WEBVTT - Neoliberalism Part 4: This is What Democracy Looks Like

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to It could happen here a show about things

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<v Speaker 1>falling apart, and is for one final time this week

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<v Speaker 1>about why and how things have fallen apart in this

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<v Speaker 1>specific way. Um, I'm I'm I'm your host Christopher, and

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<v Speaker 1>today with me I have Garrison. Well, Garrison, Hello, how

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<v Speaker 1>you doing. I'm doing fine. We're gonna talk about something

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<v Speaker 1>that's not fine. It's not fine at all, is in

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<v Speaker 1>fact extremely grim and bad, which is part four of

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<v Speaker 1>our series of deal Liberalism, i e. All of the

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<v Speaker 1>bad things happened at once so in in in in

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<v Speaker 1>a last episode, we talked about how throughout throughout most

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<v Speaker 1>of the Third World or you know what was at

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<v Speaker 1>the time known as the Third World, new liberalism is

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<v Speaker 1>not really imposed by people voting for it. It's mostly

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<v Speaker 1>imposed by either external forces via coup or by just

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<v Speaker 1>the I M going okay, just we're running the country now. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but this this, yeah, We're we're gonna shift our focus

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<v Speaker 1>a bit this episode with the people who were I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, unfortunate enough, misguided enough, decided that they hated

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<v Speaker 1>each other enough to actually choose neoliberalism for themselves. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the sort of stories we've been tracing here

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<v Speaker 1>on sort of a very broad arc is the reaction

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<v Speaker 1>by Neil Bulls to kind of kind of compromise it

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<v Speaker 1>have been worked out between labor and capital, particularly the

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<v Speaker 1>US after sort of the open class warfare in the

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<v Speaker 1>reteen thirties, and you know, they're essentially there's there's a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of deal that's set up informally, which is so

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<v Speaker 1>the we're working class will stop literally constantly going on

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<v Speaker 1>strike and showing up the strikes with like enormous numbers

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<v Speaker 1>of guns and shooting at people, and they will you know,

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<v Speaker 1>stop trying to overshow the government in exchange, the state

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<v Speaker 1>gives you welfare programs, the state will give you a house.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is this is particularly after what we're too

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<v Speaker 1>the Americans say, just you know, does this matter homeownership campaign?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, if if you're if you're, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a union worker, particularly if you're a white

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<v Speaker 1>man like this, this, you know, working working, working one

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<v Speaker 1>of these union jobs will put you into the middle class.

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<v Speaker 1>You can take vacations, you can have a house, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get pensions. Your unions are legal now, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing that like you know, hadn't happened before.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is essentially, you know, this is essentially a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of insurgency tool. Um. The goal of this is

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<v Speaker 1>to stop people from you know, doing the kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>revolts that were happening in at the dirties. But by

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies it's becoming very clear that this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the like can't it can't really be maintained because

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<v Speaker 1>it's too expensive for sort of the capital states to

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<v Speaker 1>maintain and trying to maintain both well. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the secondary thing here is is, you know, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>this deal specifically goes out to white men right now,

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the sixties and seventies, you get a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>other people who are not white men attempting to enter

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<v Speaker 1>the workplace, attempting you get the same bargain, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're in a lot of way significantly one militants. And

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<v Speaker 1>this causes en normal sponsetermentional strife. You get you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the US is murdering the black panthers. You get similar

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<v Speaker 1>stuff in the UK and the neoliberals basically are the

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<v Speaker 1>people who just fully called this to tants off and

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<v Speaker 1>are you know, essentially going to return to full scale

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<v Speaker 1>class war. And so now now we are we are

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<v Speaker 1>finally getting to Reagan and Thatcher, and one day we

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<v Speaker 1>will do a full episode about how Ronald Reagan, in

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<v Speaker 1>a weird, shadowy cabal of Italian intelligence services rigged the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty election by planting fake stories about Jimmy Carter's

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<v Speaker 1>brother and the press, which is if you hear the story, Garrison, No,

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<v Speaker 1>but it sounds like regular media manipulation that happens all

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<v Speaker 1>the time. Now, Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah, there, there's,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's there's there's a whole three line there because

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<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of those like same kind of

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<v Speaker 1>intelligence tactics are gonna be used South the Iraq War,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's there's this whole sort of thing. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>know that there's also the specific Italian angle of uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Italian States being run by this rogue Masonic lodge

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<v Speaker 1>led by a fascist and it's it's a time this

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<v Speaker 1>is all going on there. But that's you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm just thinking like Hunter Biden laptop and all

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Yeah, yeah stuff. It's like, oh so that's

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<v Speaker 1>just the same playbook. Yeah, it's it's the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>except like they were like actual intelligence people running it

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<v Speaker 1>instead of just sort of like whatever, Tucker carloson Tucker Carlson,

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn Greenwaal, trying to get people to care about this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that just nobody gives a single ship about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was, it was, but the the Ages

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<v Speaker 1>version of it was significantly more effective. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the product of this is that Reagan sort of Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>finds like the secret sauce for right wing politics, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of you know, in in in some ways,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nixon had been trying to develop it hadn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>gotten right, which is no, yeah, yeah, yeah. He he

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<v Speaker 1>figures out that, you know, if you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>new liberalism, if you want to destroy the unions, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to show the welfare state, the way you do

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<v Speaker 1>it is basically a combination of racist tax and welfare

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<v Speaker 1>recipients and you mobilize new religious right. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>extremely effective and it's but I think it's also interesting

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<v Speaker 1>and worth noting that, you know, if if you got

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<v Speaker 1>all the back to episode one, like this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is rope keys like white nationalism, like short German white nationalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing is this is explicitly a ropeky sort of strategy

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<v Speaker 1>for implenting the liberalism was the problem is he was

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<v Speaker 1>German and Catholic, which meant that like it could never

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<v Speaker 1>work in the US. But you know, you get Reagan,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly you get the American version of it, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, white but American, and then also works off

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of of off of the sort of mass

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<v Speaker 1>Protestantism in the US, and this becomes a force study

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<v Speaker 1>is responsible for like almost every bad thing that exists

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<v Speaker 1>today in some form or another lot of them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean not not often, but you know, I the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>things go extremely badly. And so Reagan wins this election

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<v Speaker 1>and then almost exactly the same time, Margaret Thatcher wins

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<v Speaker 1>the wins her election in in the UK, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the combination of those two things, and also, as we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about last episode, the Vulcar shock, where Volca raises

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<v Speaker 1>the interest rates raised, defendation become so Vulcar is installed weirdly,

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<v Speaker 1>not by Ronald Reagan but by Jimmy Carter, but is

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<v Speaker 1>given this sort of mandate to just do whatever, literally

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<v Speaker 1>do whatever you have to to to get inflation under control.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that he decides to do is just literally

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<v Speaker 1>nuke the entire world economy. You know, when we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the effects of this hat ont of the world

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<v Speaker 1>and the last episode. But in the US this sets

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<v Speaker 1>off a recession at last, basically from like nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>nine to Night two. At the height of it, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's I think we finally got more people unemployed

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<v Speaker 1>during the pandemic, but I'm like sure that between World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two and the pandemic, that was the single largest

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<v Speaker 1>number pop who have been unemployed in the US, which

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<v Speaker 1>just yeah, it was just apocle, just apocle devastation. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's there's there's a whole thing here where

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<v Speaker 1>the head of the a f l C. I OH

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<v Speaker 1>is literally begging Vulcar like, please don't do this, like

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<v Speaker 1>we can get inflation under control after, you know, after

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<v Speaker 1>the economy recovers, and vocals just like no. The consequence

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<v Speaker 1>of this is that you have you have an economy

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<v Speaker 1>in which is no more sumber of people unemployed, and

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<v Speaker 1>the unions are weak, and both Reagan and Thatcher sort

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<v Speaker 1>of see this. Now the unions in the UK are

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<v Speaker 1>in a sniffulty better position the American unions. Reagan is

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<v Speaker 1>able to sort of smash the American unions very quickly

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's the you know, the famous air traffic control

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<v Speaker 1>strike where a bunch of American air traffic controllers go

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<v Speaker 1>on strike technically illegally, and Reagan just has literally every

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<v Speaker 1>single one of them fired and replaces them with just

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<v Speaker 1>like like people from flight school, like people who just

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<v Speaker 1>just like apt literally anyone he can just like pull

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<v Speaker 1>off the street who sort of kind of knows how

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<v Speaker 1>to how to land an aircraft, like they put on

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<v Speaker 1>people from the military. It's it's just like this absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>wild sort of feet of strike breaking. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and when when when that falls and that that strike fails,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the air traffic controllers well, okay, funnily so,

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<v Speaker 1>the air traff controllers had actually backed Reagan. They were

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<v Speaker 1>like the only union that backed Reagan in the election,

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<v Speaker 1>and they immediately just get you know, they get gutted

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<v Speaker 1>for it, which, like I have mixed feelings about because like,

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<v Speaker 1>on the one hand, like, yeah, that's that's, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you get. But on the other hand, this is basically

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<v Speaker 1>what the stories this, This is the consequences that this

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<v Speaker 1>is basically what the stories like trade unions in the

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<v Speaker 1>US because at this at this point, everyone realizes that

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<v Speaker 1>the unions are weak and they just start you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's you get to the point where employers are deliberately

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<v Speaker 1>provoking strikes so that they can just fire all the

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<v Speaker 1>unionized employees. And it's extra to be effective. In in Britain,

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<v Speaker 1>the fight is a lot more intense um in in

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<v Speaker 1>in Entity. For Thatcher cuts cold, like basically Thatchery wants

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<v Speaker 1>to provoke a fight with with the coal unions and

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<v Speaker 1>so she basically wants to shut down a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of coal production and fire like twenty miners, and the

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<v Speaker 1>miners go on strike, and they go on strike for

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<v Speaker 1>over a year. But Thatcher had basically stockpiled enough cold

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<v Speaker 1>to stave off the worst effects of the strike. And

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<v Speaker 1>then she makes these incredibly elaborate network of deals with

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<v Speaker 1>like She's like this this whole scab driver like union,

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<v Speaker 1>like basically this whole network of scab drivers, like make

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<v Speaker 1>sure you can move the coal around while the strike's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. There there's all of this stuff, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and and she eventually is able to crush the coal strike.

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<v Speaker 1>And this also just just completely annihilates like the British

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<v Speaker 1>trade union movement, I mean union participation. I think dreaming

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<v Speaker 1>Thatcher's term alone falls and it's gotten way worse since then.

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<v Speaker 1>So so with those two incidents, the air traffic control

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<v Speaker 1>and the coal did did those just kind of make

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<v Speaker 1>people be disillusioned or did that just like pave the

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<v Speaker 1>way for similar tactics to be acceptable for every other

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<v Speaker 1>union that tried to do the same thing both And

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<v Speaker 1>then the everthing was fear because you know, so with

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<v Speaker 1>the air traffic controllers, right, the air traffic controllers are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, these are the most highly skilled like people

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<v Speaker 1>people in there there, These are a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 1>who are incredibly have the skilled and they're in there,

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<v Speaker 1>in there in a logistic industry, right, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in theory, these are the people who have like the

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<v Speaker 1>maximum amount of impact if they would go on strike.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Reagan shows that you can literally just fire

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four thousand people of like the most highly skilled

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<v Speaker 1>sort of workers in the in the US, you can

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<v Speaker 1>fire them and just break the strike and nothing will happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know the result is total defeat and none

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<v Speaker 1>of these people ever work again. That basically spreads this

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<v Speaker 1>massive wave of fear through the union movements because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they can fire those guys, they can fire anyone

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, the the employers just start doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other thing that's been happening here is that

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<v Speaker 1>for really since the end of the forties, the unions

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<v Speaker 1>have kind of So we'll we'll talk about this more

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<v Speaker 1>in in in an interview that's gonna come out probably

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<v Speaker 1>next week about sort of the history American union movements,

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<v Speaker 1>but American unions basically so American, like the union movement

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<v Speaker 1>was built by radical organizers and in the forties and

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<v Speaker 1>sort of moving on from there, all these people get

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<v Speaker 1>expelled from the labor movement and labor fights this basically

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly intense battle against its own left flank, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, like for example, in in there's this

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<v Speaker 1>thing called the Dodge Revolutionary Union Movement, right, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of mostly black workers in Detroit, who are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're there there there forming unions, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>on a strike, but they're also fighting against the the

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<v Speaker 1>u a W because the U a W is cooperating

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<v Speaker 1>too closely. But the bosses etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's these you know, there's there's basically this battle

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<v Speaker 1>between like not even just basically between the unions ranked

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<v Speaker 1>and file and the radicals and the sort of business

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<v Speaker 1>union management, and in fighting that battle, the unions had

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<v Speaker 1>basically like massively weakened themselves and then you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>bye bye bye. By the time you hit the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the US, the unions are just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a shell out their form ourselves, and and Reagan just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like smashes them aside. And Thatcher the British

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<v Speaker 1>unions are much stronger, but you know, I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>Thatcher is preparing to like like there she she has

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<v Speaker 1>plans to like the army is going to come in

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<v Speaker 1>and suppress the strike. There's these and especially there's there's just,

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<v Speaker 1>i mean just an absolutely incredible amount of police violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Um that's you know, I mean, this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>something that had happened before during strikes, but the the

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<v Speaker 1>the the level of intensity of it is just like

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<v Speaker 1>massively increased. And there's also another thing that's happening basically

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time with this, which is squeezing the

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<v Speaker 1>units on the other side, which is there's this I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could call it like an internal class war

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<v Speaker 1>inside the ruling class between well specifically inside inside of

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of corporate management between the sort of traditional

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<v Speaker 1>like manager CEO class and the sort of like I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could call them, I don't know, the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of Wall Street finance bank types and so so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so one of the other things that that happens at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of you know, basically after the war is

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of class compromise was talking about like this,

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<v Speaker 1>this happens inside of the company too, and people start

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<v Speaker 1>to see the corporation as like a social institution. It

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<v Speaker 1>has you know, it's like, well, okay, so there's this

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<v Speaker 1>alliance between middle management and the workers, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, okay, so we we both worked with each other,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, the compromises that you guys got to

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<v Speaker 1>have unions, but the unions won't sort of disruptroduction. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>all work together and we'll just make like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll we'll make really really good ballpoint pens together. And

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, you have this in lince between sort of

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<v Speaker 1>middle managements and these unions, you know, and this this

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<v Speaker 1>is embedded into the structure of the corporation because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you not you not only have the unions, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have corporations paying pensions. One of the things that that

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan does is that Reagan starts, you know, Reagan does

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<v Speaker 1>this massive series of financial deregulations. And the other part

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<v Speaker 1>of this agreement basically had been that like the high

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<v Speaker 1>level of finance class has sort of stayed out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way of management, and so management kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the you get this like this independent sort

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<v Speaker 1>of CEO class that that's that's a distinct thing that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that the people who come up through the

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<v Speaker 1>company who managers and they worked away at the top,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a distinct thing from sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>finance people who are like they're not supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to like, you know, the touch production. But in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen eighties, the finance people start to look at

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<v Speaker 1>this and go, wait, hold on, why are we not

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<v Speaker 1>running things? And the finance people have because they have

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<v Speaker 1>the two things on their side. One they have a

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<v Speaker 1>sort of neoliberal ideology, and the second thing they have

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<v Speaker 1>is so Michael Milken he figures out how to do

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<v Speaker 1>this thing called a leverage buyout option. It's it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a kind of complicated financial instrument. The short

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<v Speaker 1>and simple explanation of what it is is he figures

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<v Speaker 1>out a way too basically go into a bunch of debt,

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<v Speaker 1>and he he gets he gets people to give him

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of money, like in the form of these bonds,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he uses it to just buy out entire companies.

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<v Speaker 1>He buys of the company. And if you own fit

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<v Speaker 1>of the company, now you control, you have controlling interest.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he goes in and she just he just

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<v Speaker 1>raises the stock prices of all these companies. And now

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but I mean, now he's gone into an

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<v Speaker 1>enormous amount of debts right in order to buy in

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<v Speaker 1>order to buy this company, and so you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>order to pay off that debt, he just starts strip

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<v Speaker 1>money in the company. And so he starts, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anything that can be sold for money that he can

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<v Speaker 1>put in his pocket to pay off his debt starts

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<v Speaker 1>getting sold. And you know, every anything the corporate that

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<v Speaker 1>the company is doing, it doesn't immediate make money or

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't immediately raise the stock price gets cut. And so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there there, there, there are there are two

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<v Speaker 1>major things that a company has that don't immediately make

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<v Speaker 1>money and don't raise the stock price, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>pensions and research and development. And this this has you know, this, this, this, this,

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<v Speaker 1>this becomes known as the sort of this is the

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<v Speaker 1>hustle takeover waves. It gets rebranded as mergers and acquisitions

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineties, but it's it's this huge sort of wave,

0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:32.320
<v Speaker 1>those these corporate scripts corporate America, and it turns the

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<v Speaker 1>corporation from this kind of social body where it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's cooperating and companies sort of have this responsibility to

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<v Speaker 1>like provide for their workers and provide sort of for

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<v Speaker 1>like the social good into literally the only like the

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<v Speaker 1>single entire purpose of any company is to raise the

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<v Speaker 1>stock price. And this, yeah, this is really bad. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and you know the part about it that's

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<v Speaker 1>awful is that, you know, okay, so all all literally

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<v Speaker 1>all a corporate rad has to do in order to

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<v Speaker 1>buy out one of these companies is be able to

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<v Speaker 1>is be able to offer a price for the stock

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<v Speaker 1>that's higher from the stock price of the company now.

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<v Speaker 1>And this means even so they're they're they're there's a

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<v Speaker 1>very famous series of battles they buy out. An enormous

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<v Speaker 1>number of companies get bought out into strip minds like this,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and the over and again these are

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<v Speaker 1>these are very very profitable companies, right, These are companies

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<v Speaker 1>with large research and development budgets. These are companies that

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<v Speaker 1>are making enormous amounts of money and they're just completely

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed in order to sort of just like satiate these

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<v Speaker 1>just like absolute Google corporate, like vulture raider people. This

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, if you remember, might be too young

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<v Speaker 1>for this, but Romney's campaign for so yeah, one one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons why Mitt Romney loses is that like

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<v Speaker 1>he's one of these guys like he's he's like he's

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<v Speaker 1>the big bang capital guy, and everyone's kind of looks

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<v Speaker 1>at him and goes like, you're the reason we'd like

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<v Speaker 1>guide to this mess in the first place. But the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is that these people who have enough money

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<v Speaker 1>and they have enough power, they're able to do this

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<v Speaker 1>and in order to stop them, so either there there

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<v Speaker 1>there's a massive there's a massive fight. A bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>people try to take over good Year, who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they make the tires, they have the blimps, and Goodyear

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<v Speaker 1>CEO is like fanatically opposed to all of this because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she she's she's from the old ceo crop

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<v Speaker 1>who's like, well, okay, we're here to like make things

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<v Speaker 1>instead of you know, increased stock prices. But the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is the only way he can save off the raiders

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<v Speaker 1>is by increasing a stock price. And the only way

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<v Speaker 1>to increase stock prices is by doing the things the

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<v Speaker 1>corporate raiders are already doing. So she starts slashing contentions,

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<v Speaker 1>he starts flashing with your development budgets. Yeah, and this

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<v Speaker 1>and this. This sort of cycles because now you have

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's there, there's it's it's it's you're not

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<v Speaker 1>only having pressure from you know, like the government, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's anti union. The corporations themselves are being forced to

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<v Speaker 1>become more anti union because they're you know, they now

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<v Speaker 1>have this pressure on them from the top down, from

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<v Speaker 1>from these sort of these sort of finance schools, and

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<v Speaker 1>the finance schools in a lot of ways just the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect nilable subjects, right because they only see the world

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<v Speaker 1>in money. They see everything as a market that they

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<v Speaker 1>literally think that like they they are like these like

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<v Speaker 1>shamans if if if there's a really good ethnography that

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<v Speaker 1>I've plugged before on here called liquidated and an ethnography

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<v Speaker 1>and void yet liquidated and ethnography of Wall Street, where

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<v Speaker 1>an anthropologist goes onto Wall Street and works there for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, and then you cannot much of interviews, doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't athethpological stuff. And the way they talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the market, they literally talk about it as if they're

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<v Speaker 1>channeling it, right, like it's like something and they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>these are yea, these are these are that's that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the new gods of of our world. That yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's I mean, that's that. That's not an uncommon term

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<v Speaker 1>of phrase to describe stuff like this. Yeah, and and

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<v Speaker 1>what what what what I think is they just think

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<v Speaker 1>about it though, is that you know that conception of

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<v Speaker 1>the market of like every person is just like a

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<v Speaker 1>peer like completely socially unbounds like thing of capital all

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<v Speaker 1>that you Oh, well, okay, if you lose your job here,

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<v Speaker 1>you can just move to another firm, right, So this

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense inside of the context of Wall Street because

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<v Speaker 1>these people like like these Wall Street firms they have

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<v Speaker 1>they have like like thirty turned over a year, and

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<v Speaker 1>so all these people are constantly being fired and shuffle

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<v Speaker 1>on to the next job, and fired and shuffle onto

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<v Speaker 1>the next job, and so you know, they so they

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<v Speaker 1>they do they do this very common sort of fallacy

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<v Speaker 1>thing where they assume that because this is the way

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<v Speaker 1>that it works for them, but this is the way

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna work for everyone else. And then they genuine

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of these people genuinely believe this. They're like, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so the things we're gonna with things that we're about

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<v Speaker 1>to do, like, you know, when we destroy these workers

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<v Speaker 1>entire lives when we should be you know, when we

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<v Speaker 1>close their factories, when we take their pensions, when we

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<v Speaker 1>literally destroyed like every community and every like thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>every just in your lives, they're like, oh, they'll just

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<v Speaker 1>pick themselves up and go to another place and they'll

0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:47.399
<v Speaker 1>be fine, because you know, if you're if you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a Wall Street finance school, like, yeah, that's that's what

0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>happens when you get fired every three months. And so

0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:59.800
<v Speaker 1>these people, these people basically take control of the entire

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<v Speaker 1>overspective they do. They do this very quickly by you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they start this in the sort of early eighties. And uh, Milliken,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who comes up with the junk bonds leveraged

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<v Speaker 1>buyout scheme, like he he goes to jail for I

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<v Speaker 1>think securities fraud. Do they get him for fraud. But

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't it a lot of those guys got all

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<v Speaker 1>of these people like he again, all of these people

0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:28.400
<v Speaker 1>are just doing crime, Like now, yeah, that's how finance standards,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how this is how the Action Park guy

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<v Speaker 1>got kicked out. You got kicked out doing doing all

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<v Speaker 1>the same stuff. And again, I want to put this out,

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<v Speaker 1>like the stuff they're doing is so illegal that like

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<v Speaker 1>even the Reagan administration was like, no, we have to

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<v Speaker 1>prosecute you. Like that's like, this is the this is

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<v Speaker 1>the Ronald Reagan Justice departments. And they're like it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was so much crib. Yeah, it's it's really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And and you know the result of this is just

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<v Speaker 1>basically the total visceration of the working class just like

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<v Speaker 1>as a movement. And you know, all the left wing

0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:11.080
<v Speaker 1>parties are sort of shaped by this. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we've been focusing on on the US

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<v Speaker 1>and uh in the UK here, but this is not

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<v Speaker 1>the only place this happens. And you know, so one

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<v Speaker 1>of the you know, like this this happens, this, this

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<v Speaker 1>also starts happening like in socialist states. Um And we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this in more detail in our interview with

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<v Speaker 1>Arnessa Kasutra about Bosnia. But one of the big things

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<v Speaker 1>that Miloshevik is doing in Yugoslavia and when when he

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<v Speaker 1>takes power and he starts like actually being a real

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<v Speaker 1>political force inins in eighties, is he starts doing basically

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<v Speaker 1>all of the same stuff that that that reagan A,

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<v Speaker 1>thatacher doing. He starts, he starts implementing shock adoction, he

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<v Speaker 1>starts privatization, he starts um like marketization, he starts cutting stutting,

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.640
<v Speaker 1>cutting price controls, he starts sort of he starts doing

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if decollectimization is quite the right word,

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<v Speaker 1>because Yugoslavia's economic system is complicated and weirder than uh

0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:08.879
<v Speaker 1>the SSRs. But you know, he does this, and this

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:11.640
<v Speaker 1>is one of the things that starts Yugoslavia's dethspiral, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you have this enormous economic devastation from the

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<v Speaker 1>increase in oil prices from the oil shock, and then

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<v Speaker 1>that gets paired with, you know, the the economic devastation

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<v Speaker 1>from everyone losing their benefits, people losing de pensions, the

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>state on the industries going under and getting privatized, um

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of like collective ownership structures imploding and the

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<v Speaker 1>product of this is that you know, Melosivic looks at

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<v Speaker 1>this and it's like, Okay, how can I stay in power?

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<v Speaker 1>And his answer is just genocide on that. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>genocide on nationalism. And this sort of collapse a sort

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 1>of state and social life is you know, and and

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.760
<v Speaker 1>the leaders at the top realizing that they can weaponize

0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of nationalism is one of the things at least

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<v Speaker 1>directly to the Boston and genocide. Now, towards the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the eighties, the whole Soviet block starts coming apart um. Yeah,

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Berlin Wall falls and eventually, you know,

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:09.040
<v Speaker 1>the Soviet Union dissolves, and the people who are trying

0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 1>to end the Soviet Union, the things that they want

0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:16.560
<v Speaker 1>basically are like freedom of speech, the ability to like

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<v Speaker 1>leave the country, and basically like Scandinavian style social democracy.

0:24:22.040 --> 0:24:25.480
<v Speaker 1>And it was like reasonable coming from the Soviet Union.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, and you know, I mean, these these people

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, this is these you know, like they

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:34.479
<v Speaker 1>they they wanted to leave in Scandinavia and instead they

0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:39.200
<v Speaker 1>got hey, welcome to the US, but like even worse. Yeah,

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>and so yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's really bad. And

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:46.560
<v Speaker 1>you know what they getting said, is just these this

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 1>enormous wave of privatizations. H the weldfare state just vanishes,

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:56.679
<v Speaker 1>and you know this this causes basically like total societal collapse. Um.

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:58.560
<v Speaker 1>Like one of my one of my professors, and this

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<v Speaker 1>this happens basically across the whole Soviet Block one of

0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 1>professions in college, and I think she was fumble Gary. Um.

0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:08.320
<v Speaker 1>She she told me about how dream the nineties like

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:10.200
<v Speaker 1>when she when she was growing up, like she and

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>her family would just the only thing they had to

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 1>eat was raw millet because there's no food. There's there's

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:17.200
<v Speaker 1>literally no food anywhere. The entire economy is collapsed. Nobody

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>has any money, and so you know, it was like, well, okay, everyone,

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:22.480
<v Speaker 1>she's eating raw grain because you know that that's what

0:25:22.760 --> 0:25:25.159
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the only thing you can you can you

0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 1>have to survive. And you know it's this it's it's

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:32.080
<v Speaker 1>literally so bad that in Russia it causes the single

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<v Speaker 1>largest life expectant to drop in post World War Europe.

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:36.920
<v Speaker 1>It's like like it's the life expected to decrease is

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<v Speaker 1>about like four years because so many people die from this. Um.

0:25:41.200 --> 0:25:42.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, and one of the one of the ways

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:47.360
<v Speaker 1>this happens is that there's so the way they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to deal with like the state owned industry thing

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>is they they okay, and I've never been able to

0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:54.479
<v Speaker 1>figure this figure out if it was like they they

0:25:54.600 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 1>actually took Murray Rothbard's plan for this, or if they

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 1>just independently developed were a roth whereas plan for for

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 1>for dissolving stated on the industries, which is give like

0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 1>everyone who worked in a share of the company. And

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>so they do this right, and everyone has these shares,

0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>but these shares are just like paper, and you can't

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>eat this paper. So a bunch of sort of like

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 1>organized crime guys and the people who have been you know,

0:26:17.280 --> 0:26:18.920
<v Speaker 1>like like the sort of the people who've been richer

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>or like had been sort of connected party people who

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 1>were just like I'm just gonna cash out start, you know,

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 1>just just going through cities, and they're they'll you know,

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>they'll be like, okay, we'll give you a pair of genes,

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>like we'll give you some food if you give us

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.239
<v Speaker 1>their share, and you know, everyone people just give up

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the shares. And the result of this is that like

0:26:35.080 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 1>just every industry in Russia immediately falls under the control

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 1>of just just like absolutely psychotic oligarchs, and you know,

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the the West definitely sharing this on that this this

0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:48.399
<v Speaker 1>whole process is engineered by just a bunch of just

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:53.959
<v Speaker 1>like pure neoliberal Google like Harvards, like weird Harvard grads

0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 1>who gets sent into Russia and who are like, oh,

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we're gonna run the Russian economy and we're

0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna like fix everything, and they just just absolutely destroy it.

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the West has the thing that they're

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.640
<v Speaker 1>they're you know, they're they're they're cheering on this whole process.

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 1>They have this thing about how like everyone has to

0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>do belt tightening and you're gonna suffer for a bit

0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.639
<v Speaker 1>and it'll all be worth it. And meanwhile, Boris Jelson

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.720
<v Speaker 1>is just completely drunk off his asked like shelling the

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>parliament with tanks, while like the U. S. Press is cheering,

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know there's the sort of like you know,

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>the tragedy this is like it's not really like Russia

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 1>got like more free, you know, like they still they

0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:37.159
<v Speaker 1>still torture and disappeared anarchists and secret prisons, like you know,

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 1>there's there they still just like randomly assassinated political dissidence

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 1>with through increasingly bizarre, like poison bullshit. Yeah, yeah, but

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, the big difference is that a bunch of

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Harvard grads made an indescribable amount of money. Now no

0:27:55.280 --> 0:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>one has any pensions, um, and there's there's this is

0:27:57.800 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>great like this is a great Russian joke from this

0:27:59.600 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>period that goes he's talking about the communists. Everything they

0:28:02.840 --> 0:28:04.920
<v Speaker 1>ever told us about communism was a lie, but everything

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:08.720
<v Speaker 1>they ever told us about capitalism was absolutely true. Yeah,

0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that's that seems to be roughly accurate. Yeah, it's basically true.

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>And you know, and and the product is sort of

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:19.399
<v Speaker 1>neoliberalism coming to Russia is that by by by the

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.159
<v Speaker 1>end of the nineties, Russia is just literally controlled by

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the mob and these sort of monsters, oligarchs. And Putin's

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.440
<v Speaker 1>campaign is like I am better than the mob, and

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I will bring them, I will bring the mob in,

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the oligarchs under control. And this is you know, this

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.159
<v Speaker 1>is how Putin takes power because and he has failed

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to hold up to that probless to be fair, to

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 1>be fair, the you are significantly less likely to just

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>like randomly be kidnapped and ransoms. Not me, No, I

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>have I have wrote for a website. He does not,

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:55.120
<v Speaker 1>like I cannot that's true. That's true. If yeah, if

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:56.920
<v Speaker 1>you kiss off Putin, you might be held for ransom.

0:28:57.000 --> 0:28:59.440
<v Speaker 1>But it's like, you know, the number of random people

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>who don't do anything political, who are just like randomly

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>held for ransom did kind of go down a bit

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and like that's all right, all right, you gotta hand

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>it to Putin, Okay, I give him. Yeah, well, okay.

0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.120
<v Speaker 1>The thing on hand to Putin is that he restored

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>the state's monopoly on violence. Now that's not a good

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:23.720
<v Speaker 1>things now, but he did it. Yeah, he well, he

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>did it. And you know this this was the basis

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 1>of sort of because his power and political support was

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that in sort of nationalism. And this is like you know,

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>and and there's always just the sort of liberal line

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 1>on on on Putin. He's like, oh he's an SKGB guy,

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 1>and like oh, it's still communism again, and it's like no,

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 1>like no, no, and and that this this brings me

0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>back to the single thing that I I need everyone

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to understand about near liiberalism, which is that near liberalism

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>does not decrease the size of the state. Like the

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>there there were more, there were more bureaucrats now in

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>the Russian State than there were under the Soviet Union. No,

0:29:57.120 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and it definitely in order for it to operate, definitely

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>extends drastically that like the hands of the state in

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>terms of like like like military, police, law enforcement, like

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 1>all those things. In order to keep this weird market

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>driven thing alive, you need to have a lot of

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>like enforcement on people who don't have but both both

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 1>people who like actually make money and but most of

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:23.200
<v Speaker 1>the people who don't make very much money. So it

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>increases not only like the bureaucratic state, but also like

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>the enforcement armor the state. Yeah, and I think there's

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>there's there's there's there's two interesting ways this happens. One

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>is that, well, okay, there's three ways happens. One is

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that anytime someone says they're gonna they're gonna do deregulation,

0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.520
<v Speaker 1>like the deregulation does not mean that they're going to

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>decrease the number of regulations there are. What it means

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:47.160
<v Speaker 1>is that the regulations are bad for this company, and

0:30:47.280 --> 0:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>so they're they're going they're going to they're going to

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>add more regulations in a way that is good for

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.040
<v Speaker 1>this company. And the thing is this actually this, you know,

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.600
<v Speaker 1>this net increases the size of the state right there.

0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 1>They're not like they're not like they're not decreasing the

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>number of laws or whatever. They're you know, they're they're

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're writing like incredibly like absolutely incomprehensible banking

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>legislation that like, let's banks charge like interest rates that

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 1>previously only organized crime could do. And then there's there's

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 1>another aspect of this, which is that, you know, so

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>the the welfare that remains right, you know, it becomes

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 1>means tested, and you know that means that there's so

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>you have the bureaucracy right that like gives you things,

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and then you have another bureaucracy on top of that

0:31:28.240 --> 0:31:30.400
<v Speaker 1>that decides whether or not you should be allowed to

0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>do the thing it puts you know, there's this this

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 1>is just just this like process of abject humiliation that

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.719
<v Speaker 1>you have to go through to receive anything, yeah, from

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 1>the state. And it's like that sucks. And then because

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 1>that is so awful, there's another layer of bureaucracy, which

0:31:44.320 --> 0:31:46.760
<v Speaker 1>is like social workers and stuff, whose job it is,

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>in large part is to help you bypass the second

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>layer of bureaucracy, so that creates another layer. Yeah, there's

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>there's there's there's so much. Yeah it is, and but

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>but this is you know this, this, this is one

0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:59.680
<v Speaker 1>of the things in the ribals do, which is okay,

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>so you know, you you have you have, you have

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>your two doctrines. Right, you have the thing they actually believe,

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:07.520
<v Speaker 1>which is enormous, bureaucratic, military, state, and then you have

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the thing they claim to believe, which is, oh, the

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>state needs to be smaller, the state needs to be decentralized,

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the state shouldn't interfere in the market. And so whenever, whenever,

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:19.200
<v Speaker 1>like the things that they do get too bad, they

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>have this other thing they can turn to you to go, oh, yeah,

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>the reason there's too much bureaucracy is because the state's

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>getting involved too much. Elect us and we will get

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>rid of the bureaucracy. And then you elect them and

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>they make the state bigger, and you know, you get

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>this started, perpetual cycle. I think the reason people get

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:45.960
<v Speaker 1>confused by this is that when when people when most

0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>people think of the state, right, they think of the

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 1>state is something they provide services. You know that the

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>quintessential thing of state does is build roads roads. Yeah,

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and when you know, when we can

0:32:56.880 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 1>talk about how like the US building roads probably doomed

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the entire earth climate change. Oh yeah, no, like the

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>way that we've done roads around cars and the type

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>of things we make roads. Yeah, it's horrible, but yeah

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>it's awful. Yeah, but but there there's there's there's another

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:14.800
<v Speaker 1>thing about roads which is interesting, which is that roads

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.480
<v Speaker 1>are you know, so the original reason why states built

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>roads was they can move armies around. And if this

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>comes back to the core of what a state is, right,

0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 1>there is nothing in the actual core definition of a state,

0:33:28.600 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 1>which is basically it's a higerarch couple of localized monopoly

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>on violence. Right, there's nothing in that that has that

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>like says at all the state has to do anything

0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>for you, right like if if you know, if two

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.239
<v Speaker 1>guys with guns show up and sees a place, right,

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>they can create a state. They don't have to give

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>you anything. The state is the fundamental core of the

0:33:50.800 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>state is just a bunch of armed people who can

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 1>order people around. And you know, but people people sort

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.600
<v Speaker 1>of can people sort of confuse the two and the

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>neil Isms entire thing is increasing the increasing the military.

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:04.600
<v Speaker 1>You know that the part of the state that takes

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>things from you at gunpoint and decreasing the part of

0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the states that like gives you things. And you know,

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:14.480
<v Speaker 1>one of one of the there's one of one of

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.320
<v Speaker 1>the other things that that happens in this period is

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 1>that labor increasingly stops being about making or doing anything

0:34:23.560 --> 0:34:29.279
<v Speaker 1>and just becomes pure guard labor. So, you know, the

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the the last big neliberal project that doesn't really get

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.680
<v Speaker 1>talked about as a deliberal project ever, is that mass

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 1>incarceration is a deliberal project. It started under under Nixon

0:34:41.640 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>and under Carter. But you know, so when when Reagan

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>takes office that the American prison population is about three thousand.

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:51.560
<v Speaker 1>When he leaves office, he has basically doubled it to

0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:55.040
<v Speaker 1>uh six, seven thousand. We have now more than doubled

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:58.120
<v Speaker 1>it again. And you know it basically it you know,

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>when whenever you get a large ne liberal administration, they

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>they you know, they double it, right, it basically doubles

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 1>again drained dwen the Clinton administration. You know, it keeps accelerating,

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 1>and you know this is this is this is the

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>other thing that that neoliberalism brings in, which is that Okay,

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:19.280
<v Speaker 1>so neo liberals and produces this enormous population of people

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>who don't have any jobs, have no opportunities whatsoever, are

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 1>just screwed. So what do you do with them? And

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the answer is slavery. And basically everywhere that you stay

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:31.760
<v Speaker 1>u see neoliberalism. You see massive increases into prison population

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>espect like the US is by far the worst example

0:35:34.680 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>of this, but this happens. You know that the seven

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>is basically across the world and what what what you

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 1>see is in place of you know, it's this is

0:35:44.880 --> 0:35:46.839
<v Speaker 1>this one of the things that drives politics in sort

0:35:46.880 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>of in rural reasons in the US, which is that

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>you have these places that used to sort of have

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:53.279
<v Speaker 1>industry is used to particularly coal mining things like that,

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 1>and it gets replaced by prisons because prisons, you know,

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>having a prison in your sort of rural town is

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>is the only way to sort of ensure that you

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 1>have a large economic base. And so you know, like

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 1>local local city councils are you know, incredibly pro prison

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 1>because it's like, oh, well, the president will bring your

0:36:09.880 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 1>jobs and you know this means that Okay, so so

0:36:14.560 --> 0:36:16.440
<v Speaker 1>the people a lot of people who are prison guards

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 1>are just you know, fascists. But there's also people who

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 1>are prison guards who normally would just be workers. Yeah no, absolutely, yeah,

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 1>who have just been sort of but you know, there's

0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing left right and there they're fighting, you know, uh,

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Mike Davis talks about this, that they're finding this just

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>incredibly desperate, ferocious struggle to like stay in the places

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>they love and stay with their families, and stay with

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>their friends, stay with their communities. And the only way

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>they can do this is, you know, by becoming part

0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 1>of this like just the neo liberal health state. And

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>you know they don't like it either, but that's you know,

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>that's what the liberalism is, right, is you no longer

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>have a job. The only job available to you is

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 1>picking up a gun and pointing it at someone who

0:36:58.920 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 1>is exactly the same as you, except you know, they've

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.120
<v Speaker 1>been thrown into the slavery part of the system instead

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:07.839
<v Speaker 1>of the people holding the guns at the slavery part

0:37:07.880 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 1>of the system. And one of the things that that

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 1>happens a lot of people just really conflate about what

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 1>neoliberalism is is they can use it with libertarianism and

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 1>they're not the same thing. And and this this is

0:37:23.280 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 1>a condus is a very confusing problem because well, a,

0:37:26.640 --> 0:37:28.359
<v Speaker 1>the term nea liberals don't get used in the US

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:31.880
<v Speaker 1>all that much. When people use it, they usually use

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it to mean something bad. And that's just about it. Yeah, yeah,

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:39.320
<v Speaker 1>and and you know and and also another part of

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the problem is that even if you go into like

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the Montpellion Society, right which you know this is this

0:37:44.120 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 1>is this is the arch new liberal institution, and it's

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:49.920
<v Speaker 1>just like basically like a think tank generator, there are

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.120
<v Speaker 1>there are libertarians in there. There there are there are

0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>narco capitalists in the Montpellion Society, and the one Pellion

0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Society is fighting this sort of constant internal battle between

0:37:59.160 --> 0:38:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the people who actually believe the things that they say publicly,

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 1>like you actually believe you should have a small state

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah blah, and the people who understand

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that all the small states stuff is just like stuff

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>you tell the masses in order to get them to

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 1>like slash welfare things while you just hire more cops.

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:19.680
<v Speaker 1>And probably the single biggest distinction between the libertarians and

0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:23.400
<v Speaker 1>and the neo liberals is about border control. Now, if

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>if you listen to New Liberals on Twitter, or you

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>listen to Neil, or you listen to libertarians right, capitalism

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to have open borders, is supposed to be

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>free movement to people, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Um, if you

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.399
<v Speaker 1>look at literally everything every neo liberal government has ever done,

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.359
<v Speaker 1>it's exactly the opposite. It's they don't like that. Yeah, yeah,

0:38:41.400 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 1>they hit it. And you know, the this whole thing

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>about like oh you need workers to uh yeah, if

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 1>if you, if you, if you let workers from other

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 1>countries go into into the US, like oh they'll they'll,

0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 1>they'll decreased wages, blah blah blah blah. So the period

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.839
<v Speaker 1>in which the US like had strong unions and strong

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 1>wages and stuff, with the period where there was like

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:02.880
<v Speaker 1>basically no militarization on the Mexican border. I mean there

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>were some and you know there there's there's there's a

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>build up sort of dream the Vietnam War and they're

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 1>they're there sort of been one back like around election

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>revolution era. But you know it's it's nothing. It's literally

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:19.640
<v Speaker 1>nothing like it is today. Today. The US border is

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.840
<v Speaker 1>this just absolute hellscape. Um. I mean just like there's

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:25.919
<v Speaker 1>there's there's this enormous perimeter of the U. S border

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>where just the Constitution doesn't apply where like the Bill

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:30.799
<v Speaker 1>of Rights just doesn't exist. If if if you're if you're,

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:32.160
<v Speaker 1>if you're close enough to the border, it's just it's

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:35.320
<v Speaker 1>all suspended. Uh, it's not entirely suspended, but like basically

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:37.319
<v Speaker 1>the border patrol can just do whatever the funk they

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 1>want to you, and you know, like this is this,

0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:41.279
<v Speaker 1>this is this is how the border patrol was able

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 1>to be deployed in Portland, right because Portland's technically on

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 1>the border and the border patrol has increased power is

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 1>there and the actual goal is so people people are

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>always going to move right, And what the new labels

0:39:55.160 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 1>figured out was that you know, these these these enormous

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 1>miket labor populations, the best way you can exploit them

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 1>as if they're just absolutely terrorized by just this, you know,

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:12.280
<v Speaker 1>an incredible sort of ferociously hostile, murderous just border regime

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>run by fascists, and it works, like they kill, they

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:19.719
<v Speaker 1>kill enormous numbers of people, They do horrible things, They

0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:23.800
<v Speaker 1>put people with concentration camps, they sterilize people they like,

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 1>they sexually assault children, they disappear people they like, still

0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 1>people's babies, and this is you know, this is what

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:35.239
<v Speaker 1>neoliberalism is, right, This, this is what it actually is

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 1>in practice. This is you know, like, this is the

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 1>this is the this is the policy that is imposed

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 1>money liberal states. And I think I want to end

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:49.399
<v Speaker 1>on that, and I want to end on a note

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 1>about what the quintessential sort of figure of neoliberalism is,

0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>because I think, you know, in the neoliberals mind, right,

0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the quintessential neoliberal figure like the small entrepreneur who's like

0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 1>guy who's you know, turned their own creativity and like

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:09.800
<v Speaker 1>harnessed it into like the ability to create value, and

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:11.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're creating things in the world and they're

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.799
<v Speaker 1>reaching themselves. And I think a lot of leftists think

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 1>of it as like the quintession of the liberal is

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, a Chicago, Chicago School of Economics person. Yeah,

0:41:23.040 --> 0:41:25.399
<v Speaker 1>And I want to suggest that they quit. The single

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 1>quintessential like neoliberal figure is a riot cop, and specifically

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:35.279
<v Speaker 1>specifically that the you know, if if you know, every

0:41:35.360 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>everyone might now knows what a riot cop looks like. Right.

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I want everyone to go back and even even from

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.279
<v Speaker 1>from like two thousand one, look at what a riot

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>police officer looks like in two thousand one versus what

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 1>they look like now, and then go back to even

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.359
<v Speaker 1>like the nineteen sixties and look look at look at

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.719
<v Speaker 1>what those guys look like. Yeah, I know, looking at

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.799
<v Speaker 1>the footage from the sixties and riot cops is really

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.959
<v Speaker 1>depressed it because they're like, I could take these guys. Yeah,

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 1>they're they're just wearing T shirts. They're just guys. It's

0:42:08.320 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>it's way more of a fair fight. They have T

0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 1>shirts and sticks. We could have T shirts and sticks.

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.720
<v Speaker 1>That is that that's like the a arriety of the sixties.

0:42:15.800 --> 0:42:18.480
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like now they also in some cases will

0:42:18.480 --> 0:42:20.399
<v Speaker 1>be much more willing just to murder tons of people.

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Now there is that exception, but in like a big

0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:27.640
<v Speaker 1>street brawl, it is it is generally a bit of

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a fair fight. I mean, I will say also, sixties

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:34.080
<v Speaker 1>police love love dogs. They love like sicking dogs and people,

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 1>which is really bad. Yeah, I'm I'm looking at it,

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 1>looking at at the two thousand one riot cops, and yeah,

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 1>they are not nearly as robot copy. Nope, that's what

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 1>they are now. During the Chilean uprising in I was

0:42:49.200 --> 0:42:52.400
<v Speaker 1>talking to someone in Chile and they were talking about

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 1>how like they were describing it as like the cops

0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>were just like like something had a change, beating ninja

0:42:57.600 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 1>turtles like it was like fighting the shredder. There. There's

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 1>even even even the l a p. D. Riot cops

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>for the nineteen two riots. They're also still just wearing

0:43:08.719 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 1>like shirts like they just have they just have colored

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>shirts and one stick. Yeah and now versus now they're

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.600
<v Speaker 1>wearing there whatever dumb armor they have. Yeah. But you know,

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 1>and this is this is you know and this, this

0:43:20.440 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 1>is this is if if you want to trace the

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:25.080
<v Speaker 1>path in near liberalism, it's this. It's a lot of

0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:30.080
<v Speaker 1>the army surplus stuff that like the police have gotten

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of. It's really scary. A lot of it

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.160
<v Speaker 1>also sucks, like a lot of those a t v

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 1>S every like everyone who's ever had to drive them

0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 1>hates them. But you know, like like my my like

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:44.480
<v Speaker 1>absolutely tiny dinky town has a bear cat and that

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:48.040
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't that shouldn't be. And I know where it is too,

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I know where the bear cat is. It's like,

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>there shouldn't be a bear cat. My town is a

0:43:54.800 --> 0:43:57.839
<v Speaker 1>tax cutout, like it's it's literally a tax carve out

0:43:57.920 --> 0:43:59.720
<v Speaker 1>like that. That's the reason that's the really recent it exists,

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>and it a bear cat and like, you know, this

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:05.080
<v Speaker 1>is this is sort of the this is the consequence

0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 1>of of of what ne o liiberalism, isn't it. Vicky

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:11.240
<v Speaker 1>uster Well talked about this on on on the Occupy episode.

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 1>It's it's the cops become more like become more like

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the army. The army becomes more like the cops, and

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the result is this sort of pen

0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>out to con surveillance states, where like if you and

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:28.000
<v Speaker 1>seven people stand on a sidewalk, sixteen cops will show up. Yeah,

0:44:28.080 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>they've they've really uh excelled in making the capitalist realism

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Dumer philosophy be almost like the base philosophy for anyone

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:40.400
<v Speaker 1>who takes two seconds to think about the world that

0:44:40.480 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>they live in. And you know, and this has been

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 1>really effective in a lot of ways. But you know,

0:44:48.080 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 1>David Graeber point pointed this out, which is that the

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>problem with doing this is that, you know, okay, so

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 1>like the the the enormous amount of guard labor, right,

0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.759
<v Speaker 1>the enormous amount of sort of prison guards, Like that's

0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 1>all unproductive labor, right, you know, you you you you

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:04.640
<v Speaker 1>make you make some of that money back off the

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.920
<v Speaker 1>companies make some of the money back off the slave labor, right,

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>but like, but that in general there the guards aren't

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:14.480
<v Speaker 1>adding anything. They're not they're not they're not producing any

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 1>goods um and not really much service either. No, and

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and and this is you know this this this is

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.800
<v Speaker 1>a problem right because because neoliberalism is profit driven, and

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 1>so you know, what you have is is that the

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.800
<v Speaker 1>system has a choice between either it functioning or it

0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>making it appear as if it's the only system. And

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:36.439
<v Speaker 1>it that's the thing is that it's it's it's kind

0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:39.800
<v Speaker 1>of profit driven. But honestly, the more that I the

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>more that you've been talking, like, no, it's just about

0:45:42.160 --> 0:45:45.479
<v Speaker 1>eliminating any alternative. So it's not not even profit driven.

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:50.319
<v Speaker 1>It's that it's forcing itself to be the only acceptable option. Yeah,

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:54.439
<v Speaker 1>that's how it gets so much of its power. Yeah,

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:57.680
<v Speaker 1>but but you know the problem with this is that

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.359
<v Speaker 1>all of that sort of ideological coercion only last as

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 1>long as the police can hold the streets. And which

0:46:07.040 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 1>is they're good at it there there sometimes they're decent.

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>You know. One of the story I want to end

0:46:13.000 --> 0:46:18.520
<v Speaker 1>on is so there's you know, there has been in

0:46:18.680 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 1>some with more varying degrees of success. There has actually

0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 1>been resistance in neoliberalism, and there are places where people

0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>have won the people. There are places where people have

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 1>run the I m f out those people. There's places

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.880
<v Speaker 1>where people have you know, defeated coups where they've like

0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, where they've where they've they've they've successfully sort

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 1>of taken over the state. There's places where, you know,

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's there's there's places like you know, we're

0:46:43.040 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 1>gonn talking about couple of things in Mexico, but yeah,

0:46:44.760 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's there's the Zapatistas who have you know,

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 1>are constantly besieged, but have carved out a territory in

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 1>which they have you know, like totally defeated the Mexican

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 1>almost really defeated the Mexican state. And I think one

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of the sort of forgotten incidents in in the two

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:05.520
<v Speaker 1>thousands is this uprising in Wahaka where they, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's an enormous sort of a bunch of teachers

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<v Speaker 1>are going on strike. And you know, Wahawka's teachers unions

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<v Speaker 1>are enormously powerful and incredibly radical, and so you know

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<v Speaker 1>that they one of the things they do is that

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<v Speaker 1>they go into the city and they have these like

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<v Speaker 1>these giants started protest tents that they showed up and

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<v Speaker 1>they have these like giant camps and she in six

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<v Speaker 1>the police attack them, and so they start attacking and

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<v Speaker 1>the and the teachers fight back, and so you have

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<v Speaker 1>this you know this, this this massive battle erupts um

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<v Speaker 1>it's just in this city and you know this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is all The police attack at like three in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, right, but they can they there's not enough

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<v Speaker 1>of them. The clear teachers out and the teachers hold

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<v Speaker 1>and they hold and they hold, and that the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Wahaka wakes up to this just enormous battle in

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<v Speaker 1>the streets between a bunch of just like teachers and

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<v Speaker 1>the cops. And when Wahawka wakes up, they are just

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<v Speaker 1>like what the fuck is the us? And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they joined the teachers and they go fight the cops

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<v Speaker 1>and they they they're largely successful in like like they

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<v Speaker 1>beat them, they drive, they drive the police from the

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<v Speaker 1>city and you know, and and for for for for

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<v Speaker 1>for several months, the city is basically under the control

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<v Speaker 1>of these like direct democratic councils and like they're there

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<v Speaker 1>are these there are these things they call them mega

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<v Speaker 1>marshes whire just a million people will do a march

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<v Speaker 1>to the streets and the police there's the police just

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<v Speaker 1>can't stop them because you know, there's a million people.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's that's the only way that I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>it be successful, whether it be you know, just to

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<v Speaker 1>sure sheer massive people driving cops out of a police station,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, an entire city rallying behind people like

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<v Speaker 1>in in in Portland when the fence came, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you need to have like everybody to show up, because

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:54.320
<v Speaker 1>they could fight two hundred like twin canarchists, they pretty easily.

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<v Speaker 1>You usually, um, but when you have like all of

0:48:57.719 --> 0:48:59.840
<v Speaker 1>the moms and dads and regular people come up, that

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<v Speaker 1>is much more of a complicated of fight on like

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<v Speaker 1>on on their end, because yeah, we'll still have the

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.600
<v Speaker 1>teenage front liners throwing of the cops, but when you

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 1>have like regular people behind them, that creates the whole

0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:17.680
<v Speaker 1>media narrative and to be something totally different. And it

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<v Speaker 1>got the Feds to back down in Portland when Trump

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted to not happen. And I think also the

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<v Speaker 1>thing the thing that that was incre incredible hawk is

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just people sort of like standing behind them,

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<v Speaker 1>like like tens of thousands of people just joined the

0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:35.800
<v Speaker 1>fight in in a way that you know, it like

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<v Speaker 1>if you know, if if there's like fifty tho people

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<v Speaker 1>in a city throwing bricks at you, like you you

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<v Speaker 1>either have to start shooting into the crowd or try

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:44.759
<v Speaker 1>to hold them. Can't You can't. And even when he

0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:46.800
<v Speaker 1>started shooting into the crowd, yeah, they tried it, and

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<v Speaker 1>disaster it made it made even the crowds were larger,

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<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, one of the things that happens

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<v Speaker 1>is that the the revolutionaries try to like you know,

0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:58.319
<v Speaker 1>they go to the radio station or like okay, well

0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.920
<v Speaker 1>you broadcast this radiotation says no, and they start seizing

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<v Speaker 1>radio stations all over all over the city. Yeah and

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<v Speaker 1>they yeah, and then you know, and then they had

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<v Speaker 1>they had these they had these like bonfires at the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of the city where if it's at the meets,

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<v Speaker 1>and like they're there's they're they're sending there, They're they're

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<v Speaker 1>sending radio like messages like over over the radio stations

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<v Speaker 1>they've taken over from like barricade to barricade, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually the police and like the like the Mexican Army

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<v Speaker 1>shows up and at that point they're able to sort

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 1>of retake the city. And there's a couple of other

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<v Speaker 1>things happening in Mexico at this point that are sort

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 1>of this is giants are left wing tied. And the

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<v Speaker 1>way that it gets stopped is that the Mexican army

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<v Speaker 1>basically fully kicks off the drug war and they kill

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've seen numbers up to like eight hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand people in ten years. They just they basically basically

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>genocides the indigenous population of of of Mexico. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think that's that's that's sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>place to leave it, because you know, more big hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>note to end to the show on. Yeah, but I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I think I think it is it is worth

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<v Speaker 1>it is you know, it's it's it's it's worth thinking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Is one. It is possible to beat the police too.

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<v Speaker 1>The ruling class will literally bathe the entire country in blood,

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<v Speaker 1>like they will destroy their own country is different the

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<v Speaker 1>way I mean this gets discussed in the season happen here,

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<v Speaker 1>But like the way the American military works, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it will be less likely to do that. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean and I want I want to put this oi, like,

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<v Speaker 1>so what the thing that the army doesn't directly murder

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 1>people what they do is but what they do is

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:43.360
<v Speaker 1>basically like they they set off a bunch of fighting

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:46.919
<v Speaker 1>between the cartels and then and the cartels fucking murder

0:51:47.400 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 1>enormous numbers people. You know, we will happily murder each other.

0:51:50.640 --> 0:51:52.640
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, yeah, well and also you know, I mean

0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:54.279
<v Speaker 1>it's it's also this is this is you know, the

0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 1>thing with the Mexican state. It's it's very very difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to tell where the cartels stop and where the Mexican

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<v Speaker 1>Army begins because a lot of them are the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And like you know, there's yeah, that's hopeful. Note to

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<v Speaker 1>end on and just but just to make the ending

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<v Speaker 1>a bit better, I do want to say I'm no

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<v Speaker 1>longer going to call anyone uh neoliberal. I made this

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>joke in the group chat yesterday and nobody responded to it,

0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 1>so it was set, So I'll say it now. I'm

0:52:20.640 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 1>only going they called them Thomas Anderson liberals. That that

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:27.960
<v Speaker 1>that that that's that is what I'm calling them now. Um,

0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:31.960
<v Speaker 1>And I'll make everyone wait two seconds to understand what's

0:52:32.000 --> 0:52:34.920
<v Speaker 1>going on and then sigh and then motion to get

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.520
<v Speaker 1>me out of the room. So thank you Chris for

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:43.359
<v Speaker 1>talking about them, and thank thank thank thank you all

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