 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: in foul trouble. I I just hate that. I just 295 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: hate that. Both teams play a lot of guys. Both 296 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 2: teams are very aggressive defensively. Obviously, the Pacers play at 297 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 2: the fastest pace in the NBA, and so they'll give up, 298 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: they'll give up some music ones because they want to 299 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: shove it down your throat. I think what's most interesting 300 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: is can the thunder slow the game down? Slow the 301 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: game down? It doesn't mean you score less. It's in 302 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: the pace by which you get easy lamps, easy shots. 303 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 2: You gotta make the Pacers earn it, So that would 304 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 2: be my way of looking at it. Here's Rob Parker 305 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 2: talking about the next firing. Tom Thibodeaux. 306 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 8: I told you over and over that the Knicks did 307 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 8: not overachieve, that they underachieve, and that Tom Thibodeau deserved 308 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 8: to be fired. 309 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 5: And I tried to tell you this yesterday. We went 310 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 5: on and on and on about this, but we'll get 311 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 5: to this. Do you feel better? How do you feel 312 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 5: after yesterday you made your case that they were overachievers? 313 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 2: Not I don't want credit? Okay, I don't you do? 314 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 4: I want you you do want credit? 315 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 5: N I want you to acknowledge that your argument yesterday. 316 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 4: At that achieved. 317 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: No, no, no, that the argument that they. 318 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 5: Overachieved was illogical, reckless and dumb. 319 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 9: You just focusing on the Thibodeau because that you said 320 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 9: Thodau should be fired. 321 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 4: He why would I say? 322 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 6: Why? 323 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 4: Why did I say he should be fired? 324 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 9: I still stand on this. They overachieved. All walked into this, 325 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 9: we all, we all walked into this playoff series, including 326 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 9: you listening and the Knicks. We're gonna lose there. They're 327 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 9: not gonna be Boston. They're not gonna do this. Not terrible. 328 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 9: You spent the whole class about the Boston. 329 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 5: Not when they beat Boston and Indiana's in front of them. 330 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 9: It's just you think. 331 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 5: But I want you to say you're wrong, that you're 332 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 5: wrong about the achievement. 333 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 9: No, no, no, I strongly stand on that. That's the part 334 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 9: I stand on morning, and they overachieved. Nobody expected this. 335 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 5: No, they did not stop saying that. It's illogical what 336 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 5: you're saying. It doesn't make sense, Kelvin. 337 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 9: Nobody did not next beat It was the Cell, was 338 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 9: the Cavaliers. 339 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 5: No, you change expectations once they knocked off the defending champ. 340 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 2: Why would you change expectations once they knock off the 341 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 2: defending champ. That doesn't make any sense to me. I 342 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 2: don't know anybody who's reasonable who thinks that this was 343 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 2: a smart move. You know, what you win with in 344 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: the NBA oftentimes is consistency. And you could sit there 345 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 2: and go like, why do you like his rotations? Well, 346 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: it got them to the Eastern Conference finals. Did you 347 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: like it? 348 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: Then? 349 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah? I struggle with that one. So I'm actually I'm 350 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: I'm with Delvin there. The Knicks did overachieve. And because 351 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: they overachieved, uh, the expectations where they were going to 352 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 2: beat the Pacers, and so much of the NBA is 353 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: about matchups, and they struggle with that matchup. They couldn't 354 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 2: hide Carl Towns and jail brought to the court tea 355 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: time I got exposed and then they give way too 356 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: many transition baskets. I don't think he coached a perfect series, 357 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: but I also know that had they not choked away 358 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: Game one, it wouldn't matter. Would have been Game seven 359 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 2: at home. That's what the Fox said, I say. 360 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 361 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 362 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 363 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart. 364 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying. 365 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 2: Doug. 366 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 4: I start off today with a very media story. You 367 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 4: me and people that create content for a living loved 368 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 4: the story yesterday. Lebron James on his official social media accounts, 369 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: I think he's got what tens of millions of followers 370 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 4: on each of the social media accounts. He put up 371 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 4: a I guess a promo for his own podcast, and 372 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 4: it includes something that you love. I know this is 373 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 4: this is one of your favorite things. He put a 374 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 4: bunch of tweets from random people saying how much they 375 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 4: love the podcast. So if you think about it, he's 376 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 4: got fifty eight million followers. Whatever it is. I'm guessing 377 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 4: you could find enough people that say, I really like 378 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 4: your podcast to fill a sixty minute promo. So you know, 379 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 4: Corvette Guy twenty eight, Lebron, I love your basketball talk. 380 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 4: And then, but here's the controversy. Throughout all of these 381 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 4: tweets with complimentary things about his podcasts, is sound from 382 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: Brian Windhorst saying Lebron doing a basketball only podcast is 383 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 4: not going to be listened to. People don't want to 384 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 4: hear a basketball podcast about basketball. People want to hear 385 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 4: about the storylines. And by the way, Windhorst was basically 386 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: saying what JJ Reddick said last year. Do you remember 387 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 4: this that He's like, I talk about the post game 388 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 4: for the Timberwolves and it gets ten thousand views. I 389 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 4: talk about Doc Rivers is a mess with the Bucks 390 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 4: and it got billions of views. That's how this that's 391 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 4: how this business works. So Lebron, in promoting his own podcast, 392 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 4: was putting Brian Horse's Windhorse's voice against all these randoms 393 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: on Twitter who say they love the podcast. So that 394 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 4: was funny onto itself. And then there's the next part 395 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 4: of controversy, Lebron took it down, which is always the question. 396 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 4: I know you had a couple of situations during the season. 397 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 4: Do you take down a post or do you leave it? 398 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: I think you should always leave it up, because now 399 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 4: it looks worse for him. 400 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 2: It does look worse. It does look worse. I don't 401 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: think there's any I don't think there's any disputing it 402 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: looks worse that way. I'm not in dispute of it. 403 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: But I will tell you though, and this is really important, okay, 404 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: is that I don't agree that you can't take down 405 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: a post. You can't just if it didn't land the 406 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: way you want it, like, eh, I don't think there's 407 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 2: anything that sinister about taking it down. I just I don't. 408 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 2: And I hate the guys that you took a strenge 409 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: out of the posts. 410 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 5: And so. 411 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: The one thing I would kind of agree with you 412 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: in regards to Lebron taking down a post, is any 413 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: post like that that has that much work that goes 414 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: into it has to have been prepped right. It was 415 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: not like it's it's not like my posts that occasionally 416 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: go awry a lot of times it's I'm barely paying 417 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: attention and it's just a thought that comes to my mind. 418 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 2: I thought it was funny, and I you know what 419 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: I mean. Whereas if you have all these tweets that 420 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 2: other people have, if you have video of Brian Windhoor 421 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 2: saying nobody's gonna like, somebody took a lot of time 422 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: to think up what's the perfect way to deliver a 423 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 2: tweet and we came up with it. Haha. Isn't this cool? 424 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 2: So I normally don't agree with you in terms of 425 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: taking down tweets because I do think like, if something 426 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 2: doesn't land the way you want, just take it down 427 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: and we move on. But for whatever reason, this is 428 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: one that sits differently with me, not because it's Lebron, 429 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: but because somebody, and maybe it's Lebron and probably his team, 430 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: puts so much thought and effort into it. If you 431 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: think if I don't know, if you think that's fair. 432 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: Oh, it's your opinion. I'm I'm not going to disagree 433 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 4: with that, but I will say this, this, this could 434 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 4: not be a more media sexy story and it hasn't 435 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 4: gotten enough attention. And I hope everyone now just listens 436 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 4: to this podcast and realizes how good it is. It 437 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 4: involves Lebron James, the most maybe the most famous athlete 438 00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 4: on the planet. It involves him having a petty, petty 439 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 4: thing with a reporter that he supposedly has known for 440 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: a better part of forty years. It involves tweets from 441 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 4: randoms that you love, you love that part about this, 442 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: tweets from Corvette Guy twenty eight to support your theory. 443 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: Just just so people are listening to the pod. Maybe 444 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: for the first time, I understand that is sarcasting from 445 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 2: Jason Stewart. Okay, it's literally like Jace two is in 446 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 2: search of the opposite of bullshit, right, That's what he 447 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: wants on his tombstone. What I want is maybe put 448 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: it on my tombstone. Is he was the guy who 449 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: said it was fucking stupid to care about people that 450 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: don't matter and put their tweets up on up on 451 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 2: legit TV shows and radio shows and podcasts. 452 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 4: It's called platforming. Lebron James platformed. You know Lexis Guy 453 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 4: twenty one, And you don't think that Lexus twenty one 454 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 4: deserves to be platformed Lexisky twenty one, Lexusky twenty one, say, 455 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 4: do we think Lexisky. 456 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: One that's better than Corvette Guy twenty three. 457 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 4: No co guy is funnier. 458 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 2: Who else is? Who else is annoying you? 459 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 4: I love this. So my favorite guest to have on 460 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 4: this show. I don't know if you agree, but my 461 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 4: favorite guest on the show is Dan Dawkins. I think 462 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 4: he's great. He's hilarious, and he says interesting and important things. 463 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 4: He had Indiana Senator Jim Banks on yesterday. Jim Banks, 464 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 4: Senator from Indiana, weighing in on the Angel Reese racism allegation. 465 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 4: This is great. 466 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 10: She accused the Indiana Fever fan base of being racist. 467 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 10: They investigated it, they said those accusations were false. The 468 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 10: least that she could do is apologize to our great 469 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 10: state and the fans that show up at these games 470 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 10: and say I'm sorry I was wrong. Obviously she's not 471 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 10: going to do that. But also, Dan, why isn't the 472 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 10: Indiana Fever apologizing to their own fan base for putting 473 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 10: them through that, for going through those types of accusations. 474 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 10: I mean, it's a Those are awful accusations. They weren't true. 475 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 10: The fans weren't shouting racial slurs toward Angel Reese or 476 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 10: opposing players. 477 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 4: I think we spent a better part of last week's 478 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 4: Midway on this topic. Should there be a punishment in 479 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: place for false accusations? Just yesterday we read that Trevor 480 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 4: Bauer now can collect three hundred dollars from his accuser. 481 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 4: A judge has said that her accusation had zero merit 482 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 4: was false, it caused him public harm and the opportunity 483 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 4: to earn paychecks in Major League Baseball, and she is 484 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 4: subjected to pay him three hundred thousand dollars. You need 485 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 4: punitive measures in place for people who think they can 486 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 4: get away with this. 487 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 2: I e. 488 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 4: Jesse Smolette, he went to prison for falsely saying that 489 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 4: he was racially attacked. You have to have punitive measures 490 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 4: and police. And not only does the WNBA not have 491 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 4: punitive measures in place, they haven't even apologized to anybody 492 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 4: for this thing going the wrong way? As the senator 493 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 4: just said, why hasn't there better an official apology for 494 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: the inconvenience for the two weeks that the Fever fans 495 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: were all considered racists? Like where's where's that? Even? 496 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: No, we do this all the time, all the time. 497 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 2: I wholeheartly agree with the senator and like do I 498 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: think there needs to be a lawsuit, Like no, but 499 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: I definitely think that this is just it's just a 500 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: clown show, and no one actually ever says, hey are bad, 501 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: you were right. This is not you know what I mean, 502 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: Like that's that's no one said anything racist. I just again, 503 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's such a bad look 504 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 2: for the WNBA, it's such a bad look for injuries. 505 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 2: And I also think that again, this is what happens, 506 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 2: is that because we don't make a big thing over 507 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: the fact that they are false accusations, it's Indiana forever. 508 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: Where's the scarlet letter? They just do. There's no proven 509 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: truth to any of this. And yet I do think 510 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: if you asked a percentage of people, a higher percentage 511 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 2: of people than you would think, maybe not fifty, but 512 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 2: definitely higher than twenty five think Indiana sports fans are racist. 513 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: Why Well, because they're white. Because that's the image of Indiana. 514 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: Indiana's image is that it's white. Indianapolis is a very 515 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: diverse city, by the way, But yeah, suburbs are white, 516 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,479 Speaker 2: and I'm sure there's a there's a high percent I mean, 517 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: I don't know percentages or demographics. Just because you're white 518 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: does not mean you're a racist. I would hope that 519 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 2: most white people are not racists. I hope that the 520 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: number of people that are racist are decreasing by the day. 521 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: That was always my thought, And yeah, this one I don't. 522 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 2: I do think it's just it's one of those the 523 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 2: easy way to not completely crush your own ego is 524 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: just to go, hey, my bad. You know. But all 525 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 2: of this started, by the way, because of what was it, 526 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 2: Corvette Guy twenty three, People like Corvette Guy twenty three 527 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: thought they heard something posted on social media and went 528 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: on the attack of fever fan. That's really what happened. 529 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: It was not angel Rees, it was not not this time. 530 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 2: But I thought it was pretty crummy. And I actually 531 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: agree with the Center. 532 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 4: It's funny you say that people can never just say 533 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 4: I was wrong, or people can never apologize for the 534 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 4: way they treated somebody. Sure, here's a great example. You 535 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 4: and I went through this last summer. What's the name 536 00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 4: of this boxer sam Immani Khalif, Monica Iman Khalif, and Monkelodi. Yes, yeah, 537 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 4: won the gold medal Aman Khalif. I guess, depending on 538 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 4: where you are on the political spectrum, is either male 539 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 4: or female undefined. I guess we'll go for this. So 540 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 4: in the last couple of days it's been determined because 541 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 4: the World Boxing I think Association has now made it. 542 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 4: Moving forward, anybody over the age of eighteen that competes 543 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: in our events needs to undertake a basically a gender test, 544 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 4: a saliva test to determine your gender. This was heralded 545 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: by the right as an admission that Aman Khaliff does 546 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 4: not deserve the gold medal, sure that Aman Califf was 547 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 4: a man fighting women and that she should have the 548 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: gold medal taken away. A lot of noise, a lot 549 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 4: of we were right, and then the people on the 550 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 4: left who kept saying, you guys are transphobic for jumping 551 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 4: to conclusions, you guys are homophobic for all this, and 552 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 4: this is this is what's wrong with people they make 553 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 4: They make these accusations judged on just the eye tests, 554 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 4: and you guys. 555 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: Are all wrong. 556 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 4: Well right now the right is demanding apologies from the left, 557 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 4: saying for accusing them of something wrong because they think 558 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 4: this recent news makes them right. Uh. The annoying thing 559 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 4: is for somebody like me, I follow the way things 560 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 4: are covered very closely, probably too close. I care about 561 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 4: the way things are covered, and there's no in the middle. 562 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 4: It's everyone goes to their corner. 563 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: Yep. 564 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 4: And it's so frustrating and depressing for somebody looking for 565 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 4: the truth or the opposite of bullshit. 566 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, it is annoying. It's annoying that we that 567 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: no one wants to explain the nuance. Right, here's the 568 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: very likely nuance to it. I think there's a lot 569 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 2: of athletes that are women that have some sort of 570 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: androgynists male hormone as well, right, And it's kind of 571 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: in the middle, like are they technically are they a woman? 572 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 6: Yeah? 573 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 2: Do they have some aspects of what makes men men? Yeah, 574 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: and that's probably what makes them better athletes. And I 575 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: would guess that there's a high there's a higher percentage 576 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 2: that we're willing that are not trans athletes. They haven't 577 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 2: had any sexual reassignment surgery or whatever. But we're unwilling 578 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: to have any of these discussions because well, that gets 579 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 2: in the way of our politics. So I'm with you, 580 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 2: and without any question, that is because we can. 581 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 4: Doug Gilbert Arenas was hired by one of the new 582 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 4: new rights holders for the NBA. I want to say 583 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 4: it was Amazon. I wonder what Amazon thinks of Gilbert 584 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 4: Arenas's analysis of Carl Anthony Towns After all cat himself. 585 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 4: It's it's him. 586 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 11: It's his physical makeup, long legs, short tulso, big ass feet. 587 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: There's nothing he can do. 588 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 11: He's built like a whole fucking bitch. He's built gets 589 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 11: built like a girl. The girl hips He's like a 590 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 11: full w NBA player. 591 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 3: Uh. 592 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 2: Somebody wants to get fired from TV before they're ever 593 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: on TV. But I will say that is the kind 594 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: of ship that guys talk about when there's not microphones 595 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 2: in from of him. God bless Gilbertinas for saying stuff 596 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: that other guys would would say but wouldn't say it 597 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: in public. Whack we play for you because we can't. 598 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,239 Speaker 2: That's it for the end of Modus Podcast. You got 599 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 2: the radio show three to five Eastern twelve too, Pacific 600 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 2: Box Sports Radio. I Heart Radio app I'm to Godleig