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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Too Much Information, the

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Speaker 1: show that brings you the secret histories and little known

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Speaker 1: facts and figures behind your favorite movies, music, TV shows

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Speaker 1: and more. We are your dueling Darren's of Details. You're

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Speaker 1: Larry Taits of Tedium. Your uncle Arthur is of awesomely

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Speaker 1: inaned facts twitching up god knows how many hours of

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Speaker 1: mid century trivia.

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Speaker 2: My name's Jordan Runtogg and I'm Alex Heigel.

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Speaker 1: And today we are talking about one of the pillars

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Speaker 1: of my beloved.

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Speaker 2: Nicket night TV programming block.

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Speaker 1: It's one half of the supernatural women on sitcoms in

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Speaker 1: the mid sixties, dimming their shine for totally mediocre Dude's Access.

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Speaker 2: No not, I Dream of Jeannie.

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Speaker 1: The other one, though, as we'll discuss their basically sister shows.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Bewitched. Premiering sixty years ago this September,

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Speaker 1: it quickly became one of the highest rated shows on television,

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Speaker 1: airing for eight seasons on ABC between nineteen sixty four

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Speaker 1: and nineteen seventy two. Bewitched follows the adventures of a

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Speaker 1: friendly witch named Samantha, played by the legendary Elizabeth Montgomery,

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Speaker 1: who marries a mortal named Darren famously played by two

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Speaker 1: different men named Dick, and her attempts to live as

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Speaker 1: an ordinary suburban housewife.

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Speaker 2: Hilarity ensues.

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Speaker 1: I don't have super deep emotions about this show, and

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Speaker 1: in fact, I think, yeah, how could you really? Upon

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Speaker 1: revisiting it, I am thoroughly charmed by Elizabeth Montgomery. I

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Speaker 1: forgot like how great she is to watch, and like

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Speaker 1: fun she is and everything. Yeah, but I as a kid,

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Speaker 1: I think I gave the edge to Genie on a

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Speaker 1: Dream of Genie because first of all, I like space

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Speaker 1: and Tony Nelson was an astronaut and I thought the

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Speaker 1: whole Middle Eastern thing was more cool and exotic.

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Speaker 2: But I also love to be witch problematic of you

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Speaker 2: come on the bottle like I having a clubhouse.

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Speaker 1: I was like that bottles pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, I don't know. We'll see if you get canceled yet. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm kidding, that's all fine, don't panic about that, like

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Speaker 2: I know you will. Haiger.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about Bewitch? Do you like it

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Speaker 1: better than the Brady Bunch? Yes, because it's got a

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fair. I remember watching this and also I

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Speaker 2: dream of Genie, but I took absolutely nothing from them, sure,

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Speaker 2: like in one ear and out the other man. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's because like in those days, like I

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Speaker 2: gravitate towards that still, like I am one of those

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Speaker 2: blasphemous X Files fans. That's like I wish every single

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Speaker 2: episode was Monster of the Week. I don't care about

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Speaker 2: the overch and kids, like I'm bad like that. But

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Speaker 2: so because of that, I just don't remember anything about this,

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Speaker 2: like there was nothing to golm Onto except I also

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Speaker 2: remember finding Elizabeth Montgomery like charming as hell. Yes, And

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Speaker 2: I remember and Dora, Yeah, I feel like you'd like

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Speaker 2: then reading about like in all of my coffee table

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Speaker 2: books about the mid middle of the twentieth century that

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Speaker 2: that you know, they switched Dix and that was such

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Speaker 2: I was like, I had an established notion of witchcraft

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Speaker 2: going back to this, I was like, I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't understand this, but I understand Elizabeth Montgomery. So you

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Speaker 2: thought there was a bait and switch. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I feel like Bewitched is important in the history of

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Speaker 2: give Elizabeth Montgomery her flowers. Whatever. Man, she's cute. She

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Speaker 2: did the wiggle, the face wiggle thing face wiggle, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: As we're talking about cool cool lady, and I should

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Speaker 1: for your beloved Batman, the animated series. She played a barmaid.

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Speaker 1: The Witch, Danny Arnold, believed that the main theme of

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Speaker 1: In February nineteen sixty four, just a few months before

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Speaker 1: Bewitch premiered, Betty Freudan, the legendary.

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Speaker 1: Betty fri Dan, the legendary feminist writer philosopher. I don't

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Speaker 1: The Feminine Mystique, wrote a two part essay for the

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Speaker 1: TV Guide called Television and the Feminine Mystique, in which

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Speaker 1: she lamented the fact that women on sitcoms were quote simplistic, manipulative,

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Speaker 1: She's basically saying, you know you're better than this, Be

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Speaker 1: Many evolved in the making of Bewitch said that they

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Speaker 1: Salt Sacks was open about these influences, one because they

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Speaker 1: So for this you do the one good thing. You

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Speaker 2: it's like it would be something about how she was

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Speaker 2: like prisoned in a car for like it was.

430
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Speaker 1: Like a dashboard Satan, a dashboard devil or something on

431
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Speaker 1: like springs.

432
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Speaker 2: But then like there's actual light behind the eyes. Yeah yeah,

433
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 2: or it's just like yeah, or it's like she was

434
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Speaker 2: like it would go back to like her being cursed

435
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: by like a cabal of like the seventies, like blood sacrifice,

436
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: Satan worshiping, like business guys, a glowing pine air freshener.

437
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Speaker 2: Oh that's good, that's good.

438
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Speaker 1: That's good, Like that represents her soul or something or

439
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: as sentience.

440
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we get like a histrionically wailing Berkeley

441
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Speaker 2: Grad to be like baby, you can drop that, and

442
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 2: then it's like and then like coming December twenty twenty five.

443
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Speaker 2: Everything we pitch on here is a verbal contract. So

444
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Speaker 2: someone who's someone who's this money when that comes out.

445
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Speaker 1: I was just texting a friend of the pod Dora

446
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Speaker 1: a little while ago, and it never occurred to me

447
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Speaker 1: the line from driving my car, but you could do

448
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Speaker 1: something in between.

449
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 2: That's a really obscene sounding line. Never occurred to me.

450
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: Who cares, there's your Beatles' reference. Oh yeah, well.

451
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: The script for The Witch of Westport made its way

452
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Speaker 1: around Hollywood and screen. Jam's first choice for the lead

453
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: was a woman named Tammy Grimes, who was a Broadway star.

454
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Speaker 1: She won a Best Actress Tony in nineteen sixty one

455
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Speaker 1: for playing Molly Brown in The Unsinkable Molly Brown used

456
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Speaker 1: my Titanic drinkable.

457
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: You love the unsinkable Molly Brown so much.

458
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Speaker 1: I love a brassy Southern lady who survives the Titanic. Well,

459
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: what's not the love?

460
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ultimately, Tandy Crimes.

461
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: Backed out of playing the lead on Bewitched because she

462
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Speaker 1: found the idea too far fetched, reportedly wondering why the

463
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Speaker 1: witch in question wouldn't use her powers to either stop

464
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Speaker 1: wars or deal with Los Angeles traffic. Those were the

465
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Speaker 1: two examples she provided, stopping wars or stopping LA traffic.

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Actors are special people, they are.

467
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I always with witchcraft and anything. I'm

468
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: really I'm just always like, like I believe that they

469
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Speaker 2: believe in it, But I'm always just like, why does

470
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: this always just come down to like people in strip

471
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,880
Speaker 2: malls lighting candles, like strip malls that you go into. Yeah, yeah,

472
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: strike that. I don't want to make them witchy women

473
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Speaker 2: mad at me.

474
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm keeping it for that recent Yeah. The

475
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: script for The Witches of Westport eventually landed on the

476
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Speaker 1: desk of William Asher. Asher was a director and producer

477
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Speaker 1: who directed one hundred and ten of I Love Lucy's

478
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy nine episodes, as well as some

479
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: of my beloved Beach Party Franking in that teen movies.

480
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: He just got married to an actress named Elizabeth Montgomery,

481
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Speaker 1: whom he'd met while directing her in the TV movie

482
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Speaker 1: Johnny Cool and this Guy yuh For being like kind

483
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Speaker 1: of a dumpyfore something balding guy, he had something going

484
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Speaker 1: for him.

485
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Speaker 2: Though he was married.

486
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: While directing Johnny Coole, he was having affairs with three

487
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Speaker 1: separate women on the set before getting serious with Elizabeth Montgomery,

488
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 1: and they were deeply in love and soon after their

489
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: marriage in nineteen sixty three, they wanted to find a

490
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: project to work on together so they could be together

491
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Speaker 1: all the time, ideally a sitcom which provided more of

492
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Speaker 1: a stable routine that would allow them to start a family.

493
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: The Witch of Westport fit the bill perfectly. They began

494
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Speaker 1: work on the pilot, making alterations the Salt Sacks original script.

495
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Speaker 1: The title was changed to Bewitched because it just just

496
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: because cleaner, and Cassandra was named Samantha. Apparently, Elizabeth Montgomery

497
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: didn't like Cassandra because she thought it was too connected

498
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Speaker 1: to the evil witches of Greek mythology.

499
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Speaker 2: Oh a little anti Greek, little anti Greek bias going on.

500
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Speaker 2: I love this. This just got interesting for me. Cassandra

501
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 2: was a temple priestess. Now I thought she was like

502
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: a I was gonna say, yeah, wasn't she the one

503
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: who claimed to Yeah yeah, Trojan princess and priestess. Oh

504
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 2: she was the one who was cursed so that she

505
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 2: had visions of the future, but that no one would believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

506
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: I mean same.

507
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Speaker 1: ABC was pitched the show, but they turned it down

508
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: initially because I this is kind of a hilarious reason,

509
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: but I guess kind of makes sense given that it

510
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: was the sixties. They were worried that a show with

511
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Speaker 1: a witch's a main character would repel audiences in the

512
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Speaker 1: highly religious South.

513
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, yeah, that was a smart call.

514
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: They were right, No, it was those people are crazy.

515
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: It was only when Chevy came on as a sponsor

516
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: that they realized that maybe this had the potential to

517
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Speaker 1: make a ton of money after all, and they ended

518
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Speaker 1: up greenlighting it.

519
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: So. Elizabeth Montgomery, the star of Bewitched, is a fascinating woman.

520
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: Aside from her obvious charm that captivated Jordan and I

521
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 2: at an early age. And many others. It's not even

522
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: it's that asexual what it's like at that age, it

523
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: was just purely being like she seems neat or was

524
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: it sexual for you? She was a real pretty lady,

525
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: just a pretty lady who was magical and powerful anyway.

526
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Montgomery, the start of The Bewitched, is a fascinating woman,

527
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: incredibly talented, driven as well as big hearted. She made

528
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 2: over two hundred guest appearances on TV before Bewitch came along,

529
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Speaker 2: and she got an Emmy nomination for an episode of

530
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Speaker 2: The Untouchables. She also starred in Broadway productions like The

531
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Speaker 2: Miracle Worker and Late Love. I don't know what that is?

532
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: It sounds weird. Well, the Miracle Worker, I do is

533
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 2: the hell in kellor one? No? Yeah, I don't know

534
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: what is late nevermind, I don't care. She's also sadly

535
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: or finely depending on your point of view, a NEPO.

536
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Speaker 1: Baby, depending on who's listening and whether or not they

537
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Speaker 1: have access to our coffee.

538
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Speaker 2: Pitge Yeah, yeah, yeah, yuh. Her father was actor Robert Montgomery,

539
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: who was a big star in the thirties and forties

540
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: before he began hosting his own anthology television series Predictably

541
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Speaker 2: Tight Robert Montgomery Presents from nineteen fifty to nineteen fifty seven.

542
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Speaker 2: I've never heard of this, neither of I. Elizabeth made

543
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 2: her debut on this show, but the father daughter relationship

544
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: was a tense one. She struggled to escape his shadow,

545
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,479
Speaker 2: and he didn't make that easier by being a critic

546
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Speaker 2: of everything in her life. He didn't want her to

547
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 2: follow in his footsteps and become an actress, and then

548
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: he became deeply jealous of her when her fame eclipsed

549
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: his own. Friends would say that Elizabeth presented her father

550
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: but also desperately tried to please him on some level,

551
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: and that push pool tied her in knots it's a

552
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: good metaphor, too many metaphors. No, No, it's good. Push

553
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: and pull in yeah, push pull, you make a not yeah.

554
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: Elizabeth asked Robert if he would provide narration for the

555
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: pilot episode of Bewitched, and he refused. She then asked

556
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: him if he'd play her father in the series, and

557
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: he also refused. That Later in her career, when she

558
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: appeared in the TV movie The Legend of Lizzie Borden, which,

559
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: for those of you not in the Know is about

560
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: the woman who famously took an axe and gave her

561
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: parents forty wax. Robert Montgomery took that as a personal affront.

562
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: He reportedly told her, you would star in that. Uh.

563
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: He criticized her posture, her gait, and her affection for

564
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: finding familial dynamics. In other dimensions of that she liked

565
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: older men. He would openly accuse her of trying to

566
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: replace him with the relationships that she had with older

567
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 2: men in her life. That's weird.

568
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: It's an inside thought, yeah yeah, Or it's like something

569
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Speaker 1: you like grouse about with mother, but not.

570
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: You know, all those fifties weirdos called their wives mother.

571
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: John Lennon called Yoka mother.

572
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: But that was for entirely different weird reason, much more

573
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Speaker 1: on settling reason.

574
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Speaker 2: Uh, moving on, moving on, moving on. He had been

575
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: buried twice before Asher, who was twelve years or senior,

576
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: and she seemed to be drawn to bad boys in

577
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: the parlance of the times, or what we today would

578
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 2: call dirtbacks, charitably men struggling with substance abuse issues and

579
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: their mental health. Her second husband was the incredibly named

580
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: Gig Young, an actor who famously struggled with alcoholism for

581
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: many years. Actually was the original choice for the Waco Kid,

582
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: the Gene Wilder character in Blazing Saddles, but he collapsed

583
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: while shooting his first scene because he was brying out.

584
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Speaker 2: That's awful.

585
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Speaker 1: I think he was like literally like turning green because

586
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Speaker 1: his inside were just so destroyed. And mel Brooks had

587
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Speaker 1: the recast like over the Weekend.

588
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: Young died in October of nineteen seventy eight after shooting

589
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Speaker 2: his wife of three weeks before turning the gun onto himself.

590
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: That is a fast turnaround time. There was no note

591
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: found and a motive was never determined and a fun

592
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: Now we're just pulling in every single one of your connections.

593
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jordan, bring this in. Take me, take us

594
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: home to the Beach Boys.

595
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: Yes, Gig Young was being treated by the therapist Eugene Landy,

596
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: the ethically dubious, unscrupulous therapist who brainwashed Brian Wilson, kidnapped

597
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: him from his family, and tried to sign himself on

598
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: to various Beach Boys contracts before he lost his license

599
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: in a flurry of lawsuits. Let's job, Jean. That worked

600
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: out real great for gig Young. Some excellent therapy.

601
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Speaker 2: Yeah, good Lord, So you know, naturally men were drawn

602
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: to Elizabeth Montgomery being just a charming A charming lady

603
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: with improbable bone structure, my new favorite turn affairs. She

604
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: was rumored to have had an affair with Gary Cooper

605
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: on the movie The Court Martial of Billy Mitchell, also

606
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: famous for his line in Putting on the Ritz. Oh yeah,

607
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: Dean Martin was smitten with her when they filmed Who's

608
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: been Sleeping in My Bed? Answer? Well, I mean I

609
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: would give it to Dino. He could. He could have

610
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: pulled that out on a man. Was charm personified in

611
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: the fifties. Oh, Elvis Presley made overtures to her when

612
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: he and Gig Young were co starring in Kid Galahad.

613
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: But Montgomery's anti Greek prejudice, I have to assume would

614
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: have played a role in shooting him down. Gig Young

615
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: got upset. I cannot believe that's that guy's name. What

616
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: is it short for gigathin Giggless Gigathy Gary.

617
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: It's not, it's just a it's a totally separate stage name.

618
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: His name is Byron Byron bar which is also a great.

619
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Speaker 2: Name, and he went with gig Young. Yep, huh, Gig Young. Anyway,

620
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: Gig got upset when he saw Elvis flirting with her

621
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: on the set, and Presley called him an apple, and

622
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: he was not wrong. Many years later, in a positively

623
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 2: Sex in the City esque twist, Elizabeth Montgomery was connected

624
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: with ballet star Alexander Godeneuve, who later became a successful

625
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: actor with films like Witness and Die Hard. He was

626
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: a severe alcoholic, and his split from Montgomery sent him

627
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: in a downward spile that essentially resulted in him drinking

628
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 2: himself to death.

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Speaker 1: His body was found on the same day that Elizabeth

630
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: Montgomery died, but he'd been dead for days.

631
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Speaker 2: You said that, like it was days days. He said that,

632
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 2: like it was supposed to be like conciliatory. Note.

633
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Speaker 1: Oh no, it wasn't like for days. It wasn't like

634
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: we found out about her death. And I was like, oh, oh, okay,

635
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

636
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Speaker 2: Yeah. We'd also like to give an honorable mention to

637
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: the second role that Montgomery not so secretly played on

638
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: the show in season three, the twin Cousin, a trope

639
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: so expertly weaponized later on in Twin Peaks, in which

640
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: Cheryl Lee playing both Laura Palmer and her identical cousin,

641
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: except for when she's wearing glasses Maddie. The wild and

642
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: crazy character of Serena was basically created to give Montgomery

643
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: more to do after playing the perpetually perky, buttoned up Samantha.

644
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: She loved putting on a dark wig and a go

645
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: go dress and being slightly edgy on set to keep

646
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: up with the illusion. As one such measure of this edgy,

647
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: she asked that the character be credited to the false

648
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: stage name of Pandora Spocks. Get it is that Greek spos?

649
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 2: Is that a Greek name? A. Despite being this obvious pun,

650
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: many presumably horny men sent fan letters, possibly from prison,

651
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: to miss Spocks. Even the crew people were just dumber

652
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: in the fifties. Even the crew were fooled by this

653
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: flimsy illusion. A producer on set started hitting on her,

654
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: not realizing that it was Elizabeth Montgomery, the wife of

655
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: the director, merely clad in a wig. Ah, here's a

656
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: fun and creepy bit. Ashure would allude to sometimes taking

657
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Montgomery, in costume as Serena Spocks to a cheap

658
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: motel after shooting for the day. That's fine, consenting it

659
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: whatever consenting adults want to do in the privacy of

660
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: a CD hotel is AOK by me. And the last

661
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: thing would drop about cousin Serena is that her character's

662
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: makeup was supposedly the inspiration for Tim Curry's look as

663
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: Doctor frank Enferd in The Rocky Horror Picture Show. Is

664
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: that great? I love all that?

665
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now we have to move on to the male

666
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: lead of the show, Darren Stevens, the hapless mortal who's

667
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: Samantha throws it all away for or Mary's Way. There

668
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: was a persistent rumor that producers originally wanted Dick Sargent,

669
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 1: the man who would go on to be the replacement

670
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: Darren a few years later, but he was cast in

671
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: another project during the audition process. That's not quite accurate.

672
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: He was the top choice much earlier, when Tammy Grimes

673
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: was being considered for the part of Samantha, before Asher

674
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: and Elizabeth Montgomery got involved. Funnily enough, instead of doing Bewitched,

675
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: Sergent was cast in a short lived sitcom alongside Tammy Grimes,

676
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: where he played her twin brother, So Many Twins and

677
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: Dick's and stuff Is that weird? Molly Browns not for

678
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: My Friday. Richard Krena was the next actor off of

679
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: the part of Darren. But hell yeah, he was just

680
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: spent several years on the real McCoy's and he wanted

681
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: to try something else rather than a sitcom, so we

682
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: passed as well.

683
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: What else Richard Crowna Do I just know him from

684
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: uh he's Rambo's handler.

685
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

686
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 2: He's that great speech about how boned they are because

687
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 2: they pissed off John Rambo. Yeah, this man, he says

688
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: eight things that would make a goat sick something something

689
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: like that.

690
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: But that's just a whole other twist to Darren Stevens

691
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: on Bewitched.

692
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: Could have been virtud Yeah, I like that. I like that.

693
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: But Bill Asher and Elizabeth Montgomery always wanted Dick York

694
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: as Darren now took Curek had an impressive list of

695
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: acting credits and film, Broadway and on TV. He began

696
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: his acting career as a child, performing in radio shows

697
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: in Chicago, where his family moved when he was very young.

698
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: One of his radio roles was Jack Armstrong, the All

699
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: American Boy, which was the kind of role you could

700
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: have had in the thirties.

701
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: What kind of a show is that? Was it?

702
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: When I was like, like I found a nickel on

703
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: the ground and I gave it to somebody. He was

704
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: a depression. He was finally like I'm eating an apple

705
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: and you all can listen.

706
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: Is that from the plucky orphan genre? Like the famous

707
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: Annie orphan Annie? Yeah? Well I yes, famous amos orphan Annie? Yeah?

708
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: Except he also was Jack Armstrong also an orphan? I

709
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: old please.

710
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: It was the thirties, probably like one in two people

711
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: fifty one that show went off the air. This was

712
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: the radio version, so it was probably earlier, earlier, Noah.

713
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: It was carried by CBS, NBC and then finally ABC

714
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: All Radio. It was a creation of General Mills, okay,

715
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: intended to promote wheaties.

716
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: What was the plot? Jack Armstrong, the All American Boy?

717
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: What what I mean? Singing about wheaties? Literally first apparently

718
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: and I'm just this is going off wikipedia. I haven't

719
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: fact fact chestice, but the first commercial jingle on the

720
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: radio was for wheaties in nineteen twenty six, and that

721
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: was great fact on the Jack Armstrong Show, Have you

722
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: tried wheaties? Their whole wheat with all of the brand.

723
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 2: Won't you try wheaties, for wheat is the best food

724
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: of man. Wow, that's curiously byronic, speaking of poetry, which

725
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: is the best food of man? Yeah right. They're crispy

726
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: and crunchy the whole year through. Jack Armstrong never tires

727
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: of them, and neither will you. So just buy wheaties

728
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: the best breakfast food in the land. That's a I

729
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: like the last tuo. Just buy them. It sounds like

730
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: something Christopher walk of, So just just buy buy them.

731
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: It's your problem, five wheaties.

732
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: Who was it? I think it was Kevin Pollock had

733
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: a bit where hecause he a he famously does a

734
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: really really dead on Christopher Walking impression.

735
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: Is goes for walking selling skills. It's not entertaining that

736
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: this is even more interesting. The guy who created Jack

737
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 2: Armstrong also created Betty Crocker. Oh that's wild.

738
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about that like the character or like actually

739
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: founded the brand. Uh.

740
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: Samuel Chester Gaale, vice president of advertising at General Mills,

741
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm still unable to find anything that this guy actually

742
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: with the show. Actually yeah, oh wait, he's a popular

743
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: athlete friends his friends. That's good. He's a family so

744
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: he wasn't frequently Uncle Jim, an industrialist would have to

745
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: visit an exotic part of the world for business, and

746
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: he would take Jack Armstrong and his friends, the Fairfield

747
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: siblings along with him. They were just like travelogs. I

748
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: guess really. Oh and then in the final season the

749
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: program was renamed Armstrong of the SBI when Jack graduated

750
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: from high school and became a fed the SBI. Yeah,

751
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: I assume that's because they were uncomfortable saying FBI or something.

752
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, the kid literally graduated high school and became

753
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: a fed. Well that's sickening. Oh and this goes, dude,

754
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 2: this goes all the way down. A Jack Armstrong animated

755
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: TV pilot was developed by Hanna Barbera, and then negotiations

756
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: fell through and the plan series was reworked into what

757
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: would become Johnny Quest. Whoa, oh that makes a lot

758
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: of sense.

759
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's wild, far out man. That was one

760
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: of our better conversational detours. That was very good.

761
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 2: I did not know Jack Armstrong, the all American boy,

762
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 2: would would prove so fertile.

763
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: No no, no, but yeah, that was Dick York's earliest roles.

764
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: Fertile and breedable submissive. Sorry what that.

765
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: Was one of Dick York's earliest roles his upbringing was Dickensian.

766
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 1: You're about to get real bummed out now. I highly

767
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: advise you to fast forward about a minute. Otherwise, gimme

768
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: you know if you're suffering from seasonal effective disorder in

769
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: these days, I'd like to quote from a nineteen eighty

770
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: nine People magazine piece, Homelessness and poverty are more than

771
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: abstractions to Dick York, who believes the seed of his

772
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: acting career were sown during his Depression era childhood in Chicago.

773
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: You had to be an actor growing up then, he says,

774
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: he didn't want your parents to know that you knew

775
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: your toys were secondhand. His parents, Bernard, a sometimes salesman,

776
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: and Betty, a seamstress, acted too, telling him they'd eaten

777
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: when York knew they hadn't. As a boy, York saw

778
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: his father struggle with other men for food discarded in

779
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: a garbage can when they didn't have rent, which was

780
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: often someone had to stay inside the family apartment at

781
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: all times to prevent the landlord from.

782
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: Walking everybody else out.

783
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: When he was eleven, an infant brother died, but the

784
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: family couldn't afford to bury him. So York and his

785
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: father slipped into a graveyard at night and laid the

786
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: youngster to rest in a coffin and craft it from

787
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: a shoebox.

788
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: Oh that's a new low for us, dude, that's yeah. Yeah,

789
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 2: eleven year old burying an infant at night in a

790
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: shoe box.

791
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: M yeah, yeah, his whole story. It gets worse and

792
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: then it gets slightly better, and then it gets worse again.

793
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

794
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Dick York's talent, which was initially spotted by a porochial

795
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: school none, ultimately got him out and led him to Broadway.

796
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: He was in a play called Tea and Sympathy alongside

797
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: the actress Debora Kerr, and he was so good that

798
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: Paul Newman once boarded his subway car and approached York

799
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: to say, I'm not going this direction, but I just

800
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: wanted to tell you how great you were and Tea

801
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: and Sympathy, which I love. Dick York spotted Elizabeth Montgomery

802
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: in the hall the day he showed up to audition

803
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: to play Darren, and he reminded him of his own wife, Joey.

804
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: As he later said, I walked into the office more

805
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: confident than I've ever been in my life, and he

806
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: bluffs his way through the audition by basically pretending mentally

807
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: that they were already married. He got the gig, but

808
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: he was nursing a terrible hidden secret, which we'll get

809
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: too later.

810
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 2: Cliffhanger, Done, done, done. I can't get over that. Never

811
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: saying a bad word about that man again. That is well, okay, sorry,

812
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: I take that back, but that is maybe a new

813
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: low for this show. Yeah, no, it's rough.

814
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Dick York had another less hidden secret. Unfortunately,

815
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: the whole pretending they were married thing got a little

816
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: too real during the production of the show, and York

817
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: supposedly developed feelings for Montgomery and made them fairly obvious.

818
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: It's worth noting that he was also on a ton

819
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: of pain killers at the time for reasons that we'll

820
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: mention later, so his inhibitions were lowered.

821
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: There were times when he would just.

822
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: Be lying down on a couch resting while the others

823
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: were filming, staring at Elizabeth Montgomery. This understandably creeped her out.

824
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: She didn't like Dick York that way, and also she

825
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: was married to the show's director producer, who was a

826
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: relatively frequent presence on the set, but his behavior just

827
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: got worse and worse over the years, to the point

828
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: where Elizabeth Montgomery actually complained that she didn't want to

829
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 1: work with him quite as closely, you'll notice that after

830
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: season three, while the plotlines became less romantic comedy centric

831
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: and began to stress the magical fantastical elements more, just

832
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: so that they would have to be.

833
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: In fewer two shots.

834
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 1: Basically, this is a testament to how bad it must

835
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: have gotten with York, because presumably, as a beautiful actress

836
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: coming up in the fifties and early sixties, she heard

837
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: terrible stuff from men on a daily basis, so this

838
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: must have been uniquely terrible.

839
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: Though she was very cordial when speaking about him in

840
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: interviews in later years. I read a.

841
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: Report that she never spoke to Dick York again after

842
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: he left the show in nineteen sixty nine. So yeah,

843
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: but we'll tell you some stories about Dick York later

844
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: that will also make you want a weep. So it

845
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: kind of complicated. Man kind of cancels out, Okay, gross, we'll.

846
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: Save those for later. Yeah, Okay.

847
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Also, while we're on the topic of Samantha and Darren, Stevens'

848
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: sexual relations. They are apparently the first sitcom couple to

849
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: share a bed, with some caveats. The ones who preceded

850
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: them were married in real life Daisy and Lucy and

851
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: I Love Lucy, Ozzy and Harriet Nelson in the Adventures

852
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: of Ozzy and Harriet, and Mary Kay and Johnny Stearns

853
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: in Mary Kay and Johnny, which most people haven't heard of,

854
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: but it's widely hailed as the first sitcom from I

855
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: think it's like nineteen forty seven or something.

856
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: It was super early.

857
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: Other entries are The Flintstones, which are animated and the Monsters.

858
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 2: I think we're a close runner up to be Witched.

859
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: Because it also premiered in nineteen sixty four, the same

860
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: year as Bewitched. But I wouldn't count it because they're

861
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: not a human couple.

862
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 2: They're months. Oh, come off it. I mean Herma's a monster.

863
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: What is Lily a vampire? She's like a vampire?

864
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: Just yeah, yeah, although I got I mean, the Stevens

865
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: aren't a human couple either, because he's a mortal and

866
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: she's a witch, so maybe that shouldn't count either.

867
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: Do we have like a southern guy on hand? We

868
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: can contact about miscegenation. I'm imagining a guy in a

869
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: bow string tie and like a seersucker suit coming on

870
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 2: and be like, now a witch is positively offensive for

871
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: witches to cohabitate with. Man, it's a very good frank

872
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: underword voice. We don't speak his name, he's can't.

873
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break, but we'll be right

874
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: back with more too much information in.

875
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: Just a moment.

876
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,399
Speaker 1: Ohigo, tell us a little bit about the meddling mother

877
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: in law to end all meddling mother in law, sweet indoor. Yeah,

878
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: I still have a hard time believing that this entire

879
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: series wasn't just an elaborate setup to a My mother

880
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: in law is a real witch joke, which is actually

881
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: how they sold its sponsors.

882
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: Incredible. Yeah, and what's your feed? Is your favorite Indora line?

883
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well it was actually spoken to her by

884
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: her strange husband. And Dora, your charm is ageless, so

885
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: sad about the rest of you.

886
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 2: Good stuff. It's a good line. Yeah. She and Dora

887
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 2: is played by the legendary screen actress Agnes moorehead Steady.

888
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: She's a native of Clinton, Massachusetts, the town where young

889
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: Jordan cut his teeth as a Buddying Team trivia host

890
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: under his mentor the great DJJBJ. So do with that

891
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: what you will, listeners.

892
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: I always always love Agnus Morehead. She's a a hometown girl.

893
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that was a little Minnesota. Yeah, like

894
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't do a boss then.

895
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to give you a second. Probably with

896
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: all the blue hairs out in Medved they go for

897
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 2: they go for Agnes. This is my girl.

898
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: A lot of the what's her name who played in

899
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: Harold Maud She's from uh Ruth Gordon.

900
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 2: Ruth Gordon's from Quincy, Massachusetts.

901
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of those like like like I mean

902
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: this affectionately like tough old broads are from Massachusetts.

903
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you almost got it there, you slipped into it.

904
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: I never I never had never You never I never

905
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: had it? Yeah. No. The only the only word I

906
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: could actually say was some degree of authenticity is noth North.

907
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's a good one. Uh Well, Old Morehead

908
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: veteran of Orson Wells famous Mercury players. She appeared in

909
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: Citizen Kane as the mother of the titular character and

910
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: got it four Oscar noombs before Bewitched even came around.

911
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: Also if one for another Wells joint, the Magnificent Amberson's

912
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: and also Hush Ellipses, Hush, Sweet Charlotte, Charlotte. I didn't

913
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: do that intentionally, but it's funnier, it's cleaner. In addition

914
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: to her talent, she was kind of a badass, and

915
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: like Dick York overcame a horrifying upbringing. Morehead would later

916
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: recall going four days without food at one point in

917
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: her early acting career and that it had taught her

918
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: the value of a dollar. All this being said, though,

919
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: it does make a certain amount of sense that she

920
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been exactly thrilled to be a mother in

921
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 2: law in a sitcom, and she got the role totally

922
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: by chance. The producer was struggling to come up with

923
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: an actress who had the right combination of gravitas and

924
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: playfulness to play the role of the mother in law

925
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: who terrorizes her daughter's husband. Elizabeth Montgomery was strolling through

926
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: Bloomingdale's one day in New York City and she heard

927
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 2: that voice dune meme with the mom saying use the voice,

928
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 2: and it's Agnes Morehead's voice. She followed it through the

929
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 2: store until she was confronted by the site of Morehead

930
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: herself with a high quaffed orange Bouffont style hairdoo wrapped

931
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: in pink tool. Montgomery recalled that Morehead looked like this

932
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: oversized being of cotton candy. I love that. She approached

933
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: her on the spot, and according to an interview, their

934
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: exchange went like this, Ms Morehead, would you be interested

935
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 2: in doing a series? No? No, well, I don't know why.

936
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: Once Morehead warmed to the idea, Montgomery went straight to

937
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: the producers and exclaimed, I found mother tremendousness has just

938
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 2: done dead pan in knocks on the door, knocks on

939
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 2: the door, eyes completely blank and completely stoic. I found

940
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: Mother Norman Bates Morehead. Heads. Yeah. Moorehead had some serious

941
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 2: terms that were part of her conditions for joining Bewitched.

942
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 2: She was deeply religious and had serious problems with portraying

943
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: a witch. Hilariously, and Dora gets its name from a

944
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 2: biblical passage supposedly at her request and or recommendation. In

945
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: the first Book of Samuel, there's a story about Saul

946
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: consulting the Witch of Endor to use her powers to

947
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: connect him with the deceased Samuel. Samuel becomes Samantha and

948
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 2: Endoor became Indora. Fine. I guess that's where Steven Spielberg

949
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 2: got it too, or George Lucas got Endored the Moons

950
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: of Endor. Oh really? Oh wow? Maybe I don't know

951
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: who cares. I didn't read that part of the Bible,

952
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 2: skimmed it, got the cliff notes. I don't watch that

953
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 2: part of Star Wars. Morehead's concerns were all so practical.

954
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 2: She accepted the role in the condition that she only

955
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: had to appear in eight out of every twelve episodes,

956
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: which would leave her time to pursue other projects. It's

957
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 2: a story that's similar to that of Natalie Shaeffer, who

958
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: took the part of Missus Howell and Jordan's beloved Gilligan's Island,

959
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: thinking that the show pilot would never go to series,

960
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 2: and then bursting into tears when it did. Morehead, for

961
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: her part, did not expect Bewitch to be a hit,

962
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: even going so far as to dismiss the scripts as

963
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: hack in a nineteen sixty five interview with TV Guide

964
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: at a time when it's worth noting be Witch was

965
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 2: basically the biggest sitcom on television. She would later say

966
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 2: elsewhere that the show was not breathtaking. She's just a

967
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: tremendous bit of passive aggression. I'm banking that. Despite the

968
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: six Emmy gnoms she earned for her work on the show,

969
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: Morehead was always quick to note that she used to

970
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: earn nods for a little something called the Oscars. As

971
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: she told the New York Daily News in nineteen sixty five,

972
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 2: I've been in movies and played theater from coast to coast,

973
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: so I was quite well known before Bewitched, and I

974
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: don't particularly want to be identified as the witch. Even so,

975
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: she remained with Bewitched until its run ended in nineteen

976
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 2: seventy two, largely due to her fondness of working with

977
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Montgomery and the og Darren Dick York. She would have,

978
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: as we will get to, a tougher relationship with New

979
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: Dick Sergeant Deputy to Darin, who would go on to

980
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: describe her Morehead as a tough old bird.

981
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: Moorhead died of cancer on April thirtieth, nineteen seventy four,

982
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: at the age of seventy three. She was outlived by

983
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: her mother, who was one hundred and six. Oh, higel

984
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: you'll here, this will interest you. Morehead was one of

985
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: the many people who developed cancer while war working on

986
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifty six John Wayne movie The Conqueror, which

987
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: was shot in Iron City, Utah, just downwind from above

988
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: ground atomic bomb testing. These are truly horrifying stats. Of

989
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: the two hundred and twenty cast and crew, ninety one

990
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: of them developed some form of cancer within the next

991
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: twenty five years, and forty six of them would die

992
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: of the disease, So a little less than a quarter

993
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: of the cast died from cancer that's believed to be

994
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: triggered by the above ground radiation. Tho included John Wayne himself,

995
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: Susan Haywood, and the film's director, Dick Powell. Actors on

996
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: the set to Bewitched recall hearing Morehead discussing her concern

997
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: about the radioactive fallout, which is horrifying. It even bugged

998
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: her years later that she'd.

999
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 2: Been exposed to that that's so sad.

1000
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't know where else to put this, and it's

1001
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: sort of not even worth really going into other than

1002
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: it serves as a transition to talk about another Bewitch performer.

1003
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 1: But the years, there have been rumors that Agnes Moorehead

1004
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: was gay. And supposedly had an affair with Debbie Reynolds.

1005
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: Heh yeah, good for her.

1006
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm ninety percent sure that this was one of the

1007
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: so called revelations in the gossipy memoir that reynolds ex

1008
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: husband Eddie Fisher, published in nineteen ninety nine.

1009
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 2: Woh, he was such a bitch.

1010
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, a book that was so trashy that it caused

1011
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: their daughter, Carrie Fisher. Yes, that Carrie Fisher to quip

1012
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to have my DNA fumigated after that, an

1013
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: incredible line.

1014
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: That's why she was a punch up writer. Yep.

1015
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: Reynolds herself dismissed these lesbian rumors as malicious tales put

1016
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: around by one of Agnes Moorehead's ex husbands during their divorce,

1017
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: but Moore had herself tease these stories during her lifetime.

1018
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: In a nineteen seventy three interview, journalist Bose Hadley gave

1019
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 1: her the opportunity to confirm or deny these rumors, and

1020
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: Moorehead decided to play coy. The exchange went like this,

1021
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: just one more question. Numerous Hollywood actresses, Garbo Gish, Dietrich Gene,

1022
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: author Kay Francis, Barbara Stanwick, Duluah Bankhead, del Rio, Janet Gainer,

1023
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Have enjoyed lesbian or by relationships?

1024
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:04,959
Speaker 2: Have you ever?

1025
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: And Moreheads quoted as saying, yes, you'd love to put

1026
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: me in their excellent company, even if I don't belong

1027
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: in the same category. Brackets smiles, Riley, you don't. Those ladies,

1028
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: she says, were more beautiful than me.

1029
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: Hmmm, cooy of her. That's great, that's great.

1030
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: A big source of these rumors was Uncle Arthur himself,

1031
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: Paul Lynde, who was also a bitch yes, semi closeted

1032
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 1: in his lifetime. Lynde, who lives Morehead by almost a decade,

1033
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: was pretty unambiguous in interviews, offering this all time sound bite.

1034
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,919
Speaker 2: If I wasn't so sick, I could do a Paul

1035
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 2: lynd voice, But I well, the whole world.

1036
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 1: No z Agnes was a lesbian, I mean, classy as hell,

1037
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: but at all time.

1038
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: But one of them.

1039
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: I can't see this, but one of the all time

1040
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: Hollywood doe.

1041
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: Can I say? I'd have to bleep that, yeah, probably okay.

1042
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: Lynde also told a story in which she supposedly caught

1043
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: one of her husband's cheating on her. Agnes screamed at

1044
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: him that if he could have a mistress, so could she.

1045
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: Oh Paul Land a messy, messy, messy man. Oh Pauland

1046
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: I love Pauland this is the perfect segue to talk

1047
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: about one of my favorite performers of all time, Templeton. Templeton,

1048
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: Yes before Me, which he was famous as Harry McAfee,

1049
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: the Dad and Bye Bye Birdie. No, he's a rat

1050
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: guy and the center square on Hollywood Squares.

1051
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 2: No, he's a rat guy.

1052
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he will be the rat guy in the Charlotte's Web.

1053
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: An made an adaptation Humbaull.

1054
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 2: That was good. I used.

1055
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 1: There are periods of my life, but I would speak

1056
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: in Pauland's voice for extended stretches.

1057
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 2: I missed those days.

1058
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: He's probably famous to most non millennials for his role

1059
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 1: in the daytime staple Hollywood Squares, which began in nineteen

1060
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: sixty six.

1061
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 2: I forgot it started that early and.

1062
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: Gave birth to some truly incredible one liners delivered in

1063
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: Lyn's distinctive nasal snarl.

1064
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 2: Can I share a few of them? Right now? Hit us?

1065
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: Lightning around? Do you want to be? Can you do

1066
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: a land? Nor do you want to ask.

1067
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, because under the setup for those who haven't actually

1068
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: watched Hollywood Squares, the host Peter Marshall would ask Paul

1069
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: a question and he would.

1070
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: Answer to ask me some of these questions. Why do

1071
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: motorcyclists wear leather because chiffon wrinkles? Medium phony, You're the

1072
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: world's most popular fruit. What are you humbo? That's good?

1073
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: The Great Whiter George Bernard Shaw once wrote, It's such

1074
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: a wonderful thing. What a crime to waste it on children?

1075
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: What is that?

1076
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: A whipping?

1077
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: Got me for a daytime TV in like nineteen seventy.

1078
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: The Great White is one of the most feared animals, Paul,

1079
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: what is the Great White?

1080
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: This is amazing. A sheriff in Alabama.

1081
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: In Alice in Wonderland who kept crying I'm late, I'm late, Alice,

1082
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: and her mother is sick about it. Diamond should not

1083
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: be kept with your family. Jewels, why they're so cold?

1084
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: So half of this is like borsch belt garbage. I'm sorry.

1085
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: The tin man wanted a heart and the lion want encourage.

1086
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: What did the straw man want? He wanted the tin

1087
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: man to notice him. That's good. Yeah, in what state

1088
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: was Abraham Lincolnborn.

1089
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: This is great, like the rest of us, naked and screaming, Yeah,

1090
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: that's funny.

1091
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 2: What's one thing you should never do in bed? Pine

1092
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: and laugh? Eddie Fisher recently said I am sorry. I

1093
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: am sorry for them both. Who was he referring to

1094
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: his fans? That's solid. According to Tony Randall, every woman

1095
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: I've been intimate with in my life has been what

1096
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: bitterly disappointed.

1097
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: I need though I wish i'd worked. There's a time

1098
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: I could do a really good ball in that I

1099
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,440
Speaker 1: can't do it right now. I'm sad. I'm whiffing it

1100
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: all right. I was devastated to discover years later that

1101
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: all these lines were written for Paul by a staff

1102
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: of writers. I just thought for years that he came

1103
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: up with it on the spot, but no one could

1104
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: deliver them like he could. Mel Brooks wants to describe

1105
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: Paul In as being capable of getting laughs by reading

1106
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: quote a phone book, Tornado alert or seed catalog, and

1107
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: I'd like the second fat although it's kind of a

1108
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: love him or hate him scenario. Paul himself told a

1109
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: story on Carson about a man coming up to him

1110
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: and saying it's you stay right there. I have to

1111
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: get my wife.

1112
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: She can't stand you. That's good, Yeah, that's pretty good.

1113
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: Incidentally, it's believed that he borrowed his distinctive nasal delivery

1114
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: from another Bewitched bit player, Alice Ghostly, who played Esmeralda

1115
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: the hapless Witch Made Made Witch Witch Made. Yeah, it

1116
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: makes sense considering both of them cut their teeth in

1117
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: a review called New Faces of nineteen fifty two, which

1118
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: launched both of their careers, as well as that of

1119
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 1: Earth A Kit Ah Earth a Kit Alice Ghostly and

1120
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 1: Paul lynd on stage together.

1121
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: That sounds devastating, Yeah for all parties involved. Yeah yeah.

1122
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: Speaking of legendary friends from his pre famed days, pauland

1123
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: once shared an apartment building with Marlon Brando when they

1124
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: were both young and hungry and in Marlin's case, very hungry.

1125
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: The building had communal kitchens.

1126
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: And very hung.

1127
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: The building had communal kitchens, and Lynde claimed that Brando

1128
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: would steal his food from the fridge all the time.

1129
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: It's a testament to his talent that Paul Land made

1130
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: such an impression and Bewitched those people assumed that he

1131
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: was a series regular. But Uncle Arthur was only in

1132
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: ten of the show's two hundred and fifty four episodes.

1133
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: He also appeared in a pre Uncle Arthur role as

1134
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: Samantha's nervous driving teacher, and he was so well received

1135
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: that Montgomery and Asher decided to write him a recurring role.

1136
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: Lynd had a complicated relationship to his talents, though he

1137
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: wanted to be recognized as a serious actor. He said,

1138
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: we live in a world that needs laughter. Now I've

1139
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,439
Speaker 1: decided that if I can make people laugh, I'm making

1140
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: a more important contribution. His time on Hollywood Squares made

1141
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 1: him rich enough to buy Errol Flynn's old Hollywood mansion,

1142
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: but Lynde himself was a deeply troubled man.

1143
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: Tell him why. In addition to not living up to

1144
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: his own expectations as an actor, Paul had to contend

1145
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: with being a gay man in Hollywood, which meant being

1146
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: grading on the Paul Lynde to Curve closeted. He explained

1147
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 2: his status as a lifelong bachelor by claiming that his

1148
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: high school sweetheart had broken his heart and he was

1149
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,160
Speaker 2: still too hurt to give other women a chance. In

1150
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six, People magazine profile described a man named

1151
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: stan Fine Smith as Linden sounds like one of those

1152
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 2: made up anchor names and anchorman Wes Mantooth Stan Fine

1153
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: Smith described a man named Stan fin Smith as Lynde's hairstylist,

1154
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 2: sweet mate and chauffeur bodyguard. Those barely veiled euphemisms were

1155
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: about as close as Linde ever came to coming out

1156
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: in his lifetime. Despite his campy and flamboyant television persona,

1157
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 2: Lynn's prime life and sexual orientation were never directly or

1158
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 2: acknowledged or discussed in the media. Later in his life,

1159
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 2: he was offered gay roles, but he always refused them.

1160
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 2: He said in the aforementioned People cover story that he

1161
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 2: was glad his following was quote straight before declaring, gay

1162
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: people killed Judy Garland, but they're not going to kill me. True.

1163
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: What do you mean true? I believe it. I'll believe anything.

1164
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm a very credulous person. In private, though he reportedly

1165
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 2: criticized famed anti gay activist Anita Bryant, saying she attacked

1166
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 2: my people. Lynd was also haunted by a tragedy that

1167
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: occurred on July eighteenth, nineteen sixty five, when a young

1168
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,479
Speaker 2: actor named James being, Davidson fell from the eighth floor

1169
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: balcony of Lynde's room at San Francisco's Sir Francis Drake Hotel.

1170
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: The incident was reportedly result of horsing around after the

1171
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: pair had spent hours drinking. Davidson supposedly said, watch me

1172
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: do a trick like a toddler would. The next thing,

1173
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 2: Lynde realized he was dangling by his fingertips from a

1174
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 2: tiny ledge outside the window. At first, Linden thought this

1175
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: was a prank and assumed the guy was actually standing

1176
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: on a ledge lower down, but he was actually faced

1177
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 2: and hanging on by his fingertips, much like Harrison Ford

1178
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 2: in one of the most iconic composite shots in film history,

1179
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: as deckred at the end of Blade Runner, Tears and

1180
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 2: Rain and so forth. Unfortunately, Bing had a zero point

1181
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: two four bac could not hoist himself back in and

1182
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: hung there for two minutes, eighty feet above the street.

1183
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 2: Lynd grabbed his arms and tried to haul him back inside,

1184
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 2: but failed, and Davidson fell eight stories onto the street

1185
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 2: below and died instantly, too soon following the tragic death

1186
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: of Liam Payne. I didn't do it. It was that devil,

1187
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: alcohol and cocaine and fame, et cetera, tears and rain.

1188
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 2: I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. It's so funny

1189
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: how all that tears in ren speech is just like

1190
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: this could have easily been like a fully gay queer

1191
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 2: like queen speech, like something creed to the Desert or

1192
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: something yeah yeah, imagining like Guy Pierce in like full

1193
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 2: drag makeup, delivering delivering that line at the end of Priscilla.

1194
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: This accident was actually a witness, not Liam Payne or

1195
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: Guy Pierce in drag. Was witnessed by two police officers

1196
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: standing outside who did clear lind of wrongdoing. The whispers

1197
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: about the incident dogged him for years, basically insinuating that

1198
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 2: he had something to do with it, and he was

1199
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: haunted by the memory for the rest of his life,

1200
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 2: supposedly saying that's the end of my career shortly after

1201
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: it happened. If that wasn't the only reason for his

1202
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 2: burgeoning alcoholism, it deserved to be. But Lynde was a

1203
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: famously mean drunk who could decimate his friends verbally when

1204
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 2: the mood took him, and it also landed him in

1205
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: numerous scrapes with the law. One famous, possibly apocryphal story

1206
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: claims that he led cops and a drunken high speed

1207
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 2: chase through the valley one night before crashing into a male.

1208
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: When the police came to the car with their guns drawn,

1209
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: he supposedly lowered his window and said, I'll have a cheeseburger,

1210
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: hold the onions and a large sprite.

1211
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: I'll have a cheeseburger, hauled the onions and a lot spry.

1212
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 2: This was incorporated into the script for a Groundhog Day.

1213
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 2: As those of you who remember that episode will remember,

1214
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: he got sober shortly before his fatal heart attack on

1215
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: January tenth, nineteen eighty two, at the age of fifty five,

1216
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 2: and doctor said that his heart resembled that of a

1217
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: ninety year old man. He simply loved too hard.

1218
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: Well, that story was a bummer, and you know what,

1219
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: go on, here's another one. Let's talk about the sad

1220
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: story of Gladys Kravits.

1221
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 2: It sounds like one of those like anthologies. Is the

1222
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 2: mysterious case of Gladys Kravitz.

1223
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: Well, she was the nosy next door neighbor, and apparently

1224
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: the term Gladys Kravitz, you know, entered the popular lexicon.

1225
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: Like as like a devastating put down.

1226
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, you're acting a real Gladys Kravit.

1227
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: So I don't really remember hearing that. Are you just

1228
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 2: locked into the pol invoice now for like the rest

1229
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: of your life, like you can't shake it? Like Austin

1230
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 2: Butler and Elvis was that Paul In, I didn't hear

1231
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: that you're really Gladys If you're real Gladys Kravitz.

1232
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: Oh, that's an old time radio voice, but.

1233
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: Also like it sort of dovetails into the Hannibal lecter

1234
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 2: at some point. It's all in this continuous like yeah, raspy,

1235
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,920
Speaker 2: sassy seois.

1236
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: That's because I'm sick too, as a different level of.

1237
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I wasn't criticizing you. I was. I was saying

1238
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 2: that was a hopeful thing, and I hope you're locked

1239
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 2: into the Paul invoice for the rest of your life.

1240
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, now I really want to like, I'm really

1241
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: sad because I could do it. I'm sure my father

1242
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: is very proud listening to this right now. I could

1243
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: do it pretty well, but I'm kind of I'm kind

1244
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:40,919
Speaker 1: of blowing it here.

1245
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: I think you're doing a great job. Oh, thank thank you.

1246
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: Thank you Chief.

1247
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: The whole gag with Gladys Kravitz was that she was

1248
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: this nosy neighbor who would see the various magical supernatural

1249
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: goings on in the Stevens house, but everyone just thought

1250
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: she was nuts. Her husband, Abder Kravitz, assumed she quote

1251
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: hadn't taken her medicine fun aside. The role of Abner

1252
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: Kravitz was originally offered to Jim Backus, the voice of

1253
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: Mister Magoo, who turned it down because he was already

1254
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: working on Gilligan's Island as Thurston Howl, the Third That

1255
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: man would have owned network sitcoms in the sixties.

1256
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if you'd been on both?

1257
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: Everyone's favorite busy body, Gladys was played by the comedic

1258
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: actress Alice Pierce. She was a character actress with a

1259
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: distinctive chin I guess called a weak chin. I hate

1260
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: the use that term, but that's the description I always see.

1261
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 1: It was the result of a childhood injury where she

1262
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 1: fell from a playground swing and landed on her chin

1263
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: and her jawn never developed. It was just god horrifying,

1264
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: but she made it work. She turned herself into a

1265
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: very popular character actress that was not the worst thing

1266
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 1: to happen to poor Alex Pears as far as her

1267
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: health was concerned. Four months before getting cast on Bewitched,

1268
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: she was given a terminal cancer diagnosis. She told none

1269
01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: of her coworkers of the condition, and other than being

1270
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: a little tired on the set every now and then,

1271
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: no one suspected her of being ill. She died in

1272
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,400
Speaker 1: March nineteen sixty six, just as the show was wrapping

1273
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: its second season, and was awarded a posthumous Outstanding Supporting

1274
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: Actress Emmy.

1275
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 2: Award two months later. This is nice.

1276
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: Though William Asher gave her widower a gig on the

1277
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: show directing, he basically put his career on hold to

1278
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: take care of her, so it was both a nice

1279
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: distraction and a way to get his career moving again,

1280
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: which I think is nice. Sandra Gould later took over

1281
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: the role of Gladys Kravitz for the remainder of the series.

1282
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 2: And this is just one of three roles.

1283
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: That were unceremoniously recast midstream un Bewitched. In addition to

1284
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: Gladys Kravitz and of course Darren Stevens, which we talk

1285
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: about later, there was also the wife of Darren's boss,

1286
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: mister Tate.

1287
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: Her name was Louise Tate.

1288
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: She was initially played by Irene Vernon until the second

1289
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: season wrapped in nineteen sixty six, when writer Danny Arnold

1290
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: left the show. During this period under less than friendly circumstances, apparently,

1291
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Montgomery William Asher pressured Irene Vernon the follow suit

1292
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:03,480
Speaker 1: due to their friendship Cold World these mid sixties sitcoms.

1293
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: The role of Louise Tate was later taken over by

1294
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: Casey Rogers, who was apparently named after the Casey at

1295
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: Bat poem.

1296
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: What oh you know not Casey Jones A Casey at

1297
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 2: the bat? Excuse me? You know Casey at the bat?

1298
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: Do I don't put words in my mouth, don't put

1299
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 2: things in my head. Yeah.

1300
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: It's about like a baseball team from the fictional town

1301
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: of Mudville's losing by two runs in the last inning.

1302
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 1: Both the team and its fans believe they can win.

1303
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: Of Casey Mudville star player gets to bat. Whoever, Casey's

1304
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: scheduled to be the fifth batter of the inning and

1305
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 1: the first two batters failed to get on base. Yeah,

1306
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: it's a poem about baseball.

1307
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: You wouldn't you wouldn't get it, No, I wouldn't.

1308
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: One actress who was not replaced when she died.

1309
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 2: Was Aunt Clara.

1310
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: She was played by actress Marion Lorne, who straight up died.

1311
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty eight. I don't know why I wrote

1312
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: straight up there who died in nineteen sixty eight.

1313
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: Apparently the producers did not deem her role as particularly

1314
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: essential to the show, and thus did not recast her

1315
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: with a rando. This is possibly because the eccentric character

1316
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: was largely based on the actress who played her. Aunt

1317
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 1: Clara's obsession with door knobs was based on maryon Lauren's

1318
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: own real life collection. She'd assembled over a thousand antique

1319
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: door openers.

1320
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: Isn't that great? I love people collect things, okay, sure, yeah,

1321
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 2: I mean yeah we do. But antique to just knobs,

1322
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:35,440
Speaker 2: yeah it's kind of cool. Okay. But bed knobs and broomsticks,

1323
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,680
Speaker 2: you know, you know, she makes her a purpose. Those

1324
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: are different. Those are different.

1325
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: Oh, you're right, different knobs, an idiot, different knobs.

1326
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 2: Get off my show. I feel like a different kind

1327
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 2: of knob right now. Who was waiting for that to

1328
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 2: come up?

1329
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: Much like Alice Pears, Maryon Lauren was given a posthumous.

1330
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 2: Emmy for her role on Bewitched Good.

1331
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: But we talked about Darren's boss, the advertising executive Larry

1332
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: Tait a little while.

1333
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 2: He was played by the character actor David White, and

1334
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 2: he was reportedly very sweet.

1335
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 1: He insisted that Tate's son on the show be named

1336
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: after his own son, Jonathan, who he'd raised as a

1337
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: single father after his wife died due to complications during

1338
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: her second pregnancy. Sad Tragically, Jonathan was a passenger on

1339
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 1: pan Am flight one oh three, which was blown up

1340
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 1: by terras over Lockabye, Scotland on December twenty first, nineteen

1341
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: eighty eight, killing all two hundred and fifty nine on board.

1342
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: Very very famous terrorist attack. I actually don't know who

1343
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: it was. I so rebrogated by Libyan nationalists.

1344
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1345
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: In two thousand and three, Gadaffie accepted Libby's responsibility for

1346
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: the Lockabe bombing and paid compensation for the victims of

1347
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: the families, although he maintained he had never given the

1348
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: order for the attack.

1349
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 2: I don't know I feel about Libya.

1350
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: Uh well, the bad guys in Back to the Future

1351
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: and true in Goadaffi.

1352
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 2: So that's kind of all I need yeah, that's fair.

1353
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: David White essentially ever recovered from the death of his

1354
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,799
Speaker 1: son and died two years later of a heart attack.

1355
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: He's interred with his son's remains in a niche at

1356
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. I've actually visited him. The only

1357
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: marginally funny story, if you could call it that, is

1358
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 1: that Scott Michaels, the proprietor of the former Hollywood Death

1359
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 1: Tour and the host of the Dearly Departed podcast, one

1360
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts. They do a great episode on Bewitched,

1361
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 1: which I listened to in preparation for this, bought his

1362
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: own niche at Hollywood Forever and it happened to be

1363
01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: directly beneath David Whites. The funny part is that Scott

1364
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: was always terrified of this creepy bust that got made

1365
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: on Bewitched as some plot point. I don't know what

1366
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,240
Speaker 1: it is. I forget exactly it was. Magic was involved somehow,

1367
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but it's this really creepy looking bust

1368
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: of Larry Tait. For some reason, David White, the actor

1369
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: played Larry Tate, has included it in his niche, which

1370
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,759
Speaker 1: is like a little cubby hole at the Mausoleum Hollywood Forever.

1371
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,839
Speaker 1: So now Scott Michaels, he's gonna spend eternity directly beneath

1372
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:04,799
Speaker 1: like this monument to his kindred trauma. This like scary

1373
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: bust from Bewitched that like always used to freaking out

1374
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: as a kid.

1375
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 2: That's gonna be like right above him on the shelf,

1376
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 2: above him. Good, that's all. Well. Rehearsals for the which

1377
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,720
Speaker 2: pilot began on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, the

1378
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: day a Bostonian died and forever cultured the world and

1379
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 2: gave us madmen and feminism CCR, CCR, so many other

1380
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:33,879
Speaker 2: things that were so important.

1381
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: I've been told, Uh, wow, American Pie. They really missed

1382
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: the mark on the yeah all line.

1383
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wonder if there's like a local like Southy

1384
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,720
Speaker 2: parodist who can take a crack at that America call

1385
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: it like Bostonian pie or some shit that would suck.

1386
01:13:55,280 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 2: According to biographer Herbie Pallato, the aforma mentioned Bostonian's death

1387
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 2: was especially hard on Elizabeth Montgomery and her husband William Asher,

1388
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 2: who were friends with John F. Kennedy. Asher to even

1389
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: co produced the birthday party at which Marilyn Monroe famous

1390
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 2: hornily saying happy Birthday to JFK. And Sinatra was the

1391
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 2: other co producer. That's gross.

1392
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:22,639
Speaker 1: He was probably less sad by JFK's assassination.

1393
01:14:22,439 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: So they were just trafficking women, right like that was

1394
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 2: just like a we passed the blonde a round situation. Oh,

1395
01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 2: I have to assume Kennedy was a monster. Kennedy was

1396
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: a monster. I'm sorry that whole don't maybe don't get

1397
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 2: me on a rant with the Kennedy's.

1398
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: I actually don't know as much as you probably think

1399
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: I know about JFK's sexual escapades.

1400
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean he probably had what can be

1401
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 2: considered a sex addiction. Yeah, I actually I did hear that.

1402
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 2: I think he said something insane and just that in

1403
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 2: weird situations like making people watch or like just people

1404
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 2: like hanging out just three different people, three different women

1405
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 2: a night, supposedly and you know teens. Oh, you know,

1406
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 2: just gross. But he was handsome and he was the

1407
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 2: first Catholic president, so that's okay.

1408
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that was why his back was so screwed up.

1409
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: It's a pretty pretty genial laugh for a terrible joke.

1410
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: I feel like he's he's probably he was Pillow Princess.

1411
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 1: I feel like he just laid back and made the

1412
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: women do all the work. He gives that, he gives

1413
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: that energy. Actually, Pillow Princess, I've never heard that.

1414
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. You have old detour

1415
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: here about Palm Springs and Gilligan's Island. We're cutting that.

1416
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I mean the weird thing about Gilligan

1417
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 1: Island was that they also were filming the pilot on

1418
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: the day JFK was assassinated, and you can see on

1419
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: shots of the middow pulling out of the harbor, the

1420
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 1: flag is at half mast because you know, in the

1421
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: morning for JFK.

1422
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 2: So I think it's weird.

1423
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: On the day of the first read through of Bewitched

1424
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: was also the day JFK was killed. Two huge bits

1425
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: of mid century Americana television were birthed on the day

1426
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 1: JFK was killed.

1427
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 2: Good most good, Uh, Okay. The pilot of Bewitched is

1428
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 2: actually really odd given the way that the rest of

1429
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 2: the series was made. It's been given a sort of

1430
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: faux professorial voiceover, which gives the episode the feel of

1431
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 2: a sociological documentary. She's kind of a favorite satirical technique

1432
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 2: at the time. The episode follows Samantha and Darren meeting,

1433
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 2: falling in love, and getting married. Whilst on their honeymoon,

1434
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 2: Samantha drops the bomb that she's a witch. Darren then

1435
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 2: goes to the bar complains to the bartender that he

1436
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 2: married a witch. The bartender then offers up an absolute,

1437
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 2: absolutely predictable. God, they men just use this show as

1438
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 2: an excuse to just talk about how much they hated

1439
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 2: their wives, right, yeah, and every writer in the world. Yeah,

1440
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 2: And mother in law's bartender hits them back with you

1441
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 2: got to do just like that, just what I done, pal,

1442
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 2: learn to live with it. Darren makes her promise to

1443
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: give up her powers, but when they inexplicably go have

1444
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: dinner at his rude ex's house, as newly married couples

1445
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 2: are wont to do, Yeah, I don't really get that. Yeah,

1446
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 2: she uses her magic to get even in her own words,

1447
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: it's harder to break the habit than she thought, much

1448
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 2: like fentanyl the Bosonian's death. That joke said that doesn't

1449
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 2: have legs. It's funny for you and me, But the

1450
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: assassination of JFK and the loss of our national innocence.

1451
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 2: That particular straw that finally broke our camel's back of

1452
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:38,600
Speaker 2: a country built on blood. Ah sadly was not the

1453
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 2: only thing that marked Elizabeth Montgomery's time During this stretch

1454
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: of the show. She was pregnant, which in the sixties

1455
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: could be treated as a rare form of cancer if

1456
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: you were in show business. I mean, they used to

1457
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,759
Speaker 2: go to such extreme lanes to shoot around it and stuff,

1458
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 2: and they did for here. Rather than go the I

1459
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: Love Lucy route and write it into the program, they

1460
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 2: decided to shoot around it. This was partially because Samantha

1461
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 2: and Darren were newly married in the show, and it

1462
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 2: was deemed unseemly for her to already be showing unless

1463
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 2: it was like a shotgun witch wedding, which sounds like

1464
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 2: a sixth whoa yeah, shotgun witch wedding playing at the

1465
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 2: Whiskey ram Alem. It was a little early in the

1466
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 2: show's life to welcome in a new child the hideous

1467
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: cross breeding of a witch wife and a mortal husband,

1468
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 2: so she was given looser clothing to disguise the bump.

1469
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 2: Body doubles were occasionally used, but for her next two

1470
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 2: pregnancies they did decide to work it into the script.

1471
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 2: Her son, Robert Asher was born in nineteen sixty five

1472
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 2: as daughter Tabitha appeared in the series, and daughter Rebecca

1473
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: Asher was born in nineteen sixty nine as Adam Stevens

1474
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: was born into the series. Tabitha became a beloved character

1475
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,200
Speaker 2: on the show and later anchored a short lived spin

1476
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 2: off of her own in the late seventies, which we

1477
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 2: know nothing about. It was a major point of suspense

1478
01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,479
Speaker 2: as Samantha and Darren waited to see if she had

1479
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: inherit did her mother's powers, and she did as they

1480
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,639
Speaker 2: learned when random things started flying around. This is actually

1481
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 2: a theme that's explored well in the a little bit

1482
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: too much at times comic book series and Amazon show

1483
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: The Boys, where they have like this genetically They have

1484
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: like a genetically engineered like Superman, and it's revealed that

1485
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 2: he spent like the first eighteen years of his life

1486
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 2: locked in an isolation room with like a neutron bomb

1487
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,360
Speaker 2: strapped to his chest because he was so like when

1488
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,479
Speaker 2: he came out, he like killed his mom and then

1489
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 2: massacred everyone else with laser vision, and it kept happening,

1490
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 2: so that wonders I wonder if like which children are

1491
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: are in control of their powers until a certain age.

1492
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 2: I would guess not like a first communion or a

1493
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:41,680
Speaker 2: bar mitzvah.

1494
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: It's probably like the way that children aren't really in

1495
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: charge of their their their voices.

1496
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 2: They just kind of like scream and like spew it

1497
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,320
Speaker 2: out there. Yeah. Probably yeah, And if you do that

1498
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 2: with spells. Man much to consider.

1499
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: This is we're getting dark in this episode Give me children?

1500
01:19:58,080 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 2: When can which children control their power? Yeah? And avoid

1501
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:07,960
Speaker 2: killing their parents or loved ones miscegenation bull Connor. During

1502
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: the second season of the show, five different babies played

1503
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: Tabitha because you had to throw one out at the

1504
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 2: end of the day. Just kidding. They had to throw

1505
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 2: them all out at the end of the day, just

1506
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 2: like the doughnuts babies, babies craft services. They will go

1507
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:27,519
Speaker 2: in the same dumpster. Uh dark Ah. It's easier to

1508
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,040
Speaker 2: shoot with twins, as you remember from our full House episode,

1509
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: because with young characters, child actors are only allowed to

1510
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 2: work a fraction as much as their adult colleagues. The

1511
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 2: Olsen twins in particular also had to wear baby dentures,

1512
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 2: which is a horrifying thing. Speaking of child labor, lowers.

1513
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 2: John Landis was violating them when he killed these people,

1514
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 2: two children and Vic Morro just a reminder, is he

1515
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: the new enemy of the pond as he just supplanted?

1516
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,439
Speaker 2: His son is just a real piece of who's his son?

1517
01:20:59,479 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 2: You always? Oh he is? Oh Max Landis. He's like

1518
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:09,360
Speaker 2: a legendary like Hollywood fail son. He uh. He wrote

1519
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 2: like one good script and has just been like everything

1520
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 2: else has been just a failure or at least not

1521
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 2: a hit. And he has been accused of being a

1522
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 2: disgusting garbage human. He's just always like combative on Twitter

1523
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 2: with people. Yeah, he's like a NEPO baby m One

1524
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 2: of the twins, Aaron Murphy, would say that the whole

1525
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 2: magical aspect of the show left her confused as a

1526
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 2: little girl. She recalled the time when her real life

1527
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 2: mother asked her what she wanted for breakfast, and she

1528
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 2: answered eggs. The only problem was they were out of them,

1529
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,799
Speaker 2: and Aaron quipped back, that's no problem, mom, let's twitch

1530
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,280
Speaker 2: some up and she was serious. Isn't that cute? Yeah?

1531
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 2: Twitch has a weird context these days. First always thought

1532
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 2: about tweaking like meth, and now it's just that video

1533
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 2: game platform where people have whole careers just playing video games.

1534
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 2: How long do you spend on this? Anyway, it seems

1535
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:11,440
Speaker 2: like the goodest place as any to observe that. Maureen McCormick,

1536
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 2: Everyone's beloved Marcia Brady played two unrelated bit parts on

1537
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: Bewitched prior to achieving her start. I'm on the Brady

1538
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: Bunch first, and a fantasy sequence as Darren and Samantha's

1539
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 2: future child before Tabitha and then again is Andorra under

1540
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 2: a spell that made her look like a child.

1541
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: I cannot believe we've met it this far without talking

1542
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: about the famous nose twitch that Samantha does to cast

1543
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: the spells, although you'll notice it's not really a nose

1544
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,320
Speaker 1: twitch but a wiggle of the upper lip. In any event,

1545
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: it's really hard to do. Go ahead, try it now, Higel,

1546
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: try it now, everyone, Try it now.

1547
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: You can't. No, you do it? Yeah? No, no, I'm

1548
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 2: not doing it. I don't have that much control over

1549
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 2: that part of my face. It's just it's all the sneering,

1550
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 2: burned out the muscles.

1551
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: I actually no, it's just my chin. Never mind, No, No,

1552
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,559
Speaker 1: it's really hard. H but apparently it's really easy for

1553
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Montgomery because it was just something that she did

1554
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,120
Speaker 1: in real life. The nose twitch gesture was inspired by

1555
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: something William Asher saw her do whenever she was frustrated.

1556
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: She would screw up her mouth, which had the unintended

1557
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: effect of wiggling her nose. And while they were developing

1558
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: the show and looking for some kind of trademark gesture

1559
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: for Samantha to do to activate her magic, Asher suggested

1560
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,480
Speaker 1: she do that nose twitching things she always did. Unfortunately,

1561
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: Montgomery had no idea what he was talking about. You know,

1562
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,839
Speaker 1: the nose twitch thing you do, he said, And apparently

1563
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: she was unaware of this tick and not too pleased

1564
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: about having it pointed out.

1565
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 2: After a lengthy back.

1566
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: And forth, which you know, people who have been in

1567
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: relationships for a long time know exactly what it's like.

1568
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 2: You know the thing, what thing? You know the thing?

1569
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 1: Do the thing, she got so frustrated that she did

1570
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: the thing organically, and he goes up, But there there's

1571
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: the thing, and that led to a famous TV gesture.

1572
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 1: She tells the story a little differently. She related to

1573
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 1: the journey news Bill said to me, once before I

1574
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:00,720
Speaker 1: ever did Bewitched, you do a funny thing with your

1575
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: nose whenever you get impatient. Then he asked me to

1576
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 1: do it for him, and I couldn't. I didn't know

1577
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:07,840
Speaker 1: what he meant. Then one night, my nose twitched and

1578
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 1: Bill said, that's it, and then I knew. We were

1579
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: at a Dodgers game once and the bases were loaded.

1580
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 1: There were two outs and Sandy Kofax was coming up,

1581
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 1: and Bill said to me, come on, Liz, twitch.

1582
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:23,799
Speaker 2: So I did, and Sandy Kofax walked and the winning

1583
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 2: runs scored.

1584
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: Then I was at a Chicago Cubs game and I

1585
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: twitched my nose for Ernie Banks, who hadn't hit anything

1586
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: all day. When I twitched, Ernie hit the ball right

1587
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:33,679
Speaker 1: out of the park.

1588
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 2: That's cute. I like that.

1589
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 1: It's easy to forget now, but a huge part of

1590
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: the Witch's appeal or all the imaginative special effects which

1591
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,839
Speaker 1: made it look wildly different from any other sitcom on television. Obviously,

1592
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: this was long before CGI, so all these were practical

1593
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 1: effects achieved by hard working stage hands. The most famous

1594
01:24:53,479 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: were pop offs or pop ins. I've heard both, where

1595
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: people or objects would appear and disappear in a blink

1596
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: of an eye. And this was achieved through the time

1597
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: honored practice of turning the camera off and on. Not

1598
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 1: exactly that hard technologically, but hard to do physically. Casey Rodgers,

1599
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 1: who played Larry Tate's wife Louise, talked about.

1600
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:17,679
Speaker 2: How everyone got really good at knowing how.

1601
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: To freeze and hold really still while the cameraman stopped

1602
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 1: rolling in a pa grabbed a purse out of her

1603
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: hand or something whatever they wanted to disappear. Montgomery told

1604
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: The New York Times in a contemporary profile, it took

1605
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: a lot of practice before I learned to hold my

1606
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,600
Speaker 1: hands perfectly still. But even that's much easier than the

1607
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: scene in which I was supposed to clean up my

1608
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: kitchen by witchery. I sort of went swoosh with my

1609
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: arms raised, and then I had to leave them up

1610
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: in the air, aching while the crew rushed in and

1611
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: swept and dusted and got the kitchen immaculate before the

1612
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: scene resumed. I'm getting better at it, I guess. I

1613
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 1: almost never flinch over coil anymore, no matter what happens.

1614
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: For coil, well, I mean, you have to keep your

1615
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: arms up in the air and freeze for like, you know,

1616
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: a couple minutes while they're like running around everything neat

1617
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 1: and so that they could turn the camera back on

1618
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 1: and make it look like, you know, in the blink.

1619
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 2: Of an eye. I'm not familiar with the process. I'm

1620
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 2: just wondering what would have happened that caused would cause

1621
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 2: her to recoil just like, oh no, I don't want

1622
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 2: to do this. Oh yeah.

1623
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 1: They eventually gave her something that kind of resembled crutches

1624
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 1: to rest her arms, to make it a little easier

1625
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 1: for when a character popped in and out in a

1626
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: different set of clothes.

1627
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 2: This is really interesting to me.

1628
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,599
Speaker 1: The director made sure that the actor's shoes were fixed

1629
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 1: in place on the stage with glue while the actor

1630
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: dashed backstage and changed costumes, and then slipped back into

1631
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 1: the shoes that were glued onto the floor, ensuring that

1632
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 1: they were in the exact same mark. I think that's cool. Yeah, yeah,

1633
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: less cool. Some actors received minor burns from the pyrotechnics

1634
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: that were used when they had popped in the screen.

1635
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 2: Oh that's like when John Land has killed those kids.

1636
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say, more like more like Michael

1637
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: Jackson getting his hair burned on the pepsiad.

1638
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 2: Or James Headfield being engulfed and on stage Pyro in

1639
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 2: front of like two hundred thousand and hard rock fans

1640
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:02,040
Speaker 2: in Moscow.

1641
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 1: I think, oh, and did another band that to come

1642
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: on and like save the day?

1643
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 2: And oh no they did not know. That's the famous

1644
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 2: bit is that, uh you know Axel, Axel could have

1645
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: Guns and Roses could have gone on and uh after

1646
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 2: James Headfield was literally horribly burned. Uh always in Montreal,

1647
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 2: I was incorrect. Oh yeah, apologies to Canada, uh and

1648
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 2: Russia whoever? Uh yeah, James Henfield like literally walked into

1649
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 2: an on stage tower of flame and was horrifically burned,

1650
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 2: and Guns and Roses had a tremendous opportunity to come

1651
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 2: in and save the day, and Axel Rose was like

1652
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 2: as as I think it's Jason Newstead the Metallica basis

1653
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 2: at the time. He said something like we go backstage

1654
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,759
Speaker 2: and Axel sit there with a glasses champagne smoking a cigarette,

1655
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 2: going like, yeah, my voice doesn't feel up to it.

1656
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 2: So then all the Canadians, Uh.

1657
01:27:57,000 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 1: Right, James Hepfield was given fuel and given fire, either

1658
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,600
Speaker 1: of which he desired.

1659
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 2: The fuel was Jegermeister. I don't think he felt so

1660
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: good about the actual fire. No, maybe that song was

1661
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 2: a form of potent like it was working something out

1662
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 2: like John Lennon and Mother give it fool, give me

1663
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 2: fuck beat that which I desired. Just therapist is over there, Like, yes, James,

1664
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 2: how does that really make you feel bad? I could

1665
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 2: have something to do with my mom.

1666
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a new That's one of the best you doing,

1667
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 1: James Hetfield in therapy and Freudian analysis.

1668
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 2: That's one of the best.

1669
01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: That's one of the best bits you've ever done.

1670
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 2: I really worked on his uh the the one the

1671
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: yip that he does like live uh oh wow, the

1672
01:28:57,080 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 2: precisely timed end of yell of voice crack. It's actually

1673
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 2: also frequently used in a lot of appellation ballad singing.

1674
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 2: Is there more going on with James Hetfield than I expect? Well,

1675
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 2: I do find it hilarious that he is literally the

1676
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: son of an opera singer and a truck driver, which

1677
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,600
Speaker 2: is like, yes, that voice came out of that pairing. Yeah,

1678
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: nothing about that is weird to me. Nope, Well, from James.

1679
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,559
Speaker 1: Hetfield, we go back to the special effects used on Bewitched.

1680
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 2: We are halfway through the outline.

1681
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: Other effects included fast motion film, backwards motion film, and

1682
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:40,200
Speaker 1: invisible wires for levitation. Samantha's self operating vacuum cleaner was

1683
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 1: outfitted with a motor on the bottom instead of brushes,

1684
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 1: and was operated remotely off stage.

1685
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 2: An electric light bulb.

1686
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:48,719
Speaker 1: I love this one appears to light up when Samantha

1687
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,799
Speaker 1: handles it thanks to wires threaded up her long sleeved

1688
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 1: shirt connected to a twelve vault battery. For a scene

1689
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 1: where Samantha has a fight with Darren and walks out

1690
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 1: on him, she goes invisible, thus creating the appearance of

1691
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:04,640
Speaker 1: her suitcases magically flying out of the closet, packing themselves

1692
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: and walking down the stairs on their own. Those effect

1693
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 1: was achieved by a special effects man walking on planks

1694
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: above the set, manipulating wires attached to the luggage like

1695
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: puppet strings. He's basically playing luggage like Marioness. I think

1696
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 1: that's cool.

1697
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:19,679
Speaker 2: Hollywood magic.

1698
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, movie back or TV magic. It seems quaint today,

1699
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: but the amount of effort that went into these effects

1700
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 1: is really staggering. I like to quote for the New

1701
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:30,800
Speaker 1: York Times piece once again, the chief special effects man,

1702
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: Dick Albane, has been doing this.

1703
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 2: Kind of thing for over twenty.

1704
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: Years, and he says he still spends sleepless nights trying

1705
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 1: to visualize all the special riggings and stands dripping with

1706
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:44,720
Speaker 1: perspiration the first time they're tried. Of course, we rig

1707
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 1: everything two ways, he says, so that if it doesn't

1708
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 1: work the first time, we can get it to happen

1709
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: on the second. That way, we're sure that most of

1710
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,600
Speaker 1: the stunts will work. But there's a certain element of

1711
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: danger to the performers. When you're blowing up lamps with

1712
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: powder charges. There has to be I'm responsible for any

1713
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,640
Speaker 1: injuries in their California state law, so you can be

1714
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: sure that I'm careful.

1715
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 2: I love that. That reminds me of the in Gremlins

1716
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 2: when they blew up the theater and a young, fresh

1717
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:15,559
Speaker 2: faced Zach Callaghan was asking the pyro guy, and the

1718
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 2: pyro guy said something like, oh, it'll be big, or

1719
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,200
Speaker 2: like I put enough in there, or something like that.

1720
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:27,120
Speaker 1: I just always think of the Keith Moon on the

1721
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: who are on the on the Smothers Brothers in the

1722
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: sineteen sixty seven and just I think he bribed like

1723
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: a stage hand to put like four times as much

1724
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 1: explosives in his drum kit cost John and Twistle was

1725
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: hearing now Pete towsend his hearing and singed his hair,

1726
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,439
Speaker 1: and Keith had his arms sliced that when a symbol

1727
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: turned into shrapnel just sliced all his arms.

1728
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 2: It certainly didn't have any effect on his drumming. Oh

1729
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,519
Speaker 2: that's why I forgot your anti Keith Moon. You're not anti.

1730
01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:54,360
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's really all that cracked up

1731
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 2: to me. It made me go on my whole thing

1732
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:00,719
Speaker 2: about British drummers. I genuinely don't think I know, because

1733
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 2: I thought we don't have time for this. Come on.

1734
01:32:04,680 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 2: I think like certain British drummers like have a real difficulty,

1735
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,600
Speaker 2: especially the ones who are like some of that incredibly

1736
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: patronizing generation of British musicians who like Eric Burden were

1737
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,720
Speaker 2: like we rescued Black American music from the garbage bin.

1738
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:23,839
Speaker 2: It's like, no, you didn't go yourself like you arrogant

1739
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 2: troll of a man. But like all of those guys

1740
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 2: like Ginger Baker, Keith Moon, a lot of those guys

1741
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 2: I do not think they can swing, especially for playing

1742
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,840
Speaker 2: like ripped off black music. I mean, and Ginger Baker

1743
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 2: is the worst one of them all for me, he

1744
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 2: just plays. He plays like marching band rudiments on drums,

1745
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:45,840
Speaker 2: like everything is just which is like exactly the same

1746
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 2: thing Lars Alder gets dragged for in Metallica is that

1747
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,639
Speaker 2: all of his films are just like eighth notes around

1748
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:54,439
Speaker 2: the kit, just like the way that you do when

1749
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 2: you see a drum kit and you go, you know,

1750
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a part in Crosswords in the Isolated Guitar,

1751
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 2: the Isolated drum track and Crossroads the other day, and

1752
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 2: it's just like there's a part where he's just going

1753
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 2: the kick drum like sounds like a Toddler programming and

1754
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:16,880
Speaker 2: drum machine and the only two. Though I'm sure there

1755
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,360
Speaker 2: are some British funk drummers. It's if there is such

1756
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:23,520
Speaker 2: a thing, which is hard to believe. But no, I'm

1757
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 2: bonhom and and and particularly bill Ward were the best

1758
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: bonhom I think because he was just wasted all the time,

1759
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 2: probably for Billboard two. But both of those guys were

1760
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:38,040
Speaker 2: big fans of Gene Croupa and actually our mutual well

1761
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,559
Speaker 2: he's a guy whose work I read, but I believe

1762
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 2: you actually know him. Hank Steamer has a whole blog

1763
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:47,000
Speaker 2: called Dark Forces Swing, which is about the intersection of

1764
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:50,040
Speaker 2: heavy metal and jazz and it is very cool. He

1765
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 2: has interviewed Bill Ward about it, uh and and and

1766
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:55,439
Speaker 2: just knowing that. John Bonham has also talked about Gene Crouper,

1767
01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 2: like those guys listen to to swing band music. Same

1768
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 2: with Charlie Watts. Now that I think, god, I hate

1769
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 2: Charlie Watts. All of those guys who were like, well,

1770
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 2: actually I'm a jazz drummer and I'm just slum playing this,

1771
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, you suck at this, so I can't

1772
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:11,840
Speaker 2: imagine how good you are at your real job. Please

1773
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 2: surprise me.

1774
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: Weren't the Stones famous, like their songs would always like

1775
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,400
Speaker 1: start at one tempo and and can't keep tempo.

1776
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:21,840
Speaker 2: He can't get he does this thing that people talk

1777
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 2: about like he is this one thing about lifting the

1778
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 2: high hat or opening the high hat before like a

1779
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,759
Speaker 2: downbeat or before the snare hit. And there's a debate

1780
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 2: in the drummer community as to whether or not this

1781
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 2: is like an error that people make before when they

1782
01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 2: start drumming and have to be trained out of, or

1783
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,240
Speaker 2: like the essence of Charlie Watts's genius, they're just like, well, yeah,

1784
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:44,439
Speaker 2: children learn how to do like children do that because

1785
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 2: you can't. You're like, you're trained not to coordinate the

1786
01:34:47,439 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 2: high hat with the the snare hit. But people can't

1787
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 2: stop themselves from doing that, so they will open or

1788
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 2: close the high hat before the snarehead and then all

1789
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 2: the pro Charlie Watts people are like, oh, but it

1790
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 2: gives his songs, It gives it such a propulse of lift,

1791
01:35:00,760 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 2: Like I can't even keep one tempo for like an

1792
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 2: entire song. Man. A lot of those songs just like

1793
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 2: end up ten clicks after Oh he plays to the song.

1794
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 2: Whatever Rolling Stones drummer is is Keith Richard's right hand

1795
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,920
Speaker 2: and that's the be all end all of it. Do

1796
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,840
Speaker 2: you show how much Keith Richards hated Bill Wyman? No,

1797
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Why because he married seventeen year olds. Well,

1798
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think he just was curmudgeingly

1799
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 2: about everything. Well yeah, yeah, and and didn't want to

1800
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 2: do things.

1801
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 1: And and well he was like he like lied about

1802
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: his age. He was like significantly older than the others.

1803
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:40,559
Speaker 1: I think he was like ten years older than the

1804
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 1: rest of the Stones.

1805
01:35:41,960 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 2: Well, he certainly didn't have a head start on the musically. No,

1806
01:35:45,240 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 2: I think he just like had a namp. Yeah, yeah,

1807
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 2: was that the story with him? Yeah? Yeah, dogship bassist.

1808
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:52,479
Speaker 2: Where were we?

1809
01:35:55,800 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 1: Back to Bewitched and the magic of Bewitched. Most of

1810
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,479
Speaker 1: the magic took place within the Stephens Home of one

1811
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 1: one six ' four Morning Glory Circle, an upper middle

1812
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: class neighborhood located either in Westport, Connecticut, as the pilot

1813
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: would dictate, or Patterson, New York. There were differing accounts

1814
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,519
Speaker 1: throughout the series. I love when shows, like in the

1815
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 1: pre DVD like Rewatch Era, can't keep their own storyline straight.

1816
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 2: Like yeah, no, no, I don't care. Was the dividing

1817
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 2: line there the dicks?

1818
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:29,280
Speaker 1: No, they just like at the same house was located

1819
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: at different times in different states.

1820
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess they didn't have like script supervisors for this.

1821
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah No.

1822
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,280
Speaker 1: Until very recently, like very recently. The facade of the

1823
01:36:39,320 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: Stephens Home was located on the Columbia later Warner Brothers

1824
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Ranch in beautiful downtown Burbank. The facade was actually modeled

1825
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,519
Speaker 1: on a real house in Santa Monica where the nineteen

1826
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: fifty nine movie Gidget was filmed, and they constructed this

1827
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 1: facsimile backstage where Gidget Goes to Rome in nineteen sixty

1828
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: three at the Gidget sequel, the same year that be

1829
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: Wish Pilot was filmed, and when the Gidget story was

1830
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: adapted for an ABC sitcom starring Sally Field, they used

1831
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: the facade for that show as well, and it also

1832
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: appeared in I Dream of Genie as the home owns

1833
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 1: by Tony Nelson's boss, Doctor Bellows, and it was seen

1834
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 1: briefly in an episode of The Monkeys and Home Improvement,

1835
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,720
Speaker 1: and most recently in WandaVision. This little fake street known

1836
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 1: as Blondie Street for the fifty sitcom that was shot there, is,

1837
01:37:26,120 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 1: or at least was a mecca for pop culture heads.

1838
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: They used so many of these facades on so many

1839
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: different shows. The Tates exteriors were shot at the I

1840
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: Dream of Genie House, so Genie and Major Nelson lived

1841
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 1: at the Tates House, and Gladys Kravitz, the nosy neighbor,

1842
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 1: lived at a home that was used for the Donna

1843
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 1: Reed Show and was later used for The Partridge Family.

1844
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 1: Is the house where the Partridge Family lived?

1845
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 2: Is that that? It's like the same house? Yeah? Right,

1846
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, that's fine.

1847
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,760
Speaker 1: It's like the televisual equivalent of like The Wrecking Crew.

1848
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,320
Speaker 1: For me, it's like, oh wow, you're on like everything,

1849
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 1: notice it, because you could just blend in right.

1850
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1851
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: The exterior of the Stevens House on Bewitch was also

1852
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:08,759
Speaker 1: featured in National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation.

1853
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,840
Speaker 2: I think it was Clark Griswold's childhood home.

1854
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, this time last year, Warner Brothers decided to raise

1855
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 1: the ranch to make way for office buildings.

1856
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 2: The iconic Friends.

1857
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 1: Fountain, which also could be seen in various episodes of

1858
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:24,880
Speaker 1: be Wished, was moved to a different place on a

1859
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: Willer Brothers lot, but little else was spared, and pieces

1860
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,719
Speaker 1: of pop culture history from titles like Father Knows Best,

1861
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 1: Mock from the Middle, The Three Stooges, Dennis the Menace,

1862
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:38,360
Speaker 1: Lethal Weapon, Hocus Pocus, Pushing Daisies, Hazel, The Waltons, plus

1863
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,879
Speaker 1: all the other shows we just mentioned were destroyed. Fittingly,

1864
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:46,560
Speaker 1: the Bewitched House facade was demolished on Friday the thirteenth

1865
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: in October twenty twenty three, and as the final insult.

1866
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:53,240
Speaker 1: One of the last shows to shoot on the ranch

1867
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 1: was Young Sheldon, and that production depicted all the demolition

1868
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:58,920
Speaker 1: in the background as the result of a tornado.

1869
01:38:59,200 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 2: God a nindig.

1870
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: It seems like something that be I mean, their house facades.

1871
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:05,040
Speaker 2: It seems like something that would have been pretty easy.

1872
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: To like build a small sound stage four and like Nope,

1873
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 1: Celtic Tour, well not even that's just.

1874
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 2: Like the tour. Yeah, no, people don't care. Universal backlots

1875
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 2: so cool. David zaslov Kan's entire movies to make the

1876
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 2: numbers jump before an earning scull, you think he gives

1877
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:25,120
Speaker 2: a about a house facade. True. It is truly amazing, though,

1878
01:39:25,160 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 2: how judicious film crews can be with small backlots like

1879
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 2: the ones on these shows, and the producers of the

1880
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 2: which were justice thrifty with their wardrobe budget. According to

1881
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 2: actress Casey Rodgers, who played Louise Tate, the minor cast

1882
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 2: would simply wear their own clothes from home a week

1883
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 2: prior to the shoot. They were expected to come to

1884
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:44,679
Speaker 2: the studio with the selection from which the costume team

1885
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:49,080
Speaker 2: would make their picks and then iron them. Speaking of costumes,

1886
01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 2: Agnes Moorehead often wore a starburst brooch on the show

1887
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 2: with eight point five characters of old Mine Diamonds, which

1888
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 2: I guess means more racist. Is there, extra good, extra bloody. Yeah.

1889
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 2: Montgomery had always admired the pin, and when Morehead died,

1890
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 2: she willed it to her, which is so classic and

1891
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 2: so sweet. As a general design note on the show,

1892
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 2: the color green is a major motif. You'd see it

1893
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:17,479
Speaker 2: in Samantha's outfits, or the Stevens home carpet, or various

1894
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,960
Speaker 2: emerald accents. And this is their way of playing up

1895
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 2: the witchy folklore that most people would have had in

1896
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 2: their mind at this time period, which was from the

1897
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 2: Wizard of Oz. Speaking of themes un bewitched loosely defined,

1898
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,639
Speaker 2: another one was alcohol. The characters on this show got

1899
01:40:33,720 --> 01:40:35,599
Speaker 2: drunk so much on camera that there is a fan

1900
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:39,599
Speaker 2: website compiling all of the drinking incidents that happened, complete

1901
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:44,080
Speaker 2: with location and episode numbers. You read somewhere that they

1902
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 2: were drinking real alcohol.

1903
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 1: That's what I heard.

1904
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:49,559
Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me. Man. It's like back when people

1905
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:55,599
Speaker 2: just made pictures of like Martini's for themselves. From all

1906
01:40:55,640 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 2: the pain of the prosperity, all that pain of by

1907
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:02,439
Speaker 2: a house for five dollars money, it's not going to

1908
01:41:02,479 --> 01:41:08,360
Speaker 2: drink itself. Speaking yet again, of themes. In an even

1909
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:10,880
Speaker 2: more broad sense, we can't forget the theme tune to

1910
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:13,599
Speaker 2: the show. At one point, producers of the show, using

1911
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:18,160
Speaker 2: common producer thought patterns, wanted to use the song Bewitched,

1912
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 2: Bothered and Bewilders from the Richard Rodgers and Lorenz Heart

1913
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 2: musical pal Joey as the show's theme song. Ultimately, they

1914
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:30,799
Speaker 2: decided to use an original song instead because it was cheaper,

1915
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:37,400
Speaker 2: probably presumably that's the real reason. Though familiar to fans

1916
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 2: as an instrumental, the theme song was supposed to have lyrics.

1917
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 2: Singer Jerry Vale, who is most famous for being summarily

1918
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:48,679
Speaker 2: mocked by the rat Pack, who called him Jerry Fail

1919
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:53,840
Speaker 2: in a devastating burn, initially agreed to record the theme

1920
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,880
Speaker 2: but the deal fell through it the last minute, supposedly

1921
01:41:56,920 --> 01:41:59,519
Speaker 2: because the lyrics weren't finished in time Jesus Christ, Buddy,

1922
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:03,639
Speaker 2: this is the Night like nineteen sixties lyrics Warren Peace.

1923
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:06,640
Speaker 2: The song has though been recorded with lyrics by the

1924
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 2: likes of Steve Lawrence, the Wonderful Peggy Lee and Jimmy Smith,

1925
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:14,600
Speaker 2: the Man who Blew Everybody's mind on the Hammond B

1926
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:17,599
Speaker 2: three organ and basically set a new standard for how

1927
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 2: you have to play that instrument that people still cannot

1928
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 2: escape from. Yeah, as you meditate on that, we'll be

1929
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 2: right back with more too much information after these messages.

1930
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Speaker 1: Yow Wow Be, which premiere on September seventeenth, nineteen sixty four,

1931
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 1: a Thursday night, at nine pm Eastern. There were some

1932
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 1: protests in advance of the launch, mostly from viewers in

1933
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:51,479
Speaker 1: the Bible Belt States who are afraid that the show

1934
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:55,120
Speaker 1: would promote devil worship. Hell yeah, But those concerns quickly

1935
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 1: fell by the wayside as viewers were charmed by the

1936
01:42:57,800 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: premise and particularly by Elizabeth Montgomery. By the end of

1937
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:03,719
Speaker 1: its first season, Be, which was ABC's number one show

1938
01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: and the best rated sitcom on all three networks, coming

1939
01:43:07,200 --> 01:43:08,640
Speaker 1: second only to Bonanza.

1940
01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 2: Bonanza was a real juggernaut back then.

1941
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:13,919
Speaker 1: Creator Saul Sachs would say an interview with the Television Academy,

1942
01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 1: it was a hit immediately, the first one of its

1943
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 1: kind supernatural shows on television. It's been done since the

1944
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 1: Greeks where a supernatural being comes to life. He's not

1945
01:43:23,960 --> 01:43:26,200
Speaker 1: wrong about it being the first. It beat The Adams

1946
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: Family by a day and the Monsters by a week.

1947
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:33,639
Speaker 1: Out of fantasy shows around this realm. The press coverage

1948
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:36,280
Speaker 1: was slightly skeptical at first, with The New York Times

1949
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 1: sniffing there were laughs in the scene, to be sure,

1950
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:42,080
Speaker 1: but they were attended by some grounds or apprehension too

1951
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 1: many trick camera effects and supernatural gimmickry could rather quickly

1952
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:50,639
Speaker 1: irlitate the effectiveness of the show's premise. However, they quickly

1953
01:43:50,720 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: changed their tune and joined the rapturous and honestly in

1954
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:57,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four pretty hilarious press coverage of the show.

1955
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:00,880
Speaker 1: I'd like to read excerpts from two pieces. The first

1956
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 1: from The Gray Lady herself from November twenty second, nineteen

1957
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 1: sixty four, a year to the day after the assassination

1958
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: of JFK and the initial pilot rehearsals. This is the

1959
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:14,200
Speaker 1: New York Times article the Bewitching Miss Montgomery. If any

1960
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:17,200
Speaker 1: of the poor biddies incarcerated at Salem had even the

1961
01:44:17,240 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 1: most elementary acquaintance with sorcery, they would surely have arranged

1962
01:44:21,400 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: to return almost three hundred years later as Elizabeth Montgomery.

1963
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:28,839
Speaker 1: Miss Montgomery's existence on be wished as the golden dimpled

1964
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,639
Speaker 1: queen of the new television season, her crown firmly affixed

1965
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:35,599
Speaker 1: by the latest Nielsen ratings, must certainly be the most

1966
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: desirable of all reincarnations. ABC describes Samantha as someone yearning

1967
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: to be quote a normal woman scrubbing floors, a premise

1968
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 1: which becomes patently ridiculous after one look at Miss Montgomery.

1969
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 1: A product of the Westlake School in Los Angeles and

1970
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 1: the spent School in the Academy of Dramatic Arts in

1971
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,720
Speaker 1: New York, she enjoys being a witch as long as

1972
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 1: it's a young and pretty one. A pal of sorceress

1973
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:02,240
Speaker 1: jokes is already beginning. A plague or however, bank clerk's

1974
01:45:02,240 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 1: invited her to twitch up a little money, and friends

1975
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 1: ask her to give a little magical help when sticking

1976
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,600
Speaker 1: refrigerator trays. In a couple of years, she mused, I

1977
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:12,479
Speaker 1: may get a little tired of these jokes.

1978
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 2: It would take less than a couple of years.

1979
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 1: That was a New York Times article. This one from

1980
01:45:17,640 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 1: Time Magazine is even funnier. The girl with a necromantic nose.

1981
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,080
Speaker 1: It's from October thirtieth, nineteen sixty four.

1982
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 2: That's gross and weird. Necromancy is just raising the dead.

1983
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:32,000
Speaker 2: I didn't write it.

1984
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, many a man is convinced the witch lives under

1985
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 1: his roof. With the arrival of the present TV season,

1986
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,800
Speaker 1: many another is probably wishing he could exchange his incumbent Hag.

1987
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 2: For Elizabeth Montgomery.

1988
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 1: Pretty and blonde with a turned up nose, she hardly

1989
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 1: suggests cauldrons full of rat guts and eels, but she

1990
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:56,200
Speaker 1: plays a thoroughbred sorceress married to an advertising executive on

1991
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 1: ABC's Bewitched.

1992
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 2: Like she's drifting into the mid Atlantic accent as this goes, Oh.

1993
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: Yah, yeah, yeah, see that are Paul Lind's. She's done

1994
01:46:06,280 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: over two hundred TV shows, a Broadway play, in three movies.

1995
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:12,680
Speaker 1: She was Dino Martin's fiance and Who's been sleeping in

1996
01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 1: My bed? She's been a divorcee herself a couple of times.

1997
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: Her first husband was Freddie Camon Harvard fifty one, descendant

1998
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 1: of Albert Gallatin, fourth Secretary of the Treasury. Since Elizabeth

1999
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 1: was only an actor's daughter, she knocked Freddie out of

2000
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: the social register when she married him in nineteen fifty four.

2001
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:32,240
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ, just as.

2002
01:46:32,240 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 1: Robert Montgomery himself depaganated Buffy Harkness when he married her

2003
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty.

2004
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm taking acid, is what. None of

2005
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 2: those words are in the Bible.

2006
01:46:43,479 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 1: Well, the social register, you know, the social register is

2007
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: This is all in a profile of Elizabeth Montgomery in

2008
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Time magazine talking about how she married somebody out of

2009
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,839
Speaker 1: her social standing and result and as a result, dragged

2010
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,280
Speaker 1: him off the social register, which is hilarious considering what

2011
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: we were talking about about the premise of this show,

2012
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,920
Speaker 1: a mixed social standing couple. Cavin was not out of

2013
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 1: the book long, however. Elizabeth divorcedhim in nineteen fifty five,

2014
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: then was married for six years to actor Gig Young.

2015
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: Her current husband is William Asher, who directs Bewitched. They

2016
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,320
Speaker 1: live in Malibu with their infant son, an, a Siamese

2017
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 1: cat named Zip Zip. She no longer gives yeah, she

2018
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: no longer gives interviews to magazines that are doing spreads

2019
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:29,120
Speaker 1: on children of famous parents. She's her own girl. Oh wow,

2020
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 1: her father's a Republican, says gig Young, reminiscing Fondley. Why

2021
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 1: would you interview somebody's ex husband who then would talk

2022
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:41,599
Speaker 1: about her father's political affiliations. Her father's a Republican, says

2023
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:44,720
Speaker 1: gig Young, reminiscing Fondley. And she's probably a Democrat.

2024
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 2: She may.

2025
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,479
Speaker 1: She may soon be worth a fortune on her own too.

2026
01:47:50,120 --> 01:47:52,680
Speaker 1: As part owner of Bewitched, she gets twenty percent of

2027
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,439
Speaker 1: the show's profits, which will amount to two million if

2028
01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: the program lasts for more than three seasons, which it

2029
01:47:58,640 --> 01:47:59,360
Speaker 1: probably will.

2030
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:04,800
Speaker 2: Maybe killing print Media was not a mistake. Yeah, it's

2031
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 2: pretty astonishing. Given the success of Bewitch. The production company

2032
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:10,400
Speaker 2: that made it, Screen Gems, they were eager for a

2033
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 2: follow up to pitch a rival network enter I Dream

2034
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 2: of Genie nineteen sixty five sadly did not tape it's

2035
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 2: pilot on the days of any prominent assassinations. That game, Malcolm, Oh,

2036
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:28,800
Speaker 2: that game went to writer Sidney Sheldon, future romantic suspense

2037
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 2: thriller novelist who is then working as a TV writer.

2038
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,640
Speaker 2: I hate all of those words in that name. He

2039
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,640
Speaker 2: felt bad about working on a rival show because he'd

2040
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 2: been close with Bewitch director William Asher after working with

2041
01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:40,960
Speaker 2: him on The Patty Duke Show years earlier. So Sheldon

2042
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 2: gave Asher a call, and Asher gave his blessing. I

2043
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:45,200
Speaker 2: think he liked helped them flesh out the idea a

2044
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 2: bit too. She's a genie, But what do you want print,

2045
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:56,880
Speaker 2: got a bottle of it? Yeah, little boy, to have

2046
01:48:56,920 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 2: a clubhouse. Look like some day we're gonna naval Did

2047
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:07,599
Speaker 2: that do anything for you? The I Dream of Genie

2048
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 2: and Bewitch became something of sister shows. They both taped

2049
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:14,160
Speaker 2: at Columbia Studios on Sunset and Gower, and also nine

2050
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 2: miles away at the Columbia Movie Ranch, where as you mentioned,

2051
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 2: they exchanged housing facades. Despite the fact that Bewitch took

2052
01:49:19,640 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 2: place in a New York suburb or Connecticut, and I

2053
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 2: Dream of Genie took place in Cocoa Beach, Florida. Bewitched,

2054
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,320
Speaker 2: I Dream of Genie, the Monkeys, the Parture Family, and

2055
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 2: the Flying Nun all had their makeup done in the

2056
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 2: same room, and Sally Field, the titular Flying Nun, recalled

2057
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,400
Speaker 2: Barbara Eden, singing all the time she was getting her

2058
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:41,760
Speaker 2: makeup done, which would drive Elizabeth Montgomery insane. Despite this,

2059
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:44,599
Speaker 2: the pair were reportedly very close, according to Barbara Eden,

2060
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:47,679
Speaker 2: at least as she told the Sydney Morning Harold, Elizabeth

2061
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:49,680
Speaker 2: and I were on the same lot. I'd see her

2062
01:49:49,720 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 2: every morning. We were both pregnant together. Both had our

2063
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,640
Speaker 2: babies around the same time. We chatted a lot. If

2064
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:58,679
Speaker 2: there was any perceived rivalry, it was the producer's invention. Samantha, meanwhile,

2065
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,200
Speaker 2: was rumored to be privately in by the similarities between

2066
01:50:01,240 --> 01:50:04,880
Speaker 2: the two shows, possibly just a dose of good old

2067
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 2: women competing with women in there because Barbara Eden was

2068
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:16,519
Speaker 2: quickly television's newest hot slut. In reality, the shows were

2069
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 2: not truly competitors. They didn't air at the same time,

2070
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 2: and Bewitched thoroughly stomped I Dream of Genie in the ratings.

2071
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 2: That show never even broke the top twenty during its

2072
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:30,719
Speaker 2: original run. That's crazy, And back to the dis Dick Sargent,

2073
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:33,000
Speaker 2: who took over as Darren, had a small role on

2074
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 2: Igam of Dreney as a lawyer, just six months before

2075
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:40,160
Speaker 2: he took over the co star slot on Bewitched. I

2076
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 2: promise you were going to get to the Dicks. The

2077
01:50:42,520 --> 01:50:45,599
Speaker 2: Flintstones crossover. Speaking of crossover, I don't know why I've

2078
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:48,320
Speaker 2: read the title heading there. Speaking of crossovers, Bewitched had

2079
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:52,120
Speaker 2: a crossover episode with another ABC show, The Flintstones. Screen

2080
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 2: Gems owned a twenty percent steak in Hannah Barbera. The

2081
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 2: animation studio behind the cartoon sitcom. They handled the opening

2082
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,559
Speaker 2: for Bewitched. As you recall, so ABC got some synergy

2083
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,479
Speaker 2: going by having a cartoon Samantha and Darren drop into

2084
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 2: Bedrock as the Flintstones new Neighbors time travel multiverse. I

2085
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, I don't know how that worked, Hanna

2086
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 2: Barbara really had. It was just all over the place.

2087
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 2: I mean this, we already tied him into this episode once.

2088
01:51:18,760 --> 01:51:21,759
Speaker 2: How they turned a Jack Armstrong pilot into Johnny Quest

2089
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 2: Stay in her lane, Hanna Barbera, And now we have

2090
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 2: to get to the racism. Perhaps the most notorious episode

2091
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,960
Speaker 2: of Bewitched is a nineteen seventy Christmas episode called Sisters

2092
01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 2: at Heart, and it is a very special episode in

2093
01:51:37,600 --> 01:51:41,240
Speaker 2: all meetings of the phrase, it is the only instance

2094
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 2: where you could plausibly describe something as the heartwarming blackface episode.

2095
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 2: Yeah hear us out. This episode was actually written collaboratively

2096
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:56,080
Speaker 2: by twenty two students of Mis Marcella Saunders tenth grade

2097
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 2: English class at Jefferson High School in south central Los Angeles.

2098
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 2: MSS Saunders was a twenty three year old teacher who

2099
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 2: found that her students struggle with reading and interpreting text.

2100
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 2: But she knew they were all big Bewitched fans, so

2101
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,760
Speaker 2: she started typing up scripts of various episodes and incorporating

2102
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,920
Speaker 2: those into her lesson plans. She wrote to screen Gems

2103
01:52:13,920 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 2: to share her story with the producers, and Elizabeth Montgomery

2104
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 2: and William Asher were so touched that they invited them

2105
01:52:18,439 --> 01:52:21,480
Speaker 2: down to visit the studio and even cover their travel expenses.

2106
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:25,559
Speaker 2: Saunders thanked them by sharing an original plot line that

2107
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 2: all the students had collaborated on, and the writers were

2108
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:31,719
Speaker 2: so impressed that they adapted into a full length episode.

2109
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:35,000
Speaker 2: There is possibly some money that changed Anne, but Montgomery

2110
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 2: made it clear whose idea was at the start of

2111
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,920
Speaker 2: the episode, which featured a tape segment shouting out the

2112
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:43,920
Speaker 2: class and explaining the genesis of the episode. That was

2113
01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 2: all necessary because the plot involves mister Brockway, who is

2114
01:52:47,439 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 2: an openly racist owner of a toy company Darren is

2115
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:53,679
Speaker 2: working with at his ad agency. Brockway refused to allow

2116
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,559
Speaker 2: Darren to handle his account since he mistakenly believed that

2117
01:52:56,640 --> 01:52:59,599
Speaker 2: Darren was married to a black woman who was actually

2118
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:04,080
Speaker 2: the white of Darren's co workers. Meanwhile, that coworker's daughter

2119
01:53:04,120 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 2: was Tabitha's close friend and spending the weekend with the Stevens.

2120
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 2: Tabitha liked to pretend that the two were sisters and

2121
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,680
Speaker 2: tried to make them both the same color so that

2122
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 2: they'd be twins, because she's a witch and she can,

2123
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 2: like you know. Unfortunately, she got the spell wrong, and

2124
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:23,599
Speaker 2: Tabitha ended up with black poka dots on her face,

2125
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:27,080
Speaker 2: while her friend Lisa had white spots. In the end,

2126
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 2: Samantha explained that all men and women are brothers and

2127
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 2: sisters despite the color of their skin, and to prove

2128
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:34,920
Speaker 2: a point, she used her magic to zap everyone at

2129
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 2: their Christmas party into blackface when the aforementioned openly racist

2130
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 2: mister Brockway arrived. Rather than throwing him into a murderous rage,

2131
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 2: this allowed him to see the air of his ways,

2132
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 2: and he gave Darren the account and his heart grew

2133
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 2: three sizes that day. The episode won an Emmy Hilarious

2134
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 2: Wonderful Stuff. Elizabeth Montgomery declared it her favorite.

2135
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:05,880
Speaker 1: It makes sense because it plays on the whole mixed

2136
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 1: marriage metaphor of a witch is immortal.

2137
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:11,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't Amos and Andy still on the

2138
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:16,080
Speaker 2: air nineteen seventy Oh, I don't know, no, no, yeah,

2139
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 2: you're right, that wasn't Yeah, Amos Andy had got Amos

2140
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:20,759
Speaker 2: and Andy. There was a spin off called Amos Andy's

2141
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:25,479
Speaker 2: Music Hall that stopped in nineteen sixty. Wow, Amos and

2142
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:31,080
Speaker 2: Andy stopped in nineteen fifty five. So yeah, yikes, not

2143
01:54:31,160 --> 01:54:36,880
Speaker 2: too long out from that. But hey, witchcraft, they don't

2144
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 2: call it that old black magic for nothing? Am I right? Folks?

2145
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:41,240
Speaker 1: Wow? Wow?

2146
01:54:41,400 --> 01:54:45,320
Speaker 2: Can we keep that? Judges? I just go nuts. No,

2147
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:47,440
Speaker 2: it actually is quite stup because there's a whole ton

2148
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:50,480
Speaker 2: of like racial stuff tied up in witchcraft because of

2149
01:54:50,560 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 2: voodoo and like, oh yeah, you know, one of the

2150
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:55,120
Speaker 2: first zombie movies that came out, I Walked With a Zombie,

2151
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 2: is actually about not the Night of the Living Dead concept,

2152
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,879
Speaker 2: which was the dead returning to life, which is coined

2153
01:55:01,880 --> 01:55:05,400
Speaker 2: by George Romero, but the idea of actual Haitian voodoo,

2154
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 2: which is putting people under like a trance to do

2155
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:10,320
Speaker 2: your bidding and in a state akin to living death,

2156
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:12,760
Speaker 2: but not actually being dead. So that was like, honestly

2157
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:14,840
Speaker 2: the first time a lot of people had been exposed

2158
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 2: to just any Haitian culture. Year did that movie come

2159
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:26,520
Speaker 2: out nineteen forty three, So American attitude towards Witchcraft were

2160
01:55:26,520 --> 01:55:30,560
Speaker 2: influenced by that because it was a very influential film,

2161
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 2: So I brought it back. Thank you? Still racist as yeah?

2162
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but is it racist if the people who

2163
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 1: wrote it were little black kids?

2164
01:55:43,960 --> 01:55:48,839
Speaker 2: No? Yeah, I don't really understand.

2165
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:51,600
Speaker 1: How like being zapping everybody in the black face at

2166
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 1: the end, I'm.

2167
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Saying, if this dude was that racist, he probably just

2168
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:57,320
Speaker 2: would have walked in and started shooting right like, or

2169
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:01,400
Speaker 2: got outside and burned across, Like, how does being confront

2170
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 2: with the thing you hate most make you tolerate it?

2171
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:08,640
Speaker 2: That's white panic, Like, that's why this is why white

2172
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:11,760
Speaker 2: people left the fucking cities and created the suburbs, honestly,

2173
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:15,360
Speaker 2: because they started they started looking around, and it sure

2174
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:16,600
Speaker 2: didn't result in brotherhood.

2175
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 1: That story in that King Cole when he moved in

2176
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 1: this like Canoga Park or some like nice part of

2177
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 1: LA and a bunch of his neighbors like showed up

2178
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,720
Speaker 1: to basically petition him, and they said, like, you know,

2179
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,480
Speaker 1: we don't want any desirables moving into our neighborhood. And

2180
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 1: he said, if I see any undesirables, I'll let you know. Yeah,

2181
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:35,520
Speaker 1: I think they still like burnt crosses on his lawn

2182
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:36,000
Speaker 1: or something.

2183
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:42,160
Speaker 2: Ah, and that like wasn't this country.

2184
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:42,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was LA, which I mean, I guess LA,

2185
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:46,320
Speaker 1: especially them, was not exactly as liberal as we see

2186
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:49,000
Speaker 1: it today. But I mean, I don't know. Nineteen ninety two,

2187
01:56:49,120 --> 01:56:56,280
Speaker 1: never mind, there's an incredible documentary I think, directed by

2188
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:59,080
Speaker 1: John Singleton. I'm pretty sure John Singleton just called I

2189
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 1: Think LA ninety two and it's all not found footage

2190
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:06,600
Speaker 1: but like news footage and handheld cam quarter footage of

2191
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:08,839
Speaker 1: the LA riots after the Rodney King verdict.

2192
01:57:09,160 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 2: It is astonishing.

2193
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 1: It is an incredible documentary anyway, on the topic of magic,

2194
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 1: I guess this whole episode bad Sameway. Another notable string

2195
01:57:21,320 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 1: of episodes occurred during the same season, season seven, for

2196
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:27,680
Speaker 1: an eight part story arc in which Samantha, Darren, and

2197
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:31,839
Speaker 1: Indorra traveled to Salem, Massachusetts for the Centennial Witch's Convention.

2198
01:57:32,720 --> 01:57:33,720
Speaker 2: This was the first time that.

2199
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:36,560
Speaker 1: The show had shot on location, and many assumed it

2200
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 1: was because the show had fallen out of the top

2201
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 1: ten and even the top twenty by this point, but.

2202
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 2: In truth, it was for a much more practical reason.

2203
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:46,400
Speaker 1: The sound stage where they filmed and caught on fire,

2204
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:49,880
Speaker 1: destroying a significant portion of the sets, and yet this

2205
01:57:50,040 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 1: wasn't the biggest catastrophe the producers had to contend with.

2206
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 1: They had already replaced two minor characters without announcement and

2207
01:57:56,760 --> 01:57:59,440
Speaker 1: had another die on them, But then tragedy struck with

2208
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:04,520
Speaker 1: their male Dick York. And now we finally get to

2209
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:08,520
Speaker 1: the Darren drama, also known as the Tale of the

2210
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 1: Two Dicks.

2211
01:58:09,400 --> 01:58:13,000
Speaker 2: Yes, it's funny. I'm I'm sorry, it's funny.

2212
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:15,920
Speaker 1: You know that Dick Sergent's real name is Dick Cox.

2213
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:21,320
Speaker 2: I did. It's true? Good for him. Yeah, I always

2214
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 2: was pressure to one of the guys who played Michael

2215
01:58:23,240 --> 01:58:29,640
Speaker 2: Myers a Dick Warlock. Oh wow, a hell of a name, man. Yeah,

2216
01:58:29,680 --> 01:58:31,640
Speaker 2: but he kind of looks like a wolf's dick. No,

2217
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:35,480
Speaker 2: does he low hanging fruit with that joke, But he's

2218
01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:36,320
Speaker 2: kind of gnarled.

2219
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 1: It's funny where you don't know what he looks like. Yeah,

2220
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:42,600
Speaker 1: this is extra funny to me because my dad's name Dick,

2221
01:58:42,680 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 1: and it was always an endless source of amusement for

2222
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:45,800
Speaker 1: me and my friends.

2223
01:58:46,120 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 2: Sorry, he's listening right now. I'm sure.

2224
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:49,320
Speaker 1: I hope he's aware of that. I assume he is.

2225
01:58:50,240 --> 01:58:51,800
Speaker 1: My middle name is Richard too. So a lot of

2226
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:55,240
Speaker 1: my close friends call me Dick. You don't though, No, no,

2227
01:58:55,320 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't.

2228
01:58:55,720 --> 01:58:56,640
Speaker 2: I'll let you sit with that.

2229
01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:03,320
Speaker 1: Yes, like all this section their dick, his back might

2230
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:08,160
Speaker 1: bewitch cast just got jacked delivered in the my neck,

2231
01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 1: my back, cadence.

2232
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 2: No, this is fine, this is fine. Okay, that's fine.

2233
01:59:12,040 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 1: So we teased this earlier, but Dick York arrived at

2234
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 1: his audition for Bewished with a secret He was nursing

2235
01:59:17,200 --> 01:59:21,240
Speaker 1: a deeply painful chronic back injury, which my father also has.

2236
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:23,720
Speaker 1: It began when he was making a nineteen fifty nine

2237
01:59:23,720 --> 01:59:27,760
Speaker 1: movie called They Came to Cadora, starring Gary Cooper and

2238
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:33,840
Speaker 1: Tab Hunter, another fascinating mid century figure Edrita Hayworth. Dick

2239
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:37,560
Speaker 1: York was on set operating a hand car along railway tracks.

2240
01:59:37,560 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 1: You know those things in like Thelony Tunes episodes, look

2241
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:41,960
Speaker 1: like see saws that you pop up and down.

2242
01:59:42,040 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2243
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:46,160
Speaker 1: When the director yelled cut, suddenly one of the extras

2244
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 1: reached up and pulled himself up on the opposite side

2245
01:59:49,120 --> 01:59:51,440
Speaker 1: that Dick was on by using the handle. But Dick

2246
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:54,040
Speaker 1: was about to lift up so, as he described it

2247
01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 1: in a nineteen ninety two interview with Film Facts Magazine.

2248
01:59:56,720 --> 01:59:59,520
Speaker 1: Instead of lifting up the expected weight, I was suddenly

2249
01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:02,960
Speaker 1: jarring lifting his entire weight off the flatbed one hundred

2250
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 1: and eighty pounds or so. The muscles alongside the right

2251
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:07,440
Speaker 1: side of my back tore.

2252
02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:09,200
Speaker 2: They just snapped and let loose.

2253
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:11,760
Speaker 1: And that was the start of it, all the pain,

2254
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 1: the painkillers, the addiction, the lost career. I didn't attend

2255
02:00:15,960 --> 02:00:18,560
Speaker 1: to the problem. Then I continued to work through it.

2256
02:00:19,680 --> 02:00:22,480
Speaker 1: His spine never healed correctly, and it basically meant he

2257
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:25,760
Speaker 1: was inexcruciating pain at all times. The disks in his

2258
02:00:25,840 --> 02:00:28,640
Speaker 1: spine slowly crumbled, and over the years he shrunk from

2259
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 1: six foot one to five foot ten. At the time,

2260
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,680
Speaker 1: there was no surgery to correct the problem, so Dick

2261
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:37,320
Speaker 1: York coped with an ever increasing dosage of pain killers.

2262
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,120
Speaker 1: This allowed him to work through the first four seasons

2263
02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:42,280
Speaker 1: of Bewitched, but over time they became less and less

2264
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:44,720
Speaker 1: able to keep up with the fourteen hour days and

2265
02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:46,160
Speaker 1: the physical demands of the roles.

2266
02:00:46,360 --> 02:00:48,160
Speaker 2: Very relied a lot on physical comedy.

2267
02:00:48,800 --> 02:00:51,000
Speaker 1: It got to the point where Darren Less scripts were

2268
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:53,800
Speaker 1: kept permanently on hand in case he wasn't well enough

2269
02:00:53,800 --> 02:00:56,280
Speaker 1: to work on any given week, fans of the show

2270
02:00:56,280 --> 02:00:58,800
Speaker 1: will notice to their round. Season three, Darren was traveling

2271
02:00:58,840 --> 02:01:01,280
Speaker 1: out of town on business great deal, and even when

2272
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:03,360
Speaker 1: he was home, a lot of setups were contrived to

2273
02:01:03,400 --> 02:01:06,440
Speaker 1: allow him to sit down or reclimb. They even built

2274
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:09,520
Speaker 1: an angled like wall perch seat thing for him to

2275
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:12,480
Speaker 1: sit on during takes, similar to what they did for

2276
02:01:12,520 --> 02:01:14,680
Speaker 1: the actor playing the Tin Man and the Wizard of Oz.

2277
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:17,120
Speaker 1: Because the costume didn't have any like knees or anything

2278
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:19,240
Speaker 1: able to allow him to bend. When he was in pain,

2279
02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:21,680
Speaker 1: he could barely walk, and when he was on pills

2280
02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:23,160
Speaker 1: he could baible to remember his lines.

2281
02:01:23,320 --> 02:01:26,040
Speaker 2: So all in all, this was less than ideal.

2282
02:01:28,560 --> 02:01:31,160
Speaker 1: And now we're at a section I like to call

2283
02:01:32,200 --> 02:01:33,680
Speaker 1: pulling their dick out.

2284
02:01:34,160 --> 02:01:35,320
Speaker 2: The incident.

2285
02:01:36,360 --> 02:01:44,720
Speaker 1: Matters with Dick came to a head in early sixty nine,

2286
02:01:47,680 --> 02:01:53,520
Speaker 1: though sadly not morehead, when the cast and crew were

2287
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:56,640
Speaker 1: hard at work on an episode called Seriously this is

2288
02:01:56,640 --> 02:01:59,280
Speaker 1: what it was called Dad, I can't say it.

2289
02:02:00,040 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 2: He does his thing.

2290
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:06,840
Speaker 1: He started the day sick and skipped lunch to see

2291
02:02:06,840 --> 02:02:09,680
Speaker 1: the doctor, who gave him a B twelve shot instead

2292
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:13,440
Speaker 1: of his usual novaque and in courtizone health in the sixties.

2293
02:02:14,920 --> 02:02:16,520
Speaker 1: He then had to come back and do a special

2294
02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:19,480
Speaker 1: effect shot that required him to be suspended fifteen feet

2295
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:20,000
Speaker 1: in the air.

2296
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,680
Speaker 2: This, plus the hot lights, the.

2297
02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:26,560
Speaker 1: Medication, and the exhaustion, not to mention the pain, it

2298
02:02:26,640 --> 02:02:29,840
Speaker 1: was all less than ideal. York tells the story in

2299
02:02:29,880 --> 02:02:33,720
Speaker 1: his autobiography, The Seesaw Girl and Me. I was too

2300
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 1: sick to go on. I had a temperature of one

2301
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:38,800
Speaker 1: hundred and five, was full of strong antibiotics for almost

2302
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:41,160
Speaker 1: ten days. I went to work that day, but I

2303
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:43,680
Speaker 1: was sick. I lay in my dressing room after being

2304
02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:46,480
Speaker 1: in makeup, waiting to be called on set. They knew

2305
02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:48,440
Speaker 1: I was feeling pretty rotten, and they tried to give

2306
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:51,320
Speaker 1: me time to rest. I kept having chills. It was

2307
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:52,880
Speaker 1: the middle of the summer and it was wearing a

2308
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:57,000
Speaker 1: sheepskin jacket, and I was chilling, shaking all over. Then,

2309
02:02:57,080 --> 02:02:59,720
Speaker 1: while sitting on a scaffolding with Maurice Evans being lit

2310
02:02:59,720 --> 02:03:02,520
Speaker 1: for a special effects scene, they were setting an inky.

2311
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,560
Speaker 1: It was a little tiny spotlight that was supposed to

2312
02:03:04,600 --> 02:03:08,240
Speaker 1: just be flickering over my eyes. That flick flickering, flickering

2313
02:03:08,280 --> 02:03:11,200
Speaker 1: made me feel weird. I was sitting on this platform

2314
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:12,960
Speaker 1: up in the air, and I turned to a friend

2315
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:14,560
Speaker 1: of mine on the site. He was just down below,

2316
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:16,920
Speaker 1: and I said, I think I have to get down.

2317
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:19,440
Speaker 1: He started to help me down, and that's the last

2318
02:03:19,480 --> 02:03:21,480
Speaker 1: thing I remember until I woke up on the floor.

2319
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:24,560
Speaker 1: That's about all I'll remember of the incident. I managed

2320
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:26,480
Speaker 1: to bite a very large hole in the side of

2321
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:29,320
Speaker 1: my tongue before they could pry my teeth apart. Oh,

2322
02:03:29,480 --> 02:03:32,760
Speaker 1: he basically had a seizure. Essentially, he was immediately rushed

2323
02:03:32,760 --> 02:03:36,200
Speaker 1: to the hospital, never to return to the Bewitch set again.

2324
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:39,360
Speaker 1: Bill Asher paid him a visit while he was recovering

2325
02:03:39,400 --> 02:03:40,960
Speaker 1: and asked him if he wanted to hang it up.

2326
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:45,600
Speaker 1: York replied, if it's all right with you, Billy, and

2327
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:48,480
Speaker 1: with that, Dick Yorke left the sitcom to devote himself

2328
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:51,440
Speaker 1: to his recovery. The only public comment he made at

2329
02:03:51,480 --> 02:03:53,680
Speaker 1: the time in relation to his departure from the series

2330
02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:57,680
Speaker 1: was to the Sacramento Bee in March of nineteen sixty nine.

2331
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:00,320
Speaker 1: Five years was Liz's husband on Bewitched. There are no

2332
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:02,680
Speaker 1: hard feelings. I just want a chance to do other

2333
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:07,960
Speaker 1: stage and movie roles. But privately, he was devastated describing

2334
02:04:07,960 --> 02:04:10,560
Speaker 1: his onset collapse as quote the worst day of my

2335
02:04:10,640 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 1: life because I felt like I'd failed everybody. It was

2336
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:16,600
Speaker 1: the only thing that I started that I didn't finish.

2337
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:19,480
Speaker 1: I felt so guilty and I felt embarrassed that I

2338
02:04:19,560 --> 02:04:20,560
Speaker 1: let everybody down.

2339
02:04:21,160 --> 02:04:25,280
Speaker 2: And now ran a section called dick swapping that is

2340
02:04:25,320 --> 02:04:28,520
Speaker 2: just so sad man. Oh it gets so much worse.

2341
02:04:28,920 --> 02:04:29,480
Speaker 2: Oh great.

2342
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:32,640
Speaker 1: The whole situation left Bill Asher in a tough spot.

2343
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:35,640
Speaker 1: They'd finished out the fifth season by filming Darren less

2344
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:37,560
Speaker 1: episodes and mixing them in with the ones that had

2345
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:39,960
Speaker 1: already shot with Dick York, so his absence seemed a

2346
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:44,160
Speaker 1: little less obvious, But once those aired, Asher considered canceling

2347
02:04:44,160 --> 02:04:47,680
Speaker 1: the show altogether. As we'll talk about Elizabeth Montgomery had

2348
02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:50,440
Speaker 1: already grown tired of doing it, but ratings were still high.

2349
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:52,600
Speaker 1: When she tried to quit after the end of the

2350
02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:55,280
Speaker 1: fifth season, the network responded by not only giving her

2351
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:57,880
Speaker 1: a pay raise, but offering her twenty percent share of

2352
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 1: the series and greater creative control. So the Beast had

2353
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:03,520
Speaker 1: to be fed. Though they were down a leading man,

2354
02:05:04,280 --> 02:05:06,520
Speaker 1: divorce was seen as out of the question, and killing

2355
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:09,680
Speaker 1: him off seemed a little too gothic. Especially considering Elizabeth

2356
02:05:09,680 --> 02:05:12,160
Speaker 1: Montgomery was now pregnant and they're about to have another

2357
02:05:12,160 --> 02:05:14,000
Speaker 1: baby on the show. It just seemed sad for it

2358
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:16,680
Speaker 1: to be a single mom whose husband.

2359
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:17,000
Speaker 2: Had just died.

2360
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:19,560
Speaker 1: So they decided to go with the least subtle solution

2361
02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:23,400
Speaker 1: and simply replaced dick Yorke with another actor with no explanation.

2362
02:05:23,720 --> 02:05:26,200
Speaker 1: Asher simply assumed that viewers would understand that this was

2363
02:05:26,240 --> 02:05:28,520
Speaker 1: an actor playing a role and they had to get

2364
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:32,200
Speaker 1: a new actor. It was a ruthlessly pragmatic decision, but

2365
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:35,560
Speaker 1: ultimately he decided that the best explanation was none at all.

2366
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:38,920
Speaker 1: In doing so, they birth the phenomenon known in TV

2367
02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:42,320
Speaker 1: circles as the Darren syndrome. It's happened a lot over

2368
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:45,480
Speaker 1: the years see Laurie from That seventy show, Bobby Draper

2369
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:48,280
Speaker 1: from mad Men, Chris and the Partridge Family, and many others.

2370
02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:51,640
Speaker 1: My favorite is Becky from Roseanne because they made constant

2371
02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:54,360
Speaker 1: jokes about it on the show. In one episode, the

2372
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:59,000
Speaker 1: family watched Bewitched on TV and the deputy Becky Sarah

2373
02:05:59,080 --> 02:06:01,600
Speaker 1: Chalk I think her name is, remarked that she preferred

2374
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:04,600
Speaker 1: the second Theren, because of course she did.

2375
02:06:04,920 --> 02:06:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah chalk Is from Scrubs, Rick and Morty. Oh yeah, yeah,

2376
02:06:08,760 --> 02:06:12,400
Speaker 2: and you're forgetting Aunt Viv from Fresh Prince of bel Air.

2377
02:06:12,720 --> 02:06:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I thought she was only in the first

2378
02:06:14,160 --> 02:06:16,560
Speaker 1: episode and then she and Will Smith had a big

2379
02:06:16,600 --> 02:06:17,200
Speaker 1: falling out.

2380
02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:20,360
Speaker 2: Well she was, Yeah, basically that's been the rumor. I thought.

2381
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:22,240
Speaker 1: She like literally has quoted and interviews of being like,

2382
02:06:22,280 --> 02:06:24,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to work with that all Will Smith.

2383
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:28,400
Speaker 2: Ever again, Yeah, she's claiming now that she was offered

2384
02:06:28,680 --> 02:06:31,200
Speaker 2: a really bad deal and also in an abusive marriage.

2385
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:33,839
Speaker 2: She did say that Smith got her fired at one point.

2386
02:06:34,200 --> 02:06:38,200
Speaker 2: Oh aw, but yeah, I don't know. Wacky. Yeah. The

2387
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:39,240
Speaker 2: Roseanne almost funny.

2388
02:06:39,280 --> 02:06:43,840
Speaker 1: I remember the first Becky came back like later on

2389
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:45,760
Speaker 1: for some reason. I think she left to go to college,

2390
02:06:45,760 --> 02:06:47,280
Speaker 1: and then when she was done, she came back to

2391
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:51,919
Speaker 1: the show. And whenever her character entered the room, Roseanne

2392
02:06:52,040 --> 02:06:54,000
Speaker 1: or whoever was in the room, John Gooman wouldever be like,

2393
02:06:54,200 --> 02:06:55,080
Speaker 1: where have you been?

2394
02:06:56,680 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 2: It is great? This is really funny.

2395
02:07:00,160 --> 02:07:03,160
Speaker 1: The obvious choice for Darren two point zero was Dick Sargeant,

2396
02:07:03,320 --> 02:07:05,880
Speaker 1: who not only bore a passic resemblance to York, but

2397
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:08,040
Speaker 1: it also been an early contender for the Roles. We

2398
02:07:08,160 --> 02:07:11,200
Speaker 1: mentioned he had a rough time getting integrated in the cast. However,

2399
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:14,520
Speaker 1: during his first read through, Agnes moorehead in Dora, who

2400
02:07:14,520 --> 02:07:17,160
Speaker 1: was very close to Dick York, stood up and announced

2401
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:21,160
Speaker 1: I don't like change, before sitting back down.

2402
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:23,160
Speaker 2: Me.

2403
02:07:23,880 --> 02:07:26,600
Speaker 1: That's probably why Sergeant would recall hear is a tough

2404
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:29,600
Speaker 1: old bird or tough old broad or something. Yeah, but

2405
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:32,839
Speaker 1: his relationship with Elizabeth Montgomery was better than hers with York's,

2406
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:35,480
Speaker 1: possibly because he was gay and they didn't have that

2407
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:39,920
Speaker 1: same weirdness that tainted her relationship with Dick York.

2408
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,480
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, I don't know.

2409
02:07:43,560 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 1: The first episode he films seemed to be a nod

2410
02:07:45,680 --> 02:07:50,720
Speaker 1: to the unusual circumstances called Samantha's Better Halves, and Dora

2411
02:07:50,920 --> 02:07:55,839
Speaker 1: splits Darren into two personalities, one gregarious and another all business,

2412
02:07:56,240 --> 02:07:58,560
Speaker 1: and Samantha can be heard moaning stuff like but I

2413
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:02,480
Speaker 1: only want one Darren, which is pretty on the nose.

2414
02:08:02,680 --> 02:08:04,200
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people who thought that

2415
02:08:04,280 --> 02:08:07,480
Speaker 1: the script was a jab from writers who were angry

2416
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:10,040
Speaker 1: that the producers hadn't stuck by Dick York and just

2417
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:12,680
Speaker 1: ended the series or tried to coax him back or something.

2418
02:08:13,480 --> 02:08:18,400
Speaker 1: Reviews for Dick Sergeant were tepid. As Variety wrote in

2419
02:08:18,440 --> 02:08:21,840
Speaker 1: case anyone noticed, and assuredly a large number did, Hubby

2420
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:24,840
Speaker 1: Darren is not quite the same as before. That's because

2421
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:27,280
Speaker 1: he used to be Dick York and now he's Dick Sergent.

2422
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:30,600
Speaker 1: Whether the unspoken change will be accepted by the audience

2423
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:33,320
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. Some might find it odd to

2424
02:08:33,320 --> 02:08:36,080
Speaker 1: see Samantha just as affectionate with a man who seemingly

2425
02:08:36,160 --> 02:08:40,680
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to her as a stranger. Generally, be Witch fans

2426
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:43,080
Speaker 1: tended to prefer Dick York, who portrayed Darren as a

2427
02:08:43,160 --> 02:08:45,720
Speaker 1: much more reactive and hysterical.

2428
02:08:45,120 --> 02:08:48,920
Speaker 2: Figure, rather than Sergeant, who was much more restrained. Uh.

2429
02:08:49,400 --> 02:08:52,400
Speaker 1: Dick Sergent would later act in a movie called Hardcore,

2430
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:55,840
Speaker 1: where George C. Scott discovers that his missing daughter is

2431
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:56,680
Speaker 1: doing porn.

2432
02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:00,000
Speaker 2: Have you heard of this? No? I haven't. Nineteen seventy nine.

2433
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:03,480
Speaker 2: Peter Boyle's in this. Paul Schrader wrote and directed it

2434
02:09:03,560 --> 02:09:05,600
Speaker 2: So music by Jack Nietzsche.

2435
02:09:06,040 --> 02:09:09,320
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, this is like hitting all the bases. The

2436
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:13,680
Speaker 1: Wikipedia intrograph is kind of nuts. It's plot follows a

2437
02:09:13,680 --> 02:09:18,000
Speaker 1: conservative Midwestern businessman whose teenage daughter goes missing. In California

2438
02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:20,760
Speaker 1: with the help of a prostitute. His search leads him

2439
02:09:20,760 --> 02:09:24,680
Speaker 1: to the illicit subculture of pornography inclording snuff films.

2440
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:31,520
Speaker 2: Schrader developed it with John Millius. It all comes back, ye, judge,

2441
02:09:31,800 --> 02:09:33,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

2442
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:36,520
Speaker 1: The poster is incredible. It's just the phrase, oh my god,

2443
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:39,880
Speaker 1: that's my daughter over black text with George C. Scott

2444
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:42,320
Speaker 1: in the lower corner with his head in his hands.

2445
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:45,200
Speaker 2: It is funny because he's making He does that exact

2446
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:52,240
Speaker 2: same thing an Exorcist three in like twenty one years later. Uh,

2447
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:52,920
Speaker 2: he's up there.

2448
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:55,360
Speaker 1: With Michael Kaine in terms of like, was it pay

2449
02:09:55,960 --> 02:09:56,360
Speaker 1: I'll do it?

2450
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think he was drunk for a lot

2451
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:02,760
Speaker 2: of it. Yeah. Originally born Baby was in this oh

2452
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:05,640
Speaker 2: weird as the Jersey Sky character.

2453
02:10:05,960 --> 02:10:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah's he couldn't pull off conservative Midwestern dad.

2454
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:14,960
Speaker 2: In his contract, George C. Scott stipulated the production include

2455
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:17,960
Speaker 2: five break days for the actor due to his drinking

2456
02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:21,080
Speaker 2: problem at the time. Yeah, I have I've got a

2457
02:10:21,160 --> 02:10:21,879
Speaker 2: drinking problem.

2458
02:10:21,880 --> 02:10:25,000
Speaker 1: Can I have like five days off? It was a

2459
02:10:24,760 --> 02:10:25,760
Speaker 1: week or a month.

2460
02:10:26,240 --> 02:10:29,840
Speaker 2: I need about five days off for I assume per month,

2461
02:10:30,080 --> 02:10:33,640
Speaker 2: just for the odd bender God love him. Five break

2462
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:36,400
Speaker 2: days built in essentially, I guess if he was too

2463
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:39,200
Speaker 2: hungover up to work. It was like it was like

2464
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:42,200
Speaker 2: vacation days. It was rolling over. Anyway, this gets so

2465
02:10:42,280 --> 02:10:45,760
Speaker 2: much worse. Yeah, it does bad reviews with the least

2466
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:48,840
Speaker 2: that God and her infinite cruelty had in store for

2467
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:51,360
Speaker 2: Dick York. He was more or less on his back

2468
02:10:51,400 --> 02:10:54,200
Speaker 2: for a year due to a combination of prescription prescription

2469
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,800
Speaker 2: that's kind of funny word. He was more or less

2470
02:10:56,840 --> 02:10:58,400
Speaker 2: on his back for a year due to a combination

2471
02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:01,640
Speaker 2: of prescription drug abuse and pain. He dropped pills cold

2472
02:11:01,680 --> 02:11:05,000
Speaker 2: turkey in nineteen seventy one, though, which is not generally

2473
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:09,160
Speaker 2: the preferred way to drop anything. I'm told. He moved

2474
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:11,280
Speaker 2: in with his mother to spare his wife the sight

2475
02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:15,880
Speaker 2: of his ongoing suffering, describing his withdrawal process to the

2476
02:11:16,040 --> 02:11:18,400
Speaker 2: La Times as six months of hell. I had a

2477
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:21,920
Speaker 2: band playing in my head bagpipes night and day. It

2478
02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:24,280
Speaker 2: just went on and on and on and on and on.

2479
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:26,920
Speaker 2: The fans whisper to you, and the walls whisper to you.

2480
02:11:26,960 --> 02:11:29,160
Speaker 2: And you look at the television and sometimes it flashes

2481
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:30,760
Speaker 2: in a certain way that sends you into a fit,

2482
02:11:30,840 --> 02:11:32,880
Speaker 2: and you know that your wife has put her hand

2483
02:11:32,880 --> 02:11:34,560
Speaker 2: in your mouth so you won't bite off your tongue.

2484
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:37,640
Speaker 2: You can't sleep, you hallucinate. I used to make a

2485
02:11:37,640 --> 02:11:39,360
Speaker 2: tape recording of rain so I could listen to the

2486
02:11:39,440 --> 02:11:41,280
Speaker 2: rain lying in bed at night, to drown out those

2487
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:44,480
Speaker 2: damned bagpipes. That sounds like hell on earth. I love

2488
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:48,960
Speaker 2: the Scottish. I love bagpipes, but a tattoo, I gotta say, man,

2489
02:11:49,080 --> 02:11:51,040
Speaker 2: I was pretty goddamn sick of them after like two

2490
02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:57,560
Speaker 2: days in Scotland. I can't image image of you in Scotland.

2491
02:11:58,000 --> 02:11:59,880
Speaker 2: I hadn't no idea you've ever gone to Scotland. That's

2492
02:12:00,040 --> 02:12:03,000
Speaker 2: that's pretty hilarious to me. For some reason. H Glasgow

2493
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:04,800
Speaker 2: and Edinburgh was part of like a cruise around the

2494
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 2: northern UK. Whoa, it seems like something I'd be into.

2495
02:12:08,800 --> 02:12:11,000
Speaker 2: It was fun. I just mostly that's where I really

2496
02:12:11,000 --> 02:12:13,600
Speaker 2: fell in love with Ireland. I didn't know that. Oh

2497
02:12:13,720 --> 02:12:17,120
Speaker 2: so yeah, I couldn't drink though. That was I could

2498
02:12:17,200 --> 02:12:18,960
Speaker 2: drink there, but I couldn't drink on the boat. That

2499
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:24,240
Speaker 2: was the drag. Anyway. That is a truly horrific withdrawal story.

2500
02:12:24,360 --> 02:12:28,400
Speaker 2: But once again things got worse. Yeah. After that, York

2501
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:32,040
Speaker 2: found himself relieved when the hallucinations stopped, but then the

2502
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:36,160
Speaker 2: ordinary pain returned. He was rendered unable to act beyond

2503
02:12:36,160 --> 02:12:38,840
Speaker 2: small bit parts because his teeth had rotted out due

2504
02:12:38,880 --> 02:12:42,000
Speaker 2: to his drug abuse, and with limited residuals from bewitched,

2505
02:12:42,240 --> 02:12:44,480
Speaker 2: York took his savings and bought an apartment building in

2506
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:46,760
Speaker 2: West Covina. The plan was to live out the rest

2507
02:12:46,760 --> 02:12:48,880
Speaker 2: of his days there, but it didn't quite happen that way,

2508
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:53,160
Speaker 2: because when tenants had difficulty paying their rent, York refused

2509
02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:57,080
Speaker 2: to evict them, seemingly recalling the similar circumstances of his

2510
02:12:57,120 --> 02:13:00,240
Speaker 2: own youth. This caused him, however, to fall behind on

2511
02:13:00,280 --> 02:13:03,680
Speaker 2: his mortgage payments, and the bank foreclosed. York and his

2512
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:06,640
Speaker 2: wife ended up cleaning units in the building they once

2513
02:13:06,760 --> 02:13:09,920
Speaker 2: owned in order to make ends meet, and by nineteen

2514
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 2: seventy six they were living on welfare checks. Three packa

2515
02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:17,200
Speaker 2: day smoker, York developed emphysema started wearing an oxygen canister.

2516
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:20,440
Speaker 2: When his wife's father died, they flew home to the

2517
02:13:20,440 --> 02:13:23,760
Speaker 2: small town of Rockford, Michigan, and while there, he collapsed

2518
02:13:23,800 --> 02:13:25,560
Speaker 2: in the yard of his in law's home due to

2519
02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:30,080
Speaker 2: his emphysema. York never returned to California, instead moved into

2520
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:32,640
Speaker 2: the home that his father in law had recently vacated

2521
02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:35,600
Speaker 2: after dying. And it was there in this tiny red

2522
02:13:35,640 --> 02:13:40,080
Speaker 2: bungalow that bedridden slowly dying of emphysema and surviving on

2523
02:13:40,160 --> 02:13:41,960
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty dollars a month from the Screen

2524
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:45,960
Speaker 2: Actors Guild, that York embarked on his later life career

2525
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:50,879
Speaker 2: end of life career as just a saint. He started.

2526
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:53,600
Speaker 2: It started with a friend asking him to record an

2527
02:13:53,680 --> 02:13:56,720
Speaker 2: inspirational message for a young girl who was comatosed, and

2528
02:13:56,840 --> 02:13:58,960
Speaker 2: gradually he started doing more and more of these tapes

2529
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:02,560
Speaker 2: for others who were home. This eventually blossomed into a

2530
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:05,680
Speaker 2: full scale crusade to help the homeless, which was a

2531
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:08,560
Speaker 2: cause near and dear to his heart given his impoverished upbringing.

2532
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:12,560
Speaker 2: During the Great Depression, York found an organization called Acting

2533
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:16,120
Speaker 2: for Life, which he ran from his living room, calling politicians,

2534
02:14:16,160 --> 02:14:19,520
Speaker 2: business people, and the general public to contribute supplies, money,

2535
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:22,440
Speaker 2: and sleeping bags. He even tried to pressure Congress to

2536
02:14:22,520 --> 02:14:26,520
Speaker 2: convert dozens of military bases recently scheduled for abandonment by

2537
02:14:26,520 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 2: a federal commission into homeless shelters. At one point, he

2538
02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:34,000
Speaker 2: was also active in trying to save a whale trapped

2539
02:14:34,080 --> 02:14:38,680
Speaker 2: in ice. I'm just now learning. Despite the circumstances of

2540
02:14:38,680 --> 02:14:42,520
Speaker 2: his life, York preached optimism. I've been blessed, he told

2541
02:14:42,520 --> 02:14:45,640
Speaker 2: a reporter. I have no complaints. I've been surrounded by

2542
02:14:45,680 --> 02:14:48,400
Speaker 2: people in radio, on stage, and in motion pictures and

2543
02:14:48,440 --> 02:14:51,000
Speaker 2: television who love me. The things that have gone wrong

2544
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:54,400
Speaker 2: have simply been physical things. And he told another one

2545
02:14:54,520 --> 02:14:56,280
Speaker 2: in what is a quote that will haunt me for

2546
02:14:56,320 --> 02:14:59,240
Speaker 2: the rest of my days? I feel wonderful. It's just

2547
02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:03,360
Speaker 2: my body that's dying. In nineteen eighty nine, People magazine

2548
02:15:03,360 --> 02:15:05,960
Speaker 2: did a big profile on him, and we're just going

2549
02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:08,320
Speaker 2: to quote it in full because we love to see

2550
02:15:08,320 --> 02:15:12,400
Speaker 2: you suffer. A few miles outside Grand Rapids mission and

2551
02:15:12,400 --> 02:15:14,880
Speaker 2: I put on my podcast or voice for it. A

2552
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:17,640
Speaker 2: few miles outside Grand Rapids, Michigan, stands a small red

2553
02:15:17,680 --> 02:15:20,720
Speaker 2: house with a flat roof. Inside the cramped living room,

2554
02:15:20,840 --> 02:15:23,600
Speaker 2: a man dressed in a bathrobe, slippers, and knee socks

2555
02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:27,120
Speaker 2: talks animatedly while a hose feeds oxygen to his depleted lungs.

2556
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:31,200
Speaker 2: His tall, once robust frame is now fragile, the result

2557
02:15:31,200 --> 02:15:34,800
Speaker 2: of a degenerating spine. When he tries to walk and

2558
02:15:34,840 --> 02:15:38,680
Speaker 2: Fisima leaves him breathless after three steps. But when he speaks,

2559
02:15:38,840 --> 02:15:41,680
Speaker 2: it is with a clear, strong, and very familiar voice,

2560
02:15:42,160 --> 02:15:45,080
Speaker 2: the voice of Dick York, who played Darren Stevens, a

2561
02:15:45,200 --> 02:15:48,440
Speaker 2: mortal married to a witch on the popular sixties sitcom Bewitched.

2562
02:15:49,080 --> 02:15:51,960
Speaker 2: Reports are I'm dying, he says. Tethered to a twenty

2563
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:57,120
Speaker 2: five foot oxygen lifeline, York, sixty, hasn't been outside since July. Physically,

2564
02:15:57,160 --> 02:15:59,400
Speaker 2: his world, which once included a six figure income in

2565
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:01,960
Speaker 2: a house in the Hallwood Hills, has been reduced largely

2566
02:16:02,040 --> 02:16:05,160
Speaker 2: to this green walled room. And yet, after a twenty

2567
02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:07,880
Speaker 2: year downslide during which he battled an addiction to painkillers,

2568
02:16:08,120 --> 02:16:10,160
Speaker 2: saw the bank foreclothes in the apartment building that was

2569
02:16:10,160 --> 02:16:12,920
Speaker 2: his only asset, and ended up living on welfare, York

2570
02:16:13,000 --> 02:16:14,920
Speaker 2: is filled by the boundless energy of a man with

2571
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:18,680
Speaker 2: a cause. Encouraged by Joan, his wife of thirty seven years,

2572
02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:22,920
Speaker 2: and using his second lifeline, the phone, York has worked

2573
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:25,880
Speaker 2: furiously to gather aid for the needy. There is no

2574
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:29,680
Speaker 2: program drug addiction homelessness that I would not give whatever

2575
02:16:29,720 --> 02:16:33,120
Speaker 2: I can, says York. I'm fortunate I still have my voice.

2576
02:16:33,600 --> 02:16:36,119
Speaker 2: He continued, I must be crazy to think that one

2577
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:37,800
Speaker 2: guy with a hose up his nose, living on a

2578
02:16:37,800 --> 02:16:39,600
Speaker 2: six hundred and fifty dollars a month pension in this

2579
02:16:39,640 --> 02:16:42,080
Speaker 2: little house in Michigan can make a difference, says Yorke,

2580
02:16:42,280 --> 02:16:47,560
Speaker 2: trying to laugh. But you know I'm not crazy. As evidence,

2581
02:16:47,640 --> 02:16:50,120
Speaker 2: he describes the three hundred sleeping bags he rounded up

2582
02:16:50,120 --> 02:16:52,880
Speaker 2: for the homeless in Chicago and Detroit, the five thousand

2583
02:16:52,959 --> 02:16:55,520
Speaker 2: cans of grapefruitus he helped deliver to the Dwelling Place

2584
02:16:55,560 --> 02:16:58,680
Speaker 2: Project for the Homeless and Grand Rapids, the twelve thousand

2585
02:16:58,680 --> 02:17:02,360
Speaker 2: surplus Navy jackets he had to shelters in Chicago. He

2586
02:17:02,480 --> 02:17:06,000
Speaker 2: is also content, say the Yorks. There's no difference in

2587
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:08,480
Speaker 2: how things are today from when we were in Hollywood,

2588
02:17:08,520 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 2: says Joan. It's all been thrilling and it still is.

2589
02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:14,480
Speaker 2: They say, the show goes on, it may just be

2590
02:17:14,520 --> 02:17:20,160
Speaker 2: a different performance. Ouch though their kids have scattered, Dick

2591
02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:23,040
Speaker 2: says he feels the warmth of their support. My dad

2592
02:17:23,040 --> 02:17:25,600
Speaker 2: helped people his whole life, says son Matthew, who now

2593
02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:28,920
Speaker 2: lives in Covina, California. I wouldn't expect anything else from him.

2594
02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:32,880
Speaker 2: Looking back, Matthew adds, our poorest time financially was our

2595
02:17:32,959 --> 02:17:38,120
Speaker 2: richest in love. I don't love things, Dick explains, a

2596
02:17:38,200 --> 02:17:41,920
Speaker 2: flower the sky people, they're different, but I don't have

2597
02:17:41,959 --> 02:17:45,640
Speaker 2: strong ties to my grandmother's teacup, or to anyone else's teacups,

2598
02:17:45,680 --> 02:17:48,279
Speaker 2: or blankets or boots, all the worldly goods he passes

2599
02:17:48,320 --> 02:17:50,520
Speaker 2: on to the needy. I don't know how I do it,

2600
02:17:50,560 --> 02:17:54,000
Speaker 2: he admits, it just gets done. I have one rule.

2601
02:17:54,360 --> 02:17:56,200
Speaker 2: Don't give me anything you don't want me to give away.

2602
02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:00,240
Speaker 2: Three years after that profile was published, Dick York died

2603
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:06,680
Speaker 2: of emphysema in February of nineteen ninety two. Jesus Christ Jordan.

2604
02:18:07,160 --> 02:18:11,480
Speaker 1: The only time we broke was mister Roger's episode, I believe.

2605
02:18:11,520 --> 02:18:15,760
Speaker 1: But this is a close second. Yes, that's a rough one.

2606
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:19,080
Speaker 2: The line from like a deposed actress. They say the

2607
02:18:19,120 --> 02:18:22,080
Speaker 2: show must go on, but maybe it's just a different

2608
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:26,640
Speaker 2: performance that is horrifying, like that should have been in

2609
02:18:26,680 --> 02:18:28,200
Speaker 2: Sunset Boulevard.

2610
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:31,439
Speaker 1: Whoof which I saw on Broadway and it was incredible.

2611
02:18:31,480 --> 02:18:33,000
Speaker 1: By the way, is the best thing I've ever seen

2612
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:34,039
Speaker 1: on Broadway.

2613
02:18:33,840 --> 02:18:37,400
Speaker 2: Pussycat Doll, The Whole Share Singer, and Eddie Murphy Baby.

2614
02:18:37,400 --> 02:18:42,240
Speaker 1: Mama, No, She's not an Eddie Murphy baby. That's racist,

2615
02:18:43,240 --> 02:18:46,880
Speaker 1: just wrong, right, I cut that. All right, Let's bring this,

2616
02:18:46,959 --> 02:18:51,600
Speaker 1: let's land this plane. Man one am for you. The

2617
02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:54,000
Speaker 1: Witch dropped from number eleven in the ratings said number

2618
02:18:54,000 --> 02:18:57,120
Speaker 1: twenty four in nineteen seventy. Some of this was a

2619
02:18:57,160 --> 02:18:59,600
Speaker 1: negative response to Dick Sergeant, but it was also a

2620
02:18:59,640 --> 02:19:01,199
Speaker 1: result of changing tastes.

2621
02:19:01,959 --> 02:19:03,520
Speaker 2: Shows like All in the Family were.

2622
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:05,400
Speaker 1: Coming along, paving the way for a new type of

2623
02:19:05,400 --> 02:19:09,400
Speaker 1: sitcom that reflected reality instead of a fantastical, idealized family

2624
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:11,959
Speaker 1: that didn't really exist. Bewitch was the last of the

2625
02:19:11,959 --> 02:19:14,959
Speaker 1: so called fantasy sitcoms that premiered in the mid sixties,

2626
02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:17,840
Speaker 1: the Adams Family and the Monsters, which only lasted two

2627
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,880
Speaker 1: years from sixty four to sixty six, and Odrew of Genie,

2628
02:19:20,879 --> 02:19:25,000
Speaker 1: which wrapped in nineteen seventy. Also after eight years, everyone

2629
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:28,520
Speaker 1: associated with Bewitched was kind of getting tired of it.

2630
02:19:29,080 --> 02:19:32,680
Speaker 1: The writers had resorted to recycling premises in even repeating

2631
02:19:32,760 --> 02:19:35,640
Speaker 1: much of the same dialogue. They started doing this with

2632
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:37,879
Speaker 1: episodes that were filmed in black and white before the

2633
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:40,040
Speaker 1: show was shot in color in the third season, so

2634
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:42,280
Speaker 1: I think they kind of viewed it as like remakes

2635
02:19:42,360 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 1: with you know, beautiful technicolor, and then once Dick Sargent

2636
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:48,560
Speaker 1: into the picture, there was all the more reason to

2637
02:19:48,600 --> 02:19:51,800
Speaker 1: have remix because now they got a whole new actor. Also,

2638
02:19:51,879 --> 02:19:53,480
Speaker 1: this was back in the era when they crammed like

2639
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:55,440
Speaker 1: thirty episodes into a season, which.

2640
02:19:55,280 --> 02:19:56,320
Speaker 2: Is kind of insane.

2641
02:19:57,240 --> 02:19:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it kind of makes sense that they were

2642
02:19:59,360 --> 02:20:02,080
Speaker 1: like trying to cut corners. But no one was more

2643
02:20:02,080 --> 02:20:05,720
Speaker 1: tired of Bewitched than Elizabeth Montgomery. As were previously mentioned,

2644
02:20:05,720 --> 02:20:07,879
Speaker 1: she tried to quit the show after season five, but

2645
02:20:07,959 --> 02:20:11,720
Speaker 1: ABC offered her the world, and so she signed on

2646
02:20:11,800 --> 02:20:13,320
Speaker 1: for another five seasons.

2647
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:16,279
Speaker 2: But she appeared visibly bored.

2648
02:20:15,959 --> 02:20:19,080
Speaker 1: In these later episodes, which is kind of hilarious to watch.

2649
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:22,199
Speaker 1: Bewitched historian Yes there is such a thing, and author

2650
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:25,879
Speaker 1: Herbie Pilato is quoted as saying Elizabeth was tired of

2651
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,480
Speaker 1: Bewitched and tried to quit the fifth season, but ABC

2652
02:20:28,560 --> 02:20:31,360
Speaker 1: offered hers so much money she couldn't refuse. But you

2653
02:20:31,360 --> 02:20:33,600
Speaker 1: can see by the final season that she's plodding through

2654
02:20:33,640 --> 02:20:37,520
Speaker 1: each episode brawless as a nod the Women's liberation and

2655
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:41,560
Speaker 1: didn't want to be there. In addition to being creatively unfulfilling,

2656
02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:44,200
Speaker 1: the set was tense because her relationship with husband William

2657
02:20:44,200 --> 02:20:48,680
Speaker 1: Asher was deteriorating. He apparently slept around a lot, and

2658
02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:51,920
Speaker 1: Elizabeth started an affair with the show's director, Richard Michaels,

2659
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:57,680
Speaker 1: which that's a risky, risky move to Minefield. Husban produced

2660
02:20:57,680 --> 02:20:59,959
Speaker 1: the show having an affair with the director of the show,

2661
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:04,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like a French farce. By the time

2662
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:06,760
Speaker 1: the last season of Bewitch wrapped in nineteen seventy two,

2663
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:09,920
Speaker 1: there was still two years on the contract, but Sdbuwish

2664
02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:13,720
Speaker 1: historian Harvey Palato says everyone thinks ABC canceled the show

2665
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:16,880
Speaker 1: because of low ratings, but Elizabeth Montgomery canceled the show.

2666
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:20,160
Speaker 1: When the final episode was broadcast on March twenty fifth,

2667
02:21:20,280 --> 02:21:23,760
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, it had fallen to number seventy two

2668
02:21:23,840 --> 02:21:27,200
Speaker 1: in the ratings. All concerned decided it was time to

2669
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:30,040
Speaker 1: move on after eight years and two hundred and fifty

2670
02:21:30,080 --> 02:21:33,640
Speaker 1: four episodes. To make up for the final two years

2671
02:21:33,640 --> 02:21:36,800
Speaker 1: on the contract, Bill Asher offered up a sitcom starring

2672
02:21:36,840 --> 02:21:40,000
Speaker 1: Paul lynd my beloved Paul Lynde with the less than

2673
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:43,039
Speaker 1: imaginative title The Paul Lynn Show, and they even used

2674
02:21:43,080 --> 02:21:44,560
Speaker 1: some of the same sets and a lot of the

2675
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:47,640
Speaker 1: same bit players from Bewitched. The show made a play

2676
02:21:47,720 --> 02:21:50,000
Speaker 1: for social relevance with an all in the family style

2677
02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:53,400
Speaker 1: generation gap plot where Lynn's daughter and her slacker husband

2678
02:21:53,480 --> 02:21:57,080
Speaker 1: moved him with Paul moved him with lynd But they

2679
02:21:57,160 --> 02:22:00,320
Speaker 1: lacked any discussion of topical issues, and so it just

2680
02:22:00,400 --> 02:22:03,520
Speaker 1: didn't have any degree of social realism and it really

2681
02:22:03,800 --> 02:22:04,959
Speaker 1: tanked when it premiered.

2682
02:22:05,000 --> 02:22:06,760
Speaker 2: It's like one of the great TV flops.

2683
02:22:07,360 --> 02:22:10,640
Speaker 1: A lot of it is because Paul's stick kind of

2684
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:13,400
Speaker 1: started grading on people, like, you know, a little paul

2685
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:14,480
Speaker 1: In goes a long.

2686
02:22:14,320 --> 02:22:16,000
Speaker 2: Way, Ain't that the truth? Brother.

2687
02:22:16,280 --> 02:22:19,560
Speaker 1: He couldn't anchor a series, so it was canceled after

2688
02:22:19,560 --> 02:22:20,320
Speaker 1: its first season.

2689
02:22:20,560 --> 02:22:23,160
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Montgomery, for her part, wanted to get as far

2690
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:26,880
Speaker 2: away from Samantha Stevens as was humanly possible, and thus

2691
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:30,400
Speaker 2: she became the Queen of TV movies, ultimately racking up

2692
02:22:30,400 --> 02:22:33,800
Speaker 2: eight Emmy nominations. She played a sexual assault victim in

2693
02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:37,199
Speaker 2: the unimaginably titled A Case of Rape and an axe

2694
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:40,320
Speaker 2: killer in the Legend of Lizzie Borden, which was fitting

2695
02:22:40,320 --> 02:22:43,080
Speaker 2: because it was later revealed that she was distantly related

2696
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:46,520
Speaker 2: to Lizzie bordon That's cool. Yeah. She also appeared in

2697
02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:50,000
Speaker 2: the police drama alongside OJ Simpson as two detectives who

2698
02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:53,240
Speaker 2: are romantically involved, this one with the slightly better title

2699
02:22:53,520 --> 02:22:56,600
Speaker 2: A Killing Affair, OJ Simpson, Yeah, that guy got away

2700
02:22:56,640 --> 02:22:59,720
Speaker 2: with murder. Funnily enough, she had a gallery wall filled

2701
02:22:59,720 --> 02:23:02,600
Speaker 2: with from all of her movies, but none from Bewitched.

2702
02:23:02,760 --> 02:23:04,960
Speaker 2: Although she was very kind to fans and always answered

2703
02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:08,720
Speaker 2: her fan mail personally, Elizabeth Montgomery was by all accounts,

2704
02:23:08,760 --> 02:23:12,000
Speaker 2: a pretty neat lady. Aside from her acting, she worked

2705
02:23:12,000 --> 02:23:14,640
Speaker 2: tirelessly for animal rights causes and used her stature to

2706
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:16,960
Speaker 2: take a stand for feminist platforms like the Equal Rights

2707
02:23:17,000 --> 02:23:19,879
Speaker 2: Amendment and reproductive rights. She was also one of the

2708
02:23:19,920 --> 02:23:23,080
Speaker 2: first stars to support AIDS victims and campaigned for gay rights,

2709
02:23:23,080 --> 02:23:26,640
Speaker 2: which many in the LGBT community felt was an undercurrent

2710
02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:29,880
Speaker 2: of the show. In a nineteen ninety two interview, Montgomery

2711
02:23:29,879 --> 02:23:32,959
Speaker 2: was asked if Bewitched was an allegory about closeted homosexuality.

2712
02:23:33,400 --> 02:23:35,720
Speaker 2: She answered, don't think that didn't enter our minds. At

2713
02:23:35,760 --> 02:23:38,320
Speaker 2: the time. We talked about it on the set that

2714
02:23:38,440 --> 02:23:40,440
Speaker 2: this was about people not being allowed to be who

2715
02:23:40,440 --> 02:23:43,080
Speaker 2: they really are. If you think about it, Bewitched is

2716
02:23:43,080 --> 02:23:45,879
Speaker 2: about repression in general and all the frustration in trouble

2717
02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:49,040
Speaker 2: it can cause. She was co grand Marshal for the

2718
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:52,000
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two Gay Pride Parade in Los Angeles, alongside

2719
02:23:52,040 --> 02:23:56,200
Speaker 2: her former co star, a newly out Dick Sergeant. When

2720
02:23:56,240 --> 02:24:00,560
Speaker 2: asked why, she offered the possibly apocryphal reply, I did

2721
02:24:00,600 --> 02:24:05,120
Speaker 2: it for the love of Dick, well for applause.

2722
02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:10,280
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Montgomery was filming Deadline for Murder in the spring

2723
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:12,680
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety five when she started to feel sick.

2724
02:24:13,440 --> 02:24:15,440
Speaker 1: She assumed it was just the flu and waited until

2725
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:18,440
Speaker 1: shooting Rap to go to the doctor's. It turned out

2726
02:24:18,520 --> 02:24:22,199
Speaker 1: that it was colon cancer. Ope, I don't have colon cancer.

2727
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:29,440
Speaker 2: But coughs into a napkin spotted with blood. Yeah.

2728
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:32,520
Speaker 1: I don't really understand how the symptoms relate, but by

2729
02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:35,640
Speaker 1: this point the disease was inop. I sometimes I have

2730
02:24:35,640 --> 02:24:37,959
Speaker 1: trouble like regulating Mike cadence of.

2731
02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

2732
02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:42,120
Speaker 1: By this point, the disease was inoperable, and she opted

2733
02:24:42,120 --> 02:24:45,199
Speaker 1: to return home to her twenty sixth room Beverly Hills Mansion,

2734
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:47,680
Speaker 1: where she jokingly requested a Pina.

2735
02:24:47,400 --> 02:24:49,840
Speaker 2: Colada IV drip. Funny Lady.

2736
02:24:50,600 --> 02:24:53,200
Speaker 1: She sent her family away from her deathbed, preferring the

2737
02:24:53,240 --> 02:24:57,760
Speaker 1: dialge just six weeks after the diagnosis. She didn't want

2738
02:24:57,760 --> 02:25:00,440
Speaker 1: anyone to see her that way, recalled ex husband William Masher,

2739
02:25:00,520 --> 02:25:04,640
Speaker 1: with whom she remained friends. Then she slipped away, and

2740
02:25:04,680 --> 02:25:07,720
Speaker 1: Asher reportedly deeply regretted his affairs by the end of

2741
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:10,600
Speaker 1: his life and tearfully admitted to his friends, it was

2742
02:25:10,640 --> 02:25:12,920
Speaker 1: all my fault that we got divorced, and he never

2743
02:25:12,959 --> 02:25:19,680
Speaker 1: really got over her sad Yes, Montgomery was actually married

2744
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:22,560
Speaker 1: at the time of her death to former Falcon Crest

2745
02:25:22,600 --> 02:25:26,440
Speaker 1: star Robert Foxworth. They were together for twenty years before

2746
02:25:26,440 --> 02:25:29,320
Speaker 1: they got married just eighteen months before she died, but

2747
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:31,880
Speaker 1: she was such a private person that most obits said

2748
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:34,160
Speaker 1: she was single, and they got lots of other things

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02:25:34,200 --> 02:25:36,600
Speaker 1: wrong too. They listed her age as fifty seven rather

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Speaker 1: than sixty two and listed her name as Elizabeth A. Montgomery,

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that her actual middle name was Victoria,

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Speaker 1: as I mentioned earlier. Her final work to be aired

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Speaker 1: was a voiceover part as a barmaid on Your Beloved

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02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:56,200
Speaker 1: Batman the animated series. Television executives are more of the

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02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:59,400
Speaker 1: content to continue making a buck off the cooling corpse

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Speaker 1: of Bewitched. In nineteen seventy seven, just five years after

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Speaker 1: Bewitched went off the air, they launched the spin off

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02:26:06,400 --> 02:26:10,360
Speaker 1: Tabitha The Stars showed Lisa Hartman as Tabitha, the daughter

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02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:13,960
Speaker 1: of Samantha and Darren, who was also a witch. In reality,

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Speaker 1: with the timeline, Tabitha would have been about twelve, but

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Speaker 1: the series aged her up to her.

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Speaker 2: Early twenties to make it more appealing sexy. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: I guess there's more to do with a adult actress

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Speaker 1: than a teenage character.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Moving on, Tabitha's TV parents never guest starred on the show.

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Speaker 1: It's just probably for the best because it kind of

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Speaker 1: looks terrible and.

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Speaker 2: It lasted only a year. I think.

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Speaker 1: Over the ensuing decades, multiple networks have attempted to reanimate

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Speaker 1: the corpse of Bewitched. In twenty eleven, CBS ordered a

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Speaker 1: script for a be Witch remake from writer Mark Lawrence

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Speaker 1: and producers Douglas Wick and Lucy Fisher, the married duo

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Speaker 1: who also produced the two thousand and five film remake,

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Speaker 1: which we will pointedly not speak about. In twenty four

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Speaker 1: Routine NBC committed to a follow up series that would

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Speaker 1: have followed Samantha's granddaughter, but nothing happened with that, and

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02:27:06,200 --> 02:27:09,160
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen Blackish creator Can You Barrass salto be

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Speaker 1: Wished revamp? Mercifully, none of these have come the pass,

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02:27:13,240 --> 02:27:15,960
Speaker 1: although Sony apparently has an animated series in the works

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02:27:16,240 --> 02:27:19,959
Speaker 1: which focuses on Tabitha as a teenager, which sounds like

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02:27:20,040 --> 02:27:21,880
Speaker 1: bootleg Sabrina the teenage Witch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah who cares?

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Speaker 1: Yeah no, yeah, well it is the Witching Hour on

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02:27:27,520 --> 02:27:31,000
Speaker 1: the East Coast. I am sick and jet lagged and tired.

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02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:34,320
Speaker 1: We have done twenty four pages on this, folks. I

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02:27:34,360 --> 02:27:37,800
Speaker 1: have nothing left to say about Bewitched, so higl Instead,

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Speaker 1: before we sign off, let's discuss who could defeat God?

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02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Genie or Samantha.

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02:27:41,840 --> 02:27:45,520
Speaker 2: Tweeted us, using the hashtag which nineteen sixty sitcom Idol

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02:27:45,600 --> 02:27:52,600
Speaker 2: Supernatural Idol Supernatural Idol could find and kill God Lily Munster. No, no, no,

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02:27:52,680 --> 02:27:56,880
Speaker 2: we got a limited the Geni or Samantha Mortisia Adams. Yeah,

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02:27:57,600 --> 02:28:01,680
Speaker 2: the car and my mother of the car M M.

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02:28:02,200 --> 02:28:11,800
Speaker 2: Gilligan by accident. Uh, the racist boss from Bewitched. God

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Speaker 2: has turned black for an episode and so furious mister

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02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:20,039
Speaker 2: Brockway I believe his name was killed God using a

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Speaker 2: suit of armor forged by the KKK. I just gave

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Speaker 2: so many Southern people ideas for fanfic. I can really

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Speaker 2: apologize for that well in this episode that veered from

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Speaker 2: some of our I hope you will, folks all have

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02:28:33,720 --> 02:28:36,560
Speaker 2: fun listening to this episode, which sworned to new heights

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Speaker 2: of distracted googling and plunge to new depths of absolute

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02:28:41,480 --> 02:28:46,320
Speaker 2: human suffering. Thanks for listening. Has been too much information.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing here, and I'm Alex Hagel,

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Speaker 2: I'm Jordan Talk. We'll catch you next time. Too Much

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Speaker 2: Information was a production of iHeartRadio. The show's executive producers

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02:29:03,360 --> 02:29:06,840
Speaker 2: are Noel Brown and Jordan Runtog. The show's supervising producer

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Speaker 2: is Michael Alder June. The show was researched, written and

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Speaker 2: hosted by Jordan Runtog and Alex.

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Speaker 1: Heigel, with original music by Seth Applebaum and the Ghost

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