WEBVTT - Planned Parenthood's War Against Healthcare Workers, Part 2 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.360 Welcome to Dick It Happen Here, a podcast about NGO 0:00:07.480 --> 0:00:10.240 is portraying the working class and casting reproductive autonomy to 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:12.799 the wolves. I'm your host, Christopher Wong, and this is 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.400 part two of my interview with Crystal and Elizabeth from 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.680 UEI Local sixe six. They are once again representing only 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:23.200 themselves in the union and not planned parenthood. Yes, so 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.360 let's get back to the interview. Okay, should should I? 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.400 Should I do a incredibly long and drawn out metaphor 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:35.280 about migrant workers in China? Go for it? Yeah, Okay, 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.920 So I'm gonna, I'm Gonna'm gonna, I'm gonna do a 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.239 man for it. Okay, So alright, alright. So one of 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.200 one of the sort of engines of Chinese economic growth 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.480 for a long time is that China's economy is built 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.919 on migrant labor. There are I think it's like two 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.360 fifty million migrant workers. It's like like if you put 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.400 them together as a country, I think I got to nine. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:57.000 If you put together as a country, it would be 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.160 like the fourth largest country in the world. And this 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.760 was able to happen, you know, and like the sort 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:05.720 of like the secret of the Chinese miracle is that 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.120 it was a bunch of workers who were exploited horribly 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:12.520 and they also had a lot A lot of these 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:14.759 workers are coming from the countryside, and there's still sort 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.480 of like kinds of forms of like communal landownership that 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.559 are left over from the socialist period there. And so 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.640 what happens is you have these sort of like I 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.000 don't know, like kind of socialist collective air like collective 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:31.200 landownership stuff that's like basically subsidizing these workers so that 0:01:31.240 --> 0:01:33.720 they can move into the cities. And this means that 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.720 their bosses have to pay like that their their bosses 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.160 can pay them less because part of their income and 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.440 part of their support network is coming from something that's 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.479 outside of the outside of the such a system. And 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.360 that's what this reminds me of where it's like, this 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:52.000 stuff is happening because of this incredible community mobilization and 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.680 like that's where the support is coming from. But that 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.600 also means that like the actual like the organizations who 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.800 are getting the most money and the most resources into 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:02.720 are like you know, who are your bosses don't have 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:04.600 to do that because it's it's you know, and this 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.440 is the same thing with your labor to where it's 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:12.919 it's you have these these like there's this way in 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.200 which solidarity is mobilized as a way to sort of 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.440 like stop gap the fact that these groups don't want 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:19.959 to pay people and don't want to give people the 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.680 resources that are necessary, and so because it has to 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.200 get done, people will, like, people will do it, and 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.359 people will people will donate stuff, people will help support, 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.400 people will do this work. But the thing that it 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.280 winds up doing is that these people are never actually 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:34.480 forced to see the full consequences of their actions. They're 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.480 never never forced to like actually see what what the 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.600 staff and decisions like does what what the fact that 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:41.600 they don't pay you anything? Like actually does they don't? 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.680 They never have to face it because people are like 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.800 desperately trying to patch the boat together so it doesn't sink. Yeah, 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:51.120 I've been thinking a lot, like what would it be 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:54.640 like if you know, one of our higher up managers 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:59.400 turned away all of these patients and it was them, Yeah, 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.480 what if they knew what it was like? I remember 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.680 picking up the phone a couple of weeks ago, and 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.920 the only thing that I heard when I picked up 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.840 that phone was a blood curdling scream like This was 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.480 like a scream out of a horror movie. And then 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:22.880 there were two thuds and then dead sides and I 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:28.160 don't know what happened to that person. I I don't 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:32.000 know if they were able to call back. I didn't 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:34.760 call back because if that person is in danger right now, 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.960 I'm not going to subject them to any more danger. UM. 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.640 There's a reason that when we dial out it's the 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:48.040 restricted or block numbers. But it's moments like that that 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.240 stick with you. And the fact that we're having more 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:53.400 and more of these moments where like every other call 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:58.160 is not like exactly to that level, but like emotionally 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:04.160 still sticks with you. And just for some additional UM, 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.200 just like to kind of like build out this kind 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:11.280 of like misogynistic context that we're working. And it's actually 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:16.920 super common to get people calling in for abortion services, 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.000 like in the middle of a fight with their partner. UM. 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.760 I have had had like men like actively obstructing the 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:29.599 caller and you know, I'm trying to schedule them, and 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:33.440 they'll have me on speaker phone and everything and training 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.640 me to and I was like, are you able to 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.200 get to like another place because I can't hear you 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.039 over him? And you know, and he's like, I'm not 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.919 doing anything, and I'm like I just need to be 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.560 able to hear you, and like, um, yeah, so you 0:04:48.640 --> 0:04:52.000 do you get that because that's you know, because there's 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.520 people want abortions for every reason under the sun, and 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.400 it's totally fine. Um. People get abortions for lots of 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.240 different reasons, but a common reason is because their partner 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:04.760 sucks and he's a piece of ship. He was abusive 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:08.479 and they got to get away from him. And that's 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:13.960 unfortunately common. And we're on the phone getting that. Sometimes 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.680 we get to meet them in real life too, and 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.039 that's always super fun. I always say that, I say 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:22.320 to patients constantly that boyfriends either only go one of 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.720 two ways when we meet them in our clinic. They're 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:30.080 either wonderful and fantastic and very supportive um or they're 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:36.800 just the worst. And I've had patients boyfriends who literally, 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.479 while this person is mid procedure will be like, you're 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:45.080 being dramatic and need to stop, and they'll take a 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:50.120 phone call yeah or something, but playing games on their 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:54.359 phone and they won't look at anybody m or they'll 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:57.400 actively leave their partner there. And these are people that 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:01.840 like were their rides. Oh yeah, we've had people get abandoned. Yeah. Yeah, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.600 they'll just see like I'm done, I'm bored, and then 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:10.719 they'll just leave and it's just so frustrating. Lots of 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:13.520 deal with We have a lot to deal with the staff. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:17.680 And I always tell people because I trained UM staff 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.440 at the clinic, and I'm always like, we see everything here. 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:22.159 And when I say I say that, I mean it. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:27.480 We see literally everything like you just and I'm sure 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.760 there are other similar health provisions like health services that 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.599 it's kind of similar. We just kind of see everything, UM, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:39.400 but yeah, we we literally see everything because people when 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:43.400 people come in for an abortion appointment, UM, like we 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.760 don't just talk about the procedure, you know, we do 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:51.719 birth control counseling, STD screening, UM, we provide resources for housing, 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:57.200 legal support, UM, therapy, finding therapists, and we just we 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.040 we do so much because we're providing a comprehend of 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.560 health care service. And again, like something that we tell 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.760 patients is that they can expect to be here for 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:11.280 like four hours six and it depends on the individual patients, 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:15.880 their individual needs UM and what services we can provide 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.960 for them. And sometimes patients need a lot of TLC 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.840 and we're not going to rush that. Um, they're going 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:25.800 to get the services that they need and they want, 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:28.480 and we're going to do it on their time because 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:32.360 they're very they're very fragile, and that's not the time 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:36.840 to run times through. They're not always so sometimes they're 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.560 fragile and like sometimes they're like, let's get this done, 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:41.280 you know, I just oh, yeah, I just want to 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:46.440 the whole range of we get, we get. But sometimes 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:51.040 they're very fragile. Yeah. We have had some really confident 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.400 patients that I really like talking to though that they're 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.560 very yeah, like ready to get it over with and 0:07:57.600 --> 0:08:00.520 are like thanks for being here, and they just my day. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.040 I love it when we're like, oh, how do because 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:04.360 we have to you know, we have to do like 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:06.920 make sure that they're not being coerced in everything. And 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.880 it's like, so, you know, how are you feeling about everything? 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:10.960 And they're like, I feel great. I can't wait to 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.480 not be pregnant, and they're like dancing. Obviously that's nice, 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:17.280 but you know, in reality, a lot of times when 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.880 we ask someone how they're feeling and what's going on, 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.240 we're like the first person to have asked them that 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.920 in like two years, so then we're like opening up 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.640 a space, which I'm so glad we get to do. Um. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:37.240 I love working with patients, I love the services we provide, UM. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:39.720 But it's it's what what sucks and what's a failure 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.320 is that I'm like the first healthcare provider to like 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:47.880 ask them how they're feeling and actually care and like years, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.600 like we really get something. We get some patients who 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.080 have been like shoot up and spit out by the 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.400 health care system, and no one's ever given a ship 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:58.080 and we all, we all are very good at giving 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:03.120 a ship. So um. Yeah, it really seems like just 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.600 like everything that's wrong with this country gets thrown at 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:13.000 like you specifically, because this is like like every every 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.440 sort of like every bit of racism, every bit of sexism, 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.559 like every like failure of the health care system, like 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.480 every every like and it's not even like everything on 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.760 a political level and on a social level that goes 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:33.000 wrong with people's lives. Yeah, I think it comes up 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:36.240 a lot with stigmatized health care UM like abortion and 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.520 then also hormotherapy I imagine was pretty similar. Is you're 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.280 facing a lot of obstacles that are put up by 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.960 the communities, the institution, and the health care system. The 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:51.280 employer is like your family. There's a Remember we did 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.560 an interview with a promotion activist from Mexico. One of 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.320 the things that she was talking about was, um, she 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:03.960 called it social decriminalization. Oh, is it kind of destigmatizing? 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.320 Like yeah, yeah, but it's like, like I think she 0:10:06.320 --> 0:10:08.440 didn't talk about it a huge amount, but it seemed 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.720 like the concept behind it, it was like, Okay, so 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.480 you have legal you have like legal criminalization, but then yeah, 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:18.080 like social segmatization means that it's still not really legal 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.319 because there's there's like there's you know, there's like social 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.199 laws against the rights. You have to like deal with both. 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.520 And that that struck me as like a really I 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.280 don't know, it's a really powerful like way to think 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.280 about it. I guess. Is it kind of like a 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.240 moral thing where people think, like it's not okay to 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:35.319 get an abortion, so you get like that pressure and that, Yeah, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:37.200 and I think and also I mean, like it's not 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.720 it's it's it's the pressure like applied on a person 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.240 from just like you know, like I mean in Mexico 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.040 is a lot of like people who a growing up Catholic, right, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.559 but also like it's the pressure from your family, is 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.280 pressure from your friends, it's a pressure from everyone around you, 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:54.480 and you have to like socially like legalize it. Because 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:56.960 Crystal has been doing this work longer than I have. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:10:59.720 Like I said, I've only been working at our current 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:03.800 job for a year, which I love. UM, But definitely 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:08.360 when I started, UM, there were people in my life 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.120 that I didn't think, we're gonna get weird about it, 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.720 because I know a lot of liberal people. Most of 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:19.800 all of my friends are very liberal, very open pro choice, 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:26.880 like very union friendly. And immediately I noticed that when 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:31.480 I started talking happily about abortions, people would get really 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:37.400 quiet and really awkward. Um, and they would be like 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:40.000 that's great, I'm happy for you. But then that was 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.000 like it like I couldn't and I'd be like no, 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:48.000 but like abortions and then they're great, They're great. People 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.000 need them. It's an essential service. And so I just 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.720 upped up the anti more and I started talking about 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:58.959 it a lot more. This is what I gotta do, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.120 gotta weed out the week. Like if you're uncomfortable with 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.960 my job, job, I'm not going to talk about it. 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.440 But yeah, that is a component to like also on 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.680 top of literally everything else, like um, you know, like 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.240 how hard the job is and how then we got 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.000 to like rally as a union and get better wages 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:20.839 and and then we can't even sometimes talk about it 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.560 because because the stigma like with friends or family, like 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.800 I can't talk about my parents or I can't talk 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.280 with my parents about my job. So it's just like 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.040 this whole big part of my life because I'm pretty 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:35.800 much like an abortion access activist and I just can't 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:39.000 talk about it and with them, which is just you know, 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.079 it's it would be nice if I could, but I can't, 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:43.200 and I just kind of deal with it. And then 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:48.679 also um even tiny normal situations like getting a haircut 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.640 or getting an uber, it's people ask you what you 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.760 do all the time. I lie every time, But that's 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.280 a decision you have to make because sometimes I lie 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:00.800 and sometimes I don't know what it is just going 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.679 to tell the truth, and it's like a gamble because 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.079 I've told the truth before and then an uber driver 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.439 starts praying for me. And then I've told the truth 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.679 before and had someone um like open up to me, 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:13.719 and then we have a great conversation and then I've 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.640 told the truth before and had really awkward conversations were 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.120 like I support abortion, I think some people have too 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.199 many and it's like, why are you telling me to 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.640 get out here? But um, yeah, this was a decision 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.480 that I made for myself personally because of this. One 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.640 time I took an uber to work and I mentioned 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:35.720 what I did, and then that guy um started like 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.920 talking about me to the antis in front of our 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:44.440 job and they were like talking about it was it 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.440 was actually it was a woman. It was a it 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.440 was a female Uber driver. I mentioned this to her um, 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.840 and she went up and was like, I think that 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.559 like what you guys are doing. It's like she was 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.839 talking to the anti specifically. She was like, what you're 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:01.600 doing it is too aggressive. You need to buy the 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.839 building next door, Oh my god, set up shop there 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.880 and make it less antagonizing so people want to listen 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.720 to you. And then immediately in the group chat, everybody 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:13.480 was like, who's talking to the antis? And I'm like, 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:18.000 I just mentioned that I worked there. Um. It was 0:14:18.040 --> 0:14:20.560 just a lot. So after that, I was like, on 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.680 my way to work at the very least, I'm just 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.200 not going to talk about it. I'm gonna be like 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.960 I work at a doctor's office downtown. It's like risk assessment. Yeah, 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.120 I feel like the antis learned my name by listening 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:34.880 for the uber drivers and I've got an uber drivers. 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.520 They're like, who are you? What's your name? And I'm like, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:39.040 I'm not going to tell you because there's a dude 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:43.560 standing there that wants to follow me. So you're gonna 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.800 deal with that a brew driver. Yeah, we gotta switch 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:50.880 up patterns when we come into work sometimes too. And 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.840 I do what I actually started, Um when I call 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.680 an uber to work because I don't have a car 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.280 all the time because I don't get paid that much. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:03.320 But U when I have to uber to work, Um, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.600 I've started getting dropped off like somewhere else and just 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:12.320 walking because it's just too too many problems, too much, 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:14.840 Like I got, I get dropped off at like a 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.600 different location, like a couple of blocks away from work, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.720 at a different spot usually, and then I just walk in. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:23.600 Like if you you might just want to go to 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.280 work and drink your coffee and you have like your 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:32.560 uber driver joining the protests outside, it's like then it's 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:34.760 worse because they know they picked you up, they know 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:38.160 where you live and they know your name, your name, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:45.680 they want to shout your name out the door. It's like, because, yeah, 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.600 the protesters learned my name and they like chant my 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.040 name and we're like, I'll walk behind and like the 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.320 whispering my name. I'm like, what is this? This is 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:57.240 kind this is kind of kinky, but like yeah, and 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.280 we decide that they don't actually know who you are. 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.360 They just like every do with banks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.440 So for the listeners, I have like pretty blunt banks. Yeah, 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.640 but I'm not the only worker in the building obviously 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.600 who has banks. But so everyone in the buildings like Crystal, Crystal. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.840 I think everybody with banks worts your worker named Crystal. 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.960 I guess that's reassuring, but also bad for other people 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:26.920 with banks because they might get killed. Yeah, it's like 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:29.040 funny but not funny. I'm just you got were trying 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:42.600 to make light of it. We all we have to. Yeah. 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:44.400 So the other thing I still wanted to ask about 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.000 was Crystal. Yeah, you've had like the bosses doing disciplinary 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.160 action for stuff that you've been doing in terms of 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.760 unions stuff. We'll talk about that a little bit technically 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.320 pre disciplinary, but I mean, like, what does it matter 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.840 because like the point is the same is is intimidation. UM. 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.320 It's very easy to do, is to get your lawyer, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.560 get your HR and have them talk to someone, and 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.680 then everybody knows about it because everybody talks at work 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:14.200 and bad gas travels fast and UM, then they and 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.280 the whole idea is to to scare people into not 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:23.880 talking to reporters, not talking to UM people about what's 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:28.680 going on. And I feel like it's difficult to talk 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:32.880 about what's been happening like this is like I keep 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.679 saying it, it's a it's a national health crisis. It's 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:40.359 a disaster, it's a tidal wave, it's a hurricane, and 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.359 it's generational trauma. We're using all of these words, and 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.919 then like I feel like being I'm pressured into not 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.400 even talking about it because I'm talking about everything. I'm 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.080 talking about how we're understaffed, I'm talking about how we're 0:17:54.160 --> 0:18:00.000 seeing patients from all over. I'm talking about, UM, how 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:03.919 how traumatizing it is. And for whatever reason, it's just 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.840 more comforting for some of these organizations to hide under 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.439 the table with their lawyer and just like shaking their 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.359 boots and say, like we could be sued for this 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.440 and we could be sued for that and what if 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.719 that happens? What if this happens? And like for me, 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:20.920 it's like, well, you know what, what what if someone 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:25.600 dies because we can't get them in and they can't 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:30.040 get to us because of legislation and there being no 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:34.240 health care infrastructure because part of healthcare is also getting 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.159 to the appointment. Um, so if like none of that 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.119 exists and like people are suffering because of it, Like 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.639 I just can't keep my mouth shut about that. And 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.199 I definitely feel like as like somebody a member on 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:49.320 the bargaining team, and I also am ced our rally. Um, 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:51.359 I feel like there's been a lot of pressure on 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.720 me and my big mouth. Um. I feel like I've 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.639 they're trying to intimidate me and scare me. And I'm 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:03.880 blessed for a reasons. Number One, UM, my dad, who 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.080 is otherwise conservative and doesn't support anything that I do, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.840 but he was a union stewart, and growing up, I 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.480 would see him resolving conflict as a union stewart and 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.560 that was very influential and inspirational to me because it 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.199 really instilled some good values, even though we don't have 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:24.760 the same values obviously, but and you didn't. But there's that, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.200 Like I I developed like a strong sense of labor 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:31.800 rights and labor activism from him and then too, my 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:36.480 first career choice was a middle school teacher, so I've 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:39.600 taught seventh and eighth grade for about seven years. So like, 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:43.199 literally nothing scares me, because after you've talked to a 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.199 cafeteria full of a hundred and twenty thirteen year olds, 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.360 it's like that's it. That's like the scariest thing ever. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:54.520 Um So I'm not really afraid of the bullying and 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.359 the intimidation. Um, which is good because it definitely is 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.480 very effective and I'm sure a lot of people would 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:07.320 be pissing themselves, but um, I'm pissing uself a little bit, 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.600 but I'm fine. Um, I have a second job after 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:14.399 all that, Like that's like fun, the fact you have 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:18.000 to work another job. Like and they're like one of 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:19.800 the things I noticed is they're they're doing they're doing 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.520 the working you for thirty five hours and not forty 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:28.560 because yeah, so don't benefits. I don't know. Like the 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:30.480 impression that I get from this and I think that 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.560 makes you really angry is like it really feels like 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.840 like the like how worried they are about being suited. 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:38.840 It feels like like the fact that that's sort of 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:43.800 like the basis of all this, and just like they 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.600 they they're behaving as if they've already lost and they're 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.320 trying to like like claw and hold onto whatever they have. 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.159 But it's like if if if you're if you're fighting 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.719 from the position of we have already lost, you're you're 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.159 just gonna keep losing. And it's like and and and 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:01.639 you know it's not just that it's like okay, like 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.199 if they were just doing that, but then you know, 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:09.399 like not passing, like not literally forcing everyone else who's 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:12.000 working with them to also be in the same sort 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:13.760 of defeatism, like it would be different. But it's like 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.159 it's like no, that they're they're then inflicting that on you, 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:21.480 and it's just infuriating. Yeah. I think this also, um 0:21:21.600 --> 0:21:27.320 to segue to something that actually had happened to me today. 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.919 Um as part of um, you know, being in a 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:36.919 call center for an abortion provider is that we I 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:42.360 think this instills like a sense of fear for providers 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.719 as well, um, for their own personal safety. It just 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.080 makes it feel bigger because you have all these other 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:53.959 people would be like, well, it's it's like, these are 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:55.679 all these things that could happen to you, this is 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:58.439 what might happen to you. UM. And I think that 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:03.040 it makes providers have to evaluate, you know, their own 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:08.800 risks to what they do. UM. And if you are 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:13.040 somebody with not as strong values for this work, like 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.240 it's not a strong an opinion towards this work, it 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:21.840 causes UM, you to just neglect patients because UM. I 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.520 had an incident that happened today where we had somebody 0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:31.919 call UM from a different state where abortion is not legal, 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.879 and they had their best friend in the car with 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:40.040 them and they were like, my friend is like actively hemorrhaging. 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:44.000 She's been like bleeding for days. UM, do you have 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.600 like an emergency appointment? Like we could drive up to 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:50.080 p A. UM, Like what do I do? She's been 0:22:50.160 --> 0:22:52.639 to her doctor three different times and they refused to 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:57.760 treat her because they like viable. And in my brain, 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:00.240 I'm just shaking because I'm like, this is a h 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:05.440 this is your job, Like you're the first thing as 0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.800 a doctor is to make sure that your patient doesn't die, 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:14.199 and they might die and I'm not a doctor. UM. 0:23:15.760 --> 0:23:19.600