1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: Hey Elizabeth, what are you doing? 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 3: I'm just hanging out. 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: So I got another question for you. Yeah, Hey, are 5 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: those new shoes? 6 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: No? 7 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 2: No, I got another question for you. You know it's ridiculous. 8 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have an answer for that one. Okay, what now, 9 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 3: quick question before I get into it. Are you like 10 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 3: me where you don't show up empty handed when you 11 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 3: go to someone's house? 12 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, guess. 13 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 3: And you have to bring like a hostess gift or 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 3: you know, or a host gift, depending on who you 15 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 3: know who you're visiting. But the thing is is that 16 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 3: sometimes it's hard to figure out what to bring. You know, 17 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 3: flowers is always good. 18 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: You can't go with the old standard of wine anymore 19 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 2: because not a lot of people drink as much people drink. 20 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 3: And sometimes people feel the obligation if they've already come 21 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: up with this meal, that they have a wine pairing, 22 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: and they feel the obligation to open. But I have 23 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: I have a solution for you, and it does involve wine. 24 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm listening to. 25 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 3: You bring this very special wine and it's you stop it. 26 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: Why I walk right into every time? Go ahead? 27 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 3: It is called mayonnaise blanc and it comes from Helman's. 28 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,279 Speaker 3: And if you're thinking like mayonnaise. 29 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: Wine, no, I'm not thinking anything right now. 30 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: What in the heck I mean that sounds like toilet 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 3: wine or pruno. 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: Like pretty much it sounds like something which yeah. 33 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: No, no zaren the good folks at Unilever North America. 34 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 4: Oh they came up with this. 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: It's actually it's actually really clever. It makes so yeah, yeah, 36 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: and mayonnaise. But what I love the most is just 37 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: how clever this is. So you show up and you 38 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: have this bottle of wine, yes, and it says zero 39 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: percent ABV so no alcohol by volume, one hundred percent 40 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 3: Mayo Mayonnaise Blanc nineteen fifteen. 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 2: You know, but you I supposed to believe this maynas 42 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: from nineteen fifteen or just like the house. 43 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 3: Ever since hel then my glasses on, I'm trying to 44 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: look at this picture, any of you. Yeah, so what 45 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: it is is what it is. What had happened was 46 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 3: you hand them this bottle and they're like, oh my wait, 47 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: mayonnaise wine. What's wrong with you? Before they can hit you. 48 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 2: Over the hease, they ask me to leave their house. 49 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: You demonstrate that the bottom of the bottle, unscrews worse 50 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: and come it comes out of it is a little 51 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: jar of mayonnaise. So that's how you gift mayonnaise. But 52 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: it comes in like the trojan horse of a wine bottle. 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 3: I think it's super cute. I think mayonnaise is great. 54 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: I would empty the mayonnaise jar out, fill that with like, 55 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, something good, chocolate, wead honey, something, and 56 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 2: then put that in the mannaise. 57 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: Oh that's clever. 58 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 5: Right. 59 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: Then it's like, hey, look, you thought it was gonna 60 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 2: be crappy, no, wait to unscrew it. And they're like, oh, 61 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: even crappier. 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 4: Look I was. 63 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: Gonna make you some deviled eggs and they open it. 64 00:02:58,840 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: Oh it's just weird. 65 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, just. 66 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: So a bunch of people sent this to us. It's 67 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: pretty incredible. I would love a bunch. 68 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Of people did. Yeah, thank you, a bunch of people. 69 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 2: And I see what you think of it. 70 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 3: I'd love to get a jar, Elizabeth, let's get him. 71 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 3: I would love to get a jar of classic mayo 72 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: disguised as a fine line. 73 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll keep that my holiday gift. 74 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: For youful twist on gifting. Yeah, it is so that is. 75 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Twist on gifting. 76 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 3: Don't you want like a turkey with that other? 77 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 2: No? I don't even like manna. 78 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 5: Is you know that? 79 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: I'm sorry for your loss. 80 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: I learned that it makes a good grilled cheese sandwich. 81 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: You taught me that. 82 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah on the outside. 83 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what I'm about that life now hell yeah? 84 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 4: Oh good? 85 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: Good to rub on like a roast chicken, to roast it. 86 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: I think it's good for but like does people slather 87 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: it on? 88 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 6: Like? 89 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: Anyway? I'm not going to get into manage Elizabeth, And 90 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: I have a question for you, Yes, sir, Well it's 91 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 2: not about being ridiculous. Well it is, but you you 92 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: know the Okay, I think you watched this show? You do? 93 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 2: You must have? 94 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: Which one? 95 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: Elizabeth? I have four words for you. I'm Rick James bitch. 96 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah right. 97 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: Davis Chappelle made that quote famous, but it was Rick 98 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 2: James who. 99 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: Made it real. 100 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah. 101 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: And for some folks, those same magic for words are 102 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: also their ticket to jail. 103 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 5: Oh. 104 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, 105 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: heist and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free 106 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Oh yeah, it is Elizabeth 107 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: Rick James one of your people. 108 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 3: Is he agent of chaos? 109 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 7: Right? 110 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 3: See you were like, how was he problematic? But yeah, 111 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: a little. 112 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 2: There's obviously a very ugly chapter of his life. Oh yeah, 113 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: we're not going to get into that now, are we 114 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: going to pretend it didn't happen? Okay, which is why 115 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: I want to focus on the younger, more innocent, pre 116 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 2: mega fame Rick James. Yeah, yeah, he is criminally ridiculous. 117 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: Okay. 118 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, most folks younger than say, my parents 119 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: only really know Rick James from the Dave Chappelle's show, right, 120 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: And obviously the more you know the skits with Charlie 121 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: Murphy aka Murphy's brother. Now you know Charlie Murphy told 122 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: these Atlandis stories. I would be hanging out with Rick James, 123 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: and this is at the peak of Rick james fame 124 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: back in the early to mid eighties. And also, as 125 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: you know, Charlie Murphy incredible storyteller. 126 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: Like one of the best. 127 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: Oh my god, he has a natural inclination, but then 128 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 2: he also knows it, so he tries to reach for 129 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 2: fruits that he can barely touch himself. So it's like, 130 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 2: oh R. In his stories, he always makes Rick James 131 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: come alive, and his tales of you know, getting in 132 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: fights with him and like when you when your battle 133 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: and a man nicknamed super Freak, you know what's gonna 134 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: be interesting now. Also, even from the very first moment 135 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 2: of their friendship, when he first meets Rick James, Charlie Murphy, 136 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:20,119 Speaker 2: he recounts seeing how Rick James had this bright, vibrating aura, 137 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: and Charlie Murphy said, and I quote, and here he 138 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: comes out of the room and I look at him 139 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: and I'm not I seen like an orange his aura 140 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: or whatever I've seen it, it was orange. I love 141 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 2: that this is not somebody who talks about him to 142 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 2: even say that, that means it's real all of a sudden, exactly, 143 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 2: It's like this confession he's got to tell you, man, 144 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: I wouldn't normally say this, so obviously this guy. He 145 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: also has one of my favorite lines in word Conjugations. Ever, 146 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: like he talks about okay, well, back to Charlie quote, 147 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 2: things escalated to the point that my man got too 148 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 2: familiar and I ended up having to whip his ass 149 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 2: because he would step across the line habitually he was 150 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: habitual line stepper. I love that habitual line stepper. I 151 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: mean that whole time as an habitual line stepper. I 152 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: finally saw myself. I was like, that's what it is. 153 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 3: You know that I've told you about how in my 154 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: family it's really not a gathering until I cross the 155 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: line in what I say and someone or many people go, oh, 156 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 3: line stepper. I know that. 157 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: I think that's what we have in common now. Of course, 158 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: obviously there's Dave Chappelle's whole impression of Rick James, which 159 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: I haven't even mentioned yet. Yeah, and that's what gave 160 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: us the most memorable line from the skit. I'm Rick James, bitch. 161 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: Enjoy yourself. I added that, but it's actually in the skit, 162 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: but he says a lot of other things anyway, Yeah, 163 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: the key is I'm Rick James bitch. Those four words. 164 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: And this this Rick James were talking about. As I 165 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: keep saying this was like, you know, this is a 166 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: post disco super freak, think Studio fifty four into the 167 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: seventies early eighties, Like, Elizabeth, what hold do you know 168 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: about Rick James and his pre fame days? Do you 169 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: know any of these stories you ever heard any of 170 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: these things about him? No, okay, here's a fun fact. 171 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gay they gave him his name. 172 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: Oh really, not his mama. 173 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: No, no, Rick James is not his mama's given or 174 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: government name. 175 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 4: WHOA Yeah. 176 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: When he was coming up, Rick James was in Detroit, 177 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: home of Motown, and one night he meets Stevie Wonder 178 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: and Marvin Gay and they were already stars on the 179 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: Motown label and after seeing Rick James perform, they're impressed. Right, 180 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 2: So they're like, hey, man, what's your name? 181 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 5: Brother? 182 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: And he tells them my name is Rick, Ricky James, Matthews. 183 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: And Stevie Wonder's like, wait, wait, hold up, are you 184 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 2: planning on killing the president? Why do you have three names? 185 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 6: Right? 186 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 2: And Rick James like, no, no, I'm not planning on 187 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: becoming a presidential assassin. You got a problem with my name? 188 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 2: And Robbia guys like, yeah, brother, we do. That name 189 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: has no show business to it, right, So they think 190 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: for a moment and they're like, okay, Now, I don't 191 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: know which one of them actually came up with it, 192 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: but it's always been said that it was Stevie Wonder, 193 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: and Stevie Wonder, who's like, you know, I got it, brother, 194 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: you need to call yourself Ricky James. That's a show 195 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: biz name, right. Hearing that from Stevie Wonder, the former 196 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: Ricky James Matthew changed his name and didn't look back. 197 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 3: Hey, Stevie Wonder gives you that kind of advice, you 198 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: take it, you do it immediately. 199 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: Anything Stevie Wonder gives me, I'm keeping exactly pretty much. 200 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: That's smart rule, right Herpes, guys, I got I should 201 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: have some condossels. I knew you would test my theories. 202 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: Habitual linestepper. Now this is the kind of strange look 203 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 2: Rick James will continue to have in his life. 204 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 8: Right. 205 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: So, also, by the way, Ricky James Matthews still not 206 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: his government name. 207 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 4: Oh really that stage name correct. 208 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 2: Yes, because the reason he had that name was he 209 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: was on the lamb from the law. No. Oh yeah, 210 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: we'll get all into all of this, Elizabeth. So this 211 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: cat who would eventually become Rick James, he was born 212 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: James Ambrose Johnson Junior. I love that name. He first 213 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 2: dropped onto this scene in the world in Buffalo, New York, 214 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: nineteen forty eight. Just classic baby Boomer Man or you 215 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: know baby boomer Cat in his case. 216 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 217 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: Now, his father worked in the auto industry as a 218 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: factory worker. His mother show business hopeful. You know, back 219 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: in her day she was a dancer, and when Rick 220 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 2: James was a little boy, she was a cleaning lady. So, 221 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: as I said, show business hopeful. 222 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: She was one of those Buffalo gals. 223 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: Don't she come up so to get a little extra 224 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 2: coin in her purse. She was also a numbers runner 225 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 2: for the leading crime family in Buffalo. Love that that 226 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: was her night job. So this like lawlessness and show 227 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: business drive, they kind of get funneled into young Rick. 228 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 229 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: Now by the time he's a teenager, Rick James, he's 230 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: got himself a little band, right, they're playing around the 231 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: Buffalo area and across the border in Canada. And he 232 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: gets old enough, you know, about sixteen, you know, the 233 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: government starts eyeballing him to draft him into Vietnam War. 234 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: And you know he's like, oh, Joseph Forestall all that. 235 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: So Rick James is like, oh, I'll join the naval reserve, 236 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: you know, that way he can control he doesn't get 237 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 2: drafted into the army and shit Vietnam. He'll be on 238 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 2: the boat. 239 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 5: You know. 240 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I can cook. What's going on right now? 241 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: His plan doesn't exactly work out, Elizabeth, because James Ambrose 242 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: Johnson Junior has to change his name to Ricky James 243 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: Matthews just to get out and be on the run. 244 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, this whole naval reserve thing. 245 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: He tries signing up, but it's not for him, right, 246 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 2: So he goes on the run from Select Services, but 247 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: his plans are full on draft division, right, So he 248 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 2: flees across the border to Canada because Detroit ain't enough. 249 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 2: And this is at this point, we're in nineteen sixty four. 250 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: As I said, the man is sixteen years old, maybe 251 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 2: seventeen if if the month is right now, he moves 252 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: by himself to Toronto. 253 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: Oh wow, yep. 254 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: Within days of crossing the border, he starts his new 255 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: life as a draft dodging musician, Ricky James Matthews, and 256 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 2: he meets another future famous musician. So the story goes, 257 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: he's outside his nightclub and I assume he had performed 258 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: that night, but I don't know for certain. Anyway, Ricky 259 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 2: James Matthews outside this club, he gets into it with 260 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 2: these three drunk dudes or are like just talking loud 261 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: because he dressed funny and he's up there in Canada 262 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 2: and they're like, yo, man, this a good show, but 263 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: why you're wearing that ladies at whatever? And this is 264 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four, So Rick James is an agent of 265 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: chaos and he's not afraid of people, so they didn't 266 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: matter if he was wearing a lady's wig or not. 267 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 2: He goes popping off. They get into it right now. 268 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: So there's a fight and these fights, you know, turned 269 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: to shouts. Shouts turned to shove. Shoves turned into actual punches. 270 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: They got a full on drunk fight, three against one. 271 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: He doesn't really stand that good of a chance. He 272 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: is still sixteen years old or seventeen. He gets his 273 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: ass kicked right, so he's knocked down. Things are looking 274 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: bad for old Ricky James Matthews. Three musicians come out 275 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: of the club. They see this kid down on the 276 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 2: ground about it get stomped out. They recognized he was 277 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 2: just inside playing. He's all right, so they run over 278 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: to help him. One of the men who reaches down 279 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 2: to help pick him up is Levon Helm. 280 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: No, yes, I did not know that I feel like, 281 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 3: did you do this as are what's ridiculous ones? 282 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 2: No, but you're getting close to one. 283 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 3: I did, Okay, yeah, yeah, there's something. 284 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: Percolating the memory. 285 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 5: Yeah. 286 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 2: So I like to imagine Rick James. He's looking up 287 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 2: and there's Levon Helm offering him a hand. 288 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 3: And that's like help God. Yeah. 289 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: So after helps Rick James up and he's like, Hey, 290 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 2: we're playing a gig tonight. You wonder you should come through, Right, 291 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: So Rick James he does indeed go with them to 292 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 2: their gig, and he even gets up on stage and 293 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: he performs with Ronnie Hawkins and Levon Helm. Yeah that's awesome. Right, 294 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: So that's his introduction to like the Toronto scene, right, 295 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 2: Ricky James, Matthews at this point he starts his own band, right, 296 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 2: so he's been own band is called the Minor Birds. 297 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 2: Their sound is rock. It's heavily influenced by the combined 298 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 2: new sounds of soul music but also folk music. They're 299 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: mixing and matching. 300 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: And making their own thing, right. 301 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, this at this. 302 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: Point is like nineteen sixty five. 303 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 3: Okay. 304 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: By the next year, Ricky James and Matthews, he's got 305 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 2: this band sounded so good they are able to sign 306 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: a deal with Motown Records. Whoa, that's in sixty six. 307 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: If they signed the deal right now, this is what 308 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: brings him into the orbit of Stevie Wonder Marvin Gay. 309 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: And then they convince him to go from Ricky James 310 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: Matthews to Ricky James and then eventually the why he 311 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: gets dropped in Rick James. Right now, just before the 312 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: Minor Birds record their album on Motown Records, a band 313 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: member drops out. His replacement is, of course, another future 314 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: famous musicians. You want to guess who Elizabeth Hicky. Yes, 315 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: that's right, Neil Young. 316 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 3: Oh I love him so much. 317 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: So, accorded Neil Young's biographer, this cat Jimmy McDonough. The band, 318 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 2: the Minor Birds had a very distinctive, very mid sixties look. 319 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: And to picture Rick James Neil Young on stage. Oh yeah, 320 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 2: quote the Minor Birds in black leather jackets, yellow turtlenecks 321 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 2: and boots had quite a surreal scene going on. 322 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: I love so. 323 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 2: Not only were they bandmates, they were also flatmates. They 324 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: lived together in sixty six Young Neil Young, And that's funny, 325 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: Young Neil Young and Rick James. They share a small apartment. Like, 326 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 2: what was that like? Well, we do know from Neil 327 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 2: Young's perspective what it was like, because Neil Young once 328 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: told Howard Stern we did some wild things. It was 329 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: all very hazy to me. Now, I'm glad I made 330 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: it through that stage. It got a little dicey. There 331 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: were some drugs going on. I remember singing one song 332 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: for about a day and a half. That's more than 333 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 2: some drugs going on. Neil, that's all the drugs going on. 334 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 4: See you that half? 335 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: How many drugs were going on? Elizabeth. See I've told 336 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: you I can hang with psychedelics, and I had my 337 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 2: time in nearly every street drug you can name. But 338 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: you could not pay me to hang in this small 339 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: apartment with these two on some drugs. 340 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 3: Oh no, what were some drugs? 341 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: Oh, it's just basically what you would think of psychedelics, 342 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: random street drugs. And I'm you're talking to somebody who's 343 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: hung out with Terrence Howard in a small room and 344 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: he were smoking joints and that was enough. Like I 345 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: was redlining there anyway. Nineteen sixty six, Rick James Neil Young, 346 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: as I said, they have this band together, they're living together, 347 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: making a racket up in Toronto. Things are going well 348 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: for them. They put a single out on Columbia Records 349 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 2: that gets them deal with Motown. Now they just need 350 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: to record their debut album, and that, of course, is 351 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: when the bottom suddenly drops out, Otherwise it wouldn't be 352 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: an interesting story. The manager for the Miner Birds tells 353 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: the band, hey man about that advance we got from Motown. 354 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: They're like, what'd you do with They say, hey man's 355 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 2: about that money's gone, right. They have no money now 356 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: to record their album and they owe the money to 357 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: Motown because it's an advance against record sales and they 358 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: have no record to sell. They got two problems, right, 359 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: So rick James goes after the manager. Things get heated. 360 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: Manager gets fired, right, but the manager knows a dirty 361 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: little secret. He goes to Otown Records. He shares what 362 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: he knows with Motown Records, and Barry Gordy is like, 363 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: h mmmmmm because he this manager. He tells that Ricky James, 364 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: their new young star, is actually James Ambrose Johnson Jr. 365 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: And he's not from Canada and he's hiding out from 366 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: the Armed Forces because he went a wall from the 367 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: US Navy in wartime. So Motown is like, oh no, no, Son, 368 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: We're not about to play with the US government. We 369 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: got all sorts of tax issues we're trying to dodge, 370 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: so we don't need a draft dodger messing up a game. 371 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: So you haven't even recorded the album. 372 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 3: Yet, So yeah, I think that's the biggest. 373 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 2: So they tell Ricky James he needs to go do 374 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: what he needs to do with Uncle Sam and gets square, 375 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 2: and so Rick James contacts the FBI turns himself in 376 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: as a fugitive from the law. 377 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 5: No way. 378 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 2: At this point, Motown shelves the minor bird record that 379 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: they are, you know, like whatever, it's future tracks they 380 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: have recorded. They all get shelved. This leaves Rick James 381 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: and his bandmates totally in the lurks. They got nothing 382 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: to show for their time. So what did Neil Young do? 383 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 3: It drove him into the arms of Stephen Still's. 384 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 2: Practically Elizabeth Is. He and his fellow band mate Bruce Paul. 385 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: They decide to get the hell out of Toronto. They 386 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 2: head down to la they make the scene, they join 387 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: up in the Laurel Canyon scene we've talked about, and 388 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: they start a band called Buffalo Springfield. Meanwhile, Rick James 389 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 2: gets tried for draft evasion, convicted, sentenced to five months 390 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: hard labor for going a well from the US. Now 391 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: he is just eighteen years old, Oh my god, but 392 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: being stubborn, full of himself as only a Rick James 393 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: can be. With a month and a half of being 394 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: locked up in the Naval brig Rick James is like, 395 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 2: this ain't working for me, so he stages a prison breakout. 396 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: Good for him, He successfully escapes military imprisonment. He manages 397 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 2: to stay on the lamb for six months. 398 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 5: Wow. 399 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: Then he runs out of energy to stay on the 400 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: lamb and he turns himself back. So at this point, 401 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 2: Rick James is facing a court martial in five years 402 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 2: in military prison. He fights the case and he gets 403 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 2: his original sentence reinstated. He has to do the remaining 404 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: five months hard labor on a sentence. Finally, August sixty seven, 405 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 2: Rick James is a free man. He steps out of 406 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: Portsmouth Naval Prison, freeze in a big breath of that free, clean, 407 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: fresh air, this thing that tastes like freedom, right, and 408 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: he sides, I'm going back to Canada. I don't blame him, right, 409 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: And that's where he will also Elizabeth meet another future 410 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 2: famous musician who will change the course of his life 411 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: on his way to be coming Rick James. 412 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: Bitch. 413 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 2: Okay, let's take a break and listen to some ads 414 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: and then we'll be back into and too. 415 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: Okay, Elizabeth, alright, Saren, we're back, Yes, we are. 416 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 2: So Neil Young you love him? You love him right? 417 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: You know you know his nickname Stevie Wonder Marvin Gayeah 418 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 2: right here giving them too. Who is the next future 419 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: famous musician to change the course of young Rick james life. 420 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 3: That I don't know. 421 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: I'll give you a hint. Okay, he also loves drugs. 422 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: Well, that narrows it down. 423 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: His hair looks like he loves drugs. You won't guess it. 424 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna be a tough one. I 425 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 2: didn't give you good hints. 426 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 3: Hair looks like he loves drugs. 427 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: Hendrix the Atomic dog himself, Oh that is you see. 428 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 2: After Rick James gets out of prison in sixty seven, 429 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 2: he does indeed go back to Toronto, and that's where 430 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 2: he becomes George Clinton's drug dealer. 431 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's a busy. 432 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 2: Job, right, You've got hours. 433 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 3: I saw George Clinton walking down the street in La 434 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 3: once and from behind it totally looks like a muppet. 435 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, completely. 436 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 4: He's just had like. 437 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 3: Big coat and like, yeah, he's just popping along. 438 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 2: And also his hair, he had all his extensions in there. 439 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, so he has ropy hair and yeah, it's incredible. 440 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 2: He's gone now though he's reduced that look. Anyway, back 441 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 2: then sixty seven, these two men naturally they hit it off. 442 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 2: They become friends, fellow drug abusers. Now, admittedly, I would 443 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 2: want to be in this small room as the two 444 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 2: of them got high ast maybe draft eyebrows. I think 445 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 2: I would want to be in that room. Yeah, yeah, 446 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: I think that'd be fun. I mean a little wild 447 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 2: for a lot of people. I think I can hang in. 448 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: I think they managed to record some songs together through 449 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: all of this, and but none of those songs ever 450 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: saw the light of day. 451 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, same. 452 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: But the charms of Toronto could not hold Rick James. 453 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 2: Soon enough, he follows Neil Young down to Los Angeles 454 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 2: to seek his fame and fortune. In the scene, when 455 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: he gets to LA he hooks up with his old 456 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: friend Neil Young and Neil Young's new friends, and that's 457 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: how Rick James ends up crashing at Steven Steele's place. 458 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: I love Stephen Still the old tree. 459 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: Top flyer exactly now. While Rick James is there in 460 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 2: his first few days in LA He's staying on Steven 461 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: Still's couch. He's not alone in this apartment though, right 462 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: there's other people coming to it. Took a crash pad 463 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: almost now. Eventually, one morning, I could be an afternoon, 464 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. He waked up and there's another future 465 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: famous young musician seated on the floor who looks to 466 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: be meditating. Do you want to take a guess who 467 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 2: he was? 468 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 3: Elizabeth, As Rick James colorfully remembered in his own autobiography, quote, 469 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 3: I woke to see a young dude sitting on the 470 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: floor in. 471 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: The lotus position. Stone doesn't nothing unusual about that, except 472 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: for the blood dripping from his wrists. What Elizabeth the 473 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: young man was Jim Morrison Lisa of the Blood, the 474 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: byronic poet Jim Morrison, right, his area is. As Rick 475 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: James recalls it, he was quote saying things like, isn't 476 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: the blood beautiful? Isn't that the deepest red you've ever seen? 477 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's all looking. 478 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 2: At me. 479 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 4: At this point Richard Torture. 480 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: He's freaked out by this crazy white boy who's out 481 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: of his arms. Yeah, exactly Young you know that as well. 482 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: So Rick James goes up and he wakes Steven Stills 483 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: up right and he's like, man, come, you get your 484 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 2: friend bleeding on your view of couch. 485 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: So Steven Stills is like, for what it's worth. 486 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: Now he does come to. His first words are is 487 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 2: he doing it again again? 488 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 3: Yeah? 489 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: So he gets out of bed and he goes and 490 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: he bandages up Jim Morrison. Now, a little while later, 491 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 2: Rick James and Jim Morrison are at the Whiskey a 492 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 2: Go Go on Sunset Boulevard, the doors opening act for 493 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 2: Neil Young's band Buffalo Springfield. After the doors perform, and 494 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,959 Speaker 2: you know Buffalo Springfield is ostensibly on stage, Jim Morrison 495 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: hooks up backstage with Rick James and he tricks Rick 496 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: James into dropping acid with him. And that's like Rick 497 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: James's introduction to like, hey man, this is like what 498 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 2: a real acid? 499 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: Rick James and Jim Morris. 500 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 2: That's like the plot of the best drug movie never made, 501 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: but you would never see. I would watch it. Around 502 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: this same time, Buffalo's Springfield. They break up, and Neil 503 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 2: Young joins a new group. That's right, Elizabeth, this supergroup Crosby, Stills. 504 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: And sometimes Young. 505 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 2: Now there's Rick James, really love exactly. Rick James was 506 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 2: hanging out with all of them. He's friends with all 507 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: of them. He's a qualified musician, and it's, you know, 508 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 2: kind of fun to imagine if you're me and you 509 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: and you're fans of chaos. But at this point, you know, 510 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: he almost was in Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young. 511 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 3: Rick James and James. 512 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: No not, he wouldn't have been a front name. He 513 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: would have been a backing musician, all the way front. 514 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: Rick James and Crosby still smash, and. 515 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 3: Crosby still smash. James and sometimes Young Neil can't always hang. 516 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: So it's his sixties were ending. Rick James has one 517 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: more brush with a future famous musician. Only this guy 518 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: wouldn't get famous for his music. Instead, he become famous 519 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 2: for his cult of thrill killers. 520 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 3: No WHOA. 521 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: The year was sixty nine and Rick James was still 522 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 2: in Hollywood, bouncing around the Laurel Canyon music scene, and 523 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: he was also getting along partying with the young stars 524 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: in Hollywood. Who had made their name on the silver screen. 525 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 7: Right. 526 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 2: So he was friends with one famous hairstylist, this guy 527 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: named Jay Sebring, and he was hopelessly in love with 528 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 2: one of his best friends, Sharon Tate. And one night 529 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 2: in sixty nine, j Seabring invited Rick James to come 530 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: over to his friend's house and party with them. But 531 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: being Rick James, he had party way too hard the 532 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: night before. He was hung over. He's like, man, I 533 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: can't come through there. Who over there? 534 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 6: Right? 535 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 2: So he chose to stay home and lay about. And 536 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 2: so later that same night, Charles Manson's followers showed up 537 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: at Charon Tate's home made bloody History, which would be 538 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: the one percent of the story. So we will skip 539 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 2: past that now. 540 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 4: The next Rick James was supposed to be there. 541 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: He was supposed to be there that night, so I 542 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: don't know if he would have fought them off or 543 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 2: just like. 544 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: Actually been a victims. 545 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: Rick going wild on people get down in my face 546 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: with that. The next day, Rick James he reads about 547 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 2: his near miss with history in the La Times and 548 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,479 Speaker 2: he's like, oh man, and then moves on to now 549 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: I got one more pre famed Rick James ready for you, Elizabeth, 550 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: just because I love this one. Do you know who 551 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 2: Salvador Dhali is? 552 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 3: Yes, he too. 553 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: I thought you did now since you know who he 554 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: was and you also know how he was. Yeah, now 555 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: can you imagine him and Rick James hanging out? 556 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 3: Oh no, he Rick James is like this chaos magnet and. 557 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 4: In the society draw this. 558 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: So the story goes. The two men read a party 559 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: in Hawaii in the nineteen seventies. Now by this point, 560 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: Rick James is coming up, but he's not quite world 561 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: famous yet. Anyway, Salvador Dali is at this dinner party 562 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: in Hawaii and he's wonderfully charmed by Rick James, his 563 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: whole look, his vibe. Yeah, and the Spanish surrealist painter. 564 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: He's like, you know, he's transfixed. He's key staring at him. 565 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: He cannot take his eyes. Rick James like, yeah, appreciate it. 566 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 2: I enjoy it, you know, you know. Rick James, though, 567 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: eventually notices Salvador Dolly come even closer and he's like, 568 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 2: what's this about? And he explains to him that he says, 569 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: anti quote, I am mad about the way you look. 570 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,239 Speaker 2: Please allow me to sketch you, all right? And Rick 571 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: James is like, okay, Rother, go for it. So he 572 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: just sits there and he lets Dolly adore him. He 573 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: whips out his materials, gets to sketching. He stares at 574 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: Rick James right until he gets it all right, and 575 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 2: he draws a little more. Twenty minutes later he's done. 576 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: Dolly hands Rick James the sketch. It's drawn on like 577 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: a napkin. Right, Rick James is, He's totally impressed. He 578 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 2: loves it. He's showing people he's got this rare momento. Yeah, 579 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 2: but it must not have made enough of an impression 580 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: on Rick James because the next morning he got up 581 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: and went swimming, never changed his short when he got 582 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 2: out of the water. The Salvador Dolly drawn napkin was 583 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 2: just a mess. 584 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 3: In his pocket. 585 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: Elizabet, Yes, exactly, and I'm sure Salvador Dolly would appreciate it. 586 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 2: Now we've reached the early eighties when Rick James really 587 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: is a worldwide famous person, right, and this is when 588 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: he's releasing a string of hits. Give it to Me Baby, 589 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 2: super Freak. 590 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: Sure. 591 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 2: Okay, Now that second song that's his big hit, that's 592 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,120 Speaker 2: the one that set the old for how people think 593 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 2: of Rick James. 594 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 3: Super freak guy. 595 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 6: You know. 596 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,639 Speaker 3: You don't pay to mother. 597 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 2: Now, following on the hit of that super freaky vibe, 598 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 2: Rick James becomes Rick James because at this point he's 599 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: been Rick James, but now he has turned loose on 600 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 2: the world. You know that. 601 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: I once met him really. 602 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was at the Lenox Mall in Atlanta, 603 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: and I was a kid. I was like with my pop, 604 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,440 Speaker 2: just the two of us exactly. So I go, he's 605 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 2: got the white coat and he's like, I was like, 606 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: that's Rick James. And he has me go over and 607 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: get an autograph. And we have the same name, so 608 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,719 Speaker 2: really it's an autograph for him, but I swear your 609 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: father name, not Rick James. My father and I have 610 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 2: the same name, and so I got the autograph for 611 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 2: my father and had his name on it because that's 612 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: my name. So essentially he just used his son. He 613 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: you know, he just child labored me into getting him 614 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: a momento. Yeah. Anyway, but uh, Rick James, he does 615 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: have an aura. I gotta say, Charlie Murphy is range. No, 616 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 2: I mean it didn't. It moved, Elizabeth. It was like 617 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: a very depending on the white blue, it was very impressive. Yes, 618 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 2: but all right, Elizabeth where it was all right. I've 619 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,239 Speaker 2: met a lot of celebrities though, so I don't mean 620 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 2: like brag about it. I just bumped into a crazy. 621 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 3: Really, you know, I have a very limited number of 622 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 3: celebrities I've met, very limited And you know, I saw 623 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 3: Tyne Daily once in real life from across the street, 624 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: and then that old George Clinton walking down the street. 625 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I had Gary Coleman once 626 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: cooked beef for me at a Korean restaurant. Wait, yeah, 627 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: you know the Korean barbecues are a stove on the 628 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: on your table. He's like standing on his seat cooking 629 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 2: the beef and he's like putting it on my plate. 630 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 2: I was tripping out. Now, I've seen, like I said, 631 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: a lot of celebrities had weird moments. None of them 632 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 2: were like Rick James in terms of just the presence. 633 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: It was incredible. Immediately I was a boy. 634 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 3: But have you seen Tyne Daily from across the street? 635 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: No, you got me there, I like, I've never experienced 636 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: the full time. 637 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 4: There you go. 638 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 2: Now the scenes when Charlie Murphy is talking about bent 639 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: in the Aura earlier, right, yeah, and then he also 640 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 2: has the times, like the talk about getting in fights. 641 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: You know, there's the whole thing about ruining the couch, right, 642 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: and then he has the very classic thing where it's like, 643 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 2: I'm Rick James bitch. Right, that's the line that he 644 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 2: says all the time that excuses all this bad behavior. Sure, 645 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 2: now that's what really seems to stick with people from 646 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 2: that skit, that attitude I'm Rick James bitch. Now this 647 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 2: brings us to the crimers. I promised you up top 648 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: of Rick James inspired criminals. 649 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: Well, and it's like that was like pre meme era, 650 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 3: and so that was like what people would just shout 651 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: for no reason. 652 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 2: Yes, that was essentially verbal means. 653 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 3: Frat boys in particular. Oh yeah, I loved that completely. 654 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: And then it kind of led into like theuzzier. So 655 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 3: it was like there were catchphrases that people would yell 656 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: for absolutely no reason. 657 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 2: Yes, totally, and also from random shows is one lines. 658 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: And then then you'd also get like your Lebowski's like 659 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: the weather just over and over. But yeah, this was 660 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 2: like something transcendent even amongst that. 661 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: Tradition apropos of nothing. Yeah, that's what I loved about it. 662 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: So other crimers, Yes, September nineteenth, twenty fifteen, just a 663 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: little after noon, two men walk into a bank in Indianapolis. Well, 664 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: technically it's a credit union, the indian Anna members credit 665 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: Union and quote. According to witnesses, two black males wearing 666 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: all black entered the bank armed with handguns. Both suspects 667 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: approached the Tayler counter and demanded money. The suspects fled 668 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: on foot in an unknown direction with an undisclosed amount 669 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: of money. Where's the Rick James and all this? A well, 670 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 2: they didn't mention what they looked like. Right now, the 671 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 2: suspects descriptions, the ones that are given by the cops 672 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: are straightforward. Suspect one black hat, long dark hair, sunglasses, 673 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: all black clothing five eight to five ten armed. Suspect two, 674 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: long hair, dreads, all black clothing five eight to five 675 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: ten armed. What they leave out is that the two 676 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 2: men redressed as Rick James and young blood priest the 677 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: Harlem Koch there the main character of the seventies black 678 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 2: sploitation flick Superfly. 679 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 3: Right yright right right, yeah, So imagine they didn't. 680 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: They left that out. They told why, I don't know 681 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 2: if they didn't recognize the characters they like. I no 682 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 2: one fella kind of resembles Rick James. 683 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 4: Fella, I don't know about the platform. 684 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: Shoot, oh you better believe yeah, like the coats, it's amazing. Now, 685 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 2: imagine you're Elizabeth are in a bank in Indianapolis in 686 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. All of a sudden, two seventies super pimps 687 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: come in and stick up the joint, right, Like, what 688 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: would you even think was happening? Would you think that 689 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: maybe maybe they're shooting a movie around? 690 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 691 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,280 Speaker 4: Know, honestly that's what you would know. 692 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: Way this is real? 693 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? Or just I don't know that. I'm like, have 694 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: I been hanging out with Rick James and now I'm 695 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 3: just hallucinating? 696 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 2: How I am? 697 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 4: I am? I Rick James? 698 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: Well, this robbery wasn't there first or their last? Oh 699 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: the super Freak and Superfly bank robbers. They went on 700 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: a spree. They started in September twenty fifteen. They first 701 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 2: hit the Advanced America check Cashing service in Indianapolis. Next 702 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 2: they hit the Indiana Members Credit Union. You can probably 703 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 2: hear they're hitting small chapters or small branches. 704 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 3: I imagine they're not grabbing a whole lot. 705 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. They didn't get numbers. I said no, 706 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: the mounse were undisclosed. 707 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 3: It is so large they don't want anyone. 708 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: I think they're getting like rent because it seems like 709 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 2: they hit like in the middle of a month, and 710 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 2: then it's like in November nineteenth they hit a month later, 711 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, November nineteenth, twenty fifteen, they hit another Indiana 712 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: Members Credit Union, this time in the neighboring town of Avon. 713 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: Nearly a month later, on December twelfth, once again middle 714 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: of the month, it's Rent Money twenty fifteen, Super Freak 715 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: and Superfly they hit again. They go into a branch 716 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: of the Indiana Members Credit Union in the town of Carmel, Indiana, 717 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: but this time Rick James's whole vibe of untouchability it 718 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 2: fails them and they have to flee. That leads to 719 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: a high speed chase that goes tearing through three counties. 720 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 2: Boone Hamilton Marion the getaway driver. He's good, but not 721 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: good enough because the death despite going over one hundred 722 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: miles an hour and running red lights, crossing oncoming traffic 723 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: the whole nine. In the end, Super Freak and super 724 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: Fly they get caught and busted. Five day trial, thirty 725 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 2: eight year old dupries Jet and thirty eight year old 726 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 2: Damien mckissic and thirty eight year old Earl Lee Walker 727 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: all found guilty. 728 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 3: I went to school together. 729 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: I'm guessing all exactly the exact same age, or there 730 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: are their cousins, many in the hood next to each other. Now, 731 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: what was what was it like for this gang known 732 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: in the press as the Rick James Robbers? Well, the 733 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: getaway driver you got six years, the super Freak and 734 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 2: Superfly bank robbers themselves, they each caught sentences of twenty 735 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 2: four years in prison. Four yes, right, do not play yep? Okay, Elizabeth, 736 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: Let's take another little break, and after these delightfully persuasive ads, 737 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 2: I'll be back for some more of who made I'm 738 00:33:44,680 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 2: Rick James bitch into a criminal mantra? We're back, Elizabeth, 739 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 2: We're back. You haven't found so far? 740 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, So I. 741 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 2: Got a little more Rick James inspired lunacy for this please. 742 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 2: This next story also takes place in twenty fifteen in Springfield, Massachusetts. 743 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 3: I was just a young girl then, I know, weren't 744 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 3: you just said, just out of kindergarten, barely. 745 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: Able to walk. There's around two fifty in the morning 746 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 2: when patrol officers on Eastern Avenue spot a Blue Infinity 747 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,320 Speaker 2: rolling around right, that's like suspicious right away. The trouble 748 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 2: was the car had already been reported stolen, so the 749 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 2: cops give chase. They catch up to the blue Infinity. 750 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 2: Driver pulls over. When the cops approach and they speak 751 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 2: with the driver of the stolen Blue Infinity, he tells 752 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: the Springfield police that his name is wait for it, 753 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 2: Rick James. The police are like, well, mister James, can 754 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: we see your driver's license? The self appointed Rick James 755 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 2: tells the cops he doesn't have his lescens on him 756 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 2: at the moment. Officer Now, The cops are like, well, 757 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 2: mister James, would you politely and police kindly step out 758 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 2: of the car. Turns out this was definitely not Rick James, 759 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 2: because this is twenty fifteen and Rick James at this 760 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 2: point had been dead for eleven years, right and more 761 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 2: than that, the driver of this stolen car was actually 762 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 2: named Scott. Now, after the police finger printed Scott, they 763 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,920 Speaker 2: found out that his full name was Scott Taylor of Springfield. 764 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 2: The thirty year old was charged. 765 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 8: With receiving his full name was like, hi, Scott, Taylor Springfield. 766 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 8: A nice he was receiving a stolen motor vehicle, driving 767 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 8: with a revoked license, giving a false name to a 768 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 8: police officer. 769 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 2: Outstanding warrants, the full slate. Nice little raption you got, now, Scott, 770 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 2: this brings us to the cherry on this Rick James 771 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 2: flavored pie. Elizabeth. I'm happy to report that this guy, 772 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: he's a Florida man and he's super freak a the 773 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 2: story goes, his name is Paul, but Paul Kidgik. He's 774 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 2: fifty years old, and he was at the Back Bar 775 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 2: and Lounge in Saint Petersburg, Florida, at around four am 776 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: on a Sunday morning, after a Saturday night out. Obviously, 777 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 2: he decided he'd had enough to drink and it was 778 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 2: time to go home, so he walked out and got 779 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: in his car to drive home. No, Luckily, there were 780 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 2: a few people, multiple people in the parking lot outside 781 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: this Florida bar, and they all saw how drunk this 782 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 2: dude kill Jack was. Yeah, and he was quote kept 783 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 2: from driving by multiple witnesses due to his level of intoxication. 784 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 2: Good for them, that was notable since this Florida man, 785 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 2: Elizabeth was six foot three and three hundred pounds an 786 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 2: easy person to persuade. 787 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. 788 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: Oh they should, I totally agree, But they had to 789 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 2: stand up and you know, get loud. Maybe who see 790 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: if someone though felt we should probably call the police. 791 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 2: And so they did. And the police arrived on the 792 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,920 Speaker 2: scene at backbar in Saint Pete and they see this 793 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 2: drunk man who wants to drive home or whatever. And 794 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 2: the cops were like, buddy, let's just call you a taxi. 795 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 2: So they call a taxi for kill Jack. When the 796 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 2: cab arrives, the drunk Florida man gets in and the 797 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 2: drivers are like, Ferry may home or whatever. But he 798 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 2: doesn't make it, Elizabeth, Why why doesn't he make it? 799 00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 6: Well? 800 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 2: Rather than me tell you about it, Elizabeth, I like 801 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 2: you to close your eyes, eyesac close. I like you 802 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 2: to picture it. It's late on a Saturday night, and 803 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 2: you are standing outside of the back bar and lounge 804 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: in the parking lot of a suburban style mall complex 805 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 2: in Saint Petersburg, Florida. At the moment, it's about four am. 806 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 2: So clearly you're not making the best life choices. But 807 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 2: there's a man here in the parking lot who's making 808 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 2: far worse life choices than you. He looks to be 809 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,959 Speaker 2: about fifty years old and five sheets to the wind. 810 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 2: The man is drunk, and he's thrashing about like a 811 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 2: tranquilized elephant who refuses to go down. This is strange 812 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 2: since there are cops on the scene talking to him. 813 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 2: They've been talking with the drunk for quite some time now. 814 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: In fact, they're trying to get him into a taxi. 815 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 2: You're betting against the cops getting him in the back seat, 816 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 2: but they're stubborn, Elizabeth, and they managed to get him 817 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 2: in the back and shut the door. The cops turn 818 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 2: back to you in the small crowd standing near you. 819 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: The cops panami, ma, look like, get a load of 820 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 2: this guy. As the taxi pulls away, your attention fall 821 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 2: the car. Soon enough, the cops turn to look too, 822 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: because all of you can hear shouting and yelling coming 823 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 2: from inside the taxi. They're not even out of the 824 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 2: parking lot. But it's not just shouting and yelling. It 825 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 2: looks like, yep, the drunk in the back seat is 826 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 2: punching the cab driver in the face from the back seat. 827 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 828 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 2: The taxi cabs breake, lights flash the car comes to 829 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 2: a screeching stuff. The back door bus open. The drunk 830 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 2: man hops out. His mood has now violently swung in 831 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 2: the opposite direction. He's now laughing and dancing in the 832 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 2: parking lot. The cops look at you and the crowd 833 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 2: again and they pantomime a new look that seems to say, 834 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,520 Speaker 2: I guess we got to do something. 835 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 4: Huh. 836 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 2: The dancing drunk is now gleefully insulting anyone, and everyone 837 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 2: is watching him. He shouts in the direction of you 838 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 2: and the small crowd standing near you and the two cops. 839 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: He yells you you wait, and he follows that up 840 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 2: with I'm Rick James. Betch that cuts it. The cops 841 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: now have to rush the six but three three hundred 842 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 2: pound drunk man dancing around and doing his best Dave 843 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,959 Speaker 2: Chappelle impression. You are not impressed with its accuracy. Neither 844 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 2: are the police, Elizabeth. They arrested drunk Kiljick for battery 845 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 2: and disorderly intoxication. And your cheap evenings entertainment is over. 846 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 2: So you asked the cab driver if you can get 847 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,680 Speaker 2: a ride home. He looks at you like, are you kidding? 848 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,399 Speaker 2: I'm going home? 849 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 4: I hope. 850 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 2: So this is what happens when you spend time in 851 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,800 Speaker 2: the Tampa's eight Peenede area at four am. 852 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Elizabeth. 853 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 2: This last Rick James inspired legal kerfuffle that I want 854 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: to tell you about brings this all full circle because 855 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 2: we've come back to Dave Chappelle and his famous Charlie 856 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 2: Murphy skits. In two thousand and four, the same year 857 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 2: that Rick James passed away, Dave Chappelle pulled his first 858 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 2: big disappearing act. Not all people know this, because what 859 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,399 Speaker 2: works out like this. It was in two thousand and four, 860 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 2: in December he walked away from the Dave Chappelle Show 861 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 2: for the first time, but it was all quiet. Nobody 862 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 2: really heard about it. And then he walked away again 863 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,080 Speaker 2: in two thousand and five, and that's when he very 864 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 2: famously went a wall. So before all of that, back 865 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 2: in June of two thousand and four, he was in Sacramento, California. Hey, 866 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,240 Speaker 2: aka the Big Tomato, aka the Big Easy Chair, aka 867 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 2: the City that Always Sleeps Sacramento, and he was there 868 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 2: doing a stand up show. Now, he was at the 869 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 2: four thousand seat Memorial Auditory. I'm not sure if you're 870 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,719 Speaker 2: familiar with them, so he was doing his act and 871 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,240 Speaker 2: he gets irritated because the fans and Sacramento kept shouting 872 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:32,439 Speaker 2: at him. I'm Rick James bitch os, Oh my god, 873 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 2: and that's fun. You're trying to do your job and 874 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 2: you've got Sacramento yokeles yelling punchlines at you from your 875 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,040 Speaker 2: TV show. So David gets pissed at him, and he 876 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 2: tells these Sacramento yokels, you people are stupid. Good now, 877 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 2: as you know, Elizabeth, I grew up in Davis and 878 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 2: Mere twelve miles from Sacramento, so to hear the Dave 879 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 2: Chappelle called the stupid delights me in a very ugly 880 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 2: regional rivalry kind of way, so forgive me. But the 881 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 2: story goes like this, It's a Tuesday night show mid June, 882 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,320 Speaker 2: should be fun for everyone. Dave Chappelle is about to 883 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,760 Speaker 2: drop the third season of his show It's the hottest 884 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 2: thing in comedy. But his fans they just well, as 885 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 2: Dave put it, shut up and listen like you're supposed to. 886 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 2: At one point, Dave Chappelle tells the Sacramento crowd the 887 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 2: show is ruining my life. Oh god, he confesses to 888 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 2: the audience. That quote, stand up is the most important 889 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 2: thing I do is because I'm on TV. You make 890 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 2: it hard for me to do it. People can't distinguish 891 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 2: between what's real and fake. This ain't a TV show. 892 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,760 Speaker 2: You're not watching Comedy Central. I'm real up here talking. 893 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 2: At that point, he gave the Sacramental crowd a lesson 894 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 2: on how stand up comedy works in case they unfamiliar 895 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,839 Speaker 2: with the real structures and structures. And he said, and 896 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,400 Speaker 2: I quote, I say something you mulled over and decide 897 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 2: whether you want to laugh or not, and then you 898 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,319 Speaker 2: do or not. Then I say something else and you 899 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,920 Speaker 2: think about it. It's worked well all across the country. 900 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,000 Speaker 2: But you people and knowing them as I do, Elizabeth, 901 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 2: I bet when Dave paused here, someone actually shouted I'm 902 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 2: Rick Jags match. I'm just guessing that if he did, 903 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 2: they would have missed the insult that Dave was about 904 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 2: to drop. Because Dave made sure that they understood it. 905 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 2: And this one landed because he was talking to people 906 00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 2: from Sacramento, so he sold them. Coming to Sacramento to 907 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,719 Speaker 2: do comedy was probably quote a bad idea, like chocolate 908 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 2: covered fish not done. Insulting the Sacramento crowd. Dave Chappelle 909 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 2: next tells the same crowd why his TV show is 910 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 2: so funny. He said, and I quote, you know why 911 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 2: my show is good because the network officials say you're 912 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 2: not smart enough to get what I'm doing. And every 913 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 2: day I fight for you, I tell them how smart 914 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 2: you are. Turns out I was wrong. You people are stupid. 915 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,359 Speaker 2: And again, knowing them as I do, Elizabeth, I would 916 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,839 Speaker 2: bet cash money. Someone yelled back in the response. 917 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 3: Oh, Rick James Batch, this is what drove Dave Chappelle bo. 918 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Sacramento did it? I recognize this now. 919 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 2: At this point, Dave Chappelle tells his fans in Sacramento, 920 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 2: you guys are the worst listeners in the country. It's 921 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:13,479 Speaker 2: like the silence of the Lambs without the silence. This, too, 922 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 2: is the power of Rick James. He can make a 923 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 2: whole cowtown lose his camp mind. Elizabeth, Please do remember 924 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 2: I'm Rick James bitch. Enjoy yourself. So what's our ridiculous 925 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:24,799 Speaker 2: takeaway here? 926 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. I feel for Chappelle. 927 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,839 Speaker 3: And that's that case of just you know, I think 928 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 3: any artist who hears those things repeated back to them constantly, 929 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 3: And I. 930 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 4: Wonder if Rick James heard super Freak all the time. 931 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's annoying. I would imagine, Oh god. 932 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,279 Speaker 3: But my takeaway, I think is that Rick James the 933 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 3: gift kept giving. 934 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,239 Speaker 2: My takeaway, Elizabeth, thank you for asking me. It's ridiculous. 935 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 2: I'll share it with you. He's like our idea of 936 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 2: a pirate come to life, you know, like the recklessness, 937 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 2: the big Yeah. He really is. Like so now I'm 938 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 2: going to think of Rick James as a pirate. 939 00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 3: His characterization by Chappelle of like holding a like a 940 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,200 Speaker 3: gobb it gives that pirate aesthetic too, just to. 941 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 2: Something about him. So you in the move for a 942 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 2: talk back? Of course, I am all right producing. Could 943 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:23,919 Speaker 2: you favor us with one? 944 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 7: Oh my god, I saren. 945 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 9: I had to pause the podcast, the latest one and 946 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,279 Speaker 9: the name I can't pronounce it because you haven't said 947 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 9: it yet. I had to pose it when you said 948 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 9: the word serendipity, and you missed a huge opportunity to 949 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 9: call it serendipity. 950 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 3: How could you? 951 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 2: I did drop the ball, But I love that. 952 00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 3: I'm listening to this now I'm going to pause it 953 00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 3: and complain about something that maybe has or hasn't happened 954 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 3: now luckily it hadn't happen, but still serendipity. 955 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,800 Speaker 2: You know, my mother uses that as a nickname, because 956 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 2: does she. She's dippy like that. Well, as always, we 957 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 2: appreciate y'all's talkback, so please keep them coming. 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