1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Ron An aian. We've got to be prepared. You know, 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: when the emergency happens, when that car gets stuck on 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: the side of the road, you may not have time 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: to find the four way flashers. You may have to 5 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: flick them on right away. It may become a matter 6 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: of life and death. And it's a huge safety risk 7 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: if you're not familiar with the vehicle. 8 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: To say no way. 9 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 3: See what car doctor? 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: I okayed the work, and then later I thought, why 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: did I do that? You know, this seemed like an 12 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: up cell. Later I probably I feel like I got 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 1: ripped off, So I thought, I'm calling the bar doctor. Yeah, 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't think I agree with them on this, Lorie. 15 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 4: Welcome to the radio home of ron Anian, the Car Doctor. 16 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 4: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 17 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 4: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 18 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: If your mechanics. 19 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 4: Giving you a busy signal, pick up the phone and 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 4: call in. The garage doors. 21 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Are opening, but I am here to take your calls 22 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: at eight five five five six oh ninety nine hundred 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: and now he. 24 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 4: Running. 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: How long can a repair actually take? Hello and welcome 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: Ronin Enny and the car Doctor eight five five five 27 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,639 Speaker 1: six zero nine nine zero zero. You've welcomed. You've entered 28 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: the land of the repair of the week. Two thousand 29 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: and six. Accurate MDX came into the shop at Ari 30 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: Automotive in January of twenty twelve with a dead battery. 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: Battery was stone dead. We replaced it two and a 32 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,199 Speaker 1: half years earlier, and we ended up putting a battery 33 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: in it. Couldn't find a drain, couldn't find a draw, 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it. Just gee, could it be a 35 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: bad new battery. Ever since three years since we did 36 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: that battery, every once in a while that car still 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,639 Speaker 1: showed up complaints of low cranking ability and poor power 38 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: when they hit the key, and just the complaints that 39 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: are reminiscent of a battery that's low on charge. One 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: bad new battery, I could buy two bad new batteries. 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: I know what new means, never ever worked, But neah, 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: come on. I was fortunate though, this week, because it 43 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: ended up on my doorstep. Matter of fact, it was 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: the Monday right after vacation. Remember that vacation I went on. 45 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: Now I know why I had to recover for this 46 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: car and it ended up on my doorstep with a 47 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: dead battery again, and after some review of the records, 48 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: because and we don't talk about that enough. You know, 49 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: part of the repair process is looking at what's been done, 50 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: and it generally gives you a direction on where you 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: have to go. I knew from this vehicle's history that 52 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: starting in two thousand and nine it had a battery 53 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: put in it. In twenty twelve, that replacement battery died, 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: and now about two and a half three years later, 55 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: it was on the verge of needing another battery. Soh 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: unless we want to believe the entire battery industry is 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: falling off the edge of a cliff, then regardless of 58 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: what battery we put in that and obviously I replaced 59 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: it with a powerframe grid technology battery because we've all 60 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: come to understand the quality and what a powerframe grid 61 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: technology battery is. I knew that I had to find 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: the source of the drain. I had to find out 63 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: why this battery was being pulled down. It was lucky 64 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: that when I first took up my AM meter, I 65 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: was reading almost a quarter amp drain. Now understand, it's 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: all about numbers, it's math when it comes to order repair, 67 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: especially with electrical stuff. In terms of a drain, fifty 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: milliams point zero five, five hundreds of an AMP is 69 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: considered okay. On a computer car, it's allowed to have 70 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: a certain amount of draw and a lot of times 71 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: when engineers sit down and calculate out, well, not a 72 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: lot of times, but all the time, when engineers sit 73 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: down and calculate out, hey, what kind of battery do 74 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: we need? And the ampower rating and all the other 75 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: electrical spec consideration for modules and load, an off key 76 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: drain are always considered as part and parcel of that. 77 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: In the case of this accurate I had way more 78 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: than five hundreds of an AMP. I had a quarter 79 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: of an AMP point twenty five. The simplest way to 80 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: find a drain, time tested, the way we've always done it, 81 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: is start pulling fuses. Well, I got lucky within the 82 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: first forty five minutes. And I say it like that 83 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: because this particular Accura had three fuse boxes. It had 84 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: two under the hood and one under the driver's side 85 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: of the dish. And I take that back, because I 86 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: still never confirmed. I think there was also one in 87 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: the passenger side kick panel that I was yet to find. 88 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: I think there was four fuse boxes in this car, 89 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: but I found the fuse I was looking for in 90 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: the second of the three fuse boxes, so I sort 91 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: of stopped there. And at that point it was just 92 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: a matter of frustration because I should have gone and 93 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: checked all the fuses. But my theory has always been, 94 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: you find one, start the game from there. It was 95 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: fuse number ten in the subfuse panel under the hood, 96 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: seven and a half AM fuse that when you read 97 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: the wiring diagram, goes right to the engine computer PCM. Wow, 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: look at that. How could that be? 99 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 5: Gee? 100 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: You know, you would think it would have a running issue, 101 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: or you would think it would just not be a 102 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: battery issue all by itself. I'm thinking to myself when 103 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: I read the diagram, it said that that particular fuse, 104 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: fuse number ten, seven and a half AM, kept the 105 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: PCM alive. It was main battery input to the PCM. 106 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: But what if the wiring diagram, now, how could this happen? 107 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: Be lying to me, what if that wasn't the only 108 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: thing on that circuit. And when you sit and look 109 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: at the diagram, it says this is it straight shots, 110 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: starts here ends here. But if you read the fine 111 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: print in the wiring diagram. It says with a magnifying glass. 112 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: Because you're an old mechanic, see diagram ten dash seventeen. 113 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: See you go to diagram ten dash seventeen. Diagram TEND 114 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: seventeen says that fuse number ten seven and a half 115 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: m under he fuse pent boks say that three times 116 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:14,799 Speaker 1: fast also goes to the tire pressure monitoring receiver. Oh goodie, 117 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: and the Bluetooth hands Free Control Link or inaccurate language, 118 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: the BTCHCL. And that's just what it said, BTHCL. That 119 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: took me thirty minutes to look up and find out 120 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: what in good God's name is a bt HCl, because 121 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: everybody must know it's a Bluetooth hands Control Link. I 122 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, okay, one by one, you gotta go 123 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: through components. Now you say to yourself as the PCM, Well, 124 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: to unplug the PCM, that's a little bit of work. 125 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: You gotta do some digging to get to it. The 126 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: easiest component to get to was the bt HfCl. I 127 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: think I said that wrong before the bh the Bluetooth 128 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: hands Free Control Link, that's right to do that. I 129 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: only had to take that down the interior puddle lights 130 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: for the by the sunroof, the sunroof control, and there 131 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,119 Speaker 1: was one more piece of trim and garnish. About thirty 132 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: five minutes later, I was there and down and I'm 133 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: looking at the twenty two pin green connector for the 134 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: Bluetooth hands free unplug. It draws gone. The bottom line 135 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: becomes that it's not the fantasy and the magic of 136 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: Oh goody, I fixed one more car with an electrical draw. 137 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: The star of this repair of the week is the 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: wiring diagrams. Wiring diagrams are so darn critical to this business, 139 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: whether you're doing it as a professional or whether you're 140 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: doing it as a weekend warrior. And God bless you 141 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: if you are. It has come to the point, and 142 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: we passed the point really and we passed this point 143 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: easily eight to ten years ago that when you're dealing 144 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: with electrical looking at the one wiring diagram for the 145 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: fuse in the case of the accurate was it was 146 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: diagrammed by number twenty three dash one, you have to 147 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: go look at ten dash seventeen. You had to go 148 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: look at ten dash six. You had to go look 149 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: at twenty three dash two. I had to look at 150 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: four different wiring diagrams to see everything that I needed 151 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: to see in that picture on a vehicle with four 152 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: fuse boxes. So the next time, the next time you 153 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: pull into your repair shop and go. You know, I 154 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: was using my cell phone adapter and the cigarette lighter 155 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: no longer works. I blew a fuse. Can you just 156 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: pop one in for me? The only thing we pop 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: in is people in the pool if they're standing too close, 158 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: and in that case you get all wet. Hello and 159 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: welcome Rod and Andy and the Car Doctor here eight 160 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. Just 161 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: another way of looking at order repair folks. That's what 162 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: this radio show is all about. And we will be 163 00:08:46,280 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: back right after this to take your calls. Don't go away, Hey, 164 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: welcome back. What are the any of the Car Doctor 165 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: rolling along this hour? Let's kick those garage doors open 166 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: and let's go and talk to Tony from Queens, New York. Tony, 167 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: welcome back to the Car Doctor, sir. Remember your car 168 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: sixty nine Mustang? How are you today and what can 169 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: we do for you. 170 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 6: Problem? I'm when shifting from first to second clutch pedals 171 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 6: sticks to the floor. Okay, I've always managed to get 172 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 6: it up. I put my toe underneath it and pop 173 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 6: it back up. But I was just wondering what the 174 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 6: possible reasons are, and I guess I'm headed for a 175 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 6: complete replacement. 176 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: Only only when you're shifting first to second, Tony, or 177 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: in general, in general, when you're using in the clutch 178 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: at all. 179 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 6: Generally, I've only had it happen shifting from first to second. Okay, 180 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 6: I think it's okay. To four it seems to be okay. 181 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 6: I mean it's the daily driver, so that could have 182 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 6: something right. 183 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: But let's let's let's let's talk about this like it 184 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: was a daily driver for a minute. All right, Okay, 185 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: we'll attack it from that angle. If this was a 186 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: daily driver, part of the conversation would be are the 187 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: mounts in good condition? Engine mounts, transmounts? And I realized 188 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: to say that to the guy with the classic Mustang 189 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: is a ridiculous comment. But just from a general education 190 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: point of view, you're always looking at mounts as the 191 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: engine sitting square, you know, because the relationship of how 192 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: the engine sits in the chassis to the linkage itself 193 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: is very critical. If anything is out of line, if 194 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: the z bar, if the fork, if anything isn't square 195 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: like it's supposed to be. It can affect clutch release 196 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: operation and clutch operation in general. So that being said, 197 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: I just want to get that off my chest. 198 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: You know. 199 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: The next thing I want to think about is, I've 200 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: got a vehicle in your case that sits a little bit. 201 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: You don't drive it every day. Do we have the 202 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: beginnings of a pressure plate that's starting to bind? And 203 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: that's possible. I've seen it where the plate itself, the 204 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: fingers itself, the plate's collapsing. The plate doesn't have the 205 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 1: proper tension on it, it can't throw back anymore, and 206 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: that could very well be why my curiosity is why 207 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: only first to second? I still think this is a 208 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: clutch issue, Tony. But what I would ask you to 209 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: try and do is from first to second, you're driving 210 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: at a certain rpm a certain load, right agreed. When 211 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: you go second to third, you've got your foot into it, 212 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: a little bit more of the engine's got less of 213 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: a load on it, and it just you've changed the environment. 214 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: I would try to drive it the same first to 215 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 1: second or from two to three as you would first 216 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: a second, if you know what I'm saying, and can 217 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: you duplicate the condition. Okay, of course this is also 218 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, maybe first to second is the only spot 219 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: you're feeling it or engaging it, and it just doesn't 220 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: happen to higher rpm because it doesn't want to. Is 221 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: the linkage intact? Is the linkage worn? Is the linkage 222 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: properly lubricated? Is you know? This is a mechanical clutch. 223 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: There's not much else here. It's either in the linkage 224 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: under the dash, the z bar itself, the fork, the mechanism, 225 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: the throwout bearing, the way it slides on the collar 226 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: of the trans although that shouldn't be first and second 227 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: gear only. And then the one common denominator that's the 228 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: most common is the plate itself is starting to fail. 229 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: How old is the clutch? 230 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 6: It's got to be about twelve twelve years. 231 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: Right, you know. And it sort of doesn't matter mileage 232 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: because if you told me five miles and twelve years, 233 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: then I'd start to think about rough spots on the 234 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: pivot point of the plate. It's and is that causing it? 235 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: The bind and fill always a possibility. 236 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 6: Right, So all right, sir, okay, all. 237 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: Right, tony, if you need me, listen, if you need me, 238 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: if you get it apart. You want you have questions, 239 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: you want to send me some pictures or something. We're 240 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: on at cardoctorshow dot com. All right, sir, you're very welcome. 241 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: You take good care. By the way, everybody for our 242 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: Car Doctor faithful out there. Next weekend. Let me just 243 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: point out real quick, Labor Day weekend. I believe that's 244 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: going to be September fifth, That Saturday, next Saturday, we 245 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: are going to be at the Sheridan Crossroads in Mahwan, 246 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: New Jersey. We're gonna be out there with the dead 247 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: Man's Curve Car Club as they put on their big 248 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: hot rod weekend for Labor Day. We're gonna be out 249 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: there Saturday two to four pm Eastern Time doing this 250 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: radio show live out in front of the hotel. We're 251 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: gonna bring the whole crew, a bunch of extras, Black's 252 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: Coming and bringing Black two two, and we're going to 253 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: be out there doing a radio show, interviewing, talking to people, 254 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: taking questions from the crowd, and in general just having 255 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: a great time. So for another Car Doctor road trip. 256 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: If you're in the area of New Jersey, here today 257 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: gone Tomawa, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yet, as I would say, 258 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: to my wife little joke, and she would hold up 259 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: her thumb and forefinger and go, yeah, real little. So 260 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: time to get back to the phone. Let's go over 261 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: to line two and talk to John two thousand Subaru 262 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: and some cooland issues. John. Aren't I a funny guy? John? 263 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: Come on now, be nice to me. 264 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're good? 265 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: All right, sir? What's going on? All right? Listen, let's 266 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: let's not get overboard here. So what can I do 267 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: for you? 268 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: Well? I have had dynastic and everything else done. But 269 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: the air freeze is sewn up the overflow bottle on 270 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: long trips. But when you let it cool down for 271 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 3: a day or two, it doesn't suck it back over okay, 272 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: and it doesn't leak it internally or externally. 273 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: All right? So are you are you physically adding coolant? 274 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: Nope? I don't even have to add coolant. I just 275 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: got to take out the overflow to put it back 276 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 3: in the radiator when it's cool. So the radiator has 277 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: any freeze in it, and it just pushes it right 278 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: back the overflow. 279 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: Okay. Two things that I've seen where subarus won't recover 280 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: from the coolant bottle, all right. One is it's either 281 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: a bad radiator cap or a bad new radiator cap, 282 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: and I've seen that more often than not. So if 283 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: you've replaced the radiator cap with something out of the 284 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: aftermarket that's not of great quality, then that's a potential problem. 285 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: And you know it's the other thing is that the 286 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: hose itself that goes into the overflow bottle is soft, 287 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: and it collapses on suction. It kind of just pulls 288 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: itself shut and it won't pull any coolant back up 289 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: the tube as the vehicle cools off. 290 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: Well, he doesn't. Isn't a collapse or nothing. I've went 291 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: through about four or five radiator caps new, okay? 292 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: And is the port? Is the port itself clear? 293 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: Yep? 294 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: All right, then you've got something that's defined the laws 295 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: of physics because regardless of what kind of car it is, 296 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: if the cooling system clean, if the if the radiator 297 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: cap is working properly, and for a better description of 298 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: what that cap is supposed to do, you'll find more 299 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: information at stant dot com. And I'm kind of hoping, well, well, 300 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm hoping you're not going to say you put a 301 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: STANT on it, but I'm hoping you go out and 302 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: try a stant cap, because I know a stant radiator 303 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: cap is going to be something of quality equivalent to 304 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: the OE and making sure that tube is clear. But 305 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: if you're using a white box radiator cap, very common 306 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: that they create this exact problem. 307 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 3: Nyick is when a time, as it's coing down, you 308 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: can turn the cap a little bit and it'll bubble 309 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: over into the overflow. You can hear the pressure of 310 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 3: it right until all the bubbles are out of the overflow. 311 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 3: But and there's no air bubbles or anything else, Well, 312 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 3: why system? It just doesn't suck back over. 313 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: Well, if it's let me ask, I don't understand something. 314 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: If the vehicle is hot and you're opening the cap 315 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: a little bit, why are we dispersing air bubbles? Where'd 316 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: the air bubbles come from? If it's if it's a 317 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: full system, it shouldn't have air in it. 318 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 3: I guess it's the pressure that's inside the radiator that 319 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 3: gives the air. I'm doing that part YEA. Other than that, 320 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 3: when it's cool down, it doesn't have no pressure or 321 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 3: air bubbles like that. Well, you can just take everything out. 322 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: Back up a second. Where'd the air come from? Back 323 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: up your theory? Explain it? To me, how does a 324 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: hot radiator develop air bubbles? 325 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 6: I don't know, Yeah, I don't. 326 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: I don't know either, because I've never seen that. If 327 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: it's if it's if. 328 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 3: It's a I've even filled up the overflow bottle and 329 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 3: filled up the radiator. So one pushed the ani freezerver 330 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: in the overflow when it got hot and on long trips, 331 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: but they just then it didn't leak it all out. Okay, 332 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: it must have pushed it out of the overflow since 333 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 3: it might have had too much, But it just stayed 334 00:17:54,440 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: where the radiator eventually ended up having an empty empty 335 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 3: as to whenever cool down, that you could put it 336 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: back over it. 337 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: Hey, John, how clean is the coolant in this car? 338 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: How clean is the cooling system? Whistle clean clean? All right, 339 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: the clock's gonna take me. The last thing I'm gonna 340 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: leave you with is a where's the air coming from? 341 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: Actually two things? A where's the air coming from? And B? 342 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: Is that overflow tube that drops down into the expansion tank? 343 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 1: Is it too long and it's clogging itself down at 344 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: the bottom of the bottle, not allowing withdrawal. I have 345 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: seen that also where the hoses stretched for some reason, 346 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: or perhaps it's been replaced. It is fifteen years old. 347 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: Some things to go and look at. Let me know 348 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: I'm running eating in the car Doctor back right after 349 00:18:40,520 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: this welcome back run naming the car Doctor going number 350 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: zero eight five five five six zero nine to nine 351 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: zero zero. Here to take your calls and answer your questions. 352 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: Real quick piece of commentary. So I had blackout last 353 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: night and kind of barreled along two eighty seven here 354 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: in New Jersey and had a grand all time. And 355 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: I want to tell the guy in the Toyota Corolla 356 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: if he's listening today. And I'm not really quite sure, 357 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: but I figured he's a car guy. That pulling up 358 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: next to a hot rod cruising down the hot road. 359 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: Hot rod cruising down the road and one hand on 360 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: the wheel and one hand using your cell phone to 361 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: videotape the car at speed is not a great idea 362 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: and does make the driver of said hot rod very 363 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: very nervous. So next time, huh uh, don't try and 364 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: keep up with me, please stay away. Let's get on 365 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: back to the phone. Let's go talk to Charlie and 366 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: I with two thousand and four Mercury Monterey and some 367 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: issues Charlie. Welcome to the car. Doctor sir, how can 368 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: I help? 369 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 2: Thank you? 370 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: Welcome? What's going on? 371 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 2: Okay? We got an old four Mercury Mara, right, the 372 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: four six engine that has a squealing noise up in 373 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: the front of the engine. And it turned out it 374 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: wasn't an alternator or a water pump and was it 375 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 2: the bank? Probably it might be a timing chain. 376 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: Okay, does this Does this engine have the cam synchronizer? 377 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: I can't really tell you on that. It's a single 378 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: cam pusher out engine. 379 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: Right, is there? Just just before you go digging anything 380 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: else apart? Always be certain if this is the four generation, 381 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: if this has the half a distributor sticking in the 382 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: intake manifold with a sensor on top that is the 383 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: cam position sensor, and it's possible in two thousand and 384 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: before they still had that. If it's a chirping noise 385 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: that sounds like a bad bearing, then I would bet 386 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: my money on that. And if you listen with a 387 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: mechanic stethoscope, you'll be more than likely to hear it 388 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: and pick them apart. But what's your what's your question 389 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: to me? 390 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, we would wonder it wouldn't be the cam 391 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: or the the timing the timing chain for that. I'm 392 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 2: looking at it here to see if I can see 393 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: a distributor that I don't see a distributor. 394 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Well, you won't see a distributor. You'll see a either 395 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: in the front of the motor or the back of 396 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: the motor. More than likely in the rear of the motor. 397 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: You will see something that looks like they took a 398 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: distributor and cut the top off and it's just going 399 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: to have a sensor on it with three wires, a 400 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: little black round sensor with two eleven thirty second bolts 401 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: holding it to the top or two eight millimeters holding 402 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 1: it to the top. And if that's the case, that 403 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: is a CAM synchronizer. And you will find that that 404 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: is more than likely the cause. If that's what we're chasing. 405 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: Okay, and this you think maybe the bearing might be 406 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 2: bad on that. 407 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's and that's a that's the case of 408 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: you replace that CAM synchronizer and actually thinking about it, 409 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: that's that that chirping. I bet it's from the front 410 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: of the engine and you're gonna find the synchronizer buried 411 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: down underneath the front wherever the uh underneath in the 412 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: area of the coil pack if I remember correctly, because 413 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: I think I think it's an I think it's in 414 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: a bad spot to get to. 415 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 2: Well, that sounds better than having to put a chain on. 416 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know. And again, so let's let's let's 417 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: prove your theory. If you think the chain is bad 418 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's squeaky, the timing chain, the timing chain 419 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: is bathed in oil. If the chain is that dry 420 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: that it's squeaky, you've got bigger problems than a timing 421 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: chain because where'd all the oil going? Why doesn't have 422 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: oil pressure protecting it? 423 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 5: Oh? 424 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So you know, let's we're gonna we're gonna 425 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: make this. Everybody's gonna have to back up their theories 426 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: today here in the car doctor. So we're gonna make 427 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: you think about it. I would, I would take a 428 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 1: very hard look for a cam synchronizer. Just imagine a 429 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: distributor cutting half. Charlie, you're looking for THEE. I see 430 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: it there, it is, okay. 431 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 2: I bet you. 432 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: If you put a long screwdriver on there, be mindful 433 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: of the fan and other moving components and listen, you know, 434 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: like we did in the old days. Listen through the 435 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: screwdriver handle. I bet you you'll hear that thing chirping like. 436 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 2: Med okay, then we can pull that out then right. 437 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: Now now, and and if that is the piece, all right, 438 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: understand that when you pull that out, you have to 439 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: be very careful because you have to index that synchronizer 440 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: back into the engine in the exact position. 441 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: All right, and then and then the housing to the 442 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: block then correct correct. 443 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: So what I what I do when I do the 444 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: synchronizers there there is a special Ford tool for this, 445 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: and each engine is a little different. I do have 446 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: the tools for most of these. When I run into 447 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: one that I don't have the synchronizer lockdown for, what 448 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: I will do is I will put I will hand 449 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: crank the engine and put the vein there is a 450 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: singular vein, all right, or an index inside that synchronizer. 451 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: I will put it in an exact spot. I will 452 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: take a magic marker. I will mark the synchronizer to 453 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: the housing, the housing to the block, so we can 454 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: only go back in. It's gotta be there, all right, right, 455 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: and at that point I haven't lost my reference. Because 456 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: if you follow procedure, Ford's gonna tell you to bring 457 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: the engine around the top dead center, and if I'm 458 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: not mistaken, you probably can't see top dead center on 459 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: that engine. It's so buried in that vehicle. 460 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 2: They'more right. 461 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: And by now on a two thousand and four. If 462 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: there were marks there, they're rusted over and they're gone. 463 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: So we're gonna make our own marks. 464 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, it does have around and sixty 465 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:47,680 Speaker 2: thousand it. 466 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so yeah, let's I'd be willing to bet 467 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: that's it, all right, sir? Will you give us a 468 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 1: call back let us know. If not, we'll keep you going. 469 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: We'll tell you what else it could be. Okay, thank you, 470 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: You're very welcome, Charlie. You take good care. By the way, 471 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: I just want to do a quick shout out to Bob. 472 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: Bob stopped by the shop yesterday. He's a regular listener 473 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: to the Car Doctor and he's been a customer for 474 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: many years. We've seen him and enjoyed having conversation, and 475 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: it was with great thrill and pride as he said 476 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: to me, Hey, Ron, you got time to clean my 477 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: cane ane air filter? I haven't had time to. He 478 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: was Infra State inspection and took it apart and It's 479 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: amazing how much debris a can ane air filter can 480 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: hold and still let the engine run. It was like 481 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: we just took the Sequoia National Forest out of Bob's 482 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: airbox and shook it out, cleaned it out, washed it 483 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: with the Cann filter cleaner, let it soak, then took 484 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: it over to the sink a little bit of warm 485 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: water and gently washed it nowhere Bob asked me, He says, hey, 486 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 1: would you do this with air now? You don't want 487 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: to disturb the filter element of the filter, washed it, 488 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: let it soak in some water, cleaned it, oiled it. 489 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: Within a half hour, everything was put back together, nice 490 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: and shiny new, freshly oiled, and down the road. So, yeah, 491 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: you know, there's one one abused air filter. And I 492 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: say that with love. Bob has just been a busy 493 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: guy the past couple of years. And imagine forgetting about 494 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: your red filter for a couple of years, and you 495 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: can clean it up and put it together and uh, 496 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: you know, away you go. So just a tip of 497 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: the hat to Cann and the folks. If you want 498 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: to see what they're all about, get out to kynefilters 499 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: dot com eight five five five six zero nine nine 500 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: zero zero. I'm running Anie in the car doctor. I'll 501 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: be back right after this. 502 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 4: A thousand dollars card heyworth another who's gone. 503 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: And got welcome back? Run an Indie in the car 504 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: doctor eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 505 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: More information about this radio show at cardoctorshow dot com. 506 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: Let's get over to Russell's Augustine, Florida. Some kind of 507 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: a lifter tap two thousand and two Chevy Avalanche Russell. 508 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor, Sure, how can I help? 509 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 5: Yeah? It doesn't show its noise until you get around 510 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 5: seventeen hundred to two thousand apm. Then you can have 511 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 5: that got cut. And I was wondering why it kicks 512 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 5: up at that IPM. 513 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you this. Any morning lights on 514 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: on the dashboard. 515 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 5: Not at all for us, like a kit okay, full power? 516 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: Oil pressure, yeah, beautiful oil pressure at idle. 517 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm falling forty five pounds of corners of the gauge. 518 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 1: All right. Two things, there is a bulletin from General Motors. 519 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: Have you seen this two O six oh oneh thirty 520 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: eight no that talks about engine lifter noise at various 521 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: RPMs for air rated oil. You probably want to get 522 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: your hands on this, all right. This talks about problems 523 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: with the O ring seal between the oil pump screen 524 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: and the oil pump itself. And one of the tests 525 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 1: the bulletin kind of walks you through it. One of 526 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: the tests is they want you to go through and 527 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: check oil pressure at a couple of different rpm ranges. 528 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: And the concern is that if oil pressure is low, 529 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: and if it doesn't show correctly on a mechanical gauge, 530 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: not the gauge on the dashboard, then there's a reasonable 531 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: chance that you have a problem with that oil pump overring. Now, 532 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: we have also seen some cases with engine sludge and 533 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: sludge clogging the oil pumper restricting, and it's also about volume. 534 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: And this just could be a plain old fashioned oil 535 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 1: starvation lifter tap issue. And you know how clean is 536 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,719 Speaker 1: the inside of the engine. We've got to have that conversation. 537 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: But if I was going to look someplace first, I 538 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: would start this diagnosis with an oil pressure test, And 539 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: if need be, get your hands on this bulletin and 540 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: take a look and follow it and start talking about 541 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: that oil pump over ring. Not an easy job. It's 542 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: a good couple of it's a Saturday afternoon and better. Uh, 543 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: been there, done that, but it's not uncommon. 544 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 5: Out the four such I highly doubt that because it's 545 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 5: I've owned it since thirty six on the clock, right, 546 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 5: and I've changed oil every three to five on it. 547 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: Okay, Then yeah, that's good. And you're using a good, 548 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: good brand, a consistent weight of oil on a regular basis. 549 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 5: Sure I am using what GM recommends W five W twenty, Okay, 550 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 5: then I. 551 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: Would, I would, I would think hard and take a 552 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: look at that bulletin because I'm gonna think it's more 553 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: than likely if it's a lifter issue. If it's a 554 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: lifter starvation, the oil's foaming, you know, does it? Does 555 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: it go away above two thousand rpm? 556 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 5: Russell, I, you're doing going down a highway at seventy 557 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 5: seventy She's turning all about seventeen hundred to two grand. 558 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 5: And I do have a duel exhaust on it with 559 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 5: a full master on it, so it sort of drowns 560 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 5: it out somewhat, but I could still hear. 561 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: It, right, you know what makes you think? And I'm 562 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna just be Devil's advocate here for a second. 563 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: What makes you think it's engine. 564 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 5: Because if I sit there, if I sit it in 565 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 5: neutral park and rev up the motor, I can I 566 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 5: can hear the motor. I can hear that noise. 567 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: Okay, no warning lights of any kind. I know, I 568 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: asked you this. I just want to be sure. No 569 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: check engine light, no engine, engine runs dead smooth, no 570 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: other issues. 571 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 5: Okay, there's bone stock except for a P and N 572 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 5: all right. 573 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: Then. 574 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 1: The only other comment I would want to make, because 575 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: obviously we're just thinking about rotating masks, is if you 576 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: were to take the belts off, start it up, and 577 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: obviously not run it long, but just run it long 578 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: enough you don't bring it up to seventeen hundred and 579 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: two grand. Wherever you hear that noise? Now, do you 580 00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: still hear that noise? If you do hear that noise, 581 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: then okay, it's it's not alternator, it's not water pump, 582 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: it's not AC compressor, and so forth. And you know, 583 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: start thinking about oil pressure and doing an oil pressure 584 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: test and possibly that oil pump overring. 585 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 5: And obviously I don't. I'm going by the factory gauge 586 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 5: I have knock called the mechanical gauge. 587 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: Did you get that bulletin number that I gave you? 588 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: Yes, I did. 589 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, get a look at that. And if you 590 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: need any more information Ron at cardoctorshow dot com shoot 591 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: me an email. All right, thanks a lot, You're very welcome, 592 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: Good luck to you, very important. You know it's it's 593 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: it's always back to the basics. I also had another 594 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: conversation I wanted to bring up here, but you know what, 595 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: let me, let me just tell this quick story. So 596 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 1: I went to a cruise night last night. I have 597 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: to tell this because this is really starting it. Where 598 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: is it written that? And I could understand this. I 599 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: took the hot route over to Booton up here in 600 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: North Jersey and we were over there at the Walmart 601 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: park a lot, and I couldn't get over the fact 602 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 1: that people are fascinated with the fact that the car 603 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: hasn't inspect sticker on it. It just boggled my mind. 604 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: I had three, four, maybe five questions, why do you 605 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: have an inspection sticker on it? Well, because it's registered 606 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: in New Jersey and it needs an inspection. Why don't 607 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: you put QQS on it? I don't want to put 608 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: QQS on it? Why not. I don't know. It's my car, 609 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: it's America. I thought this is the way I would 610 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: do it. I'd rather have a vehicle that's inspected, and 611 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, to me, that's just the way I wanted 612 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: to do it. What difference does it make? What is 613 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: it with people that it really bothers them that you 614 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: drive and build your car your way and not to 615 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: what they want. I don't understand that. And to the 616 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: guy that came out to me and he said, you know, 617 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: it's a nice car, but if it were mine, I 618 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: wouldn't put the hood scoop on it. I wouldn't put 619 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: the rollbar in it, and I changed the wheels and tires. 620 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to repeat what I said to you. Well, 621 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: then I'm glad it's not yours, because this is the 622 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: way I did mine. Let me know when yours comes out. 623 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: I want to see how good that looks. Eight five 624 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zero running any 625 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 1: in the car, doctor, I'll be back right after this, 626 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: just taking in the track. Welcome back right on, any 627 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: in the car doctor. Eighty five five five six zero 628 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero. By the way, that's the car 629 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: Doctor's twenty four to seven number. If you call eight 630 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero anytime 631 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: day or night. This radio show is broadcast two to 632 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: four pm Eastern Time over our network to the affiliates. 633 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: And if they're on a delay broadcast. If you're in 634 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: a part of the country that you know can't listen 635 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: to the show live and you're getting it on delay, 636 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: you're listening to it on podcast. And for those of 637 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: you in New York, by the way, I should point 638 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: back out, I should point out that we are back 639 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 1: on in New York live on AM seventeen hundred WRCR, 640 00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: so you can tune us in live there Saturdays to 641 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: four pm. But my point is that eight five five 642 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: five six zero nine nine zero zero is a twenty 643 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: four to seven service. You can call that number, leave 644 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: a message in fast Harry or executive producer. We'll call 645 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: you back. Going back to the cruise, I just want 646 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,719 Speaker 1: to get this off my chest. So what I want 647 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: everybody to do is next week, here's the deal. Next week, 648 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,240 Speaker 1: I want everybody to show up and you be the judge. 649 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,719 Speaker 1: Should the hot rod have an inspection sticker? Yes or no? 650 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 1: Should I put QQS on it? Or should I leave 651 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: it the way it is right now, with a legal 652 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: New Jersey inspection sticker and a regular set of license plates. 653 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: Let's get oh explain. A QQ a QQ plate in 654 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: New Jersey means it's an antique anything. I think it's 655 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: twenty five years or older. They feel like it's not 656 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: an everyday driver, so you don't need to go through inspection. 657 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: And my way of thinking is since the hot robber 658 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: had passed inspection, I mean, how else can I say this? 659 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: If you're driving down the road in a black fifty 660 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 1: five Chevy with a hood scoop, big tires and loud exhaust, 661 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of get everybody's attention, and sometimes 662 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: you get the attention of the boys in blue, and 663 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: some of them aren't so understanding. And if that vehicle 664 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: has an inspection sticker on it, it kind of makes 665 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: everybody happy. So I'm just out there trying to keep 666 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: the peace and stay out of the limelight if that's possible. 667 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of a that's probably not really 668 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: correct driving a black fifty five with loud exhausting a 669 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: hood scoop and some looks like American graffiti, But beside 670 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 1: the point, so come on out to the Sheridan Mahwah 671 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 1: next weekend at the dead Man's Curve Wild hot Rod Party, 672 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: and you guys be the judge that will be parked 673 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: right next to me under the watchful eye of Daniel. 674 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: Soon he'll be with me to he's playing security on 675 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: the car next week. But should be a great and 676 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: a good time for one and all. Hey, there's another 677 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: hour of Car Doctor and coming up next for those 678 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: of you that are lucky enough to get it. But 679 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: I can see by the hands of the Great Vivog 680 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 1: this one has come and gone till the next time. 681 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm on an ay in the Car Doctor, reminding you 682 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 683 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 4: See ya 684 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: As supporting to