1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to It could happen here a show about things 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: falling apart, and is for one final time this week 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: about why and how things have fallen apart in this 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: specific way. Um, I'm I'm I'm your host Christopher, and 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: today with me I have Garrison. Well, Garrison, Hello, how 6 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: you doing. I'm doing fine. We're gonna talk about something 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: that's not fine. It's not fine at all, is in 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: fact extremely grim and bad, which is part four of 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: our series of deal Liberalism, i e. All of the 10 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: bad things happened at once so in in in in 11 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: a last episode, we talked about how throughout throughout most 12 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: of the Third World or you know what was at 13 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: the time known as the Third World, new liberalism is 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: not really imposed by people voting for it. It's mostly 15 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: imposed by either external forces via coup or by just 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: the I M going okay, just we're running the country now. Um, 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: but this this, yeah, We're we're gonna shift our focus 18 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: a bit this episode with the people who were I 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: don't know, unfortunate enough, misguided enough, decided that they hated 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: each other enough to actually choose neoliberalism for themselves. Now, 21 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: one of the sort of stories we've been tracing here 22 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 1: on sort of a very broad arc is the reaction 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: by Neil Bulls to kind of kind of compromise it 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: have been worked out between labor and capital, particularly the 25 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: US after sort of the open class warfare in the 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: reteen thirties, and you know, they're essentially there's there's a 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: kind of deal that's set up informally, which is so 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: the we're working class will stop literally constantly going on 29 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: strike and showing up the strikes with like enormous numbers 30 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: of guns and shooting at people, and they will you know, 31 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: stop trying to overshow the government in exchange, the state 32 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: gives you welfare programs, the state will give you a house. 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: And this is this is particularly after what we're too 34 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: the Americans say, just you know, does this matter homeownership campaign? 35 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: And you know, if if you're if you're, if you're 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, a union worker, particularly if you're a white 37 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: man like this, this, you know, working working, working one 38 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: of these union jobs will put you into the middle class. 39 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: You can take vacations, you can have a house, um, 40 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 1: you can get pensions. Your unions are legal now, which 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: is the thing that like you know, hadn't happened before. 42 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: And this is essentially, you know, this is essentially a 43 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: kind of insurgency tool. Um. The goal of this is 44 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: to stop people from you know, doing the kinds of 45 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: revolts that were happening in at the dirties. But by 46 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies it's becoming very clear that this sort 47 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: of the like can't it can't really be maintained because 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: it's too expensive for sort of the capital states to 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: maintain and trying to maintain both well. And you know, 50 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: the secondary thing here is is, you know, okay, so 51 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: this deal specifically goes out to white men right now, 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: throughout the sixties and seventies, you get a bunch of 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: other people who are not white men attempting to enter 54 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: the workplace, attempting you get the same bargain, and you know, 55 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: they're in a lot of way significantly one militants. And 56 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: this causes en normal sponsetermentional strife. You get you know, 57 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 1: the US is murdering the black panthers. You get similar 58 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: stuff in the UK and the neoliberals basically are the 59 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: people who just fully called this to tants off and 60 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: are you know, essentially going to return to full scale 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: class war. And so now now we are we are 62 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: finally getting to Reagan and Thatcher, and one day we 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: will do a full episode about how Ronald Reagan, in 64 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 1: a weird, shadowy cabal of Italian intelligence services rigged the 65 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty election by planting fake stories about Jimmy Carter's 66 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: brother and the press, which is if you hear the story, Garrison, No, 67 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: but it sounds like regular media manipulation that happens all 68 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: the time. Now, Yeah, yeah, it's it's yeah, there, there's, 69 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: there's there's there's there's a whole three line there because 70 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: you know a lot of those like same kind of 71 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: intelligence tactics are gonna be used South the Iraq War, 72 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: and there's there's this whole sort of thing. Then you 73 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: know that there's also the specific Italian angle of uh yeah, 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: the Italian States being run by this rogue Masonic lodge 75 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: led by a fascist and it's it's a time this 76 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: is all going on there. But that's you know, I'm 77 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: just I'm just thinking like Hunter Biden laptop and all 78 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, yeah stuff. It's like, oh so that's 79 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: just the same playbook. Yeah, it's it's the same thing, 80 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: except like they were like actual intelligence people running it 81 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: instead of just sort of like whatever, Tucker carloson Tucker Carlson, 82 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 1: Glenn Greenwaal, trying to get people to care about this 83 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: thing that just nobody gives a single ship about. Yeah, 84 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: you know, it was, it was, but the the Ages 85 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: version of it was significantly more effective. And you know, 86 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: the product of this is that Reagan sort of Reagan 87 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: finds like the secret sauce for right wing politics, which 88 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: is kind of you know, in in in some ways, 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: and Nixon had been trying to develop it hadn't quite 90 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: gotten right, which is no, yeah, yeah, yeah. He he 91 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: figures out that, you know, if you want to do 92 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: new liberalism, if you want to destroy the unions, you 93 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: want to show the welfare state, the way you do 94 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: it is basically a combination of racist tax and welfare 95 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: recipients and you mobilize new religious right. And this is 96 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: extremely effective and it's but I think it's also interesting 97 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: and worth noting that, you know, if if you got 98 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: all the back to episode one, like this is this 99 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: is rope keys like white nationalism, like short German white nationalism. 100 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: Thing is this is explicitly a ropeky sort of strategy 101 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: for implenting the liberalism was the problem is he was 102 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: German and Catholic, which meant that like it could never 103 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: work in the US. But you know, you get Reagan, 104 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: suddenly you get the American version of it, that is, 105 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: you know, white but American, and then also works off 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: the sort of of off of the sort of mass 107 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: Protestantism in the US, and this becomes a force study 108 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: is responsible for like almost every bad thing that exists 109 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: today in some form or another lot of them. Yeah, 110 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: I mean not not often, but you know, I the thing, 111 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: things go extremely badly. And so Reagan wins this election 112 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 1: and then almost exactly the same time, Margaret Thatcher wins 113 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: the wins her election in in the UK, and that 114 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: the combination of those two things, and also, as we 115 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: talked about last episode, the Vulcar shock, where Volca raises 116 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: the interest rates raised, defendation become so Vulcar is installed weirdly, 117 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: not by Ronald Reagan but by Jimmy Carter, but is 118 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: given this sort of mandate to just do whatever, literally 119 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: do whatever you have to to to get inflation under control. 120 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: The thing that he decides to do is just literally 121 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: nuke the entire world economy. You know, when we talked 122 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: about the effects of this hat ont of the world 123 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: and the last episode. But in the US this sets 124 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: off a recession at last, basically from like nineteen seventy 125 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: nine to Night two. At the height of it, it's 126 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: like it's I think we finally got more people unemployed 127 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, but I'm like sure that between World 128 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: War Two and the pandemic, that was the single largest 129 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: number pop who have been unemployed in the US, which 130 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: just yeah, it was just apocle, just apocle devastation. And 131 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,679 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's there's a whole thing here where 132 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: the head of the a f l C. I OH 133 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: is literally begging Vulcar like, please don't do this, like 134 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: we can get inflation under control after, you know, after 135 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: the economy recovers, and vocals just like no. The consequence 136 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: of this is that you have you have an economy 137 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: in which is no more sumber of people unemployed, and 138 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: the unions are weak, and both Reagan and Thatcher sort 139 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: of see this. Now the unions in the UK are 140 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: in a sniffulty better position the American unions. Reagan is 141 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: able to sort of smash the American unions very quickly 142 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: there's there's the you know, the famous air traffic control 143 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: strike where a bunch of American air traffic controllers go 144 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: on strike technically illegally, and Reagan just has literally every 145 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: single one of them fired and replaces them with just 146 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: like like people from flight school, like people who just 147 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: just like apt literally anyone he can just like pull 148 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: off the street who sort of kind of knows how 149 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: to how to land an aircraft, like they put on 150 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: people from the military. It's it's just like this absolutely 151 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: wild sort of feet of strike breaking. And then you know, 152 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: and when when when that falls and that that strike fails, 153 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, the air traffic controllers well, okay, funnily so, 154 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: the air traff controllers had actually backed Reagan. They were 155 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: like the only union that backed Reagan in the election, 156 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: and they immediately just get you know, they get gutted 157 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: for it, which, like I have mixed feelings about because like, 158 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: on the one hand, like, yeah, that's that's, that's what 159 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: you get. But on the other hand, this is basically 160 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: what the stories this, This is the consequences that this 161 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: is basically what the stories like trade unions in the 162 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: US because at this at this point, everyone realizes that 163 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: the unions are weak and they just start you know, 164 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: there's you get to the point where employers are deliberately 165 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: provoking strikes so that they can just fire all the 166 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: unionized employees. And it's extra to be effective. In in Britain, 167 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: the fight is a lot more intense um in in 168 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: in Entity. For Thatcher cuts cold, like basically Thatchery wants 169 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: to provoke a fight with with the coal unions and 170 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: so she basically wants to shut down a whole bunch 171 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: of coal production and fire like twenty miners, and the 172 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: miners go on strike, and they go on strike for 173 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: over a year. But Thatcher had basically stockpiled enough cold 174 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: to stave off the worst effects of the strike. And 175 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: then she makes these incredibly elaborate network of deals with 176 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: like She's like this this whole scab driver like union, 177 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: like basically this whole network of scab drivers, like make 178 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: sure you can move the coal around while the strike's 179 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: going on. There there's all of this stuff, and you know, 180 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: and and she eventually is able to crush the coal strike. 181 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: And this also just just completely annihilates like the British 182 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: trade union movement, I mean union participation. I think dreaming 183 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: Thatcher's term alone falls and it's gotten way worse since then. 184 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: So so with those two incidents, the air traffic control 185 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: and the coal did did those just kind of make 186 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: people be disillusioned or did that just like pave the 187 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: way for similar tactics to be acceptable for every other 188 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: union that tried to do the same thing both And 189 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: then the everthing was fear because you know, so with 190 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: the air traffic controllers, right, the air traffic controllers are 191 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, these are the most highly skilled like people 192 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: people in there there, These are a bunch of people 193 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: who are incredibly have the skilled and they're in there, 194 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: in there in a logistic industry, right, so you know, 195 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: in theory, these are the people who have like the 196 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: maximum amount of impact if they would go on strike. 197 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: And when Reagan shows that you can literally just fire 198 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: twenty four thousand people of like the most highly skilled 199 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: sort of workers in the in the US, you can 200 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: fire them and just break the strike and nothing will happen, 201 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: and you know the result is total defeat and none 202 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: of these people ever work again. That basically spreads this 203 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: massive wave of fear through the union movements because you know, 204 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: if they can fire those guys, they can fire anyone 205 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: and then you know, the the employers just start doing it. 206 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: And the other thing that's been happening here is that 207 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: for really since the end of the forties, the unions 208 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: have kind of So we'll we'll talk about this more 209 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: in in in an interview that's gonna come out probably 210 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: next week about sort of the history American union movements, 211 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: but American unions basically so American, like the union movement 212 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: was built by radical organizers and in the forties and 213 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: sort of moving on from there, all these people get 214 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,479 Speaker 1: expelled from the labor movement and labor fights this basically 215 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: incredibly intense battle against its own left flank, and you 216 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 1: have you know, like for example, in in there's this 217 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: thing called the Dodge Revolutionary Union Movement, right, which is 218 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: a bunch of mostly black workers in Detroit, who are 219 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: you know, they're there there there forming unions, they're going 220 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,599 Speaker 1: on a strike, but they're also fighting against the the 221 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: u a W because the U a W is cooperating 222 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: too closely. But the bosses etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And there's 223 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: there's there's these you know, there's there's basically this battle 224 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: between like not even just basically between the unions ranked 225 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: and file and the radicals and the sort of business 226 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: union management, and in fighting that battle, the unions had 227 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: basically like massively weakened themselves and then you know, and 228 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: bye bye bye. By the time you hit the eighties, 229 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: especially in the US, the unions are just sort of 230 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: a shell out their form ourselves, and and Reagan just 231 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: sort of like smashes them aside. And Thatcher the British 232 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: unions are much stronger, but you know, I mean that 233 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: Thatcher is preparing to like like there she she has 234 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: plans to like the army is going to come in 235 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: and suppress the strike. There's these and especially there's there's just, 236 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: i mean just an absolutely incredible amount of police violence. 237 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: Um that's you know, I mean, this is this is 238 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: something that had happened before during strikes, but the the 239 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: the the level of intensity of it is just like 240 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: massively increased. And there's also another thing that's happening basically 241 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: at the same time with this, which is squeezing the 242 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: units on the other side, which is there's this I 243 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: guess you could call it like an internal class war 244 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: inside the ruling class between well specifically inside inside of 245 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: the sort of corporate management between the sort of traditional 246 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: like manager CEO class and the sort of like I 247 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: guess you could call them, I don't know, the sort 248 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: of Wall Street finance bank types and so so yeah, 249 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: so one of the other things that that happens at 250 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: the end of you know, basically after the war is 251 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,319 Speaker 1: the sort of class compromise was talking about like this, 252 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: this happens inside of the company too, and people start 253 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,839 Speaker 1: to see the corporation as like a social institution. It 254 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: has you know, it's like, well, okay, so there's this 255 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: alliance between middle management and the workers, and you know, 256 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so we we both worked with each other, 257 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: and you know, the compromises that you guys got to 258 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: have unions, but the unions won't sort of disruptroduction. We'll 259 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: all work together and we'll just make like I don't know, 260 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: we'll we'll make really really good ballpoint pens together. And 261 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: so yeah, you have this in lince between sort of 262 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: middle managements and these unions, you know, and this this 263 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: is embedded into the structure of the corporation because you know, 264 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 1: you not you not only have the unions, but you 265 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: have corporations paying pensions. One of the things that that 266 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: Reagan does is that Reagan starts, you know, Reagan does 267 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: this massive series of financial deregulations. And the other part 268 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: of this agreement basically had been that like the high 269 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: level of finance class has sort of stayed out of 270 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: the way of management, and so management kind of like 271 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: you know, the you get this like this independent sort 272 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: of CEO class that that's that's a distinct thing that 273 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, that the people who come up through the 274 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: company who managers and they worked away at the top, 275 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: and this is a distinct thing from sort of the 276 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: finance people who are like they're not supposed to be 277 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: allowed to like, you know, the touch production. But in 278 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties, the finance people start to look at 279 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: this and go, wait, hold on, why are we not 280 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: running things? And the finance people have because they have 281 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 1: the two things on their side. One they have a 282 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: sort of neoliberal ideology, and the second thing they have 283 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: is so Michael Milken he figures out how to do 284 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: this thing called a leverage buyout option. It's it's it's 285 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: a it's a kind of complicated financial instrument. The short 286 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: and simple explanation of what it is is he figures 287 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: out a way too basically go into a bunch of debt, 288 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: and he he gets he gets people to give him 289 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: a bunch of money, like in the form of these bonds, 290 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: and then he uses it to just buy out entire companies. 291 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: He buys of the company. And if you own fit 292 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: of the company, now you control, you have controlling interest. 293 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: And so he goes in and she just he just 294 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: raises the stock prices of all these companies. And now 295 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, but I mean, now he's gone into an 296 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: enormous amount of debts right in order to buy in 297 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: order to buy this company, and so you know, in 298 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: order to pay off that debt, he just starts strip 299 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: money in the company. And so he starts, you know, 300 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: anything that can be sold for money that he can 301 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: put in his pocket to pay off his debt starts 302 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: getting sold. And you know, every anything the corporate that 303 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: the company is doing, it doesn't immediate make money or 304 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: doesn't immediately raise the stock price gets cut. And so 305 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, there there, there, there are there are two 306 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: major things that a company has that don't immediately make 307 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: money and don't raise the stock price, and that is 308 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: pensions and research and development. And this this has you know, this, this, this, this, 309 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: this becomes known as the sort of this is the 310 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: hustle takeover waves. It gets rebranded as mergers and acquisitions 311 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: in the nineties, but it's it's this huge sort of wave, 312 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: those these corporate scripts corporate America, and it turns the 313 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: corporation from this kind of social body where it's like, well, 314 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: everyone's cooperating and companies sort of have this responsibility to 315 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: like provide for their workers and provide sort of for 316 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: like the social good into literally the only like the 317 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: single entire purpose of any company is to raise the 318 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: stock price. And this, yeah, this is really bad. Yeah, 319 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: and and and you know the part about it that's 320 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: awful is that, you know, okay, so all all literally 321 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: all a corporate rad has to do in order to 322 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 1: buy out one of these companies is be able to 323 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: is be able to offer a price for the stock 324 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: that's higher from the stock price of the company now. 325 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: And this means even so they're they're they're there's a 326 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: very famous series of battles they buy out. An enormous 327 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: number of companies get bought out into strip minds like this, 328 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 1: and you know, and the over and again these are 329 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: these are very very profitable companies, right, These are companies 330 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: with large research and development budgets. These are companies that 331 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: are making enormous amounts of money and they're just completely 332 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: destroyed in order to sort of just like satiate these 333 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: just like absolute Google corporate, like vulture raider people. This 334 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: is you know, if you remember, might be too young 335 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: for this, but Romney's campaign for so yeah, one one 336 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: of the reasons why Mitt Romney loses is that like 337 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: he's one of these guys like he's he's like he's 338 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: the big bang capital guy, and everyone's kind of looks 339 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: at him and goes like, you're the reason we'd like 340 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: guide to this mess in the first place. But the problem, 341 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: the problem is that these people who have enough money 342 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: and they have enough power, they're able to do this 343 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: and in order to stop them, so either there there 344 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: there's a massive there's a massive fight. A bunch of 345 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: people try to take over good Year, who you know, 346 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: they make the tires, they have the blimps, and Goodyear 347 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: CEO is like fanatically opposed to all of this because 348 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, she she's she's from the old ceo crop 349 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: who's like, well, okay, we're here to like make things 350 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: instead of you know, increased stock prices. But the problem 351 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: is the only way he can save off the raiders 352 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: is by increasing a stock price. And the only way 353 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: to increase stock prices is by doing the things the 354 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: corporate raiders are already doing. So she starts slashing contentions, 355 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: he starts flashing with your development budgets. Yeah, and this 356 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: and this. This sort of cycles because now you have 357 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, there's there, there's it's it's it's you're not 358 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: only having pressure from you know, like the government, that's 359 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: that's anti union. The corporations themselves are being forced to 360 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: become more anti union because they're you know, they now 361 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: have this pressure on them from the top down, from 362 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: from these sort of these sort of finance schools, and 363 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: the finance schools in a lot of ways just the 364 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: perfect nilable subjects, right because they only see the world 365 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: in money. They see everything as a market that they 366 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: literally think that like they they are like these like 367 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: shamans if if if there's a really good ethnography that 368 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: I've plugged before on here called liquidated and an ethnography 369 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: and void yet liquidated and ethnography of Wall Street, where 370 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: an anthropologist goes onto Wall Street and works there for 371 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: a while, and then you cannot much of interviews, doesn't 372 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't athethpological stuff. And the way they talk about 373 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: the market, they literally talk about it as if they're 374 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: channeling it, right, like it's like something and they're like, 375 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: these are yea, these are these are that's that's one 376 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: of the new gods of of our world. That yeah, 377 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's that. That's not an uncommon term 378 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: of phrase to describe stuff like this. Yeah, and and 379 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: what what what what I think is they just think 380 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: about it though, is that you know that conception of 381 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: the market of like every person is just like a 382 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: peer like completely socially unbounds like thing of capital all 383 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: that you Oh, well, okay, if you lose your job here, 384 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: you can just move to another firm, right, So this 385 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: makes sense inside of the context of Wall Street because 386 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: these people like like these Wall Street firms they have 387 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: they have like like thirty turned over a year, and 388 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: so all these people are constantly being fired and shuffle 389 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: on to the next job, and fired and shuffle onto 390 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: the next job, and so you know, they so they 391 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: they do they do this very common sort of fallacy 392 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: thing where they assume that because this is the way 393 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: that it works for them, but this is the way 394 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: it's gonna work for everyone else. And then they genuine 395 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: and a lot of these people genuinely believe this. They're like, well, okay, 396 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:31,880 Speaker 1: so the things we're gonna with things that we're about 397 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: to do, like, you know, when we destroy these workers 398 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: entire lives when we should be you know, when we 399 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: close their factories, when we take their pensions, when we 400 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: literally destroyed like every community and every like thing that's 401 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: every just in your lives, they're like, oh, they'll just 402 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: pick themselves up and go to another place and they'll 403 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: be fine, because you know, if you're if you're you know, 404 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: a Wall Street finance school, like, yeah, that's that's what 405 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: happens when you get fired every three months. And so 406 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: these people, these people basically take control of the entire 407 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: overspective they do. They do this very quickly by you know, 408 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: they start this in the sort of early eighties. And uh, Milliken, 409 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 1: the guy who comes up with the junk bonds leveraged 410 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: buyout scheme, like he he goes to jail for I 411 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: think securities fraud. Do they get him for fraud. But 412 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: it doesn't it a lot of those guys got all 413 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: of these people like he again, all of these people 414 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: are just doing crime, Like now, yeah, that's how finance standards, 415 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: this is how this is how the Action Park guy 416 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 1: got kicked out. You got kicked out doing doing all 417 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: the same stuff. And again, I want to put this out, 418 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: like the stuff they're doing is so illegal that like 419 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: even the Reagan administration was like, no, we have to 420 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: prosecute you. Like that's like, this is the this is 421 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 1: the Ronald Reagan Justice departments. And they're like it was 422 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: it was so much crib. Yeah, it's it's really bad. 423 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: And and you know the result of this is just 424 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: basically the total visceration of the working class just like 425 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: as a movement. And you know, all the left wing 426 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: parties are sort of shaped by this. And you know, 427 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: and you know, we've been focusing on on the US 428 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: and uh in the UK here, but this is not 429 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: the only place this happens. And you know, so one 430 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: of the you know, like this this happens, this, this 431 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: also starts happening like in socialist states. Um And we 432 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: talked about this in more detail in our interview with 433 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: Arnessa Kasutra about Bosnia. But one of the big things 434 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: that Miloshevik is doing in Yugoslavia and when when he 435 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: takes power and he starts like actually being a real 436 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: political force inins in eighties, is he starts doing basically 437 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: all of the same stuff that that that reagan A, 438 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: thatacher doing. He starts, he starts implementing shock adoction, he 439 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: starts privatization, he starts um like marketization, he starts cutting stutting, 440 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: cutting price controls, he starts sort of he starts doing 441 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: I don't know if decollectimization is quite the right word, 442 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: because Yugoslavia's economic system is complicated and weirder than uh 443 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: the SSRs. But you know, he does this, and this 444 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: is one of the things that starts Yugoslavia's dethspiral, because 445 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, you have this enormous economic devastation from the 446 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: increase in oil prices from the oil shock, and then 447 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: that gets paired with, you know, the the economic devastation 448 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: from everyone losing their benefits, people losing de pensions, the 449 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: state on the industries going under and getting privatized, um 450 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: the sort of like collective ownership structures imploding and the 451 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: product of this is that you know, Melosivic looks at 452 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: this and it's like, Okay, how can I stay in power? 453 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: And his answer is just genocide on that. It's just 454 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: genocide on nationalism. And this sort of collapse a sort 455 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: of state and social life is you know, and and 456 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: the leaders at the top realizing that they can weaponize 457 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: sort of nationalism is one of the things at least 458 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: directly to the Boston and genocide. Now, towards the end 459 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: of the eighties, the whole Soviet block starts coming apart um. Yeah, 460 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: you know, the Berlin Wall falls and eventually, you know, 461 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union dissolves, and the people who are trying 462 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: to end the Soviet Union, the things that they want 463 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: basically are like freedom of speech, the ability to like 464 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: leave the country, and basically like Scandinavian style social democracy. 465 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: And it was like reasonable coming from the Soviet Union. 466 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you know, I mean, these these people 467 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: like you know, this is these you know, like they 468 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 1: they they wanted to leave in Scandinavia and instead they 469 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: got hey, welcome to the US, but like even worse. Yeah, 470 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: and so yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's really bad. And 471 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: you know what they getting said, is just these this 472 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: enormous wave of privatizations. H the weldfare state just vanishes, 473 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: and you know this this causes basically like total societal collapse. Um. 474 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: Like one of my one of my professors, and this 475 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: this happens basically across the whole Soviet Block one of 476 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: professions in college, and I think she was fumble Gary. Um. 477 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: She she told me about how dream the nineties like 478 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: when she when she was growing up, like she and 479 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: her family would just the only thing they had to 480 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: eat was raw millet because there's no food. There's there's 481 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: literally no food anywhere. The entire economy is collapsed. Nobody 482 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: has any money, and so you know, it was like, well, okay, everyone, 483 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: she's eating raw grain because you know that that's what 484 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: that's that's the only thing you can you can you 485 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: have to survive. And you know it's this it's it's 486 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: literally so bad that in Russia it causes the single 487 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: largest life expectant to drop in post World War Europe. 488 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: It's like like it's the life expected to decrease is 489 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: about like four years because so many people die from this. Um. 490 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: You know, and one of the one of the ways 491 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: this happens is that there's so the way they're they're 492 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: going to deal with like the state owned industry thing 493 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: is they they okay, and I've never been able to 494 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,479 Speaker 1: figure this figure out if it was like they they 495 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: actually took Murray Rothbard's plan for this, or if they 496 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: just independently developed were a roth whereas plan for for 497 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: for dissolving stated on the industries, which is give like 498 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: everyone who worked in a share of the company. And 499 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: so they do this right, and everyone has these shares, 500 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: but these shares are just like paper, and you can't 501 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: eat this paper. So a bunch of sort of like 502 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: organized crime guys and the people who have been you know, 503 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: like like the sort of the people who've been richer 504 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: or like had been sort of connected party people who 505 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: were just like I'm just gonna cash out start, you know, 506 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: just just going through cities, and they're they'll you know, 507 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: they'll be like, okay, we'll give you a pair of genes, 508 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: like we'll give you some food if you give us 509 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 1: their share, and you know, everyone people just give up 510 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: the shares. And the result of this is that like 511 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 1: just every industry in Russia immediately falls under the control 512 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: of just just like absolutely psychotic oligarchs, and you know, 513 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: the the West definitely sharing this on that this this 514 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: whole process is engineered by just a bunch of just 515 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 1: like pure neoliberal Google like Harvards, like weird Harvard grads 516 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: who gets sent into Russia and who are like, oh, 517 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna run the Russian economy and we're 518 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: gonna like fix everything, and they just just absolutely destroy it. 519 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: And you know, the West has the thing that they're 520 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're they're they're cheering on this whole process. 521 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: They have this thing about how like everyone has to 522 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: do belt tightening and you're gonna suffer for a bit 523 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: and it'll all be worth it. And meanwhile, Boris Jelson 524 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: is just completely drunk off his asked like shelling the 525 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: parliament with tanks, while like the U. S. Press is cheering, 526 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: and you know there's the sort of like you know, 527 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: the tragedy this is like it's not really like Russia 528 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: got like more free, you know, like they still they 529 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: still torture and disappeared anarchists and secret prisons, like you know, 530 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: there's there they still just like randomly assassinated political dissidence 531 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: with through increasingly bizarre, like poison bullshit. Yeah, yeah, but 532 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: you know, the big difference is that a bunch of 533 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: Harvard grads made an indescribable amount of money. Now no 534 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: one has any pensions, um, and there's there's this is 535 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: great like this is a great Russian joke from this 536 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: period that goes he's talking about the communists. Everything they 537 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: ever told us about communism was a lie, but everything 538 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: they ever told us about capitalism was absolutely true. Yeah, 539 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: that's that seems to be roughly accurate. Yeah, it's basically true. 540 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: And you know, and and the product is sort of 541 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 1: neoliberalism coming to Russia is that by by by the 542 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: end of the nineties, Russia is just literally controlled by 543 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: the mob and these sort of monsters, oligarchs. And Putin's 544 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: campaign is like I am better than the mob, and 545 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: I will bring them, I will bring the mob in, 546 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: the oligarchs under control. And this is you know, this 547 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: is how Putin takes power because and he has failed 548 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: to hold up to that probless to be fair, to 549 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: be fair, the you are significantly less likely to just 550 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: like randomly be kidnapped and ransoms. Not me, No, I 551 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: have I have wrote for a website. He does not, 552 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: like I cannot that's true. That's true. If yeah, if 553 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: you kiss off Putin, you might be held for ransom. 554 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: But it's like, you know, the number of random people 555 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: who don't do anything political, who are just like randomly 556 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: held for ransom did kind of go down a bit 557 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: and like that's all right, all right, you gotta hand 558 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: it to Putin, Okay, I give him. Yeah, well, okay. 559 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: The thing on hand to Putin is that he restored 560 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: the state's monopoly on violence. Now that's not a good 561 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: things now, but he did it. Yeah, he well, he 562 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: did it. And you know this this was the basis 563 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: of sort of because his power and political support was 564 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: that in sort of nationalism. And this is like you know, 565 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: and and there's always just the sort of liberal line 566 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: on on on Putin. He's like, oh he's an SKGB guy, 567 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: and like oh, it's still communism again, and it's like no, 568 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: like no, no, and and that this this brings me 569 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: back to the single thing that I I need everyone 570 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: to understand about near liiberalism, which is that near liberalism 571 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: does not decrease the size of the state. Like the 572 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: there there were more, there were more bureaucrats now in 573 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: the Russian State than there were under the Soviet Union. No, 574 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: and it definitely in order for it to operate, definitely 575 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: extends drastically that like the hands of the state in 576 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: terms of like like like military, police, law enforcement, like 577 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: all those things. In order to keep this weird market 578 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: driven thing alive, you need to have a lot of 579 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: like enforcement on people who don't have but both both 580 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: people who like actually make money and but most of 581 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: the people who don't make very much money. So it 582 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: increases not only like the bureaucratic state, but also like 583 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: the enforcement armor the state. Yeah, and I think there's 584 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: there's there's there's there's two interesting ways this happens. One 585 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: is that, well, okay, there's three ways happens. One is 586 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: that anytime someone says they're gonna they're gonna do deregulation, 587 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: like the deregulation does not mean that they're going to 588 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: decrease the number of regulations there are. What it means 589 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: is that the regulations are bad for this company, and 590 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: so they're they're going they're going to they're going to 591 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: add more regulations in a way that is good for 592 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: this company. And the thing is this actually this, you know, 593 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: this net increases the size of the state right there. 594 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: They're not like they're not like they're not decreasing the 595 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: number of laws or whatever. They're you know, they're they're 596 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: they're they're they're writing like incredibly like absolutely incomprehensible banking 597 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: legislation that like, let's banks charge like interest rates that 598 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: previously only organized crime could do. And then there's there's 599 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: another aspect of this, which is that, you know, so 600 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: the the welfare that remains right, you know, it becomes 601 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: means tested, and you know that means that there's so 602 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: you have the bureaucracy right that like gives you things, 603 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: and then you have another bureaucracy on top of that 604 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: that decides whether or not you should be allowed to 605 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: do the thing it puts you know, there's this this 606 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: is just just this like process of abject humiliation that 607 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 1: you have to go through to receive anything, yeah, from 608 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: the state. And it's like that sucks. And then because 609 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: that is so awful, there's another layer of bureaucracy, which 610 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: is like social workers and stuff, whose job it is, 611 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: in large part is to help you bypass the second 612 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: layer of bureaucracy, so that creates another layer. Yeah, there's 613 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 1: there's there's there's so much. Yeah it is, and but 614 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: but this is you know this, this, this is one 615 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: of the things in the ribals do, which is okay, 616 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: so you know, you you have you have, you have 617 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 1: your two doctrines. Right, you have the thing they actually believe, 618 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: which is enormous, bureaucratic, military, state, and then you have 619 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: the thing they claim to believe, which is, oh, the 620 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: state needs to be smaller, the state needs to be decentralized, 621 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: the state shouldn't interfere in the market. And so whenever, whenever, 622 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: like the things that they do get too bad, they 623 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: have this other thing they can turn to you to go, oh, yeah, 624 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: the reason there's too much bureaucracy is because the state's 625 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: getting involved too much. Elect us and we will get 626 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: rid of the bureaucracy. And then you elect them and 627 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: they make the state bigger, and you know, you get 628 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: this started, perpetual cycle. I think the reason people get 629 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: confused by this is that when when people when most 630 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: people think of the state, right, they think of the 631 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: state is something they provide services. You know that the 632 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: quintessential thing of state does is build roads roads. Yeah, 633 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: and you know, and when you know, when we can 634 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: talk about how like the US building roads probably doomed 635 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: the entire earth climate change. Oh yeah, no, like the 636 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: way that we've done roads around cars and the type 637 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: of things we make roads. Yeah, it's horrible, but yeah 638 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: it's awful. Yeah, but but there there's there's there's another 639 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: thing about roads which is interesting, which is that roads 640 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: are you know, so the original reason why states built 641 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: roads was they can move armies around. And if this 642 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: comes back to the core of what a state is, right, 643 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: there is nothing in the actual core definition of a state, 644 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: which is basically it's a higerarch couple of localized monopoly 645 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: on violence. Right, there's nothing in that that has that 646 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: like says at all the state has to do anything 647 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: for you, right like if if you know, if two 648 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,239 Speaker 1: guys with guns show up and sees a place, right, 649 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: they can create a state. They don't have to give 650 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: you anything. The state is the fundamental core of the 651 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: state is just a bunch of armed people who can 652 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: order people around. And you know, but people people sort 653 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: of can people sort of confuse the two and the 654 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: neil Isms entire thing is increasing the increasing the military. 655 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: You know that the part of the state that takes 656 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: things from you at gunpoint and decreasing the part of 657 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: the states that like gives you things. And you know, 658 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: one of one of the there's one of one of 659 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: the other things that that happens in this period is 660 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: that labor increasingly stops being about making or doing anything 661 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: and just becomes pure guard labor. So, you know, the 662 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: the the last big neliberal project that doesn't really get 663 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: talked about as a deliberal project ever, is that mass 664 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: incarceration is a deliberal project. It started under under Nixon 665 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: and under Carter. But you know, so when when Reagan 666 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: takes office that the American prison population is about three thousand. 667 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: When he leaves office, he has basically doubled it to 668 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: uh six, seven thousand. We have now more than doubled 669 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: it again. And you know it basically it you know, 670 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: when whenever you get a large ne liberal administration, they 671 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: they you know, they double it, right, it basically doubles 672 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: again drained dwen the Clinton administration. You know, it keeps accelerating, 673 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: and you know this is this is this is the 674 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: other thing that that neoliberalism brings in, which is that Okay, 675 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,280 Speaker 1: so neo liberals and produces this enormous population of people 676 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: who don't have any jobs, have no opportunities whatsoever, are 677 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: just screwed. So what do you do with them? And 678 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: the answer is slavery. And basically everywhere that you stay 679 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: u see neoliberalism. You see massive increases into prison population 680 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: espect like the US is by far the worst example 681 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: of this, but this happens. You know that the seven 682 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: is basically across the world and what what what you 683 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: see is in place of you know, it's this is 684 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:46,839 Speaker 1: this one of the things that drives politics in sort 685 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: of in rural reasons in the US, which is that 686 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: you have these places that used to sort of have 687 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,279 Speaker 1: industry is used to particularly coal mining things like that, 688 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: and it gets replaced by prisons because prisons, you know, 689 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 1: having a prison in your sort of rural town is 690 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: is the only way to sort of ensure that you 691 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: have a large economic base. And so you know, like 692 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: local local city councils are you know, incredibly pro prison 693 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: because it's like, oh, well, the president will bring your 694 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: jobs and you know this means that Okay, so so 695 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: the people a lot of people who are prison guards 696 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 1: are just you know, fascists. But there's also people who 697 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: are prison guards who normally would just be workers. Yeah no, absolutely, yeah, 698 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,879 Speaker 1: who have just been sort of but you know, there's 699 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: nothing left right and there they're fighting, you know, uh, 700 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: Mike Davis talks about this, that they're finding this just 701 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 1: incredibly desperate, ferocious struggle to like stay in the places 702 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: they love and stay with their families, and stay with 703 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: their friends, stay with their communities. And the only way 704 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: they can do this is, you know, by becoming part 705 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: of this like just the neo liberal health state. And 706 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: you know they don't like it either, but that's you know, 707 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: that's what the liberalism is, right, is you no longer 708 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 1: have a job. The only job available to you is 709 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: picking up a gun and pointing it at someone who 710 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: is exactly the same as you, except you know, they've 711 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: been thrown into the slavery part of the system instead 712 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: of the people holding the guns at the slavery part 713 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: of the system. And one of the things that that 714 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: happens a lot of people just really conflate about what 715 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,719 Speaker 1: neoliberalism is is they can use it with libertarianism and 716 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: they're not the same thing. And and this this is 717 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: a condus is a very confusing problem because well, a, 718 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,359 Speaker 1: the term nea liberals don't get used in the US 719 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,880 Speaker 1: all that much. When people use it, they usually use 720 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: it to mean something bad. And that's just about it. Yeah, yeah, 721 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: and and you know and and also another part of 722 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: the problem is that even if you go into like 723 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: the Montpellion Society, right which you know this is this 724 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: is this is the arch new liberal institution, and it's 725 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: just like basically like a think tank generator, there are 726 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: there are libertarians in there. There there are there are 727 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: narco capitalists in the Montpellion Society, and the one Pellion 728 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: Society is fighting this sort of constant internal battle between 729 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 1: the people who actually believe the things that they say publicly, 730 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: like you actually believe you should have a small state 731 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, and the people who understand 732 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: that all the small states stuff is just like stuff 733 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: you tell the masses in order to get them to 734 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: like slash welfare things while you just hire more cops. 735 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: And probably the single biggest distinction between the libertarians and 736 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: and the neo liberals is about border control. Now, if 737 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: if you listen to New Liberals on Twitter, or you 738 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: listen to Neil, or you listen to libertarians right, capitalism 739 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: is supposed to have open borders, is supposed to be 740 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: free movement to people, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Um, if you 741 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,399 Speaker 1: look at literally everything every neo liberal government has ever done, 742 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,359 Speaker 1: it's exactly the opposite. It's they don't like that. Yeah, yeah, 743 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: they hit it. And you know, the this whole thing 744 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: about like oh you need workers to uh yeah, if 745 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: if you, if you, if you let workers from other 746 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: countries go into into the US, like oh they'll they'll, 747 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: they'll decreased wages, blah blah blah blah. So the period 748 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 1: in which the US like had strong unions and strong 749 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: wages and stuff, with the period where there was like 750 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,880 Speaker 1: basically no militarization on the Mexican border. I mean there 751 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: were some and you know there there's there's there's a 752 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: build up sort of dream the Vietnam War and they're 753 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: they're there sort of been one back like around election 754 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: revolution era. But you know it's it's nothing. It's literally 755 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: nothing like it is today. Today. The US border is 756 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,840 Speaker 1: this just absolute hellscape. Um. I mean just like there's 757 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,919 Speaker 1: there's there's this enormous perimeter of the U. S border 758 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: where just the Constitution doesn't apply where like the Bill 759 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: of Rights just doesn't exist. If if if you're if you're, 760 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: if you're close enough to the border, it's just it's 761 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: all suspended. Uh, it's not entirely suspended, but like basically 762 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: the border patrol can just do whatever the funk they 763 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: want to you, and you know, like this is this, 764 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: this is this is how the border patrol was able 765 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: to be deployed in Portland, right because Portland's technically on 766 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: the border and the border patrol has increased power is 767 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:51,920 Speaker 1: there and the actual goal is so people people are 768 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: always going to move right, And what the new labels 769 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: figured out was that you know, these these these enormous 770 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 1: miket labor populations, the best way you can exploit them 771 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: as if they're just absolutely terrorized by just this, you know, 772 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:12,280 Speaker 1: an incredible sort of ferociously hostile, murderous just border regime 773 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: run by fascists, and it works, like they kill, they 774 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: kill enormous numbers of people, They do horrible things, They 775 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: put people with concentration camps, they sterilize people they like, 776 00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: they sexually assault children, they disappear people they like, still 777 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: people's babies, and this is you know, this is what 778 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 1: neoliberalism is, right, This, this is what it actually is 779 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: in practice. This is you know, like, this is the 780 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: this is the this is the policy that is imposed 781 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,880 Speaker 1: money liberal states. And I think I want to end 782 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: on that, and I want to end on a note 783 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: about what the quintessential sort of figure of neoliberalism is, 784 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: because I think, you know, in the neoliberals mind, right, 785 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: the quintessential neoliberal figure like the small entrepreneur who's like 786 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,880 Speaker 1: guy who's you know, turned their own creativity and like 787 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: harnessed it into like the ability to create value, and 788 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: you know, they're creating things in the world and they're 789 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: reaching themselves. And I think a lot of leftists think 790 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: of it as like the quintession of the liberal is 791 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, a Chicago, Chicago School of Economics person. Yeah, 792 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 1: And I want to suggest that they quit. The single 793 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: quintessential like neoliberal figure is a riot cop, and specifically 794 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: specifically that the you know, if if you know, every 795 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: everyone might now knows what a riot cop looks like. Right. 796 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: I want everyone to go back and even even from 797 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: from like two thousand one, look at what a riot 798 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: police officer looks like in two thousand one versus what 799 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,319 Speaker 1: they look like now, and then go back to even 800 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,359 Speaker 1: like the nineteen sixties and look look at look at 801 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: what those guys look like. Yeah, I know, looking at 802 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: the footage from the sixties and riot cops is really 803 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,959 Speaker 1: depressed it because they're like, I could take these guys. Yeah, 804 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: they're they're just wearing T shirts. They're just guys. It's 805 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: it's way more of a fair fight. They have T 806 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: shirts and sticks. We could have T shirts and sticks. 807 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,720 Speaker 1: That is that that's like the a arriety of the sixties. 808 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,480 Speaker 1: It sounds like now they also in some cases will 809 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,399 Speaker 1: be much more willing just to murder tons of people. 810 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,319 Speaker 1: Now there is that exception, but in like a big 811 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: street brawl, it is it is generally a bit of 812 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: a fair fight. I mean, I will say also, sixties 813 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: police love love dogs. They love like sicking dogs and people, 814 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: which is really bad. Yeah, I'm I'm looking at it, 815 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 1: looking at at the two thousand one riot cops, and yeah, 816 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: they are not nearly as robot copy. Nope, that's what 817 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: they are now. During the Chilean uprising in I was 818 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: talking to someone in Chile and they were talking about 819 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: how like they were describing it as like the cops 820 00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: were just like like something had a change, beating ninja 821 00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: turtles like it was like fighting the shredder. There. There's 822 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: even even even the l a p. D. Riot cops 823 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:08,560 Speaker 1: for the nineteen two riots. They're also still just wearing 824 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: like shirts like they just have they just have colored 825 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 1: shirts and one stick. Yeah and now versus now they're 826 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: wearing there whatever dumb armor they have. Yeah. But you know, 827 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: and this is this is you know and this, this 828 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: is this is if if you want to trace the 829 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: path in near liberalism, it's this. It's a lot of 830 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 1: the army surplus stuff that like the police have gotten 831 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:31,840 Speaker 1: a lot of. It's really scary. A lot of it 832 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: also sucks, like a lot of those a t v 833 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,520 Speaker 1: S every like everyone who's ever had to drive them 834 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: hates them. But you know, like like my my like 835 00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: absolutely tiny dinky town has a bear cat and that 836 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 1: shouldn't that shouldn't be. And I know where it is too, 837 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: Like I know where the bear cat is. It's like, 838 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: there shouldn't be a bear cat. My town is a 839 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: tax cutout, like it's it's literally a tax carve out 840 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,720 Speaker 1: like that. That's the reason that's the really recent it exists, 841 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 1: and it a bear cat and like, you know, this 842 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: is this is sort of the this is the consequence 843 00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,279 Speaker 1: of of of what ne o liiberalism, isn't it. Vicky 844 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,240 Speaker 1: uster Well talked about this on on on the Occupy episode. 845 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: It's it's the cops become more like become more like 846 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,840 Speaker 1: the army. The army becomes more like the cops, and 847 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, the the result is this sort of pen 848 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: out to con surveillance states, where like if you and 849 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: seven people stand on a sidewalk, sixteen cops will show up. Yeah, 850 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: they've they've really uh excelled in making the capitalist realism 851 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,360 Speaker 1: Dumer philosophy be almost like the base philosophy for anyone 852 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 1: who takes two seconds to think about the world that 853 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: they live in. And you know, and this has been 854 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: really effective in a lot of ways. But you know, 855 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: David Graeber point pointed this out, which is that the 856 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: problem with doing this is that, you know, okay, so 857 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,880 Speaker 1: like the the the enormous amount of guard labor, right, 858 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,759 Speaker 1: the enormous amount of sort of prison guards, Like that's 859 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: all unproductive labor, right, you know, you you you you 860 00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:04,640 Speaker 1: make you make some of that money back off the 861 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 1: companies make some of the money back off the slave labor, right, 862 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,840 Speaker 1: but like, but that in general there the guards aren't 863 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: adding anything. They're not they're not they're not producing any 864 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,279 Speaker 1: goods um and not really much service either. No, and 865 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 1: and and this is you know this this this is 866 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,800 Speaker 1: a problem right because because neoliberalism is profit driven, and 867 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: so you know, what you have is is that the 868 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,800 Speaker 1: system has a choice between either it functioning or it 869 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 1: making it appear as if it's the only system. And 870 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,439 Speaker 1: it that's the thing is that it's it's it's kind 871 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,800 Speaker 1: of profit driven. But honestly, the more that I the 872 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: more that you've been talking, like, no, it's just about 873 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,479 Speaker 1: eliminating any alternative. So it's not not even profit driven. 874 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,319 Speaker 1: It's that it's forcing itself to be the only acceptable option. Yeah, 875 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,439 Speaker 1: that's how it gets so much of its power. Yeah, 876 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 1: but but you know the problem with this is that 877 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: all of that sort of ideological coercion only last as 878 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,960 Speaker 1: long as the police can hold the streets. And which 879 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: is they're good at it there there sometimes they're decent. 880 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: You know. One of the story I want to end 881 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: on is so there's you know, there has been in 882 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: some with more varying degrees of success. There has actually 883 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: been resistance in neoliberalism, and there are places where people 884 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: have won the people. There are places where people have 885 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: run the I m f out those people. There's places 886 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: where people have you know, defeated coups where they've like 887 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, where they've where they've they've they've successfully sort 888 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,759 Speaker 1: of taken over the state. There's places where, you know, 889 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: I mean there's there's there's places like you know, we're 890 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: gonn talking about couple of things in Mexico, but yeah, 891 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean there's there's the Zapatistas who have you know, 892 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: are constantly besieged, but have carved out a territory in 893 00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 1: which they have you know, like totally defeated the Mexican 894 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: almost really defeated the Mexican state. And I think one 895 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: of the sort of forgotten incidents in in the two 896 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: thousands is this uprising in Wahaka where they, yeah, there's 897 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,440 Speaker 1: a there's an enormous sort of a bunch of teachers 898 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,520 Speaker 1: are going on strike. And you know, Wahawka's teachers unions 899 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: are enormously powerful and incredibly radical, and so you know 900 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: that they one of the things they do is that 901 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: they go into the city and they have these like 902 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: these giants started protest tents that they showed up and 903 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: they have these like giant camps and she in six 904 00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,320 Speaker 1: the police attack them, and so they start attacking and 905 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,120 Speaker 1: the and the teachers fight back, and so you have 906 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: this you know this, this this massive battle erupts um 907 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,440 Speaker 1: it's just in this city and you know this is 908 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: this is all The police attack at like three in 909 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,200 Speaker 1: the morning, right, but they can they there's not enough 910 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,640 Speaker 1: of them. The clear teachers out and the teachers hold 911 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,640 Speaker 1: and they hold and they hold, and that the city 912 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: of Wahaka wakes up to this just enormous battle in 913 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: the streets between a bunch of just like teachers and 914 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: the cops. And when Wahawka wakes up, they are just 915 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 1: like what the fuck is the us? And you know, 916 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,439 Speaker 1: they joined the teachers and they go fight the cops 917 00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:08,480 Speaker 1: and they they they're largely successful in like like they 918 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 1: beat them, they drive, they drive the police from the 919 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,880 Speaker 1: city and you know, and and for for for for 920 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,560 Speaker 1: for several months, the city is basically under the control 921 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,080 Speaker 1: of these like direct democratic councils and like they're there 922 00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 1: are these there are these things they call them mega 923 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,399 Speaker 1: marshes whire just a million people will do a march 924 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: to the streets and the police there's the police just 925 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: can't stop them because you know, there's a million people. 926 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,319 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's that's the only way that I've seen 927 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,880 Speaker 1: it be successful, whether it be you know, just to 928 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: sure sheer massive people driving cops out of a police station, 929 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: or you know, an entire city rallying behind people like 930 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: in in in Portland when the fence came, it's like 931 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 1: you need to have like everybody to show up, because 932 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: they could fight two hundred like twin canarchists, they pretty easily. 933 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: You usually, um, but when you have like all of 934 00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,840 Speaker 1: the moms and dads and regular people come up, that 935 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: is much more of a complicated of fight on like 936 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,880 Speaker 1: on on their end, because yeah, we'll still have the 937 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: teenage front liners throwing of the cops, but when you 938 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 1: have like regular people behind them, that creates the whole 939 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: media narrative and to be something totally different. And it 940 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,600 Speaker 1: got the Feds to back down in Portland when Trump 941 00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: really wanted to not happen. And I think also the 942 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: thing the thing that that was incre incredible hawk is 943 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't just people sort of like standing behind them, 944 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: like like tens of thousands of people just joined the 945 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,800 Speaker 1: fight in in a way that you know, it like 946 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: if you know, if if there's like fifty tho people 947 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 1: in a city throwing bricks at you, like you you 948 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 1: either have to start shooting into the crowd or try 949 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 1: to hold them. Can't You can't. And even when he 950 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,800 Speaker 1: started shooting into the crowd, yeah, they tried it, and 951 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 1: disaster it made it made even the crowds were larger, 952 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: and like, you know, one of the things that happens 953 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:56,360 Speaker 1: is that the the revolutionaries try to like you know, 954 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,319 Speaker 1: they go to the radio station or like okay, well 955 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,920 Speaker 1: you broadcast this radiotation says no, and they start seizing 956 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,320 Speaker 1: radio stations all over all over the city. Yeah and 957 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,719 Speaker 1: they yeah, and then you know, and then they had 958 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,160 Speaker 1: they had these they had these like bonfires at the 959 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,600 Speaker 1: edge of the city where if it's at the meets, 960 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: and like they're there's they're they're sending there, They're they're 961 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: sending radio like messages like over over the radio stations 962 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,320 Speaker 1: they've taken over from like barricade to barricade, and you know, 963 00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: eventually the police and like the like the Mexican Army 964 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,040 Speaker 1: shows up and at that point they're able to sort 965 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,200 Speaker 1: of retake the city. And there's a couple of other 966 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,160 Speaker 1: things happening in Mexico at this point that are sort 967 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,600 Speaker 1: of this is giants are left wing tied. And the 968 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 1: way that it gets stopped is that the Mexican army 969 00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: basically fully kicks off the drug war and they kill 970 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen numbers up to like eight hundred 971 00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: thousand people in ten years. They just they basically basically 972 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: genocides the indigenous population of of of Mexico. And you know, 973 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,320 Speaker 1: I think I think that's that's that's sort of a 974 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: place to leave it, because you know, more big hopeful 975 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,719 Speaker 1: note to end to the show on. Yeah, but I 976 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,319 Speaker 1: mean I think I think it is it is worth 977 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,760 Speaker 1: it is you know, it's it's it's it's worth thinking about. 978 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: Is one. It is possible to beat the police too. 979 00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: The ruling class will literally bathe the entire country in blood, 980 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,239 Speaker 1: like they will destroy their own country is different the 981 00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,279 Speaker 1: way I mean this gets discussed in the season happen here, 982 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: But like the way the American military works, I think 983 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,560 Speaker 1: it will be less likely to do that. Yeah, Well, 984 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,320 Speaker 1: I mean and I want I want to put this oi, like, 985 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,919 Speaker 1: so what the thing that the army doesn't directly murder 986 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 1: people what they do is but what they do is 987 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:43,360 Speaker 1: basically like they they set off a bunch of fighting 988 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,919 Speaker 1: between the cartels and then and the cartels fucking murder 989 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,440 Speaker 1: enormous numbers people. You know, we will happily murder each other. 990 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, well and also you know, I mean 991 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 1: it's it's also this is this is you know, the 992 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,360 Speaker 1: thing with the Mexican state. It's it's very very difficult 993 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 1: to tell where the cartels stop and where the Mexican 994 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,080 Speaker 1: Army begins because a lot of them are the same thing. 995 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:06,480 Speaker 1: And like you know, there's yeah, that's hopeful. Note to 996 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,160 Speaker 1: end on and just but just to make the ending 997 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: a bit better, I do want to say I'm no 998 00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,680 Speaker 1: longer going to call anyone uh neoliberal. I made this 999 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: joke in the group chat yesterday and nobody responded to it, 1000 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,600 Speaker 1: so it was set, So I'll say it now. I'm 1001 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,480 Speaker 1: only going they called them Thomas Anderson liberals. That that 1002 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: that that that's that is what I'm calling them now. 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