Speaker 1: Like who is more mysterious? You were Ernie Adams, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know. That's Bill can't. You can't
Speaker 1: give me the Patriot technique. You can't just lean on
Speaker 1: ask coach, can't. This is something we used to get
Speaker 1: taught all the time. If you got flustered with the
Speaker 1: question with the media, Bill would always say, just bring
Speaker 1: it back to me.
Speaker 2: Just just tell him to ask me, because they've already
Speaker 2: asked already.
Speaker 1: They've already asked already. Today we have a very special guest.
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick's right hand man.
Speaker 2: He's Bill Belichick's right hand.
Speaker 1: Man, man of mystery. But anyone who played for the
Speaker 1: Patriots new bearers.
Speaker 4: He knows where the buyser. Barry the guy who knows
Speaker 4: where everything is, everything's up to, but you don't know
Speaker 4: who he is.
Speaker 1: By design, No, by design everything to do with any
Speaker 1: kind of operation.
Speaker 2: Bears was there.
Speaker 1: Former Patriots Director of Football Ops slash head coach administration,
Speaker 1: Bears Nagerian.
Speaker 2: The coaches I've worked under, pat Riley, Bill Parcells, Jef
Speaker 2: Van Gundy, Bill Belichick, Bill O'Bryan, Like, I'm doing all right?
Speaker 1: So are you the coach whisper? Are you the coach,
Speaker 1: whisper or bears. Now we are going over the Tuna
Speaker 1: Bowl Jets versus Patriots, Week three, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: And this one has massive storylines. The year before Hatriots
Speaker 2: Super Bowl loser, and this game was just off the
Speaker 2: chartist hype due to a lot of circumstances center me
Speaker 2: around the man they called Tuna.
Speaker 1: So what's the misconception of building you know?
Speaker 2: With Bill?
Speaker 1: Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to
Speaker 1: Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler,
Speaker 1: and we are on a mission to find the greatest
Speaker 1: game of all time. This is another Games with Names
Speaker 1: Boston edition episode. Feels great to be back in the
Speaker 1: town back baby. It's always great to be back in
Speaker 1: this town. I act like the Bay back baby baby.
Speaker 1: Where anytime I come back here, I live in La now,
Speaker 1: and when I go on a trip or something, I
Speaker 1: go back to LA. It's starting to feel home, you know.
Speaker 1: I with my new routine everything, but anytime I come
Speaker 1: back to Boston, I go to my condo or my place.
Speaker 2: This feels like home. It's home.
Speaker 1: So many great memories, so many unbelievable people that I've
Speaker 1: met that have been pivotal parts of my life and career.
Speaker 1: It's just great to be back. And today we are
Speaker 1: covering the Tuna Bowl from Week three of the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven season with former Patriots Director of Football Ops
Speaker 1: Slash head Coach Administration Slash instagram Sifting and current chief
Speaker 1: of staff for Boston College Football Bears, Nigerian Man of Mystery,
Speaker 1: Man of mystery. But we all anyone who played for
Speaker 1: the Patriots New Bears. He was like, he was kind
Speaker 1: of like, who's the sidekick to the principal system principle?
Speaker 1: He's kind of assistant principle, not really because he didn't
Speaker 1: have that one.
Speaker 4: When people ask him, I'm saying, he knows where the
Speaker 4: buyers are buried. He's the guy who knows where everything is.
Speaker 4: Everything's up to that's ugged in, but you don't know
Speaker 4: who he is.
Speaker 2: By design, it's a big at.
Speaker 1: He's a buffer. He's the buffer.
Speaker 5: He's seen a lot of thing. You've seen a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff go down, seeing a lot of great football,
Speaker 5: been part of a lot of great football, built dynasties.
Speaker 4: With Bills just texted me that he's Smithers.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say is that a mister Burne
Speaker 5: Smithers tye.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he's cooler than Smithers.
Speaker 2: Could be.
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good little uh across the
Speaker 1: the way from ol the Soft.
Speaker 5: Swiss Soft don't miss baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great interview.
Speaker 1: That's a great interview. This is an insane interview. We
Speaker 1: get into talking about being Bill Belichick's right hand man.
Speaker 1: Still Is I think still Is kind of feels like
Speaker 1: it even though he works for Billy Oh and he's
Speaker 1: Billy O's right here man at Boston College. The drama
Speaker 1: between Parcels and the Patriots back in the day.
Speaker 2: A lot of drama, A lot.
Speaker 5: Of drama, jumping ship, bad blood, rematch, revenge, Hatesvitz Jets,
Speaker 5: Pattatriots Jets, full soap opera, and all the behind the
Speaker 5: scenes things.
Speaker 2: It took to build a dynasty.
Speaker 1: A lot of hard work, a lot of hard work,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, not just the team, not
Speaker 1: just the coaches, but the people like the people like Bears.
Speaker 2: And then we get into wrapping it up with the
Speaker 2: old hot line.
Speaker 5: Love it got some good calls this week. Let's go
Speaker 5: get in.
Speaker 1: Come on September fourteenth, nineteen ninety seven, Foxboro Stadium, Foxboro, Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: Bill Parcells returns to New England for the first time
Speaker 2: after leading to them to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: But this Sunday night soap opera won't be settled in regulation.
Speaker 2: This is the tune.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: That was awesome. Welcome to Games with Names.
Speaker 1: And today we have a very special guest. We have
Speaker 1: Bears Nigerian joining us here in the nuthouse, Boston version,
Speaker 1: Boston version. Welcome to the studio, Jewels, great to be here.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable. Is it unbelievable? Yeah? It is. I mean we're
Speaker 2: together hours and hours and years in like a hallway
Speaker 2: or an office or a locker room or field, and
Speaker 2: that we're sitting in here in your studio, on your set.
Speaker 2: This is my house. This isn't a studio or a set.
Speaker 2: This is this.
Speaker 1: We do this in the real places that we live
Speaker 1: because we want real conversations. And I just hope that
Speaker 1: the world gets a real conversation from the Bears, the myth,
Speaker 1: the man.
Speaker 2: The legend.
Speaker 1: Now we are going over the tunabwl Woo Jets versus Patriots,
Speaker 1: Week three, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Why this game, Bears, This is a big game man
Speaker 2: for so many reasons. It's a huge game. You know,
Speaker 2: this game, this is one of the most hype games ever,
Speaker 2: every regular season games, I swear like regular season games
Speaker 2: to that point. It's one of the most hype games ever.
Speaker 2: And I was I was actually part of it. I
Speaker 2: think most people by this point might think of me
Speaker 2: as a Patriot, as they should twenty four.
Speaker 1: Years as Robert Craff said, we are all Patriots.
Speaker 2: We are for sure. But before I was a Patriot,
Speaker 2: I was a jet And that was actually a jet
Speaker 2: Week three, nineteen ninety seven for the Tuna Bowl, and
Speaker 2: this game was just off the charts hype due to
Speaker 2: a lot of circumstances center around the man they called
Speaker 2: Tuna Bill Parcells. Yeah, there are numerous players, great players,
Speaker 2: Patriot Hall of famers, Pro Football Hall of famers, in
Speaker 2: this game. There was this There was a lot of
Speaker 2: emotion going into this game and during this game before
Speaker 2: a lot of other things happened in the years to come,
Speaker 2: but this is really a milestone event before social media. Nowadays,
Speaker 2: social media is what hypes games, right, Twitter, Instagram, all
Speaker 2: these things. There's social media and it's off the charts.
Speaker 2: But then there was no social media. There was barely
Speaker 2: on the internet. It's barely on the internet in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven. So games were hyped by splashy headlines and
Speaker 2: newspapers and sports talk radio, which were live in humming
Speaker 2: in New York and Boston at the time.
Speaker 1: Humming, Yeah, is this the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 2: Bears, No, it's not the greatest of all time. I
Speaker 2: can't say that. I can't say it. I'm just saying that.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of guests. Yeah, I mean I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't sit here and break down a bunch of
Speaker 2: plays and do exces, and but I can do themes
Speaker 2: and storylines, and this one has massive storylines. The year before,
Speaker 2: Patriots Super Bowl loser is Tuna in Is He's out.
Speaker 2: He's out, and there's a lot of fallout that came
Speaker 2: with that. As people know the men's beloved in New York.
Speaker 2: He was beloved here as Patriots coach, went to the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. But then he leaves and it's not all good.
Speaker 2: There's some venom toward him. There's a lot of hype
Speaker 2: in the media and week three, here we are the
Speaker 2: next season, the very next season, coming off of Super
Speaker 2: Bowl year, the Jets are coming off of a one
Speaker 2: in fifteen season. But there's a lot of excitement, optimism
Speaker 2: with the rival of Bill Parcells and his staff and
Speaker 2: the people in Foxboro. Man, you know, like they were
Speaker 2: ready for this game, a night game. There weren't that
Speaker 2: many night games in Foxborough leading up to that. I
Speaker 2: don't know how many, but I don't think there were
Speaker 2: a lot of night games even in that stadium. And
Speaker 2: the fans were ready to go, ready to go, fueled up,
Speaker 2: egging busses like not one or two, I mean like
Speaker 2: egging buses.
Speaker 1: This is back when fans could be fans. This is
Speaker 1: back when fans could be fans. Jack Eggs on the bus.
Speaker 5: It is in Jellette either, this is in Jellette. It
Speaker 5: was old Boxborough st sixty thousand plus.
Speaker 2: Sixty thousand plus right, I'm.
Speaker 5: Going back and watching this tape. There was a world,
Speaker 5: it felt like a bizarro world where the NFL Sunday
Speaker 5: Night Football was on TNT TNT and Craig Sager was
Speaker 5: on the sidelines of a football game and Vern Lndquist
Speaker 5: was up in the booth for T and T with
Speaker 5: Mark Man.
Speaker 2: It was wild.
Speaker 5: It was a ninety seven football I love it.
Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: This is when football was football. All Right, we'll dive
Speaker 1: into that bear.
Speaker 2: We'll get back to the game. But it is a
Speaker 2: cool game. Oh, it's amazing. We're gonna get to the game. Okay,
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to the game, because that's kind of
Speaker 2: why we're here, right, No, that we're here to talk
Speaker 2: about this game.
Speaker 1: All the reason why we're here.
Speaker 2: All the reasons. But what's life looking like for you
Speaker 2: right now? Good? It's going great. You know at Boston
Speaker 2: college's been there like four months now. It's very interesting.
Speaker 2: Let's say some things are very similar, you know, like
Speaker 2: football's football, and if you walk into a Bill O'Brien
Speaker 2: team meeting or Bill O'Brien staff meeting, you're hearing a
Speaker 2: lot of Bill Belichick themes, philosophies, but with a different
Speaker 2: with a different twist. They have very different personalities for sure,
Speaker 2: but at its core there's some similarities there. But b
Speaker 2: C is a great place. He knows what he's doing
Speaker 2: and it'll be it's good to be at a place
Speaker 2: with an identity. BC has an identity, knows what it's
Speaker 2: what it is that education and building the whole person
Speaker 2: and playing good football given to the community and like
Speaker 2: that's what he's about. It's a great fit with him.
Speaker 2: It's a great fit with me to be with him,
Speaker 2: because you know, I know the guy so well. Great
Speaker 2: think about this I've been and we go back to it.
Speaker 2: But the coaches I've worked under, and we can go
Speaker 2: back to the next, pat Riley, Bill Parcells, well, Jeff
Speaker 2: fun Jeff Fan Gundy. I think Bill Parcells, Bill Belichick,
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien, like, I'm doing all right?
Speaker 1: So are you the coach whisper Are you the coach
Speaker 1: whisperer bears?
Speaker 2: No, No, I wouldn't say that. I'm just just trying
Speaker 2: to help out man.
Speaker 1: Like who is more mysterious?
Speaker 5: You were?
Speaker 2: Ernie Adams, I don't know. I don't know. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't know that's Bill or Bill. Oh you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't give me the patriot technique. You can't just
Speaker 1: lean on ask coach.
Speaker 3: Can't.
Speaker 2: This is something we used to get taught all the time.
Speaker 1: If you got flustered with the question with the media,
Speaker 1: Bill would always say, just bring it back to me.
Speaker 2: Just just tell him to ask me, because they've already
Speaker 2: asked already.
Speaker 1: They've already asked already.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know. I mean maybe I am a
Speaker 2: little bit. I don't go out there. I mean maybe
Speaker 2: other than now and talk about myself and what I
Speaker 2: do is the people. No one knows.
Speaker 1: And that's why we wanted to bring you in here
Speaker 1: because it's it's like it's because of people like you
Speaker 1: that people outside the building don't really realize how much
Speaker 1: of a team sport winning in an organization is. It's
Speaker 1: not just about the players and the coaches. It's about
Speaker 1: the people, the operations and people. It's about the facility people.
Speaker 1: It's about the equipment, equipment for sure, it's about the
Speaker 1: training staff. And that's what we want to have you
Speaker 1: on here. Can you tell the people what your role
Speaker 1: was with the Patriots?
Speaker 2: I mean there are a lot of specifical what was
Speaker 2: the actual title? And then we can get in what
Speaker 2: your role it was kind of lengthy director of football
Speaker 2: slash head coach administration. Okay, you know what that means.
Speaker 2: It means that I help him. What it doesn't mean
Speaker 2: is I don't coach players.
Speaker 5: You know that.
Speaker 2: I never coached you, never talked to you about your
Speaker 2: technique or a route or whatever defense. So I don't
Speaker 2: do that. We can eliminate that I don't do. I
Speaker 2: don't do treatments on players.
Speaker 1: But mental treatment. You gave me mental treatment barriers when
Speaker 1: I needed it. Sometimes I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Keep going. But you know, he's involved. He is responsible
Speaker 2: for a lot of stuff, a lot like Honestly, I
Speaker 2: think about sometimes, like who in the NFL, other than
Speaker 2: maybe the commissioner, like handle more than him. You know,
Speaker 2: every contract, every play, every higher and every whatever. Dealing
Speaker 2: with lots of things. So when he was at Cleveland,
Speaker 2: I think he took you know, all that on himself,
Speaker 2: like everything, and then when he realized second time around,
Speaker 2: like he doesn't need to do all that, like give
Speaker 2: all that's a lot of that to somebody else to
Speaker 2: handle all the other shit, as he put it, So
Speaker 2: stuff that's important, you know, all the operational things, like
Speaker 2: you know, making sure travel is right the way he
Speaker 2: wants it, making sure you know, everybody's on the same
Speaker 2: page with whatever the schedule or how we're going to
Speaker 2: handle some event that's coming up, or what's really important
Speaker 2: at the Patriots organization is as good as it is
Speaker 2: on the field, it's very sophisticated and accomplished off the
Speaker 2: field with business things and sponsorships and pr and all
Speaker 2: those things. Like it's elite, so the football team has
Speaker 2: a part in that. So I was kind of the
Speaker 2: go between and a lot of those things like fulfilling
Speaker 2: obligation to a corporate partner and we need players you've
Speaker 2: been in allow all those things. So a lot of
Speaker 2: that would go through me, and he don't want to
Speaker 2: really deal with that stuff, but we got to make
Speaker 2: it happen. We got to make it work. So like
Speaker 2: picking an event that you did through the club, and
Speaker 2: I was probably involved in it somewhere along the line.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of things with access to the team,
Speaker 2: which is very important, you know, showing behind the scenes
Speaker 2: things which we didn't do every day, but we did
Speaker 2: a fair amount over the years. Like we did like
Speaker 2: that's got to go through somebody between me and Stacy James,
Speaker 2: and you know, we would get in there, we'd see
Speaker 2: the footage and I, let's use this, that looks good whatever,
Speaker 2: and like that's like a weekly basis during the season.
Speaker 1: So you feel you had a lot of hats, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had a lot.
Speaker 2: Of hats, which is blig lessing for me because it
Speaker 2: allowed me to interact with a lot of people a lot.
Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't like just doing sitting at my
Speaker 2: desk doing one thing. I was working with everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was. Bears was with everyone. He was
Speaker 1: in every meeting. He was the first person you saw
Speaker 1: when you walk through the door because his office was
Speaker 1: at the entrance, and you know, you would see Bears.
Speaker 1: He probably just came in from his seventeen mile run
Speaker 1: in the morning.
Speaker 2: Always running. The guy's in elite shape.
Speaker 1: And then he'd be handing out red scheduled like everything
Speaker 1: to do with any kind of operation, Bears was there.
Speaker 2: Now. Can you what was like the most taxing day
Speaker 2: for you for work? Yeah? What was it like? Because
Speaker 2: you know, like Tuesday's players day off.
Speaker 1: Our Thursday was always an elite tax day for the
Speaker 1: player because it was third down. It was our last
Speaker 1: day of practice. Fast Fridays the next day you travel
Speaker 1: on Saturday. What was your most taxing day that you
Speaker 1: like had to use all that brain power.
Speaker 2: Definitely Monday and tuesdays during the season for sure. Probably Monday,
Speaker 2: because you know, you come in and I like to
Speaker 2: watch the game, the TV copy of the game. Like
Speaker 2: by the end of Monday, I'd like to have watched
Speaker 2: that just to kind of see, you know, what the
Speaker 2: world is seeing. You know what's me? Is it a
Speaker 2: signed or you did that on personal You know, with
Speaker 2: Bill over the years, there are a lot of things
Speaker 2: that were assigned that he expected and he asked for.
Speaker 2: But there are also things that I just kind of
Speaker 2: did that and gave you worked proactively, not reactively. A
Speaker 2: lot of times I did.
Speaker 1: And Sam, you hear that, Sam, see you around corners,
Speaker 1: Sam Man.
Speaker 2: So I would you know, out of watching the game,
Speaker 2: maybe I would say hey, Bill or write it down
Speaker 2: and it to him. A few things that came out
Speaker 2: of that. You know, Okay, that's good for him to know.
Speaker 2: Then he wouldn't have otherwise known like what, here's what,
Speaker 2: here's something the announcers said that their coaches said about us.
Speaker 2: You know, we won the football.
Speaker 1: Look you say something to the media, I'll fucking tell you
Speaker 1: the game plan.
Speaker 2: You know what, Sometimes they do sometimes they do they
Speaker 2: or if you build it over the course of a
Speaker 2: whole season, going back to training camp, like you know
Speaker 2: a lot of guys are open, so you know it's
Speaker 2: not like the entire game plan and you know, one comment,
Speaker 2: but over the course of like ten games, you might
Speaker 2: get some themes which everything's logged. Yeah. Sure, you know,
Speaker 2: if we won, if we won a ball game, which
Speaker 2: you know, we won a lot of ball games, they're
Speaker 2: gonna be game ball winners. They're gonna be quotes on
Speaker 2: the they're gonna be I do know. No, I don't
Speaker 2: game I take that. No, I didn't say I gave
Speaker 2: game balls. But game ball winners get pictures on a wall. Okay, pictures,
Speaker 2: so not it's not all me, but it starts with
Speaker 2: the photographers that Dave Silverman's and those guys, and you
Speaker 2: know right there, like they take thousands of photos during
Speaker 2: a game. Well those kind of get filtered down.
Speaker 1: Filter, you filter them every you go through every photo.
Speaker 2: And now our stuff, I might go through like sixty
Speaker 2: to get to the twenty two or so that we
Speaker 2: put up, you know what I mean. And for the
Speaker 2: so you know, sometimes there was some backlash on that,
Speaker 2: like where's my picture?
Speaker 1: I used to get this all the time for the listener.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, you'd walk in every week after a victory
Speaker 1: and we'd have highlighted pictures throughout the facility of that
Speaker 1: week's game. A big play moment, a big block, a
Speaker 1: big touchdown, the lineman celebrating in the end zone, something
Speaker 1: that you know, basically showed what we did in that
Speaker 1: week's game. And you know, you walk in and we
Speaker 1: all knew.
Speaker 2: Bears picked the photos. We all knew Bears picked the photos.
Speaker 1: There's there's a line of guys, but Bears was a
Speaker 1: lead and sometimes you know, you go in there like
Speaker 1: for US players to have your picture on the wall,
Speaker 1: At least for me, I loved it, like you wanted
Speaker 1: to go in. That means they recognized you or what
Speaker 1: you did in the game as something of some importance.
Speaker 2: And that's all we were trying.
Speaker 1: To do there is just try to get a little
Speaker 1: something nice out of you know coach, you know, because
Speaker 1: he was very stickler. He was hard on you, but
Speaker 1: he needed that. But that was his way of showing appreciation.
Speaker 1: So Bears was at the forefront of that. So if
Speaker 1: you know, you go in after a game and you
Speaker 1: look at it. I'd walk through all every hall, I'd
Speaker 1: walk through every hall, I see, I bet Bears, where
Speaker 1: the fu's my photo?
Speaker 2: Right? Did you have? Were there any other guys like
Speaker 2: that or a lot of times it was you get
Speaker 2: it from Andrew. Sometimes old lineman. You know they oh god,
Speaker 2: they but a lot of times, you know you think
Speaker 2: that old lineman like they don't really want that right,
Speaker 2: but you know some of them did. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: just the photos too. We had a we had an
Speaker 2: award called Hatred of the Week, which wasn't necessarily the
Speaker 2: guy who scored it, winning touchdown or made you know,
Speaker 2: interceptions or whatever. It was a guy who overcame some
Speaker 2: adversity or did something extra, like more of a you know,
Speaker 2: great teammate type of one award, and there would be
Speaker 2: a little comment or a little blurb on you know
Speaker 2: what it was. He dealt with an injury, or he
Speaker 2: played like six positions and you know, in the game,
Speaker 2: or it was ready to go, or had you know,
Speaker 2: some family situation, and so that would be a decision.
Speaker 2: There's also like that that big portrait on the wall
Speaker 2: that there would be the score of the game, the opponent,
Speaker 2: and then a little a little one liner there. It
Speaker 2: might follow up something that he talked about during the week.
Speaker 2: Are you coming up through all those ones? Are you
Speaker 2: are you? I would well, in the end, in the
Speaker 2: end he would look at it, but I would like
Speaker 2: that would be part of Monday, think about, right, what
Speaker 2: are we gonna do? And you know, give it to
Speaker 2: him And most of them were like, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: Or sometimes I won't say say this too. That was
Speaker 2: a press conference, is a team meeting? You know, I
Speaker 2: would a lot of times give him a thoughts on
Speaker 2: things to say to the team. You know, something was
Speaker 2: handled well. Or here's something we talked about last week,
Speaker 2: and maybe you didn't really remember exactly what it was,
Speaker 2: but here are the three things we said. All right.
Speaker 2: Here they were we talked about this, it happened, talk
Speaker 2: about this didn't happen. You know, Wow, how many hours
Speaker 2: do you think you put in a week?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, I don't know. You know, early
Speaker 2: in my career I was, uh, I was kind of
Speaker 2: paranoid about leaving, like you don't want to leave, you
Speaker 2: don't want to leave. But later on I got you know,
Speaker 2: I got kids and whatever I would leave, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, so it's too by the day,
Speaker 2: like every morning I'm in by whatever six or something
Speaker 2: like that, go for a run and then whenever that
Speaker 2: then we go. Mondays leave around eight thirty Tuesdays leave
Speaker 2: around eight thirty nine. Wednesdays, eight thirty Thursdays somewhere in there,
Speaker 2: and then Friday Friday. It's like five or so so
Speaker 2: total a of them. Whatever that is, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of hours hours. Tell you what, though,
Speaker 2: there wasn't a day, not one day twenty four years
Speaker 2: driving up to that place was and I thought, no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here today. That never happened, Jesus.
Speaker 2: I used to think that everything after we doubt that.
Speaker 2: After weeked, I doubt that, well after week eight. It hurts.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there. What the fuck am I thinking about?
Speaker 2: You're still the first guy in somehow.
Speaker 1: So Scarnakio was. I tried to beat the rookie my
Speaker 1: rookie year. I beat him once. He was like three
Speaker 1: forty five. I just wanted to see if I could
Speaker 1: beat Scarnakia.
Speaker 2: He was probably got it in at three forty didn't
Speaker 2: he get in like four or something. He's probably stick
Speaker 2: that day.
Speaker 1: Bears, What was your most obscure task?
Speaker 2: The most obscure task? I mean, Bill had some needs
Speaker 2: on a road now, like he wants his office. Like
Speaker 2: it's not like on the road, like we don't just
Speaker 2: go to a hotel. I think some teams, like they
Speaker 2: go on the road, they show up, they might meet,
Speaker 2: they might not. They go out to dinner, go to bed,
Speaker 2: get up and go play. It's not like that at
Speaker 2: the Patriot. No, you know, you get there and then
Speaker 2: we're like scrambling at the hotel to recreate our offices
Speaker 2: at Gillette Stadium, especially if it's not a one night stay,
Speaker 2: for the two nights stay or a week long stay.
Speaker 2: Like you're in your office, like you have the ball
Speaker 2: you have a ballroom where it's chopped up, and then
Speaker 2: there are different spots in the hotel that you turn
Speaker 2: into an office. So Bill's office has got to be
Speaker 2: like it's got to be detailed, obviously, the work space,
Speaker 2: the screen, the treadmill, the place to hang closed, the
Speaker 2: iced tea. The So Bill's not a coffee Guy's a
Speaker 2: nice tea guy. Right, Bill's not a coffee guy at all,
Speaker 2: thinks iced tea? Yeah sweet, it's unsweetened lemon. You know.
Speaker 5: So you're telling me Bill is not just sitting in
Speaker 5: the corner at the little desk with the with the
Speaker 5: Bible and the little pad like doing his work there.
Speaker 5: Not at all.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you might not even get to that
Speaker 2: you might even get to that room until you know,
Speaker 2: four hours after we arrive, you know, after going meeting
Speaker 2: with the media, work meeting with the staff, meet with
Speaker 2: the coaches, and meet with the scouts after that, and
Speaker 2: then and then eventually get to the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like people don't like we'd all have like a
Speaker 1: two hour like hour break before meetings started or treatment started.
Speaker 1: When you get to the the hotel of the away
Speaker 1: game and you know, we'd have some time downtime where
Speaker 1: we can go change, get out of the suit because
Speaker 1: you had to wear a suit during travel. Bill had
Speaker 1: be in that goddamn suit until about ten thirty at night.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, lose tige and all.
Speaker 2: You know, his feet had to hurt. Man. You know
Speaker 2: what's it? Didn't you guys use to have weight challenges
Speaker 2: we did. That was pretty good. That was at the Jets.
Speaker 2: That was that started at the Jets at least. Yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody had had a goal. This was serious too. There
Speaker 2: was the contracts involved. There were there were sabotage. There,
Speaker 2: there was sabotage. There would be like and Bill did this,
Speaker 2: uh he would put it was like maybe six or
Speaker 2: seven of us, like you know, trying to lose different
Speaker 2: amounts away Like I wasn't trying to lose that much,
Speaker 2: but whatever, but I was in it. But he would
Speaker 2: put he would put like a slice of pizza in
Speaker 2: someone's desk drawer or some cookies in there. The you
Speaker 2: know when the weigh ins are about to come up,
Speaker 2: and there were penalties about it if you try to
Speaker 2: tamper with a scale, which that happened. This was prey Dope,
Speaker 2: pre dayball. This was this was Mike, Mike Tannemoum, Scott Pioli,
Speaker 2: Charlie Weiss, Eric Mannging, and Charlie Weiss. Actually he had
Speaker 2: he had like a serious I don't know if actually
Speaker 2: how serious a condition was. He had like a really
Speaker 2: uncontrollable like nosebleed one day like right before away in
Speaker 2: and like they wouldn't let him out of the beat,
Speaker 2: like they would have let him out man, Contracts and
Speaker 2: contract right, it turned into a big deal like Tagli
Speaker 2: But it works, man, it worked, Yeah, yeah, it worked. Man.
Speaker 2: Everyone made their weights. So I mean, well, not not
Speaker 2: very healthy, but healthy competition.
Speaker 1: Can you take us through a game day? What do
Speaker 1: you what's your what's your process? What do you think?
Speaker 1: What are you doing on game day. Are you going
Speaker 1: there to the facility to check the game clocks and
Speaker 1: report to Bill like eight the wins this? Or are
Speaker 1: you just straight getting the team right and what are
Speaker 1: you doing on the game day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it varies different things, Like I've I would always
Speaker 2: I would be the one to submit the inactive form,
Speaker 2: you know, like the players, and you know a lot
Speaker 2: of weeks there's like so there's six or seven depending
Speaker 2: on what it is now, but six or seven players
Speaker 2: who are on the active roster who are not active
Speaker 2: for the game. So that's that's to get submitted to
Speaker 2: the league. And there's some other information you got to
Speaker 2: put on there too, But the inactive form is important
Speaker 2: and a lot of times it comes down the last second,
Speaker 2: like is this guy healthy enough to play? Is he not?
Speaker 2: He's going through a workout, and it could go up
Speaker 2: to like ten minutes left. I remember, hey, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Do you remember do you remember the when I had
Speaker 1: a broken when I broke my arm and it was
Speaker 1: my rookie year and I was like, I got a
Speaker 1: surgery and I was like maybe fourteen days out of surgery,
Speaker 1: and I'm leaving on Friday to go to my house
Speaker 1: because I just started practicing in that second week, and
Speaker 1: as I'm leaving Bars was the guy that would stop you. Hey,
Speaker 1: coach wants to talk to you. What do you mean
Speaker 1: coach wanst talk to me. Yeah, but my going you
Speaker 1: might have to go get your suit, remember that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to go get my suit.
Speaker 2: You know, he goes.
Speaker 1: I think Bill wants you to travel because it'll be
Speaker 1: good for uh, you know, uh just matchup looks. People
Speaker 1: will just to see you travel. I'm like, all right, cool, awesome,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll go get my suit travel. And then
Speaker 1: I did the game day workout. Yeah, and on game day,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there the night before, me and Slate actually
Speaker 1: we shared a room on the road early in our career.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, I don't know if I could
Speaker 1: do this, Slate, I don't know I could do this.
Speaker 1: This is fucking terrible. Sunday night football. Was it Sunday
Speaker 1: night and Monday night?
Speaker 2: I think it was a Sunday Sunday night, Yeah, Sunday.
Speaker 1: So I go, I go to bed terrified. Wake up
Speaker 1: the next morning. I wake up Slate, I'm like, it
Speaker 1: Sunday night football.
Speaker 5: I'm going I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: So I do my workout. I mean I haven't. I
Speaker 1: just broke my arm and I'm doing workout before the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, Coach, I think it's gonna be all right.
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, puts me in first touchdown. You
Speaker 1: were the first one to let me know.
Speaker 2: There you go. See, I got I got more fun
Speaker 2: facts for you Sunday, say too, we'll get to what
Speaker 2: do you got. I got a fun facts for you,
Speaker 2: which that relates to game day. So you asked, you know,
Speaker 2: one of the things I do, I talk about access, right, Like,
Speaker 2: so every every team has people that work with NFL Films,
Speaker 2: right and and NFL Films is has the right to
Speaker 2: mike players up right, got some good ones here, don't we.
Speaker 2: So you know that goes through Stacey James. It goes
Speaker 2: through me, like who are going to make up? Here's
Speaker 2: who we want who? You know, team has a little
Speaker 2: bit of influence on who it can be and maybe
Speaker 2: we should stay away. Some guys don't like to be miked.
Speaker 2: And then afterward, you know, is a process of whatever
Speaker 2: whatever they put out there, whatever footage they have. Well,
Speaker 2: in the history of the National Football League, someone has
Speaker 2: the most postseason miked up games the most postseason miked
Speaker 2: up games in the history of the National Football League.
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, my homes Kelsey, I'm into this stuff and
Speaker 2: I happened to be involved eleven for number eleven? What
Speaker 2: about that? Good guess this guy right here, let's go
Speaker 2: whose house? I'm sitting in more postseason wires than anyone
Speaker 2: else in the history of the National Football How about that?
Speaker 5: Hell? Yes?
Speaker 2: Now? Why a good question? Well, you know, like I said,
Speaker 2: there's a process. We were undefeated for a while. We
Speaker 2: were until the last one. We were you know, there's
Speaker 2: something that we're overly superstitious. But you know, it's going
Speaker 2: pretty good there for a while. Did it performed a
Speaker 2: lot of great plays in there, game winning plays, you know,
Speaker 2: entertainment value. They wouldn't they wouldn't keep asking unless it
Speaker 2: was good, you know, good material, some good material on there.
Speaker 2: So he kept asking. We kept saying, Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 5: There's incredible quotes doing there.
Speaker 2: I appreciate incredible. Now, Bears, you had to sift through
Speaker 2: all the footage. I love you Bill, I love you
Speaker 2: Bill on there on the stage. Yeah, you're too old.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of them. I do love Bill, I
Speaker 2: got it. I caught it.
Speaker 4: We're huge fans of NFL films here. What is the
Speaker 4: process like after the fact? So are you reviewing the footage?
Speaker 4: They send it all the miked up? How does that?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a is a great trust with those guys,
Speaker 2: like they're not out to ever make anyone look bad.
Speaker 2: So pretty much what they what they want is what
Speaker 2: it is there. But there are times like, eh, there's
Speaker 2: something going on that maybe you don't know about that,
Speaker 2: maybe we would rather not having there, so they'll, you know,
Speaker 2: they'll generally work with some. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you've ever and all those eleven wires, it's a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of footage. Ever been anything? Has
Speaker 2: ever been anything that you like? Maybe there are some
Speaker 2: I don't know, but nothing nothing that we thought was
Speaker 2: so egregious that we've demanded nothing that was public.
Speaker 1: But I remember one of the super Bowl parties, okay,
Speaker 1: remember we had they had like the there's a PG
Speaker 1: version and then there's like a rated R version. Okay,
Speaker 1: remember one of the super Bowl parties we had like
Speaker 1: the rated R ship of Yeah, that was there's some
Speaker 1: stuff there that I was like, I wouldn't have gone
Speaker 1: well if it.
Speaker 2: Went public, Well it didn't. So yeah, so see another way,
Speaker 2: we're connected. We are connected, man, connected.
Speaker 1: Now, what's the biggest misconception of Bill Belichick?
Speaker 2: Well, seeh I butter you up, Butter you up. Eventually
Speaker 2: we're going to get to the sign on the door.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, speak your job, speak for yourself, Speak
Speaker 2: for yourself. That's on the way out. You know. Can
Speaker 2: you my last day there, when I left, my last
Speaker 2: day there, I saw I saw on the door. Speak
Speaker 2: for yourself. I'm gonna remember that today for the rest
Speaker 2: of this conversation. But anyway, nor the noise, the hype,
Speaker 2: manage the expectations. Speak for yourself. That's on the way out.
Speaker 2: What's on the way in. Do your job, work hard,
Speaker 2: be attentive, and put the team first. Put the team first.
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, man, this is this is the
Speaker 2: way of life. Man. This isn't like mottos and slogans.
Speaker 2: It's not. So what's the misconception of building? How many
Speaker 2: times he said uh F and Foxborough Hi? I mean
Speaker 2: I was in every meeting for twenty years. For twenty years,
Speaker 2: maybe he said it every day on the field or
Speaker 2: in privately. I wasn't there, so I didn't hear it.
Speaker 2: Like the amount of times I hear, you know, I
Speaker 2: could get someone from Foxboro. He didn't say it that
Speaker 2: many times. He did not say it that many times.
Speaker 1: It makes it be twice a year if it happened
Speaker 1: to maybe maybe twice a year.
Speaker 2: Okay, you out of one hundred meetings.
Speaker 1: Some guy making eight, ten, fifteen million dollars sitting there
Speaker 1: watching film and he hears that, he's gonna remember that.
Speaker 2: So it may have only been twice a year.
Speaker 1: But if you were on the team for six years, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not a math guy, but that's twelve times.
Speaker 2: But not all directed at you.
Speaker 1: No, but you hear Foxborough High, it's because it's gonna
Speaker 1: stick out because they can't execute a snap.
Speaker 2: It wasn't because you know, you know, couldn't make a
Speaker 2: play in triple coverage. He couldn't you do a snap
Speaker 2: or two yard past. So that's the biggest misconception, is
Speaker 2: Foxborough High. That's the biggest misconception. But that's a everyone here, guys.
Speaker 2: Foxborough High never happened because no, no, no, no, I
Speaker 2: didn't say never. It's not as much as people think
Speaker 2: I don't know what else about Bill. He's funny. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that's starting to come out. A very funny
Speaker 2: guy sometimes like he's not trying and you you know,
Speaker 2: you try to suppress the laughter, but he can be
Speaker 2: very funny. Well.
Speaker 1: His his way of getting at you is through like
Speaker 1: statistics and numbers, like and his knowledge of the game.
Speaker 2: He'll sit there.
Speaker 1: And he'll prove a point by bringing back an all
Speaker 1: time great that he coached, and he'll give out the
Speaker 1: actual number of snaps, the number of plays that you've done,
Speaker 1: and you know.
Speaker 2: This is what this? Did you know?
Speaker 1: That's his way of getting But it's kind of like
Speaker 1: you're sitting there like that's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: Another one i'd say, you know, and not that he
Speaker 2: doesn't get after players. He gets after players and staph.
Speaker 2: For sure, there's you know, there's yelling, but it's not
Speaker 2: like it's not all the time in your face. To me,
Speaker 2: it's not that you're trying to avoid that. You're trying
Speaker 2: to avoid the like the most slight expression like you
Speaker 2: screwed something up and you're gonna get like that's all.
Speaker 2: Did you see that? I don't if you even noticed that.
Speaker 2: I saw that one. You know, it's not like it's
Speaker 2: not in your face, like that's a parcels fear like
Speaker 2: that could happen. But with Bill's more of those types
Speaker 2: of things that you're trying to avoid.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like disappointing your father.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to disappoint the guy.
Speaker 1: He was like, he didn't have to say anything. Is
Speaker 1: or the way he hit the Remember he hit the
Speaker 1: podium so hard. He hit that podium hard because I
Speaker 1: was right there. Yeah, I was, guy's got some cowbos hands.
Speaker 1: You guys, did you watch the roast?
Speaker 2: Was that the roast? Yeah? This is a yeah, I was,
Speaker 2: I was there. That was that was something else that
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Man, I went with Billy out we
Speaker 2: had we were actually out there. We were out there
Speaker 2: because there was some Boston College alumni events we were
Speaker 2: out there for, which is awesome, and it just so
Speaker 2: happened to coincide. So we went the whole thing. Just
Speaker 2: walking into the forum starting with that, like that's pretty cool,
Speaker 2: just knowing the history and all the stars and everything,
Speaker 2: the photos on the walls and stuff, and then you
Speaker 2: go in and it's like this you know high and
Speaker 2: you know extravagant event and then like, okay, this is nice.
Speaker 2: Lots of people around and here we go, lots of laughs.
Speaker 1: It feel weird going to the Patriot roast, the Tom
Speaker 1: Brady roast, whatever the roast was with Billy O as
Speaker 1: a BC guy. Uh well, you guys, you guys were
Speaker 1: both in it, so you guys felt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're close enough to it. I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I felt, you know, more inside than outside on that
Speaker 2: just because all the people and yeah, you know, but
Speaker 2: a lot of laughs and a lot of moments like
Speaker 2: I did that, like several times, there's as our table.
Speaker 2: I don't know how this came about, as me Billy,
Speaker 2: Michael Crabtree and Charles Woodson and one of their guys like,
Speaker 2: that's our table. And then at the next table, Kim
Speaker 2: Kardashian and her crew. You probably know that. You probably
Speaker 2: know right next to come on, right, it's army and
Speaker 2: let's see army. And right there.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 2: I was going to after, but she went the other way. Whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, who knows. Next time? Next time I
Speaker 2: went and saw Andrew Schultz instead. He was nicky Lazer,
Speaker 2: was very funny, really good. No, there's like professional athletes.
Speaker 2: You know, people think I could do that. I did
Speaker 2: that in high school. I could you know, I could
Speaker 2: have done that. These comedians and you can't do that.
Speaker 2: You're not a profession you can't do that.
Speaker 1: These comedians like they there, that's their that's their environment,
Speaker 1: that's the mojo.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But after seeing Bill for all these years and knowing
Speaker 5: Bill for all these years, how do you think Bill
Speaker 5: did up there?
Speaker 2: Right? I mean I was happy that people got to
Speaker 2: see that. Oh yeah, because we see that and we
Speaker 2: know that, and I mean I was happy he got
Speaker 2: out basically alive. You know, he took some shots, he
Speaker 2: took some shots, but you know, it was like arapeutic.
Speaker 1: It was like a big therapy session.
Speaker 2: I was just wondering, like I was wondering as like,
Speaker 2: hopefully this stuff isn't going to carry over, like that
Speaker 2: was what happened at the roast. Days at the roast,
Speaker 2: and now we move on, like or is the bar
Speaker 2: changed as the standard changed? Oh what do you think?
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four?
Speaker 1: It's fucking there is no bar, no bar, no bar, bears,
Speaker 1: I like bars.
Speaker 4: Before we move on from the roast, you just mentioned
Speaker 4: earlier that some of Belichick's humor was in like stats.
Speaker 4: He gave Amandola one at the roast.
Speaker 2: That was good. Well, you know a little back and
Speaker 2: forth there, there is, there's some back and forth so
Speaker 2: which maybe goes back to something that you know about.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you just sit back and forth, back
Speaker 2: and forth.
Speaker 1: So when when someone goes and says something about Bill,
Speaker 1: who's the person that brings the information to Bill that
Speaker 1: someone said something about Bill?
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not I don't know what happens outside of me.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's me sometimes probably other people sometimes, like you know,
Speaker 2: I keep them informed even now I might shoot him
Speaker 2: an email, but I just you know, you know, it's
Speaker 2: ingrained in me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta kiss the rings as a godfather.
Speaker 2: It's a relationship.
Speaker 1: Now, well segue to you dipped into it being it's
Speaker 1: a way of life, a patriot. It's a way of life.
Speaker 1: What does the patriot way mean to you? Bear? What
Speaker 1: is this is a hard big jay journalism?
Speaker 2: I know it's not it's not a term, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not really a term that was used in the building, right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: For me, it's like never thinking that you're there, never
Speaker 2: thinking you're even good enough. You always do more like
Speaker 2: you could be there however long you want and had
Speaker 2: a good day, but there's well I could do all
Speaker 2: these other things, you know, and we'll get to that
Speaker 2: the next day. Always chasing something I don't. I can't
Speaker 2: really name any of the real champion, true patriots that
Speaker 2: cared about credit, you know. No, it was not only
Speaker 2: just things about like we have to do this, this
Speaker 2: and this, but it's also like, well, we don't need
Speaker 2: to do all these other things, you know, like let's
Speaker 2: focus on what matters, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always tell everyone that, you know, like what
Speaker 1: everyone in his ass I go. I don't know, Like
Speaker 1: it was accountability, dependability. It was almost being afraid to
Speaker 1: be the guy totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that fucks up. Yeah, because you didn't want to a.
Speaker 1: Let your teammates down, your coaches down, be be embarrassed
Speaker 1: about it, right because everyone's putting in the effort, you know.
Speaker 1: And I always tell everyone else. So you know, Bill
Speaker 1: had a template and he had his rules, and he
Speaker 1: didn't really necessarily enforce them. It was the leaders on
Speaker 1: the team that enforced the laws. So like he was
Speaker 1: Congress and the leaders were fucking the sheriffs out there.
Speaker 2: We don't make the laws, yeah, we enforce them for them.
Speaker 4: So who would bears be in this in this analogy, I.
Speaker 1: Think bears would probably I don't know government terms very well,
Speaker 1: but where would you be, Bears?
Speaker 2: I'd probably helped make some laws for him and a
Speaker 2: team and the lobbyist. Not really, that's not my nature anyway.
Speaker 2: I make a suggestion and back it up with something.
Speaker 2: They will always listen to anything you have it backed
Speaker 2: up with something.
Speaker 1: I tell that to everyone too. Yeah, everyone thinks this
Speaker 1: whole collaborative narrative. Bill will take information from anyone. But
Speaker 1: if you give him information it's fucked up information. You're
Speaker 1: probably gonna be in the god doghouse. You don't want
Speaker 1: to be in that goddamn doghouse. That dog house is
Speaker 1: about seventeen miles away.
Speaker 2: I help pass some legislation. I also help enforce it,
Speaker 2: like with support staff, because all the things you just
Speaker 2: said about. Don't want to be the one, don't want
Speaker 2: to be the weak link, don't want to be the
Speaker 2: one to say I fucked that up, which everybody says sometimes.
Speaker 2: Like that applies to the support staff too, because we're
Speaker 2: all in it together. Like, yeah, it's a massive organization,
Speaker 2: big billion dollar business. But in the end, everyone's on
Speaker 2: top of each other all the time. Like it's very close,
Speaker 2: you know everybody, so you see what they do. There's
Speaker 2: no hiding. Yeah, especially in a football locker room. Man,
Speaker 2: you guys can sense things quickly. What do you mean?
Speaker 2: Like what like, no one who's legit, no one who
Speaker 2: we can count on.
Speaker 1: Given stories of any guys coming up to you saying,
Speaker 1: suggesting or seeing one of these scenarios of being in
Speaker 1: the locker room where guys can just sniff the fear
Speaker 1: out of someone.
Speaker 2: Right. No, I don't have a specific story on that.
Speaker 2: I just know that you guys are very in tune
Speaker 2: to just human nature and and people were also as
Speaker 2: I say, and you can tell through the sense of
Speaker 2: humor too, like it comes out you know what. We're
Speaker 2: in tune too.
Speaker 1: We're in tune to knowing that anytime we posted anything
Speaker 1: on the internet that we could be getting a call
Speaker 1: or a knock or a hey, coach will see you,
Speaker 1: or hey, why don't you come over here?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's true. Now can you take that's true?
Speaker 1: Can you take us through the social media scanning process
Speaker 1: that we had in the.
Speaker 2: I didn't get on to social media until like recently,
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. I started Instagram. So I
Speaker 2: wasn't like, I'm not that I'm not out there like
Speaker 2: scanning the internet. Yeah I can do that, but I'm
Speaker 2: like scanning. I'm not scanning Twitter. Other people are well
Speaker 2: versed in that, so it comes it comes to Bill is.
Speaker 2: Bill is famous for saying I could just be sitting
Speaker 2: at my office mining my own business and stuff comes
Speaker 2: to me. That happened a lot of times with social
Speaker 2: media stuff too, where it would just come to me
Speaker 2: because every everyone knows we want to know, so if
Speaker 2: they see it, it comes. Let me ask you this though,
Speaker 2: like how many times did you not post something that
Speaker 2: you wanted to post constantly? Okay?
Speaker 4: My team, yeah, okay, we lived in fear for ten
Speaker 4: years about that. Can we do this, Let's word this
Speaker 4: this way, let's do this. You never want to get
Speaker 4: jewels to get the knock because if he got the knock,
Speaker 4: we got the knock.
Speaker 2: Okay, and so how did it all turn out? We did? Okay?
Speaker 2: Could have been better, couldn't. We're always chasing man, So
Speaker 2: that's what that's what the next chapter is for.
Speaker 4: He was in talking about this, like scanning for social
Speaker 4: media what players can get do? Was there a level
Speaker 4: of like earning it too? Because we noticed as jewels
Speaker 4: kind of got along, the leash got a little bit
Speaker 4: longer for jewels.
Speaker 2: For Devin, you know.
Speaker 3: For.
Speaker 2: Post a lot. Yeah, he did a post a lot
Speaker 2: maybe his last year or so, but posted about a lot, right,
Speaker 2: that's different, man.
Speaker 5: You know you're doing it right.
Speaker 2: Control what you can control. Yeah, some guys did get
Speaker 2: more leash, but most No, you remember the posts that
Speaker 2: we because guys were talking about it.
Speaker 1: When I told the story about Bill being in the
Speaker 1: hot tub?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did he ever come up to you?
Speaker 3: Did?
Speaker 2: Did he hear this story? Ever?
Speaker 1: Has Bill heard of any of our stories?
Speaker 2: I mean I can't I honestly I can't remember that
Speaker 2: exact reaction. I'm sure it went something like, what the fuck? Yes,
Speaker 2: there's no way he absolutely knows that story, right, No
Speaker 2: question that one didn't slip through. Come on, what are
Speaker 2: we doing?
Speaker 5: What are we doing?
Speaker 2: There's a fucking rule. We can't go Nuncle Berry in
Speaker 2: the goddamn hoteb. I don't care if no one's in there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't disagree.
Speaker 1: How has that changed over time? Though, like has he got?
Speaker 1: He's clearly got and a little looser.
Speaker 2: Right with the whole. Maybe shouldn't have snapface. You know
Speaker 2: Bill's you know, I bet you never thought you'd see
Speaker 2: Bill in the media, right, No, wouldn't it be great
Speaker 2: if he got on social media at some point snap
Speaker 2: face just asking is he's signing a deal with Snapchat?
Speaker 4: I don't know he's launch snap face right right, No, No,
Speaker 4: he's gonna guys, he's gonna own it.
Speaker 1: Check from bears is joining only fans for content, exclusive
Speaker 1: coaching technique content with his toes dangly now stop it
Speaker 1: cut that out.
Speaker 4: Serious note by the way, like only fans, it has
Speaker 4: one part of it, but also other stuff. If just posted,
Speaker 4: if Bill was not only fans, just posted old game
Speaker 4: plans of old games, it would blow up everything and
Speaker 4: be incredible, just purely for the.
Speaker 2: Football junkies, that's the question. But anyway, where were we
Speaker 2: the threshold of show yeah stuff, No, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it was the threshold of him loosening up, which I
Speaker 2: think he did. Yeah, maybe we shouldn't have.
Speaker 1: Was there one specific time anyone did something super crazy
Speaker 1: on social that you could specifically remember him Bill, Like
Speaker 1: what the fuck are we doing?
Speaker 2: Her bears? Can you go get remember? Uh you remember them? Remembers?
Speaker 5: Do I love? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Good great guy, great guy, fun guy, you know, good player.
Speaker 2: Well one it was off season, of course, because you
Speaker 2: know most things happened in the off season. He h.
Speaker 2: He posted him shooting shooting guns in the backyard, like
Speaker 2: the backyard, not a range or like the backyard, just
Speaker 2: there's a target there, Like, yeah, that's not what we're
Speaker 2: looking for. The coin of phrase, like it's not what
Speaker 2: we're looking for. But he didn't. Only Matt posted that. No,
Speaker 2: this is like you you said, this is a good
Speaker 2: idea to go post. Yea one didn't go well that
Speaker 2: that was a that was a letter in a conduct detrimental.
Speaker 1: Conduct detrimental. You know what conduct detrimental is. That's that's
Speaker 1: that's more.
Speaker 2: That's the more serious offense. That's a serious offense. So
Speaker 2: there are different types of categories of discipline. There's being
Speaker 2: related to a meeting, missing a meeting, losing a playbook,
Speaker 2: being overweight, and things like that. That's one category, and
Speaker 2: those have specific finds associated with them that are collectively
Speaker 2: bargained and they go up year by year. Then there's
Speaker 2: another category. Another category called conduct detrimental, which there's no
Speaker 2: set fine amount. It's up to one week's game check,
Speaker 2: and that could be things like disobeying coaches, you know,
Speaker 2: being disruptive within the team, firing guns, and posting anything
Speaker 2: that casts the organization in a negative light, such as that.
Speaker 2: There's a long list, speeding in the parking lot, speeding
Speaker 2: in the parking lot. Burning something in a hotel room,
Speaker 2: I don't care, not a candle, incense, anything, If it burns,
Speaker 2: leave it.
Speaker 5: The fuck out. And you're a noted candlesman.
Speaker 2: You love your candles, all right, man, you have to
Speaker 2: have to do that somewhere else, not in your hotel.
Speaker 2: You can't do it. The conduct detrimental is more serious
Speaker 2: that then that has to go to the NFL. Has
Speaker 2: that fine letter, has to go to the NFL, has
Speaker 2: to go to the players Association, and you.
Speaker 5: Guys determine the find amount.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's up to yeah, so there you know.
Speaker 1: Now, how many times did you have to like talk
Speaker 1: Bill off the ledge of conduct detrimentally finding Matt light.
Speaker 2: Not that many, I don't think, Matt. See that's smart, dude.
Speaker 2: A man knows how to take it to the edge.
Speaker 2: You know, and it's hard to really go after him.
Speaker 2: I don't know that Matt ever got it.
Speaker 1: Was Bill scared to go at Matt Light because of
Speaker 1: the pranks that Matt Light would doodle?
Speaker 2: No, no, by scared?
Speaker 1: Did you did you hear the email exchange?
Speaker 2: Oh? I heard? I heard. He still think Matt doesn't
Speaker 2: believe me. But I didn't have anything to do with that.
Speaker 2: I really didn't. I remember that, I remember the mouse.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's pretty good. Pretty good. Got a hundred
Speaker 2: other ones in the locker room that I'm sure I
Speaker 2: don't know about.
Speaker 1: Was there any of those on that episode? The Matt
Speaker 1: Light episode. Everyone you guys got to listen to that
Speaker 1: were tremendous?
Speaker 2: I heard it.
Speaker 1: Was there run any jokes or pranks that he left
Speaker 1: out that you remember?
Speaker 2: Well, there's not. With Matt, there's there is one. Drew
Speaker 2: Drew was He was the godfather of it. I think
Speaker 2: that's probably where Matt got it from. Is Drew bluedselling.
Speaker 2: He was legendary for doing stuff quarterbacks. And he's told
Speaker 2: those stories like filling filling Tom's car up with like
Speaker 2: the peanuts, right, you know things. I'm not a big
Speaker 2: practical joke guy. Man, I'm just there to work.
Speaker 1: He's a patriot. There's the patriot way.
Speaker 2: He's just there, proud of a baby to work.
Speaker 5: Come on, whoopy cushions over here, Come on, let's we
Speaker 5: got work there.
Speaker 2: Grab what's going on in staff meeting?
Speaker 1: When Matt light pulls this ship, it's what is like
Speaker 1: Scarnakio saying, like during this whole because you're in those No, I.
Speaker 2: Wasn't in a lot. I mean I was in the
Speaker 2: Saturday night night before the game staff meetings and some
Speaker 2: off season ones, not the everyday ones when they're talking
Speaker 2: to practice film and they gain you know, game plans
Speaker 2: and stuff. They don't need me for those. Man, you
Speaker 2: gotta all other stuff to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of action will get a not good?
Speaker 2: Not what we're looking for?
Speaker 4: So Matt told the story where the it was about
Speaker 4: the email thing where he said something or the buzzer,
Speaker 4: and he said specifically that you said the first thing
Speaker 4: that walked in was not good. So what kind of
Speaker 4: thing we'll elicit a not good from you?
Speaker 2: There's a term believes is a term in football and
Speaker 2: elsewhere it's below the line. You know, if something is
Speaker 2: below the line, then we just can't have it, you know,
Speaker 2: jumping off side, jumping off side, like shocking a damn
Speaker 2: coach at his desk, Like that's just that's below the line.
Speaker 1: Every time to have the balls and the audacity to
Speaker 1: fucking a sneak into the head coach's office. Let's let's
Speaker 1: put it. Let's paint the picture. This isn't an office
Speaker 1: that we all just like, hey, coach, how.
Speaker 2: You doing, coach? We don't do that.
Speaker 1: I went in that office maybe three times, four times
Speaker 1: in my career. I was there for twelve years, and
Speaker 1: three of them were like over con track stuff, and
Speaker 1: after that one was suspended like.
Speaker 2: That covers it. That covers it.
Speaker 1: And so for bat Light to go in there and
Speaker 1: have a full beanie of breaking an entry and like.
Speaker 2: It was, you know what, I look at it this way.
Speaker 2: It's a grind. It's you guys. What you guys do
Speaker 2: is a grind, and like very few people can or
Speaker 2: would even have the mental toughness to go through it.
Speaker 2: Everybody's got their way of getting through it, you know what.
Speaker 2: And that is probably his way it is.
Speaker 1: And I think Bill appreciated guys that did that kind
Speaker 1: of ship. Not he may not have showed it and
Speaker 1: he may have yelled, but like he knew how big
Speaker 1: of a grind it was for us. And it was
Speaker 1: because the guys like that light and the rich Ornbergers
Speaker 1: and the guys that brought some light.
Speaker 2: Rabel.
Speaker 1: I wasn't see. I wasn't you got any good Rabel stories?
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm a well, we'll do that one. I
Speaker 2: have a great it's probably been told. All right, you
Speaker 2: know what, there's too there's too much. There's too much.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know during rookie skits and other joke times
Speaker 2: where like we don't need to get into like male
Speaker 2: you know, sexual conversation, Like it's too much like guys.
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the guys did use that humor,
Speaker 2: but the Vrabel thing kind of goes down that pas.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna leave that out.
Speaker 1: What was the best rookie skit that you ever remember?
Speaker 2: Uh? Wow, there's so many good ones. I mean, there
Speaker 2: was a guy going way back to the offensive lineman
Speaker 2: he did it. He did a pretty good Charlie Wise impersonation,
Speaker 2: really good. I think it was Dan Stevenson from Notre
Speaker 2: Dame but probably never played. But he could eat butter,
Speaker 2: he could eat but no But back to what you're
Speaker 2: saying about Bill, Like I totally agree, Like he knows
Speaker 2: that you need more than just like robotic activity all
Speaker 2: day long. Yeah, but he also knows like who he
Speaker 2: is and what his his game is and isn't. So
Speaker 2: if he's not, he's not going to go do that.
Speaker 2: But if someone else is going to do it, then
Speaker 2: now we have it. Yeah, it doesn't need to come
Speaker 2: from him, comes from Light or Rabele or you know,
Speaker 2: Dan Stevenson. Dan Stevenson, all right, was a rookie Actually,
Speaker 2: uh no, it wasn't a rookie skip because Bill was
Speaker 2: in it. It was just it was kind of like
Speaker 2: just a team building thing that we broke the team
Speaker 2: up and the coaches and everybody had a role in it,
Speaker 2: and they enacted they reenacted like a Broadway musical and
Speaker 2: Bill actually sang in this. I remember O number nine
Speaker 2: now in front of the team. That was a memorable one.
Speaker 2: Not a rookie skip, but it was kind of like
Speaker 2: talent show ish event. So so Bill's got well, what
Speaker 2: year was this? It's probably around twenty twenty, maybe this
Speaker 2: is when? When was this the right before I think
Speaker 2: it's probably right Easter?
Speaker 1: Was this the Jack Easter b thing where instead of
Speaker 1: doing rookie skits we all had to like.
Speaker 2: Do between things could have been in there. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember that.
Speaker 4: Where the where is that footage?
Speaker 2: Well something something's wow.
Speaker 1: Access Oliver's Twists starring Bill Belichick.
Speaker 5: It is Broadway debut.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this quick break. All right,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get back. We're gonna talk about New York. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's go back to nineteen ninety seven, September fourteenth.
Speaker 1: This is a segment we like to go over pop
Speaker 1: culture things around the time the game took place.
Speaker 2: Number one movie was The Game?
Speaker 5: You were this movie?
Speaker 2: I remember I didn't see. That's a great movie.
Speaker 5: Great San Francisco movie too.
Speaker 2: Great San Francisco movie.
Speaker 1: Honey by Maria Carrey was number one song. We all remember,
Speaker 1: huh Julian favorite.
Speaker 5: Yes, I do love the real heads know your love
Speaker 5: for Mariah Long Island Baby.
Speaker 1: You speaking of music, you used to pick the practice music,
Speaker 1: din't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am a music I'll say I enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: It's hard. It's hard to please a football team because
Speaker 2: you got a lot of There's so many, so many
Speaker 2: times you could listen to here's where you start. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you where it actually started. It started with for
Speaker 2: crowd noise. To simulate crowd noise at practice, we just
Speaker 2: played this is way before you just noise static, just yeah,
Speaker 2: like that was our noise. And it was brutal, brutal.
Speaker 2: So then we went to music and it was probably like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe O one oh two, and I'm
Speaker 2: playing I'm playing some hip hop song with you know,
Speaker 2: regular lyrics, the lyrics and uh not clean, not clean,
Speaker 2: and and I'd been doing this and then one day
Speaker 2: un pleasant who was a veteran defensive lineman kind of
Speaker 2: like I mean, not quite Matt Slater, but along those
Speaker 2: lines of Matt Slater of the team at that time,
Speaker 2: and he went to Bill and he said, like, seriously,
Speaker 2: I do not want to hear some of these words.
Speaker 2: Of course, build on say anything to me. So play
Speaker 2: it again, Miller practice. But it comes over what after
Speaker 2: you playing those songs? You know you can't play the
Speaker 2: cleanler Okay. So from then on it was all clean lyrics,
Speaker 2: hip hop, rock, bon Jovi and Springsteen. That's where you start. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe bon Jovi and Springsteen start until you know that
Speaker 2: gets old ish Bnjovi never gets old. But so then
Speaker 2: we had it in country whatever.
Speaker 1: Who who is the number one guy to come up
Speaker 1: to request music?
Speaker 2: You guys?
Speaker 1: Let me pay the picture for you guys. Bears would
Speaker 1: be out there like like dip lo. He had the
Speaker 1: man a few big speakers and he had a turntable
Speaker 1: and you'd see it there with his iPod and ship.
Speaker 1: We're in the middle of a practice. Yeah, day, a
Speaker 1: star of day? What is a rainy? Moss's song was
Speaker 1: always a Friday practice. Every day?
Speaker 2: Star is b It was a jay Z.
Speaker 1: Every time Bears would throw that on, Rady would look
Speaker 1: at me, go, this is what they played on my birthday?
Speaker 2: The Moss Man. I love them. I love that guy stories.
Speaker 2: I got some Moss stories. But you know what, who
Speaker 2: was it? Steve CASCALSI he was. He was adamant about
Speaker 2: some songs now Christmas specific, Christmas song specific.
Speaker 5: He was, Wait while we're on music, can I butt
Speaker 5: in here real quick? Bears? I was creeping on your
Speaker 5: Instagram before this, just to do my due diligence and prep.
Speaker 5: How the heck was the Dead at the Sphere?
Speaker 2: I was sous best show I've ever seen it. I
Speaker 2: mean show I've been I mean I've been a dead
Speaker 2: fan a long time. They love their music. I mean
Speaker 2: it just for for me all that, it just works.
Speaker 2: So I saw them here Fenway last year. I thought
Speaker 2: it was great, and they that was the last tour,
Speaker 2: that was it. And then here they are residency at
Speaker 2: the Sphere and I was like, I gotta do it.
Speaker 2: So just it really no dates work, So I just
Speaker 2: made the date work. Memorial Day. I was going alone,
Speaker 2: but then I found a guy came with me and
Speaker 2: we went and it was just it was incredible. Just
Speaker 2: it's like an Imax. You've been in an Imax theater,
Speaker 2: but it's that times one hundred. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 5: It looked incredible.
Speaker 2: And it's mayor, I mean John Mayer's he's the tragician.
Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into the game, Jack, can you
Speaker 1: set the stage for the New York Football Jets.
Speaker 5: Got to start out with the Jets. This is the
Speaker 5: first year of the Big Tuna era Big tun which
Speaker 5: is pretty crazy, and the first year of the Bears
Speaker 5: era and the first year of the Bears right.
Speaker 2: Well, actually no, I started at the Jets mid season
Speaker 2: in ninety five. Okay, I was I know it was
Speaker 2: before I was before this this actual regime came in,
Speaker 2: which is great for me. It was awesome because to
Speaker 2: go back one step further, I started at the Knicks
Speaker 2: as an intern total slap you know, in the ninety
Speaker 2: four season, okay, and media relations. It was a media
Speaker 2: relations intern, and it was awesome. Like I'm from New York. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm in in the end. I mean, I'm Bostonian now,
Speaker 2: but in my heart, I'm a New Yorker and New
Speaker 2: York the New York sports scene is where this all
Speaker 2: started for me. And when the Knicks are going like
Speaker 2: they were going pretty good this year, like there's nothing
Speaker 2: like it in New York City. So I was with
Speaker 2: the Knicks when they were going pat Riley, Patrick Ewing,
Speaker 2: all these guys that they show now, John Starr, I mean,
Speaker 2: I could name the whole team. So anyway, I started then,
Speaker 2: and I was at the Knicks for a couple of
Speaker 2: years and that's when Van Gundia, but I wasn't full time.
Speaker 2: That led to a job at the Jets in media
Speaker 2: relations because the organizations knew each other. Whatever one thing
Speaker 2: lent to another. Now I'm at the Jets, but I
Speaker 2: continued working at the Knicks just on game days, and
Speaker 2: it was amazing. Like I sat there, like at the
Speaker 2: door where the celebrities and the media came in and
Speaker 2: handed out credentials to tickets to like whoever it was,
Speaker 2: and just like now, like there were some notable people
Speaker 2: coming through there, media, Spike. Actually Spike, he was a
Speaker 2: season ticket holder, so he had his tickets, but it
Speaker 2: was the people that would come just for the game
Speaker 2: and you know, need their ticket rules, you know, like
Speaker 2: Stephen A. Smith when he was a writer, a basketball
Speaker 2: writer at the Philadelphia Choir. You know, like a lot
Speaker 2: of people that you know, kind of moved up like
Speaker 2: all of us, you know, they were something else in
Speaker 2: the mid nineties. So the Knicks is and the Knicks
Speaker 2: were very corporate, the very corporate organization owned by Viacom
Speaker 2: and now Cable Vision, and it was an office building
Speaker 2: in New York City. It was amazing. I took the
Speaker 2: train in from Long Island every day. And so now
Speaker 2: I'm at the Jets and it's very different. The Jets
Speaker 2: were I own by a family, Leon Hess of hess Oil,
Speaker 2: and it was a family not even a family run organization.
Speaker 2: Because he wasn't around that much. He was around a
Speaker 2: couple times a year, so it was really kind of
Speaker 2: like a mom and pop type of organization. And I'll
Speaker 2: jump ahead and down. The Patriots are a mix of
Speaker 2: both run like a business, no question and killing it
Speaker 2: as a business, but family run thin at the top.
Speaker 2: So my first two jobs was kind of like both
Speaker 2: ends of that. The Patriots kind of mixed it all together.
Speaker 2: But I started the Jets midway through the ninety five season.
Speaker 2: Team was horrendous. As much good fortune as I've had
Speaker 2: in football, it didn't start that way. Three and thirteen
Speaker 2: my first year, one in fifteen the second year. So
Speaker 2: four and twenty eight is the first two years as
Speaker 2: this is not what I remember at the Knicks, and
Speaker 2: then here comes the new regime. Now Bill Parcells from
Speaker 2: New Jersey, a New York Ey like all the way
Speaker 2: baseball fan, like New York Giants like baseball fan, Knicks fans.
Speaker 2: We had a little connection on that won Super Bowls
Speaker 2: at the Giants, and just a New York guy. So
Speaker 2: he was like welcomed, beloved in New York. And you
Speaker 2: could tell right away like this is gonna this is
Speaker 2: gonna be a totally different deal. Like if there's things
Speaker 2: are a little loose. Well, we're going opposite, you know,
Speaker 2: that's just him hard nos tough in your face like
Speaker 2: no bs guy like Bill Belichick, pat Riley, Bill O'Brien,
Speaker 2: and so that that was the new kind of vibe
Speaker 2: around the team, and there were some good players. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like, I mean, not quite as good, but
Speaker 2: it's a little like the Patriots when Bill Belichick got there,
Speaker 2: where there are great players in place, but just you know,
Speaker 2: hadn't quite gotten to where there were a few years before.
Speaker 2: Jets had some good players now. To me, like I
Speaker 2: think about this stuff like the history of rivalry, like
Speaker 2: I grew up in New York and like the Yankees
Speaker 2: and the Red Sox in the old days the seventies
Speaker 2: and the eighties when they're brawling like legit brawls and
Speaker 2: games Thurman Munks and Carlton Fisk and like Bruins Rangers
Speaker 2: fighting fans in the stands, like there was some serious
Speaker 2: rivalries going on. But this this one took it like
Speaker 2: to a different level because it wasn't as much on
Speaker 2: the field. It was like the off the field stuff,
Speaker 2: the off field drama with coaches and front office and
Speaker 2: players switching teams and the whole New York Boston rivalry
Speaker 2: and even at that time, and I know this because
Speaker 2: I was one of them. I grew up in New York,
Speaker 2: went to school in Boston, College in Boston. There was
Speaker 2: a lot of that going on in that eighties nineties
Speaker 2: where there was an influx of young people from New
Speaker 2: York going to college in Boston. That brought a whole
Speaker 2: new kind of aspect to it of the rivalry, and
Speaker 2: then this game was kind of took it to the
Speaker 2: next level.
Speaker 5: It's it's like I was trying to think of any
Speaker 5: like how to equate it to a modern sort of
Speaker 5: rivalry and just can't. Like with the coaching changes of
Speaker 5: the players, change of the back and forth.
Speaker 2: Like like Andy Reid going to the Raiders it's keep
Speaker 2: right and they're being messy on his way out with
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, and then the best player then Mahomes having
Speaker 2: I mean just a quick little this is one thing
Speaker 2: with Curtis Martin, he's on the Patriots. It's like that
Speaker 2: three years or two or three years, you know, good play,
Speaker 2: very productive player, had some injuries. You know, if there
Speaker 2: was a there was a contract aspect going on where
Speaker 2: the Patriots going to sign them where they're not going
Speaker 2: to sign them. So Parcells love Curtis Martin from his
Speaker 2: time at the Patriots, so he signs Curtis. He was
Speaker 2: restricted free agent. He signs him to an offer sheet
Speaker 2: to come to the Jets. Okay, in this offer sheet,
Speaker 2: it says that Curtis Martin has to be the highest
Speaker 2: paid player on a team. I can't do this now,
Speaker 2: and the Patriots couldn't match that because blood Cell was
Speaker 2: there and he was you know, the Patriot didn't have
Speaker 2: an established quarterback. It was Neil O'Donnell, the old from
Speaker 2: the old regiam Is Glenn Foley Boston College, so they
Speaker 2: could do that. That is since that's also one of
Speaker 2: the many rules that have come up probably out of
Speaker 2: this rivalry as well, is that that poison pill for
Speaker 2: in the contract that you can't do that anymore. So
Speaker 2: he went. So Curtis Martin ended up going to the
Speaker 2: to the Jets, having a Hall of Fame career. Jesus,
Speaker 2: that's that's just one thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, this game that we're covering is his highest rushing.
Speaker 2: Touchdown, right. I think he had like seven carries on
Speaker 2: the game winning drive in overtime in this game, like
Speaker 2: the you know Patriots had a really good team. Let's
Speaker 2: I'll give you one more. Who's on the sideline in
Speaker 2: this game for the Patriots. Pete Carroll's the head coach.
Speaker 2: Turned out to be quite a I mean good higher
Speaker 2: then and he's you know, National Championship of College super
Speaker 2: Bowl on the end. So great coach who a few
Speaker 2: years before head coach of the Jets for one year.
Speaker 2: They fired him after one year. So Pete Carroll was
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Jets. Yeah, people don't really
Speaker 2: talk about that as much in this game, but you
Speaker 2: know there's another one.
Speaker 4: So I'd love your because I didn't realize that you
Speaker 4: were in the Jets organization before Parcels came in. What
Speaker 4: was the vibe, the buzz, what was going on from
Speaker 4: the Jets perspective when Parcels started the rmblings of potentially
Speaker 4: joining the Jets while he was under contract with the Patriots.
Speaker 2: From what I recall, it was, if you can get Parcels,
Speaker 2: you get Parcels. Now, remember the team is four and
Speaker 2: twenty eight, so if it wasn't Parcels, you know, it
Speaker 2: could have been somebody else coming in. You know as
Speaker 2: a new head coach anyway. But if you get Parcels
Speaker 2: that instant credibility right away and whatever he wants he
Speaker 2: gets and he was gonna do and you're gonna get better.
Speaker 2: Team was in the NFC championship game the next year,
Speaker 2: twelve and four season. But yeah, that game, the Patriots
Speaker 2: were good, the Jets were not good. So the pressure
Speaker 2: was all on the Patriots. You gotta win this game.
Speaker 2: You can't let this guy leave the way he left
Speaker 2: and come back Week three, National TV, Patriots are two
Speaker 2: and zero and win like that would have been disastrous.
Speaker 2: So the Patriots had to win that game and barely did.
Speaker 2: I mean they were a better team, but took a
Speaker 2: lot of body blows on the way. It's like Rocky one,
Speaker 2: Rocky Rocky won, Apollo wins, but a lot was that
Speaker 2: week of practice and prep. How was that week in
Speaker 2: New York? In New York it wasn't nearly what it
Speaker 2: was I think up here, because you like all the
Speaker 2: information was there like newspaper and you know, the radio
Speaker 2: like that was it. You could tell like up here
Speaker 2: it meant everything down there was like the team's just
Speaker 2: kind of getting started here try and try not to
Speaker 2: piss him off, I personally, because I was into this stuff,
Speaker 2: like I wanted to win. I wanted to win it
Speaker 2: for him because I knew it was a big deal
Speaker 2: for that. But within the team, I think they could
Speaker 2: sense it. You know, once theuses are getting pelted, Like
Speaker 2: the Jets buses didn't get pelted very much at one
Speaker 2: and fifteen, like one of fifteen, busy get pelted.
Speaker 5: Nine and seven.
Speaker 2: You're getting pelted though ninety seven this year.
Speaker 5: This year, big what a turn I mean, incredible turnaround
Speaker 5: in one year go to one in fifteen and nine
Speaker 5: and seven is just.
Speaker 2: Notice, yeah, and right on the edge, like you know,
Speaker 2: right on the edge of the playoffs.
Speaker 4: So something that kind of gets lost here a little
Speaker 4: bit because there's a couple of times with coaching intrigue
Speaker 4: back and forth between the Jets and the Patriots. Is
Speaker 4: during this time here, coach Belichick was named head coach
Speaker 4: for like six days, right and coach Parcels was coaching consultant.
Speaker 2: Even that was uh, you know during those times, the
Speaker 2: policies and the rules like it was a lot different
Speaker 2: than it is now. There are a lot of loopholes
Speaker 2: and gray areas, and you know, they were operated in.
Speaker 2: But even that one was too far and the league
Speaker 2: stepped in and had to broker a deal. They couldn't
Speaker 2: just you know, let them be there as a consultant, mister.
Speaker 2: That the staff started getting built, like Bill Belichick was
Speaker 2: the head coach and Scott Peoli was hired and Mike
Speaker 2: Tannebaum and things were kind of like set up. How
Speaker 2: much Bill Parcells was, you know, involved, I'm not really sure,
Speaker 2: but back the fact that Scott Peoly was brought in
Speaker 2: and he was a Bill Belichick guy, means that Bill
Speaker 2: Belichick was making some decisions. Scott didn't have any connection
Speaker 2: with Parcels who brought in Charlie he came. That was
Speaker 2: That's a good question. I don't remember the timing of
Speaker 2: that because he was on Parcels staff. He was never
Speaker 2: on Bill's. They were they were friends and they were close.
Speaker 2: It was probably Parcels.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a little bit of the Patriot's Dynasty brain trust
Speaker 4: inner circle was developed on this Jets team. Can you
Speaker 4: speak a little bit to that. You mentioned Peoli, Mangini yourself.
Speaker 4: Can you just talk about how that kind of happened
Speaker 4: in New York?
Speaker 2: Right, Well, Scott with Scott Pioli in particular, he goes
Speaker 2: back to Cleveland for several years with Bill Belichick. So
Speaker 2: they had already like they had already been involved with
Speaker 2: building a team team together and Mike Tannebaum came kind
Speaker 2: of on the tail end of that. So they they
Speaker 2: already had a working relationship. They had already done it
Speaker 2: at an organization, and then they took that to the
Speaker 2: Jets and then add parcels and it and then went
Speaker 2: from there. So a lot of this actually goes back
Speaker 2: to Cleveland too, with Bill Belichick and Scott, you know,
Speaker 2: and Mike and Eric too. He's definitely in part of this.
Speaker 4: And what was your process to kind of because you
Speaker 4: were with the district before, to kind of get inside.
Speaker 2: So like I said, like I was in media relations, okay,
Speaker 2: And if you're in media relations and in the department
Speaker 2: of five year five, you don't have natural crossover with
Speaker 2: the defensive coordinator assistant head coach Bill Belichick like that
Speaker 2: that something has to happen. What happened was and it's
Speaker 2: actually a story that I tell people and my kids about.
Speaker 2: You never know. So when I was at the Jets
Speaker 2: in the previous regime, one of my jobs was to
Speaker 2: work with the radio broadcast crew during the game and
Speaker 2: right down stats like things that happened. Like they didn't
Speaker 2: have all these great instantaneous things you'd have to maybe
Speaker 2: for TV, but not for radio. So I did a
Speaker 2: lot of things by hand, and I would like give
Speaker 2: notes to the announcers. One of the announcers, the analyst
Speaker 2: was Dave Jennings. About the name of Dave Jennings. He's
Speaker 2: a great guy, passed away way too early. He was
Speaker 2: a great punter for the New York Giants in the
Speaker 2: late seventies early eighties. Like Giants weren't very good, he
Speaker 2: was the at times he was the best player in
Speaker 2: a team. But he was a Pro Bowl punter. And
Speaker 2: Bill coached him when he was he coached special teams
Speaker 2: at the Giants. I don't know this. I don't know
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick, but Dave was a radio analyst like the
Speaker 2: Scott Zolac Okay of the Jets, and he was a Giant.
Speaker 2: And in New York, people are very passionate about their sports,
Speaker 2: just like Boston, very passionate. But in New York there's
Speaker 2: most two teams for every sport. So yeah, you got rivalries,
Speaker 2: you got Yankees Red Sox, but you got it, also
Speaker 2: got Yankees Mets. You know, there's a lot of tension there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, so the Giants and the Jets like
Speaker 2: their enemies, and it went up at that time. I
Speaker 2: don't know what it's like now, but at that time
Speaker 2: it was a front office thing too. Like the Jet
Speaker 2: people didn't really like the Giant people. So here's Dave
Speaker 2: Jennings known as a Giants player, even though he played
Speaker 2: the Jets a couple of years at the end of
Speaker 2: his career. But he was a Giant and here but
Speaker 2: he's a Jet color guy on the radio, and he
Speaker 2: was blunt. He would tell it like it is. He
Speaker 2: didn't sugarcoat anything. He would hammer the team. He'd hammer
Speaker 2: the team when he went on the radio just as
Speaker 2: a guest. And they didn't like him very much. But
Speaker 2: what do I know, Like, I'm twenty something years old,
Speaker 2: I'm there, I'm at practice, I'm talking to them. I
Speaker 2: like the guy. So he became friends. Well. A few
Speaker 2: years later, incomes the new regime. Incomes Bill Belichick as
Speaker 2: part of the new regime. Dave Jennings introduces me to
Speaker 2: Bill Belichick because their friends from back of the Giants
Speaker 2: that's kind of where it got started. And you know,
Speaker 2: I was kind of in that little circle of Bill,
Speaker 2: Scott Pioli, like Tanne Beum, Eric Mangini and that that
Speaker 2: was kind of it. So that's how it kind of
Speaker 2: got started. So the relationships which you know all about
Speaker 2: do I, Yeah, it.
Speaker 1: Was that, like, yeah, that was were they a close
Speaker 1: knit group that whole little eventual Patriot coaching staff, Like
Speaker 1: in the cafeteria where those guys al We's sitting next
Speaker 1: to each other like talking and was at their rat pack.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it would be yeah, go out, you know, not
Speaker 2: do that so much anymore, but it would be like,
Speaker 2: go out somewhere. We went to the Belmont together. It
Speaker 2: was the end of it was the end of mini camp.
Speaker 2: It's pretty funny. It's the end of mini camp. Was
Speaker 2: the last practice and then we get in the car
Speaker 2: and go to the Belmont, fill up the trunk with
Speaker 2: some beverages, get there. Bill's drive in. Bill's driving. We
Speaker 2: pull in and it's a mess, like we don't have passes.
Speaker 2: We're just kind of driving in and we got stopped there.
Speaker 2: We're just trying to park and the guy's like, you
Speaker 2: can't go here, and Bill points over. That's Eric Mangini.
Speaker 2: Let us in say, nobody doesn't know who says Bill's
Speaker 2: not funny.
Speaker 4: We also there was a very limited media on you
Speaker 4: when we're doing some research, but we found an article
Speaker 4: from two thousand drove up that skip ahead a little
Speaker 4: bit that when the Patriots or when Bill moved to
Speaker 4: the Patriots, you guys all drove together from New Jersey
Speaker 4: to Foxborough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was Bill driving me and Eric.
Speaker 2: That was that was a group that came up. What
Speaker 2: kind of car by station wagon? I bet it is
Speaker 2: a Bill station wagon?
Speaker 1: I think that's Bill did have that station wagon that
Speaker 1: he was driving in that ninety five Brown's footage.
Speaker 2: Was it a station what's.
Speaker 4: The conversation like that, It's like, oh, we want to
Speaker 4: do this. Is it already in work mode thinking about
Speaker 4: what to do when you get to New England or
Speaker 4: is it just like, hey, we should stop at this
Speaker 4: last deli that's the last New York della.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably there's probably some of that, and it was
Speaker 2: probably just how the how's this day going to go?
Speaker 2: With the press conference and you know, just what's happening
Speaker 2: in the next immediate hours and day. That was two thousand.
Speaker 2: You know the three people who started the Patriots in
Speaker 2: two thousand, three people. I mean there's more than three people.
Speaker 2: But the what in the year two thousand. It was
Speaker 2: Bill's first year, It's Tom's first year, and my first year. Man,
Speaker 2: that's a pretty good company.
Speaker 5: Talk about a trio.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I kid, I kid, Come on, man, Ernie,
Speaker 1: Ernie came back.
Speaker 2: Ernie did too. Yeah, after killing it out there in
Speaker 2: the business world. We won't get into that.
Speaker 5: He got We're gonna get stocktcks out him one of
Speaker 5: these days. Yeah, we were getting the good luck.
Speaker 4: Let's jets real quick. Let's do Pats real quick.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, run through these these Jets real quick. As
Speaker 5: we said, nine and seven narrowly missed the plays. Huge
Speaker 5: turnaround from the year before one in fifteen, mo Lewis
Speaker 5: We all know Lewis the loan pro bowler this season,
Speaker 5: this was the first winning season for the Jets since
Speaker 5: eighty eight. So, I mean, Bill Parcells came in and
Speaker 5: it made that immediate one year, one year, the tuner
Speaker 5: knew how to turn things around, and.
Speaker 4: We did the same thing with the Patriots. Took him
Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl like that.
Speaker 5: This was one year. It was one year after Kishawn
Speaker 5: was drafted number one overall in the ninety six draft.
Speaker 2: Good great guy, good friend of mine. Didn't you work
Speaker 2: with him? Yeah, he was the first pick in a
Speaker 2: draft and he came like in ninety six and the
Speaker 2: first thing he did is come to my office and
Speaker 2: we just kind of hit it off right away. La
Speaker 2: guy had some of our Mantian friends.
Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, getting into its in this game too.
Speaker 2: He did had a great touchdown and mo Lewis had
Speaker 2: a touchdown. They forgotten what lewis patriot moment. He was all,
Speaker 2: he's doing the interception for a touchdown.
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Which he outran Sean Jefferson had the wheels, baby had
Speaker 2: the wheels.
Speaker 5: And if we were and we're talking this Jets roster,
Speaker 5: we've mentioned these games. We've mentioned the Neil O'donnald's. We
Speaker 5: got Adrian Morrell, I mean he carried the ball three
Speaker 5: hundred times, the Godfather. You took the words right out
Speaker 5: of my mouth.
Speaker 4: Him Jules have a similar place style. I've been told, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're both white.
Speaker 2: More than that. And go look up the photo of you.
Speaker 2: What are the similarities of our game?
Speaker 5: Get open and catch the ball, simple as that, get
Speaker 5: open and catch the ball, simple as that.
Speaker 4: Should we roll on the real quick?
Speaker 5: This was the ten and six Patriots seem pretty loaded
Speaker 5: roster on both sides of the ball. We mentioned it
Speaker 5: before then. There are even some names that carried over
Speaker 5: into the Belichick era that you guys would know, the
Speaker 5: Willie McGinnis, the Tie Laws, the lawyer Malloy's of the world.
Speaker 5: Scott Zolac was backing up Bledsoe this year. It was
Speaker 5: the first Troy Brown first year.
Speaker 2: The can of the Jets, love so love soo. You
Speaker 2: know has a fake I is that the rumor?
Speaker 5: I think? I think there. I don't know exactly he's
Speaker 5: got a I don't know exactly what you.
Speaker 2: Got to ask him.
Speaker 4: Had an incredible touchdown.
Speaker 1: In this It'd be pretty incredible if he was an
Speaker 1: NFL quarterback with one eye. Debt per section go ahead.
Speaker 5: This was the first year of the Pete Carroll era,
Speaker 5: as we mentioned, uh. This was Bledsoe's fifth year in
Speaker 5: the NFL, so already pretty established in there, played under
Speaker 5: Parcels all those years and they kind of butted heads
Speaker 5: a little bit, is that right? Burge a little.
Speaker 2: Parcels Bill and Bledsoe, I think, I mean I wasn't here.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I got.
Speaker 2: I've heard yeah, okay, And he does that with all
Speaker 2: this the same thing with Phil Simms.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, we've Phil was on here telling the stories.
Speaker 5: The plane ticket is in the drawer.
Speaker 4: I think, just audience think the big takeaway from this
Speaker 4: Patriots team is that talking about this Parcels Belichick Jets
Speaker 4: Patriots kind of back and forth, that this Patriots team
Speaker 4: the core was really kind of a Parcels left over
Speaker 4: that became the Belichick pick up for the early part
Speaker 4: of the dynasty in the Patriots organization.
Speaker 5: And this was to say, yeah, for sure, and two
Speaker 5: more points we got to hit before we move on.
Speaker 5: Coming off of lost in Super Bowl thirty one, we
Speaker 5: lost to the Packers Terry Glenn's second year in the
Speaker 5: NFL two and lost in the division around of Pittsburgh
Speaker 5: to another coach with another good name, the chin baby,
Speaker 5: Bill Cower, Bill Coward.
Speaker 4: We kind of already covered the Parcels exit already, so
Speaker 4: we can kind of we dig some some research on
Speaker 4: the compensation for the draft picks back and forth, no
Speaker 4: one really of note to really mention, so just kind
Speaker 4: of that the League stepped in. There was some back
Speaker 4: and forth. Parcels was pretty much out the door before
Speaker 4: while the Patriots were playing in the Super Bowl. Some
Speaker 4: intrigues and back and forth. We mentioned the consultation, the consultant,
Speaker 4: the head coach of Belichick and then led us into
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 2: Our memories coming back up.
Speaker 1: Parcels like, so, what is the first thing, what's that
Speaker 1: first memory of Coach Parcels after working with him for
Speaker 1: you know, your five games, and.
Speaker 2: Now this is like my first memory of him period.
Speaker 2: My interaction with him was maybe like I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's probably like a couple of months into his time
Speaker 2: at the Jets, and like, I don't really have anything
Speaker 2: to do with him. We had a head of media
Speaker 2: relations and someone else. But I got called up to
Speaker 2: his office. The coach wants to see you. So okay,
Speaker 2: I go up there and walk in and he goes.
Speaker 2: I think he said something about the Knicks because he like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's always had let's say, that's one of
Speaker 2: the things about Parcelsy. He has something with everybody, like
Speaker 2: a little connection to kind of break the ice or
Speaker 2: have a little personal rapport. So that was that was
Speaker 2: it with me. But then he said, you see this,
Speaker 2: and he takes out this laminated piece of paper. The
Speaker 2: NFL schedule for next season had just come out, so
Speaker 2: all the games are listed for each week, but on paper.
Speaker 2: So he had this one sheet and on one side
Speaker 2: it was week one, Week two, Week three, and then
Speaker 2: on the top it was all the teams at l
Speaker 2: ar z c AR all the way down and then
Speaker 2: in each box and there was a grid of two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six games. Who's playing, who, the time
Speaker 2: of the game, and where it was in the day,
Speaker 2: Like if it was not a Sunday, if it was Monday,
Speaker 2: you put m o wan ivers a Thursday. T So
Speaker 2: can you do this? Okay, I'll do it and walk
Speaker 2: out and there's a lot of information. But so and
Speaker 2: I'm about to leave his office and he goes, hey,
Speaker 2: just remember this one wrong, all wrong, okay, coach, not
Speaker 2: like I did do a good job with this, thanks
Speaker 2: a lot one wrong. All wrong, you know, And that
Speaker 2: means like center it properly, and you know it's a
Speaker 2: lot of information. It's not hard, but it's details. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't f this up. Was he a
Speaker 2: guy of those a million sayings? Yes, he had a lot. Yes,
Speaker 2: he had a lot of sayings like, I mean, there's
Speaker 2: if they don't bite as puppies, they're not going to
Speaker 2: bite as a dog. Meaning if a rookie isn't tough
Speaker 2: when you get them, ain't gonna get tough. Can't buy toughness.
Speaker 2: So I stayed up like all night and they had
Speaker 2: my mom double checking it.
Speaker 4: You know, did Jewels bite as a puppy?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely has anyone talked about the playoff game. It's
Speaker 2: a horrible game. Playoff game in two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: and his rookie year, Ray Rice.
Speaker 5: It's come up a few times. We've never dedicated to
Speaker 5: that hit, right that.
Speaker 2: I mean Bill has talked about like numerous times with
Speaker 2: the team, like the best player on the field.
Speaker 5: In that game for us coming out party.
Speaker 2: We had some good players on the team, but not
Speaker 2: that day. This was an nine other than him. This
Speaker 2: is nine Ravens.
Speaker 4: So then what happened between nine and when he really
Speaker 4: kind of like stuck on, Well.
Speaker 2: He didn't he didn't say that at the time. Later,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't se Super Bowls later.
Speaker 4: All right, Jack, let's sorry, let's do this game because
Speaker 4: this was actually sometimes these old games are don't really
Speaker 4: aren't really interesting. Maybe the storyline or the themes are
Speaker 4: more interesting than the actual game play itself. This is
Speaker 4: a great game with an overtime Adam and Terryfield like
Speaker 4: Jack when he hit us up on.
Speaker 5: Before I get into that, I gotta give my guys
Speaker 5: some shine back to that nine playoff game against the Ravens.
Speaker 5: Six catches forty four yards, two touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Let's not forget catch just forty four yards. I would
Speaker 2: have guessed more than that.
Speaker 1: I had a good turn too, But let's Bill like
Speaker 1: the I remember Bill put the punk return on the
Speaker 1: highlights out of our exit.
Speaker 4: That's the one we how involved you with Bill Tube
Speaker 4: and the cutups.
Speaker 2: That's all the film. I yeah, I didn't watch. I
Speaker 2: didn't really watch the game film. I watched a lot
Speaker 2: of TV copies our games and other games, because a
Speaker 2: lot of times you get better shots, you get good replays,
Speaker 2: you get officials or announcers saying things that helped make.
Speaker 4: The interview in the staff beforehand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or they just explain what's going on, especially officiating.
Speaker 2: So we had a lot of those teaching tapes or
Speaker 2: you know, situations to learn from the weird things that
Speaker 2: happened once in a while that Bill likes to talk about.
Speaker 2: So this is a sloppy game.
Speaker 5: This was a while, one intense from the jump, Foxborough
Speaker 5: Stadium is rocking, rocking. We got the old starter jerseys on,
Speaker 5: we got the baggy polos, we got the depleted kakis.
Speaker 5: This was I mean, this is peak nineties football. As
Speaker 5: you said, sloppy game, A little bit six turnovers, six turnovers,
Speaker 5: A little bit sloppy, but still exciting. Two block kicks,
Speaker 5: lead changes or ties seven times. It's back and forth
Speaker 5: all night. The Patriots get out start early with a
Speaker 5: crazy sixty three yard kick return, sets up a quick
Speaker 5: strike to Ben Coates. Pats go up seven to nothing.
Speaker 5: Neil O'Donnell, not not a known runner, runs one in
Speaker 5: to tie it up. Then when Patriots knock again come back,
Speaker 5: Curtis Martin punches one in, go up fourteen to seven
Speaker 5: in the first quarter. Then the second quarter of the
Speaker 5: Jets knocking a field goal. We're at fourteen ten at
Speaker 5: the half. Then in the third mo lewis once again,
Speaker 5: I mean just killing bloodsoe any chance he gets this
Speaker 5: time crazy a pick? I'm sorry, sorry, too soon, still
Speaker 5: too soon? Maybe forty three yard pick six. The Jets
Speaker 5: are up seventeen to forty.
Speaker 2: Oh Lewis, and it's got tight. It's getting tight.
Speaker 5: The Eras gets sucked out of that building.
Speaker 1: I hear, what do you mean it's getting tighter. The
Speaker 1: Patriots had to win this game. They had to win
Speaker 1: this there's no alternative.
Speaker 2: Had to win this game. And it starts going and
Speaker 2: it actually it's going the other way.
Speaker 5: Now now it's like, oh crap, they got the lead,
Speaker 5: Like this is one of like expectations for this Jets team.
Speaker 5: We're still pretty low after one in fifteen season.
Speaker 2: It's almost like it's almost like not even well, we're
Speaker 2: gonna win, It's just we got embarrassed the guy. We
Speaker 2: got embarrass it like winning is like, that's that's happening.
Speaker 2: Like how bad is it going to be?
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Like crazy? Back in now the back and forth really starts.
Speaker 5: Adam Vinitary, mister clutch. This is this is before the
Speaker 5: snow kicks. This is before all that ties it up.
Speaker 5: Seventeen seventeen. Patriots get a stop come back love it,
Speaker 5: Pernales filling in for Ben Coates knocked out. At this point,
Speaker 5: Ben Coates gets knocked out of the game go up
Speaker 5: twenty four to seventeen.
Speaker 2: Late then as we only catch them first catch it Yeah,
Speaker 2: not the ball.
Speaker 5: Not a household name, not no to love it, but
Speaker 5: not a household name. Then we come back. We alluded
Speaker 5: to this one earlier. Keishawn Johnson an incredible back of
Speaker 5: the end zone twenty four yarder from O'Donnell, the one
Speaker 5: time waiting, the one catch. Oh my god, you loved
Speaker 5: you drive.
Speaker 4: How much time left was it?
Speaker 5: Twenty we got like twenty nine seconds left in the game. Yeah,
Speaker 5: twenty four to twenty four? Kickoff?
Speaker 2: Wait then wait, you know what's gonna happen on it?
Speaker 2: Sinsuing kickoff the fumble.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm sorry, Harry Colors. I'm sorry, brother.
Speaker 2: Let's talk.
Speaker 4: Let's talk through that, because I think that was all.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about.
Speaker 4: How do you remember the Kishon Johnson touchdown or that drive?
Speaker 4: Do you remember anything?
Speaker 3: First?
Speaker 4: Angel a while ago, but.
Speaker 2: I already won second. Keishawn and I are friends and
Speaker 2: we were very close to then. And the fact that
Speaker 2: he made that catch, and that guy is a competitor.
Speaker 2: Parceles loved him because he blocked, he worked tough, had
Speaker 2: some personality to him. They really clicked from the beginning,
Speaker 2: and I was I was happy for him that he
Speaker 2: made that play. That was I mean, that was I
Speaker 2: don't know if the game it's tied without that play.
Speaker 5: Were you in the press box for this one?
Speaker 2: I was, Okay, yeah, I was. John notes to Dave
Speaker 2: Jennings in the radio, guys, because.
Speaker 4: The commentary in the from the broadcast was that Johnson
Speaker 4: was a little bit kind of where was he in
Speaker 4: the when we need him the most for the Jets
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter. Wasn't a lot of plays they
Speaker 4: weren't really going to him. So this big play at
Speaker 4: the end was kind of like, oh, here he is
Speaker 4: a big moment, big play shows up. Great catch in
Speaker 4: the corner, ties the game or ties the game, right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, who's his quarterback exactly? And he's come on, guys,
Speaker 2: all right, take us through what are the announcers?
Speaker 4: Well, so you remember what happened after that, right with
Speaker 4: the Can you walk us through that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? The scores? Okay, so now there's what thirty something
Speaker 2: seconds left? Game is going to go to overtime most likely,
Speaker 2: right right? Right? But no, no, I mean how often
Speaker 2: does a kickoff return get fumbled? Not very oft not
Speaker 2: very often at all.
Speaker 1: Buffalo two nine opener, right, remember scared Weather knocked him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think I do keep them absolutely the
Speaker 2: same kind of similar situation too. At the end, you
Speaker 2: need a score, right, well, this was tied, so so
Speaker 2: now so he fumbles, Jets recover and now the Jets
Speaker 2: are going to win like somehow because the Patriots have
Speaker 2: been in control most of the way and there's kind
Speaker 2: of wacky plays here, and they now the Jets are
Speaker 2: going to win. Just run it down, line up for
Speaker 2: a short field goal and this is gonna be a
Speaker 2: catastrophe in New England. So line up for the field goal.
Speaker 2: It gets blocked. Rookie giant, rookie John Hall. Right, they
Speaker 2: came in parcels after that. I don't I don't think
Speaker 2: he I don't think he showed it. But I think
Speaker 2: after after Keishawan, you saw him after that, after he
Speaker 2: scored a touchdown, I think he thought we might steal
Speaker 2: this game, and it was there to be stolen. So
Speaker 2: now we go to overtime and you know what happens here, Curtis, Yes,
Speaker 2: but for that before that, Patriots, Patriots get the ball, okay,
Speaker 2: move it a little bit. Interception Otis Smith, his future
Speaker 2: Patriot and Super Bowl contributor. Otis Smith intercepts the ball,
Speaker 2: who tackles him by the way after he intercepts the
Speaker 2: past Troy Brown made tackle. He might have had some
Speaker 2: room to run with Troy tackle them and never gives
Speaker 2: up on a play San Diego. Troy talked about it
Speaker 2: yesterday with the balls at midfield. So again another chance,
Speaker 2: but nothing happens there as sack or penalty or whatever.
Speaker 2: So now punt it back to New England and then
Speaker 2: Curtis Martin all the way down, all the way down
Speaker 2: the Adam Elementary lines up.
Speaker 1: What's the flight home? You guys lose heartbreak overtime. Should
Speaker 1: have won that game.
Speaker 2: That game for the Jets is just unfortunate because of
Speaker 2: what it could have been. But it wasn't what it
Speaker 2: would have been if it were if you were the
Speaker 2: Patriots and loss. You know, it was disappointed that, you know,
Speaker 2: you had those games like it. Really it would have
Speaker 2: been nice. You know, it's unfortunate. Were shame to shame
Speaker 2: it didn't happen off on the Jets side for parcels
Speaker 2: and all that and getting the program going. But it
Speaker 2: was a different level than the side the New England side.
Speaker 1: How are you in the locker room at the end
Speaker 1: of the game when Parcels is addressing the team.
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't really in there. It's probably about the
Speaker 2: Monday were you there? Were you in a team meeting?
Speaker 2: I wasn't really in the team meetings at that at
Speaker 2: that stage of your career. Yeah. I started that in
Speaker 2: two thousand.
Speaker 5: On this game, as we just said, Adam Viniterry knocks
Speaker 5: one home after an incredible drive by led by Curtis
Speaker 5: Martin in overtime after the Patriots got the ball back
Speaker 5: sixty two yards and nine plays. Forty two of those
Speaker 5: yards were just Curtis Martin rushes. Patriots win twenty seven
Speaker 5: twenty four. Curtis Martin ran the ball forty times, forty
Speaker 5: carries whatety nine yards? One touchdown, go ahead, guys.
Speaker 4: I pined for this era of football, just like I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna give it to my back and we're just
Speaker 4: gonna go down the field. We're gonna punch it in.
Speaker 4: You're just not gonna do anything about it.
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry to tell you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not thirteen seconds left. Oh we can get two
Speaker 4: scores here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 5: I like my backs wearing big elbow. You know, I
Speaker 5: mean one of the best, most exciting Week three games
Speaker 5: we've ever even mentioned on this show or ever incredible.
Speaker 2: However much it could get ramped up, That's what it was.
Speaker 2: It was like, I mean different because everyone went, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the biggest comeback game, come home game is Tom.
Speaker 2: You know, came back with Tampa and that was massive.
Speaker 2: But it was a different vive. It was love for Tom.
Speaker 2: It was different sort of methods of promotion and hype.
Speaker 2: You know, this was this was kind of old school.
Speaker 1: This is Oldirio. You hate thetriol can. That's a high syllable.
Speaker 2: Word that me and you do not know what did
Speaker 2: Bill saying that you impressed? Unimpressed. I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: follow that lights footsteps here.
Speaker 5: And the storylines continue. After the game New England, we
Speaker 5: get out to a five and one start, finished ten
Speaker 5: and six, losing the division round of Pittsburgh. The Jets
Speaker 5: would beat the Patriots twenty four to nineteen get a
Speaker 5: little revenge in the Week eight matchup in the Meadowlands.
Speaker 5: Jets would ultimately finish nine and seven, third in the
Speaker 5: AFC East and just narrowly missed the playoffs, but it
Speaker 5: doesn't in there a couple of years down the road.
Speaker 5: But wait, there's more. Paul Tagliabu is earning his money
Speaker 5: between this rivalry. I mean, he's got to be sitting
Speaker 5: at his desk like these guys again, these guys again.
Speaker 5: A couple of years later, back in ninety nine, Bill
Speaker 5: Pauls steps down as the head coach of the Jets,
Speaker 5: and then there's the plan in place for Bill to
Speaker 5: succeed him, right right then Pete Carroll also fired in
Speaker 5: New England in ninety nine, so the New England jobs open.
Speaker 5: Then we infamously get the Bill Belichick spinning one day
Speaker 5: as head coach of the Jets.
Speaker 2: The napkin before we do that, I don't think it
Speaker 2: was a napkin, by the one. It was no napkin. Huh,
Speaker 2: No napkin.
Speaker 5: What was it?
Speaker 2: A piece of paper?
Speaker 5: Okay? Okay?
Speaker 4: And who does he give this to?
Speaker 2: My understanding is he gave it to the team president,
Speaker 2: Steve Govan.
Speaker 5: This was at the press conference, like this was?
Speaker 2: This was I think the day before okay, maybe the
Speaker 2: morning off, I can't remember.
Speaker 4: So before we get to the actual resignation in the Patriots,
Speaker 4: I just watched the Two Bills documentary NFL Films last night,
Speaker 4: Ken Rogers Shadow n F Films, We Love You.
Speaker 2: I Love You.
Speaker 4: There was a supposedly a fax that came true from
Speaker 4: the Patriots organization to the Jets organization saying they wanted
Speaker 4: to interview coach Belichick to potentially be their head coach.
Speaker 4: There's some intrigue, there's some stuff. Do you have any
Speaker 4: insight on on what happened there?
Speaker 2: I think it was taken and bald of and throwing
Speaker 2: out that's what I heard.
Speaker 4: And that led to parcels resigning to kind of trigger
Speaker 4: like this.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean that. I think that it was. The intent
Speaker 2: was this doesn't mean anything because other contractual things are
Speaker 2: in the works underway, so's invalid. The uh, the processes
Speaker 2: of requesting permission and all that. Like, it's come a
Speaker 2: long way, It's come a long way.
Speaker 4: Do you you're interstructle with coach Belichick at this time?
Speaker 4: Do you have any conversations about this going on? Or
Speaker 4: is he operating on his own with just all this
Speaker 4: information and wanting to move some stuff?
Speaker 1: So how does Bill get you to we got a
Speaker 1: napping gait whatever? This that whatever not an a piece
Speaker 1: of paper out there? How does Bill ask you to come?
Speaker 2: Hey, Bears, you come with me?
Speaker 1: How'd he ask you?
Speaker 4: Bears?
Speaker 2: You know you've worked really hard. You know you're a
Speaker 2: New York guy. Like what? I don't think there was
Speaker 2: ever one like specific conversation on this like Bill got.
Speaker 2: Bill was interviewed for a job the previous year, the Raiders,
Speaker 2: and you know how it is like we started, we
Speaker 2: formed a relationship and you know, we talked about things. Whatever.
Speaker 2: It wasn't specifically like, all right, I'm getting this job,
Speaker 2: this is your job, let's go do it. You just
Speaker 2: kind of get a vibe like you want to kind
Speaker 2: of feels like we might have a future together. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't a specific moment in time. Never huh.
Speaker 1: He always keeps you in that gray. He always keeps
Speaker 1: you that grey. Is that is Jedi mind trick?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think that's an overrated thing too,
Speaker 2: about like how calculating he is on every last thing,
Speaker 2: Because he is calculating on a lot of things when
Speaker 2: it comes to football, but not every last thing. So
Speaker 2: many press conferences that he was laid for. He was
Speaker 2: coming from a meeting where he was locked in on
Speaker 2: whatever that was, And thirty seconds later he's in a
Speaker 2: press off. He wasn't just going over like every last
Speaker 2: thing he was going to say and message to put
Speaker 2: out there, like he's not that smart. Oh he's smart,
Speaker 2: and he probably did do that sometimes. But is this
Speaker 2: a little bit urban legend?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, for sure. I mean he wasn't saying Foxboro
Speaker 5: High every minute like everyone says, Napkins, this.
Speaker 2: Is see this is bullshit. Three ring no pad?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, like a gentleman Napkins over here? Could he's
Speaker 5: a number at a bar? Come on, man, we're just
Speaker 5: spelling rumors. I like, we're debunking over here today MythBusters
Speaker 5: Games with Names Edition.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 5: But but just to wrap this up and put a
Speaker 5: neat bow on it, Bears, could you help us since
Speaker 5: you live through this and you were on the ground,
Speaker 5: boots on the ground in the building. Kind of the
Speaker 5: timeline of events of Bill getting hired by the Jets, Parcels, resigning,
Speaker 5: and then making the jump to New York, like how
Speaker 5: that played out? Just the card of events?
Speaker 2: So was it, Napkin? And then you guys just got
Speaker 2: in the station wagon and this was something? These are
Speaker 2: like ten these are tense times here tense times. I'm
Speaker 2: not like and again I'm not in the parcels like
Speaker 2: Jets executive circles all the time. I'm not like meandering
Speaker 2: in and out of these conversations. Yeah you are. That's
Speaker 2: a different you know what, different me? That was the
Speaker 2: That was the old me.
Speaker 4: There was a there was a line in the New
Speaker 4: York Times where it says, where you position yourself on
Speaker 4: every press conferences out of sight but with an earshot.
Speaker 2: I tried. I was actually in that press conference. I'll
Speaker 2: never forget where it was like in the Jets auditorium,
Speaker 2: was like halfway up on the left side, just watching.
Speaker 2: Like one thing the media doesn't like, especially like New
Speaker 2: York media or Boston. They don't like things that take
Speaker 2: them completely by surprise. They don't really like that, especially
Speaker 2: if they don't have like they didn't see it coming.
Speaker 2: They don't have a great explanation. That's that's not like
Speaker 2: great area.
Speaker 1: It's like a movie like Bill's just going up there
Speaker 1: and then he announces He's not going like ah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on?
Speaker 4: He like winks to the camera and then that's the
Speaker 4: end of the season.
Speaker 2: Flash next season, Patriots like a.
Speaker 4: Smirk like a season succession, season two ending.
Speaker 5: I still remember those Jets Cadillac step in repeats that
Speaker 5: were always behind the body.
Speaker 2: Right, you know who had the Cadillac deal, Bill Parcells.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, he drew up. That was his car, Cadillac.
Speaker 2: I think he drove it, like to Florida. He didn't
Speaker 2: like to fly. I think he drove it when he
Speaker 2: went down there and in a winter, you know, like
Speaker 2: right after the season until whenever he came back.
Speaker 5: He drove thatbile.
Speaker 4: That's such a new New England or Northeastern like New
Speaker 4: Jersey kind of like going to Florida.
Speaker 5: Move doesn't take lit up the Cadillac.
Speaker 4: We're going to Florida. So to kind of wrap up
Speaker 4: this thing, maybe the borrowface for you, what's the theme
Speaker 4: of this Coach Belichick Jets to Patriots transition transfer that happens?
Speaker 2: What is the drama? Drama and that's all we're just trying,
Speaker 2: we're trying to eliminate distractions. Well, that was the wrong
Speaker 2: place for you, because that's that's a lot of drama.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the that's the Patriot jet theme that
Speaker 2: the drama. Yeah, just drama never stopped, never stopped. The
Speaker 2: music never.
Speaker 5: Stopped Dead Reference Baby, and we came on.
Speaker 1: And it never stopped that you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy that little car ride in that station wagon.
Speaker 1: Little did we know about six seven years later when
Speaker 1: no little man Genie takes jet job.
Speaker 2: I thought we'd all just be in your car.
Speaker 1: I thought we'd all be in the car just listen
Speaker 1: to dead Bruce Springsteing Bond Job. And then you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, man Genie, you know a drama, drama,
Speaker 1: and that's the theme.
Speaker 2: Yeah drama. I forgot. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Two blinks for yeah drama.
Speaker 1: Well, could Bill have built the success that the Patriots
Speaker 1: had with the Jets if he were to be the
Speaker 1: Jets head coach right now?
Speaker 2: I don't think he could. I think the Jets are
Speaker 2: just right.
Speaker 4: Let's go sorry to every frim alternate reality coach. Belichick
Speaker 4: was named head coach for that day, had things worked
Speaker 4: out and he stayed. Do you think he could have
Speaker 4: built what was built in New England in that organization,
Speaker 4: with what was the pieces that were there?
Speaker 2: Well, I know that Bill already knew how build how
Speaker 2: to build a team. He built one in Cleveland. You
Speaker 2: can go. There've been documentaries about the nineteen ninety five
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns and what that eventually became. So he knew
Speaker 2: how to build a team. It would be a reach
Speaker 2: for me to say it would have been six super
Speaker 2: Bowls and all that, because as you know, and I
Speaker 2: feel I get the question. You got the question, Bill
Speaker 2: or Tom whatever, it's everybody, man, It's everybody to everybody.
Speaker 2: So it helps to have the best at the two
Speaker 2: most important positions, head coaching, quarterback, Like it helps to
Speaker 2: have that. I was gonna say three best positions football ops, quarterback,
Speaker 2: head coach. Yeah, sorry, so being honest, Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: got everybody else, because that's it didn't just happen, and
Speaker 2: it takes people. You know. Did he ever talk.
Speaker 1: About what he learned in his time in Cleveland, Belichick
Speaker 1: like the mistakes, Like on the car right up with
Speaker 1: you and Manginie. Was he sitting there like, all right, guys,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm probably not going to do this one.
Speaker 1: We're not going to do the PB and J Live TV.
Speaker 2: I don't think he mentioned that, but he form of
Speaker 2: team building and football standpoint, Now, he didn't not with
Speaker 2: me so much. I'm sure he had those conversations with
Speaker 2: Scott Pioli and Ernie because those are the guys that
Speaker 2: really kind of set the tone to building the team.
Speaker 2: But from my standpoint kind of off the field, it was, yeah,
Speaker 2: he was too much in the weeds and the details
Speaker 2: on everything, even things that are important but someone else
Speaker 2: can handle. Yeah, you know, see the big picture more,
Speaker 2: which he definitely said that. You know, even though he
Speaker 2: probably still feels like he's in the wiz and a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff, but maybe not as much as it
Speaker 2: was in Cleveland.
Speaker 4: So delegation and like building an organization team that you
Speaker 4: can trust to handle those kind of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he definitely said that. How do you sum up
Speaker 2: Parcels Jets era, it was becoming more professional outfit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're good players there when he got there. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then he added some more, but it was about running
Speaker 2: a professional program, which you know what that is is details,
Speaker 2: it's work. It's like not losing a game, not losing
Speaker 2: a game, seriously, not losing a practice. Yeah, no question.
Speaker 2: Every day manters bear shaming guys out of the training room.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: That means that if if you can be out there practicing,
Speaker 2: then be out there practicing like Rabel would do this
Speaker 2: like you you didn't see it, but like there'd be
Speaker 2: like some young guys in the training room, like you
Speaker 2: get them out of there. You can't make the club
Speaker 2: in the tub. Fact, you can't make the old club
Speaker 2: in the tub.
Speaker 4: After we're a bathing suit in the tub.
Speaker 1: Yes we I mean we have gray shorts. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: communal shorts. You don't want to just be sitting in
Speaker 1: the hot tub and all sudden, I.
Speaker 5: Know, unless your name is Bill Belichick, Unless your name
Speaker 5: is Bill Belichick. Right, and he left over questions, Jack,
Speaker 5: I got a bunch, I got a million, but I'll
Speaker 5: set on one.
Speaker 2: You got to get another plug for BC. We got
Speaker 2: the whole thing. Billy. Oh, we gotta get Billy O
Speaker 2: on too.
Speaker 5: You want to get on.
Speaker 2: He talked about you all night.
Speaker 5: I still don't believe. I still don't believe.
Speaker 2: But he wor's Jack, I was next to I want
Speaker 2: to believe.
Speaker 5: I love Bill Billet. We miss I almost said hey,
Speaker 5: but we were in like room and it was awkward. Along.
Speaker 2: It's a long coffee break that I just took.
Speaker 5: All right, all right, last one there's it's Bill Belichick
Speaker 5: has become sort of infamous for the postgame press conferences,
Speaker 5: the on to Cincinnatis, the all of these these soundbites
Speaker 5: that have like may taken on lives of their owns.
Speaker 5: Is it true that, like from Cleveland and over the years,
Speaker 5: you were sort of the Belichick whisper of how to
Speaker 5: craft the news conference and to soften some of those
Speaker 5: edges that may have been there in Cleveland?
Speaker 2: Probably probably some of that, okay, but not all Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: Bill is Bill, Like we didn't rehearse, Okay.
Speaker 5: I didn't know if there were coaching points on the media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are some coaching points on you know, delivery.
Speaker 2: Listen Bill's Bill in the end. But I think if
Speaker 2: you watched the Cleveland version, the new England version probably
Speaker 2: looks a little different.
Speaker 1: So what's he gonna look like in the next version?
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, what do you know? I
Speaker 2: don't know? But what I do know? What do I
Speaker 2: What do I want? I want to know?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What do you want to know? Let's just do a
Speaker 2: little let's just do a little control, Let's do a
Speaker 2: little what ifs. I know we don't have a big
Speaker 2: in the what if game, but what a hypotheticals.
Speaker 1: What if the Dallas Cowboys go eleven and six South
Speaker 1: losing the first round, fire the coaching staff bring in Belichick,
Speaker 1: bringing Josh McDaniels, bringing Scott Pioli, and they have one
Speaker 1: guy that they're calling, Hey, bears, are you gonna come
Speaker 1: join us?
Speaker 2: Are you on that?
Speaker 1: Are you are you gonna go on? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: circle up with the wagon and.
Speaker 2: Go go Eagles? Listen? In January? Okay, look like there
Speaker 2: was a decent chance he was going to Atlanta, like
Speaker 2: some legitimate interviews, right, and then he didn't go to Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Billy O'Brien was the offensive coordinator. Ohiose state? And now
Speaker 2: is that b Sie? You don't know? It's going to
Speaker 2: go so crazy?
Speaker 1: Tune Go Eagles, stay tuned, Go Eagles. Oh so oh,
Speaker 1: this is so if Sirianni goes eleven and six and
Speaker 1: they fired him after a first round EXO Boston College Eagle.
Speaker 2: Est in College? What's the fight song? We have a
Speaker 2: fight song. There's a fight song Billy loves to play
Speaker 2: out of practice. Oh my god, I haven't learned the
Speaker 2: whole thing yet, so I'm new, just trying to learn. Man, Jack,
Speaker 2: where did we go, we missed anything.
Speaker 5: We're pretty darn clean this episode. Thankfully. Charlie Wise did
Speaker 5: indeed get his start in the Parcels regime with the
Speaker 5: Jets back as a coaching assistant.
Speaker 1: Coaching assistant, So Charlie's office used to have. We used
Speaker 1: to have an office dedicated to Charlie.
Speaker 2: If people had no idea, people had no idea, people
Speaker 2: had no idea. It was just referred to as they
Speaker 2: had no clues. He had never coached before because it
Speaker 2: was years after he was gone. But it wouldn't go
Speaker 2: me in Charlie's office. WILLI oh had Charlie's office? He
Speaker 2: did for a while when I was there.
Speaker 4: Just said he had his own office where he would
Speaker 4: blast John Mayer out of after our hard practice.
Speaker 1: Can you confirm that I had? I had a couple
Speaker 1: offices bears.
Speaker 2: Nos, love John Mayor, We love Mayor. We'll be right
Speaker 2: back after this quick break. All right, let's name the game.
Speaker 1: This is a segment where we score the game, we
Speaker 1: name the game, and uh, you're the guest, so we're
Speaker 1: doing the name of the game. We have the Tuna Bowl,
Speaker 1: we have the Tuna melt Down. Their return of the
Speaker 1: Tuna Bill mcgeddon or the Spicy tunabl or anything that
Speaker 1: you can think of. What is the name of this game?
Speaker 2: Week three ninety seven Jets Pats.
Speaker 6: Name of the game bears like the Tuna Bowl tunabyl
Speaker 6: there it is the tune up Bowl, the Tuna Bowl.
Speaker 6: Name co which is coming back and playing against his
Speaker 6: former team. Let's score the game? Is this the greatest
Speaker 6: game of all time? Let's score it?
Speaker 1: Stakes one to ten decimal's okay, bears the stakes of
Speaker 1: a week three game.
Speaker 2: Steaks because there are lots of different stakes. There's standings,
Speaker 2: there's I'd say, oh, what's my what's my scoring system?
Speaker 2: One to ten descinals?
Speaker 1: Okay, decimals one.
Speaker 2: There's some high stakes in this game. High one mean rible. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going nine nine steaks nice regular.
Speaker 5: Stakes high regular line but means very high.
Speaker 1: And then also the rule changes because of all the
Speaker 1: contract tamp rings and this and that and can they go?
Speaker 2: Is he the head coach? Is he not the I
Speaker 2: mean this is a lot of a lot of snakes.
Speaker 4: Star Power Jewels had a six point nine jacket of
Speaker 4: seven point three. I had a six point nine as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, star Power okay. Hall of Fame coaches everywhere, coaches players,
Speaker 2: it would be a maximum Hall of Fame players, Curtis Martin,
Speaker 2: ty Law, Adam to be quarterback, you know, Drew Patriot
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, other tons of patrio. I'm going uh,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go nine as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jewels, you had a seven point eight jacket, a
Speaker 4: six point two.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, seven. They're hard graders.
Speaker 4: Whether you just did a game with what twenty two
Speaker 4: Hall of Famers, super Bowl nine versus Vikings.
Speaker 1: Game, Player of the game, little sloppy six turnovers, but
Speaker 1: it was for the viewer kind of fun, especially nineties.
Speaker 2: I'll go I'll go lower on that one. Let's go
Speaker 2: six six.
Speaker 4: Jewels had a seven point seven. Jack had a seven
Speaker 4: point ninety seven point six.
Speaker 2: And the name of the game the Tuna Bowl. That's
Speaker 2: a classic classic name because you know, you know it's
Speaker 2: a good name when there's they actually named, you know,
Speaker 2: have sequels Tuna two three, like they had other ones.
Speaker 2: So I'll go, uh, eight and a half on this one,
Speaker 2: eight and a half. Yeah, he's Jewels with an eighth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, say Jack with an eight point nine and myself
Speaker 4: with line.
Speaker 1: A seven to seven to one. Where's that stand in
Speaker 1: our games that puts us okay to.
Speaker 4: Above another Jets Patriots game that can't wait game.
Speaker 1: Can Rich Eisen he wanted, he requested that game, Bears.
Speaker 2: It's a bad game. He's a Jet fan.
Speaker 1: Because of that, I had to tell his sweet beautiful
Speaker 1: wife that I will not come over for Shabbat dinner
Speaker 1: because he requested this this dinner.
Speaker 5: We don't forget for this game. We don't forget.
Speaker 4: It's also just behind, only one hundredth of a point
Speaker 4: behind the Super Bowl twenty one Giants versus Broncos Bears.
Speaker 2: Do we miss anything? I think I think you covered
Speaker 2: it pretty good.
Speaker 1: Do we cover it pretty good? Or is there something
Speaker 1: else just sticking in that sponge of a brain you have?
Speaker 2: We plugged. Maybe I'll be back. You never know. You
Speaker 2: know you're coming back.
Speaker 1: And if you're happy, we got something to plug other
Speaker 1: than Boston.
Speaker 4: One more thing is we're talking about Boston College. I'm
Speaker 4: a big Virginia Tech guy. Is the ACC gonna make it?
Speaker 4: What's happening?
Speaker 2: He'll make it? I mean the a C look sec
Speaker 2: and and no, it's still football revenue whatever, it's eighty
Speaker 2: percent or more like Okay, I'm just married. But in
Speaker 2: terms of revenues and all that. The third behind of
Speaker 2: like thirty conferences. It's behind a big ten of the
Speaker 2: a SEC with a longer TV contract. So ACC is
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. I don't think. I don't. Obviously we will.
Speaker 2: There's a lot still to be ironed out here, but
Speaker 2: I think they're on the right Jack, Charlie Breaker, Charlie Baker, Baby,
Speaker 2: Charlie Baker.
Speaker 4: It's an ECC podcast, I'm gonna say, Charley, Jack disagrees.
Speaker 2: Okay, you see what else?
Speaker 1: A lot of good things going on there, A lot
Speaker 1: of great things at Boston College.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming to what else? We got some Armenia updates.
Speaker 2: We don't want to go there going it'll be it'll
Speaker 2: be powerful, it would be very powerful. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of unfortunate things happen over there.
Speaker 2: A lot of you get that don't get the publicity
Speaker 2: that other crises get. It's too bad. It is a
Speaker 2: bigger fish to fry in this world at times. But
Speaker 2: our meetings are very resilient. But we are recognizing that
Speaker 2: here on Games with Names. Thank you, we are a
Speaker 2: right big deal. Bill.
Speaker 1: We love you, Bears love you, and I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming on. It's it's been awesome to pick your brain
Speaker 1: in a different way than I usually do, just walking
Speaker 1: by your office and drawing a little picture on your
Speaker 1: your whiteboard or something.
Speaker 2: He did, he did, You know what? My a favorite one.
Speaker 2: So there's a whiteboard in the hallway for whatever, announcements
Speaker 2: or whatever, and it's usually like official, thanks, okay, except
Speaker 2: for except for this guy. I would put other things,
Speaker 2: like there was a time when everybody was moaning about
Speaker 2: like publicly media. You know, things are too hard at
Speaker 2: the Patriots, no one has fun, blah blah blah. One day,
Speaker 2: what's the message? Winning is fun? Winning is fun.
Speaker 5: Put that on a T shirt.
Speaker 2: Winning is fun makes everything else worth it.
Speaker 1: And then I went away from my four game vacation
Speaker 1: and I came back. He was still there, and it
Speaker 1: stayed on that board all year long.
Speaker 2: We went and won a super Bowl. That was fun.
Speaker 1: Parades are fun. Hell yeah, right out here, right out here.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks bro, Appreciate you, bears, love you.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Guys. Talk about a mythical character, old Bear.
Speaker 5: What a guy, What a guy, What a guy. He's
Speaker 5: one of those guys you only hear about. And he's
Speaker 5: referencing stories and he's right. We've heard about him a
Speaker 5: lot in our our Patriots episodes this season. Now putting
Speaker 5: a face to the name and a name to the
Speaker 5: Lord's that was awesome. What a treat.
Speaker 1: It was awesome to get him to come in here.
Speaker 1: And I know he he was pretty excited about this.
Speaker 1: He always talks. He always like dms me on Instagram
Speaker 1: and stuff. Like the guy who used to pretty much
Speaker 1: watch all of Instagram. To have him like actually comment
Speaker 1: on like something good about our Instagram.
Speaker 2: Pretty cool. I like that or TikTok or whatever it
Speaker 2: is social, but uh, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And I actually got a chance to go talk to
Speaker 1: the BC football team, uh and it with Billy O'Brien
Speaker 1: and Bears there and then talk to their whole football team,
Speaker 1: and it was It was pretty cool. A bunch of
Speaker 1: hungry guys and you get to tell them some of
Speaker 1: the stories and some of the things that helped me
Speaker 1: along my football career. Anytime you get to do that
Speaker 1: to a younger group, future generation, it you know, it
Speaker 1: makes you feel young.
Speaker 2: I didn't get to watch practice, but there's some big
Speaker 2: guys in there.
Speaker 5: We didn't we didn't have an Applewood situation. Did we No,
Speaker 5: that was Billy not Applewood situation. I know Billy coach O'Bryant.
Speaker 5: They're gonna do good. You know, Billy O's a smart
Speaker 5: football coach. He's passionate and uh, from just seeing the
Speaker 5: looks in these guys eyes, you can always kind of
Speaker 5: tell who's who's who's looking at the guy and you know,
Speaker 5: I've been in a couple of plays all this guy,
Speaker 5: what do we even hear for?
Speaker 2: You know, they were all pretty dialed and glued, you know,
Speaker 2: so it was cool to see them.
Speaker 1: It was awesome to campus is beautiful there, it's beautiful campus.
Speaker 4: Excited to see what Bill does.
Speaker 2: Me too, Billy O, Bears, that was That was a
Speaker 2: fun day.
Speaker 5: I think they're turning us into be BC fans. We
Speaker 5: got to come back and when they're playing, I'm down.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: He's so sweet.
Speaker 5: Those are two guys. Those guys are guys who want
Speaker 5: to root for. Granted we're Patriots rummers, but Bears and
Speaker 5: Billy ore just awesome dudes.
Speaker 2: Awesome dude, awesome guys. I love Billy.
Speaker 1: Oh's a huge part of you know, me being in
Speaker 1: the league and having the success that I had he
Speaker 1: I mean he was Him and Chaddie O'Shea were the
Speaker 1: first people that Bill laid some tape on the desk
Speaker 1: and said, give me a write up on this kid.
Speaker 2: He reminded me today that it wasn't for being a quarterback.
Speaker 2: He reminded me, Man.
Speaker 5: It was so cool to get to see Billy O
Speaker 5: at uh at Brady Night too. He's just he's a fan.
Speaker 5: He's a great love.
Speaker 4: He like came up to me and was like, I
Speaker 4: love the show. It's anything okay, No, I was even
Speaker 4: listening to Baron Davis like he's like trying to say
Speaker 4: how much of a head he was so like he
Speaker 4: was like, what am I gonna be on the show?
Speaker 4: So well, have to find a time. We'll get him
Speaker 4: to the show.
Speaker 5: Man, I would do anything for BILLYO on the shows.
Speaker 5: He was so had such kind words to say to us,
Speaker 5: and it was I was I was tickled to get
Speaker 5: to hear how how much of a fan he was.
Speaker 5: And it was really embarrassing you look up to saying
Speaker 5: he's a fan of us. Yeah, what you say about Bear?
Speaker 2: Sorry?
Speaker 4: And it was this was a great episode, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love that he gave us some stuff, but he
Speaker 4: didn't give us everything. You know, he still was buttoned up.
Speaker 4: He told some stories here that you probably wouldn't have
Speaker 4: got when he was still with the Patriots, but he
Speaker 4: didn't tell everything.
Speaker 5: I liked that, and then I gotta I got a
Speaker 5: quick jack correction from this episode. I believe I failed
Speaker 5: to mention a big part of this game. Hugh Douglas,
Speaker 5: the Jets best pass rusher, was out this game with
Speaker 5: a groin injury. So that was a big storyline. Headed
Speaker 5: Oh I forgot to touch on that. Oh God, thank
Speaker 5: you Douglas, maybe Division two guy, great pass rusher. I
Speaker 5: failed to mention that in the lead up, and it's
Speaker 5: been eating at me ever since.
Speaker 2: Well, we were were happy you got it cleared up.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you. Man. I just I it's some
Speaker 5: nostalgia for this era of football. Starter polo shirts, pleated khakis,
Speaker 5: guys coaches with big got a history in this game.
Speaker 5: It was great. What a great choice by by Bears.
Speaker 5: That was That was awesome.
Speaker 2: It was awesome. But now let's hit the old hot line.
Speaker 1: And I remember and remember that number is four two
Speaker 1: four two nine two nine zero.
Speaker 2: Hit the old hot line. Let's see what we got.
Speaker 7: Yo was what's a Buffalo bluer right here? Big seven
Speaker 7: one six head? Honestly, even though you would player, I gotta.
Speaker 2: Say, I love the podcast, I love the story.
Speaker 7: You gotta talk about a man. If I had one person,
Speaker 7: I request you have on the who you have Freddy
Speaker 7: Frad or try to get Freddy fred on their Big
Speaker 7: twenty two.
Speaker 2: I grew up watching that.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: I feel like you two will be able to talk
Speaker 7: about all of the nice Bill games, Bill Petriots games
Speaker 7: that I have back then, yeah, playing out Orchard Park especially.
Speaker 2: He can talk about some one of.
Speaker 7: The Miami games, and then y'all I can probably talk
Speaker 7: about that too, because Miami in that division two. All right,
Speaker 7: just keep it up to appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Is this a Bill's Mafia fan calling in?
Speaker 5: I think so we're even converting Bill's Mafia to be
Speaker 5: games with name SAIDs.
Speaker 2: I like that. I always love the Bill Mafias of
Speaker 2: the Bill's Mafia.
Speaker 1: And anytime I go anywhere, if I'm at like a
Speaker 1: sporting event thing, I end up hanging a Buffalo fan
Speaker 1: is always like hanging heckling me. But honestly, awesome dudes
Speaker 1: or ladies, you know, I had there's a guy with
Speaker 1: his wife. We were at something for the win, and
Speaker 1: like we were sitting next to each other, and I
Speaker 1: feel like it's either a Boston there's always either non
Speaker 1: Boston fans that like hang out will have like Bill's
Speaker 1: Ma Mafia, and there's always like a Philly person.
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Randomly I was skiing somewhere or snowboarding somewhere and ended
Speaker 1: up hanging out.
Speaker 2: With this Philly guy.
Speaker 1: Hated me for the first two seconds, but then opens
Speaker 1: up like the greatest dude ever, you know. But we
Speaker 1: gotta get Freddie Fred Is he talking about Fred Jackson?
Speaker 5: I think so. That took me a second.
Speaker 1: Yes, Fred Jackson. I mean he was a really good
Speaker 1: football player running back.
Speaker 2: He tore us up.
Speaker 1: Remember Bill always giving him great highlights, Like Bill would
Speaker 1: always give like a twelve thirteen play cut up on
Speaker 1: the running backs for the Buffalo Bills. How they didn't
Speaker 1: always get the highest recognition, but they were always just
Speaker 1: the toughest, toughest guys.
Speaker 4: We gotta do a Bills game where they win. We've
Speaker 4: done a couple of them with it.
Speaker 1: We definitely gotta get a bit. We gotta give some
Speaker 1: some wins.
Speaker 5: Man Fred Jackson of co College and see the Rapids.
Speaker 5: Iowa love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, D three.
Speaker 5: We also got to get Fred Taylor, speaking of Freddy,
Speaker 5: Fred's on.
Speaker 2: That's where I thought Fred Taylor.
Speaker 5: And then I put the context clues of Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Now we'll we'll have to get him on.
Speaker 5: I'm down.
Speaker 1: We appreciate the call. Blu Ray Buffalo Buffalo Blue Ray.
Speaker 5: Not to be confused with DVD player Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys, Luk here from California.
Speaker 4: I just want to say, been a very good podcast.
Speaker 2: With these last few episodes, Bangers.
Speaker 5: One game I would like you guys to go over
Speaker 5: is the Bills versus the Chiefs the Divisional round game
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: That must be the greatest.
Speaker 7: Playoff game I have ever seen.
Speaker 2: What do you guys think?
Speaker 7: Very high game of point, very good back and forth
Speaker 7: versus the great Josh Allen and the great Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 2: I think it will be a very good episode to
Speaker 2: hear on either the Bills side or from the chief side.
Speaker 4: All in all, a very good game appreciated.
Speaker 1: Think again, Luke, you're one hundred percent correct. That's a
Speaker 1: that's a phenomenal game. That game revolutionized you know a
Speaker 1: lot of what the league's gone into. That was the
Speaker 1: game We're thirteen or whatever how many seconds. You know
Speaker 1: how explosive the league has gotten. And it's because of
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. Guys like Patrick Mahomes and guys like Josh
Speaker 1: Allen who just they're never out of it.
Speaker 2: That that that is going to be on the show.
Speaker 2: We just got to dial out who we're going to
Speaker 2: put up on there.
Speaker 4: I think this is our one of our most requested
Speaker 4: games outside of the USC Texas game. I think this
Speaker 4: is maybe the second most requested.
Speaker 5: Game that game is. It still just baffles me that
Speaker 5: we had a game that good, that was incredible, incredible.
Speaker 4: I know that, Like I'm like a wet blanket guy.
Speaker 4: It's my whole thing. I hated this game. I hate
Speaker 4: that it was just like basketball at the end, like
Speaker 4: it was just like, oh, who's going to have the balls?
Speaker 4: Is gonna score? All offense? Defense might not even play,
Speaker 4: So I know, I'm I know, I'm like the wet
Speaker 4: blanket annoying guy here. And I'd love to do this
Speaker 4: game because it's fun to talk about, but I personally
Speaker 4: don't love this game.
Speaker 5: That's even such a good game we man forget the
Speaker 5: guys from each side on if we could, if we
Speaker 5: could somehow that team, it's it's a must do. We
Speaker 5: gotta do it.
Speaker 1: I would love to hear their perspective of going into
Speaker 1: those last drives and you know, just what what were
Speaker 1: the coaches saying?
Speaker 4: Also like the balls on my homes Like thirteen seconds,
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I got this, we got this,
Speaker 4: we got this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and didn't turn out good for them as we
Speaker 2: just had went for one. We gotta get it. We
Speaker 2: gotta get some more wins for the bill.
Speaker 4: That's the bills, like right there, the next one.
Speaker 2: We got the nice tea up Kai.
Speaker 5: Oh sorry I put him in that order, Jack Mercy,
Speaker 5: I'm just twisting the knife for Buffalo.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, guys, but boys down in Texas actually driving
Speaker 3: to a rodeo, appreciate you all. The y'all show passing
Speaker 3: my time in the truck and getting horses ready on
Speaker 3: a daily basis.
Speaker 2: It's awesome to listen to I.
Speaker 3: Hear everyone just guys throwing. Another option is like having
Speaker 3: guys like at the NFR, which is the National Finals
Speaker 3: rodeo on the pod. Got like guys like Cody Ole
Speaker 3: who he needed, he needed a good run to win
Speaker 3: the world title. Goes take four, break the world record
Speaker 3: fastest tied out opening ever that happened. When's the world title?
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many stories in the NFR and
Speaker 3: Rodeo that you could uh that you could come up
Speaker 3: with names fo so many big times where guys stepped
Speaker 3: up and did their things. So I think that's another
Speaker 3: option to go uh and branch out and see more athletes. Man,
Speaker 3: I appreciate the show, guys, Thank.
Speaker 2: You Texas call.
Speaker 5: I love this.
Speaker 2: We got to get a rodeo.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember once Scott who was it, Scott Eastwood, we
Speaker 1: were talking about something.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, bro, you got to come out to
Speaker 2: the PVR. I'm like, what fock's pr is? Clint Eastwood? Sun?
Speaker 1: Yeah, some I guess he's a big rodeo guy. That's
Speaker 1: the that's the league name PBR.
Speaker 5: I believe Ribbon Yeah or.
Speaker 2: PBR.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He said other stuff I didn't understand, but I couldn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, we gotta definitely get it would be
Speaker 1: so cool to get a rodeo guy in here.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll watch it here and there on like
Speaker 2: some of the sport networks.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I watched Yellows. I mean on Yellowstone. They
Speaker 5: show a little they got you know, they're doing a
Speaker 5: little bit of that.
Speaker 1: Those those guys are nuts, certifiable, real men, tough guys.
Speaker 4: You know, we could go back to our origins where
Speaker 4: you get like the competitors and we get a guy
Speaker 4: in a bull.
Speaker 2: Would just sit a bull in here?
Speaker 5: Dude, how how long? How long do you think either
Speaker 5: you could realistically last on a bull. I'm not no
Speaker 5: mechanical joint.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, probably not long.
Speaker 4: I'm not getting on it in the first place.
Speaker 5: I'm probably not either. I'm I'm a post.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: You ever heard mutton busting yello?
Speaker 5: Yeah, mutton busting a little eyes on the little uh sheep.
Speaker 4: It's like bull riding for kids, except for they just
Speaker 4: grab on the sheep and they just see all them.
Speaker 5: They can hang on.
Speaker 4: I can try that, you'd be great.
Speaker 5: I literally just saw who was it?
Speaker 1: Recently? Someone jumped on a bull and like did some
Speaker 1: creat like bare backed it? It was some dude looked
Speaker 1: like he was hammered. Did you say that video? Didn't
Speaker 1: I send it to the group or something.
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't like, I don't know well you don't want, man,
Speaker 5: come on. I don't know if I remember that one,
Speaker 5: But did you see the one where the bull got
Speaker 5: out and was like out by the concession stand bucking
Speaker 5: dudes like and then they just kept going on with
Speaker 5: the rodeo. He got loose from the ring and was
Speaker 5: out by the concessions.
Speaker 1: Now they send a couple of dudes to the hospital
Speaker 1: when you when you buy a ticket to one of those,
Speaker 1: I bet you it's in the small print. You get
Speaker 1: bucked by a bull at the concessions.
Speaker 5: I will not sue. I will get you're good, Yeah,
Speaker 5: freak out with each goring. I would I would say
Speaker 5: I would like to go to a rodeo and and
Speaker 5: maybe steal a little rodeo valor get the belt buckle
Speaker 5: out o nice bill, twelve gallon hat.
Speaker 2: I would love to go to.
Speaker 1: We gotta we should do like a We should go
Speaker 1: to a rodeo. You got to experience it before I
Speaker 1: bring a guy on. Yes, yes, rodeo guy.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 1: I mean this guy's dropping names. The guy broke a
Speaker 1: world record. I can't have this guy on without experience, right.
Speaker 2: We gotta see it.
Speaker 5: I've never been to one in person, have you guys.
Speaker 2: I've been to something.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, there used to be a
Speaker 1: Fourth of July rodeo in Woodside, California. I think I
Speaker 1: went to that once. There's like a little horse community
Speaker 1: up up tight. Not like I'm not like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we gotta.
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe take friend of the show, Dola, even Dola,
Speaker 5: maybe show us around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: I think Dola has like three or four friends that
Speaker 1: just like are in rodeos.
Speaker 5: Maybe that's yeah, Scott Eastwood, we love you, but maybe
Speaker 5: the looking or our friend here, dude, we like this guy.
Speaker 1: He's just about to load some horses, listening to Games
Speaker 1: with Names, listening to Jack Glaze up some horses right now.
Speaker 4: We had a post guest segment at one point that
Speaker 4: was going to be the coolest horse names for the
Speaker 4: Kentucky Derby. I think I got cut.
Speaker 5: Oh that was a good one.
Speaker 4: I have to wait till next.
Speaker 5: Oh man, I do like that. I like I like it,
Speaker 5: like romanticizing this guy's life of like the sun sitting
Speaker 5: out in Texas and he's loading up the trailer and
Speaker 5: Games with Names is cranked up on the Big fourd
Speaker 5: F three point fifty.
Speaker 2: This duly.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 5: That's a cool life.
Speaker 8: And as he goes to press play on the old
Speaker 8: tape set, he reaches in his back pocket, pulls out
Speaker 8: a little as we like to call it, God's dirt.
Speaker 8: That's right to ride it in his lip gets home
Speaker 8: with this day one listens to games with names in
Speaker 8: the background.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, boys, this week they got bears are cow boys?
Speaker 5: Hear that new one? But that says Marilla.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why. Anytime I drink everyone thinks
Speaker 2: I'm from Texas?
Speaker 5: Did they really?
Speaker 4: I just got a little pop eye, a little bit of.
Speaker 5: See on the dusty trail, No Francisco area.
Speaker 2: Where are you from, Texas? I hear to the Colm Valley. Yeah,
Speaker 2: little place where the horses go wild.
Speaker 1: It's a place called Mountain View, right next to Hewlett Packer.
Speaker 4: Last one's tools shown here.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'll be at the live broadcasts and of games
Speaker 3: with names at the end of August and Boston.
Speaker 1: I have a proposition for you.
Speaker 4: You get the legendary Randy moss on.
Speaker 3: Before then I will come on, say agent, let you
Speaker 3: punched me in the stage.
Speaker 7: I would love to hear which to thank thanks.
Speaker 1: Rules I don't know if I can get that done,
Speaker 1: this proposition, this is yeah, dude, I'll let you punch
Speaker 1: me in the face.
Speaker 5: In front of the entire Wilbur crowd, a sold out
Speaker 5: Wilbur just committing assault.
Speaker 4: He'll sign a release.
Speaker 5: You think we give him headgear? No headgear.
Speaker 2: I don't want to break my hand. No.
Speaker 4: I think Jack has to punch him.
Speaker 5: Twelve em one or two boxing classes with jewels down
Speaker 5: in Santa Monica. I could, I could throw a little
Speaker 5: weight into it.
Speaker 2: I still need a lot more.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I do like the tone of this
Speaker 5: guy of Sean was very ominous. I'll be at the
Speaker 5: live show in Boston like it was ominous and a
Speaker 5: little threatening. I kind of like it. A little joker is.
Speaker 3: What if?
Speaker 5: But what if we don't get Randy anything?
Speaker 2: We didn't really tell them we don't get Randy. I
Speaker 2: guess it just makes the show worse.
Speaker 4: Our producer Leah was getting buddy buddy with Randy's wife
Speaker 4: at the celebration.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, for us to get Randy, we have
Speaker 1: to because he only travels just to do probably the show.
Speaker 2: I think he's on, you know the end. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I think Randy literally just fishes all day.
Speaker 1: So we have to do games with names on like
Speaker 1: a fishing boat, and I'm talking like lake fishing, so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very tight.
Speaker 4: I'm done for that. We'll get practice when we do
Speaker 4: Bill in Nantucket on a fishing boat?
Speaker 1: Are we doing Bill in Nantucket in the fishing boat?
Speaker 4: And we're gonna try.
Speaker 2: Anywhere.
Speaker 1: Every time I ask Bill, you know, he just keeps
Speaker 1: on giving me some I'm like, he keeps on asking
Speaker 1: how much money? Yeah, I go, Bill, this isn't how
Speaker 1: podcasting works. It's literally like friendy friend.
Speaker 5: All right, Johnny Manziel doing the freaking He's.
Speaker 1: Giving me money signs like john Johnny Manziel, Like, Bill,
Speaker 1: you think he'd just beat all the all the years
Speaker 1: that I took those shitty fucking contracts where you bullied
Speaker 1: me into taking. How about you take that money and
Speaker 1: just keep it in your head and say, oh, this
Speaker 1: is what I'm going on to games and names for.
Speaker 5: We offer prove it deals over here.
Speaker 2: How about that? Yeah, we offer proof this is a
Speaker 2: proven deal.
Speaker 4: Minimum.
Speaker 2: You're getting a league minimum thirteen.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: But I tell Bill all the time, like he's like,
Speaker 1: are we good now? I'm like when have we ever
Speaker 1: been bad? And as I'm walking away, I go, Bill,
Speaker 1: you can't pick your family.
Speaker 2: You can't pick your family. He's just like, oh my god.
Speaker 5: They speaking of Randy. Did you guys get to share
Speaker 5: an embrace at the at the Brady Night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were. We went pre pre stage.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 1: We were just talking about what we were he was.
Speaker 1: We were all just talking about like what we would
Speaker 1: probably get into. I love that we took a picture.
Speaker 5: I almost cried when they gave Randy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I mean it's deserved.
Speaker 1: It's all time great, not just for the Patriots, for
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, wrap this up, we'll clip this put
Speaker 4: on social media. Everyone tag Randy Moss. We'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone's gonna tag Randy straight cash straight, tag homieg homie. Well,
Speaker 1: what a game, what a what an episode? Thanks again
Speaker 1: to Bears. That's been another episode of Games with Names.
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