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Speaker 4: all about last Thursday night and beyond the NFL Draft

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Speaker 4: that was and everything that was forecasted and spoke into

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Speaker 4: He wasn't kidding, I mean that was foreshadowing. Because Ron Wolfley,

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Speaker 4: your immediate reaction, my immediate reaction, thanks for asking a

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Speaker 4: a worthwhile twenty twenty three draft class.

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Speaker 6: No, you're right about that, Pauly. Honestly, I was really

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Speaker 6: really impressed with maniasin Fort and his manipulation and the

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Speaker 4: Rook no doubt. You know, they come out with the

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Speaker 8: He's obviously played outside and inside. You know, we just

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Speaker 4: Well, if no member in the media watches more of

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Speaker 6: Put him there at the left guard tradition, Pauly, the

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Speaker 6: Right now? Will Hernandez is a great fit at right guard,

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Speaker 6: those those four offensive lineman, Paulie, I still think they

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Speaker 4: What'd you think of Paris Johnson Junior's interview on The

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, Polly, I'm sorry, but you know I'm

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Speaker 8: Feel really good about how he came out of the

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Speaker 4: Paul kelvc Ron wollfully soon to be joined by NFL

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Speaker 6: Well, let's go what first of all? Okay, and just

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Speaker 6: say this, Paul, did they not have seven picks coming

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Speaker 6: Okay? And they came out with nine players. Paul, you

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Speaker 1: Yep?

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Speaker 6: That is an incredible job once again by Monti asen

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Speaker 4: Yeah, first team All SEC. Right in the stat was

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Speaker 4: We know the Cardinals need there. But ultimately, in the NFL,

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Speaker 6: Yes, it is, Polly And once again I also think

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Speaker 4: Look, there are conflicting reports. How he holds up against

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Speaker 4: go for corner, another area position group of dire need.

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Speaker 6: Well, Paul, since you went there, I've got to say, hey, listen,

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Speaker 6: Now to what degree are they going to contribute, I

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Speaker 4: No doubt. And then in round four they got John Gains,

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Speaker 4: He's played all over the offensive line. In fact, in

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Speaker 4: I'm guessing he's going to be given every single shot

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Speaker 7: I think line of scrimmage players are always going to

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Speaker 4: There he was the East West game he played left guard,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's gonna happen at center, but whether

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Speaker 6: Yeah, now you're right about that. First of all, let

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Speaker 6: That's where it all starts. It's one thing to say it,

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Speaker 4: And once again the stat the last fifteen drafts, the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, PAULI, First of all, I don't know anything about

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Speaker 6: But some of the stuff that Clayton Tune was talking

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Speaker 7: Without further ado, I'd like to bring Paris Johnson Junior,

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Speaker 9: My Top thirty visit. I got some food here walking

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Speaker 9: So so I'm acting all cooon texting him and I

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Speaker 9: was like, yo, soup. He said, Paris. You know I've

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Speaker 9: seen you play if senior protas seeing all this and

433
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Speaker 9: he's like, I like, love what I see. I see

434
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Speaker 9: how hard you played, the tenacity to finish, and I

435
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Speaker 9: would love for you to block for me. And I

436
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Speaker 9: think is coming from a franchise guy. He said it

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Speaker 9: before I had a chance to say to be an

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Speaker 9: honor to play for him. He said it first, come

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Speaker 9: out of his mouth first, and that's huge, Like that's

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Speaker 9: an honor, you know, And I respect.

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Speaker 4: That Johnson junior, big man with a big personality, gonna

442
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Speaker 4: be a big key in that Cardinals offensive line. And

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Speaker 4: it was a big happening on draft Night. Wolf, you

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Speaker 4: know Cardinals go from three down to twelve and then

445
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Speaker 4: back up to six. Do you realize, Ron Wolfley, that

446
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Speaker 4: there had not been a Draft night trade in the

447
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Speaker 4: top nine picks in the last four years.

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Speaker 6: I did not know that, bully.

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Speaker 4: And that was executed by rookie Jim Monty ausen Ford.

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Speaker 4: So when Jonathan Gannon said, going into the draft quote,

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see Monty work the phones on

452
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Speaker 4: Thursday night, man, he wasn't kidding. And because Wolf You're

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Speaker 4: sick of my opinion and I'm sick of your opinion,

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go out to the phone lines. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: bring on NFL Network's chief national reporter Steve Weisch, joins

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Speaker 4: us here on the Big Red Rage, brought to you

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Speaker 4: by Santan Ford in Gilbert, Steve, what'd you think of

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals Draft Night? In fact, the nickname was Monty Hall,

459
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Speaker 4: as in the old seventies game show host Haul. How

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Speaker 4: did it play at NFL Network headquarters?

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Speaker 2: And for you, hey, maybe Monty Ball. I mean, I mean, look,

462
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: look the way you know and thanks for having me on, guys,

463
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Speaker 2: I mean I love the way that look. Everyone knew

464
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Speaker 2: going into this draft that Arizona was gonna have a

465
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Speaker 2: ton of picks and a lot of opportunity, and frankly,

466
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Speaker 2: you know, they could have kept the blindfold off and

467
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Speaker 2: played pin the tail on the donkey and put that

468
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Speaker 2: thing anywhere because there's so many positions that needed to

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Speaker 2: be addressed, and to be able to trade back, trade

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Speaker 2: up still get Paris Johnson at six, I mean that

471
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Speaker 2: was huge. I mean, we know that they have not

472
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Speaker 2: really addressed the offensive line in years there and to

473
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Speaker 2: get one of the best offensive linemen in this draft,

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Speaker 2: someone Kyler Murray liked. Then you know, to go back

475
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Speaker 2: and get b j O Jalari off the edge, you know,

476
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Speaker 2: they just addressed key positions that you know, they just

477
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Speaker 2: have not been able to do effectively wide receiver, corner,

478
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Speaker 2: you know, for years, and then to be able to

479
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Speaker 2: garner the draft picks that they got it twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: I mean clearly, you know, you look at the draft

481
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Speaker 2: and you say, they got some good guys this year

482
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Speaker 2: to help lay a foundation, and then for next year,

483
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Speaker 2: they really got some incredible draft equity to do whatever

484
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Speaker 2: it is they need to do to move up high

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Speaker 2: in the draft, to possibly move back and to get

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Speaker 2: some more young players. So they've got like just a

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Speaker 2: two year foundation of incredible talent to to really, you know,

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Speaker 2: to really get back to where they were a couple

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Speaker 2: of years ago.

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Speaker 6: Steve I was totally blown away by all of Moni's

491
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Speaker 6: machinations on draft day. Did you have a favorite did

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Speaker 6: you have a favorite move of his?

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Speaker 2: And then coming back up to six, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: because you know, you looked where, you know, because when Seattle,

495
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Speaker 2: you know, went with Devin Witherspoint in five, You're like, okay, Detroit.

496
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Speaker 2: You know, Detroit's trying to get back, right now. Okay,

497
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Speaker 2: you just knew that they were trying to get back,

498
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Speaker 2: and so who was going to come up? Because you know,

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Speaker 2: at the time, you know, was someone gonna come up

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Speaker 2: for Will Levis? Everyone thought that everyone's coming up with

501
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: a quarterback and three were off the board. So you're like, man,

502
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Speaker 2: when Arizona moved up, You're like, they are going a

503
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Speaker 2: line or they are going to edge right here, and

504
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Speaker 2: they went on line. And I love the move because again,

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Speaker 2: they have not really a d I mean, I can't

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Speaker 2: even think going back to when Kurt Warner was playing,

507
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Speaker 2: when wisnot was coaching, where they really invested this heavily

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Speaker 2: with this type of talent you know in Paris Johnson

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Speaker 2: on the along the offensive line, and it's long overdue.

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Speaker 2: So I salute that move, the aggressiveness and just the

511
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Speaker 2: intentionality to really give this offensive line together and to

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Speaker 2: get the key player to.

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Speaker 6: Do so well.

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Speaker 4: That's a smart observation because the stat was over the

515
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Speaker 4: previous fifteen drafts for the years on the Cardinals in

516
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Speaker 4: round one or round two, they had only taken two

517
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Speaker 4: offensive linemen in DJ Humphreys and then Jonathan Cooper who

518
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Speaker 4: had that injury early in his rookie year and was

519
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Speaker 4: never the same. So right, You're right, there's a different

520
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Speaker 4: philosoph in town in Manti Austin for Jonathan Gannon. And

521
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Speaker 4: we're on board with NFL Network's chief national reporter Steve Weisch.

522
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Speaker 4: Maybe the best thing I heard all night, guys was

523
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Speaker 4: I came home after Round one and I'm watching the

524
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Speaker 4: NFL Network recap show. Mark Ross was on your set,

525
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Speaker 4: former front office guy and now NFL Network analysts. He

526
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Speaker 4: said an I quote, I thought Houston gave up way

527
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Speaker 4: too much. I'm like, nice, that's because because Steve isn't

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Speaker 4: the thinking that the twenty twenty four draft is already

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Speaker 4: going to be stronger than this year's draft. And the

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Speaker 4: Cardinals ended a round one pick from Houston, which could

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Speaker 4: easily be top five, around three pick from Houston, and

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Speaker 4: then around three pick from Tennessee. That could be three

533
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Speaker 4: extra picks in the top eighty, could.

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Speaker 2: Be three extra picks, or you could package you know,

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Speaker 2: one of your thirds with another third to get up

536
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Speaker 2: to the second. You know, there's just so many things

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Speaker 2: that they can do. I mean, you knew when when

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Speaker 2: Houston made this move, like wow, you know, to come

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Speaker 2: from twelve to three like that. I think Peter King

540
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Speaker 2: should brilliantly in his Monday column that is franchise quarterback

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Speaker 2: type of trade value, right that. I mean, it's like wow,

542
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Speaker 2: and Arizona got it. Now they took a little start

543
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Speaker 2: out of it by moving back up to six. Not much,

544
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Speaker 2: not much, because again they could have two high picks

545
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Speaker 2: next year, or at least have two first round picks

546
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Speaker 2: to be able to maneuver. Right. This is something like

547
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Speaker 2: what the Dolphins did a couple of years ago. Now,

548
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Speaker 2: there could be some short term pain, and I think

549
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Speaker 2: that's what everyone's expecting. Kyler Murray probably gonna be out

550
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Speaker 2: for a large chunk of the season and things like this.

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Speaker 2: They could be competitive, but you know, it's the expectation

552
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 2: isn't really there, so to speak. And you could see

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Speaker 2: so many of the move they again, the moves they

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Speaker 2: made to stock up on twenty twenty four picks. So

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Speaker 2: I think that's kind of the thinking. You know, that's

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Speaker 2: the tea leaves that you're seeing with the Cardinals as well.

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Speaker 2: So let's get a foundation here this year, Let's add

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Speaker 2: foundation and talent next year, and then we'll be ready

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Speaker 2: to rock and roll.

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Speaker 6: Steve, did you think that Paris Johnson Junior was the

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Speaker 6: best offense of Winneman in the draft?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not I'm not a draft nick, so

563
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Speaker 2: it's hard for me to sit there and evaluate. I

564
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Speaker 2: just don't watch enough college football, so I it'd be

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Speaker 2: unfair for me to answer this question. But I know

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Speaker 2: people you know who I spoke with thought he was

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Speaker 2: one of them. I think, you know, so much of

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Speaker 2: it a scheme fit, you know, and what they want

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Speaker 2: to do. And you know that the that the Cardinals

570
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: are going to be that stretched Stone Skimes scheme stuff

571
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: that that Kyle Shanahan type of stuff to some degree,

572
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 2: you know, not not necessarily like the Niners. So you've

573
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Speaker 2: got to have an athletic guy. But you know, Paris

574
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Speaker 2: is a man. Now that's a big that's a big

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Speaker 2: slice of dude.

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Speaker 4: He's the highest drafted tackle from Ohio State since Orlando Pace.

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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How about that? And you know what Ohio State has done,

580
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Speaker 2: and you know he's had to go up against great

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Speaker 2: edge rushers. So and that's what you want because that

582
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Speaker 2: that never ceases. You know, in the NFL, You're you're

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Speaker 2: not going to get a playoff without somebody coming off

584
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Speaker 2: the edge. Who's who's got the Pro Bowl type of potential.

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Speaker 2: So you know, this was a heck of a pick.

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Speaker 2: And again the fact that I was like, finally, finally

587
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Speaker 2: they've addressed this offensive line in the first round.

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Speaker 4: NFL Network Chief national reporter Steve Weish our guest here

589
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Speaker 4: on the Big Red Rage, brought to you by santan

590
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Speaker 4: Ford and Gilbert. How much interaction did you have the

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Speaker 4: last couple of years with Jonathan Gannon as a decordinator

592
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Speaker 4: of the Eagles And what's I don't know, so your

593
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Speaker 4: thumbnail on the Cardinals new head coach, Well.

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Speaker 2: Not much, you know, since since he was in Philly,

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Speaker 2: we've got reporters on that side of the country. When

596
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Speaker 2: he came this way, I just did not have much interaction. However,

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Speaker 2: over the past few months, Jonathan and I have had

598
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Speaker 2: some conversations. I did a sit down with him at

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Speaker 2: the recent league meetings at the Arizona Biltmore very engaging

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Speaker 2: with me, you know. I mean, you see some stuff

601
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Speaker 2: coming out in Philly and this and that, but he's

602
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Speaker 2: very engaging, very friendly. Really, he's one of these guys,

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Speaker 2: I mean, mind you a little bit of Brandons daily

604
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Speaker 2: with a charge. When when you ask him a question,

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Speaker 2: sometimes he's incredibly detailed, like bang bang bang bang bang,

606
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Speaker 2: and you go, okay, this this check check, check, check,

607
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Speaker 2: and so you know, we'll see. You know, this is

608
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Speaker 2: the era of you know, the the offensive minded coaches,

609
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Speaker 2: but you're starting to see more defensive coaches get get

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Speaker 2: hired now because they've got to counter some of this

611
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Speaker 2: offensive stuff. And so you know, we'll see. You know,

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Speaker 2: the jury clearly is out on Jonathan. This is his

613
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Speaker 2: first time, but you know, a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: Houston was really hot after him. He's been you know,

615
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Speaker 2: a head coach candidate for a while. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think this is one where everyone's just going to

617
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Speaker 2: kind of wait and see exactly what the plan is

618
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Speaker 2: because it's going to be hard to implement what this

619
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Speaker 2: team is going to look like with Kyler Murray injured.

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Speaker 2: You know, you really aren't going to know what the

621
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Speaker 2: identity is with so many holes to fill on defense.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's going to take a while to

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Speaker 2: really know the things. Like we saw in Miami for

624
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Speaker 2: tool was healthy. Some things we saw recently in Atlanta

625
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Speaker 2: and Carolina where they're trying to build foundations before you

626
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Speaker 2: can really see and sometimes that takes two full draft classes,

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Speaker 2: you know, and some and some free agent money to

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Speaker 2: go out there and really put some piece to place.

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Speaker 6: Steve, I am really surprised at DeAndre Hopkins is still

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Speaker 6: an Arizona Cardinal after the draft right now. Your take

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Speaker 6: on the whole d hop situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of surprised for Himerson who said

633
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Speaker 2: I wanted to leave and I didn't you say that

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Speaker 2: you didn't need to adjust your contract. Didn't you say

635
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Speaker 2: that you didn't want to play in a couple places

636
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Speaker 2: and you would play in a couple places. I am surprised.

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Speaker 2: I thought he would be a draft weekend trade, you know,

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Speaker 2: for a team that wanted to get a player for

639
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: Arizona to add more draft picks, but to kind of

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Speaker 2: get you know, look, now that we're post drafted, what

641
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Speaker 2: did I just talk about. Seems like Arizona would not

642
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: mind getting more draft capital for twenty twenty four. So

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Speaker 2: this could be something where going in a training camp,

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Speaker 2: you know, they work out a deal for him, and

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals get to twenty twenty four draft pick, and

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Speaker 2: d Hop you know, gets to land, you know, someplace

647
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Speaker 2: where he might he might have an opportunity to be

648
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Speaker 2: a little bit closer to a championhip right now. I

649
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Speaker 2: don't think, you know, that conversation of those talks are

650
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Speaker 2: going to continue to stop, you know, especially once in

651
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Speaker 2: team see maybe what they have out of their young

652
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Speaker 2: receivers and say, well, you know, let's go ahead and

653
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Speaker 2: make a move for d Hop now because these guys

654
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Speaker 2: aren't quite ready yet.

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Speaker 4: Am I overestimating what d Hop might mean to a contender?

656
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Speaker 4: For example, Buffalo, last we saw them in the playoff

657
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Speaker 4: loss to Cincinnati, it was Stefan Diggs and nobody else.

658
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Speaker 4: Casey obviously suffered some losses at the receiver spot. The

659
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Speaker 4: Giants just came up for the Tennessee receiver. He might

660
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Speaker 4: already be wide receiver one right in a third round rookie.

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Speaker 4: I mean to me, I see d Hop is a

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Speaker 4: pivotal piece and a contender, especially in the AFC potentially.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I mean there's look,

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Speaker 2: the AFC is now the conference quarterbacks, and so you've

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Speaker 2: got to get you know, you've got to get wide receivers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know you see some of the also,

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Speaker 2: I mean it's also the conference. It's like a lot

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Speaker 2: of Pro Bowl caliber secondaries. So you get someone like

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Speaker 2: d Hop, you know. And I look with some of

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Speaker 2: these teams, especially in the AFC East you mentioned Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at the Jets as well. You know,

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Speaker 2: if they get a player like him, when you've got

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Speaker 2: to go up against Jalen Ramsey and Xavian Howard and

674
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Speaker 2: all those guys twice a year, you know that division

675
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Speaker 2: is going to be super, super tough. And then you

676
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Speaker 2: look at the AFC North, which from top to bottom

677
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Speaker 2: is just really really tough. Cleveland, this is a team

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Speaker 2: we have not talked about enough about being a potential

679
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Speaker 2: playoff team. You know, with Deshaun Watson having a full

680
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Speaker 2: season now into that system and some of the moves

681
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Speaker 2: that they've made, they could really use a player like him,

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Speaker 2: you know, going up against some of the teams that

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Speaker 2: they have in that division. So I think there's there's

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Speaker 2: definitely some teams that could use him. Do those teams

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Speaker 2: want to give up whatever and pay him the nineteen

686
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Speaker 2: million he's owed? That's the big question. The salary is

687
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Speaker 2: probably the big sticking point to move him, and you

688
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Speaker 2: know a lot of teams just don't want to pay

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Speaker 2: that kind of money.

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Speaker 6: Steve, what is the state of football as you see

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Speaker 6: it right now in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's clearly so the king. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you look at you look at the TV ratings numbers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can't you cannot deny it, especially compared

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Speaker 2: to other sports, the way internationally, the way it's grown.

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Speaker 2: You know, the offensive rules, We've been talking about it

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Speaker 2: for years, they're great. I think the AFC again, with

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Speaker 2: all of these quarterbacks this year, especially Aaron Rodgers going

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Speaker 2: through the Jets, it's gonna be very interesting, you know.

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Speaker 2: And well, if you know this as someone who used

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Speaker 2: to play. Has changed so much. It's just such a

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Speaker 2: name of geometry and space and angles. So the athleticism

703
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Speaker 2: is insane. I mean, look at look at the athletes

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Speaker 2: you know coming out. Look at the quarterbacks that we

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Speaker 2: just saw. Come about Anthony Richardson, Let's take him number four.

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Speaker 2: We don't know if he can play, but he's a

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Speaker 2: great athlete and we're gonna run him if we have to.

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Speaker 2: Teams weren't even saying that two or three years ago. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: And so you know, I think these are some things.

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Speaker 2: I think coaching has really evolved. They've taken so many

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Speaker 2: of these things out of legs in high school and

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Speaker 2: you know, the seven on seven stuff and incorporated at

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Speaker 2: into the play can which is made it very exciting.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for players like yourself, a fullback is.

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Speaker 6: Becoming if they're still they still have about half the

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Speaker 6: league has a fullback on their roster.

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Speaker 4: Was there a fullback draft of this year because there'd

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Speaker 4: only been two in the last four drafts?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 5: Okay, sorry, but but Steve, Steve, this is what I'm

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Speaker 5: talking about, honestly, because you know what four I want

722
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Speaker 5: to say about four or five years ago, that pendulum

723
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Speaker 5: was swinging towards the New Age offense.

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Speaker 6: Everything was going to be new about football, and I

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Speaker 6: think it's coming back a little bit more to the middle.

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Speaker 6: I think the physicality of the game is going to

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Speaker 6: come back a little bit more. I think a blending

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Speaker 6: of the old and the new is coming back. Your

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Speaker 6: thoughts on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said that, because what did you

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Speaker 2: notice in this draft? Not a ton of downhill linebackers

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Speaker 2: were drafted high, but probably more than the past couple years,

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Speaker 2: like Jack Campbell going sixteen to the Detroit Lions. Right,

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Speaker 2: You're because teams now are like, Okay, we're gonna spread

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Speaker 2: you out and now we're just gonna pound you up

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Speaker 2: the middle if we see a light box, right. And

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Speaker 2: so I'm with you. Look at the attention Paige to

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Speaker 2: guards you know in draft and free agency, right, they're

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Speaker 2: they're in right tackles. So I do think some of

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Speaker 2: that is coming into the game. I'm with you. I

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Speaker 2: am all day give me twenty one, twenty two, whatever personnel,

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Speaker 2: but give me a fullback, you know, even if it's

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Speaker 2: Kyle yustcheck because I think there's so much you know

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Speaker 2: now now the Philadelphia Eagles. They just use eleven guys

745
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Speaker 2: and do it right. You know, on the goal line

746
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Speaker 2: they just go ahead and make their little cocoon and

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Speaker 2: push everything. But I do think the physicality in the

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Speaker 2: middle of the field is starting to show up a

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Speaker 2: little bit more. I don't know if we're ever going

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Speaker 2: to completely get there, but it is cyclical in a way,

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Speaker 2: you know, especially now with these runs quarterbacks and you

752
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Speaker 2: have to in the math usually tilted, you know, you

753
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Speaker 2: didn't have to account for the quarterbacks, and defenses were

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Speaker 2: playing eleven on ten. Now they're playing eleven on eleven

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Speaker 2: because so many of these guys are hoping.

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Speaker 4: All right, So as we say goodbye here, Steve Whitche,

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Speaker 4: NFL Network chief national reporter and native of Saint Louis,

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Speaker 4: did you here's the softball on our way out? Did

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Speaker 4: you have a Ron Wolfley poster in your room growing up?

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Speaker 2: You know? And Wolf knows this and I have to

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Speaker 2: apogize him. No, but I did have Wayne Morris before me.

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Speaker 6: Oh, Steve, thank you so much, buddy.

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Speaker 1: See that's tough.

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Speaker 4: That's tough on Wolf, Wayne Morris before him, Adrian Wilson

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Speaker 4: after him. Tough deal, Steve, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on. Guys.

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Speaker 4: There you go. Steve why Nnefel Network chief national reporter

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Speaker 4: here on the Big Red Rage, brought to you by

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Speaker 4: santan Ford and Gilbert. As we continue talking Cardinals here

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Speaker 4: the week after the draft, snapped h Murray short set

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Speaker 4: and throw his left side of the end zone, boom

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Speaker 4: handed catch for a touchdown by DeAndre Hopkins. Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: He stabbed that out of the air with his left hand,

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Speaker 1: pulled it in for a huge cardinal scorn. Fantastic chemistry

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Speaker 1: between Kyler Murray at de Andre Hopkins.

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Speaker 6: That you talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Those daggers, those stealing knives. Stabbed the pig with his

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Speaker 1: left hand out of the air.

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Speaker 6: I said, everybody telling me to stay? Who said I

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Speaker 6: want to go?

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Speaker 2: Who said I wanted to leave? My head working?

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Speaker 6: Baby?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 4: That is DeAndre Hopkins. Earlier this week on social media

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Speaker 4: quick video, he posted him working out here in the

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Speaker 4: az Look, de Hopkins still play. The question is where

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Speaker 4: where is he going to play? He's still an Arizona Cardinal,

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Speaker 4: but for how long?

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Speaker 5: It is?

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Speaker 4: The Big Red Rage presented by sandtan Ford and Gilbert.

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Speaker 4: We are saying tan Ford special thanks Steve White, senior

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Speaker 4: NFL network reporter, Paul Kelv c Ron Wolfley, and Wolf

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Speaker 4: Look as he actually said that he's leaving Arizona. No,

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Speaker 4: but he did post back on January eleventh on Instagram

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Speaker 4: a picture with the inscription forever grateful. He's also had

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Speaker 4: Des Bryan and Von Miller as his hype men, respectively

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Speaker 4: for Dallas and Buffalo, and then of course he did

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Speaker 4: the video podcast where they were thrown out possible destinations

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Speaker 4: and trade partners, and he was making faces to approve

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Speaker 4: or disapprove. So he's been a willing participant in some

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Speaker 4: of the trade chatter out there at the very least.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he has, PAULI no doubt about that, and I

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Speaker 6: am surprised. I don't know about you, Paul, but I

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Speaker 6: am surprised that he is still an Arizona Cardinal. After

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Speaker 6: the draft, I thought, going into the draft, many would

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Speaker 6: want to clear that up. I thought going in the

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Speaker 6: day of the draft. The morning of the draft, I

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Speaker 6: thought maybe that first round he'd be moved, and then

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Speaker 6: I thought, Okay, if it didn't happen, then maybe it's

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Speaker 6: going to happen on day two before the draft. Day two, Well,

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Speaker 6: that did not happen. I think the draft came, it went,

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Speaker 6: of course, and now you've got you've got DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 6: still on this team. I am surprised having said that, Paul,

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Speaker 6: I don't expect him to be on the team when

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Speaker 6: they go to training camp. If he is, Paully, can

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Speaker 6: I tell you right now, I'm going to take that

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Speaker 6: as a positive and hope that DeAndre Hopkins is going

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Speaker 6: to come in here and model the culture that Jag

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Speaker 6: and Maniassin for want.

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Speaker 4: So now that you're pass the draft, you have the

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Speaker 4: big question to d Hop and Buddha Baker. They have

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Speaker 4: one thing in common. Neither player reportedly has any guaranteed

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Speaker 4: money left on their deal, and both might be in

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Speaker 4: player at least the subject of trade rumors and reports.

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Speaker 4: So on the Day Pash podcast, here's many Assin Ford

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Speaker 4: on Buddha and d Hop.

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Speaker 7: The key to both those situations is communication, and both

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Speaker 7: d Hop and Buddha have been great with communicating with

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Speaker 7: me back and forth with their you know, their representation.

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Speaker 7: So I think you know understanding that that players have

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Speaker 7: opinions and ideas and things that go through their head. Hey,

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Speaker 7: that's that's human nature. We all have that that that

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Speaker 7: happens for all of us. But I think just continuing

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Speaker 7: to have those conversations and it's it's exciting here right now.

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Speaker 7: There's a there's a good energy in the building, and

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Speaker 7: we're just going to continue to keep those lines of

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Speaker 7: communication open.

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Speaker 4: And then another decision was made this week on the

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Speaker 4: future of Isaiah Simmons where the Cardinals decline to pick

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Speaker 4: up the option, the fifth year option that would have

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Speaker 4: guaranteed him twelve point seven million dollars in salary for

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, which means that the draft class of

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty where Isaiah was the number eight pick overall,

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Speaker 4: has easily set a mark for the fewest fifth year

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Speaker 4: options picked up across the league. That's just a hallmark

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Speaker 4: of that class, but in particular with Isaiah Simmons. Give

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Speaker 4: us your thoughts there.

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Speaker 6: Both, Yeah, Paul, you know, I think it's all the

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Speaker 6: uncertainty of how Isaiah Simmons is going to fit into

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Speaker 6: the schemes that Nick Rowlis of course, and Jag Jonathan

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Speaker 6: Gannon want to actually run. PAULI so to me, I

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Speaker 6: look at that situation and think it was the uncertainty

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Speaker 6: that was the reason why they did it, they still

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Speaker 6: can actually sign him. Of course, if suddenly you put

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Speaker 6: him out on the edge and he starts producing a Paulie,

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Speaker 6: you can always approach him and say, hey, we're ready

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Speaker 6: to extend you. Are you ready to do it? Now.

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Speaker 6: That's a risk, of course, because Isaiah may say, Hey,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to continue to do what I do. I'm

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Speaker 6: going to finish this season, become a free agent, and

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Speaker 6: then we'll talk. Maybe that's what he's going to do.

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Speaker 6: We'll have to wait and see. But either way, I

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Speaker 6: would have done exactly what the Arizona Cardinals did because

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Speaker 6: you don't know how he's going to fit in your scheme.

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Speaker 4: Here's the analogy I used to me, Isaiah Simmons is

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Speaker 4: you see when you look at Isaiah Simmons? Yeah, where

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Speaker 4: do you see him lining up? Do you see him

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Speaker 4: Do you see him more as a deep center field safety.

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Speaker 4: We've seen him in that role as well. I mean,

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Speaker 4: where exactly does he fit in this defense? It's it's

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Speaker 4: like a rorshack, you know. I mean, what are we

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Speaker 6: No, you're right, Paul, that's the difficulty right now for me.

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Speaker 6: I think they're going to take him and stick him

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Speaker 6: at the edge. That's what I think they're gonna do.

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Speaker 6: Stick them there and tell them this is what we

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Speaker 6: need from you on the edge. Can you do it?

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Speaker 6: Give him that opportunity to see if you can.

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Speaker 4: Well, think about it. They've moved Zavian Collins out to

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Speaker 4: the edge at least based on the voluntary veteran mini camp.

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Speaker 4: He was working with the outside linebackers, and we know

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Speaker 4: they've signed a number of veteran inside linebackers and they

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Speaker 4: just drafted one in the fifth round as well. So

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Speaker 4: intriguing we'll see indeed. Special thanks as always Jim Amhundro,

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