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Speaker 3: That's what I'm talking about. Praying.

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Speaker 3: Steve my man, Man, Steve my man. You're trying to start.

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Speaker 1: Some I ain't trying to start Nothing brought him. You

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Speaker 3: On the Kings of Comedy.

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Speaker 5: They edited an interview I did and made it seem

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Speaker 3: See Steve, come see me.

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Speaker 1: How did you get in from those Friday movies, whether

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Speaker 5: You know a lot of people complaining I don't know

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Speaker 5: Got paid right and uh when I did Friday after next?

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Speaker 3: Comic view or death comedy?

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Speaker 2: Once I gripped you, you ask any see me bomb anybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of It's Up There Podcast. I

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Speaker 1: the fastest growing podcast in the world. Right now, I

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: When I seen this guy in my city come to

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Speaker 3: Today we got don DC Curvey. How why are you,

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Speaker 5: I'm doing good, man, but don't come and let legends

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you for forgiving me and gracing me gracing

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna tell you why I drew the line.

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Speaker 3: That's those are old gangster roots. Man. You don't mess

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Quake situation seemed to be a lie,

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Speaker 3: Cedric Well Steve harbish. Why I was on Grays Underfire?

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Speaker 1: Why why do we feel like you you you try

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Speaker 1: No Kings of Comedy. I ain't no king of comedy.

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Speaker 1: You just told me Richard Pride helped you. John Witherspoon

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Speaker 1: three conversations with Richard Pride. I don't want to overemphasize that.

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Speaker 3: Me, and at that time he was like on his

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But we and even if whatever Richard Prode gave

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Speaker 3: King, brother king king? Strong word that ain't make it clear,

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Speaker 5: I ain't saying that when I say, ain't no king,

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Speaker 5: no man, I'm just jn't and I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 5: trying to be overly modest than nothing. I ain't no

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Speaker 3: Ain't nothing nothing, No got hold my own. Yeah, some

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Speaker 3: people say Harvey has your cadence.

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Speaker 1: Some people to say that Harvey has your cadence, that's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that. Yeah, So that's what I don't understand.

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Speaker 5: Like Steve my Man, Man, Steve my Man, you know

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Speaker 5: I saw him and Mark Curry August.

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Speaker 3: Look, bro, when you came up in.

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Speaker 5: The same general time frame, you're gonna have some overlapping

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Speaker 5: of things that are you got in common. Mark Curry

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Speaker 5: and Steve were going at it. By the Halloween costume.

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Speaker 5: Come on, man, all black folks for the most part,

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Speaker 3: So some of that stuff.

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Speaker 5: But you know when you write something and you got

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Speaker 3: Now that has happened to me in some cases. You

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Speaker 3: even got a certain style.

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Speaker 1: Bro, What I'm saying is when you deal with jokes,

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Speaker 1: at least from the downside me looking in, it's like the

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Speaker 1: packaging of the joke is just as important as the joke.

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Speaker 1: And so your cadence just how you just did now

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Speaker 3: Right when you see someone like you.

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Speaker 1: Coming up in that moment with comic viewing all that

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Speaker 1: was going on, that was you, Harvey, y'all, y'all was

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Speaker 1: kind of in that same pot that cadence is only

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Speaker 1: I don't know anyone else with that, but really you too.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about why I can close my eyes and

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Speaker 1: say that rhythm, that's that rhythm, that's that DC rhythm, Like.

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Speaker 3: Do you do you ever think that? Do you ever

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Speaker 3: feel that? Do you ever you're trying to start some shit?

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Speaker 1: I ain't trying to start nothing, brother, you think I'm trying.

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Speaker 3: To start something. These are my real thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Like when I hear this, even when going back just

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Speaker 1: let me listen to Harvey.

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Speaker 3: I put Harvey in.

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Speaker 1: Now what I would say is different was he he

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Speaker 1: you close your eyes, and this is only two or

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Speaker 1: three bits that I saw. But if I closed my eyes,

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Speaker 1: I say that Cadence belongs to d C.

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Speaker 3: H M. Here. You want me to say, all right.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, we can we can move we can move on,

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Speaker 1: we can move on.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I just wanted to ask you that.

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Speaker 5: Let me say something. It is in case Steve see this.

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Speaker 5: You know he's had several problems with me. Uh, I'll

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Speaker 5: tell you about a couple of them. Uh, we're doing

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Speaker 5: showing Memphis. One time back in the day and he

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Speaker 5: had just gotten his to pay YO, and we were

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Speaker 5: ain't speak to me for about three years.

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Speaker 3: Damn.

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Speaker 5: Another time, well, I ain't gonna tell that, but we've

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Speaker 5: had just two or three running. Another time I was

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Speaker 5: it was.

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Speaker 3: I was at a club.

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Speaker 5: They edited an interview I did and made it seem

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Speaker 5: as though I was saying, don't go Steve, see Steve,

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Speaker 5: come see me. That ain't what I said. They cut

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Speaker 5: it down and made it look like that, right. But

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Speaker 5: what I said was, you can go to see Steve

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Speaker 5: in that arena. I was talking about the inn him

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Speaker 5: to see a comedy clubs, and I said, I'll be

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Speaker 5: at this club, and for what it's worth, Steve might

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Speaker 5: sell out. But the club I was at set two

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Speaker 3: I said something like that, Yeah, yeah, yeah. He took

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Speaker 5: That, and uh, you know, tried to try to insult me,

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Speaker 5: which he couldn't do. I got some tapes, man, Steve

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Speaker 5: had comedy club, you know, and uh I got some

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Speaker 5: I just there's been some overlapping.

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Speaker 1: But you know, and then for me, bruh in this game,

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Speaker 1: because I take it personal, you know me, and I

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Speaker 3: And you seem like a player.

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Speaker 1: You seem like a super cool player type nigga, So

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Speaker 1: I don't take you to be sensitive.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Man, You had to really you had been You had

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Speaker 5: you really had to you really had to you can't.

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Speaker 3: Right, right.

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Speaker 1: But with the money though, it's just like yo, man,

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Speaker 1: with the money, I don't know, Like I commend you

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Speaker 1: for being so play about it, but I can't see.

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Speaker 3: You know, certain things for me will be a little

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Speaker 3: more visible in my arguments, right because I'll be saying,

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Speaker 3: let me tell you something, man, talk about money. I

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Speaker 3: control me. Brother. And you know, for example, it's only

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Speaker 3: so much shit you can buy. After that, you can

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Speaker 3: buy bigger shit mos shit.

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Speaker 5: You know, you can buy a house. Now if you

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Speaker 5: get hurt, you can buy another house. But I mean,

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Speaker 5: it's only so much shit you can buy. But if

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Speaker 5: you compare yourself to somebody who's super if you want

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Speaker 5: to call it successful or whatever. If a man got

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Speaker 5: a fifty million dollar playing fifty million dollars yet, but

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Speaker 5: I don't want one. I just made fifty million dollars

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Speaker 5: relatively speak God blessed beyond saying, jay Z, they bought

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Speaker 5: because of where I come from, you know what, I

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Speaker 5: million dollar hius, Right, I'd rather I'm not shooting.

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Speaker 3: I'm not shooting shit.

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Speaker 5: God bless them what they did. But I cannot imagine,

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Speaker 5: Uh what a two hundred million dollar Highs is.

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Speaker 3: It's something bitch on the moon ors. Well, what did

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Speaker 3: you grow up at? South side Chicago? Got that play

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Speaker 3: on you man? Finger high and nothing back then?

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Speaker 5: All my partners was gangsters. I go back now. I'll

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, are you familiar with what just happened with

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Speaker 1: Corey Hokum and Donne Wrong?

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Speaker 5: No, But uh, I had a Cookie Hull on my show. Uh,

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Speaker 5: she basically was re button Cats interview, right, Cookie Hull

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Speaker 5: used to work for him? She said she used to

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Speaker 5: write for him. He said she didn't. I kind of

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Speaker 5: bu But Cary holkn called me.

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Speaker 3: Because he saw.

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Speaker 5: Me basically interviewing her on my show This rayon right,

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Speaker 5: and uh he called me because he can go in

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Speaker 5: to give him props from calling me, and uh he

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Speaker 3: Man, hey, man, you say what you what you think?

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Speaker 3: She said? What she thinking?

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Speaker 5: I'm telling what the hell she said?

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Speaker 3: Right? Did?

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Speaker 1: How did you get in those Friday movies, whether that's

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 5: Audition they called me, you know from stand up back

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Speaker 5: I'm like man gone that shit. I just stay right

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Speaker 3: All the week.

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Speaker 5: I was getting shows yea, and uh so finally I

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Speaker 3: I said, okay, then now you now you're talking.

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Speaker 5: But back then the scouts would go out, Nah, you

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Speaker 5: You know a lot of people complain and I don't

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Speaker 5: Q said to me, DC, what you want and I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you need a little pushback, but just like that, man.

440
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Speaker 5: So Kim Whitley, who didn't do Friday after next because

441
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 5: she had bumped head with the producer, but I told

442
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Speaker 5: her called qbe you know cute.

443
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Speaker 3: We all talked.

444
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 5: We were on set, right, I said, call Q and

445
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 5: she wouldn't do it. So that's when they went and

446
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 5: basically got some more.

447
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 3: Who was my friend? I'm doing with her now? They

448
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 3: went and got some more to basically replace Kim Whitley.

449
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: Wow, that's dope. The comic view of death comedy John

450
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: uh far As what far as what he did for comedy.

451
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: Uh who he propelled cachet in the culture. You know, overall,

452
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: I think death jam was ultimate.

453
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 5: Uh at that time, it was an ultimate thing. Comic

454
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 5: View had more longefvity. It was a calm atmosphere. It

455
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 5: was kind of two different generous death jam you know. Uh,

456
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 5: Comic View you had time to make somebody think death jam.

457
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 5: You got to go, proud, you got to go. But

458
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 5: both of them did the thing. So shout out to

459
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Speaker 5: Rusid Simmons and shot out to Bob.

460
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Speaker 3: Johnson. I think Johnson Bob us.

461
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, both of them provided avenue. Bob something that was

462
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 5: with death Cham but Bob Johnson on bt d T

463
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 5: Comic View. Yeah, And it created a It created a

464
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 5: platform for us that.

465
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Speaker 3: Wasn't invasible.

466
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Speaker 5: I don't I don't think you can compare it to

467
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 5: anything now for us Black comics are concerned, right.

468
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: You think he can be read, recreated in there, that

469
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: can be redone. Now you can centralize those audiences because

470
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: basically that's what there was. People would sit down at

471
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: a certain time, you know, get looking forward to watching

472
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: comedy on Comic View or.

473
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Speaker 5: I tell you what, I don't think so because of

474
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: social media, I don't think so because of social media. Now,

475
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 5: I ain't I ain't mad nobody nothing. I ain't mad

476
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 5: to young real social media. But but I think uh,

477
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 5: And it's obvious when some of them are missing the

478
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 5: experience going out on the road, driving from place to

479
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 5: place with different people and trying to find where you

480
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 5: fit in.

481
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: And you can't do that, can't do that with video, man,

482
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 3: And then it's.

483
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 5: Not as real because you can't get booed on the

484
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 5: video and you gotta get your ass out there and

485
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 5: get booed and then figure out what you did wrong.

486
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 5: But on video you can do fit the takes and

487
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 5: just pick the best one. Then a lot of people

488
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 5: disappointed when they show up to see it. Now, some

489
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 5: of the brothers have gone on and gained experience and

490
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 5: stepped it up country Wayne Shooter King, Yeah, and figured

491
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 5: it out. But I've also seen I've seen some fall

492
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 5: but DC, young flyer, I've seen some fall by the wayside,

493
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 5: you know that possibly would have done better if they had.

494
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Speaker 3: Been on the road. Used to call it the chit

495
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Speaker 3: Lin circuit.

496
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're working those jokes as a thing, like

497
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: you gotta get that joke.

498
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: In different rooms and you know what I'm saying, Like

499
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Speaker 3: you said.

500
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 5: Like that's why you know I do some concerts now.

501
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 5: I think I got forty fifty on the books for

502
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 5: this year, but I do, I got you know, farty

503
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 5: some clubs on it because the repetitions, right, the repetitions,

504
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 5: and you be surprised.

505
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: I always call.

506
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 5: Comedy, particularly black comedy, but comedy in general, it's psychological warfare. Brother,

507
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 5: And you be surprised how change any word or phrase

508
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 5: or the time and make all the difference in the world.

509
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: When you're doing the club and you got several shows

510
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 5: that do day after day, you know you can work

511
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: it out.

512
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 3: You got that and work it out?

513
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then you see it'll it'll. You also

514
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: got to serve people that don't know you as much, too, right,

515
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: because especially with social media, the fanfare is so crazy. Yes,

516
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: like you come out, they Cheering's like he ain't even

517
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: got nothing out, he ain't even said nothing. These dudes

518
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: are getting that love and they I wonder the last comics,

519
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: the last wave of comics that'll make that seventy five dollars.

520
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: A night or a week and all that doesn't fit

521
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: that old anybody.

522
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, they on my first paid job I opened for

523
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 5: Paul Mooney was seventy dollars fourteen show up getting five

524
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 5: dollars a show, and at the end of the end

525
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 5: of the week they're handed me a new They said,

526
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 5: I old them one hundred and twenty seven dollars. I

527
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 5: had drunk up two hundred something.

528
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: Dogar shit. Michael Williams and his brother Gary Williams.

529
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, was there any beef, well, not beef, but any

530
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: competition with Comic View and Death Comedy Jam back then

531
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: where it's like no.

532
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 5: Back then, there was three things you had to do

533
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 5: to establish your legitimates as a black coming. You had

534
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: do Death Jam, Comic View and Apollo Apollo. After that

535
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 5: they they take you seriously.

536
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, showtime at the Pollow, right, and then if

537
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 3: you could do that and survive, you you're doing very good.

538
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 5: Showtime at the Pollo. They talk about Death Jam, audience,

539
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 5: showtime at the Pollo. When I first did it, I

540
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 5: got that thing called time about eleven o'clock in the

541
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 5: morning and I got up to perform it, I think

542
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 5: at ten o'clock at night. Same cry, no water, no refreshment,

543
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 5: no nothing. Man, I don't even know what the bathroom

544
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 5: was working. But they've been sitting there eleven hour when

545
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 5: I got it.

546
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: But you know it was it was all in the

547
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: game right now.

548
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: Them the reps, though, get them, the reps, Get the reps. Yeah,

549
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: he learned about TV so far, but the reps, you know,

550
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: they don't. And God bless them. You know, a lot

551
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: of them making a lot of money.

552
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: Man.

553
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: But uh, you know, I staying hard on what I believe.

554
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: I'm including radio shows now I'm eleven thousand and something deep.

555
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 3: You, I'm telling you, man, I don't know why. I

556
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 3: don't know.

557
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: You don't got to like it. I'm calling you a legend.

558
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: You ain't even got to like it. And my voice

559
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: matter in the culture, so whatever. But here's something I

560
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: also want to ask you. When Corey Holcomb speaking of

561
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: those reps. Sometimes comedians even say season comics are quote

562
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: unquote mild. So Corey Holcomb says that Donielle Rowlins is

563
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: a mild comic. Yeah, do you do you understand that term?

564
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: And what what do you what do you think that means?

565
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure my viewing audience don't know what that

566
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: don't know kind of what a mind? I know what

567
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: it means because I know what mild wings is versus

568
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: hot wings.

569
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, It ain't funny. Cary Holk

570
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: him hen Wow. Yeah, And uh, you know, I'm a

571
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: I'm a corn Hokan fan. But some of the stuff

572
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 3: caught me saying.

573
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 5: I'll be like, damn boy, Yeah, what is wrong with you?

574
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 3: But it's funny. However, and I don't want.

575
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 5: To I don't want to reiterate what Cat said or

576
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: what Cory said. There is a certain vein that if

577
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 5: you get in that vein, you're more likely to become

578
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: universally acceptable and blah blah blah. I never I've always

579
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 5: spoke my mind. I had a conversation I don't know,

580
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 5: twenty some years ago with Tom Johnner, you know, about

581
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 5: being more accommodating. So yeah, it might could have been. Now,

582
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 5: you take a guy like Kevin Hart. Guy was telling

583
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 5: me the other day, Uh, we're talking about comedy, he said, DC.

584
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 3: I went and saw Kevin Hart and he did an hour.

585
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 5: I said, oh yeah, and he ain't offend nobody in

586
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 5: the building. I said, I can't do five minutes without

587
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 5: nigga somebody.

588
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if.

589
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 5: You got that talent, God bless you. That's what you

590
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 5: can do. But you know, I'm more of a.

591
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 3: I'm a little radical.

592
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: Bro, you know, I mean, but the truth is, the

593
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: truth is considered that, you know what I mean. When

594
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: you get up there and just literally say your observations

595
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: from a true standpoint, some people gonna say it's radical.

596
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: You gotta live with that. I speak it, and then

597
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: I can defend myself.

598
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and uh sometimes that's that's uh, that's interpreted.

599
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: As being radical, and then I don't give damn vide

600
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 3: is right?

601
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: So so Downille Rawlins ran up on Corey at a

602
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: at the Hollywood Improv and interrupted his set. I ain't

603
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 1: see that, yeah, and just hollering at him, saying, nigga,

604
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm a beast.

605
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: You talking about I'm a mild comic. I'm a beast.

606
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm a beast right now. I didn't know. I did

607
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: not know about that. Tell him in his face, man,

608
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: that ship mild you doing? Man? And they kind of

609
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 3: had this one too.

610
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: What I want to speak to, though, is is that

611
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: Corey Yeah yeah, yeah. So what I want to speak

612
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: to is the conversation surrounding it, Because the conversation surrounding

613
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: that event is that yo, Donelle really is doing that

614
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: because what Corey said about Dave, which is Dave Chappelle

615
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: bombs a lot.

616
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that right, that's how courts. Do you

617
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: do you agree with that?

618
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel comics bomb, Like do you think

619
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: Corey is wrong in his observation for being able to

620
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: say that? Like he said, Yo, when they when they

621
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: on stage, I go outside, I don't. I don't like

622
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: what they doing. But for Dave, he's a good comic,

623
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: but he bombs a lot.

624
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 5: Man, I don't know if you can bomb if you

625
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: got two or three hundred million dollars. I think he's

626
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 5: at a point where he just goes up and he talking.

627
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 5: He working stuff out in his mind. He's watching the crowd.

628
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 5: They react.

629
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 3: He just took. He ain't gotta go up in slammed

630
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: the room. He doesn't, he didn't have to.

631
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 5: The reason it gets hard, it gets harder and harder

632
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 5: for comic to be successful Black comic as he progresses

633
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 5: economically is because.

634
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 3: Black folk about poverty. Most of us just a generation

635
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: maybe two from poverty. Man.

636
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, but when you got, when you are perceived, a's

637
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 5: having when you have or are perceived it's having hundreds

638
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars. It's very hard for a black

639
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 5: crowd to sit down and listen to you talk about

640
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 5: how hard he had pay Bill right. I had this

641
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 5: conversation with a Cinnio whose my pardner. I tould him

642
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 5: at the time when you got when you got millions

643
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 5: of dollars, it's hard for you to connect with a

644
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 5: man that spend it last fifty dollars to sit in

645
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 5: the bleach in the nosebleed section see you.

646
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 3: So it becomes a.

647
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: Thing with But comedy is the one place in the

648
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: culture where it's like it's fair game, like that money.

649
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: Don't excuse you if you're not funny.

650
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 5: You not funny, Well, you might be funny to some people,

651
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 5: and you may be funny to the right or wrong people.

652
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: The biggest lie I ever told about comedy is funny

653
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 5: is funny? That's bullshit because it depends on who's who's talking,

654
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 5: and depends on who you're talking to. That's what I

655
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 5: refuse to do. I've got a lot of offers for

656
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 5: seeds across for shows across the water, across the sea.

657
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 5: I don't know what the hell stay over there. I

658
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 5: ain't lived over there. I don't know nothing, and I

659
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 5: be talking about that. I be talking about how America

660
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 5: is crazy. So I don't want to go to a

661
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 5: foreign country and do that. I can't go to an

662
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 5: army base and talk about how crazy America is.

663
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: So I just I just turned them down. Man.

664
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 5: But it depends on who you're talking to and who's

665
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 5: talking to say, funny is funny If you believe that

666
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 5: Richard Pride, for example, could have taken Bill Cosby's material

667
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 5: and been as effected, Ain't no way in hell Bill

668
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 5: Cosby could go up and do Richid Pride mater and

669
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 5: be effected. No, there's an intricacy, intimacy, and I think

670
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 5: you developed that more of my personal opinion in clubs.

671
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 5: You know, concerts are hitting the they bang bang man

672
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 5: and uh and the you gotta get out of there,

673
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 5: the Union you gotta get out of there. Yeah, you

674
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 5: go do twenty minutes. You get up there and do

675
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 5: thirty if you want to.

676
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: They hit the red light is time to go? Yeah? Yeah.

677
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Do you have you ever shared the stage with someone like,

678
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,959
Speaker 1: you know, the new style like the eighty five South

679
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: Boys is doing. You see how they kind of like

680
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: it's a it's a three way kind of thing on

681
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: stage at the same time, Is that an awkward thing

682
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: for for like the old school for y'all guys that

683
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: came up one man, one mic, just taking care of

684
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: the business.

685
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 5: Hey, man, to me, it's a individual sport. Now, God

686
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 5: bless them, they've been.

687
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: Very successful, right, Yeah, but no, it's not. It's not

688
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: what I'm about.

689
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: Do you think that you are part of Hollywood because

690
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: you've been in a few movies?

691
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: No?

692
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: On the contrary, Man, On the contrary, man, I've you know,

693
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 5: they talk about bowing down all that the Hollywood.

694
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: I just never have.

695
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 5: Even now, I refuse some auditions because I mean, you know,

696
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 5: it's all of a shit show man. Now, I'll I'll

697
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 5: come in the audition for something worthwhile. But you know

698
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 5: me come in and and basically showcase something. Well, why

699
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 5: you call me, right, because you know what I do.

700
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 5: You know what I'm about, So don't call me, ask

701
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 5: me come in? Do James Brown.

702
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 3: Right, because that's what it feels like.

703
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: It definitely feels like I was talking to another comic

704
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: I had nav Green when he was doing Coming to America.

705
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: He was kind of explaining the audition process and he's

706
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: just like this, sitting there stale face and just looking

707
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: at you like you got shit on your face.

708
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 5: And then and I've experienced this, you know, because it's

709
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 5: audition game. You know, you go in you may audition

710
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 5: for thirty show and get one commercial or something. But

711
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 5: you go in there, man, and it's it's kind of

712
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 5: an ins up. You go in there and sit down

713
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 5: and some uh and some twenty two year old white

714
00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 5: girl decide whether you get the part.

715
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 3: Now, it's a hard lesson if you're seventeen trying to

716
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: make it right. Yeah, yeah, but I ain't about this, no,

717
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: nah nah?

718
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you made enough money out of

719
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: this game enough to do what to feel like?

720
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: I ain't.

721
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: I ain't built it. I feel good about I put

722
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: in forty years. It's what I got from or how

723
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: you know.

724
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 5: I probably made more than I could have made doing

725
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 5: anything else. But like that set, man, I'm a I'm content.

726
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 5: I ain't said, man, I ain't got enough money. Yeah,

727
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 5: but I'm alright. After you buy certain things, ain't nothing

728
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 5: money and you can't buy nothing now, right, you know

729
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 5: you can have a two hundred million dollar high, but

730
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 5: I got a high. You know you can have a

731
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 5: five million now a car. But I got a car, right, So,

732
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 5: I mean.

733
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: Relatively speaking, if you got something I don't want, we

734
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: even right, you got fifty million dollars yet and I

735
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 3: don't want. I just made fifty million dollars.

736
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 1: That's a relative that's a good game, right there. Yeah,

737
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: that's an out of game right there.

738
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 3: Boy, I don't want for nothing. Man, do you think

739
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: do you think that in this game, in the comedy.

740
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: World, that there's for toub Are you interested in doing

741
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: movies on too?

742
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 3: Bill? Would you do something like that?

743
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: I got a deal on the I got a deal

744
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 5: on the table with him. Now, I did a television show.

745
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 5: AIB Productions put up most of the money. I put

746
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 5: up the rest. It's called Nappy Valley.

747
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: You know.

748
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 5: I'm a farmer and it's about all my my partner.

749
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: Is working at about a new farm.

750
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 5: It's about all my partners coming to work turn his

751
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 5: land into a farm, you know, right, So yeah, I'm

752
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 5: opening I'm open to that.

753
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's some young entrepreneurs, you know, running around

754
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: with some bags intobi world that reached for your cachet.

755
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 3: In this culture. You know what I mean?

756
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: Put a number out and you'll be surprised their phone

757
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: a ring.

758
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: Hey we got that, We got that number for you, you know, yeah,

759
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 3: and you know and you know you do that. You

760
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 3: go at your own pace.

761
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 5: I shot a special that I was offered that couple

762
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 5: people off of the finance.

763
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 3: I financed it myself. That's dope.

764
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 5: And I got to finish the editing it now and

765
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 5: then I shot it in Birmingham, Alabama to start down.

766
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: But uh, I own it, you know right. It is

767
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 3: that expensive process to shoot a special. It cost me

768
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: for it some time. Now, it's dope.

769
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 5: I imagine you could spend more if you want to

770
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 5: do a certain way. Imagine you could do it and

771
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 5: spend less.

772
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 3: But the return on that, how do you make your

773
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: money back from that?

774
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 5: Well, in the case of me owning it, I'm free

775
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 5: to basically lease it out, so I could get a

776
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 5: Netflix good buy into it, to be whatever, but.

777
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 3: I still own it right as.

778
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 5: Opposed to if I let them put the money up

779
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 5: and then there's a rap right and they buy it

780
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 5: and put it on the shelf.

781
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: So you'll be doing more sot of a license and

782
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: agreement whatever. Just license your content for a couple of years,

783
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: pay you and then you retain ownership after the agreement.

784
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 3: It's dope exactly. And I believe in the project. I

785
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: believe it is bona fide and and and I'm a gambler,

786
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: so I financed it, my damn sir. Yeah, I respect that.

787
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 3: How often do you write jokes? I write every day,

788
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 3: but some of it ain't funny.

789
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you what I do, man, I do

790
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 5: sat tire. Man, it's getting a lot of It's a

791
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 5: lot easier now because you got your phone.

792
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: Man.

793
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 5: I do sat tire, and I kind of do current

794
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 5: events and stuff. But sometime I just be writing and

795
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 5: don't be don't really be funny, but then something maun happen,

796
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 5: Something would happen in the world, in society that makes

797
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 5: it relevant. So I'd be like, I wrote something about

798
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 5: how unfat he is for a brother to live on

799
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 5: certain side of Atlanta, and then something happened, It makes

800
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 5: it relevant, you know what I mean? But right, pretty

801
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 5: much every day, but most of it ended up in

802
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 5: the trash.

803
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: Do you think that you can start off funny in

804
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: comedy and run out of funny?

805
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you don't stay current and stay on what's happening,

806
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 5: because you know, most comics start off talking about the

807
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 5: same thing, parting on the elevation. Yeah, woman, period, which

808
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 5: ain't never been funny. I'll be watching the bomb with that.

809
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 5: I'd be like that ain't gonna work. Player, It's some shit.

810
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 5: You just can't make it funny. Man, You will sit

811
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 5: through a bombing.

812
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 3: I sit through. Yeah, I sit through a bunch of them.

813
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: They funny to me. People the comics tend to laugh

814
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: at bombing.

815
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 5: Oh man, I'm gonna tell you something that's changed. Back

816
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 5: in the day, guys, in my era, we would go

817
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 5: up some nights like we're there, Oh Mike night was

818
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 5: big back then for Black Coming, and we would go

819
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 5: up some nights challenge each other.

820
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say nothing. I ever said it before.

821
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 3: Do it die if I bomb my just bump.

822
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 5: And then after the show we go to waffle house

823
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 5: and sit till the sun come up, man, and and

824
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 5: be critiquing each other.

825
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: You know, nigga, you should have said this, You should

826
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: have said that. You should have said it.

827
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 5: So it wasn't that. It wasn't that like it is now.

828
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 5: You know, That's what's ma material.

829
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 3: We was going there. We was going there and literally, man,

830
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: we would help each other right then bump up, bump

831
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 3: up jokes like you know that funny concept, man, But

832
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: what you said wasn't the shit, and we would go

833
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 3: back and forth and it was all, uh, it was

834
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: a camaraderie. Now that it doesn't, it's not the same. Nah.

835
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: But that's one thing I think eighty five South got,

836
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: even though the shutters, they got that car rottery, because

837
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: they ain't worried about each other stealing the joke or

838
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: running out. With social media, it's much more easier to

839
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: claim ownership over something that's not yours, right over the

840
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: idea of something. If your following it's bigger or something

841
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: like that. You you you, you retain ownership or whatever

842
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: that is that you presented. But I think that's unfortunate.

843
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: But I got some stuff back then.

844
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 5: You know, I used to travel with a little uh,

845
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 5: a little bitty consider because what you call it name minty.

846
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 3: Because you got what they called Yeah, I can listen

847
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: let you, I could let you listen to some shit.

848
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: You would be like that sounds very familiar.

849
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: You ain't got to tell me. I'm trying to get it.

850
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand why you ain't saying it. You known,

851
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: some stuff.

852
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: Is coincidence and some some stuff you know, you know

853
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: what deal is.

854
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that man, like I mean, but

855
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: I think you a player, you know, a capital P.

856
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 3: So I respect how you handle it. Brother.

857
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 5: Let me tell you how to describe my said. I'm

858
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 5: a gentleman and a gangster. Fact, but I ain't. I

859
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 5: ain't trying to bring nobody else, Damn God blessing.

860
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, back in the day, do you think I was

861
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: talking to a comedy and I wanted to ask you

862
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: about saying that you was in the era or just

863
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: around and know about comedy. Andrew Dice Clay, Yeah, was

864
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: his wave as big as as as it's presented to

865
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: the culture. Because they tell you was sending that Madison

866
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: squad up and blah blah blah blah. But it's longevity,

867
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't right, He didn't, you know, so he jumped out

868
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: of the gate.

869
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 5: And back then because comedy wasn't exposed like it is now,

870
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 5: so you had another fact that it now is.

871
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 3: So you had a shock factor, right, shock jock?

872
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean you could be shocking and not

873
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 5: really be that funny, right and day he was shocking.

874
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 5: They couldn't believe he was saying that ship. He was

875
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 5: sending that masion squad. God man, three folk shows a day, right, Uh,

876
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 5: but it's longevity, so I might Uh you know, I

877
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 5: got a saying man, uh you know, cause I don't

878
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 5: be in no hurry to do nothing. I I my

879
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 5: saying is not saying patientself, don't raise yourself, right and

880
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 5: uh he jumped out there and he was. He was

881
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 5: rolling for a while after that, you know. And with

882
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 5: social media now and then, uh, death jam and all that,

883
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 5: That's one thing it did that I feel was positive.

884
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 5: It removed all that shock shit. Yeah cause back then

885
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 5: they'd be ye hear what they saying. They shocked me, Yeah,

886
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 5: but it wasn't necessarily funny. But now the people that

887
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 5: grew up on death jam and stuff, man, they forty

888
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 5: fifty years old, so you ain't gonna score no points

889
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 5: just shocking somebody, right.

890
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Speaker 1: I think back then we they had and we'll we're

891
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Speaker 1: gonna wrap it up after this.

892
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 3: Back then.

893
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: They had Eddie Murphy as well, doing that stand up

894
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: thing he was was he competitors? Was that a competition thing?

895
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: Like what they selling out at the same time? Who

896
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: was running alongside Dice Clay when he was doing that,

897
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: because he was using rap, hip hop shit, and I'm

898
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,439
Speaker 1: just wondering who black was moving around at the same time,

899
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: Like on that scale, it's probably only Eddie.

900
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 5: Yeah that in that group, it's probably only Eddie man.

901
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: Uh, but if you're.

902
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 5: Talking about if you're talking about the skill of performing

903
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 5: and the skill of comedy and substance, Andrew dan Clay

904
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 5: couldn't touch.

905
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: Eddie, right, And I always tend to think white comedy

906
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: can't really even though it from from just by numbers,

907
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna sell and do certain things. But when we

908
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: I think people enjoy black comedy more than white comedy.

909
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: Because it's more funny. Yeah, I believe that.

910
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's wrong to say, like, but

911
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: that's it's funny man's and then it's hard.

912
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 5: Just like I was saying, give an example of uh,

913
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 5: you know, if you're coming, if you made millions of dollars,

914
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 5: it becomes harder for you because to connect the whole

915
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 5: thing is by connecting with your audience. How you gonna

916
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 5: be up there and you got three hundred million dollars

917
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 5: or perceived to have three hundred million Whitey and them

918
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 5: can't perform no more because black comedy about hard times.

919
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 3: You know about then bills coming.

920
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 5: You ain't got no money, and you cannot realistically or

921
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 5: convincingly talk about that when you got two hundred three

922
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 5: hundred million dollars. Man, anybody trying to hear that, you

923
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 5: come off with phony. So you're gonna have to go

924
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 5: up there like her boy and talking about you were

925
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 5: talking to the gold fish this morning, and the gold

926
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 5: fish said, right, So I said that to say, it's

927
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 5: hard for the quote unquote oppressor to entertain the oppressed.

928
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 5: Now the oppressed can entertain the oppressor, but it.

929
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: But it's it's hard. It's hard for.

930
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 5: It's hard for a person who's been uh uh on

931
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 5: the easy rapped so to speak, to make me laugh

932
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 5: and uh yeah, you just your problem I got with

933
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 5: and you know, uh, I got some mexicings work for me.

934
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 5: But uh, the immigration taking over. The problem I got

935
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 5: with it is it's the history of America. Man, even

936
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 5: though you know they coming over here five six thousand

937
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 5: deep a day, I ain't with that. When you got

938
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 5: pour folks over here already that you claim you can't feed.

939
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 5: But I got a problem raising hell by the Mexicans

940
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 5: coming over here voluntarily when my people were brought over

941
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 5: here against their will. So it's hard for me, even

942
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 5: though I realized the economics of it, it's hard for

943
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 5: me to be standing up hollering don't let the Mexicans

944
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 5: in here. Don't let the Mexicans in here, and my

945
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 5: people I'm here as a result. Are you bringing my

946
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 5: people over here against their will? Now I'm gonna get

947
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 5: over here and get halfway up on my feet, and

948
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 5: then I'm gonna be talking about don't let them voluntarily

949
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 5: coming over.

950
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 3: Here, come over here to work.

951
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 5: And you brought me over here to work, brought my

952
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 5: people over here against the will at the work.

953
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 3: So indeed, it's.

954
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: Something to think about for real. That's that's some that's

955
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: some ship to think about. That's why I respect comedians.

956
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 1: That that that observation of it all.

957
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's why I respect Mexicans. Yo. Man, it's

958
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: up that podcast, DC Curve. Man. I appreciate you, brother,

959
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: last I appreciate you so much.

960
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: Man.

961
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 5: I wanted to give with your to date. Man, but

962
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 5: them clubs, they be weighing my hands out.

963
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 3: Man. I already know what I appreciate you, bro. You're

964
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: letting on brother, calling me that man. I take that

965
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 3: just got about six months later. Stop it.

966
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 5: I appreciate anything I said ain't acceptable because of that

967
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 5: ship you was smoking.

968
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: On me. It's on me, Thank you, brother, that on man.

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00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: You're good man your progress, Radam. Thanks for watching this

970
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Speaker 3: clip from Its Up There podcast. To see the rest

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