WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Wayne Shorter 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.760 Questlove Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. What's going on, y'all? 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.520 This is Questlove and on behalf of the QLs family. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:11.840 We're going to celebrate the life, the light, and the 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.480 legacy of the great Wayne Shorter and absolute master of 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:18.120 his craft, be it with his beginnings with the Art 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:21.480 Blakey Jazz Messengers, or with his mind blowing work with 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.200 one of the greatest quintets in jazz music. Of course, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.480 I'm talking about his tenure with Miles Davis. Also with 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.600 the occasional side gig with Donald Byrd or McCoy, Tyner 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:35.400 or Herbie Hancock, Tony Williams, Lee Morgan, Freddy Hubbard, Carlos Santana, 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:39.720 Cindy Blackman, Santana, Marcus Miller, and even an opera with 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.040 a great Esperanza Spaulding. And of course I'd be remiss 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.279 if we didn't mention his spell bonding work with one 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:48.800 of the greatest creatives of musicians ever gathered. Of course, 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.000 I'm talking about weather Report. We got to speak to 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:56.200 Wayne brother Wayne June of twenty twenty two. He was 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.080 happy to share his work about his journey as a musician, 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.760 as a creative, as a Buddhist and as a human being. 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.800 We just want to offer condulsis to his family, to 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.520 his friends and his loved ones, and we celebrate his 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:19.200 life's work. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to another 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.400 episode of Quest Love Supreme. Your host question, Love, Oh, 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:28.800 I'm sorry. Are you know? Are recently awarded Webby Award 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:33.400 winning Quest Loves three times. It's the third one I 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.280 have yet. I have yet to see those trophies, but 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:40.800 I trust that we've won those dings. So in the 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.280 record books, do you know who they're sending those two 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.880 like you at all? I don't know, somebody in the sky. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:48.400 I have no idea, but there are a lot of 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:52.720 emails being sent, So there's there's uh yeah, I was 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.880 gonna say, uh, you know somewhere out there, Uh they're 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.000 they're living their dream as Quest Love Supreme Award winners. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.640 But you know that's neither here nor there, you know, 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:07.880 because besides getting actual statues and accolades, I'll say that 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.399 the joy of doing this podcast is, you know, it's 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:16.120 just every episode we just get educated legend after legend 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:20.120 after legend, and today is absolutely positively no exception to 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:26.079 that rule. Simply put today, Our Guests is probably one 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:32.680 of the greatest musicians, one of the greatest composers, one 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:37.240 of the greatest band leaders, probably one of the greatest improvisers. 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.560 I mean, when you really talk about the genre of 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.240 a free jazz and fusion or whatever you want to 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:49.400 call it, you know, our Our Guests is beyond pioneer. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.480 Like see him Moore as as a painter, as an 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.400 artist who probably I'll say that his greatest weapon is 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:02.120 just his ability to create synesthesia and us with the 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:04.600 colors that he paints, with his with his compositions and 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:08.840 with his uh with his actual playing. Probably one of 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.160 the greatest time travels of music. I mean every ever 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.200 play with everybody, every every project of his story career, 0:03:16.320 --> 0:03:20.680 from being a member of the legendary Art Blakey Jazz Messengers, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.240 you know, playing with like Lee Morgan, Bobby Timmans, Baby 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:26.880 parrott Um, one of the i mean one of the 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.560 prime architects of the greatest quintets and the history jazz 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.920 with with Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter and Tony Williams, 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:40.520 with what we call the second great quintet Um, even 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:45.320 down to forming weather Report with Josell and playing with 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.560 like Jacob Stores and Alfonso Johnson and Victor Bailey and 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.680 all these greats um even to his own work. If 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.920 if if I do this intro, the show will be 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.720 over before we even get to question. Ladies and gentlemen, 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.240 please welcome and give it, give us the honor of 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:08.280 welcoming one of the greatest architects in music, not the 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:10.600 one and the only Wayne Short. Thank you very much 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:17.240 for doing me. Hello, Hello, Hello, everybody. Thank you that introduction. Thanks, 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.400 But really it really belongs to all of the cats. 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:28.400 I call them the cats, and I even called the 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.520 guys from the classical area they were cats and didn't 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:37.320 know it. Yeah. So right now, where are you speaking 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:40.240 to us from? Where are you at right now currently? Well, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.240 I'm right here in California, Los Angeles. That's where you 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:48.120 live right now, at home? Yeah, okay, how long has 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.560 that been your home out there? Well, I've been here 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:56.800 since nineteen seventy two, seventy one, seventy two, but seven 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:01.839 years in Florida, then moved back to California. Yeah. Now, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:03.880 normally you know, when I when I do this show 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.000 and try to go through the genealogy, but you know, 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.800 you have seven decades of creativity under your belt, so 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.840 we wouldn't even scratch the surface. So I kind of 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.080 want to just do sort of random questioning. Now you 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:20.400 mentioned California, and there's a myth I would like you 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.520 to settle with me. You know, I come from the 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:24.400 world of hip hop, and you know hip hop has 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.840 been very territorial. You know, the type of hip hop 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:29.599 that comes from New York is different than that of 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.000 down South, that's different than that of the West Coast. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:38.520 But can you is there any theory on why you 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.000 believe or I've always felt that California has never truly 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.800 gotten its respect in terms of of jazz music, Like 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.160 I've always heard that, you know, no self respecting musician 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.600 would ever you know, stay in California like you, you 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.640 would stay in New York, where the heart of creativity is. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.760 But what was it about California that drew you to it? 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:05.200 And did you ever adhere to jazz snobs that you know, 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:08.520 the jazz police whatever that always looked down on California 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.280 And yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. Well, one 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.120 of the first thing where I moved to California was 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:19.120 a medical reason. I had a daughter who was acquired 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:23.680 brain damage when she was born, and then the four 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:27.640 seasons on the East Coast. The doctor says she would 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.320 get colds from some of the drafts and some of 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.360 the departments, you know, like with windows and stuff like that, 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.960 and then she would be have seizures. Sometimes she would 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.000 have fifteen seizures in a day. And they said, you 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.000 have to be to go to a warm climate, like 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:49.479 with two major climates summer in spring, or go to 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:53.720 California or something like that. So that's we moved from 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:59.080 New York to California. And while we were moving, we 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.280 found out people were moving too, but they didn't have 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.919 medical reasons, but they like Herbie Hancocks, he moved just 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:13.480 before I did Chick Korea Joe's Avenue, and A, yeah, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.320 they were, And I was thinking they were moving to 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:24.280 where jazz was needed in a sense, yeah, you know. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.280 And I got that by observing Charlie Parker when he 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.840 was out here and he was hede beating and relaxing 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.200 it in California and playing some of the places and 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:39.560 picking up other the West Coast musicians to play with him, 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.360 and uh, I saw him pictures of him rehearsing with 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.760 Leanna Tristano, Lee Konitz and the guys who you know 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:54.160 out here, the Jet Baker and uh but Johnnie Parker, 0:07:55.160 --> 0:08:01.440 he would play bar mits uh anywhere see with Charlie Barker. 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:07.440 I'm saying where you were didn't matter. He was so 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.520 I mean the movie where he was singing Mario Orlansis 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:15.120 being my Love, right, Yeah, Bars Whittaker was actually acting 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:21.360 and singing, you know. And Uh. While I'm mentioning this, 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.960 I like to mention a musician who passed away. I 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.680 didn't know he had passed away. His name was Bernard, right, 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:32.840 yet he was kind of wild and everything. I didn't 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:34.760 I didn't realize he came out of the church when 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.000 he was young. But he was one of the guys 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:43.120 who played uh, synthesizer any way he wanted to and piano. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.640 It didn't matter where he was. I'm sticking on this 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:50.800 where you are location thing. And we have a little 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.880 thing we say and talk about in the in Buddhism, 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.960 when you're pack your suitcase, you're gonna move somewhere where 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:01.200 you think you you better off. There's a little guy 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:05.800 sitting on the suitcase named Karma talking about what took 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:10.680 you so long, I'm going with you, so you're gonna 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:15.559 take your environment with you. And never giving up is 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.920 my model. Never give up and don't let where you 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:25.360 are Foolia, that's it, okay. You you mentioned um being 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.560 a practicing Buddhist. You know, one of the first people 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.800 that I've ever heard mentioning that they were practicing Buddhists 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:36.640 was Herbie Hancock. Is it safe to assume that both 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.760 of you discovered this at the same time or were 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.800 you too a part of each other's process and studying Buddhism, 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:47.600 because you know, even back I remember interviews as early 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:50.240 as like nineteen seventy one of him speaking of his 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.720 Buddhist practice. When did you become a Buddhist? Well, actually 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:58.959 nineteen seventy three I took up the mantle so to 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.520 speak to Japan without you know, and my wife at 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.160 the time, Anna Maria, she's the one who passed away 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:14.200 on t wa uh. She was nailing something on the 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:18.800 wall one month one morning in California in our first house. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.440 She's nailing something to the wall, and I said, what 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.440 you're doing? Three o'clock in the morning, And she said, 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:28.200 I just came from Herbie's house this afternoon, and he 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:33.360 was telling me about this uh practice of Buddhism. And 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.559 what we learned from Herbie was he learned it from 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.559 Buster Williams. He learned about it from Buster Williams. But 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.360 the will and said he learned about it from his wife, 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:49.959 Ronnie Vernica Ronica Williams, when when he was about fresh 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:56.040 out of high school. And uh so, Herbie said, why 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.880 don't you check it out for your daughter's sake, because 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:03.400 our daughter was born with these seizures and all that. 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:07.760 So we thought maybe we would check out the philosophy 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:12.480 and see how it connects with our daughter. Our daughter 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.880 did pass away at age fifteen of a grandma seizure 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:25.600 here in California, But the wise practitioners of Buddhism say 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:31.760 she came with brain damage. But she completed her mission, 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:37.240 and our mission was to expose her parents to the 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:44.080 ultimate law of life, the ultimate law of of their life, 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:48.000 that that you are eternal and stuff like that. There's 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.280 a lot of the same things. But she came to 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.640 wake us up, even though she didn't she only had 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:59.480 a few words, a few words to speak and stuff 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:04.080 like that. But her life was not in vain. So 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.240 we're looking at a lot of other people who who 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.840 kind of think something is in vain. There's no used 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.920 to do this. I'm gonna give up on that. I got. 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.320 I got a bunch of shirts out here it says 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:22.360 never give up on the shirt, so that that's uh, 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.960 it's not so much trying to be perfect and be 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:30.880 a religious person. In fact, some of us who practice 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:36.640 this Buddhism get wilder. Oh hey, I mean, you know, 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:41.040 or anything where the report comes next. So, of course, 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:46.880 because the thing is, especially with the history of of 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.760 our people in this country with black people. Yeah, I 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.720 always wondered, you know, how hard of a decision was 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:57.480 that to me, you know, because I think that black 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.720 people were always trained to, you know, like we must 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:06.760 only follow Christianity and any other philosophy. Like Maurice White 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.760 would tell me that when he was sort of practicing 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.040 his spirituality that it was really controversial with everyday blacks 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:19.200 because it wasn't under the trope of like God, Jesus 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.679 and Christianity. But for you to do that so early, 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:28.680 especially now that we're more open to I guess following 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:33.000 our hearts and following traditions and ways whatnot. You know, 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:37.040 how was was this easy for the people around you, 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:41.240 your family members or your friends or whatever like to 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:43.199 except where you were going, or did they just look 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.640 at you like an alien Like I was forty or 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:50.200 forty one, where when I thought, you know, I think, 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.840 I said, I got it together. I know, you know, 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.880 I can, I can take care of myself. It's there's 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.280 a point where some of us think we know everything. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.520 We can end the living in it's coming our way. 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:06.400 And when I was forty, I stopped to think about 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:12.080 my daughter's seizures, how she came into the world with 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.760 the brain damage and all that, and I was I 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.840 started thinking about this. I said, wait a minute, there 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.720 is some stuff I don't know about. So I started 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:25.760 listening to what some of the people I knew. Of course, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.120 it was her being Buster Williams, my wife at the time, 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:34.400 Anna Maria. She started working on this listening to philosophy 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:40.360 before I did. And I when I went on a 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:46.160 tour in nineteen seventy three, July three to Japan, and 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.680 when we all left with what report we all left, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:55.200 and when stopped in Hawaii, I stopped in Hawaii behind them, 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.320 took another plate and got in a small hotel by 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:05.360 myself because I was actually handling alcohol. So I want 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.040 to be myself. When we had two days off before 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.520 we did a concert in Hawaii and just get ripped. 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.880 I not just getting ripped, the sloppy and everything. I've 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.960 got me a new suit, pantamat suit, and I walk 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.360 around acting like I can handle everything. And I went 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:25.520 from nightclub to nightclub, sitting at the bar talking philosophy 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:30.200 from Jian philosophy with people and all that. And they 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:34.200 told me, once you start to do this practice as 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:39.400 a Buddhism Buddhist, all of us jumps that you have 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.040 in you was gonna come out and say it's it's 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.760 like a water hose and garden water hose that hasn't 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.520 been used in a long time. And when you plush 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.160 it with this philosophy, the first thing that comes up, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.120 there's a lot of leaves and rusts and everything like 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.360 that out of your life. And I was saying, whoa 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.520 I thought I was? You know? So I was. They 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.240 even had a what do you call a missing person 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.160 call or me in Hawaii couldn't find until it was 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.920 time to play the gig, and I went. I got 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:18.120 myself together and then joined the band and they said, 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.240 you scared us to death. Man with so uh that 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.920 I had gone to a temple in Japan and what 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.160 do you call it? Received something called I don't want 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.720 to see me the words, but Gujakai. Tina Turner has 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:36.720 a book out on this stuff. She has a whole 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:41.040 explanation of stuff. And I like that. And I received it. 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:45.640 And the temple it's only a little baby and myself 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.440 and the baby's mother and the temple, and we received something, 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.760 and we said we're gonna practice this practice. So anyway, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:58.880 the thing about playing different once you start doing stuff 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:04.280 like this a different. What Herbie said was he heard 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.800 Buster Williams take a bass solo one night. Maybe you 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:12.160 heard about this. I mean, this is classic. He took 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:15.159 a bass solo. They were playing at the Penthouse in 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:22.040 the Seattle Can't Panhouse Niper when when Buster finished, the 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:25.440 applause wouldn't stop. That it was one of the longest 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.720 applause the Herbie ever heard. And they got an the 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:35.000 dressed room. He said, Buster, what you've been doing? Explained 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.640 to him a little bit about what he's doing. So Herby, 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:41.000 I want to try what's going on. And that was 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:46.199 that was when he got what he called that hit, 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:52.480 that dead, that dead right. Okay, okay, okay, okay, that's 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.400 how changed his sound. Okay, well, actually people, he didn't 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.360 want people to think, when you start practicing a philosophy, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:05.120 you to get hit records. No, but but Herbie got 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.960 a hit before the water. Another man hit the one 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:15.520 dude a million. But I always thought that Herbie had 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:18.879 a lucky star over his head ever since I met 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.000 him in nineteen sixty three. He's one of those guys 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.639 in school. There's another guy with the school with you, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:30.240 like Herbie basic where he's a diplomat now. Anyways, anyway, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.520 just like Herbye, they had this lucky star over the 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:39.919 head all their lives. I said, Man, nothing nothing funny 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:47.960 ever happened to them. Good. But I learned quickly you 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:51.280 can't count your blessing by watching your neighbor's treasure. Truth 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.639 you call it. I took to myself, shut up and 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:59.320 be cool, and I stopped. I stopped talking. I went 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.640 to the meeting. We had meetings at our house, had 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.960 a lot of meetings at our house. People and a 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:08.679 lot of name dropping people who came to the meetings, 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:10.840 you know, people who wanted to be movie stars and 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:16.280 all that wanted to get this, but uh, you'd be 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.840 surprised the names are. You know, I'm not gonna say 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.560 the names, but if everything every now and then I 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:24.119 would say a name of a person who came to 0:19:24.240 --> 0:19:28.399 our house to a meeting, and somebody would say, oh, 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.680 your name dropping, Now your name dropped. But I cut 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:36.960 them off and say, no, I'm not name dropping, I'm 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:45.000 named lifting. One question I had for you, mister Shorter, 0:19:45.280 --> 0:19:48.760 how did you get the nickname mister Gone? Oh? Yeah, 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:52.080 I was in the Brazil and we all had We 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.800 all went to Brazil to do festival there, and then 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.639 the band came back to the United States early to 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:03.080 do this record. I ate another month in Brazil while 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.280 they were making a record, and they were making some music. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.280 They were the name they name did it after me? It? Joe? Come, 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:17.639 let's call this one, mister Gone. I really liked Joe's 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:27.400 piece Young and Fine on that on that album. Time. Yeah. Yeah, 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.919 I briefly met you once, um at a festival. I 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:34.720 mean this is like twenty years ago or twenty maybe 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:39.760 twenty five years ago, and just briefly talking. And I 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:44.200 believe you told me that you didn't even start your 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:49.880 craft and playing uh, clarinet and saxophone until you were 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:53.760 like well into your teens, so you know, and I 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.920 really did because we were in passing. I always wanted 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:00.320 to ask you. So you're telling me that I would 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.160 have thought that you would have came out the room, 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.080 you know, with with with with the accent hands. How 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:11.160 did how did you discover your talents at such kind 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:15.600 of a late stage in your life? Well, actually, I 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.960 used to play hookie from when I started high school. 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:23.000 I played hookie go to the movies, walk and walk 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:27.720 past to school and going down to downtown to movie 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:31.720 theater and I used to go see uh, like two 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:36.560 movies and the stage show. And the stage show was 0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:39.360 at the theater is called the Adams Theater. And there 0:21:39.480 --> 0:21:42.359 was Dizzy Lesbi you don't know a Jacket and his 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.720 brother Russell Jacket, and the thing called the Jazz at 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:50.720 the Philharmonics. I'm I'm I'm watching this stuff listening. I 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:55.880 was about fifteen then, and there's a music store right 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:58.560 around the corner from the high school. I used to 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.119 walk by this music store and look in the window. 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:07.520 I was majoring in art and I found myself cutting 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:11.520 classes just go looking at music, look at the instruments 0:22:12.000 --> 0:22:15.480 in the music store. Then I got me uh for 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:19.119 a dollar something dollars fifty A little thing looks like 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:23.320 a submarine called a tonette, a plastic It's like a 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:27.920 plastic flute at six holes. I got it, and I 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:30.800 used to walk around the neighborhood blowing on this thing, 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:38.119 like do do do do? Do? Do do do? And 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.240 my mother said, whenever she wanted to get me to 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.000 come into a dinner, she oh, she had just opened 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.439 the window, and here where I was, here where I 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:51.200 was at, But I know where you're at. So then 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:56.640 I started fingering this thing. No instructions. I just saw 0:22:56.920 --> 0:22:59.920 do do do you know? Playing with it? And when 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.240 I went to see the stage shows, I hear them playing, 0:23:03.400 --> 0:23:11.120 Um they did they did? Did they? And I mashed 0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:14.639 the holes on this little it looks like a submarine. 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:19.560 I mashed the DoD do do? I try to mash 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.840 what I heard? And then I looked in the window 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.520 real close one time, and there's this clarinet sitting up 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:32.680 there among the other instruments are vertical. And my grandmother 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.159 and my mother got the money together to get this 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:40.560 cl clarinet, which cost ninety dollars. It was a used 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:45.160 clarinet in the name. When I said somebody's name Elizabeth 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.720 new Jersey on each part of the clarinet, they get 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:50.840 taken apart and I got that class. I still have it, 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:56.480 You still have it? Yeah? WHOA and I and I 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.920 and I went into the music store. The guy who 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:03.240 rand the music store was also he ran the pit 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.679 man af they had him said, and when they had 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:09.520 the shows, his name was Jack Arnold Press and here 0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:12.920 to take me to the back room, and h started 0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:17.720 to clown that lessons lord, learning to read notes, counting 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.320 and all that cat pat in your foot and all 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.000 you know, stuff like that. I did that one year 0:24:24.119 --> 0:24:27.800 with him. Then he got me a tenor saxophone too, 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:31.119 because he said, you make more money you played clarinet 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:37.560 and tenner the music union again. So I got to 0:24:38.000 --> 0:24:41.359 mess around with these things. But I you to talk 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:47.680 playing at home about six hours a day, not every day, 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:52.040 but six hours of the school days. I stand up 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:54.920 in the room and just I turned around in the 0:24:55.000 --> 0:25:00.399 six hours going by him, so working on scales stuff 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:04.720 like that. Uh. Then I listened, So what was out 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:09.000 there listening to Charlie Parker all the guys are blanky 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:13.359 colonious monk what they were doing. And then I got 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:17.280 I went to the library and took took out records 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:22.560 a classical and uh, I got one of the discal 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:34.080 less h Montaka And also I got Stravinsky's The Writer's Springing. Yeah, yeah, Yo, 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.600 that explains everything. The fact that you would shed the 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:41.400 wrights the spring explains everything all right to our listeners 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:47.359 out there, um real quick. Stravinsky's compositions used to cause riots. Ye, 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.800 Stravinsky was the edim of his days. Stravinsky was the 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.760 bomb squad public enemy of his day. Like he would 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:59.119 make the audience angry with clashing notes, and you know, 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.320 he was the free jazz of the classical era. And 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:07.920 when he created Writes a Spring, I mean just name 0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:12.160 all the controversial records that you can think of from 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:15.080 Miles Is on the Corner to it takes a nation 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:19.719 of millions of olders back to even when like you know, 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:23.040 Radiohead sort of turned their kid back on rock with 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:26.119 you know, with kid like all these experiments and it 0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:29.960 made the audience angry. But you know this, that was 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:33.320 like one of the first examples of opening a portal 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:37.959 of creativity where suddenly you didn't follow the rules of music. 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:42.359 You had to just you know, you followed your heart, 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:47.840 and so you started that. The nineteen oh nine they 0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:49.920 were in Paris when it first did the writer spring 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:57.160 publicly and it's a musician. I think it's a masto something. 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.520 They weren't sitting next to another composer and when the 0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:04.879 writer spring started, he was annoying. He said, why this 0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:11.399 stunsky started with the bassoon where up high? It's an 0:27:11.520 --> 0:27:20.920 ugly sound or something like that, and the other guy said, 0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.760 he quiet, let's let's see what he's doing. And every 0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:31.359 time I played Acus, I said, started with something that 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:36.920 would irritate people. I heard that somebody got killed in that. Uh. Yes, 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.399 it's it was like the first mosh pit or the 0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:46.760