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We are santan Ford, Paul Calvic, Ron Wolfley 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:28.039 soon to be joined by network level NFL insider Steve Whitch, 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:30.480 who will join us on this one as we talk 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.959 all about last Thursday night and beyond the NFL Draft 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:39.119 that was and everything that was forecasted and spoke into 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.240 existence when Jonathan Gannon said it a week before that 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:46.320 I can't wait to see maniasin Ford work the phones man. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.640 He wasn't kidding, I mean that was foreshadowing. Because Ron Wolfley, 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.000 your immediate reaction, my immediate reaction, thanks for asking a 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.040 draft night, would be as follows. If these rookie players 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.600 can execute as well as the rookie GM did under 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:04.280 pressure during draft weekend, then guess what this will be 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.880 a worthwhile twenty twenty three draft class. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:10.320 No, you're right about that, Pauly. Honestly, I was really 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:14.960 really impressed with maniasin Fort and his manipulation and the 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:19.360 machinations back and forth all over this draft. And it 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:22.480 wasn't just the first round poly as you well known, 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.880 it was through the entire draft Day one, Day two, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.720 in Day three. Day one was just a harbinger of 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.880 things to come. For the most part in this draft, 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.800 I was so impressed with maniasin Fort and his ability 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.119 to maneuver. But you know me, on this Polly, these 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.040 rookies and now it's time to play. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.720 Rook no doubt. You know, they come out with the 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:51.720 draft grades. It's just laughable. Nobody really knows. Maniasin Ford 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.240 didn't really know how everything would stack up. He said 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.080 right after the draft, told the media, you know what, 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:00.520 it was everything I expected and more, I meaning, just 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.720 you know how intense it was. In fact, after the 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.120 entirety of the draft, That's what he said. It was intense. 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.520 And look when you trade down from three to twelve 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.880 and then come back up to number six, think about 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.760 the fact there hadn't been a draft night trade in 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.400 the top nine picks in the last four years, and 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.519 so you were define history and you were doing it 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.799 as a first time GM the decision maker in that 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.679 war room. And on the most recent addition to the 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.840 Day Pash podcast, mantiasa Fort sat down with the voice 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.200 of the Cardinal's Day Pash, and he kind of gave 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.560 us all a window as to how those trades came 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:36.800 to be. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.960 I wanted to go into Thursday with parameters of what 0:03:40.000 --> 0:03:42.720 was going to happen. I didn't want a cold call 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:44.600 to come out of the blue, and number three and 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.040 us start from ground zero. So when number two did 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.160 come off the board, you know, there were some teams 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:52.440 that weren't interested anymore. And coming up to number three, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.560 there were some teams that were still interested in coming 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.960 to number three, but we weren't starting from zero. We 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.280 kind of had a ballpark of what we were trying 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.680 to do, and you know, ultimately we were able to 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:04.560 work through and come up with a deal that worked. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.360 And so those conversations and other interviews Manias Aboard said 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.280 really started at the combine where he went around the combine. 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.160 Wolfe said, you know, we might pick a number three, 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.560 but we might not. Would you be interested in discussing 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.080 the parameters of a trade if you were willing to 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.760 come up to number three, And so obviously you better 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.840 have the framework of a deal in place, because when 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.200 that clock is ticking, you have ten minutes in counting. 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.040 Pretty tough to put together a deal from scratch. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.839 Yeah, Paully, no doubt about it. And to move back 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.040 from number three all the way to number twelve and 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.440 get the hall that he did right there, and then 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.359 move back up and get the best offensive lineman, at 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.120 least to me in this draft, I man, that is 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:51.960 just some great maneuvering by Moni once again, and it's 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:55.560 something that will certainly benefit the Arizona Cardinals going forward 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:58.680 if they've got a general manager who knows how to 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.920 swing a deal. This had to be orchestrated Pully. It 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.440 had to be almost simultaneously pulled off. He had to 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:08.720 know that he had in his back pocket the ability 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.120 to come back up to number six and get Paris 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.080 Johnson Junior High. It just it was masterful. 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.800 For Houston to go from twelve to three. The Cardinals 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.719 ended up with a twelfth pick. They ended up with 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.560 a thirty third pick in this draft. They ended up 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.680 with a twenty twenty four round one pick, ding and 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.080 then the round three picks. So think about that right here. 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:36.200 Right now, as we stand, the Cardinals have six picks 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.599 in the first three rounds of the twenty twenty four draft, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.800 which is already considered by all the experts to be 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.120 a stronger draft than this year's edition. You think about 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.360 a Houston Texans team that has won a grand total 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.320 of eleven games over the last three years, and if 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.360 they're starting rookie c. J. Stroud, I mean, Demiko Ryans great, 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.279 but what are the odds that that could easily be 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.000 a top five pick for the Cardinals. 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.520 Yeah, no, you're right about that, Poli. That could be 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.280 a top five, that could be the number one pick overall. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:10.400 I'm just saying it could be that, and that makes 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:15.039 it so valuable obviously to the Arizona Cardinals going forward. 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.320 Can I also just say this, Polly, right now, my 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.960 favorite trade of the draft was Manty austen Ford taking 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.919 pick number ninety six and trading it for picks one, two, 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.800 one thirty nine, and one sixty eight. Right now, listen, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.200 I consider mid round picks three to five, you know, 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.640 the third round, the fourth round, the fifth round. I 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.839 consider those to be mid round picks right there. So 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:43.120 you had one mid round pick at number ninety six, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:48.440 and you got that traded for three mid round picks. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.400 I love that move right there because it recognizes the fact, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.159 especially in this draft, which many people believe wasn't as 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.400 talented as as you said, PAULI next year's draft is 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.240 going to be And now, all of a sudden, though, 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:06.919 you get three mid round picks for one mid round 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.480 pick at ninety six. That to me is value. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:11.119 Yeah. 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.640 Specifically, you take that late third rounder and it becomes 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.040 John Gains in the fourth round, the guard out of 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.920 UCLA who can also play some center. It becomes the 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:23.320 quarterback out of Houston Clayton Tune round five, and then 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.760 it becomes Owen Papo, the linebacker, super athletic out of 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.360 Auburn round five. So to your point, you took that 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:32.160 one late third round, you turn into three players in 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.520 rounds four and five combined. But again the headliner is 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.240 number six overall. That would be Paris Johnson, Junior, the 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.880 highest drafted offensive tackle lot of Ohio State since Orlando 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.840 Pace went number one overall in nineteen ninety seven. He 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.640 brings a lot of different aspects, including positional flexibility. Two 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.440 years ago, as sophomore year, start all thirteen games at 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.640 right guard. Last year he was a starting left tackle, 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.680 second team All Americans. So Jonathan Gannon was asked, where 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:01.239 do you think Paris Johnson might play? 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.880 He's obviously played outside and inside. You know, we just 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.520 got to get him on the grass and see where 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.360 he kind of fits in with the other guys. I'm 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.400 very comfortable, you know what he's put on tape of 0:08:12.480 --> 0:08:15.520 playing a lot of different spots on that offensive line. 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:19.160 So we'll put the best guys out there and hopefully 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.760 move people in the run game and keep the quarterback 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:22.800 up right in the past game. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.840 Well, if no member in the media watches more of 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.160 the offensive line drills than you, So that being the case, 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.800 you play fantasy GM. Right here, fantasy head coach, where 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.360 do you think Paris Johnson lines up this season? 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:36.760 Yeah, that is a great question right there, Pauly. But 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:38.959 for me personally, I'm going to take him and I'm 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.040 going to stick him at left guard. That's what I'm 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:44.760 going to do. Number One, he's on the left side 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.720 of the line of scrimmage. I see him being a 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:51.680 left tackle at some point in time, Paris Johnson Junior 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.200 being a franchise left tackle. So put him on on 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.880 the left side of the offensive line at left guard. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:01.240 Put him there at the left guard tradition, Pauly, the 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:05.280 old saying amongst offensive line coaches, the left guard gets 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:10.200 more help and gives more help than any other NFL 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.800 offensive lineman. He gets more help and gives more help. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.000 And the reason being, of course, because so much of 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.040 the time a right handed quarterback, you want to attack 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.080 him with a right defensive end. Meaning if you're looking 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.200 at the defense, it's really over the left tackle, as 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.040 we all know, your best pass rusher. But if you're 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.079 looking at it from the defenses perspective, it's a right 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:37.839 defensive end. That left tackle matchup right there. You want 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:41.720 obviously your best offensive lineman because of the blind side 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.439 of a right handed quarterback like Kyler Murray. So eventually 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.400 you could see that. You could see Paris Johnson Junior 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.319 being the left tackle, why not put him at left guard? 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.840 Right now? Will Hernandez is a great fit at right guard, 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.120 Calvin Beacham at right tackle. I love that right there, 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:03.559 those those four offensive lineman, Paulie, I still think they 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:05.800 have some work to do at center. Yet at the 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.440 same time, those four guys right there, I love that. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.720 What'd you think of Paris Johnson Junior's interview on The 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:17.000 Red Sea Report this week, including the exchange where we 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:18.880 asked him what do you like on game day and 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:23.800 he immediately replied violent, that was his response, and then 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.200 he went on to say he doesn't fear the smoke 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.240 of a Nick Bosa or a Micah Parsons. He mentioned 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.960 Devin White on his own wants to test himself against 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:36.680 some of the best in the NFL. He actually wants 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.480 that challenge now that he's in the NFL. 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:44.480 Yeah, you know, Polly, I'm sorry, but you know I'm 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.800 skeptical of rookiees. I love Paris jo I love this guy. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:51.640 This guy, to me, was the best offensive lineman in 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.560 the draft. I just the time of talking is over. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.520 It really is. Right now, it's all about doing. I 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:01.480 think he's got I had a great chance of coming 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.120 in here and making a real impact for the Arizona 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.840 Cardinals actually starting I think from day one, I think 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.280 Paris Johnson Junior is gonna be that guy. But right now, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.800 be careful what you wish for Paris, because those guys 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:18.480 are really really good. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.160 Yeah, he has a little bit of dj hmpresent him. 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:24.680 He's got a great personality, big personality, big smile off 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.480 the field, but then on game day, look out, he 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.679 is ultra serious. Least that's the word. That's the way 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.640 he describes his own personality and the difference between the 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.079 rest of the week and game day. You can hear 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:38.679 more about Paris Johnson Junior, the entire Draft class, and 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.400 the Day of Pash podcast featuring Cardinals Jim Money Austin 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.720 Ford available now wherever you gear podcasts and on Twitter 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.040 via at pash pod. We talk about the rest of 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.000 this draft, what other picks stand out to Wolf, and 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.320 what exactly does this mean for next season. Remember Steve 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.079 Weich coming up as well on this edition of The 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.079 Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.360 Feel really good about how he came out of the 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.000 draft with the nine draft picks and the ten free agents. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.800 That was my first time sitting in a room the 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.679 entire time and not gonna lie. I was a little 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.200 nervous when we're on the clock with like two minutes 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.400 left and he had three teams that he was talking to, 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.800 So it was really cool to see that. 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:26.760 Yeah, hence the Moniker Monty Hall haul. It was sort 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.319 of a game show, right, the pressures on the clock 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.000 is ticking. What are you gonna do with the spotlight 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:36.560 on you, You're working the phones, You're pulling multiple trades, and 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.240 everything came together just like on a game show or 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.439 you know Kevin Costner's style in the movies. And so 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.120 the Cardinals come away with the draft class and they're 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.280 set up right now looking at eleven picks in next 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.160 year's twenty twenty four draft. It is the Big Red 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.920 Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.880 Paul kelvc Ron wollfully soon to be joined by NFL 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:01.840 Networks Steve Witch. But for this draft and beyond the 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.839 first round pick, Paris Johnson Junior Wolf, who are what 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.440 stands out to you about this year's edition? 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.320 Well, let's go what first of all? Okay, and just 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.200 say this, Paul, did they not have seven picks coming 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.559 into this draft? They did have seven picks? Correct? 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:17.240 Yes? 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.000 Okay? And they came out with nine players. Paul, you 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.199 tell me how that is. You go in with seven, 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.240 you come out with nine. And how many picks do 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.719 the Arizona Cardinals have next year? Eleven? 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:28.319 Yep? 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.040 That is an incredible job once again by Monti asen 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.400 for it. That's my first thought, PAULI number two, I 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:41.319 really love bj Ojulari, the edge player from LSU. I 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.160 love him because this is a guy that has an 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:47.600 incredible motor. He is a football player. He's got great 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:51.040 football character and not only that, he was a two 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.480 time captain at LSU. I love this guy. I love 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:58.400 the pick mostly because this guy's going to give you everything. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.439 He's got and he's gonna do it on a consistent basis. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.840 Yeah, first team All SEC. Right in the stat was 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:08.560 since twenty twenty the only player in college football with 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:14.040 more quarterback pressures Will Anderson. So you know what's intriguing though, 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.320 because look, you you left some players on the board 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.480 when you went forty one overall. Bgo Jalai out of LSU. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:22.080 And you know we got into this little bit Danny 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:24.920 Sirek and Darren Urban not Cardinals underground when I pointed 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.840 out that Keon White was there and he went five 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.720 picks later to New England. Now he's a bigger defensive end. 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.000 Sixty five two eighty something. You had Wisconsin center Joe 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.200 Tipman on the board. He went two picks later to 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.120 the Jets. He's considering an instant plug and play type center. 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:41.280 We know the Cardinals need there. But ultimately, in the NFL, 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.480 it's still about quarterback and getting to the quarterback, is 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:44.760 it not? 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.680 Yes, it is, Polly And once again I also think 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.800 too when you look at Hassan Reddick and what he 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.960 did for the Eagles, when you look at their defense 0:14:55.520 --> 0:15:00.800 in Philadelphia, I think bj Oljalari is very much like 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.720 a Hassan Reddick. I think he's got a little bit 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.360 more butt maybe to him, but I think he's a 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:10.240 little bit like Hassan Reddick as well. And because of that, 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:12.760 I think that was one of the reasons why Manti 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.840 ausen Ford and JG probably said, Hey, you know what, 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.080 at number forty one, this guy checks all the boxes 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.040 for us. Let's go there and. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.320 Look, there are conflicting reports. How he holds up against 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.200 the run, We'll find out. We'll find out in camp. 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.440 How stout is he at the point of attack? And 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:30.640 Kenny set that edge? We'll see. Round three, the Cardinals 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:33.720 go for corner, another area position group of dire need. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:37.880 Garrett Williams out of Syracuse torn acl in October after 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.640 eight games. They say he was tracking to be you know, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:42.920 maybe even a Day one pick if he had stayed 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:46.040 healthy all year long. What'd you think about that? What'd 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.840 you think about another round three pick, Michael Wilson, the 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.680 big receiver out of Stanford who also has an injury history. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:55.160 Well, Paul, since you went there, I've got to say, hey, listen, 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.560 the Arizona Cardinals drafted for need. Can I just say 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.040 that right there? They drafted need, or at least it 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.760 certainly looks that way. When you take in the first 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.960 round and offensive lineman, that's an area of need coming 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.520 into this draft. When you take an edge player, that 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:11.680 was an area of need coming into the draft, when 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.920 you take a corner and a wide receiver. The only 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.200 thing that they didn't take at least high was a 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:22.120 defensive lineman, and they addressed that in round six with 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.640 pick two hundred and thirteen with Dante Stills from It's 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.840 West Virginia. It's West Virginia, So don't get me started 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:31.520 on that one, Paul, You know what I think of 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.080 that pick. I love our sixth round pick at two 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:38.000 hundred and thirteen Dante Stills, of course. But to me, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.320 they drafted for need, and they went and got four 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:46.760 guys that I think are going to contribute immediately as rookies. 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.360 Now to what degree are they going to contribute, I 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:53.640 don't know, Paully, But to me, that was my biggest 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.880 takeaway is they were drafting for need. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:58.880 No doubt. And then in round four they got John Gains, 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:01.960 the guard out of UCL who was also played some center. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.959 He's played all over the offensive line. In fact, in 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.520 twenty and twenty one. He started five games at center 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.159 last year, all thirteen games of right guard for UCLA. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.280 I'm guessing he's going to be given every single shot 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:16.359 to make an impression from day one. Here's many Austin 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:18.600 for a the GM from the Day Pash podcast on 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:19.720 the line of scrimmage. 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.119 I think line of scrimmage players are always going to 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.240 be important to us, you know, I think the game 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:27.960 starts up there, you know with John played mainly guard 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.040 at UCLA, but also saw time at center. So you know, 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.120 those interior guys that have that versatility to play multiple positions, 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.040 that's always going to be intriguing. John did an extremely 0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.600 good job with our coaches on the Zoom. Just liked 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.399 his makeup and his intellect and his ability to handle 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.399 the center position, to handle the guard position, you know, 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.680 so that was attractive about adding John to our group. 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:49.520 Yeah. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.960 There he was the East West game he played left guard, 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:53.639 playing center that he said, he got up on the 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.960 board and he was just a savant, I mean the 0:17:55.960 --> 0:18:00.159 football IQ and he had the fastest short shuttle of 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.600 any offensive lineman. He played in forty five games, started 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.359 thirty so he has experience. So you know what I mean, 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.479 I don't know what's gonna happen at center, but whether 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:14.080 it's a John Gains, whether it's Alcidas Smith, I have 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.639 no idea. But I think if you're an offensive lineman 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:18.880 looking for playing time, the Cardinals are your team. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.480 Yeah, now you're right about that. First of all, let 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.960 us all rejoice that Manti asen Ford believes in the 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:29.359 line of scrimmage. Can I just say thank you very much? MANI. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.520 I believe the blood sport is truly coming back to Arizona, 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.760 and I think Monti asen Ford and his philosophy in 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.080 JG's philosophy as well. I think it's about the line 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.080 of scrimmage. And you heard him say it right there. 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.040 That's where it all starts. It's one thing to say it, 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.760 poly but then you've got to believe it, right, You 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.680 have to believe it. If you truly believe that, that 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.960 means you're gonna go and you're gonna run physical schemes. 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:58.280 You're gonna use schemes that allow football players, whether it's 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.320 offense or defensive lineman, to be physical at the point 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.960 of attack. You're going to run an offense that is 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:07.480 going to be physical at the point of attack. And 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:10.440 then what do you do. You go get players that 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.919 play in a very physical kind of way and enjoy 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.960 that part of the game. So it starts with the thought, Paul, 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.879 then it moves into the realm of actually speaking that thought, 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.439 and then you've got to go execute it. So for me, 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.600 I love the fact that Mani was talking about the 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.600 line of scrimmage. It's one thing to give it lip service, Pauli. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:31.600 It's another thing to actually do it. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.159 And once again the stat the last fifteen drafts, the 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.800 cardinalsen invested too, just two first or second round picks 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.040 an offensive lineman and defensive lineman over the last fifteen drafts. 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.159 Think about that and then think about building from the 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.919 inside out. It's not just some sort of marketing mantra, No, 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.720 it really is their philosophy. So we name names. But 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.480 then there they were in round five. Give me a 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.080 quick thought, I'm going quarterback out of Houston with Dorian 0:19:57.119 --> 0:19:59.119 Thompson Robinson on the board. In fact, go on the 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.400 very next pick to Cleveland. But they took Clayton Tune 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.280 out of Houston six three, two twenty, and he calls 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.000 himself quote the best QB in this class. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:12.240 Yeah, PAULI, First of all, I don't know anything about 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.760 Clayton Tune. I really do not. I don't know how 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.680 many games you saw him play, Paully, I did not see. 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.600 Claytony yeah, zero, okay, yeah, okay. 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.040 You know, I pull for every rookie because I remember 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:27.400 what it was like to be a rookie right now, 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.199 but you know me, paul I'm adopting a prove it 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:35.400 rookie mentality and I always will. Right now, John Gain 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:41.119 sounds really really confident. But he sounds almost too confident 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.679 to me, and it's one of the reasons why I 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.400 can't wait to see this young guy play, to see 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:49.520 if he speaks a little bit differently once he actually 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.320 gets a taste of the NFL and what the NFL 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:54.840 is all about. You'd love a guy to be confident. 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:57.879 But some of the stuff that Clayton Tune was talking 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:01.040 about for me, Paulie, I don't know if Tom Brady 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:02.440 would say, paul yeah. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:04.959 Yeah, just wait till Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson are 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.240 jumping the passing lanes, right so, I mean, you know, 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.720